[00:05] <jesica> c
[02:06] <Greenfrog> i lost my show desktop widget in the panel on kubuntu any ideas how i can get it back?
[02:11] <Dragnslcr> Right-click the panel and go to Add Widgets
[02:11] <Greenfrog> i did
[02:11] <Dragnslcr> It will be in there
[02:11] <Greenfrog> its not that i can see
[02:12] <Greenfrog> what would be the name of the widget?
[02:12] <Dragnslcr> If I search for "show", it's listed 3 lines down
[02:12] <Greenfrog> ok let me try that
[02:12] <Dragnslcr> It's called "Show Desktop"
[02:15] <Greenfrog> only thing under "s" is search and system tray
[02:19] <Greenfrog> nope search doesn't show it either
[02:24] <Greenfrog> so i guess thats it? cant get it back?
[02:29] <Greenfrog> i guess my add widgets and search is broken
[02:30] <Greenfrog> no show desktop
[02:44] <Dragnslcr> What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[02:45] <Greenfrog> 18.04
[02:45] <Dragnslcr> !info plasma-widgets-addons bionic
[02:46] <Greenfrog> i got it, had to use discover to install the widget, dont know why but there it was
[02:46] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I would think it's installed by default
[02:46] <Greenfrog> it was on the desktop originally but then disappeared
[02:46] <Dragnslcr> In 18.10, it's in the plasma-widgets-addons package
[02:47] <Dragnslcr> So I was going to suggest installing that package if it wasn't already
[02:47] <Greenfrog> odd that it would be in the panel then gone
[02:47] <Dragnslcr> Unless it got uninstalled somehow
[02:47] <Dragnslcr> I don't know how that would happen, though
[02:47] <Greenfrog> ya i woldnt know how but i hear ya
[02:48] <Greenfrog> i did look for it before in discover but didnt see it
[02:48] <Greenfrog> more than once
[02:49] <Greenfrog> its just odd
[02:49] <Greenfrog> seems to be working fine :)
[02:50] <Dragnslcr> Glad you got it working
[02:50] <Greenfrog> thanks me too, it was annoying not to find it
[02:51] <Dragnslcr> Still wish we could figure out what caused it. Mysteries like that annoy me.
[02:51] <Greenfrog> yes me too
[02:51] <Greenfrog> some quirky things have been happening with this version
[02:52] <Greenfrog> first i thought it was me
[02:52] <Greenfrog> then i knew it wasnt when i paid close attention
[02:52] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, there's always minor annoyances
[02:53] <Greenfrog> i played one of the addon games today when i quit the game my desktop icons were spread over the screen
[02:53] <Greenfrog> yes i hear you
[02:55] <Greenfrog> the hard part is trying to find fixes. the internet does provide answers but most of them are for either another os version or desktop that doesnt match mine
[03:19] <fructose> Is there a way to show a permanent status notification? e.g. like notify but one that won't go away? Alternatively, is there a way to programmatically change (and revert) the color of the taskbar?
[04:51] <Exmix> So can aony help me figure out my eth0 doesn't start upon boot? I have to 'sudo ifconfig eth0 up' everytime I start up.
[04:51] <Exmix> anyone*
[05:05] <valorie> that's really odd
[05:05] <valorie> !ifconfig
[05:05] <valorie> hmm
[05:09] <Exmix> It shows up when running 'ifconfig -a' so it's there, but it just doesn't start on boot. I've hadded it to my '/etc/netowkr/interfaces/ and that doesn't work either. Even after a reboot, 'sudo ifcondif eth0 up' doesn't work. So I need to remove it from the the '/etc/network/interfaces'
[05:10] <valorie> if you are in any hurry for an answer, I would ask in #ubuntu
[05:11] <valorie> I know little to nothing about networking outside of using nmcli a bit
[05:12] <valorie> !info nmcli
[05:12] <valorie> huh
[05:12] <valorie> in any case, I never used sudo with that
[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning
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[10:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:45] <Alexfrench> hello
[11:26] <Alexfrench> hello it is today for 19.04 version too ?
[11:27] <acheronuk> Alexfrench: yes
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Alexfrench, 19.04 is being released  sometime toady ...you can monitor in #ubuntu-release-party
[11:28] <BluesKaj> There is no set time for the release, it'll be out when it's ready.
[11:30] <Alexfrench> is it preferable to do an upgrade or a nex install ?
[11:30] <Alexfrench> new
 I want to remind to anyone wanting to upgrade to 19.04 the next thing: If you have Plasma 5.15 or later (available in Kubuntu Backports) Discover has the ability to notify of distro release upgrades, technically this removes the need of having to enter the do-release-upgrade command in krunner or the terminal. I'll try this today.
