[00:07] <lapidary> tomreyn, thanks I was using screen to connect to it; I just wanted the desktop to ignore it as a "modem"
[00:07] <stevendale> Hey
[00:08] <tomreyn> lapidary: oh the desktop shows it as such, i see. hmm i'm not sure how to do this. maybe you could train network-manager to ignore the device, or udev to not treat it as a modem.
[00:08] <tomreyn> hi stevendale
[00:08] <stevendale> Modem? What is this? 2004?
[00:09] <tomreyn> stevendale: a lot of things still support AT commands. but that's not the topic of this channel - got an ubuntu support question?
[00:10] <stevendale> tomreyn: Just here to help
[00:10] <lapidary> tomreyn, thanks I'll do some looking :-)
[00:11] <tomreyn> stevendale: good, then i'll head to bed. ;-)
[00:11] <tomreyn> good luck lapidary
[00:11] <stevendale> Have a good night tomreyn
[00:11] <cryptorfrankenst> halp plz. I'm boot looping. It also looks like that user has been ecryptfs-ed which  I don't recall doing
[00:12] <stevendale> cryptorfrankenst: GRUB Menu and go into recovery mode, IIRC it's against channel guidelines to help people get into recovery
[00:13] <cryptorfrankenst> I've got root account access, but if it's against the rules ok
[00:15] <cryptorfrankenst> has ecryptfs ever been used as ransomware?
[00:16] <tomreyn> i don't think there's such a policy.
[00:17] <tomreyn> and i've only read about truecrypt / veracrypt being used for ransomware on linux
[00:18] <tomreyn> + custom aes encryption
[00:18] <cryptorfrankenst> machine was mostly airgapped except for adding packages and updates
[00:19] <cryptorfrankenst> tried all sorts of passwords. one blackscreens as if logging in then dumpsd me at the login screen again
[00:20] <kolaman> I'm moving from mac to Ubuntu and started to like this (being a linux system admin)
[00:20] <kolaman> Want to migrate  my skype history to Ubuntu but not sure where is that on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[00:20] <cryptorfrankenst> Ctrl Alt F1 login says last login was ddmmyy etc. further down mentions keyring error
[00:23] <tomreyn> cryptorfrankenst: and this keyring error makes you think the system was ransomware encrypted?
[00:24] <cryptorfrankenst> not recalling enabling encryption is concerning me
[00:24] <tomreyn> kolaman: probably somewhere in ~/.skype* or ~/.config/skype*
[00:24] <cryptorfrankenst> not sure if the bootloop is related
[00:26] <tomreyn> cryptorfrankenst: boot it from a live usb and inspect the file system.
[00:26] <tomreyn> but i would guess it's probably just PPA getting in the way or similar.
[00:26] <tomreyn> * a
[00:27] <kolaman> tomreyn: actually can't find that on these locations :(
[00:28] <pragmaticenigma> kolaman: how did you install skype? can you point us to any documentation/instructions that you used?
[00:29] <kolaman> used ubuntu software manager
[00:29] <kolaman> pragmaticenigma:
[00:29] <cryptorfrankenst> I can get to the looping account home via root account login. It shows Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop in it's home folder
[00:29] <cryptorfrankenst> which seems to be related to ecryptfs
[00:30] <pragmaticenigma> kolaman: have you launched skype yet?
[00:31] <tomreyn> cryptorfrankenst: yes that's what it sounds like
[00:31] <kolaman> yes, I've launched and using that on ubuntu but want to transfer main.db from my mac machine
[00:31] <tomreyn> there's the ecryptfs-recover-private command
[00:32] <cryptorfrankenst> yeah I've tried some stackexchange / askubuntu / manual stuff
[00:33] <cryptorfrankenst> error on passphrase attempts
[00:33] <kolaman> pragmaticenigma:
[00:36] <pragmaticenigma> kolaman: try this: find ./ -type d -iname '*skype*'
[00:38] <kolaman> pragmaticenigma: got this
[00:38] <kolaman> ./snap/skype                 ./snap/skype/common/.config/skypeforlinux                              ./snap/skype/common/.config/skypeforlinux/SkypeRT
[00:39] <pragmaticenigma> kolaman: that was run within your home directory?
[00:39] <kolaman> yes
[00:39] <kolaman> pragmaticenigma:
[00:40] <rypervenche> cryptorfrankenst: I've done this before for someone. There's a manual way to do it, although I'd have to google again how to do it. You have to kind of decrypt the key first and then use it to unlock and mount the file system to /tmp
[00:40] <pragmaticenigma> kolaman: from what tomreyn had previously stated, look in those folders for your main.db file ... do take care to back up any file before you replace them with the copies from your Mac.
[00:41] <kolaman> pragmaticenigma: actually under /home/n00b/snap/skype/common/.config/skypeforlinux            I can see there is databases.db and databases.db-journal
[00:41] <kolaman> but under this folder can find any main.db
[00:41] <kolaman> can't*
[00:41] <cryptorfrankenst> rypervenche I saw something like this but it was beyond me
[00:42] <cryptorfrankenst> will check my tabs / history
[00:42] <tomreyn> it's also entirely possible that these softwares aren't actually compatible, completely separate softwares.
[00:44] <pragmaticenigma> kolaman: like tomreyn mentions, it's possible that the Linux version of skype isn't compatible with the files from the other versions (Mac/Windows)
[00:44] <tomreyn> this is an old post, but may cmpletement the man page http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/04/introducing-ecryptfs-recover-private.html
[00:44] <tomreyn> ^ cryptorfrankenst
[00:45] <cryptorfrankenst> thanks tomreyn
[00:45] <kolaman> pragmaticenigma: tomreyn thanks, but I'd like 6+ years of skype history and don't want to loose that :(
[00:46] <tomreyn> cryptorfrankenst: maybe this helps, too https://askubuntu.com/questions/1035424/ubuntu-18-04-mount-encrypted-disk?noredirect=1&lq=1
[00:46] <tomreyn> kolaman: understandable, good luck then!
[00:46] <pragmaticenigma> kolaman: Unfortunately that isn't something that there is a solution for. You won't lose it since you backed it up. Some careful research online will probably yield a solution
[01:18] <newber> Hello everyone. I'm new to Gnome desktop and would like to know how I can have different settings for the primary buttons on my input devices; I want my notebook's trackpad to be set up for right hand use and my trackball mouse for left hand use. I only see a single option in Settings/Devices/Mouse & Touchpad and it affects both devices.
[01:19] <newber> I come from XFCE where every pointing devices has it's own settings and it was very easy to do this there but I have not found much online about this for Gnome.
[01:19] <newber> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[01:27] <Kyros> you can attempt to use xinput but its pretty much the most worthless thing ever invented
[01:34] <pragmaticenigma> newber: If you remember the application that you used in XFCE, you can probably install it under Gnome-Desktop to achieve the same effect.
[01:44] <newber> pragmaticenigma, it was part of the XFCE settings.
[01:46] <newber> Kyros, Haha. Worthless in what way? Would it get the job done? I'm quite shocked that Gnome doesn't do this out of the box. Seems rather basic. And people tend to make fun of XFCE for being lightweight...
[01:46] <pragmaticenigma> newber: It's been awhile since I've used Xubuntu/XFCE, however, if I remember correctly XFCE settings where just a collection of tools inside a wrapper. (That's most of how settings works in Gnome-Desktop)... I'd recommend tracking it down.
[01:47] <pragmaticenigma> xinput is part of the x11 server, it's not worthless per-se as anything that sets those settings is leveraging the same backends. It's more that it is very complicated to work with, which is why GUI's make the interfacing easier
[01:47] <newber> pragmaticenigma, you could be right, even though since 4.12, they seemed to integrate together so nicely.
[01:48] <newber> pragmaticenigma, Ah, I see. Thanks.
[01:50] <pragmaticenigma> newber: This might be worth a read: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multi-pointer_X
[01:50] <pragmaticenigma> newber: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MouseCustomizations
[01:50] <pragmaticenigma> newber: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/MPX
[01:51] <Kyros> its not even complicated to use it just doesnt support anything useful
[01:52] <newber> Btw, this is how the XFCE one looks. Easily to enable or disable any device from drop down menu and have separate settings for each. In my case, my screen has a wacom tablet feature built in which gets whacky sometimes and likes to move the mouse around, so it was nice to just kill it from there as needed.
[01:52] <newber> https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/mouse
[01:54] <k_sze[work]> While running `apt full-upgrade`, I get a TUI telling me "you will need a way to toggle the keyboard between the national layout and the standard Latin layout."
[01:54] <k_sze[work]> What's that about?
[01:55] <k_sze[work]> I think it's part of the "keyboard-configuration" package.
[01:57] <k_sze[work]> But I don't understand what that is for, really. I don't remember ever getting asked that question before, not even during the initial installation of the Ubuntu OS (18.04).
[02:37] <scaba> i hope ubuntu 19.04 has the peepers xscreensaver
[02:38] <drewbert> scaba: at least it has the best name of any distro yet
[02:38] <scaba> :D
[02:38] <scaba> disco dingo
[02:41] <phiona> today libre office has an update. i want to replace it with another office suite.  should i install the updates first and then remove?
[02:44] <pi0> is there a ubuntu app to convert png to ansi art
[02:45] <scaba> i think there is
[02:45] <scaba> i forget what its called install synaptic and search for it
[02:48] <atheodo> hi
[02:52] <phiona> today libre office has an update. i want to replace it with another office suite.  should i install the updates first and then remove?
[02:53] <krytarik> phiona: No, that's not necessary.
[02:57] <phiona> krytarik: ok. tnx.
[03:02] <kadiro> pi0, there is caca and jp2a
[03:05] <pi0> hmm
[03:07] <kadiro> pi0, http://mewbies.com/acute_terminal_fun_03_create_ascii_art_and_ansi_on_the_terminal.htm
[03:08] <scaba> you can do the matrix and an ascii aquarium in terminal too
[03:08] <scaba> i like ascii aquarium
[03:15] <pi0> thank you
[03:16] <pi0> tooo cool
[03:16] <pi0> what about for ansi prompts
[03:21] <qwebirc60046> Hi team
[03:22] <qwebirc60046> i have 1 support question on ubuntu mate...  What format do i use for microsdcx?
[03:23] <qwebirc60046> advance HUMBLE APPRECIATION
[03:26] <atheodo> hi, dell lattitude e7450 should be ok for linux right?
[03:26] <atheodo> found a good price on amazon and about to get it
[03:30] <kadiro> atheodo, https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201408-15385/
[03:31] <atheodo> thank you kadiro, it is certified
[03:32] <atheodo> I snatched :-)
[03:32] <atheodo> is there a hexchat channel?
[03:32] <kadiro> atheodo, no problem but read that link carefully
[03:32] <atheodo> or do we get support for hexchat here?
[03:32] <atheodo> it was for 14.x
[03:33] <atheodo> i found another article from a person who they just installed 18.x lts
[03:33] <kadiro> atheodo, I don't know if there is a channel for hexchat but you can ask
[03:33] <atheodo> and it went through without a hitch
[03:33] <atheodo> thank you, how do I open a private chat window?
[03:33] <atheodo> i know to do '/msg xxxxx'
[03:33] <atheodo> but on the mac side that opened a new window
[03:34] <atheodo> here it stays on the channel window
[03:34] <kadiro> I think by right clicking on the name you choose
[03:34] <kadiro> you will get a context menu
[03:35] <atheodo> i ditched the mac
[03:35] <atheodo> i cannot fathom paying crazy prices anymore,
[03:35] <atheodo> played around with a raspberrypi last week
[03:35] <atheodo> very impressive, so got my desktop going
[03:35] <kadiro> cool
[03:36] <atheodo> i got a couple of optiplex 990s for almost nothing
[03:37] <atheodo> so i will do a file server (samba) on one
[03:37] <atheodo> and a mysql on the other, which runs from raspberrypi right now lol
[03:37] <atheodo> and ordered parts to built an amd ryzen based ubuntu desktop this weekend
[03:37] <atheodo> and got the dell
[03:37] <atheodo> all and all $1200
[03:37] <kadiro> sound nice price
[03:37] <atheodo> compared to close to $5K that apple wanted for similar set up
[03:38] <swift110> sup folks
[03:38] <atheodo> I just could not do it
[03:38] <kadiro> hi swift110
[03:38] <atheodo> talking from the optiplex 990 right now
[03:38] <swift110> how are you kadiro
[03:38] <swift110> cool atheodo
[03:38] <kadiro> swift110, I'm good thanks how about you
[03:38] <swift110> im good kadiro what are you up to
[03:39] <krytarik> Let's not get too much off topice please.
[03:39] <kadiro> swift110, i was trying to fix lirc remote and finally it worked
[03:39] <swift110> oh of course my apologies
[03:41] <qwebirc60046> (athedo) you mentioned working with raspberry pi. was that with UBUNTU MATE?  IF SO, what format is for microsdxc/ubuntu mate? fat32?
[03:46] <kadiro> qwebirc60046, ubuntu on a fat system sound like a bad idea
[03:47] <kungr> Instead of using cloning software. Can I use a bootable ubnutu install, and DD a HDD (win10) to a new SSD?
[03:48] <atheodo> i used etcher
[03:48] <atheodo> it was fat 32
[03:49] <qwebirc60046> THX ATHEODO
[03:49] <atheodo> ubuntu is too much for the raspeberrypi
[03:49] <atheodo> so went back to raspian
[03:49] <atheodo> that it can handle
[03:49] <atheodo> used it to install a test mysql server
[03:49] <qwebirc60046> 3B+EVEN RASP B+  MATE?
[03:49] <scaba> kungr i think i did that before and it worked i dd an image file of a hard drive to a hard drive
[03:49] <atheodo> yes it was the latest
[03:50] <atheodo> to get mysql on this machine now with ubuntu 18 lts
[03:50] <atheodo> do i do apt-get install mysql server
[03:50] <atheodo> and then run mysql secure administration to finish the set up?
[03:50] <qwebirc60046> WITH raspbian you only have 1 browser.  i want firefox
[03:50] <qwebirc60046> hence ubuntu mate
[03:50] <scaba> kungr took like 2 days though
[03:51] <atheodo> i want also install appache
[03:51] <atheodo> so i can run phpmyadmin
[03:51] <atheodo> which i really love for interacting with mysql
[03:51] <atheodo> it's just the best
[03:53] <kriston> Are WebUpd8 PPAs still alive? Who can I contact to get the Oracle Java8 PPA updated (because Oracle changed the download location with the new version of Java today)?
[03:56] <guiverc> kriston, the first P in ppa = personal, if you look up the front page it'll have details for the person (or team) - they are not supported by Ubuntu/Canonical - they are 3rd party (hence personal package archive)
[03:56] <kriston> guiverc: Of course I know that. I'm looking for any news anyone may have heard.
[03:57] <kungr> thanks scaba
[03:57] <guiverc> https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/java is front page & has detail of contact (last update 2019-01-17 with name clearly visible)
[03:58] <kriston> That wasn't my question.  Thanks anyway,.
