[00:02] <texla> tomreyn, found an entry quiet splash in kernel log and also in /etc/default/grub searched all logs
[00:02] <Pharaoh> Any idea on 19.04 chrome/flash blocked?
[00:13] <MarkB2> Oh for... <sigh>  Ledani, it looked like it would work... but now the system is reporting the wrong version of java is installed.
[00:14] <MarkB2> I did run the alternatives script and it says it found the version of java installed... but another package says, "Sorry, can't find oracle java".  Grrrr.
[00:26] <dont-panic> where would I find libsdl1.2.so.0 or whatever on my 18.04 install?
[00:27] <dont-panic> or if anyone knows how to get dwarf fortress with tilesets working, that would be awesome.  I'm losing my mind over this
[00:55] <Guest46438> How to install xorg and fluxbox ? I used to use 'sudo apt install xorg fluxbox' after base system was installed(18.04). But now i use 19.04. That command will install gnome.
[01:07] <Pharaoh> Any idea on 19.04 chrome/flash blocked?
[01:10] <Pharaoh> Any idea on ubuntu 19.04 desktop shortcuts?
[01:26] <MarkB2> Argh.  Found my problem.  The last update and upgrade cycle installed openjdk-11 ... but seems to have missed updating /etc/profile.d/jdk.sh and /etc/profile.d/jdk.csh .
[01:27] <angelcom> lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999  <---- this command open my 9999 port to termbin.com?
[01:27] <MarkB2> So while Openjdk-11 is installed, environment variables are referring to a place that doesn't exist.
[01:27] <angelcom> help me
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[01:35] <C4CyD3x> helo
[01:39] <atheodo> hi, if i want to install evolution on my ubuntu, do I just do an apt-get install evolution, after I check for the latest updates?
[01:39] <tatertots> Pharaoh: did you figure it out?...
[01:40] <Pharaoh> @tatertots - not yet... It works for firefox (npapi) and not for chrome (ppapi)
[01:40] <tatertots> Pharaoh: close chrome
[01:41] <johnjay> hi, the official requirements for ubuntu 18.04/19.04 are for 2Ghz or better and 2GB of ram or better
[01:41] <Pharaoh> @tatertots.. done
[01:41] <atheodo> by the way ubuntu never installed on my dell laptop no matter what
[01:41] <tatertots> Pharaoh: in terminal>  google-chrome --disable-extensions
[01:41] <atheodo> ahem, I was able to install fedora without any issues though :-)
[01:41] <johnjay> is that because of the desktop? can I use xfce4 and make do with less? i want to install on an older PC with just 1GB of ram
[01:41] <tatertots> Pharaoh: test the same sites you were testing prior
[01:42] <tatertots> Pharaoh: report results, not opinion of result just result
[01:42] <Pharaoh> @tatertots.. that didn't help much
[01:44] <tatertots> Pharaoh: what does this say about your configuration?  https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html
[01:44] <stevendale> johnjay Hey
[01:44] <johnjay> hi
[01:44] <stevendale> Yes it's desktop specific
[01:44] <Pharaoh> @tatertots - same as earlier. I enable flash, it brings up the page asking to right click to enable flash. when i try to "run f;lash this time" nothing happens
[01:44] <stevendale> Though I wouldn't recommend anything Ubuntu on 2 GB
[01:44] <stevendale> Go for Debian
[01:44] <johnjay> i thought about downloading ubuntu server and just installing lxde or xfce4 too. since my bandwidth is alost limited
[01:45] <johnjay> are there considerations besides the desktop environment?
[01:45] <stevendale> johnjay Don't use server for that
[01:45] <stevendale> Use mini.iso
[01:45] <tatertots> Pharaoh: it says it's installed but disabled correct? yes or screen shot to imgur.com
[01:45] <Pharaoh> @tatertots Your Flash Version	
[01:45] <Pharaoh> Flash Player disabled
[01:46] <tatertots> "pre installed" is the verbatim terminology used on https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html
[01:46] <tatertots> if you are not seeing that then i'm going to pass you to someone else
[01:47] <johnjay> stevendale: i don't see mini anywhere on the download page?
[01:47] <stevendale> johnjay https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[01:47] <stevendale> Because it's not
[01:47] <johnjay> thx
[01:47] <johnjay> but to my earlier question
[01:48] <johnjay> is there some other concern than the DE that makes it better to use a different distro in your mind?
[01:48] <johnjay> the kernel mem size?
[01:48] <stevendale> johnjay Generally the Linux kernel is different depending on the distribution
[01:49] <stevendale> They compile different modules
[01:49] <Pharaoh> @tatertots - exactly as you said. So, Yes!
[01:51] <lyes> i55554444juiuiivbcvbng
[01:52] <lyes> sorry
[01:52] <OerHeks> johnjay, polling other distro is offtopic, there is a flavor wiki page
[01:52] <OerHeks> !flavor
[01:53] <johnjay> OerHeks: i'm just asking for clarification. does ubuntu have any advantages or disadvantages for an old pc with less ram
[01:53] <OerHeks> johnjay, no, but i like to see a benchmark :-)
[01:54] <donofrio> in ubuntu I need the firefox sync config info what file(s) would I scp to a new ubuntu install?
[02:00] <atheodo> johnjay you still here?
[02:05] <iCherry> Alright so uhh
[02:05] <iCherry> updating to 19.04 via update-manager
[02:06] <iCherry> the window "Do you want to start the upgrade" is taller than my monitor
[02:06] <iCherry> so i cant press the ok button, and its not a resizable window either
[02:07] <iCherry> ah, managed via rmb and move
[02:07] <OerHeks> best problems fixes themselves
[02:07] <atheodo> 19.04 is a non lts release right?
[02:08] <OerHeks> yes
[02:09] <atheodo> i want to stay on the lts, so hopefully the updater won't update me
[02:10] <jcotton> it won't
[02:10] <jcotton> you can tell it to look for non-lts, but it doesn't by default
[02:11] <OerHeks> leave upgrades settings LTS > LTS
[02:22] <timdotrb> Evening, all. I'm having an issue changing the MySQL data directory. We had to add additional storage to our server, and that additional storage is mounted under /mnt. I've migrated all of the data to the new drive, and updated the MySQL config, but when I attempt to start MySQL - I get a permissions error. I first tried having permissions set to 700 with mysql:mysql as the owner, but that didn't work. I have since tried going as far as making the entir
[02:22] <timdotrb> e /mnt directory 777, but I'm still getting a permissions error?
[02:24] <timdotrb> We're running Ubuntu 18.04 and MySQL 5.7.25
[02:33] <ryuo> timdotrb: i'm not an expert on such an advanced operation, but try here: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/multiple-data-directories.html
[02:34] <ryuo> it sounds like it may require modifications to the service file.
[02:47] <timdotrb> ryuo, thanks, but no dice :( still getting permissions errors
[02:56] <{xmb}> hello kind pro ubuntu folks, please in which package do i find /etc/rc.local running
[02:59] <Bashing-om> {xmb}: Can you be nore specific: " ls -al /etc/rc.local >> ls: cannot access '/etc/rc.local': No such file or directory" .
[03:00] <{xmb}> yeah i only know debian and also not which package, but one contains it and makes it work
[03:01] <{xmb}> i dunno if i make a new /etc/rc.local and reboot if that works without that package, but i currently cant try
[03:01] <{xmb}>  /etc/rc.local is old way of running like #!/bin/bash at startup
[03:01] <{xmb}> bootup*
[03:01] <sebsebseb> hi
[03:01] <{xmb}> hii
[03:02] <{xmb}> !apt-file /etc/rc.local
[03:02] <sebsebseb> what about it ?
[03:02] <{xmb}> i need to know in which package i can find it
[03:02] <sebsebseb> oh
[03:03] <jcotton> dpkg -L can do that for installed ones iirc
[03:03] <sebsebseb> I think a few programs have a rc local, looks familur, not sure quite  though
[03:03] <{xmb}> its not about installed, in total, sec, gotta check if ubuntu got apt-file
[03:04] <sebsebseb> oh right ok
[03:06] <{xmb}> ok theres apt-file ill search on it
[03:08] <{xmb}> only fai-doc has it, from apt-cache show its something like this, but i thought it'd say sysvutils or something
[03:08] <{xmb}> it has ../examples/rc.local/<two files>
[03:08] <{xmb}> not sure, u dunno also, ah well thanks you kindly folks
[03:13] <analogical> when using rsync how do I type names of source folders when the name of a source folder contain spaces and & symbols?
[03:14] <{xmb}> u quote em in ' or " or use \ \
[03:14] <{xmb}> a\ file\ is
[03:14] <{xmb}> you can, put em in a bash array, arr=( *files* ); then access via "${arr[@]}"
[03:15] <{xmb}> id use tab completition
[03:15] <{xmb}> rsync <opts> <beginning_of_filename><tab> <next-one>
[03:22] <analogical> xMopx, I think you misunderstood me I'm was talking about folder names not file names
[03:22] <{xmb}> thats all the same
[03:23] <xMopx> i heard u loud and clear analogical
[03:23] <xMopx> fite me irl
[03:23] <analogical> the source is a remote server via ssh
[03:23] <{xmb}> on the shell, eg bash, a space can be escaped by \, or inside 'a file' quotes or "a file" quotes, and tab completition works best instead of typing out long senseless <whatever>names
[03:25] <analogical> I can't use tab completion cuz I'm not connected until I run the command
[03:25] <{xmb}> ok im sorry, so if they dont contain ' quote em in '
[03:25] <{xmb}> if they contain ' you can $'a filename \'with quotes inside\''
[03:25] <{xmb}> "quotes are also supported"
[03:26] <analogical> in english please
[03:26] <{xmb}> tell me an example filename
[03:28] <{xmb}> scp user@host:'a file with spaces' .
[03:29] <analogical> The Big House [random] Is Full of People & Furniture
[03:29] <{xmb}> 'The Big House [random] Is Full of People & Furniture'
[03:29] <{xmb}> "The Big House [random] Is Full of People & Furniture"
[03:29] <analogical> I already tried that but it didn't work
[03:29] <{xmb}> The\ Big\ House\ \[random\]\ Is\ Full\ of\ People\ \&\ Furniture
[03:30] <{xmb}> your rsync cmdline may be faulty
[03:30] <{xmb}> if u dont care for pub paste it for debug
[03:30] <{xmb}> scp -r user@host:'The Big House [random] Is Full of People & Furniture' /tmp/
[03:30] <{xmb}> if, you type this raw in rsync or scp, it will assume /home/<user>/<this_file>
[03:31] <{xmb}> so it may be in somewhere else u need to type that path too
[03:32] <kinghat> drive 1 has os on it, can i add another os to drive 2 and have it put grub onto drive 1 and then erase drive 2 after?