[11:40] <BluesKaj> if you have your data backed up a new install is always best , but I haven't had many problems after upgrading directly from one release to thenext
[11:41] <Alexfrench> ok thanks
 @BluesKaj, It is more of a problem if you use Debian, Ubuntu upgrade are a bit safer I think
 @jorgetech_spacebiker, No, Discover can't do that any more. KDE ripped the code that does it out. :(
[12:11] <Greenfrog> hi i'm using deja dup backup in kubuntu 18.04. it just finished a backup but left this error message. backup finished but could not access these files /home/greenfrog/local/share/kcookiejar/cookies whats wrong?
[12:18] <Greenfrog> i have looked i have no /kcookiejar/cookies that i can find
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Greenfrog, most likely that file in  /home/user/.local which is under /home/user hidden files in  Dolphin "View"
[12:21] <Greenfrog> ok, but why does backup say it can access it?
[12:21] <Greenfrog> do i need to change some permission?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> no
[12:21] <Greenfrog> ok so just let the error stand?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> check to se if that cookiejar file even exists\
[12:22] <BluesKaj> see
[12:22] <Greenfrog> change vies to see hidden files?
[12:22] <Greenfrog> view
[12:23] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:23] <Greenfrog> ok i'll try that
[12:23] <BluesKaj> in /home
[12:23] <Greenfrog> got it thanks
[12:24] <tee> hie
[12:25] <Greenfrog> ok now i see it, so backup doesn't need access to that file?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> is there anything in the file?
[12:32] <Greenfrog> the file is there but how do i open it?
[12:33] <Greenfrog> it says access denied
[12:35] <Greenfrog> properties/general/permissions says only the owner can read and write
[12:35] <BluesKaj> check properties and then permissions on that file to see the owner
[12:36] <Greenfrog> i'm there now
[12:36] <Greenfrog> owner/groups/others is greyed out
[12:37] <Greenfrog> under ownership it says user root and group root but no place for change or imput
[12:42] <BluesKaj> in the terminal run, sudo chown -R $USER ~/.local
[12:43] <Greenfrog> ok
[12:44] <Greenfrog> done
[12:44] <Greenfrog> ok that opened it thanks
[12:45] <BluesKaj> that file should be the owned n by the usewr by default , dunno why it was owned by root
[12:45] <Greenfrog> me either
[12:45] <Greenfrog> i can now see the file
[12:46] <Greenfrog> rather now i can read the file
[12:47] <BluesKaj> +all dot files are supposed to be $USER files afaik
[12:48] <Greenfrog> been a few quirks using kubuntu 18.04
[12:49] <Greenfrog> things disappearing, i first thot it was me not paying enuf attention but i started looking and remembering more of what i did and its not me
[12:50] <BluesKaj> others using the pc?
[12:50] <Greenfrog> nope
[12:50] <Greenfrog> i live alone
[12:51] <BluesKaj> yeah, same here
[12:51] <Greenfrog> one reboot my panel turned white with my app menu plus the k logo changed all this just rebooting
[12:51] <Greenfrog> ya so i have no need to lock screen or anyting to prevent others
[12:52] <BluesKaj> that indicates you changed theme settings in system settings
[12:53] <Greenfrog> ok i may have done that seems i remember changing themes but it did nothin right away must have needed reboot to change
[12:53] <Greenfrog> so by the time i rebooted i had forgotten any change
[12:54] <BluesKaj> yes, not always
[12:54] <BluesKaj> no need to reboot that is
[12:54] <Greenfrog> ok then that couldnt be it
[12:54] <Greenfrog> i had the panel disappear twice
[12:55] <Greenfrog> the app menu disconnected a half a doz times
[12:55] <BluesKaj> which gpu and driver?
[12:57] <Greenfrog> intel 8600? nvidia 349.107
[12:58] <Greenfrog> the nvidia driver is working better now its installed but i still get the occasional menu disconnected
[12:58] <BluesKaj> ??
[12:59] <BluesKaj> which nvidia gpu is it?
[12:59] <Greenfrog> so i run killall plasmashell then plasmashell &
[12:59] <Greenfrog> it reconnects the menu to the panel
[12:59] <Greenfrog> ok lemme look
[13:00] <Greenfrog> gforce 9600m gt
[13:01] <BluesKaj> ahh, optimus?
[13:01] <Greenfrog> um sony vaio
[13:01] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:01] <Greenfrog> haha, did i answer that correctly?