[03:58] <guiverc> admin@webupd8.org is email from that page
[03:59] <scaba> yw kungr
[03:59] <kriston> Don't know why I bother with IRC anymore.
[04:13] <crankenstien> hi im a newbie to ubuntu and need to know how to install apps from tz files
[04:15] <crankenstien> need was tar.xz files
[04:15] <mouses> crankenstien: Need more information - what's the program name you are trying to install?
[04:16] <guiverc> crankenstien, 'tz' files are tarballs usually; a compressed file that usally contains source that you ./configure, make, make install but you should follow the README or instructions created by the author
[04:18] <crankenstien> tar.xz was needed i made a typo
[04:18] <guiverc> tar is short for tarball; the code after it tells you how it was compressed (eg. gz = gzip, bz=bzip ..)
[04:21] <jcb2016> hi all. if i download ubuntu to a usb/live will it have the drivers for whatevver laptop i want to try it on ie wifi
[04:23] <guiverc> jcb2016, for better makes of components providing the Ubuntu release is newer than the components (+ time to design & manufacture) pretty good, for cheaper gear the lag is longer.. so depends (enterprise grade usually is better, and later releases...)
[04:23] <crankenstien> guiverc how do you open compressed files
[04:24] <guiverc> crankenstien, if using a gui; your should be able to click on it & tell it to expand using your default file manager (thunar, pcmanfm-qt etc) - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[04:25] <scaba> jcb2016 you can go into the live usb environment and if everything works then youre good but it usually works
[04:25] <jcb2016> ok thansk saba and guiverc
[04:25] <scaba> not always though
[04:29] <jcb2016> saba, or guiverc whats a good live/usb image i can download and try ubuntu? is 18.0.4 fine or is there another one
[04:29] <gimmel> Anyone able to tell me how to script an ssh key passphrase? I have a script that connects to an SSH server, and it works just fine provided the passphrase for the key has been entered recently. But when I run it through cron, it needs the passphrase entered.
[04:30] <guiverc> jcb2016, Ubuntu releases are yy.mm so 18.04 is 2018.April release, and being a LTS it comes with 5 years so yes.  18.04.2 is the latest and has HWE kernel so is better for newer hardware
[04:30] <guiverc> 5 years of support  ^
[04:31] <jcb2016> thanks all
[05:09] <Guest48> I'm having an issue where /var/lib/php5 has a ton of files I can't delete even though I have sudo
[05:10] <Guest48> I've tried changing permissions, renaming, moving ect but still getting access denied when using sudo
[05:28] <guiverc> Guest48, is it a local file-system, or hosted elsewhere (the host may have restricted permissions beyond what your see; esp. if simfs etc)
[05:29] <Guest48> local filesystem it's a AWS ubuntu image /dev/xvda1 is showing 100% inode usage which I've narrowed down to the php5 folder
[05:35] <ghostnik11> hi I have a huge problem I was trying to edit my router by logging into it and change some settings and I accidentally kicked out my ethernet cord and now I can't get connected, icon showing the wired connection, it just keeps saying connecting. how can I fix it to show laptop that my cord is plugged in
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> ghostnik11: cant you access your router admin page?
[05:37] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje, it won't let me. because the symbol keeps saying connecting
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> ghostnik11: is your network card driver installed correctly?
[05:38] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje: yes it was just working my foot just touched the ethernet cord and all of a sudden it was yanked out of my laptop
[05:39] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje I set it to automatic but if I set a static iP it shows connected
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> ghostnik11: did you try a reboot yet?
[05:40] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje but when I sent manual static iP then put in http://192.168.88.1 it doesn't give me the router log in page
[05:40] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje tried to reboot 3 times now
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> ghostnik11: do you have wifi too?
[05:41] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje that's what I was trying to fix and I broke the WiFi by accident!! so while I was trying to fix the WiFi part of router is when I the cord got yanked out by accident
[05:41] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje becuase wifi is broke, I don't see the ap
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> ghostnik11: pastebin: sudo lshw -C network && uname -a && lsb_release -a please
[05:42] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje I am talking to you through my cell phone
[05:43] <ghostnik11> so I will try to copy it's read out then Bluetooth to phone and then try to send it lotuspsychje
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> ghostnik11: you can also just write it, what i need is the driver= & chipset names from both your wifi and network card
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> ghostnik11: and your ubuntu version & kernel version
[05:47] <jcb2016> hello im running ubuntu from a alive/usb and it didn't detect my wifi driver any ideas?
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> jcb2016: wich chipset and wich ubuntu version please?
[05:49] <jcb2016> lotuspsychje, 14.02 and bcm43142
[05:49] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje, okay so I am using Linux mint 18 which is based off of Ubuntu, with kernel 4.4.0-89-generic. driver = e1000e driverversion=3.2.6-k, wireless driver = iwlwifi driverversion=4.4.0-89-generic
[05:49] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje please don't kill me
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> ghostnik11: sorry we dont support mint here
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> jcb2016: 14.04 will soon be end of life, try installing a version from the topic 16.04 or 18.04
[05:50] <jcb2016> sorry lotuspsychje im running 18.04
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> jcb2016: install ubuntu without internet & updates during setup, then after your installation, you can install the broadcom drivers from your usb install medium in /pool
[05:53] <jcb2016> thanks
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> !broadcom | jcb2016 see the 'no internet STA'
[06:13] <frisc0sen> hello, i am looking for some advice/help
[06:13] <frisc0sen> currently i am wondering why my ubuntu installation on my laptop is that slow. especially on startup.
[06:13] <frisc0sen> i red into some forum posts and checked several things like RAM recognition
[06:14] <frisc0sen> now that i used fdisk -l , i see that there are many drives like /dev/loop2 counting up to 33. what is this?
[06:14] <frisc0sen> i am on 18.10
[06:23] <Guest69284> Ylmf_os_3.0 如何安装微信
[06:42] <janusss> You better speak English here
[07:01] <snadge> i have the unfortunate need to run 16.04 .. and it doesn't support Unicode 11.0 or Emoji 11.0 .. which is a massive crisis for me
[07:01] <snadge> i've tried installing fonts-emojione-svginot from eosrei/fonts ppa .. but this doesn't help :(
[07:02] <janusss> You can't upgrade it to 1804?
[07:02] <snadge> i cant see 🥰 ..
[07:02] <snadge> and no i cannot.. business requirement :(  (not certified yet)
[07:02] <janusss> That sucks...
[07:02] <snadge> isn't it simply just a font ? or is it an actual system library and im boned?
[07:04] <guardianx> o_o
[07:05] <snadge> this is an absolute world ending crisis .. :P
[07:10] <snadge> upon further investigation.. its both the font and pango that needs to be updated?
[07:10] <snadge> 18.04 comes with the noto font from google.. but 16.04 does not
[07:12] <snadge> im surprised and disappointed that pango isn't part of the hwe enablement stack
[07:15] <ducasse> snadge: simply because pango is not needed for newer hardware support
[07:15] <ducasse> it's not very surprising
[07:16] <snadge> its needed for new emojis though
[07:16] <snadge> which is absolutely critical.. fatal even.. imagine not being able to communicate because you cant see a symbol.. this is a very grave situation
[07:16] <snadge> even windows 7 supports it
[07:17] <snadge> and its so far past end of life, you should be executed for even thinking about using it
[07:20] <ducasse> use words.
[07:21] <snadge> fedora 29 is a supported business environment.. which makes me sad
[07:21] <snadge> numerous folks have complained on the available forums about the lack of 18.04 support within the company.. and we're still waiting
[07:26] <jojero> Hi!
[07:26] <jojero> Anyone can help me install powerline-status?
[07:31] <janusss> Terminal/Konsole "sudo apt-get install poewrline-status"
[07:33] <jojero> I use that how to make it work? I restart pc and its still the same :9
[07:33] <jojero> :( *
[07:35] <janusss> sorry,  I miss spelled it
[07:36] <janusss> https://powerline.readthedocs.io/en/master/installation.html
[07:36] <janusss> pip install powerline-status
[07:36] <janusss> "is useful, but note that in this case pip will not install powerline executable and something like
[07:36] <janusss> ln -s {path_to_powerline}/scripts/powerline ~/.local/bin"
[07:53] <stagma> hey guys
[07:56] <knoppix> hi
[07:57] <knoppix> hello
[07:57] <EriC^^> hi
[07:57] <knoppix> deutsch
[07:58] <EriC^^> !de | knoppix
[07:58] <knoppix> alles klar
[07:58] <knoppix> bb
[08:18] <qwebirc28720> Yo, quick question
[08:19] <qwebirc28720> So I have a network drived mounted via samba. I can view it with nautilus and whatnot
[08:19] <qwebirc28720> However, I cannot save/open files from the network drive as the system's open file dialog that various apps use do not show mounted drives
[08:20] <qwebirc28720> I noticed that the mounted folder is in /run/user/1000/gkfs/
[08:20] <qwebirc28720> Is there any way I can open/save files to the network drive via the file dialog?
[08:20] <qwebirc28720> For context, I'm trying to open a git repository on my network drive with gitkraken.
[08:21] <rory> Assuming there's no way to add custom locations to the file open dialogue, you could create a symbolic link to the /run/user/1000/gkfs directory somewhere easily accessible like your home directory
[08:21] <rory> run this from your home dir: "ln -s /run/user/1000/gkfs"
[08:21] <qwebirc28720> here's the issue though, gitkraken doesn't have permission to access that directory
[08:21] <rory> That would create a directory called gkfs in your home dir which points to that location
[08:21] <qwebirc28720> so it would error if I clicked the symbolic link?
[08:22] <rory> oh ok well that's a separate issue, there should be an option to mount read-write with Samba
[08:22] <qwebirc28720> I'm not running gitkraken as root
[08:22] <qwebirc28720> aka the app has no access to /run/
[08:22] <rory> can you, as your user, create and delete files in there? or is it just gitkraken?
[08:22] <qwebirc28720> Lemme check
[08:22] <qwebirc28720> just a sec
[08:23] <qwebirc28720> Yes, I can.
[08:23] <qwebirc28720> However gitkraken (the app) does not have access
[08:23] <qwebirc28720> it just says permission denied
[08:25] <qwebirc28720> oh heck
[08:25] <qwebirc28720> it worked
[08:25] <qwebirc28720> :D
[08:26] <qwebirc28720> @rory Ty
[08:26] <rory> haha I'm not sure what I did, but I'll take it :) You're welcome.
[08:27] <qwebirc28720> Never thought to just use a symbolic link
[08:27] <qwebirc28720> It lets me access the files via the symbolic link
[08:27] <qwebirc28720> but I can't directly go to the folder
[08:27] <qwebirc28720> from fs root
[08:27] <qwebirc28720> weird...
[08:27] <rory> There might be a proper way to add the directory to the file open dialogue. Maybe some Ubuntu expert will know.
[08:27] <qwebirc28720> I spent like 3 hours looking into it, the official answer is "you can't."
[08:27] <rory> you would be able to type in the full path into the filename dialogue on that box and it woould browse to there
[08:28] <rory> symlink is just a kind of hack
[08:28] <rory> just remember it's there, and don't rm -rf your home directory or it might traverse the mount and delete everything on the samba share.
[08:29] <qwebirc28720> If I deleted the symlink, would it delete the folder it links to?
[08:29] <qwebirc28720> *delete
[08:31] <qwebirc28720> Ok yeah the symlink doesn't work actually
[08:31] <qwebirc28720> just tried opening the repo there, gitkraken just gets booted
[08:31] <qwebirc28720> the official answer from what I've seen is "You can't"
[08:31] <qwebirc28720> aka apps can't access network drives
[08:33] <rory> sure they can
[08:33] <rory> surely the app doesn't know if a particular file is "really" a network drive
[08:33] <rory> That is all abstracted away by the filesystem. This is my assumption though. Maybe Samba is different from e.g. mounting using a FUSE filesystem
[08:35] <qwebirc28720> @rory I'm just tryna mount my NAS (Hard drive plugged into my router via USB). It has all of my repos on it. I'm then trying to connect to the repo with my gitkraken client.
[08:35] <qwebirc28720> Problem is, the open file dialog doesn't like network paths
[08:35] <qwebirc28720> if I ctrl L and manually type in the smb://Server/Folder, the file dialog just closes
[08:36] <qwebirc28720> The reason I have to use gitkraken in linux is due to the windows issue of long filenames
[08:38] <zprd> hi all
[08:39] <rory> ah yeah I doubt you'd be able to pass in smb:// URL as that's not a standard file path. nautilus happens to understand it, and knows where to take you
[08:39] <rory> but in the generic case you would need to access that path you mentioned, /run/whatever
[08:40] <zprd> on bionic, run the update, openjfx is installed but /usr/share/java/openjfx/jre/lib/ext/jfxrt.jar is no more?
[08:40] <zprd> bionic 18.04.2
[08:40] <zprd> any hint?
[08:41] <qwebirc28720> What's the easiest way to mount my NAS and give apps access to it
[08:41] <qwebirc28720> I've been at this problem for like 5 hours lol
[08:41] <zprd> qwebirc28720: you can mount using cifs
[08:42] <zprd> then  set permissions and mount point
[08:42] <rory> qwebirc28720: check here https://askubuntu.com/a/33565/62969
[08:42] <qwebirc28720> Yeah I've been trying cifs, but the same issue occurs - Cannot access network drive from open file
[08:42] <rory> qwebirc28720: you will never be able to enter smb://whatever into file-open dialogue and have it work
[08:42] <qwebirc28720> It's not even smb://, it's that the mount does not show up on the open file window
[08:42] <rory> qwebirc28720: but you CAN use cifs to mount your Samba share to a custom, easily accessible location
[08:43] <qwebirc28720> And I can't nabigate the filesystem root because the app isn't running with elevated privelages
[08:43] <rory> Oh hmm, but it DOES show in the output of "mount -a" command?
[08:43] <rory> ensure it's mounted with ,rw,user,noauto options as per that askubuntu response.
[08:44] <qwebirc28720> lemme try mounting in media
[08:46] <qwebirc28720> ... so I made the folder in media
[08:46] <qwebirc28720> but mount states that the folder doesn't exist
[08:46] <qwebirc28720> sudo mkdir /media/NetworkStorage
[08:47] <qwebirc28720> sudo mount -t cifs -o user=binarybyte,password=notsaying //10.0.0.1/Network_Storage/ /media/NetworkStorage
[08:47] <qwebirc28720> According to mount, /media/NetworkStorage is non existant
[08:47] <qwebirc28720> Yet it physically exists...
[08:50] <the_actor> hi
[08:52] <qwebirc28720> At this point I think I'm going to just go back to windows and deal with windows puking with git
[08:53] <qwebirc28720> Thank you all for the help though ;D
[08:56] <the_actor> bhxhxhxhchc
[08:56] <the_actor> chfjcjcjcjcjcjcjcj
[08:56] <ChunkzZ> !isitoutyet
[08:58] <the_actor> sorry guys my gf’s cat
[09:28] <drJekyll_> UPSTART: r there news when canonical is going to replace upstart by systemd?