[03:33] <{xmb}> erase drive 2 after ?
[03:33] <{xmb}> can u rephrase with other words
[03:34] <kinghat> i just want to fix grub on drive 1. havent been able to do it.
[03:34] <{xmb}> whats wrong with it, what os has it
[03:35] <kinghat> let me start over.
[03:35] <{xmb}> yes plz
[03:38] <{xmb}> tell whats wrong with grub ob d1
[03:39] <kinghat> drive 1 has os 1, i installed another drive, drive 2 with os 2. i never used drive 1/os 1 anymore so i wiped it. now there wasnt really grub for drive 2/os 2. i used live cd for boot-repair which only got me to where i had a grub shell and now gui. so i had to manually get to desktop. somehow after trying tons of different things ive got it to wher
[03:39] <kinghat> e there is no grub at all but i just boot directly to system. though the screen flashes a custom background i set with grub customizer before hitting the os loading screen.
[03:40] <{xmb}> try this
[03:40] <kinghat> was asking if i could install an os onto drive 1 since its wiped and have it put grub onto drive 2 w/o jacking up that os and then i can wipe drive 1 again.
[03:40] <{xmb}> u can go to livecd, then mount --bind /sys and /dev and others to root of drive2/os2
[03:40] <{xmb}> then chroot into it, and run grub-install to install everywhere
[03:41] <{xmb}> can you boot it without disconnecting from irc ?
[03:42] <kinghat> i have cloud irc so i can access through my phone
[03:43] <{xmb}> okay well i can help u succeed there
[03:43] <{xmb}> can u also copypaste
[03:45] <{xmb}> so in short its 1) boot livecd 2) mount os2 root to an unused folder, like mkdir /t; mount /dev/sdb1 /t; then a couple of mount --bind; then chroot /t; then (all as root) grub-install command
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[03:45] <{xmb}> alike grub-install --efi-directory=/efi /dev/sd{ab}
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[03:45] <kinghat> probably not from phone to pc terminal
[03:45] <{xmb}> ok well i can still guide u some
[03:50] <kinghat> i should prolly use the same live cd as version im on eh?
[03:50] <{xmb}> how u meaen, ure booted with livecd on the computer already ?
[03:50] <kinghat> i have the live cd but its 19 and im on 18.04
[03:51] <kinghat> does that matter?
[03:51] <kinghat> i thought i read somewhere that you should use a grub of the same version
[03:51] <{xmb}> not much
[03:51] <{xmb}> so u're booted with livecd and irc'ing here ?
[03:51] <crankenstien> gday im tying to ressolve this issue can anyone help  ressolve this See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[03:51] <{xmb}> i can copypaste u the commands u need
[03:51] <kinghat> no im still on drive 2 os
[03:52] <{xmb}> so u can boot, to drive2 at least
[03:52] <{xmb}> you can as root simply run grub-install and it installs it
[03:52] <{xmb}> you just need some params
[03:53] <kinghat> ya i could boot to the os by grub commands and now ive got it so it boots right into the os but there is no grub gui.
[03:53] <Bashing-om> !details | crankenstien
[03:53] <{xmb}> ok well... do u have a update-grub command
[03:54] <kinghat> ya that didnt work
[03:54] <{xmb}> but it recognized drive2 ?
[03:54] <{xmb}> do you have an efi directory ? /efi mostly
[03:54] <kinghat> im on the drive/os, the only os i currently have. which doesnt have grub boot gui for some reason.
[03:55] <{xmb}> it probably doesnt read its configs | tries somewhere else
[03:55] <{xmb}> are your hds /dev/sd[ab]
[03:56] <crankenstien> ubuntu 19.04 will not up date  ubuntu disco-security InRelease   im a noob to linux
[03:56] <{xmb}> crankenstien apt-get update
[03:56] <{xmb}> and see if u have that entry in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:57] <kinghat> {xmb}: https://hasteb.in/susiwepo.coffeescript
[03:57] <crankenstien> i have tried this list sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[03:57] <crankenstien> sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[03:57] <crankenstien> sudo apt-get update
[03:58] <crankenstien> and this 1 sudo apt-get update --allow-unauthenticated
[03:58] <crankenstien> and still wont allow
[03:58] <a_p3rson|D> crankenstien: are you getting an error of some kind?
[03:58] <crankenstien> yes See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[03:59] <crankenstien>  Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[03:59] <{xmb}> kinghat try this command as root; grub-install --efi-directory=/boot/efi /dev/sda /dev/sdb
[03:59] <{xmb}> what is the line looking like crankenstien
[03:59] <a_p3rson|D> crankenstien: can you paste the full output of the command in to something like https://hasteb.in ?
[04:00] <kinghat> the /dev/sda is the drive 1 that was wiped, there isnt anything there.
[04:00] <crankenstien> E: The repository 'https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu disco Release' does not have a Release file.
[04:00] <crankenstien> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[04:00] <crankenstien> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[04:00] <{xmb}> crankenstien see wine docs for the right entry
[04:00] <{xmb}> kinghat it doesnt matter, grub-install is safe
[04:00] <crankenstien> k
[04:01] <{xmb}> and if it doesnt still boot kinghat we have to do this chroot and mount --bind thing
[04:01] <{xmb}> if u just run it via livecd, the update-grub, it doesnt .. do much.., uneed to be chrooted into your system at least
[04:01] <a_p3rson|D> crankenstien: you're missing a trailing slash on that line, iirc
[04:02] <a_p3rson|D> also, did you do the steps for adding the key to your apt keychain?
[04:02] <kinghat> {xmb}: https://hasteb.in/usivukim.sql
[04:02] <{xmb}> ah and crankenstien the 'Release' is a meta file, there is no tree 'Release' in most apt's
[04:03] <{xmb}> ok run it twice, once for sda once for sdb
[04:03] <{xmb}> and if that doesnt work again with chroot and and.. :)
[04:04] <jophish> Hi all
[04:04] <kinghat> ok rebooting
[04:04] <{xmb}> *hopes* for you
[04:04] <{xmb}> hi
[04:06] <analogical> {xmb}, the solution was to use '".........."'
[04:07] <{xmb}> aha, beware of stuff that contains quotes inside, it might break
[04:07] <kinghat> would you look at that! https://irc.kinghat.info/uploads/4cc03fc42eb49fa6/15558196009223620207068986582851.jpg
[04:07] <{xmb}> is that better looking than before?
[04:07] <kinghat> it's the grub gui so yes
[04:08] <{xmb}> neon is your sdb ?
[04:08] <kinghat> lol
[04:08] <kinghat> ya
[04:08] <{xmb}> cool it has .efi entries =p
[04:08] <{xmb}> ok cheers for you
[04:08] <kinghat> but how do I get it so I can wipe drive one and still get the grub gui
[04:09] <{xmb}> im not sure, as it reads grub.cfg
[04:09] <{xmb}> i suggest you 1. boot into neon and then update-grub as root to update grub.cfg boot entry
[04:09] <{xmb}> if you wipe the second os too, maybe it will be that screen, maybe not
[04:10] <{xmb}> you can copy grub directory to efi directory, and if it doesnt work load this menu via cmdline
[04:10] <{xmb}> but iif u wipe os2 u have no os anymore
[04:11] <kinghat> {xmb}: ok here are what my entries look like: https://hasteb.in/avamofoc.yaml
[04:12] <{xmb}> i dunno this efi tool
[04:13] <{xmb}> you can do this:
[04:13] <kinghat> i think it was just: grub-install --efi-directory=/boot/efi this part that made it work. not installing it to the bare drive 1
[04:13] <{xmb}> cd /boot/efi
[04:13] <{xmb}> find -name '*grub*'
[04:13] <{xmb}> yeah first comes efi then comes mbr
[04:14] <kinghat> funny that 2 of the entries worked and 1 didnt. i think it was the ubuntu one that didnt. 1*
[04:14] <{xmb}> you can probably boot into compatibility mode in bios then the mbrs would boot, maybe..
[04:15] <kinghat> there isnt even anything on the drive one so not sure it didnt anything anyways.
[04:16] <{xmb}> anyone know of a change of ubuntu vs debian that makes debian have no matter what a file_open limit but ubuntu doesnt ?
[04:16] <{xmb}> see entry in /boot/efi
[04:16] <{xmb}> they are old entries still on partition efi
[04:16] <kinghat> there are no files on drive 1
[04:16] <{xmb}>  /boot/efi dude
[04:16] <{xmb}> no matter what
[04:17] <{xmb}> you can place windows.efi and it will display that entry ( booti32.efi )
[04:19] <kinghat> i have /boot/efi on drive 2, which im currently on. when we also installed grub to /dev/sda as well it doesnt look like it did anything.
[04:20] <kinghat> https://hasteb.in/ebubalih.gradle
[04:20] <{xmb}> its a safety install
[04:20] <jcb2016> anyone running mate desktop?
[04:20] <kinghat> i dont know what that means
[04:20] <Randune> sup all?..I was just trying to install a game via wine but then I noticed that the wine-mono and wine-gecko packages don't exist...is that something that someone is working on?..or will they ever been in the repos again?
[04:21] <{xmb}> i think wine can download dem, not sure, always worked without dem
[04:21] <{xmb}> check in winesettings or whatever that was called
[04:22] <Bashing-om> !wine | Randune Better asked in ->
[04:22] <{xmb}> go ask in #winehq indeed
[04:29] <jcb2016> just installed ubuntu 18.0.4.2 and my battery is dying really fast. are there some good recommendation like powertop and other things to help control the battery?
[04:30] <{xmb}> make display less bright, check in settings disable bluetooth and nfs and such, ps aux in console and see useless big apps to stop|kill
[04:30] <sebsebseb> jcb2016: and batteris usaully work well with Linux, but can be exceptions to that
[04:31] <{xmb}> there may be a laptop-tools package or similiar named for lowering power usage
[04:31] <kinghat> thats awesome this works now, {xmb}. thanks, i spent like 5+ hours today trying to figure it out.
[04:31] <kinghat> earlier i mean
[04:31] <{xmb}> cheers, peace
[04:32] <kinghat> i think it was this flag: --efi-directory=/boot/efi that did it
[04:32] <kinghat> odd that all those efi boot entries work.
[04:33] <{xmb}> they are bootloader alike entries, no guiarantee they boot an empty partition
[04:36] <kinghat> not sure what you mean but all of these get the grub gui: https://hasteb.in/avamofoc.yaml
[04:40] <{xmb}> ok well good for you, im not so familiar with such, peace :)
[04:41] <kinghat> thanks again!
[04:41] <{xmb}> easy
[04:44] <{xmb}> ubuntu folks, what is the general apt repo without like 'bionic' that updates
[04:44] <sebsebseb> what do you mean ?
