[07:21] <knome> ugh, gutenberg
[07:26] <knome> pleia2, where's the docs?
[07:29] <knome> do we really even have changed since 1810, eg. could we just symlikn?
[07:29] <knome> symlink too
[07:30] <knome> ^ doing that
[07:30] <knome> the website is in an "ok" state now ;)
[07:44] <knome> bug #1825475, bug #1825478
[11:46] <Spass> Adwaita GTK changed in disco, and it seems like Xubuntu disco has new GTK3 styling, but old GTK2 styling for Adwaita, look here - https://ibb.co/BsZ9TMc
[11:46] <Spass> new Adwaita has more brownish color scheme, old is more blueish
[11:47] <Spass> but I need to confirm that on a fresh install also, maybe it's specific to my configuration
[11:52] <brainwash> Spass: isn't xfwm4-settings still a gtk2 app?
[11:52] <brainwash> xfwm is still on 4.12, and not 4.13
[11:53] <Spass> looks like it, that's why the styling is not right, Adwaita GTK2 uses old colors, while new Adwaita (GTK3) is different now, so GTK3 and GTK2 apps look different
[11:56] <Spass> so this looks deprecated - "/usr/share/themes/Adwaita-dark/gtk-2.0"
[11:56] <Spass> "This is the GTK+ 2 version of Adwaita. It's whole purpose is to look as the GTK+ 3 version as much as possible until GTK+ 2 dies completely."
[12:09] <bluesabre> Spass: Yeah, I'm pretty sure the gtk2 theme is no longer maintained. It's been getting further away from the gtk3 theme over the years, and the color change was probably the final break :)
[12:10] <Spass> yeah, good buy Adwaita then :) good that I have trillion other great themes to choose
[17:16] <pleia2> twitter and fb updated
[17:17] <Spass> rip google+
[17:18] <pleia2> heh :)
[17:18] <Spass> oh wow, I just saw what I wrote before, goodbye* ;)
[20:43] <ali1234> Spass can you recommend a theme that has light panels?
[20:47] <Spass> ali1234, sure, I don't usually use themes with light panels and there aren't too many of them (good ones), but try Plata-Lumine-Compact - https://gitlab.com/tista500/plata-theme
[20:49] <Spass> and there's also Mojave Light - https://github.com/vinceliuice/Mojave-gtk-theme
[20:50] <ali1234> okay testing
[20:50] <ali1234> plata takes a ridiculously long time to compile
[20:54] <ali1234> plata doesn't install properly
[20:56] <Spass> hmm, well you could download it from here and extract the .deb (or just install of course) - https://launchpad.net/~tista/+archive/ubuntu/plata-theme/+build/16649823
[21:01] <ali1234> ochosi: i just found something regarding the "empty space in panel" thing
[21:02] <ali1234> i have an empty space on one virtual desktop, and on another i have a random button that fits in the empty space. and it draws *over* the other buttons on that panel
[21:03] <ali1234> and it happened when changing the gtk theme - changing it again made the problem go away
[21:06] <ali1234> with mojave the menus are all messed up https://i.imgur.com/MSfNKUS.png
[21:06] <ali1234> and i havent seen vertical alignment this bad since the last time i installed kde https://i.imgur.com/2kjocWw.png
[21:06] <ali1234> it does however have a light panel so that is something
[21:11] <ali1234> plata has dark panels and apparently no gtk2 variant and just generally looks broken https://i.imgur.com/xzy1yc1.png
[21:12] <ali1234> got any more for me to try?
[21:12] <ali1234> plata looks like it would be good if it worked
[21:13] <Spass> Plata looks fine on my Xubuntu, do you have pixbuf and murrine engines installed?
[21:13] <Spass> speaking about KDE. you can try Breeze light GTK theme, it should be in the repos
[21:15] <Spass> oh, and Breeze has its own Xfwm theme, it's in a separate package, I think
[21:15] <ali1234> yes i have pixbuf and murrine engines installed
[21:21] <ali1234> breeze isn't bad. you can definitely tell it is a KDE theme though - everything is misaligned
[21:22] <ali1234> it is at least usable if adwaita stops working though
[21:25] <Spass> something is wrong with your Plata theme for sure, you should see 6 variants of that theme on the list, how did you install it?
[21:27] <Spass> https://i.imgur.com/fTsTK4V.png
[21:27] <ali1234> i installed sassc, ran autogen.sh, then make, then DESTDIR=~/.local/share/themes make install, then mv ~/.local/share/themes/usr/share/themes/Plata ~/.local/share/themes
[21:28] <ali1234> and no i only see one, Plata
[21:32] <ali1234> ah i see the problem
[21:32] <ali1234> i only copied one of the themes it installed
[21:32] <Spass> yeah, there are 6 folders there
[21:32] <Spass> 6 variants
[21:33] <ali1234> so "Plata-Lumine" actually has light panels and does not randomly draw the menus black
[21:33] <Spass> Plata-Light-Compact is what you looking for probably, but copy all nonetheless, because some files may be symlinked to main Plata
[21:33] <Spass> (not Light, Lumine)
[21:33] <ali1234> i can't understand why anyone would want their menus to randomly be black, but this seems to be the only difference in -Lumine
[21:34] <ali1234> no, it says Lumine on mine
[21:34] <Spass> yes, I've made a mistake calling it Light
[21:35] <ali1234> also every single one of these themes makes the panel have bold text in random places?
[21:35] <ali1234> adwaita doesn't do that?
[21:36] <ali1234> and still the plata gtk2 theme doesn't work
[21:41] <ochosi> ali1234: that finding about "empty panel space" sounds weird. not sure what to make of it tbh...
[21:42] <ochosi> if you have a meaningful conclusion / hint for me, lemme know :)
[21:43] <Spass> ali1234, yeah it uses bold text in too many places, it's really hard to find a really refined theme with light panels, that works good on Xfce unfortunately
[21:43] <ali1234> it seems definitely related to workspaces, perhaps they are not recalculated properly in some cases
[21:44] <ali1234> i think what happened is that firefox moved workspace due to raising itself because i clicked on the imgur link in the screenshot tool
[21:45] <ali1234> and the panel saw that and moved the button but did not recalculate the positioning
[21:45] <ali1234> then when i changed theme it recalculated everything
[21:47] <ali1234> Spass mojave seems like the best one i tried so far... everything works except the weird menu spacing which looks like a drop shadow problem to me
[23:15] <Spass> disco dingo really doesn't like Plank :/ it keeps crashing when I want to move an item, probably related to that 0x0 Xorg bug and "GDK_CORE_DEVICE_EVENTS=1"