[09:36] <drJekyll_> its been a while....2014....starting to sort out upstart with ubuntu14.10 (https://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316)
[09:42] <blackflow> drJekyll_: Ubuntu is systemd since 15.04. If you're still on 14.04, consider upgrade as it's going ESM (paid support only) this month.
[09:51] <drJekyll_> blackflow: , thx. i read it in the ubuntuWiki: https://pastebin.com/mRwp47Vv ....that it is not is finally removed from ubuntu.
[09:55] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:00] <blackflow> drJekyll_: 15.04 is no longer supported for years. There's no more upstart, but some services might still have sysvinit scripts that are wrapped around by systemd via generator, but this is coming from Debian which still considers itself supporting sysv.
[10:14] <zetheroo> We have SMB shares being accessed by Ubuntu users who are getting this kind of error from time to time: rsync: read errors mapping "/run/user/1902118137/gvfs/smb-share:server=tank,share=datadump/20180401/wrfout_d03_2018-04-02_010000": Invalid argument (22). The same data will be readable after restarting the script which is reading this data. But then some hours later the same failure error will occur.
[10:15] <drJekyll_> blackflow: got it. thx a lot. :)
[10:19] <blackflow> zetheroo: from what I read for "rsync invalid argument 22" on google, it appears rsync is trying an operation that's unsupported by the remote fs, like chown or something like that.
[10:21] <k_sze[work]> Odd, I can change my sound output device
[10:21] <k_sze[work]> I pick "Digital Output (S/PDIF) - FiiO USB Audio Class 2.0 DAC" in settings, close the window, and reopen it.
[10:21] <k_sze[work]> And it returns to "Speaker - Built-in Audio"
[10:22] <blackflow> !enter | k_sze[work]
[10:26] <zetheroo> blackflow: hmm .. ok
[10:31] <gtgtgt> I need a command to use all cores of my computer. Xubuntu 18.04
[10:36] <koalaaa> Hi all
[10:36] <deadman87> Hey
[10:37] <rory> hi gtgtgt - you are looking for "stress testing" software - the usual recommendation is "stress" or "stress-ng". Be careful with these because you can damage your hardware.
[10:38] <koalaaa> I downloaded a Ubuntu system from the Ubuntu website, on another computer.   But I have to manipulate the startup procedure, as it has a windows system, so I can boot into the linux system.  I'm not familiar with that process.  Is there an easier way of selecting which system you wanna boot into, at startup?
[10:39] <gtgtgt> rory: beginner here. Whats the point of having multiple cores, if I can only use one safely?
[10:39] <rory> gtgtgt: Linux automatically handles multiple cores for you
[10:39] <rory> gtgtgt: What is your overall question, that led you to ask about using all cores of the computer?
[10:40] <Jonopoly> Oh hello
[10:40] <Jonopoly> Has anyone used peppermint?
[10:40] <Jonopoly> using it for an old laptop
[10:41] <gtgtgt> rory: I am now editing a large pdf file into smaller chunks with pdfmod. With htop I see only one core is being used, the other 3 not. It is very loud (fan). I thought it would be a good idea to use all 4 cores to speed it up (each pdf page includes large graphics, it is slow)
[10:41] <rory> gtgtgt: If the application (pdfmod) is inherently single threaded, it will only consume one core
[10:41] <rory> gtgtgt: You could run 4 different pdfmod processes, so you could process 4 diffeent files in parallel
[10:42] <gtgtgt> rory: well, thats a workaround :D
[10:42] <rory> gtgtgt: but unless pdfmod program ittself, is written to make use of multiple cores, it won't automatically spread the load
[10:43] <gtgtgt> rory: and there is nothing I can do to use more cores, because that is dependant on each application
[10:43] <gtgtgt> of*
[10:43] <gtgtgt> of*
[10:43] <deadman87> That's correct.
[10:43] <gtgtgt> all right then... thanks a lot rory and deadman87
[10:43] <rory> you're welcome :)
[10:44] <deadman87> If you have multiple PDF files, you could start 4 processes. 1 for each file. Linux will automatically allocate each process to a core.
[10:44] <rory> also, arguably, using 25% load across 4 cores, will produce more heat than 100% load on 1 core. But I am not an electronic engineer.
[10:44] <deadman87> but you cant split 1 process to 4 cores if it isnt designed for it.
[10:45] <koalaaa> no help for my issue?
[10:47] <BluesKaj> koalaaa, run sudo update grub, then your OSs should  be listed
[10:48] <koalaaa> sudo update grub?  Is that to be downloaded from someplace?
[10:49] <rory> koalaaa: have you already installed ubuntu on the other computer?
[10:49] <BluesKaj> no it's the bootloader for ubuntu which will also find windows and list it
[10:49] <koalaaa> rory no, I installed it onto a thumb drive, and have it plugged into the windows system computer
[10:50] <BluesKaj> oh, sorry  koalaaa , thought you were talking about an existing installation
[10:51] <BluesKaj> on a permanent drive
[10:51] <koalaaa> no, the install is not in the computer itself, it's on that external thumb drive
[10:52] <BluesKaj> make sure you have usb boot enabled in the bios
[10:52] <koalaaa> BluesKaj see, I don't know how to do that stuff
[10:53] <rory> When you turn on the PC there will be an option to enter the BIOS/setup. It may say "press F2 to enter setup" or "press Enter" or anything
[10:53] <koalaaa> right
[10:53] <rory> There may also be an option like "Press F10 for boot menu"
[10:54] <rory> Anyway, the PC is currently booting from its main hard drive. So you need to instruct it to boot from the USb flash drive instead. Either permanently re-order the boot options in the BIOS, or use a temporary boot menu to choose the USB flash drive one time.
[10:54] <rory> I'm not being deliberately vague, it's just that it's so hardware dependent.
[10:54] <rory> also I have to leave now but you're in capable hands.
[10:54] <koalaaa> thanks rory
[10:55] <BluesKaj> and many bios uses different terms for the same meanings
[10:55] <BluesKaj> koalaaa, look for something like boot sequence
[10:56] <koalaaa> so the system on the usb won't show up, initially?
[10:57] <BluesKaj> koalaaa, not usually the pc usually is set to boot from the hard drive/ssd
[10:57] <BluesKaj> first
[10:57] <koalaaa> BluesKaj hmm ok, so how do I get to the USB?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> you need to doa s rory said above entering the BIOS  setup, then change the boot to usb enabled first or some such
[11:00] <koalaaa> BluesKaj that sounds a bit complicated.  Would I have been better to put the linux system onto the hard disk, and not the USB?  And is it possible to transfer it across now?
[11:04] <EriC^^> koalaaa: it's actually not complicated, which pc model is it?
[11:04] <koalaaa> It's an older Dell windows 7
[11:04] <BluesKaj> koalaaa, you always need live media to install another OS, so it's essential  to boot into the live mediabe it cds/dvd or usb, so you'll have to setup in the bios, unless you have a dvd drive that will usually boot first then you you'll have to burn the image to a dvd
[11:05] <koalaaa> which is not the one I'm on now
[11:07] <qwebirc92328> hello, how can I have the latest 18.10 Ubuntu in 32bits? is it possible?
[11:08] <koalaaa> maybe it would be better just to download another ubuntu onto the older dell, and leave it installed there
[11:08] <koalaaa> EriC^^
[11:09] <tomreyn> qwebirc92328: ubuntu !flavours other than the main one still support i386
[11:10] <guiverc> qwebirc92328, only Lubuntu & Xubuntu provided desktop ISO's for x86 in 18.10
[11:10] <tomreyn> qwebirc92328: oh wait, 18.10, i'm not certain there.
[11:10] <tomreyn> thanks guiverc
[11:11] <EriC^^> koalaaa: try starting the PC, press F12, when it gives you the boot menu, select the usb
[11:11] <EriC^^> it's that simple
[11:11] <koalaaa> EriC^^ ok I'll give it a go, thanks
[11:11] <qwebirc92328> ok thanx all i will watch those flavors
[11:12] <guiverc> qwebirc92328, you could do-release-upgrade other flavors (& Ubuntu) to 18.10 though; they stopped producing ISO's as few clean-install x86.  Also Lubuntu & Xubuntu stopped producing ISOs in dec-2018, so there won't be a 19.04 ISO in Lubuntu/Xubuntu (but you can still do-release-upgrade(
[11:12] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, good call,  I should have asked about his computer :-)
[11:13] <guiverc> stopped producing ISOs in x86 only; Lubuntu & Xubuntu still have x86_64
[11:13] <guiverc> (sorry I'm tired)
[11:13] <qwebirc92328> thanx guiverc
[11:15] <gersgrerg> hi
[11:16] <gersgrerg> htop question: I now see evince is consumming a lot of resources. On the command column I see the command being executed and the path, but the path is so long I cannot see it all.
[11:16] <gersgrerg> htop is maximized, can I somehow read the whole path?
[11:16] <Tankburn> testing nick
[11:17] <gersgrerg> like an enter function, when the path is too long for my screen
[11:20] <tomreyn> gersgrerg: pgreg evince | xargs ps ef | cat
[11:21] <guiverc> tomreyn, typo?  pgrep
[11:23] <gersgrerg> tomreyn: cant it be done for htop, so I dont have to execute your command for each application?
[11:24] <gersgrerg> another question: Whats the fastest pdf viewer you know? I have been using evince, but now I am with okular and it seems to be way faster for large image pdfs
[11:25] <tomreyn> guiverc: no typo
[11:25] <guiverc> gersgrerg, you can right-arrow to scroll screen to right...
[11:25] <tomreyn> (a rare exception)
[11:26] <guiverc> sorry tomreyn  a command I don't know, so thanks !
[11:26] <gersgrerg> guiverc: odd, it doesnt seem to work. im on xubuntu 18.04
[11:26] <guiverc> gersgrerg, maybe it's because i'm a later Ubuntu (htop 2.2.0)
[11:27] <gersgrerg> guiverc: im also 2.2.0
[11:28] <tomreyn> guiverc: :) i learn 'new' ones regularly, too.
[11:28] <guiverc> gersgrerg, i don't know; right arrow is working for me to read my very long chromium-browser lines..
[11:29] <tomreyn> gersgrerg: i don't know how to have htop not cut off the command line options passed to a command, but it may well be possible. have a look at its man page.
[11:29] <gersgrerg> guiverc: with right arrow, do you mean right clicking my mouse?
[11:29] <guiverc> nah - i use keyboard & mean right-arrow
[11:30] <gersgrerg> jesus christ im an idiot, thanks guiverc
[11:54] <pragmaticenigma> newber: Are you still around?
[12:02] <newber> pragmaticenigma, yes, still here.
[12:03] <pragmaticenigma> newber: I found a package called "mousetweaks" ... I couldn't get it running on my machine (running KDE desktop) but I think it might have the options that you were looking for. Did you have any luck finding a way to get customized controls for your mouse?
[12:05] <newber> pragmaticenigma, I did not make any progress, just read through the links you sent but that will require some further reading and re-reading as I don't have any experience with such xorg configuration.
[12:06] <newber> pragmaticenigma, thank you for the additional information. I'll check out "mousetweaks" too
[12:07] <pragmaticenigma> newber: Take a look at the "mousetweaks" package... The screen shot doesn't show the first tab, however it looks very much like the tool that you had submitted earlier
[12:10] <newber> Hmm..seems it's already installed in my system according to synaptic..
[12:13] <newber> pragmaticenigma, I'm going to try installing xfce4-settings and see what happens
[12:13] <pragmaticenigma> newber: That may work... you could also look through its dependencies and see if it pulls any independent packages that might target the mouse module directly
[12:16] <newber> pragmaticenigma, btw, since "mousetweaks" is apparently already installed on my system, you think it's part of the gnome system settings? I don't see it show up as a separate entity.
[12:17] <pragmaticenigma> newber: I'm not certain, I couldn't get it up and running on my machine, not sure if there is a compatibility issue with KDE or not
[12:17] <pragmaticenigma> newber: You could try manually launching it from within terminal and see what comes up
[12:19] <newber> pragmaticenigma, I was just curious if I could run it somehow. I tried from the terminal but nothing seems to open even though the terminal behaves like it opened the program.
[12:22] <newber> pragmaticenigma, btw, this is everything that was installed by xfce4-settings:
[12:22] <newber> elementary-xfce-icon-theme (0.13.1-1), greybird-gtk-theme (3.22.9-0ubuntu1), libexo-2-0 (0.12.2-1), libexo-common (0.12.2-1), libexo-helpers (0.12.2-1), libgarcon-1-0 (0.6.1-2), libgarcon-common (0.6.1-2), libxfce4ui-1-0 (4.13.4-1ubuntu2), libxfce4ui-2-0 (4.13.4-1ubuntu2), libxfce4ui-common (4.13.4-1ubuntu2), libxfce4util-bin (4.13.2-1), libxfce4util-common (4.13.2-1), libxfce4util7 (4.13.2-1), libxfconf-0-3 (4.13.5-1),
[12:22] <newber> xfce4-settings (4.13.4-1ubuntu1), xfconf (4.13.5-1). I don't think there's anything mouse specific stuff.
[12:24] <pragmaticenigma> newber: Hmm, yeah, doesn't appear to get pulled in as a discreet application. The question then is, does the tool work in gnome?
[12:27] <MassDebates> Hi guys, I just started a new ec2 instance, fresh and brand-spankin' new with Ubuntu on AWS
[12:28] <MassDebates> I've got some experience with ec2 on aws, but I've never touched ubuntu
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> one for you JimBuntu ^
[12:28] <JimBuntu> lotuspsychje, possibly.
[12:28] <pragmaticenigma> MassDebates: Is there an issue that we can help you with MassDebates ?
[12:28] <MassDebates> I've gotten myself to the official community guide/documentation knowledgebase, and I see that there are multiple documented avenues to LAMP-stack awesomeness
[12:28] <JimBuntu> MassDebates, Do you have a specific question?
[12:29] <MassDebates> Here's what I see so far for installing LAMP:
[12:29] <MassDebates> https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/lamp-overview.html vs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[12:29] <MassDebates> I wanted to give some contextual info to best ask my question so sorry about the preliminary details
[12:29] <MassDebates> Which one do I follow, and are there any good 'first steps' to go about before I start slapping LAMPstuffs in there?
[12:30] <JimBuntu> MassDebates, I suggest https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-ubuntu-18-04 ( even though it's from digitalocean )
[12:30] <pragmaticenigma> MassDebates: What I would recommend before doing anything with your EC2 instance, is to spin up a local virtual machine and install Ubuntu there. Then try both sets of instructions to determine which best suits your needs.
[12:31] <MassDebates> Thanks guys
[12:31] <pragmaticenigma> MassDebates: Different tutorials will yield different results. The volunteers here won't know your ideal environment, so it's not really possible to recommend one tutorial over another. It really depends on your use cases.