[04:45] <{xmb}> bionic is 18 right ?
[04:45] <sebsebseb> !bionic
[04:45] <{xmb}> i mean one that doesnt specify version, just all newest software
[04:45] <sebsebseb> thats not how it works
[04:45] <sebsebseb> or not quite
[04:45] <sebsebseb> each version gets its own repos
[04:45] <{xmb}> well i got this example by debian
[04:46] <{xmb}> instead of specifying names like 'potatoe' or 'stretch' i specify stable/testing/unstable and experimental
[04:46] <sebsebseb> and not just Ubuntu, that will be other distros with repos too, each version has it's own repos
[04:46] <sebsebseb> Debian is a little differnet
[04:46] <{xmb}> hm k
[04:46] <{xmb}> ill read up tomorrow on ubuntu sources to update
[04:46] <sebsebseb> since it doesn't have versions like Ubuntu does and most other distros as well
[04:46] <sebsebseb> instead it has like channels or whatever they are acutsally called
[04:46] <sebsebseb> stable is yep stable
[04:46] <{xmb}> tree's
[04:46] <sebsebseb> testing becomes stable eventually
[04:46] <{xmb}> distribution tree's
[04:47] <sebsebseb> unstable is basically experimental new stuff
[04:47] <{xmb}> stretch would be version 9 or 10 currently
[04:47] <{xmb}> i run all 4 tree's since 2002
[04:47] <{xmb}> im new to ubuntu, only got remote access
[04:47] <sebsebseb> for newer software in Ubunty you could use ppa's or snaps but  you probably don't need newer software most of the time
[04:47] <{xmb}> i need, i cannot live without dem
[04:48] <sebsebseb> and the normal repos only tend to get security or bug fixes once a version is out be that the Long Term Support release or a stable version
[04:48] <sebsebseb> what's dem ?
[04:48] <{xmb}> 'them'
[04:48] <sebsebseb> what !
[04:48] <sebsebseb> no
[04:48] <IamBorg> Hi
[04:48] <{xmb}> new versions
[04:48] <{xmb}> hi
[04:48] <sebsebseb> no you don't need new versions most of the time
[04:48] <sebsebseb> that's what I am saying
[04:48] <sebsebseb> hi IamBorg
[04:48] <{xmb}> i say the reverse
[04:48] <sebsebseb> unless you got specfiic reason
[04:48] <sebsebseb> programs such as ?
[04:48] <Bashing-om> !latest | {xmb}
[04:48] <{xmb}> i am pro coder, new kernel, new libc, bash 5.+, gawk 5+
[04:49] <sebsebseb> indeed to Bashing-om and the bot factoid
[04:49] <{xmb}> this is normal propaganda... like...
[04:49] <IamBorg> Does znc require different setup to connect in irc clients (know this is not the right channel, but I guess some of you use znc)
[04:49] <sebsebseb> maybe for some of that depending on what you are coding etc, but even then, I think a slihgtly older version of those programs would be ok most of the time
[04:49] <{xmb}> debians experimental is experimental __do_not_use__ this is bullshit fully not true
[04:49] <{xmb}> well i halfway agree seb
[04:50] <sebsebseb> debian experimental is like running alpha software basically
[04:50] <{xmb}> however i cannot live with overoutdated versions like 4.15 kernel or something
[04:50] <{xmb}> well it still has some old ware on it
[04:50] <{xmb}> the debian experimental
[04:50] <{xmb}> however i like daily get updates
[04:50] <sebsebseb> you can update some things yourself in Ubuntu  via ppa's or more recently  snaps maybe even but yeah
[04:50] <{xmb}> i run it all since 2002, on private and on servers, all good
[04:50] <sebsebseb> !ppa
[04:50] <sebsebseb> !snap
[04:50] <{xmb}> i dunno snap i like only os-mainline updates
[04:51] <NorthwestVegan> 19.04 is running kernel 5.0.0
[04:51] <{xmb}> they are configured together, snap would be 'another tree'
[04:51] <NorthwestVegan> pretty exciting
[04:51] <{xmb}> yeah vgg
[04:51] <{xmb}> Linux freely 5.1.0-rc3-next-20190405-9 #1 SMP Sun Apr 7 11:22:26 CEST 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:51] <sebsebseb> actsually yeah that's a good point NorthwestVegan
[04:51] <sebsebseb> 19.04 is on a pretty recent kernel
[04:51] <sauna> Hi everyone. I haven't dont networking for a while, but I need to make my pc a router for another computer behind a switch. Any good tutorials ?
[04:51] <sebsebseb> bionic is the 18.04 long term support
[04:51] <sebsebseb> yes that's on older stuff that's long term support
[04:52] <{xmb}> tauna, search for 'iptables nat examples' on google
[04:52] <sauna> I know how to do it in debian, but this network manager is killing me, without network manager, I don't know how to setup wifi...
[04:52] <sebsebseb> xmb if you want newer stuff don't run the LTS
[04:52] <{xmb}> will do so thanks
[04:52] <sebsebseb> that's what standard releases are for such as 19.04
[04:52] <{xmb}> [they are preinstalled by others] ill update them easily later when i read up on all the tree's
[04:52] <sebsebseb> but those only get supported nine months
[04:52] <{xmb}> i never can do take any support they offer
[04:52] <{xmb}> im pro bash and gawk coder, they aint better or reply with code or something
[04:52] <{xmb}> so only newest versions == best support
[04:53] <sebsebseb> which verison are you on xmb ?
[04:53] <sebsebseb> of ubuntu
[04:53] <{xmb}> 18<unknown>
[04:53] <{xmb}> 'bionic'
[04:53] <sebsebseb> yes thats' what I thought that's the long term support
[04:53] <{xmb}> kk
[04:53] <sebsebseb> that's about a year old now
[04:53] <sebsebseb> so yep the packages are old
[04:53] <{xmb}> yeah with few updates sometimes i guess
[04:54] <{xmb}> ill dist-upgrade to 19+ easily when i read up
[04:54] <sebsebseb> upgrade to 19.04  and you get Linux kernel 5.0 and so on
[04:54] <sebsebseb> !upgrade
[04:54] <Ben64> you can get newer kernels on LTS
[04:54] <sebsebseb> but non  long tem support releases only get supported about 9 months
[04:54] <{xmb}> i no want lts
[04:54] <sebsebseb> Ben64:  he wnats more than just a new kernel see above
[04:54] <Ben64> just saying
[04:54] <{xmb}> easy
[04:54] <benharri> rmadison is a great tool to see package version across package suites
[04:54] <{xmb}> so about the upgrade urls, im too tired its 7 am here worked all day and night
[04:55] <sebsebseb> yeah wehre you from xmb?
[04:55] <{xmb}> i am from bulgaria, but living in swiss
[04:55] <sebsebseb> yeah an hoour behind you
[04:55] <sebsebseb> I am getting a bit tired or something too, but still want to pop into an ear by shop before I sleep :D
[04:55] <sebsebseb> that opens again soon, or should do
[04:55] <{xmb}> nice one
[04:55] <benharri> i lived in .ch for a semester of undergrad :)
[04:55] <{xmb}> i idont like .ch
[04:56] <{xmb}> they are ugly enemies there
[04:56] <{xmb}> :)
[04:56] <benharri> ?
[04:56] <sebsebseb> all day and night how long you been awake :D
[04:56] <{xmb}> non open friendly enemish cold ppl
[04:56] <{xmb}> since 1 pm last day
[04:56] <sebsebseb> yeahsomething similar here heh heh
[04:56] <mike802> why's it still baby speaking
[04:56] <{xmb}> ?
[05:00] <sazawal> Hello. I want to do a fresh installation of Ubuntu 19.04 on my laptop running Ubuntu 16.04. Right now I have a separate partition for /home which has around 700 GB of data. If during the installation, I choose manual mode of partitioning and assign old-/home partition as the new-/home without formatting, my 700 GB of data would be safe, is that correct? Unfortunately, I don't have any other storage to back the huge data.
[05:00] <Pharaoh> quite a strange problem - re-installed Chrome but flash does not work still
[05:00] <{xmb}> i suggest you apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade to it
[05:00] <sebsebseb> sazawal: yes should be able to keep the home there with the data
[05:01] <{xmb}> include the right lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and its ready to go
[05:01] <sebsebseb> sazawal: what you put sounds good, but you got to maek sure you don't put format on the installer or in gparted, when assinging it as /home
[05:01] <sebsebseb> otherwise bye bye data
[05:01] <{xmb}> yeah there is usually a 'format or not' option
[05:02] <{xmb}> u will have leftover binaries and stuff
[05:02] <{xmb}> ..suggest dist-upgrade..
[05:02] <mike802> why does dist-upgrade seems so slow over major releases?
[05:02] <mike802> *seem
[05:02] <sazawal> sebsebseb, Thanks. As far as I remember there is only one place to choose format or not-format. I suppose I won't make a mistake there
[05:02] <{xmb}> cause much more packages to touch
[05:02] <mike802> then a fresh install?
[05:03] <sebsebseb> sazawal: yes when you assign it as /home the format or not option should show as well, in the installer , the manual partioner in the installer
[05:03] <sebsebseb> and down on the side maybe as well
[05:05] <{xmb}> so put preexisting in partition configs and also not change the partition table may be useful, which is safe tho
[05:05] <sazawal> sebsebseb, Yes right. In addition, I was thinking to put all the data in /home in a folder in the same partition and then do this. Because I want the new config and setting files in /home/user/ folder.
[05:06] <{xmb}> you can move it to that then
[05:06] <sebsebseb> sazawal: you could use the same username and password as before, for data, plus old config files
[05:07] <sebsebseb> sazawal: you could also access what was the previous home user  under the new account
[05:07] <sebsebseb> if making a new
[05:07] <{xmb}> u 1) copy everything to an own partition then 2) install with formatting over the old and 3) leave the third partition u copied to untouched in configs
[05:09] <sebsebseb> shopno later yes or whatever,   feeling tired now, about to leave here as well
[05:09] <{xmb}> me too, good night soon
[05:09] <sebsebseb> heh its morning really now buty eah
[05:10] <sebsebseb> sazawal: yes seperate /home is rather useful :) or can be
[05:10] <sebsebseb> can easily go between distros like that as well :D
[05:12] <sazawal> sebsebseb, Well, yes I can make the new Ubuntu take over my old /home but then there would be leftover config files. I think I have enough trash in my /home folder which I do not want. I have experience from the earlier versions of Ubuntu that upgrading the version many times screws up things than doing a fresh installation.
[05:13] <sazawal> sebsebseb, Yes infact this is the first time I found it useful to have /home in a different partition.