[13:02] <Greenfrog> someone suggested that the panel disconnecting may be a but i can live with the temporary fix
[13:03] <Greenfrog> bug but
[13:04] <BluesKaj> some laptops use the uptimus hybrid gpu system, runs fine on windows , but it's tricky on linux.. the intel graphics driver handle low loads and when  higher  gtraphics load appears the nvidia gpu takes over
[13:05] <BluesKaj> err *graphics
[13:05] <BluesKaj> aka Optimus
[13:05] <BluesKaj> !optimus
[13:06] <Greenfrog> ok, this laptop is about 12 yrs old but still works well. i have only used it 2 yrs before moving here and didnt use if for a long time cause it had vista installed
[13:07] <Greenfrog> 18.4" screen 2gigs memory blueray player and 64 bit
[13:07] <Greenfrog> i just didnt have the 3oo dollars ms wanted to upgrade
[13:08] <Greenfrog> i know there can be some issues with older machines but so far i've been lucky
[13:08] <BluesKaj> dunno if that's what you have tho...did the laptop come with nvidia gtaphics or did you add the gpu yourself?
[13:09] <Greenfrog> rypervenchie installed the drivers for me
[13:09] <Greenfrog> they came from a repository i believe
[13:10] <Greenfrog> either that or donloaded from nvidia to work with linux
[13:10] <BluesKaj> I'm talking about the graphics hardware/card , not the drivers
[13:10] <Greenfrog> oh
[13:10] <Greenfrog> the gpu is the original
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Greenfrog, ok , run this, then pastebin the output, sudo lshw -C video
[13:13] <BluesKaj> !paste
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Greenfrog,^
[13:13] <Greenfrog> yes i see
[13:14] <Greenfrog> i have already used both for other things
[13:15] <Greenfrog> and i'm running kubuntu 18.04 LTS
[13:18] <BluesKaj> 2GB ram is little low for running kde/plasma full bore, but if you don't have too many apps open simltaneously then you should be fine
[13:21] <Alexfrench> you can add the ram ?
[13:22] <Alexfrench> i had 4 gb on my hp and it ran well
[13:22] <Greenfrog> i dunno 2gigs may be the limit i havent found a definite answer
[13:22] <BluesKaj> have you run the command  Greenfrog?
[13:23] <Greenfrog> no, i cant remember the command
[13:23] <BluesKaj> it's listed above , just copy and paste it
[13:23] <Greenfrog> ok
[13:24] <BluesKaj> sudo lshw -C video
[13:25] <Greenfrog> yes i did run that, but you also asked to paste thats the command i cant remember
[13:26] <Greenfrog> ok got ubuntu pastebin
[13:26] <BluesKaj> copy and paste the output  in  https://paste.ubuntu.com  then copy the resulting url and paste it here
[13:28] <Greenfrog> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k2kW2Dcg8y/
[13:30] <BluesKaj> ok the default HW  gpu is nvidia ...not a hybrid
[13:30] <Greenfrog> right
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Greenfrog  you just need a some more RAM and your lartop will run very nicely on kde/polasma IMO
[13:32] <Greenfrog> that would be great
[13:32] <Greenfrog> how do i find out what is the max ram?
[13:33] <Greenfrog> i know my model
[13:33] <BluesKaj> your laptop specs sheet should tell how much memeory it can accommodate
[13:34] <BluesKaj> or google your model
[13:34] <Greenfrog> ya well, i cant find the docs that came with it, its here some where but since the move i cant find it
[13:34] <Greenfrog> i have but i'll try again
[13:36] <Greenfrog> HA crucial has this info
[13:37] <BluesKaj> probly 8GB
[13:37] <Greenfrog> Sony VAIO VGN-AW190  but adds CTO
[13:37] <Greenfrog> yes it says 8
[13:38] <Greenfrog> memory
[13:38] <Greenfrog> Slots: 2 (2 banks of 1)
[13:38] <Greenfrog> Maximum Memory: 8GB
[13:38] <Greenfrog> *Not to exceed manufacturer supported memory.
[13:38] <Greenfrog> Standard Memory: 2GB removable
[13:38] <BluesKaj> 8GB would be plenty
[13:39] <BluesKaj> breath new life into your laptop
[13:39] <Greenfrog> that would be wonderful, i was just scared that the 'cto' at the end of the model would not be my laptop
[13:40] <Greenfrog> what do they mean cto? do you know?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> not to worry check this,  https://www.mrmemory.co.uk/memory-ram-upgrades/sony/vaio-laptop/vgn-aw190-cto
[13:43] <Greenfrog> ok thanks
[13:48] <Greenfrog> uh, cough, 8 gb from crucial is almost 100 bucks
[13:49] <Greenfrog> it won't be this month
[13:53] <Greenfrog> wow what a price change: hynix from newegg 6.99 / Lot for samsung from ebay 4.69 any idea why these are so cheap?