[12:31] <MassDebates> I'm going to be running a simple wp site
[12:32] <newber> pragmaticenigma, none of the xfce stuff shows up as normal applications in gnome so I had to open them from the terminal as xfce4-mouse-settings and xfce4-settings-manager. They are indeed the settings I miss from XFCE but they don't seem to retain any of the settings I change. So, they have no effect.
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> MassDebates: perhaps also inform yourself about wp security, as it hits the exploit news a lot..
[12:32] <MassDebates> I think this guide from DO will be good for me. I'm not entirely sure if I'd get the insights I need by running a comparative pair of VMs becuase I wouldn't know if it is a true-to-face test
[12:32] <pragmaticenigma> MassDebates: I suspect that signing up for an account on wordpress.com would be a lot cheaper in the long run than running your own instance, and it will always remain up-to-date with the latest security patches.
[12:34] <JimBuntu> +1 to pragmaticenigma 's suggestion MassDebates
[12:35] <iggywig123> Hey. I’m trying to install ubuntu via PXEBoot on a HP DL360 Gen10. It boots the kernel but then drops to a black screen where I would expect the ubuntu installer to show up.. I’ve tried 18.04 and 16.06 and even 19.04 and all of them show the same symptoms..
[12:35] <pragmaticenigma> MassDebates: I would recommend sticking to learning about LAMP stacks on your own personal machine. Until you're comfortable in understanding how to harden a web server, database and other components, keeping it up-to-date regularly, and applying patches to wordpress as they're released regularly and commonly break features.
[12:37] <iggywig123> I tried adding nospash and nomodeset to the APPEND part of the PXE config but that’s not doing anything. I installed a vmware VM using the same PXE setup and that worked fine..
[12:37] <MassDebates> thanks for the advice. This isn't a production webserver. this is for experimentation, learning, and demonstrations.
[12:37] <pragmaticenigma> newber: I suspect that the settings are saved to an XFCE specific config file. It's getting a little too far out of scope for here, but it's a great opportunity to learn. See if you can find those settings files, and see if you can copy/apply them to the gnome configuration files. Always make sure to back up your config files before making changes, so you can restore them when something breaks.
[12:38] <MassDebates> I wouldn't be able to run the same experimentations with a wordpress.com account.
[12:39] <MassDebates> Again, I appreciate the advice, especially since you guys answered my question first before giving that advice.
[12:39] <pragmaticenigma> MassDebates: Understood, that's when I highly encourage you to learn about setting up a local virtual machine and experimenting locally. It's far easier than trying to learn a platform while also learning remote administration at the same time
[12:39] <MassDebates> This isn't the first ec2 instance I've remotely administrated
[12:39] <MassDebates> It's just my first time experimenting with ubuntu
[12:40] <MassDebates> I'm not entirely sure how much the different flavors vary. My first experience with remote administrtion was rhel I think
[12:40] <MassDebates> about 10 years ago
[12:40] <MassDebates> Things are a bit different now, but I think I'll be okay.
[12:40] <tomreyn> MassDebates: by the way, you could actually start with just: sudo apt install lamp-server^
[12:40] <pragmaticenigma> MassDebates: The "flavors" really only apply to the local desktop. They all contain the same core components, the difference beyond that are merely appearances
[12:42] <MassDebates> tomreyn, I was thinking that, but I wasn't sure if the information I was reading was a bit outdated or not. I like community projects, but sometimes that factor comes at a double edged sword!
[12:42] <MassDebates> Sometimes you have 8 different sources of information, and you're not sure which one to go with!
[12:43] <NTQ> When I start libreoffice writer through X forwarding the menu does not appear. All other things work as expected. But I can not use the menu, it's just gray. any ideas?
[12:43] <pragmaticenigma> MassDebates: For documentation, if it doesn't have a date, cross reference it with something that does. If it has a date, anything more than a year or two starts to get out-of-date pretty quick
[12:44] <pragmaticenigma> MassDebates: Or make sure it references the version of OS that you are currently running, and/or the version of the software you are configuring
[12:44] <MassDebates> Thanks. That sounds like a good rule of thumb.
[12:45] <pragmaticenigma> NTQ: Some applications do not work well with X-forwarding. LibreOffice makes use of shared resources (similar to Firefox) which cause rendering issues when forwarded to a remote machine. For the best support, you might want to reach out in the libre office channel and ask if they're aware of any issues or fixes.
[12:45] <NTQ> pragmaticenigma: Okay, thank you.
[12:49] <MassDebates> Canonical Livepatch Sounds cool.
[12:49] <MassDebates> I was really scared of ubuntu but its' just linux
[12:50] <MassDebates> From what I can tell, you're right; they're all the same for the most part. I see some differences with how they work with the webserver though
[12:53] <newber> pragmaticenigma, thanks for all the help. You provided a ton of great information.
[12:54] <tomreyn> MassDebates: you are right, too many cooks and too many tutorials and alternatives spoil it. i agree with pragmaticenigma that the digital ocean tutorial looks fine.
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | pragmaticenigma
[13:00] <sruli> is there a way to install firefox without any gui packages on a server? i want to use the firefox over ssh -X, when i try to install firefox on the server it wants to install 103 new packages which look to be like a desktop env
[13:01] <devnullicous_> hey yall-just wanting to know if ubuntu 18.10 uses firejail and/or apparmor out of the box
[13:02] <calcul0n_> sruli, i doubt it's possible, you look for a curses based browser like links or lynks
[13:02] <calcul0n_> *you should
[13:03] <ayekat> sruli: ssh -X makes it such that programs running on the remote side (server) can connect to the locally (laptop/workstation) running X server
[13:04] <ayekat> sruli: but fundamentally, the program still runs on the remote machine, so it still needs all the libraries it would otherwise need as well (e.g. GTK et al)
[13:04] <BluesKaj> devnullicous_, you can install firejail, apparmor is installed by default
[13:05] <wonderworld> sruli: what do you wanto to achieve?
[13:05] <sruli> ayekat: is there a min installation i can do for it so i can run it but not have the server actually run the desktop env?
[13:05] <ayekat> sruli: it doesn't really run a desktop environment
[13:06] <sruli> wonderworld: i want to use firefox over ssh -X and leave the server as a low resource vm (dont want to bloat it with a desktop env)
[13:06] <ayekat> sruli: why do you want firefox on the remote machine, and not directly on your local machine?
[13:07] <sruli> ayekat: i dont understand, what doesnt run it? if i install firefox with all those packages its not going to run a destop env?
[13:07] <ayekat> sruli: no - the packages are dependencies
[13:07] <ayekat> and I'm pretty sure none of the dependencies is an entire desktop environment
[13:07] <NTQ> pragmaticenigma: I found a bug report with that issue with a workaround (last post) telling me to try to install gnome-shell. But this would install a whole bunch of unnecessary dependencies. Do you have an idea what package could make the difference?
[13:07] <sruli> ayekat: thanks
[13:07] <NTQ> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120649
[13:08] <ayekat> sruli: but there may be a bunch of packages like gtk3 and stuff (because firefox relies on that) - maybe you mistook that for a "desktop environment"?
[13:08] <wonderworld> sruli: it really depends on what you want to achive. why do you want to run ff on the server and not localy?
[13:08] <ayekat> sruli: but more fundamentally, *why* are you doing that?
[13:08] <pragmaticenigma> NTQ: Unfortunately I don't. It could be an icon set, or windowing theme. It's hard to know.
[13:09] <sruli> ayekat: i need to visit a site that only allows me to login from my home town and i travel alot, i used a proxy but they managed to figure out that i am not in my home town. dont know how
[13:09] <NTQ> pragmaticenigma: I also was thinking it could be something like this. Maybe I could trace ptrace it to see which libraries or files it tries to open.
[13:10] <wonderworld> sruli you want to proxy HTTP thru ssh -> https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/use-ssh-create-http-proxy
[13:10] <ayekat> +1 for SSH SOCKS proxy
[13:10] <pragmaticenigma> sruli: From a previous conversation today. Firefox does not work well through X-forwarding. It is built with the intention of using shared processes that cause significant performance issues when run via x-forward. Firefox documentation states that x-forwarding is not supported due to the application archetecture.
[13:11] <sruli> they do have a no-remote option that is exactly for this
[13:11] <MassDebates> I am loving ubuntu so far
[13:12] <tomreyn> sruli: yes you can install firefox without a need for a graphical desktop
[13:12] <wonderworld> sruli: did you try with ssh? it should be impossible for the other end to detect the proxy
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> sruli: The feature has been broken for some time now. There is a bug ticket for it that has not been addressed
[13:14] <sruli> i tried with a proxy, must be something else from the browser sent info that identified my location
[13:15] <ayekat> what proxy?
[13:15] <wonderworld> if it's just a single website, a ssh tunnel would work as well:   ssh -L 8080:www.hometownonlywebsite.com:443 root@myhomeserver.com . after that access https://127.0.0.1:8080 in your local browser
[13:15] <sruli>  i want to test it to see how it goes, should i install it with no-install-recommends ? apt install --no-install-recommends firefox --dry-run https://termbin.com/iwv3 vs apt install firefox --dry-run https://termbin.com/pi4m
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> !root | wonderworld
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> wonderworld: Please do not recommend using root as a login.
[13:15] <wonderworld> sorry, forgot this is ubuntu. replace root with your ssh user
[13:19] <pragmaticenigma> sruli: It can't hurt to try, it's hard to know with any certainty if that will work or not
[13:20] <ayekat> also, if they were able to find your browser's location, it's because your proxy setup wasn't right - they can only see where an HTTP connection comes from, not more
[13:20] <bmullan> Sorry if this has been asked already but does anyone know if  there has there been a bug filed against the LibreOffice version in the Ubuntu 18.04 repository (v6.0.7) to get the Ubuntu repository up to LibreOffice v6.2.2.2 so as to get rid of all the startup crashes with the existing LibreOffice 6.0.7?
[13:20] <wonderworld> i am always amazed about the problem solving capabilities of ssh
[13:21] <lordcirth__> bmullan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice
[13:22] <ayekat> bmullan: I believe if anything, a bugfix will be backported to 6.0.7, but there won't ever be a 6.2.2.2 for 18.04
[13:23] <sruli> common sense prevailing ... will use ssh tunnel = proxy
[13:23] <bmullan> @lordcirth__  thanks, I'd already looked there.   Even the SNAP version of Libreoffice in Ubuntu 18.04 is LibreOffice v6.2.2.2
[13:23] <bmullan> and it works
[13:23] <bmullan> but the snap version loads sooo slow
[13:24] <ayekat> snap packages are completely orthogonal to distribution packages
[13:24] <lordcirth__> It does? That's interesting. Perhaps *that* should be a bug report.
[13:24] <lordcirth__> Perhaps because it needs to load the libraries from the core snap into RAM as well.
[13:25] <cfhowlett> dammit ... I'm an English teacher and I **STILL*** had to break out the dictionary for "orthogonal" ...
[13:25] <ayekat> they are not maintained by the same people, and they don't use the same resources as distribution packages - and they are independent of an ubuntu release (so rather "rolling release")
[13:26] <ayekat> cfhowlett: actually, I'm not sure my use of that word was correct ^^ (I should probably have used "independent" - I'm no native english speaker)
[13:26] <cfhowlett> :)
[13:26] <bmullan> @lordcirth__ yes, the SNAP LibreOffice works fine but it takes forever to load.   I gave a presentation to a large Linux User Group last Thursday nite of remote desktops in LXD and right off the bat several people mentioned LibreOffice was crashing.   I had to explain it had nothing to do with LXD or the remote desktop but was a bug with LibreOffice v6.0.7.   I installed the SNAP version 6.2.2.2 and LibreOffice worked but it just loads ri
[13:26] <bmullan> diculously slowly.
[13:28] <MassDebates> This guide is telling me to disable auth_socket plugin
[13:28] <MassDebates> But my intuition tells me this is bad news.
[13:28] <bmullan> I just don't understand why the 18.04 repository still has LibreOffice v6.07 which crashes constantly but 18.04's SNAP LibreOffice works fine but is v6.2.2.2
[13:28] <MassDebates> Is this really recommended? It seems like it'd make things far more insecure
[13:28] <ayekat> bmullan: there's two potential bug reports then: (1) libreoffice 6.0.7 crashes, and the according bugfix should be backported; and (2) the snap version of LO loads too slowly
[13:29] <bmullan> @ayekat ... thanks
[13:29] <ayekat> bmullan: but 6.2.2.2 on 18.04 will not happen, because that would go against the idea of distribution releases
[13:29] <ayekat> (webbrowsers being an exception there, because the web sucks)
[13:30] <bmullan> @ayekat - if they can backport something to make LibreOffice v6.07 work w/out crashing ... great.   But if they can't for some reason then its going to continue being a pain in the Butt for users.
[13:31] <ayekat> well, I'd argue that it's one of the main jobs of package maintainers to fix that sort of thing by backporting the bugfixes :-)
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> MassDebates: I believe that feature has to do with WebSockets functionality... not server side authentication
[13:35] <MassDebates> I found that out, thanks!
[13:35] <cpcat> gnite
[13:36] <MassDebates> Anyone have a handy list of recommended php modules and libs that come from "apt serach php- | less" ?
[13:36] <MassDebates> I see a few that I think I'd want, like php-fpm
[13:38] <leftyfb> MassDebates: that's not a support question. Feel free to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic. Not to mention, you don't go installing php modules because "I think I want"
[13:38] <MassDebates> okay, thanks for the helpful channel recommendation. I didn't mean to break any rules
[13:39] <leftyfb> ayekat: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[13:39] <wonderworld> MassDebates: ##php could be of help as well
[13:40] <thefatma> Hey guys im doing do-release-upgrade on Ubuntu 16.04.5 And after a while it return an error of download failed , Oracle JDK8 is NOT installed , dpgk : error processing package oracle-java8-installer and then it gives me an option to send a report or something
[13:40] <thefatma> anyone has an idea?
[13:41] <cfhowlett> send the report
[13:42] <leftyfb> thefatma: oracle jdk8 is not an official package. You need to remove all PPA's and packages from said PPA's before upgrading
[13:42] <thefatma> Is there an option to send it to a certain place or it just sends it to the developers?
[13:42] <leftyfb> thefatma: sending the report doesn't really do much to be honest. There's nothing to fix other than you removing the package and the PPA
[13:43] <thefatma> I see, what is PPA?
[13:43] <benharri> personal package archive
[13:43] <leftyfb> thefatma: the repo you added in order for you to be able to install oracle-java8-installer
[13:44] <leftyfb> thefatma: sudo apt install ppa-purge && sudo ppa-purge ppa:webupd8team/java
[13:46] <leftyfb> thefatma: you'll probably need to open the "Software & Updates" util and look under "Other software" for the list of PPA's you'll need to purge
[13:46] <espen__> Hi. Can anyone please explain to me how I can arrange the following setup:
[13:46] <thefatma> Ye there's actually like 5X of them
[13:46] <thefatma> I think the better option might be installing from scratch
[13:47] <leftyfb> thefatma: I agree
[13:47] <espen__> I'm looking to implement a virtual switch, that my wireless access point connects to and my KVM VMs can communicate over.