[05:14] <{xmb}> if u messed too much up in there u'd want no more separate /home partition anymore
[05:18] <{xmb}> i mean useful if i'd have my old scripts around, but it'd point me wrong
[05:21] <sauna> How can I set up routing so that everything from my ethernenet interface is routed to my wifi (with vpn )
[05:21] <ChetManly> so is it me or is dd not  a viable way to write an ubuntu.iso to a usb drive?
[05:21] <ChetManly> they always seem to fail
[05:21] <{xmb}> chet, cat <iso.file> >/dev/usb1
[05:21] <{xmb}> where usb1 is the device actually
[05:22] <{xmb}> like sde1 or sde
[05:22] <{xmb}> dd is very... picky about usage parameters
[05:22] <ChetManly> didnt know I could append a iso image to thumb drtive
[05:22] <{xmb}> no need dd for such, cat afile >destination works well
[05:22] <{xmb}> its not append
[05:22] <ChetManly> oh
[05:23] <{xmb}> it will overwrite, either partition i like sde1 or sde for since-beginning
[05:23] <{xmb}> partition 1*
[05:23] <ChetManly> crazy
[05:23] <{xmb}> or the whole partition mapping
[05:23] <{xmb}> i copy iso's like this
[05:23] <{xmb}> but oh well
[05:23] <{xmb}> you may need unetbootin, it will copy the files and have a bootloader
[05:23] <{xmb}> i dont remember when such is needed and when not
[05:24] <{xmb}> last time i unetbootin't win10 iso and debian
[05:24] <{xmb}> but this tablet has custom boot disabled
[05:24] <ChetManly> I am thinking I used dd lots in the past, has something changed on the livecd?
[05:25] <{xmb}> no, if u dont understand its options from ( man dd ) dont use it
[05:25] <{xmb}> i dont even know exactly all options theere
[05:25] <{xmb}> dd if=infile of=outfile <what end> bs=1 count=what error
[05:25] <ChetManly> unetbootin isnt in the reops anymore
[05:26] <{xmb}> i suggest you to try two things, first cat over sde1, then over sde, then unetbootin
[05:26] <ChetManly> repos*
[05:26] <{xmb}> well i got it from their site
[05:26] <{xmb}> if 1) and 2) failed, u gotta mkfs.vfat /dev/sde and try then unetbootin
[05:26] <{xmb}> ( and mount before unetbootin )
[05:27] <ChetManly> I just used a windows machine with etcher or rufus or something
[05:27] <{xmb}> thats also fine
[05:27] <ChetManly> but I havent had to do something like that in a long time and it was quite frustrating
[05:28] <{xmb}> u need updates like newest versions, to have more colorful fun
[05:28] <{xmb}> like newest windows insider fast build
[05:28] <{xmb}> there is even this option in the main windows 10 settings u can set it
[05:28] <{xmb}> and have newest ware installing faster
[05:31] <ChetManly> what is the default disc maker called?
[05:32] <ChetManly> ilike .iso writer
[05:39] <DeadpanDelivery> i believe it is "startup disk creator"
[05:42] <Pharaoh> Chrome/Flash on Ubuntu 19.04 anyone?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje__> Pharaoh: pepperflash is in the repos
[05:43] <lotuspsychje__> ChetManly: startuo disk creator is installed by default on ubuntu
[05:43] <Pharaoh> lotuspsychje__: pepperflash is bundled with Chrome
[05:44] <lotuspsychje__> Pharaoh: i think its now seperated
[05:44] <Pharaoh> lotuspsychje__: Now, the adobe test page detects the version installed and does not complain that it is disabled. However, the plugin does not work.
[05:44] <lotuspsychje__> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[05:45] <Pharaoh> lotuspsychje__: I looked at the /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin created by chrome fresh install
[05:45] <Pharaoh> ok, let me try
[05:51] <Pharaoh> I came across this link - http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/04/install-flash-player-plugin-ubuntu-19-04 - mentions that flash comes bundled with Ubuntu, needs to be installed for other browsers.. It was already working with firefox, chrome/chromium are the problem
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> Pharaoh: pepperflash used to be bundled with chrome
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> think its optional now
[05:52] <Pharaoh> I installed it anyways.. still the same
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> Pharaoh: what site is it you are trying to make work?
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> Pharaoh: cause some websites ask for an old flash method
[05:53] <Pharaoh> lotuspsychje Adobe test page would be a good example
[05:54] <Pharaoh> https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html - if you browse down to #5
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> Pharaoh: works on FF for me, lemme try chromium now
[05:55] <Pharaoh> lotuspsychje:  Yes, ff is alright
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> Pharaoh: doesnt work on chromium indeed
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> think the site needs the adobe flash
[05:56] <Pharaoh> The PPAPI bundle from adobe has the pepperflash so file
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> opera snap also doesnt work
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> Pharaoh: maybe try this? browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
[05:58] <Pharaoh> browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash is already the newest version
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> ok out of ideas then
[05:59] <Pharaoh> lotuspsychje: np. Thank you for your time!
[06:00] <jcb2016> anyone running mate-desktop for ubuntu. followed a guide but everything is messed up need to do a fresh install of mate
[06:01] <{xmb}> 'whats wrong with wmaker'
[06:02] <sauna> I am the router. I have switch and another pc. I can ping myself (192.168.113.1), computer can ping me (192.168.113.1), but I cannot ping computer (192.168.113.13). Help ?
[06:03] <{xmb}> u ping 2x self and one not ?
[06:03] <krytarik> jcb2016: Is it just the setting or did you mess with the packages too?
[06:04] <{xmb}> i have no comp to test on routing, i fear entering such commands and remote servers stop being on the internet
[06:04] <{xmb}> you can see ifconfig dev <ip> netmask 255.255.255.0
[06:05] <{xmb}> and route add default gw 192.168.113.1
[06:05] <{xmb}> [dev <dev>]
[06:05] <sauna> Ping from router -> pc doesn't work (Destination host unreachable). Router -> router works. PC -> Router works.  PC -> PC doesn't work.
[06:07] <jcb2016> krytarik, will you be here tomorrow? i gotta go to bed. thanks though
[06:07] <krytarik> ..Heh.
[06:18] <tatertots> there is a #networking chat room ...just FYI
[06:24] <hugh> holle
[06:24] <krytarik> Holle, hugh.
[06:39] <{xmb}> # a=( printf -- '%s\n' 'a test' ); eval "${a[@]}"
[06:39] <{xmb}> er wrong chan
[06:51] <za> ada chanel indonesia
[06:51] <{xmb}> #bash btw the solution was:
[06:51] <{xmb}> # t=( printf -- '%s\n' 'a test 3' $'with \'quotes\'' ); q() { for i in "${t[@]}"; do printf -- \'%s\'\  "${i//\'/\'\\\'\'}"; done; }; eval $( q ) | tail -1
[07:08] <Mystified> hey just running ubuntu on a lenov yoga, just inserted apple superdrive
[07:09] <Mystified> Apple SuperDrive (2.00)     yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r
[07:10] <evg> how to run desktop app from terminal?
[07:10] <Mystified> yet file explorer is not showing it
[07:10] <{xmb}> startx evg
[07:10] <Mystified> any suggestions
[07:10] <evg> I can't , I use ssh
[07:10] <Mystified> where can I locate a driver for it
[07:10] <{xmb}> install tightvncserver
[07:10] <{xmb}> and run it just 'tightvncserver'
[07:10] <{xmb}> and have :1 via vnc
[07:11] <{xmb}> otherwise, if its a local machine startx straight to see on monitor
[07:11] <{xmb}> if remote use tightvncserver
[07:11] <evg> is it secure?
[07:11] <{xmb}> so-la-la
[07:11] <{xmb}> x11vnc is worse i think
[07:15] <ledeni> Mystified, try to see it is showing in 'disks'
[07:19] <ledeni> Mystified, what kind of hardware is superdrive
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> evg: be careful with vnc, its a security risk. try to use other methods for remote work
[07:21] <{xmb}> u have suggestions which ?
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> !who | {xmb}
[07:22] <{xmb}> it needs to be remote-buffered like screen is, otherwise if i run a X server on windows then ssh forward X windows appear but on machine reboot the windows are gone, while the server didnt reboot
[07:22] <{xmb}> maybe some original x.org + some display capture + mouse control
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> {xmb}: use the tab please
[07:23] <{xmb}> no, sorry
[07:23] <{xmb}> your nick doesnt complete either easily
[07:23] <{xmb}> i want no <which char for stupid-tab-tabbing>
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> {xmb} thats why the tab does it for you...
[07:23] <{xmb}> [lotuspsychje   ] [lotuspsychje_  ] [               ] [               ]
[07:23] <{xmb}> very senseful
[07:26] <{xmb}> other clients, other crap, :)
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> {xmb}: keep the offtopic for #ubuntu-offtopic please, only ubuntu questions here
[07:26] <{xmb}> which x server | remote x server IS an OS question
[07:46] <ckopn> I used teamviewer but now it hasn't working , I guess after kernel update
[07:53] <tatertots> aww that sucks
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> !language | tatertots
[08:01] <padarc> hello, quick question: When i attempt to boot with kernel 5 (4.18 works fine), it seems like its gonna boot okay, near the end (right before the login screen), all the output (i have no splash/quiet enabled) is gone and all i get is an blinking cursor for minutes. How can i check what went wrong?
[08:01] <padarc> (using ubuntu 19.04)
[08:09] <MrElendig> boot to multi-user.target and with plymouth etc disabled
[08:10] <guiverc> padarc, maybe use `systemd-analyze blame` - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSystemd
[08:10] <MrElendig> could also try to ssh in
[08:10] <MrElendig> if that doesn't work, boot the install image and check the logs
[08:10] <MrElendig> or try the resque.target and check the logs
[08:24] <daifuco> hi I find the current LTS, 18.4 very slugish, almost feel like a virtualbox, is there any fix, is 19.04 any better in that regard? Using manjaro-gnome now
[08:25] <LuckyMan> how do I add a script to Files (nautilus?) ?
[08:29] <guiverc> daifuco, it's my belief 19.04 (with it's later gnome) is faster; all posts I've read say so (but I don't use gnome myself so wouldn't know).
[08:31] <MrElendig> daifuco: what hardware?
[08:31] <MrElendig> and yes, 19.04 is quite a bit faster
[08:32] <MrElendig> (and doesn't have an ancient nautilus etc)
[08:32] <daifuco> it is a standard desktop computer 2 years old i5, 16GB ram nvidia 1060 4k screen
[08:33] <daifuco> it flies on manjaro, but with 18.04 it feels really slow
[08:37] <LuckyMan> daifuco, try 19.04, it really speeds up things
[08:37] <daifuco> ok thanks
[08:38] <daifuco> just a question, once the distro gets obsolete, in november, is there any easy way to upgrade?