[13:57] <Greenfrog> nevermind they are 2gb chips
[14:01] <Greenfrog> ok i bookmarked it i'll put it on my christmas list. thanks for the help
 19.04 ist out
[14:11] <BluesKaj> no kubuntu images yet
[14:16] <OerHeks> BluesKaj, i see it here, and torrents >> https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[14:17] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, ok good, thanks :-)
[14:24] <est31> I can't upgrade yet either
[14:27] <acheronuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[14:27] <acheronuk> "Note: Upgrades may not become available until several days after the official release. "
[14:29] <Greenfrog> 19.04 isnt LTS right?
[14:30] <est31> no
 @acheronuk, ah, thanks for the clarification. I'll have to bottle my excitement and wait patiently! Well done to you and all who worked to put out this release! Thank you!
[14:32] <est31> acheronuk: I'm patient
 Thanks a lot. Really appreciate your efforts.
[14:33] <est31> acheronuk: not sure that I'm waiting on some upgrade in the new 19.04 release anyway
[14:33] <est31> I do wait for some upgrades but iirc they didnt make it into 19.04
[14:33] <est31> hostapd update and networkmanager update
 @est31, Ah, what do those updates bring?
[14:34] <est31> WPA3 !
[14:34] <est31> hostapd needs to be pointing to an unreleased version in git
[14:34] <est31> as for networkmanager, not sure what the minimum release is
[14:37] <est31> hmmm network manager 16.0 would already do
[14:37] <est31> which already ships with ubuntu 19.04
[14:37] <est31> so that's good
[14:37] <est31> so only hostapd remains
[14:37] <est31> debian already has the updated hostapd
[14:38] <est31> so 19.10 it is then :)
[15:12] <epane> Why does do-release-upgrade on Kubuntu 18.10 yield "No new release found." at the moment although 19.04 is out now?
[15:13] <Eickmeyer> epane: You might have to do an "apt update/upgrade" first to refresh your cache.
[15:14] <epane> I did, even apt dist-upgrade
[15:15] <Eickmeyer> epane: Then it might just need time to propogate to your mirror. Have patience, it will happen.
[15:16] <epane> ok, I will try again tomorrow, thanks!
[15:16] <acheronuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[15:16] <acheronuk> "Note: Upgrades may not become available until several days after the official release. "
[15:18] <Alexfrench> cool
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> acheronuk: Yeah, I feel like a noob now. :/
[15:18]  * Eickmeyer totally knew that
[15:19] <acheronuk> Eickmeyer: np. FYI, release team don't switch on upgrades for a bit until they are reasonable sure there are not big upgrade bugs hidign anywhere
[15:20]  * acheronuk cringes at that mistyped sentence
[15:21] <dax> Eickmeyer: fun additional fact! the update tool pulls the list of available releases from the meta-* files on http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/ , it doesn't go through APT
[15:21] <dax> so if you go to that URL you can see what's enabled for LTS and non-LTS, with and without -d
[15:22] <Eickmeyer> acheronuk, dax: Yeah, I totally knew that too.
[15:22] <Eickmeyer> I was just on autopilot.
[15:42] <BluesKaj> anyway the new Kubuntu release image is available here for those who want to do a clean install https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[15:43] <BluesKaj> as OerHeks pointed out earlier
[15:44] <OerHeks> "Note: Upgrades may not become available until several days after the official release. "
[16:39] <niggolas-M> <OerHeks ""Note: Upgrades may not become a"> Stupid question. When upgrading with the -d flag (which I am doing right now) will I receive the final version or some RC? And in case the latter is true, is it sufficient to do a apt-get dist-upgraee later?
[16:46] <acheronuk> niggolas-M: you will get the newest package in the disco archive, so what is released. if they have an unnoticed upgrade bug, you will get that too.
[16:46] <acheronuk> which is why they don't immediately turn on upgrades without the -d!
[16:50] <niggolas-M> Thank you. This is my production machine which I use for work, but I have taken a full backup, so I am confident that that will be good enough for me.
[16:51] <niggolas-M> <niggolas-M "Thank you. This is my production"> acheronuk: Thank you. This is my production machine which I use for work, but I have taken a full backup, so I am confident that that will be good enough for me.
[17:49] <brumbelberry> hi i have a question abou qaptworker3
[17:49] <brumbelberry> that i just standard in kubuntu right?
[17:50] <brumbelberry> because whenever i start up the computer i get a popup with it asking for permission to intall or remove packages
[17:51] <brumbelberry> qapt-batch --install language-pack-gnome-en
[17:51] <brumbelberry> and specifically qapt-batch --install language-pack-gnome-en
[17:51] <brumbelberry> qapt-batch --install language-pack-gnome-en
[17:51] <brumbelberry> and then it is asking speciffically for language pack genome en
[17:51] <brumbelberry> didnt mean to spam that three times
[17:51] <brumbelberry> can i jst trust this?