[13:48] <espen__> How can i do this, while still allowing the host machine to be available over the network? Should a static IP be set on the wireless network card, or on the bridge?
[13:49] <leftyfb> espen__: I think you might be going about this the wrong way. Without mentioning virtual-anything, explain in detail your current setup, it's limitations and your end goal
[13:49] <espen__> Im trying to make a router, with the ability to host VMs and act as a wireless access point
[13:50] <espen__> got 1x ethernet card, and 1x wireless card
[13:50] <espen__> ethernet card is receiving WAN end of connection, and there will be NATing to both VMs and Wireless clients
[13:50] <leftyfb> !enter | espen__
[13:51] <espen__> Right, sorry. Been quite a while since i've been on the IRC channel :-)
[13:53] <leftyfb> espen__: what version of ubuntu?
[13:53] <espen__> 18.10 server release
[13:54] <leftyfb> espen__: ok, so all you really need is to setup a wireless hotspot and something like dnsmasq. And just set your bridged interface for your kvm's to use the same bridge interface for your dnsmasq setup
[13:54] <leftyfb> espen__: you don't need any sort of "virtual switch"
[13:55] <espen__> alright so a br0 device, that both my wireless and kvm's hook up to?
[13:57] <leftyfb> espen__: setting up dnsmasq should include a bridge interface
[13:58] <espen__> hmm interesting, that makes matters a whole lot easier
[13:59] <leftyfb> espen__: https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/dnsmasq   you might still need a simple iptables rule to do NAT. Something like https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xBf3MQkyYZ/
[13:59] <leftyfb> espen__: I can't guarantee it'll all work out of the box, but this should get you started
[14:00] <leftyfb> espen__: for the AP, I found a snap called "wifi-ap" ... that might work for your needs
[14:00] <ZeZu> I'm getting a permission denied error,  writing to /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register with sudo,  attrs says it's owner(root) writable...  am I missing something ?
[14:00] <leftyfb> espen__: the trick is going to be tying it all together
[14:00] <espen__> I'm already settled on the AP part, hostapd and a custom driver i've extracted from ASUS AC-88u router... :p
[14:00] <ZeZu> `with (sudo) echo`
[14:01] <leftyfb> ZeZu: what version of ubuntu? How exactly are you getting this error?
[14:01] <leftyfb> espen__: wifi-ap uses hostapd
[14:01] <ZeZu> disco,  and via sudo echo 'string' > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register
[14:01] <espen__> cheers for the info, now i'm all good for a couple of days!
[14:02] <leftyfb> ZeZu: you cannot echo as sudo. Use: echo 'string' |sudo tee /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register
[14:02] <leftyfb> !ubuntu+1 | ZeZu
[14:02] <ZeZu> hmm i didn't know that
[14:02] <leftyfb> ZeZu: Ubuntu 19.04 is not released or supported yet.
[14:02] <ZeZu> yes i'm familiar with with the +1 chan i'm in there
[14:03] <leftyfb> ZeZu: ok. Untill it's released, you'll have to rely on support from there.
[14:03] <ZeZu> this is a very general question though,  i was sure was unrelated
[14:03] <leftyfb> ZeZu: anything could be related. We don't assume it's not.
[14:04] <ZeZu> true,  i have 18.10 installed as well,  just taking a look
[14:08] <Ool> Hi, how to use krb5 with remmina ? I can see my kerberos ticket with klist, I can browse the SMB/CIFS share with nautilus without giving again my password, but remmina ask me my ID
[14:08] <Ool> Ubuntu 18.04
[14:11] <thefatma> leftyfb : where do you look up the software and updates util
[14:12] <leftyfb> thefatma: in your Unity list of applications
[14:13] <thefatma> leftyfb : and everything there is under a "unspported category" which will need to be removed all of them in order for the upgrade to work properly?
[14:13] <thefatma> Or some of them can be left?
[14:14] <leftyfb> thefatma: all of them need to be removed. But you need to track down which packages you installed from them and remove those packages as well. I would use ppa-purge which does both for you
[14:14] <thefatma> leftyfb : thanks alot for the help my friend, deeply appreciated
[14:16] <thefatma> i tried to install apt install ppa-purge, does the command need to come with the && and the after it to work properly?
[14:16] <thefatma> Becuase is returned Oracel JDK8 is NOT installed
[14:17] <thefatma> oh nvm my bad
[14:19] <tomreyn> thefatma: if you want a way to get more specific instructions, run this, it will output a web address you can post here:   sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[14:19] <thefatma> this is companie's server im not sure i can do that :3, what would that do actually i don't understand
[14:20] <thefatma> This will show you what im seeing basically? :tomreyn
[14:21] <tomreyn> thefatma: as you can't tell from the commands what it does and you can't just trust me, you should not run it on your employers' server.
[14:23] <leftyfb> thefatma: that command will show us which PPA's you need to remove
[14:24] <thefatma> tomreyn : i have to, its my task and part of the job
[14:24] <thefatma> it's just this annoying employee that insists on upgrading instead of reinstalling for no reason but we have to do it because we wanna satisfy him
[14:25] <i386errorOnx64pc> hi
[14:25] <thefatma> althought i told him most chances will have to reintsall anyway even if the upgrade will succed because im deleting so many installation and PPAs so for something will get fucked up
[14:25] <thefatma> Anyways bottom line
[14:26] <thefatma> What i need to do is : ppa-purge ppa:webupd8team/java on every packacge under other software . correct?
[14:26] <JoshShell> How long to patch and build kernel?
[14:26] <thefatma> I mean ppa-purge:webupd8team/*packacge name?*
[14:26] <i386errorOnx64pc> how do i fix grub rescue saying file /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal mod not found, i only have x86_64/normal.mod
[14:27] <tomreyn> JoshShell: 42
[14:27] <JoshShell> On 500 Mhz
[14:27] <i386errorOnx64pc> the i386 folder isnt precent
[14:27] <JoshShell> If it's 42 minutes for you, then a few hours for  me.
[14:27] <tomreyn> JoshShell: i just gave you the universal answer since no actual answer was possible since the question was way too imprecise.
[14:27] <JoshShell> I want to add the nosymfollow patch.
[14:28] <tomreyn> JoshShell: but really, you're on your own with building your own kernels.
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> JoshShell: what are you trying to do exactly. This forum encourages you to use the provided kernels in the software update channels whenever possible. This channel assumes that when building your own kernel, you have enough knowledge and experience to know what you are doing and know the correct resources to find assistance.
[14:29] <leftyfb> thefatma: no
[14:29] <leftyfb> thefatma: sudo ppa-purge ppa:webupd8team/java
[14:29] <JoshShell> I was disappointed to read that Linux 5 doesn't include it.
[14:29] <leftyfb> thefatma: you need to replace ppa:webupd8team/java with each of the ppa's you have installed
[14:30] <thefatma> leftyfb : yes , sorry for the syntax error thats what i meant
[14:30] <leftyfb> JoshShell: no released version of Ubuntu uses version 5.x of the linux kernel anyway.
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> JoshShell: For commentary and discussion, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic. We ask that you stick to Ubuntu support related questions here please.
[14:30] <leftyfb> thefatma: you do not include package names in the command. Only the ppa names
[14:31] <JoshShell> Did pragmatic decide that just by reading my text? Smart AI
[14:31] <leftyfb> JoshShell: pragmaticenigma is not a bot. And your question is not Ubuntu related. Good luck
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> JoshShell: Please, head the advice.
[14:31] <JoshShell> Haha
[14:32] <thefatma> leftyfb : Plesae can i private message and try to work it a bit
[14:32] <leftyfb> thefatma: no. ask here
[14:34] <thefatma> leftyfb: wait so if i understand i need to delete both the packages and the PPA's meaning the syntax for the PPA is what you gave me here with the java example, and for the packages just a apt-remove bla bla right?
[14:34] <leftyfb> thefatma: sudo ppa-purge ppa:webupd8team/java   # This will remove the PPA and all the packages you installed from it. Do the same for all of the PPA's you added
[14:36] <thefatma> leftyfb : i see, i tried to test it now on the java for example and went to do a test to see if the upgrade will get stuck on java again or move on to the nexy [problematic PPA but it still stucks on the java why's that? and also when i now do the comannd it says he can't find the package list for PPA: Java
[14:36] <thefatma> Does it need a reboot after purging to register properly?
[14:37] <leftyfb> thefatma: try: sudo apt remove --purge oracle-java*
[14:38] <thefatma> leftyfb : unable to locate package oracle-ljava
[14:39] <thefatma> y
[14:39] <leftyfb> thefatma: sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[14:39] <leftyfb> we need to see what's going on
[14:39] <thefatma> leftyfb : how :private" is what your'e going to see?
[14:39] <thefatma> im also doing it on console mode is it a problem?
[14:39] <thefatma> terminal monde*
[14:40] <ayekat> leftyfb: ah, didn't think of PPAs ^^
[14:40] <leftyfb> thefatma: it only shows the output from trying to update and upgrade packages and what repo's they are from
[14:41] <thefatma> leftyfb : sorry for the ignorance question im a begginer at the work.. but are repo's private?
[14:42] <thefatma> leftyfb: or standard for everyone / most people?
[14:42] <leftyfb> thefatma: Only you can answer that. We have no way of knowing if your company is using some internal repo that would share company secrets just by showing it's URL.
[14:44] <thefatma> leftyfb : well with logical thinkin im almost sure there's no way its going to reveal secrets but sharing a URL, or am i wrong and with repo's it might be actually?
[14:44] <thefatma> with sharing aurl*
[14:44] <leftyfb> thefatma: you'd be wrong in that assumption.
[14:44] <thefatma> leftyfb : wrong huh..
[14:44] <thefatma> leftyfb : how can i see a most of the repo's or a repo list to check for my self ?
[14:45] <pragmaticenigma> Remove the part of that command that sends the information to termbin
[14:45] <leftyfb> thefatma: Unfortunately, we cannot proceed with troubleshooting unless we see those outputs. Feel free to grab the output yourself without the use of termbin and obscure URL's you think might be internal
[14:46] <thefatma> what does the termbin do? shows it "live"?
[14:47] <SimonNL> https://termbin.com/ow6o
[14:47] <SimonNL> �
[14:47] <SimonNL> something like that thefatma
[14:49] <thefatma> Got you ,
[14:53] <thefatma> Does something in here (sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog) sends you output before i can check it? or i mean i get the url i can look at it and see that there's nothing wrong and then send?
[14:54] <MrElendig> drop the nc termbin and read the file before you upload it
[14:54] <MrElendig> that whole thing is pretty nasty thoygh
[14:54] <MrElendig> though*
[14:54] <thefatma> wdu mean nasty
[14:54] <MrElendig> also useless use of sudo
[14:55] <thefatma> Can you show me how its properly done assuming im root, (just remove sudos?)
[14:58] <leftyfb> thefatma: /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[14:58] <leftyfb> there was only 1 useless use of sudo
[14:59] <leftyfb> thefatma: sudo apt-get -qqy update ; apt-cache policy ; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade
[14:59] <leftyfb> thefatma: that is how you check the command without posting to termbin
[15:01] <thefatma> Ok i ran the command where is that file sitting with the info?
[15:02] <MrElendig> it prints to the screen instead of to a file
[15:05] <thefatma> Didn't print anything :3
[15:22] <SimonNL> which command line
[16:03] <maeud> Hi, how can I get a disk to be recognised as SDA rather than SDB, sda doesn't exist in the system. Only one drive is connected (no usb, etc)
[16:04] <maeud> I've set in BIOS to AHCI, set the boot order to the hard drive first
[16:05] <rypervenche> maeud: Is there a reason you're not using UUIDs? For what reason do you need/want a specific drive name?
[16:05] <maeud> I'm running through a preseed with partman disk set to /dev/sda
[16:05] <MrElendig> maeud: don't, use persistent naming instead
[16:05] <maeud> Raid was originally on, then I set it to AHCI, dd'd the disk
[16:05] <maeud> I can't use persistent naming, it's for the OS install
[16:05] <MrElendig> ?
[16:06] <maeud> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/s390x/apbs04.html
[16:06] <MrElendig> how does that prevent you from using persistent naming?
[16:06] <maeud> #d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda
[16:06] <maeud> because I'm not at that stage yet
[16:07] <maeud> I'm running through the install using a preseed file
[16:07] <maeud> it works fine in Hyper-V
[16:07] <maeud> but on a physical machine that originally had the disk presented as RAID using Intel RST rather than AHCI, it's being recognised as SDB instead of SDA
[16:08] <maeud> I've now set it to AHCI, removed the partitions, dd'd the disk, set the BIOS boot order to hard drive first, made sure nothing else is connected, etc
[16:08] <MrElendig> can still use by-* instead of sd*
[16:08] <maeud> "d-i partman-auto/disk string"
[16:08] <maeud> does not support by uuid etc
[16:09] <maeud> the only issue I need help with MrElendig is getting the Ubuntu installer to pick the drive up as SDA instead of SDB
[16:10] <MrElendig> you can rename using udev rules, but simply using /dev/disk/by-* should work fine
[16:10] <cryptodan> maeud: did you try changing it to sata port 0
[16:11] <MrElendig> disabeling async probing *might* randomly make it sda too, or it might not
[16:11] <maeud> MrElendig: please read what I've wrote, I'm PXE booting, it can't be persistent like that
[16:11] <maeud> I've rotated the drive around SATA ports cryptodan, it's in port 0 and still shows as sdb
[16:11] <OerHeks> odd, the 1st disk *is* SDA
[16:11] <maeud> it's a weird one
[16:12] <OerHeks> maeud, if you changed it, did you go into the bios/exit to make the bios remember it?
[16:12] <OerHeks> just plug in and boot, some bios do not accept that
[16:12] <maeud> I've set the boot order in the BIOS, made sure the disk shows as in port 0, that's persistent
[16:12] <maeud> is that what you mean?
[16:13] <OerHeks> maeud, jups, that should do
[16:13] <maeud> I've dd'd the disk also, weird
[16:13] <ChunkzZ> !isitoutyet
[16:13] <OerHeks> maeud,  can you make a printscreen of gmparted, or fdisk -l ?
[16:15] <OerHeks> first and only drive, seen as sdb, really odd
[16:15] <cryptodan> maeud: what motherboard
[16:15] <MrElendig> maeud: since 2015 or so the kernel have defaulted to async probing, so sd* is just not going to be persistent no matter how you swap the drives around
[16:16] <maeud> sure OerHeks, give me 2 min
[16:16] <maeud> there is 1 drive MrElendig
[16:23] <maeud> OerHeks: getting there
[16:28] <maeud> OerHeks: https://imgur.com/a/NrBtjEn
[16:30] <OerHeks> maeud, oke, are you sure you have sda as harddisk/ssd, and see sdb that is actually your USB iso?
[16:30] <maeud> sorry cryptodan, never saw your message. It's a generic DELL, what should I do regarding async probing?