[08:38] <LuckyMan> I'm using a AMD X2 (10 years old) and it feels like I just bought a new computer
[08:38] <daifuco> I have tried linux in the past but I ahvent used for long time, just to try things
[08:39] <daifuco> now my gf has taken my macbook pro xD so I guess ill stick with linux for a while xD
[08:39] <LuckyMan> daifuco, yes, you can upgrade using the terminal or the actualizations app
[08:39] <padarc> MrElendig, okay, just let it blink there again for 2-3min, /var/log/boot.log does not show anything weird (as far as i notice), "systemd-analyze blame" shows nothing either (highest is snapd.service with 26seconds) ... gonna inform myself now for that multi-user.target thing and howto disable plymouth .. wish me luck
[08:40] <daifuco> thanks LuckyMan
[08:41] <LuckyMan> daifuco, you can upgrade from terminal just writing do-release-upgrade
[08:43] <LuckyMan> daifuco, this depends on new release beeing available (disco is not available yet but you can do a do-release-upgrade -d)
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: wanna share specs in #ubuntu-discuss for your amd?
[09:27] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, ok
[09:29] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, I don't have an identified nick, so I can't join the channel... I will share it here
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: in query then plz
[09:30] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, what do you mean?
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: private message
[09:31] <LuckyMan> ok
[09:44] <freshone0> hi
[09:45] <freshone0> hi
[10:22] <l1nkd> i just upgraded to ubuntu 19.04 and can't boot. booting kernel 5.0 doesn't even seem to try to import the zfs pool, but 4.18 imports the pool and then complains that it can't find a dataset within that pool (my root is the main dataset of that pool)
[10:22] <{xmb}> im sorry to only use ext4 without any pools or so :)
[10:24] <l1nkd> i don't understand why it's trying to use a dataset inside the pool when the linux command line says `root=ZFS=zfsroot`
[10:37] <firelegend> I compiled a kernel for ubuntu
[10:37] <firelegend> I used the deb-pkg command to build the deb packages
[10:38] <firelegend> but.....it did not build modules
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: we dont support own kernel compile
[10:38] <firelegend> Seriously?
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: use !mainline instead
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: try ##kernel
[10:38] <firelegend> mainline does not offer the features I need
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: if you want to help the ubuntu community you can use !bugs are help the developers
[10:39] <firelegend> It's not like that
[10:39] <firelegend> more like the kernel was compiled with an option I dont like
[10:39] <firelegend> It's strict devmem, limits what you can read from /dev/mem to 1 meg
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: bugs have wishlists, if you like or dislike a feature, you can influence the community
[10:40] <firelegend> No I cannot, as this is generally a security feature, and will likely stay there forever.
[10:40] <firelegend> But what can be done is a kernel boot param to disable it.
[10:41] <firelegend> Until then I have no choice but to compile it myself
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: ok sounds that ##kernel will be your best bet then mate
[10:42] <firelegend> Will try then.
[10:42] <jeremy31> firelegend: some modules would be built with the source code of linux-modules-extra
[10:43] <firelegend> Mainline kernel comes with several deb packages
[10:43] <firelegend> linux-headers and linux-image and linux-modules
[10:43] <firelegend> linux-modules are missing
[10:57] <{xmb}> firelegend i havent seen linux-modules at all
[10:57] <{xmb}> you install kernel-image, and then it should auto do the initrd with modules from the package
[10:58] <{xmb}> otherwise you do, update-initramfs -c -k <version>
[10:58] <{xmb}> and update-grub
[10:59] <mia> how is it possible to install the latest version of the gnome-shell in ubuntu?
[11:00] <mia> I don't like the ubuntu-modified version, and doing apt install gnome-session only installes 3.28.3
[11:02] <{xmb}> add more sources to apt/sources.list and retry
[11:02] <{xmb}> enable in configs more sources
[11:02] <{xmb}> dunno where it is, i have no ubuntu box with such X settings, only cmdline
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> !who | <{xmb}
 i meant
[11:03] <mia> {xmb}, oh I though you were writing to me :)
[11:03] <{xmb}> right
[11:03] <{xmb}> i did so
[11:03] <mia> Oh wait was that a response to my gnome-session question
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> {xmb}: you see how fast things get confusing now?
[11:04] <{xmb}> and... my client isnt good suitable for tabbing, nor is my writing style.. ill consider it for the further tho ok ?
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> mia: we reccomend for trying out different versions of gnome, test other ubuntu releases, try to avoid !mix packages
[11:06] <mia> lotuspsychje, hm, what do you mean by mix
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> mia: like using the right package version for the right ubuntu version
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell disco
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell bionic
[11:08] <mia> I've installed the vanilla gnome on ubuntu, as I don't like the style choices made by the ubuntu team (prefer the vanilla look and feel) @lotuspsychje
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> mia: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[11:08] <mia> but I also realized there are some additional stuff in the 3.32 version - so wanted to try it on 18.04
[11:08] <mia> I'm on 18.04 lts
[11:08] <mia> just installed it yesterday, so, the latest stable I think
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> mia: if you like gnome2 better, maybe test out gnome2 style flavors of ubuntu
[11:11] <mia> lotuspsychje, nope, I want to have 3.32
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> mia: maybe in the future gnome 3.32 features might come to 18.04 also
[11:11] <mia> Hm
[11:11] <mia> so currently there is no way to install it on 18.04?
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> mia: its not reccomended to mix packages
[11:11] <mia> Okay I see, thanks lotuspsychje
[11:12] <mia> maybe you're right, the reason I picked the LTS was to be stable
[11:12] <mia> maybe mixing would be just the opposite
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> there we go mia
[11:12] <mia> THank you ^^
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> mia: there are some tricks & tweaks to make 18.04 gnome a smoother experience too
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:57] <u0_a139> ls
[11:57] <u0_a139> tes
[11:58] <u0_a139> quit
[11:58] <u0_a139> quit
[11:58] <u0_a139> q
[11:58] <u0_a139> exit
[11:58] <MrElendig> /quit zomg aliens
[11:58] <u0_a139> how to quit??
[11:58] <MrElendig> ^
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:27] <luna> How do i upgrade from 19.04 Dev Branch to stable?
[12:27] <qwebirc11451> I love ubuntu
[12:27] <{xmb}> downgrade*
[12:29] <luna> yeah but still how?
[12:29] <{xmb}> search the web, there were i saw few docs about doing so
[12:29] <{xmb}> look for 'downgrade'
[12:29] <{xmb}> why u wanna downgrade
[12:30] <{xmb}> i dont wanna downgrade my debian/4 systems, with experimental and others
[12:30] <cfhowlett> luna, are you on ubuntu or debian?
[12:30] <{xmb}> ubuntu
[12:30] <luna> cfhowlett: Ubuntu
[12:30] <{xmb}> 19 dev
[12:31] <{xmb}> to downgrade to stable
[12:31] <{xmb}> i could maybe make a downgrade script
[12:31] <tatertots> or just install the OS you desire to use from the get go
[12:31] <cfhowlett> this ^^^
[12:31] <tatertots> ..i know thats a radical concept
[12:31] <luna> tatertots: yeah but don't wanna format the SSD
[12:32] <{xmb}> install over it, it will run but it will have leftovers
[12:32] <cfhowlett> no need to format.  just point the new OS to the current partition table
[12:32] <{xmb}> maybe before install mv bin usr etc away
[12:32] <{xmb}> lib64, ..
[12:34] <leftyfb> {xmb}: can you please stop? This is a support channel.
[12:35] <leftyfb> luna: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade # this will update to the latest release of 19.04 if you're already running 19.04.
[12:35] <luna> leftyfb: thanks :)
[12:38] <{xmb}> umm buh bye looser
[12:38] <leftyfb> luna: just to clarify, ignore everything {xmb} said. They were just trolling.
[12:40] <luna> leftyfb: i would have guessed so, still updating so will have a fresh Dingo in a while
[12:41] <empedokles78> With Gnome and only one single user, is it possible to access password entry box directly without clicking on users on startup?
[12:42] <cfhowlett> single user?  as in only ONE account?
[12:43] <guiverc_d> empedokles78, i thought you could press <enter> in that case & it went to password entry (this may depend on which dm you are using; lightdm/gdm3 etc)
[12:44] <qwebirc11451> hello
[12:44] <luna> leftyfb: it worked thanks
[12:45] <kareempharmacist> I wish I could use Linux at the pharmacy I am working at
[12:45] <kareempharmacist> Ubuntu 18.04 is fun
[12:46] <leftyfb> empedokles78: hit enter
[12:53] <empedokles78> leftyfb, yes I know, but I'd like to even avoid this.
[12:53] <empedokles78> guiverc_d, dito.
[12:53] <empedokles78> I don't know which one is the default "dm". I'm using the standard one.
[13:04] <dukestyx> I saw a couple of users requesting support for pop!_OS today - who should I speak to with regards to ubottu and it providing a bot link to the Pop!_OS Mattermost as a support channel for those users?
[13:14] <leftyfb> dukestyx: it doesn't make sense to make a bot link to ever other distro on the planet. We can just tell them this is a support channel for ubuntu only.
[13:15] <ibrahim> How to fix plymouth resolution after install nvidia driver in Ubuntu DD...
[14:03] <nullbyte_> how can i upgrade ubuntu to 19.04 from 18.10 under console with apt-get
[14:03] <ubuntuw2> hello
[14:03] <ubuntuw2> hello
[14:03] <ubuntuw2> hello
[14:03] <ikanobori> Once is enough.
[14:05] <nullbyte_> ?
[14:07] <ikanobori> Your question is like 'how do I put a nail in the wall with my sock'.
[14:07] <ikanobori> Generally you'd run do-release-upgrade which will do the apt things for you.
[14:07] <nullbyte_> ok
[14:07] <nullbyte_> thank
[14:12] <gofio> anybody here ever used multysistem from ubuntu to boot a windows machine? thanks
[14:12] <tomreyn> gofio: what is "multysistem"?
[14:13] <gofio> a usb bootable program so to speak
[14:13] <tomreyn> got a website?
[14:13] <gofio> I do have all in spanish, so kinda difficult to translate correctly
[14:14] <gofio> https://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
[14:15] <gofio> I've tried a couple already. Unetboot as well, woeusb
[14:17] <gofio> unetboot took a century to end the process from ubuntu to finally die into a 10 second loop when pluged into the windows machine, just like in here https://askubuntu.com/questions/493440/unetbootin-is-stuck-in-an-automatic-boot-in-10-seconds-countdown-loop
[14:17] <tomreyn> gofio: the way i understand it "LiveUSB MultiBoot" (http://liveusb.info/dotclear/) is a software which scripts the installation of multiple linux distributions on a bootable removable storage?