[16:30] <OerHeks> not seeing a hdd can be lots of thing then
[16:30] <maeud> nothing else is connected OerHeks, I'm PXE booting
[16:30] <maeud> It can see it OerHeks, as SDB rather than SDA
[16:31] <maeud> no usb, no other hard drives, nothing
[16:32] <maeud> what I'm not sure about, is it's loading in mdadm, is that normal or does it think it's part of an array
[16:32] <OerHeks> yes, that is logical, but if you wiped a drive, it should be fine
[16:33] <maeud> I wrote over it with zeroes using DD, before that I cleared the lv's then deleted the partition in gparted
[16:36] <OerHeks> make a fresh partition table on that drive, and reboot to see what happens?
[16:36] <EriC^^> maeud: there's some grub kernel line iirc that forces the use of a name iirc
[16:37] <maeud> OerHeks, looking at the drive in gparted, it's unallocated for partition/filesystem
[16:37] <qwebirc44926> at what hour time zone will Ubuntu 19.04 final will be available fort download
[16:37] <maeud> and it shows as /dev/sda...
[16:38] <maeud> EriC^^ I'd rather not mess about with GRUB, this should work out the box
[16:38] <OerHeks> qwebirc44926, no time specified :-D
[16:39] <qwebirc44926> :-)
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> !party | qwebirc44926
[16:44] <leftyfb> qwebirc44926: there is never an hour of any timezone for the next version to be released. It will be released when it is ready. No sooner or later. That is the only answer you will ever get.
[16:47] <maeud> dmesg https://i.imgur.com/g2fehS8.jpg
[16:47] <maeud> picked up as sdb
[16:47] <maeud> wtf...
[16:47] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | maeud
[16:49] <maeud> *what the heck....
[16:49] <maeud> lol
[16:58] <maeud> had a mess about in the BIOS and it's now working
[16:58] <maeud> no idea
[16:58] <pragmaticenigma> what did you change in your BIOS maeud ?
[16:59] <maeud> disabled some devices, limited sata ports to 1 and 2, couple other things
[16:59] <maeud> not sure exactly what fixed it lol
[17:00] <maeud> hopefully never have this issue again, first time
[17:00] <OerHeks> good to hear you fixed it, have fun!
[17:01] <maeud> now have to run through bionic bios/uefi install then xenial bios/uefi install and finally apply my playbook to both :)
[17:01] <maeud> thanks OerHeks
[17:29] <scheeseman> Hey, my problem is a little weird. I have a 2200G /w a Vega IGP and an AMD 7750 discreet card and I want to run both at the same time. Is that even possible?
[17:29] <Gerowen> What would be better for copying a large amount of data, including symbolic links, from one drive to another without breaking the symlinks?  Would cp work, or would rsync be better?
[17:29] <scheeseman> I have the 7750 running on the AMDGPU driver and it's working fine and the Vega GPU is detected but I'm not getting any output. lshw says that the display connected to it is unclaimed
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> scheeseman: unclaimed means no driver
[17:30] <leftyfb> Gerowen: rsync would be better
[17:31] <scheeseman> Is the 7750 in conflict with it or something?
[17:31] <OerHeks> you might be able to use both cards, if you set primairy GPU to VGA? not sure Tyzen is able to
[17:31] <OerHeks> to VEGA *
[17:31] <Gerowen> leftyfb: That's what I was thinking.  I've never really fooled with rsync so I wasn't sure how it worked and if it would preserve my symbolic links.
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> scheeseman: can we see a pastebin of: uname -a && lsb_release -a && sudo lshw -C video plz
[17:32] <scheeseman> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NMDrV6MykS/
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> scheeseman: did you try boot cosmic kernel 4.18..?
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> scheeseman: if you like, please also share your dmesg maybe we can find a clue there
[17:37] <scheeseman> I'll give it a shot, I jumped straight into a newer/custom kernel since I figured having both GPUs running using the AMDGPU seemed to make sense, otherwise the 7750 would be using the older radeon driver.
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> scheeseman: are you usings stock amd gpu or from amd?
[17:41] <scheeseman> I'm using the kernel from here: https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> scheeseman: for the kernel part, we can only support !mainline here
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> scheeseman: so for troubleshooting ubuntu issues we reccomend to use/bug on the supported kernels
[17:42] <OerHeks> you might be able to use both cards, if you set in your bios: primairy GPU to VEGA?
[17:43] <OerHeks> any plugin card overrides that bios setting
[17:45] <aether> Hello, I am wondering if anyone was familiar with how to compile CRDA and wireless-regdb in ubuntu 18.04.  I have tried several guides online but they don't seem to work.  It seems like the guides are outdated and in some instances the location of CRDA is wrong ( /lib/crda vs /usr/lib/crda ).
[17:46] <aether> Any help would be much appreciated!
[17:46] <leftyfb> aether: sudo apt install crda wireless-regdb
[17:47] <Elec_A> Hi, I'm getting a new machine in my office for simulations. do I need to pay attention to anything specific when I'm installing ubuntu on a i9 machne with 2080 RTX graphics card? Can I just proceed with regular ubuntu installation.
[17:48] <leftyfb> Elec_A: try it
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> Elec_A: for latest nvidia cards check also the ubuntu graphics ppa
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | Elec_A
[17:48] <aether> Right, well I am trying to customize the db.txt in wireless-regdb and then compile myself so that I can unlock my txpower on my new alpha card.  It comes locked to region "GB" out of the box and so I am trying to edit the "GB" block to support the tx power I'm looking for.
[17:49] <aether> alfa*
[17:49] <Elec_A> leftyfb: lotuspsychje : I'm trying to get the most available resources from this machine. Do you recommend going with ubuntu server and build the system with required applications or ubuntu desktop is just fine?
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> Elec_A: tell us more about 'simulations' ?
[17:50] <leftyfb> Elec_A: do you need a graphical Desktop for anything?
[17:50] <Elec_A> lotuspsychje: it's raytracing mainly. We need to do a lot of ray tracing and also, I will need CUDA a lot.
[17:51] <Elec_A> leftyfb: actually you brought up a good point. I think I'll use Blender. so I do, but I'll check to see if Blender can use any remote machine for rendering.
[17:54] <Elec_A> I have a laptop which is also Ubuntu. can I install applications on a remote machine and use my laptop to open programs?
[17:54] <Elec_A> I suspect I can.
[17:54] <NorthwestVegan> yes elec
[17:54] <NorthwestVegan> use vnc4server, or ssh -X
[17:55] <Elec_A> NorthwestVegan: I have used NX with x2go before. but I know a DE like gnome should be installed on remote machine.
[17:56] <NorthwestVegan> i like to use openbox for super minimal de
[17:56] <NorthwestVegan> when im vnc-ing
[17:56] <Elec_A> NorthwestVegan: do I need a de for vnc?
[17:56] <Elec_A> ah Isee.
[17:56] <NorthwestVegan> yeah
[17:56] <NorthwestVegan> openbox is soo light it makes it fast
[17:57] <Elec_A> Okay. I'll go with openbox. I know I know, my adviser also tells me I'm too perfectionist! :(
[17:57] <NorthwestVegan> i like vinagre as my vnc client
[17:57] <lordcirth__> Elec_A, if you just want individual programs, not a remote desktop, consider ssh X-forwarding.
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> Elec_A: just be carefull with remote software, understand the risks of opening ports
[17:57] <Elec_A> Got it. Thank you.
[17:58] <Elec_A> Also, CPU and GPU are highend. It only has 8GB of RAM. for now at least, so that we can get more funding to support buying more ram.
[17:58] <leftyfb> Elec_A: running blender on the remote machine over VNC does not utilize the GPU on your local machine at all. To be honest, I'm not even sure doing it over ssh -X does either.
[17:58] <NorthwestVegan> ssh -X works, but i find it too slow mostly
[17:58] <lordcirth__> NorthwestVegan, I find VNC also too slow
[17:59] <xamithan> There is compression options you can use with ssh -X
[17:59] <NorthwestVegan> lol :)
[17:59] <xamithan> it speeds it up a bit,  but still slow compared to something like NX
[17:59] <NorthwestVegan> ill have to check out NX i never used it
[17:59] <NorthwestVegan> if your talking about blender, theres a remote render option
[18:00] <xamithan> NX,  nomachine
[18:00] <Elec_A> xamithan: I use x2go, which is fine I think.
[18:00] <Elec_A> NorthwestVegan: awesome. I'll look into it.
[18:00] <xamithan> well x2go is NX
[18:00] <Elec_A> yup
[18:01] <Elec_A> but is free unlike nomachine.
[18:01] <NorthwestVegan> yeah, yu can also set up multiple boxes with gpus to do a render farm with blender
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> lets continue this in #ubuntu-discuss please
[18:02] <Elec_A> Alright everyone. I totally got my answer :)
[18:02] <Elec_A> Thank you!
[18:02] <NorthwestVegan> :)
[18:03] <Gerowen> When creating a raid 1 pool and creating the partition on a drive I'm going to use, should I leave a gigabyte or so unpartitioned, in the event of slight capacity variances if I have to replace a drive?  I think somebody mentioned that to me last night and I just want to make sure before committing.
[18:04] <lordcirth__> Gerowen, on a large HDD? Yeah, it is a good idea.
[18:04] <Gerowen> Two 12TB drives.
[18:04] <lordcirth__> Yeah, having to rebuild a 12TB array because of 1GB would be very annoying.
[18:11] <Gerowen> Took some finagling to get cfdisk to let me leave only 1GB un-partitioned, had to dig out the calculator and figure out how much 1GB is in sectors because it wouldn't take 10.899 as a valid size, :p
[18:12] <lordcirth__> I think you could also have made a 1GB at the end, then deleted it after :P
[18:13] <jcb2016> !broadcom
[18:17] <Xard> i've been hit with this issue with the latest 18.04 patches: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/520546
[18:18] <Xard> "sudo kbd_mode -s" from terminal hotfixes it
[18:22] <OerHeks> Xard, an very old bugreport, 2010 .. so alt + f2 gives you a TTY?
[18:23] <jcb2016> im trying to install wireless boardcom via the STA - No Internet access i don't have build essentails installed since i have no wifi. any ideas?
[18:24] <MikeRL> Agh. GUI froze when doing a sudo do-release-upgrade -d.
[18:24] <MikeRL> Wound up accidentally exiting the terminal during an upgrade. What do I do?
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> jcb2016: did you install from your installation medium on /pool?
[18:25] <MikeRL> I wonder if the upgrade will complete in the background, or if I need to do anything...
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> MikeRL: going early on 19.04 from 18.10?
[18:25] <jcb2016> lotuspsychje, im trying the sudo dpkg -i dkms* from /pool and i get the error about build-essential
[18:25] <MikeRL> lotuspsychje, yes.
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> MikeRL: i would wait till tomorrow until final
[18:26] <MrElendig> MikeRL: generally a good idea to not have X running when doing release upgrade
[18:27] <MikeRL> Didn't know that. X sure is buggy.
[18:27] <MikeRL> Hope wayland replaces it soon enough.
[18:27] <OerHeks> xard  if your system meets "console-setup 1.178ubuntu2.7 and keyboard-configuration 1.178ubuntu2.7" update please, there is a new version out
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> jcb2016: try browsing to your /pool location and try to install the deb driver
[18:29] <jcb2016> lotuspsychje, what i do about the build essential error?
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> jcb2016: you are trying to install from terminal now?
[18:30] <jcb2016> yes
[18:30] <jcb2016> lotuspsychje, give me a sec i have to go i will brb
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> jcb2016: yeah, try the GUI way
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> jcb2016: once you got wifi, we can do alot more
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> Should be noted that no one, unless you want to be on the development (alpha/beta test) channel for updates, should run "do-release-upgrade -d" The "-d" is for "Development Release" not stable
[18:37] <OerHeks> and just "do-release-upgrade -d" is not enough, iirc
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: omgubuntu posted a -d early method, seems like we going have work again
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> ugh
[18:44] <Xard> OerHeks: yeah, the alt+fx key or super+left / right switched virtual terminals
[18:45] <Xard> and I just updated keyboard configuration packages got hit by this
[19:01] <scohal> help /key
[19:13] <Jonopoly> Anyone have a nice 'fun' option for a lightweight distro?
[19:13] <Jonopoly> running on an old laptop?
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | Jonopoly
[19:15] <ioria> Jonopoly, can you reveal how old is it ?
[19:15] <Jonopoly> lotuspsychje: Thanks
[19:15] <Jonopoly> loria: 7+ Celeron 4gb ram
[19:15] <Jonopoly> I just install an 120gb ssd in it now
[19:16] <Jonopoly> I just install an 120gb ssd in it nowtl
[19:16] <Jonopoly> oops sorry
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> Jonopoly: that could take a lot of flavors, just not kubuntu
[19:16] <Jonopoly> Toshiba Satellite - C600
[19:16] <ioria> Jonopoly, ram and disk is good, can you be more specific about the cpu ?
[19:17] <Jonopoly> loria: does this help? Celeron(R) Dual-Core CPU       T3500  @ 2.10GHz
[19:17] <ioria> yes
[19:18] <lordcirth__> I am a fan of Xubuntu on both 2GB RAM and 32GB RAM systems :)
[19:19] <Jonopoly> Is xubuntu just XFCE on ubuntu?
[19:19] <ioria> Jonopoly, yes, i'd go with xubuntu or budgie
[19:20] <Jonopoly> Hmm okay more than Ubuntu Mate ?
[19:20] <ioria> Jonopoly,  mate is good too
[19:21] <Jonopoly> Hmm, I've used xfce in past
[19:21] <Jonopoly> its kinda ugly.. but can make it 'okay' surely
[19:21] <Jonopoly> i think xfce is more customisable (out of the box) than mate
[19:21] <ioria> Jonopoly,  then try budgie
[19:21] <Jonopoly> iirc
[19:22] <R13ose> When I do alt+ left or right key, the desktop goes to command line.  What should I do to stop that?
[19:24] <Jonopoly> loria: Thanks will give them both a look
[19:24] <lordcirth__> R13ose, search for 'shortcut' in your menu, and disable that shortcut
[19:25] <lordcirth__> R13ose, actually, do you mean it switches to a tty, or opens a terminal emulator?
[19:26] <R13ose> tty
[19:29] <R13ose> I don't see any tty shortcut in the settings
[19:35] <user01> is there a program in ubuntu to take a larger XML file and dump out a list of all the unique elements and attributes?
[19:38] <ioria> user01, have you tired xmllint ?
[19:38] <ioria> *tried
[19:39] <MrElendig> lxml and a tiny bit of coding
[19:46] <analogical> what's the best Ubuntu flavor for a slow laptop?
[19:47] <MrElendig> how slow
[19:47] <MrElendig> and the "flavour" doesn't really matter, what you install matters more
[19:47] <MrElendig> tip: do a netinstall and just install what you need
[19:48] <OerHeks> !flavors
[19:48] <leftyfb> analogical: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:48] <analogical> leftyfb, how was my question off topic?
[19:48] <user01> ioria, will give it a shot thanks
[19:49] <ioria> ok
[19:49] <user01> MrElendig, ok thanks
[19:50] <douglas-quaid> greetings all - i'm running 19.04 and would like to hide the desktop icons, is there a way?
[19:50] <veegee> Hey guys, what's the current recommendation on apt-get vs aptitude?
[19:50] <douglas-quaid> @veegee, i thought they were pretty much the same thing
[19:51] <veegee> I know it was recommended to use aptitude some time ago
[19:51] <MrElendig> veegee: apt :)
[19:51] <douglas-quaid> apt should suffice
[19:51] <veegee> ok thanks
[19:51] <MrElendig> as in apt not apt-get
[19:51] <veegee> Yeah I know
[19:51] <veegee> I'm just updating my old server to 18.4.2. Another server that has a fresh 18.4.2 installation is using netplan, but the upgraded one is still using /etc/interfaces
[19:51] <ioria> douglas-quaid, don't you have an option in gnome-tweaks ? also gsettings should tell
[19:52] <douglas-quaid> not in 19.04 no - there's no option
[19:52] <douglas-quaid> also I thought gnome removed the icons by default so im guessing the ubuntu devs put them back in?
[19:52] <OerHeks> systemsettings gives an auto hide of those icons-panel
[19:53] <douglas-quaid> @OerHeks, isn't systemsettings a KDE program?
[19:54] <leftyfb> !ubuntu+1 | douglas-quaid
[19:54] <veegee> What's the point of netplan? What functionality does it bring that ifupdown didn't?
[19:54] <ioria> douglas-quaid, gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons      what tells ?
[19:55] <douglas-quaid> @ubottu, leftyfb duly noted, thank you both
[19:55] <ioria> douglas-quaid, set it to 'false'
[19:56] <douglas-quaid> @ioria, gsettings returns: No such key show-desktop-icon
[19:56] <ioria> ho, really ?
[19:56] <douglas-quaid> oops i realise the typo, 1 sec
[19:56] <douglas-quaid> missing the s
[19:56] <ioria> ah
[19:57] <douglas-quaid> OK i set it to false - im guessing i need to login again as the icons currently remain
[19:57] <douglas-quaid> brb
[19:57] <ioria> nope
[19:57] <douglas-quaid> ah
[19:57] <douglas-quaid> thanks - spared me the hassle
[19:57] <Joel> in 18.04, in the file browser, the buttons are in the title bar, is there a preference I can set somewhere to stop this behaviour?
[19:57] <douglas-quaid> gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons, now returns false
[19:58] <douglas-quaid> @Joel, not to my knowledgeno
[19:59] <ioria> douglas-quaid, odd
[19:59] <douglas-quaid> i'll try a logoff for good measure
[20:00] <douglas-quaid> ohh so close - the icons didn;t show and I thought we had it, but then they popped back in
[20:01] <Joel> That's a shame, there's just not enough contrast for me to see them
[20:01] <douglas-quaid> @Joel, perhaps a different theme might serve you better
[20:03] <rapidwave> The Default PDF VIewer (Okular I think) shows menus and their items in a way I can barely even see them. How do I fix that?
[20:03] <Joel> https://askubuntu.com/questions/961161/how-do-i-disable-client-side-decoration-globally-in-gnome
[20:04] <Joel> looks like it's doable, thankfully
[20:05] <douglas-quaid> @Joel, interesting although potentially buggy/hacky - let us know how you get on :)
[20:05] <leftyfb> rapidwave: the default pdf viewer in vanilla Ubuntu is evince. It looks fine to me
[20:05] <rapidwave> I think I'm using Xubuntu
[20:06] <douglas-quaid> @rapidwave, i think you may need to switch rooms if running xubuntu
[20:06] <leftyfb> rapidwave: what version of ubuntu are you running? Do you have your scale beyond 100% in your display settings? Do other apps have the same issue?
[20:06] <rapidwave> The application menu icon is a bare-foot
[20:07] <NorthwestVegan> i have atril on xubuntu
[20:07] <NorthwestVegan> for pdf
[20:07] <rapidwave> How do I make Ubuntu use FoxitReader for all PDFs?
[20:08] <leftyfb> rapidwave: you might be better served in #xubuntu
[20:09] <douglas-quaid> @rapidwave, also isn't foxit a windows application? if you really want to use that you could try wine, but ymmv
[20:09] <NorthwestVegan> if you right click, open with, then check the use as defualt checkbox
[20:11] <OerHeks> rapidwave, choose open with other applicatio > choose foxitreader , and it should remember
[20:15] <dc> hi my caps lock key is locked on. its not the keyboard. i plugged in a new one and its still on
[20:16] <leftyfb> OerHeks: they're gone. And foxitread is not an ubuntu application
[20:16] <dc> only tweak i have made related to this was remapping caps lock to esc at some point
[20:16] <dc> i am having to type this message holding down shift :(
[20:17] <dc> oh wow, that's weird. hitting esc is toggling caps lock lol
[20:17] <xut_> Sorry to say this, but that's a pretty funny problem
[20:17] <douglas-quaid> haha i was going to say the same
[20:17] <OerHeks> best problems fixes themselves
[20:17] <dc> this is life and death!
[20:18] <dc> my little pinkie finger is going to be so strong though holding down shift
[20:18] <xut_> haha
[20:18] <dc> okay i see the problem here, the tweak in gnome-tweaks swaps them
[20:18] <dc> i would in fact want them both to function as esc :)
[20:19] <dc> suggestions welcome
[20:19] <OerHeks> dc, hilarious.. why do you think that is a real option?
[20:19] <dc> OerHeks: why do i think what is a real option?
[20:23] <xut_> dc: why don't you release your finger and start typing here.
[20:24] <dc> xut_: pressing esc has released me from this pain
[20:24] <dc> alas, i would like to fix that behaviour now
[20:24] <xut_> oh wow
[20:25] <douglas-quaid> @dc it just sounds like you've remapped the ESC key and need to map it back to CAPS
[20:26] <douglas-quaid> so just...undo what you did? lol
[20:26] <douglas-quaid> ahh soz you want them to both function as the ESC key?
[20:27] <dc> douglas-quaid: i have used gnome tweaks to swap them
[20:27] <dc> i had misread the option
[20:27] <dc> i want them both to be esc
[20:27] <douglas-quaid> yes - sorry i re-read what you said
[20:27] <dc> I haven't had a single situation of over 25 years of computer usage where I would want to caps lock ;)
[20:27] <douglas-quaid> haha you know what, i can totally relate to that
[20:28] <dc> My muscle memory is mapped to the caps lock key as esc now, havign used a macbook pro touchbar for a while now
[20:28] <dc> But still, i would hope my esc key could behave :)
[20:29] <dc> ah, there is another option there i missed :)
[20:29] <douglas-quaid> since purchasing a mechanicANICAL KEYBOARD, IM FOREVER HITTING IT BY MISTAKE
[20:29] <xut_> hahaha
[20:29] <douglas-quaid> :D
[20:29] <dc> Physically remove the key?
[20:30] <dc> Although it does make an excellent esc key, i promise!
[20:30] <douglas-quaid> not a bad option - these do pop off
[20:30] <douglas-quaid> @Dc i might just try that
[20:30] <douglas-quaid> and thus we come full circle
[20:30] <douglas-quaid> how does one do that
[20:31] <dc> gnome tweaks > keyboard * mouse > additional layout options > caps lock behaviour
[20:31] <dc> be sure to read it properly, unlike what i did
[20:31] <dc> otherwise who knows what you end up swapping it with
[20:32] <douglas-quaid> nice1
[20:32] <douglas-quaid> i have a colleague who toggles the caps lock when typing in passwords...
[20:32] <analogical> how I change dns server from the terminal?
[20:33] <douglas-quaid> i have explained the shift key but aparently its "easier"
[20:33] <douglas-quaid> @analogical, edit resolv.conf
[20:33] <OerHeks> analogical, from networkmanager or netplan?
[20:33] <douglas-quaid> from a terminal /etc/resolv.conf contains the dns settings
[20:34] <douglas-quaid> but beware if running a gui as it may get overwritten by networkmanager and friends
[20:34] <davr0s> what are the chances of getting a global menu back with gnome-shell etc
[20:34] <OerHeks> that file says: do not edit
[20:35] <douglas-quaid> @davr0s, i think there is a gnome extension for that
[20:35] <dc> you can change your dns using settings > network and clicking settings next to the active connection too
[20:35] <dc> on the ipv4 and ipv6 tabs
[20:36] <douglas-quaid> @dc have you been using linux long?
[20:36] <dc> on and off for some time, switched my media machine properly last week which is the one im playing with now
[20:37] <douglas-quaid> macos is not too different really
[20:37] <dc> sure :)
[20:38] <analogical> in the text editor "nano" how do I save the open file and close the app?
[20:38] <OerHeks> davr0s, install gnome-tweak-tool,  gnome-shell-extentions, enable hotcorners, and enable in tweak the 'application menu'
[20:38] <dc> although the majority of things i have tweaked on here are gui-powered on osx
[20:38] <douglas-quaid> @OerHeks, Ctrl+O (as in for write OUT)
[20:39] <douglas-quaid> @Dc yes indeed - need to get your hands dirty with linux
[20:39] <analogical> in the text editor "nano" how do I save the open file and close the app??
[20:40] <ledeni_> analogical, 'ctrl+x' will lead you how
[20:40] <dc> I prefer a world where I don't need to get my hands dirty
[20:40] <douglas-quaid> hehe
[20:40] <dc> It's nice understanding how things actually work, and I have learned a lot the last week. But I still get triggered by people saying ubuntu is ready for the desktop, which I still think it's not.
[20:41] <leftyfb> analogical: there's literally instructions on how to use nano at the bottom of the terminal when you have it open
[20:41] <douglas-quaid> @dc i agree - linux is not for everybody
[20:41] <douglas-quaid> personally i hope it remains that way
[20:41] <analogical> leftyfb, I don't understand those instruction that's why I'm asking!!
[20:41] <dc> I hope it is one day :)
[20:42] <douglas-quaid> provided we still have the diversity and choice, im all for it
[20:42] <leftyfb> analogical: "Write out" and "exit"?
[20:42] <douglas-quaid> i like to tinker
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> douglas-quaid, dc: Please remember this is a support room only. If you want to just chat, feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic. :)
[20:42] <analogical> How on earth can Write out mean save??
[20:42] <leftyfb> also the ^G for "Get Help"
[20:42] <douglas-quaid> @Eickmeyer, haha oops sorry
[20:42] <douglas-quaid> noted
[20:42] <dc> douglas-quaid: having to learn all the options for nfs shares and sudo vim /etc/exports is a bit too far for my taste :)
[20:43] <analogical> what does the ^ before the O mean?
[20:43] <leftyfb> douglas-quaid: dc: please stay on topic here. Feel free to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:43] <leftyfb> analogical: CTRL
[20:43] <dc> yep. sorry
[20:44] <hggdh> analogical: the key Ctrl on the keyboard
[20:44] <leftyfb> analogical: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Nano/Basics_Guide  # first result on google for "how to use nano"
[20:44] <mloza> hello, i have ubuntu xenial VM that couldn't resolve DNS records. I have a nameserver in 8.8.8.8 in /etc/resolv.conf. I can resolve when I do dig @8.8.8.8 google.ca but with ping/apt i get unkown host
[20:45] <leftyfb> mloza: Do you have any other entries in your resolv.conf ?
[20:45] <mloza> leftyfb:  I only have one nameserver
[20:45] <dont-panic> how would I go about making a login option after bootup to skip display manager launching and go straight to cli?  I'm using i3 but sometimes I just want to use cli instead and decide which later
[20:45] <lordcirth__> mloza, what about 'dig google.ca' without specifying the server?
[20:45] <leftyfb> mloza: is it a server or desktop?
[20:46] <mloza> leftyfb: I get answer with that command
[20:46] <lordcirth__> dont-panic, you could just always boot to cli, then run 'startx' ?
[20:46] <mloza> leftyfb: desktop
[20:46] <mloza> leftyfb: sorry i mean server
[20:46] <mloza> lordcirth__: I get an answer
[20:46] <leftyfb> mloza: Is there any desktop GUI on this machine?
[20:46] <MrElendig> dont-panic: boot with systemd.unit=multi-user.target
[20:46] <ph88> is it better to reinstall or dist upgrade ?
[20:46] <mloza> leftyfb: its a server
[20:46] <leftyfb> mloza: Is there any desktop GUI on this machine?
[20:46] <dont-panic> lordcirth__: yeah, but I was hoping to find a way to just add it to the list like i3
[20:46] <MrElendig> ph88: ymmv
[20:46] <mloza> no GUI
[20:47] <mloza> leftyfb: no GUI
[20:47] <MrElendig> dont-panic: you can add an grub entry for it
[20:47] <dont-panic> MrElendig: that's a great idea actually
[20:47] <leftyfb> mloza: do you get any response running: nmcli device show |grep -i dns
[20:47] <dont-panic> MrElendig: thanks!  I never thought of that one
[20:48] <mloza> leftyfb: nmcli is not installed
[20:48] <leftyfb> dont-panic: what's wrong with just opening a terminal emulator or hitting CTRL+ALT+F1 ?
[20:48] <dont-panic> leftyfb: Trying to conserve battery power when I know I'm about be away from my charger for a while
[20:49] <dont-panic> I have a feeling I'll have more control from grub
[20:51] <dont-panic> now I kind of feel like adding an arch partition for that... Oh the possibilities
[20:52] <leftyfb> mloza: that doesn't make much sense to me. You're running a stock version of ubuntu 16.04, dig works for resolving with a single entry in resolv.conf but pinging the same domain and apt fails to resolve? Something is missing here.
[20:53] <dont-panic> mloza: did you break your sources.list?
[20:53] <leftyfb> dont-panic: that doesn't matter for ping
[20:53] <mloza> dont-panic: no
[20:54] <mloza> let me paste some logs here
[20:54] <mloza> just a sec
[20:54] <jeremy31> Didn't 16.04 have nameserver 127.0.1.1 unless it is something in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:55] <leftyfb> jeremy31: not for server
[20:55] <mloza> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/raw/LR5vTCEW
[20:55] <jeremy31> ok
[20:56] <leftyfb> mloza: try a different DNS server. Try 1.1.1.1. And only put 1 entry. Not 2.
[20:56] <douglas-quaid> @mloza, you do have a connection to the internet right? you can ping 1.1.1.1 too?
[20:57] <mloza> leftyfb: set it to 1.1.1.1 but still getting unkown host
[20:57] <leftyfb> douglas-quaid: dig would fail otherwise
[20:57] <mloza> douglas-quaid: I can ping 1.1.1.1
[20:57] <rfm> mioza, leftyb: if dig works but ping doesn't I would suspect nss switch.  mioza, could you pastebin /etc/nsswitch.conf?