[14:18] <gofio> now the multisystem seems to do something but i'm lost now into the grub4dos thing
[14:19] <gofio> yeap kinda tomreyn it should also install any software including all windows versions
[14:19] <tomreyn> gofio: let's keep it easy: this software is not supported here. if you can describe what you are trying to achieve maybe someone can suggest a good way to go about it.
[14:19] <gofio> like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0twwXJY1Ivk though I didn't get there yet
[14:20] <gofio> maybe at the end what I try to achieve is to find a high high tower and jump from it tomreyn (kinda kidding)
[14:21] <tomreyn> gofio: we only support ubuntu here, but you can ask for help with this and other custom grub menu creating softwares in ##linux
[14:21] <gofio> any channel u'd suggest tomreyn  where I can ask about this?
[14:21] <tomreyn> gofio: please read what i just wrote
[14:21] <gofio> since I'm still with ubuntu 17.10 I'm in the worst situation possible
[14:22] <gofio> k, ty tomreyn , I'll try there
[14:22] <qwebirc71671> hello folks, i'm chrooted into a new install, trying to install grub, but i see "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/dev/mapper/cryptroot'" , any help on how to resolve this would be appreciated
[14:23] <tomreyn> you can also add custom grub menu records by writing them to /etc/grub/grub.d/ manually
[14:23] <tomreyn> gofio: ^
[14:23] <tomreyn> but 17.10 is obvuiously eond of life since a log time.
[14:23] <tomreyn> hi chroot
[14:24] <chrootubuntu> was changing nick to something easier to read
[14:24] <Guest10> hello I am a noob regarding linux installations and I am having problems after finishing a trisquel ubuntu installation: my headphone jack is not working. I tried half a dozen recipes for fixing the problem including kernel-update, alsa-restart, alsa-reconfiguration, a dozen of reboots
[14:24] <Guest10> nothing is working
[14:25] <tomreyn> chrootubuntu: this message usuakky suggests that not all virtual file systems are bind mounted intho the chroot target, specifically /proc
[14:25] <gofio> btw tomreyn would u know anywhere u could point me to so I can upgrade from ubuntu 17.10 to 18.04 without a new install :? I've tried a couple ways but if u knew, that'd be great
[14:25] <Guest10> can anyone help me with that problem?
[14:25] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade | gofio
[14:26] <gofio> yeah I know about the end of life, it was first thing people told me when I got in here first time
[14:26] <gofio> k, thanks for the links tomreyn  will check'em out
[14:26] <chrootubuntu> tomreyn: i've got /boot , / , proc and sys added to fstab , and did mount -a , /proc is populated
[14:27] <chrootubuntu> the setup is /boot with / inside luks
[14:27] <xamithan> Is there a qt network manager applet?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Guest10, which audio driver, cat /proc/asound/modules
[14:29] <empedokles78> How can I make a symbol link icon for the poweroff command?
[14:30] <tomreyn> !ot | Guest10
[14:30] <tomreyn> we only support ubuntu here, not trisquel
[14:31] <Guest10> blueskaj: sorry, I cannot find what you have posted in the terminal
[14:31] <tomreyn> chrootubuntu: what about /dev /dev/pts ? did you bind-mount those?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Guest10, cat /proc/asound/modules
[14:32] <Guest10> htx
[14:32] <Guest10> 0 snd_hda_intel
[14:32] <Guest10> 1 snd_hda_intel
[14:33] <chrootubuntu> tomreyn: i did the first option of "D.4.4.3. Create device files" from here - https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apds04.html
[14:33] <chrootubuntu> i'll exit the chroot, and mount them
[14:34] <chrootubuntu> ignore the exit chroot part
[14:35] <tomreyn> chrootubuntu: hmm maybe what i suggested is not actually necessary, i'm not certain
[14:35] <tomreyn> but then the message you encountered does suggest something is missing
[14:37] <tomreyn> chrootubuntu: these are my notes on how to carry out a chroot recovery http://paste.debian.net/plain/1078701
[14:38] <BluesKaj> Guest10, add this to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, options snd-hda-intel model=auto
[14:39] <chrootubuntu> tomreyn: this is a remote server, so no efi stuff thankfully , i just noticed when i do "apt install grub-pc" i see "E: Can not write log (Is /dev/pts mounted?) - posix_openpt (19: No such device)"
[14:39] <EriC^> chrootubuntu: you need to mind --bind /dev and /dev/pts /proc and /sys
[14:39] <Guest10> BluesKaj I will try thank you
[14:39] <BluesKaj> Guest10, then save the file and reboot
[14:40] <EriC^> *mount --bind
[14:40] <EriC^> chrootubuntu: ^ assuming you're doing a chroot
[14:40] <Guest10> curiously I just have found another fix
[14:40] <Guest10> and now I have sound, but the guy on the website wrote that it's just temporary
[14:41] <Guest10> https://askubuntu.com/questions/132440/headphone-jack-not-working
[14:41] <gofio> do u think I'll be able to upgrade from ubuntu 17.10 to Lubuntu 18.04 tomreyn :?
[14:41] <Guest10> I'll try and reboot
[14:41] <Guest10> see you
[14:41] <chrootubuntu> EriC^:  so i do "mount --bind dev /dev" from inside the chroot ?
[14:42] <gofio> just learned I had to not only have chosen the 18.04 version but also the light one as this computer I'm running now "only" has 4g ram
[14:42] <chrootubuntu> the host is debian and 18.04 chroot
[14:42] <EriC^> chrootubuntu: no, from outside, sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev or use a bash loop "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done"
[14:42] <tomreyn> gofio: i don't know you well enough to tell. generally, it's possible using the manual i pointed you to. however, if you ran a system without security patches but with known vulnerabiolities for well over a year, your better choice is probably a fresh installation.
[14:44] <gofio> I'm reading it, that's why asked. mmmh a fresh install. I'm also on a dual boot with windows 7, on a small partition. Hell must be pretty likely this
[14:44] <gartt> Newbie question, but on https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop for Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS, will this work for 32-bit Intels? I see from the release notes that they dropped 32-bit PowerPC, but that's all I see
[14:44] <gofio> thanks for ur time tomreyn , sorry to bother
[14:45] <chrootubuntu> grub installed, many thanks for the help tomreyn & EriC^
[14:48] <gofio> that second link u gave me tomreyn is pretty much what I needed for the upgrade, thanks. Now is the time for the meditation xD so I guess first try to get to ubuntu 18.04 and then try to jump to lubuntu, if that is possible. Will find out if still alive
[14:53] <tomreyn> gofio: you don't bother me, no worries. lubuntu is still alive and supported. /join #lubuntu if you like (but we can also support you here in general ubuntu terms).
[14:54] <gofio> ok, great thanks tomreyn , I'll do so if I get to upgrade to ubuntu 18.04 first
[14:54] <gofio> and will join the lubuntu channel as well, thanks!
[14:55] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[14:58] <Guest10> thx for your help, guys. Actually I just reinstalled Ubuntu and suddenly the headphone jack sound worked out of the box. miraculously.
[14:58] <Guest10> happy easter anyways :)
[15:01] <BluesKaj> Guest10, reinstalled ubuntu or trisquel?
[15:01] <Guest10> trisquel
[15:02] <Guest10> don't know why but now it works even if I didn't change anything in the installation process
[15:02] <Guest10> still the same usb-stick, still the same procedure
[15:02] <Guest10> but now the sound works :)
[15:02] <BluesKaj> Guest10, trisquel isn't a supported ubuntu flavour, so next time check #trisquel chat
[15:02] <Guest10> oh I didn't know trisquel had a chatroom
[15:02] <Guest10> thx
[15:03] <BluesKaj> yw
[15:04] <Guest10> can't even talk in #trisquel
[15:04] <Guest10> it says "Cannot send to nick/channel"
[15:04] <tomreyn> !register | Guest10
[15:04] <Guest10> oh I see
[15:09] <lublue> Just did a clean install of Lubuntu 19.04, and there are blue borders around all the windows? In some apps, multiple borders. How do I get rid of them?
[15:09] <tomreyn> lublue: can you show a screenshot?
[15:09] <tomreyn> there is also #lubuntu by the way
[15:12] <lublue> tomreyn: https://imgur.com/a/RAR5TUf
[15:12] <lublue> didn't know about #lubuntu, thanks
[15:16] <tomreyn> lublue: i'm not so familiar with lubuntu but i can install it in a VM and see if i get the same effect if you like?
[15:16] <tomreyn> shoouldn't take so long (~15 minutes)
[15:17] <tomreyn> ah i see you got a good reasponse in #lubuntu, then i'll pass
[15:17] <BlackDex> So does someone have an alternative for the indicator-multiload, doesn't seem to work that well on gnome3
[15:25] <Celmor[m]> I'm trying to run veracrypt, installed the usual way but get an error along the lines of "ubuntu failed to execute child process no such file"
[15:25] <Celmor[m]> I can do `file /usr/bin/veracrypt` (showing me the proper ELF file) but can't do `sudo /usr/bin/veracrypt `
[15:26] <ikanobori> Can't do how?
[15:26] <Celmor[m]> sudo: unable to execute /usr/bin/veracrypt: No such file or directory
[15:26] <Celmor[m]> `file` outputs: usr/bin/veracrypt: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, BuildID[sha1]=0dcadc7bae416f3211b50bef57befae7c900105e, stripped
[15:28] <Celmor[m]> I've tried starting it through the installed .desktop file (giving me the first error) and through the terminal (giving me the second error)
[15:28] <ikanobori> Are you on a 64-bit system?
[15:28] <Celmor[m]> even tried disabling apparmor, thinking it's somehow blocking the execution
[15:28] <Celmor[m]> yes
[15:28] <ikanobori> That binary is 32-bit.
[15:29] <ikanobori> Get a 64-bit binary or enable multiarch.
[15:29] <Celmor[m]> how do I enable multiarch?
[15:29] <Celmor[m]> that error is misleading then
[15:30] <ikanobori> It's because it can't find the loader.
[15:30] <ikanobori> Just as if you were to put a shebang to a non-existent thing.
[15:31] <ikanobori> For multiarch you install multiarch-support and the i386 versions of all libraries that binary is linked against.
[15:31] <Celmor[m]> then, how do I enable multiarch?
[15:31] <lublue> tomreyn: yep, solved it. but thanks anyway :)
[15:32] <ikanobori> But preferably, you'd get a binary compiled for 64-bit :)
[15:32] <Celmor[m]> "multiarch-support is already the newest version (2.27-3ubuntu1)"
[15:32] <Celmor[m]> ldd usr/bin/veracrypt: not a dynamic executable
[15:32] <Celmor[m]> is it linked against anything if it's not a "dynamic executable"?