[20:57] <leftyfb> mloza: try: host google.ca 1.1.1.1
[20:57] <leftyfb> rfm: sure, though why would that get modified?
[20:58] <mloza> leftyfb: it resolves
[20:58] <leftyfb> mloza: ok, so dig and host work
[20:58] <mloza> just a sec
[20:58] <leftyfb> mloza: try: host google.ca
[20:58] <mloza> https://pastebin.com/raw/xzP6HYXU
[20:59] <rfm> leftyfb, don't know but "hosts: files" is surely the problem!
[20:59] <leftyfb> mloza: how has this VM been modified?
[20:59] <mloza> host google.ca -- it resolves
[20:59] <R4d0n> when is Ubuntu 19 being released, official date? And will there be a native Bitcoin Wallet?
[21:00] <leftyfb> mloza: you're supposed to have "hosts: files,dns in your /etc/nsswitch.conf. How did that get modified?
[21:00] <nacc> R4d0n: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseSchedule
[21:00] <nacc> R4d0n: although it comes out when it comes out
[21:00] <leftyfb> R4d0n: April 18th. No time specified.
[21:00] <leftyfb> !party | R4d0n
[21:00] <rfm> mioza, leftyb: "hosts: files dns"  -- no comma
[21:01] <leftyfb> oh damn, yup
[21:01] <R4d0n> thanks guys
[21:01] <leftyfb> mloza: this is an unmodified nsswitch.conf https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/49sSqyGy8p/
[21:01] <mloza> leftyfb: no idea. This is a openstack cloud image. I got the image from https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/xenial/current/xenial-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img
[21:02] <mloza> leftyfb: I'm running it in my openstack env
[21:03] <mloza> leftyfb: It works now. Thanks!
[21:03] <leftyfb> rfm: good call
[21:06] <douglas-quaid> what is the purpose of /etc/nsswitch.conf? i dont appear to have that on my system
[21:07] <leftyfb> douglas-quaid: then you're not running ubuntu
[21:07] <douglas-quaid> im using the 19.04 beta - maybe thats why?
[21:08] <leftyfb> douglas-quaid: I'm not sure. It's unreleased and unsupported and not an LTS so I won't be running it.
[21:08] <douglas-quaid> no worries - it's pretty good tho btw
[21:09] <rfm> nsswitch.conf is pretty wired in to glibc so its hard to get rid of .   it's the Name Service switch, and tells gethostbyname which places to look for host names...
[21:10] <douglas-quaid> @rfm, makes sense, thanks
[21:10] <rfm> certainly a nsswitch.conf in my disco beta (server), just checked  (but we now are offcially OT here..)
[21:10] <douglas-quaid> agreed
[21:12] <kadiro> hello, I have trouble with the systemd thinky, the modprobe line seems to be not loaded or ignored, this is my service file: paste.ubuntu.com/p/qdncMt68q5/
[21:15] <tomreyn> run it with -v and optionally redirect output to a file
[21:15] <tomreyn> you might actually want to stuff those commands in a script instead.
[21:16] <tomreyn> (and do some error handling there)
[21:16] <douglas-quaid> oops - my mistake, i do have nsswitch.conf... i just can't type
[21:17] <douglas-quaid> @tomreyn, i was thinking the same, get the bash script working first, then use it in systemd
[21:20] <tomreyn> douglas-quaid: it's great to know i'm not alone there.
[21:37] <linuxuser12> hEY GUYS
[21:39] <jcb2016> dam
[21:40] <jcb2016> anyone help me setup wifi dkms i think with no internet access i was told i can install it through /pool using the gui
[21:40] <linuxuser12> I am not sure if that is possible, did you check Google?
[21:40] <jcb2016> linuxuser12, is that for me?
[21:40] <jeremy31> jcb2016: What wifi?
[21:40] <jcb2016> broadcom jeremy31
[21:41] <jeremy31> jcb2016: did you just install Ubuntu?
[21:41] <linuxuser12> Why are some channels not working and telling me "Cannot send to nick/channel"?
[21:41] <jcb2016> jeremy31, im running it off the live/usb
[21:41] <jcb2016> jeremy31, i want to test usubntu out first but i need wifi drivers to get internet
[21:42] <jonopoly> Tried both Budgie and now im on xubuntu
[21:42] <jeremy31> jcb2016: post URL from terminal for> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:42] <jonopoly> xubuntu seems fastest out of both of them
[21:42] <jcb2016> jeremy31, how can i run the nc command with no internet?
[21:42] <jcb2016> jeremy31, will it still working?
[21:43] <tomreyn> !register | linuxuser12
[21:44] <jeremy31> jcb2016: ok you are on a different device, go to Driver Manager in Software and updates and try the Broadcom Proprietary module
[21:45] <tomreyn> this probably needs to be downloaded and installed, too
[21:46] <jcb2016> jeremy31, it won't update without internet access. can you walk me thorugh what im suppose to do?
[21:46] <tomreyn> jcb2016: you should try to get the computer online by other means first of all. plug in a wire, or use tethering.
[21:47] <jcb2016> tomreyn, i have an iphone can i enable terthering plug it in and it should work?
[21:47] <jeremy31> jcb2016: go into the program menu, search for software and updates, go into driver manager tab and it should have an option to install broadcom proprietary
[21:47] <tomreyn> jcb2016: i'm not familiar with iphones (and tethering there).
[21:47] <veegee> Anyone know of a tool similar to scp to transfer a large file over the network with parallel connections?
[21:48] <tomreyn> veegee: bittorrent.
[21:48] <veegee> I just need a way to have multiple parallel connections. Doesn't need SSH or encryption.
[21:48] <veegee> I'd rather not go the torrent route
[21:49] <veegee> One way is to spawn multiple netcat processes and feed data using dd but it's a nuisance and I'd have to write a script to automate that
[21:50] <tomreyn> a webserver which supports the Range header
[21:51] <veegee> rsync and scp aren't making the best use of my 10gbe interface and no amount of tuning seems to be able to fix it. My disk and memory are definitely not the bottleneck because spawning parallel processes fully loads the 10gbe NIC
[21:51] <linuxuser12> ok
[21:52] <jcb2016> tomreyn, i tethered to my iphone and internet is working
[21:52] <xamithan> There is a parallel command you can use veegee
[21:52] <veegee> yeah gnu parallel won't solve the problem
[21:53] <jeremy31> jcb2016: connect to chat in Ubuntu
[21:53] <veegee> the point is to split the file into multiple segments and serve each segment over a separate TCP connection
[21:53] <jcb2016> jeremy31, ok let me get it intsalled
[21:53] <veegee> I'll just write a program to do it
[21:54] <arooni> how do i get the package i need to run ssh-ping
[21:54] <linuxuser12> Help me please
[21:54] <tomreyn> arooni: what does it do? doesn't seem to be in ubuntu
[21:55] <tatertots> lol
[21:55] <tomreyn> !ask | linuxuser12
[21:55] <arooni> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/cosmic/en/man1/ssh-ping.1.html
[21:55] <linuxuser12> izman help please
[21:55] <tomreyn> tatertots: is it comment time again?
[21:55] <linuxuser12> I am stull getting error
[21:57] <tomreyn> arooni: which ubuntu release do you have there?
[21:57] <arooni> tomreyn: though i cant seem to find the package ssh-tools in 18.04
[21:57] <arooni> i'm running 18.04
[21:57] <tomreyn> right, that's where i checked
[21:57] <jeremy31> jcb2016: just go to https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu
[21:59] <tomreyn> arooni: you can probably achieve the same by running   ssh hostname /bin/true && echo 'Connection successful' ||  echo 'Connection failed'
[22:00] <tomreyn> arooni: you could also look for a !PPA providing the ssh-tools package
[22:00] <arooni> tomreyn: what i'm really interested in is how to measure latency of ssh connections;  sometimes when connecting to a VPS (also running buuntu) the text input is really jerky in vim say
[22:01] <tomreyn> i'd usually use mtr for that
[22:01] <tomreyn> it's icmp, though
[22:02] <tomreyn> tcptraceroute -p 22     does tcp
[22:03] <tomreyn> arooni: those won't immediately cover delay local to the remote server, though, such as I/O or CPU bottlenecks
[22:04] <arooni> tomreyn: fair point.  but in this case remote server system load < 1
[22:04] <arooni> so i was thinking the jerkiness was due to latency
[22:05] <tomreyn> arooni: it surely is, you just need to find out which kind of latency it is, or what introduces it. ;-)
[22:06] <tomreyn> monitor the remote system, and also the network connection. netdata is a possible option for the former, smokeping for the latter.
[22:08] <jcb2016_> hi jeremy31 chatting from ubuntu
[22:09] <jeremy31> jcb2016_: post URL for> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:09] <arooni> tomreyn: thanks i'm a bit of a networking noob
[22:10] <arooni> tomreyn: i'm not sure when you'd use mtr versus tcptraceroute versus netdata and smokeping;  guess i can always crack open the man pages ;P
[22:10] <jcb2016_> jeremy31: https://termbin.com/icu9
[22:11] <jeremy31> jcb2016_: in terminal> sudo apt update && sudo apt install bcmwl-kernel-source
[22:12] <jeremy31> jcb2016_: Wifi should work after that
[22:12] <jcb2016_> jeremy31: can't ran an upgrade already and its taking forever since im tethered to a iphone that is slow in this house. got to let it finish or can i just stop it and run what you said?
[22:12] <jcb2016_> ill stop what im doing jeremy31
[22:13] <tomreyn> arooni: mtr is for ad hoc testing of your route to a remote server and the network latencies there, it is just a slightly better traceroute command (similar to pathping, which is also fine). it sends icmp packets, not tcp packets (ssh is a tcp protocols), but unless you expect that your tcp traffic is handled different than other traffic (e.g. quality of service, national censorship), it should be good enough for this task.
[22:14] <jeremy31> jcb2016_: You should be able to disconnect the phone, go into Software and Updates, Additional Drivers and use the Broadcom Proprietary module
[22:14] <arooni> tomreyn: thanks for the explain it like i'm 5 explanation.  definitely appreciated ! :)
[22:14] <tomreyn> arooni: tcptraceroute tries to achieve the same on the tcp protocol, but this protocol is not as well suited for measuring network latencies as icmp is.
[22:15] <Isaak> it worked thanks jeremy31
[22:16] <jeremy31> jcb2016_: Use the install third party software option when you install
[22:16] <tomreyn> arooni: netdata is a modern (primarily targetting single hosts) service / OS monitoring system, see it's website to get an idea of what it looks like. it's ok if you just need a single system monitored (it doe snot monitor the network link, just what is going on on this system).
[22:17] <arooni> tomreyn: cool; like a light weight nagios
[22:17] <tomreyn> yes, you could say so.
[22:18] <arooni> definitely bookmarking these for future reference.  until i have the pleasure of multiple hosts, i have to build my traffic :P
[22:18] <tomreyn> arooni: and finally smokeping is another web based tool to measure network qulity between different locations. it's maybe a big large for a single use, you'd only want to set it up to constantly monitor performance over a longer time.
[22:25] <nooodlesnodes> how come my external seagate backup drive is read only from a live cd? isnt ntfs-3g installed and functional from a livecd?
[22:28] <xamithan> Are you sure it is ntfs-3g and not the regular ntfs that is read-only.  Did you try to remount with rw ?
[22:28] <tomreyn> nooodlesnodes: i think ntfs-3g is installed and functional on a livecd. your storage may not have been unmounted properly, so that it needs to undergo a file system check now.
[22:33] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting#ntfs-3g_.28previously_also_ntfsprogs.29_-_NTFS_filesystem
[22:35] <Ool> when you mount a ntfs partition, did you have all permition (RWX) ?
[22:40] <arooni> thanks for breaking all those down :)
[22:40] <arooni> tomreyn:
[22:45] <pragmaticenigma> anyone recall a command to reinitialize keyboard shortcuts? Alt + F2 started sending me to TTY2 instead of opening the run dialog
[22:46] <rapidwave> Was Nautilus removed as Ubuntu's default file browser/manager?
[22:47] <kk4ewt> rapidwave;  nautilus is still the default for gnome
[22:47] <kk4ewt> though the call it something else
[22:48] <Ool> pragmaticenigma: do you use KDE ? I heard about the same problem some hours ago… and it simply disapeared
[22:48] <OerHeks> !info nautilus
[22:48] <OerHeks> optional, wrong
[22:48] <pragmaticenigma> Ool: yes, I'm currently on KDE and just ran updates... It's been appearing throughout the day
[22:48] <pragmaticenigma> for others in this channel
[22:49] <pragmaticenigma> I figured it out from the channel logs... running "sudo kbd_mode -s" got back to normal
[22:49] <Ool> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1071847/kubuntu-how-to-remove-altf-keybinding-to-switch-ttys
[22:50] <OerHeks> pragmaticenigma, also a bug in KDE??
[22:50] <pragmaticenigma> It was happening a lot when I first got this machine up and running... haven't had it happen (at least not notice) for quite a while
[22:51] <OerHeks>  "console-setup 1.178ubuntu2.7 and keyboard-configuration 1.178ubuntu2.7" got updated
[22:51] <OerHeks> hmm interesting
[22:52] <pragmaticenigma> yeah, often the problem resolves itself with a reboot, but I'm in the middle of something and don't want to right this moment
[22:53] <Neepu> Hi. Can anyone please help me out, debugging why i cant raise a br0 interface?
[22:53] <Neepu> https://pastebin.com/ahejmCsg
[22:55] <Ool>  bridge_ports none ?
[22:56] <Neepu> hostapd has a bridge parameter that sets it up automaticly
[22:56] <Neepu> The firmware in the bottom of the journalctl logs, is the firmware for wlp4s0 being loaded (that is started via post-up)
[22:57] <Ool> ok it's for wireless, I never try
[23:00] <Neepu> For some reason it works out if i delay br0 with up sleep 30, but it sleeps my entire system.
[23:00] <kraken19> hi
[23:02] <jeremy31> Neepu: That firmware file doesn't exist, not sure why the module looks for it
[23:10] <j0seph> When installing Ubuntu with seperate encrypted LUKS partitions, is it best to have them under one /dev/mapper? Or is it acceptable to have them as such?: https://i.imgur.com/IK05AR9.png I cannot seem to have them under a single mapper as some have shown.
[23:18] <newber> pragmaticenigma, just wanted to let you know I fixed the mouse problem using xinput. I followed the instructions written by zerobandwidth here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/492744/how-do-i-automatically-remap-buttons-on-my-mouse-at-startup. I simply swapped buttons 1 and 3 around in the script. Thanks again for all the help.
[23:32] <TheSilentLink> Anyone w
[23:32] <TheSilentLink> Anyone know roughly what time 1904 releases?
[23:33] <OerHeks> TheSilentLink, no time specified :-D
[23:33] <TheSilentLink> So any time on the 18th?
[23:34] <OerHeks> just hang in there, #ubuntu-release-party
[23:34] <TheSilentLink> Ah thanks didn’t know about that channel
[23:35] <TheSilentLink> Guess it’s time to spam F5