[15:33] <ikanobori> Your ldd is also 64-bit.
[15:33] <Celmor[m]> ikanobori: if you tell me where from, sure... veracrypt doesn't seem to be in any of the repos (enabled them all in the options)
[15:33] <ikanobori> And will use the standard dynamic linker to establish the libraries.
[15:34] <Celmor[m]> guess I'll just have to use a different livecd then
[15:34] <ikanobori> I don't know veracrypt at all, do they not offer proper binaries for your system?
[15:34] <ikanobori> If not I'd assume they explain how to actually use them.
[15:35] <ikanobori> A quick google seems to say their tarball comes with an -x64 binary that you should be using.
[15:35] <ikanobori> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1082312/how-can-i-install-veracrypt-on-ubuntu-18-04
[15:35] <ikanobori> I googled 'how to install veracrypt on ubuntu'.
[15:35] <Celmor[m]> I've read several guides for installing veraccrypt, they just go through downloading the tar file, extracting the executables and starting the gui binary and clicking through the installer
[15:36] <ikanobori> Maybe it's not the best software if it's that hard to install.
[15:37] <ikanobori> Their website does seem to mention only a legacy version with 32-bit support.
[15:37] <ikanobori> Where did you get it?
[15:37] <Celmor[m]> there were only x86 binaries in the tar file
[15:38] <ikanobori> Erm.
[15:38] <ikanobori> I just downloaded it.
[15:38] <ikanobori> And it only has x64.
[15:38] <Celmor[m]> Downloads/veracrypt-1.23-x86-legacy-setup.tar.bz2
[15:38] <Celmor[m]> veracrypt-1.23-setup-console-x86-legacy
[15:38] <Celmor[m]> veracrypt-1.23-setup-gui-x86-legacy
[15:39] <Celmor[m]> gues I downloaded the wrong link
[15:39] <ikanobori> Yes, you downloaded the legacy 32-bit only version.
[15:40] <Celmor[m]> somehow my left ctrl key got disabled, is there an option or something that would do that?
[15:40] <tomreyn> Celmor[m]: had you considered alternatives before going with veracrypt? there is similar software which is better integrated into ubuntu, and supported by ubuntu.
[15:40] <Celmor[m]> I need cross-platform support
[15:41] <Celmor[m]> meh, it keeps opening the executables in notepad and then freezing for minutes
[15:41] <tomreyn> okay, then it's probably the right choice
[15:41] <tomreyn> notepad?
[15:42] <Celmor[m]> whatever the ubuntu/gnome equivalent is
[15:46] <Celmor[m]> gedit, which keeps crashing
[16:04] <mezod> hello, is there a way to grep a pattern in a file but get surrounding lines too?
[16:08] <tomreyn> mezod: -C
[16:09] <tomreyn> !man
[16:09] <mezod> yep, for some reason I was trying -c >.<
[16:20] <qwebirc84732> Does ubuntu have a "Add to Desktop" function? On KDE you can create a shortcut for apps from the Main Menu.
[16:21] <skeebo> what DE are you using now?
[16:24] <vlad_> hi. anyone know why win+space is a default hotkey for layout switch and why I cant set old hotkey (alt+shift)?
[16:25] <qwebirc84732> I installed Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) - GNOME desktop 3.32 on my 2nd computer. I can't add a shortcut to the desktop.
[16:49] <wku> yioo
[16:58] <[itchyjunk]> Hi, I would like to instealld openGL on my ubuntu 18.04. Google gives a bunch of different tutorials but I remember doing this with some GUI app that was preinstalled before.
[16:58] <ChetManly> so whats the best way to backup windows from cli now? like to make a clone image
[16:58] <[itchyjunk]> It was somewhere in Show Applications ->.
[17:02] <[itchyjunk]> `sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall` found no drivers :'(
[17:07] <BluesKaj> [itchyjunk] which gpu ?
[17:08] <[itchyjunk]> BluesKaj, i can't figure it out `ubuntu-driver devices` said nothing
[17:08] <[itchyjunk]> (I tried to launch Dota 2 and got an error saying i don't have OpenGL. I remember installing some type of nvidia driver on this to play before)
[17:09] <BluesKaj> [itchyjunk],  sudo lshw -C video
[17:09] <mia> Hello channel
[17:10] <mia> one question: when switched to a command line ttl from desktop mode, does the desktop still consume any gpu memory?
[17:10] <[itchyjunk]> Looks like i have no GPU? Can open gl still be installed?
[17:11] <[itchyjunk]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wh9vkj54k9/
[17:11] <mia> I would like to experiment with some premade trained neural networks (to be more specific: gan's) but I only have one GPU so I'd like to know if it's better to do all this in ttl3 or similar command line
[17:13] <[itchyjunk]> I am going to attempt to follow this guide, wish me luck : https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/06/mesa-18-1-1-ubuntu-18-04-ppa
[17:13] <BluesKaj> [itchyjunk], you have intel graphics and the i915 driver installed which is the default, so your OpenGL setting should be a available in system settings
[17:14] <[itchyjunk]> ah
[17:15] <[itchyjunk]> How do I access it? I am looking under settings and also searchin system setting and finding nothing.
[17:18] <[itchyjunk]> This is the error I am trying to fix if it helps: https://imgur.com/a/i3zbpIM
[17:20] <BluesKaj> [itchyjunk], how old is this computer ?
[17:20] <[itchyjunk]> It is an old dell machine, maybe 6-8 year old?
[17:21] <BluesKaj> [itchyjunk], it should be able to do 3.1 iirc
[17:21] <[itchyjunk]> I remember the game working on this machien before :'(
[17:25] <BluesKaj> [itchyjunk], make sure you have liva2 installed...you can check in your package manager
[17:26] <BluesKaj> correction, libva2
[17:31] <mdlpe> hi, after installing nvidia driver, impossible to connect to Ubuntu. The password is ok but it is like if it is wrong
[17:31] <BluesKaj> [itchyjunk], is this an "Optimus hybrid gpu system" with intel and nvidia gpus ?
[17:32] <BluesKaj> !Optimus | [itchyjunk]
[17:32] <mdlpe> BluesKaj, it is an amd with vega and nividia
[17:33] <mdlpe> I can not loggin
[17:33] <mdlpe> anymore
[17:34] <tomreyn> !nomodeset | mdlpe
[17:34] <xamithan> Probably used the wrong nvidia driver version for your card
[17:34] <tomreyn> mdlpe: installing the nvidia driver as downloaded from nvidia.com is not supported here.
[17:35] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: which ubuntu version are you on?
[17:36] <tomreyn> which kernel version?
[17:36] <[itchyjunk]> libva2 is already installed it says
[17:36] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]:   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[17:36] <mdlpe> I installed the driver by Ubuntu extra driver
[17:36] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/di667
[17:37] <mdlpe> for the kernel version i can not give any answer, I need to reboot
[17:37] <tomreyn> mdlpe: you mean "ubuntu-drivers" or its GUI equivalent, accessible from system settings?
[17:38] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: and this?   lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:39] <mdlpe> yes
[17:39] <mdlpe> it is from the GUI of Ubuntu
[17:40] <tomreyn> mdlpe: amd vega + nvidia sounds new enough that you may need to use !hwe, possibly the ubuntu (updated proprietary) drivers !ppa as well
[17:40] <ChetManly> is there a different way to install ubuntu to a laptop with a mmc card as a hard drive?  it is a HP stream
[17:40] <[itchyjunk]> https://termbin.com/xgh0c
[17:41] <ChetManly> this card will wear out fairly quick the standard way right? need ram disks?
[17:42] <ioria> [itchyjunk], you could override the Mesa version, but the outcome would not be ideal
[17:42] <[itchyjunk]> Does my card not support openGL 3.1 or higher?
[17:42] <[itchyjunk]> :<
[17:43] <tomreyn> whatever [itchyjunk] will do with this hardware, the outcome will not be ideal for this game, or opengl gaming in general
[17:43] <ioria> [itchyjunk], run glxinfo -B and see
[17:43] <tomreyn> (and that's an understatement)
[17:43] <ioria> [itchyjunk], you need mesa-utils installed
[17:43] <[itchyjunk]> instealling it right now
[17:44] <[itchyjunk]> i think i know my problem :x
[17:45] <[itchyjunk]> the screen on this is no functioning so i have it hooked to a small tv
[17:45] <ioria> [itchyjunk], paste  'OpenGL version string'
[17:45] <[itchyjunk]> OpenGL ES profile version string: OpenGL ES 2.0 Mesa 18.2.8
[17:45] <tomreyn> ChetManly: an emmc card should last a good while, usually longer than standard flash (like in a usb stick or sd card). you can run ubuntu off it normally.
[17:46] <irgendwer47111> hi need help with mysql, I can't install it, its crash every time
[17:46] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  2.0 < 3.1
[17:46] <[itchyjunk]> ah..
[17:46] <winterfell> hello
[17:47] <tomreyn> also opengl ES is something completely different
[17:47] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: there will be another line about opengl version
[17:47] <tomreyn> ...hopefully
[17:47] <ioria> will be the same, i'am afraid
[17:48] <tomreyn> OpenGL core profile version string
[17:48] <[itchyjunk]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZxydRTQ9Rd/
[17:48] <tomreyn> OpenGL version string:
[17:48] <ioria> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 18.2.8
[17:48] <[itchyjunk]> that one says 2.1 as well
[17:48] <tomreyn> not the same but low enough not to work
[17:48] <[itchyjunk]> lol
[17:48] <tomreyn> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenGL-1.4-i915-Now-Default
[17:48] <[itchyjunk]> laptop officially too old to play the game sounds like
[17:49] <tomreyn> yes
[17:49] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  try this workaround in #4 :  https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?313464-I-am-unable-to-start-Dota2
[17:50] <irgendwer47111> mysql is broken in 18.04
[17:50] <winterfell> are you know install oracle database?
[17:50] <winterfell> im stuck
[17:50] <irgendwer47111> mysql?
[17:50] <winterfell> yes
[17:50] <irgendwer47111> me too
[17:51] <winterfell> >,<
[17:52] <[itchyjunk]> What error are you guys getting when installing mysql?
[17:52] <irgendwer47111> Failed to start MySQL Community Server.
[17:52] <winterfell> oracle database
[17:52] <tomreyn> irgendwer47111, winterfell: if you'd like support installing mysql-server on ubuntu, please discuss the details. ubuntu version, mysql server version, source of your packages, how you're installing, what is the output.
[17:52] <ChetManly> tomreyn: oic, is there a easy to make ram disks for ubuntu so that it wont write that much?
[17:53] <tomreyn> that's *full* output, not just single lines. and use a !pastebin
[17:53] <tomreyn> !pastebin
[17:55] <irgendwer47111> error after mysql-server-5.7-Skript (postprocess)
[17:55] <[itchyjunk]> Hm, i can't find that "set launch option" mentioned in the form
[17:56] <tomreyn> ChetManly: here's an example:    sudo mkdir /mnt/ramdisk; echo 'tmpfs /mnt/ramdisk tmpfs rw,size=512M,user 0 0' | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab; sudo mount /mnt/ramdisk; sudo ls -l /mnt/ramdisk
[17:56] <tomreyn> irgendwer47111: full output needed
[17:57] <molluskempire> So the logitech C920, how do I get it to not downgrade resolution in Discord/Cheese? I force it to 1920/1080 in v4l2 but the moment I open the video in cheese it forces to 720/xxx and in discord it downgrades to 640/480?
[17:57] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: which form?
[17:58] <[itchyjunk]> the one ioria listed. i googled it and found it and the game actually launches. :O
[17:58] <ioria> [itchyjunk],  test it a bit
[17:59] <[itchyjunk]> ah it crashed ha
[17:59] <ioria> lol
[18:00] <tomreyn> that's where it tried to use an opengl function or extension you dont have
[18:00] <[itchyjunk]> ah i see
[18:00] <[itchyjunk]> so i asked it to force launch the game anyways but it crashes everytime a non existant function is called or something
[18:00] <[itchyjunk]> interesting
[18:01] <devslash2> I started the upgrade from 18.10 to 19.04. all of a sudden my screen went black with just a shell prompt. I waited 30 minutes but it didnt go away so I forced my laptop to reboot and now its still booting to a blinking cursor
[18:02] <tomreyn> devslash2: did you have PPAs configured and packages installed from there when you started the upgrade?
[18:02] <devslash2> i dunno
[18:02] <gofio> hopefully will be running ubuntu 18.04 soon in a machine with a dual boot tomreyn, once there I can ask questions here, isn't it. tia
[18:03] <devslash2> i can switch to terminal 2 to log into the shell
[18:03] <tomreyn> devslash2: okay, so much for the why.
[18:03] <tomreyn> devslash2: yes, you'll need to proced from a temrinal
[18:03] <devslash2> ok im logged in
[18:04] <tomreyn> devslash2: also proprietary (graphics?) drivers could trigger this.
[18:04] <devslash2> ok...
[18:04] <ChetManly> tomreyn: my reasoning is that windows has been running a muck on this mmc card for awhile now so I dont want to install ubuntu to it then it calf awhile later
[18:04] <devslash2> when I do startx I get an error xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
[18:05] <tomreyn> gofio: sure, if you run a supported ubuntu release we'll be happy to support you here.
[18:05] <ioria> devslash2, check if your /etc/apt/sources.list has been already set to 'disco'
[18:05] <Mdlpe> Hi, I can loggin with the earlier kernel. The last one wheere I installed nvidia driver, I can't
[18:06] <ChetManly> tomreyn:  its only 30GB  and I think windows installation are much bigger than this let alone updates.... I dont think it was able to install the last update
[18:06] <gofio> k, great thanks tomreyn, somebody gave me a direct link to the iso I needed and so now succesfully partinioted into two the usb I have and so from one partition I hope this iso works out in the disfuntioning machine I have by my side apart from this one I'm typing into
[18:06] <tomreyn> devslash2: startx is no longer a viable option to intialize a graphical desktop
[18:07] <devslash2> it looks lie it has
[18:07] <devslash2> it looks like it has
[18:07] <devslash2> all the enabled repos mention disco and the cosmic repos are commented out
[18:07] <tomreyn> ChetManly: we only support ubuntu here, not windows.
[18:08] <ioria> devslash2, cat /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:08] <tomreyn> ChetManly: you can install ubuntu to any storage your computer is able to boot off. ideally one which lasts for a while.
[18:09] <ChetManly> tomreyn: yes I  have just never encountered this before and am trying to wrap my head around it
[18:09] <ChetManly> tomreyn: yeah it not mine lol
[18:09] <ChetManly> cant believe they get away with it actually
[18:09] <tomreyn> gofio: what's the name of the isop file you downloaded then?
[18:10] <tomreyn> *.ISO
[18:10] <devslash2>  ok give me a minute i dont haave that termbin and when i tried to nstall it it said that i need to do dpkg --configure -a
[18:10] <devslash2> and it looks like its setting up a bunch of packages
[18:10] <gofio> it's from the cdimage.ubuntu site tomreyn
[18:10] <gofio> let me check the name
[18:10] <ioria> devslash2, termbin it's not a package
[18:10] <devslash2> well that command didnt work
[18:10] <mia> how can I chance an application's icon in ubuntu?
[18:11] <ioria> devslash2, what you got ?
[18:11] <gofio> xubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-amd64 tomreyn
[18:11] <mia> I'm using numix icon pack but some of the applications I have does not have the proper numix icon
[18:11] <devslash2> ioria, what do you mean ?
[18:11] <mia> so I would like to pick another icon
[18:11] <xamithan> Edit the .desktop file and point to a new icon mia
[18:11] <ioria> devslash2, 'well that command didnt work'
[18:11] <devslash2>  cat /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:11] <ioria> devslash2, yes, how it fails ?
[18:12] <devslash2> hang on when this is done ill re-run it and tell you the error message
[18:12] <gofio> right now succesfully downloaded into the usb btw tomreyn, 1.5 gigas
[18:12] <gofio> wish me luck
[18:12] <tomreyn> gofio: okay, so you'll install the latest long term support release of the Ubuntu flavour called "Xubuntu" (with a not so performance hungry graphical desktop), on this computer of yours. Fine.
[18:12] <molluskempire> I'm trying to get a logitech c920 in 19.04 to keep a stable 1920/1080 resolution. In discord it auto downgrades to 640/480 after forcing it to that resolution in v4l2. Any advice?
[18:13] <gofio> so u think once there tomreyn will be able to repair the windows boot :?
[18:14] <mia> xamithan, hm, where would that file be?
[18:15] <xamithan> either /usr/share/applications, ~/.local/share/applications or /usr/local/share/applications
[18:15] <xamithan> Depending on how it was installed or put in
[18:15] <tomreyn> gofio: not sure whom you're talking to but tomreyn won't repair the widows boot.
[18:15] <gofio> haha yeap tomreyn
[18:16] <gofio> who wants commas :-)
[18:17] <winterfell> goodnight from indonesia
[18:17] <zombie19> 👽
[18:17] <devslash2> it looks like i fixed the issue
[18:19] <winterfell> goodnight from indonesia
[18:21] <tomreyn> winterfell: welcome back, once again
[18:24] <gofio> mmmmh....what u think tomreyn about tryingto run an iso from a partitioned usb... :-/
[18:25] <tomreyn> gofio: so you copied the iso file, as a file, to a file systemon the usb stick you want to boot from?
[18:26] <gofio> yes, but that stick now has two partitions tomreyn
[18:26] <gofio> so dunno if that's gonna be a problem now
[18:26] <gofio> cuz is not working as it should
[18:27] <Frogger->  Hmm, I just did a "do-release-upgrade".  The upgrade tool informed me that Livepatch will be turned off as livepatch secuity updates are not available for 19.04.
[18:27] <tomreyn> gofio: you should use a software such as https://etcher.io to write the xubuntu installer iso file to the bootable installer storage. and keep in mind that this will delete any existing data on this storage.
[18:27] <gofio> and each partition has a different iso tomreyn
[18:27] <Frogger-> Will Livepatch be automatically turned back on once livepatch security updates are available?
[18:28] <gofio> thanks tomreyn  will check out that
[18:28] <tomreyn> Frogger-: no, you'll need to re-enable them manually once you're runnign an LTS release again
[18:28] <gofio> I'm having all kinds of problems tomreyn, thanks for ur help
[18:28] <tomreyn> you're welcome, gofio
[18:28] <Frogger-> tomreyn: Thanks.  Guess I'll wait then.
[18:29] <tomreyn> Frogger-: for a year?
[18:29] <Frogger-> Sure, why not?  I'm having no problems with 18.10.
[18:30] <Ben64> 18.10?
[18:30] <tomreyn> hmm i dont think 18.10 supports livepatching
[18:30] <Frogger-> Ben64:  Bionic.
[18:30] <tomreyn> !18.04
[18:30] <Frogger-> Err, Cosmic.  :-)
[18:30] <Ben64> 18.10 doesn't have live patching, and loses support in July
[18:30] <tomreyn> !18.10
[18:31] <Frogger-> So only LTS has livepatch?  I didn't know that.
[18:31] <Frogger-> In which case I might as well upgrade to 19.04.
[18:31] <tomreyn> !lts | Frogger-
[18:32] <tomreyn> next LTS will be 20.04
[18:32] <jcotton> !flavors > jcotton
[18:32] <Frogger-> tomreyn:  Yeah, I knew all that.  I've been running Kubuntu since Hoary.  :-)
[18:33] <tomreyn> Frogger-: well you confused a few thing, so i thought i'd explain.
[18:34] <Frogger-> tomreyn:  Thanks.  I appreciate your help.  I just wasn't aware that Livepatch was only for LTS.
[18:34] <tomreyn> i think it says on the website but it could be stated more clearly
[18:35] <Frogger-> Which I suppose makes sense.  Rebooting a desktop machine is much less of an issue than having to reboot my server.
[18:35] <tomreyn> right, and servers will still need to occasional reboot, too
[18:35] <gofio> looks like ubuntu doesn't like uneven-odd numbers tomreyn :-D 14...18...20...
[18:36] <tomreyn> gofio: what doesn't seem to work there?
[18:36] <tomreyn> oh you're commenting on LTS
[18:36] <gofio> I mean for the lst VERSIONS tomreyn (IF CUZ OF THAT)oops caps
[18:36] <gofio> yeap
[18:37] <gofio> don't wanna flood with my list of things not working here lol
[18:39] <tomreyn> gofio: you're welcome to discuss them, one at a time (if you seek assistence)
[18:40] <gofio> not sure what I have to do now with this balenaetcher iso tomreyn, unzip it I guess but then what
[18:41] <tomreyn> gofio: which operating system are you on now?
[18:41] <alien64> ok thanks guys dont need help today but im sure i will. just learning android studio.
[18:41] <gofio> ubuntu 17.10 tomreyn
[18:42] <gofio> just to make things worse, u know
[18:43] <tomreyn> gofio: right so you downloaded the linux x64 from the etcher website an unpack it and run it
[18:43] <tomreyn> oh wait thats an appimage
[18:43] <gofio> not run it yet
[18:43] <gofio> I have all kinds of issues, hard disk space among others
[18:44] <gofio> I'm trying to unzip it but it keeps telling mee I have no space
[18:44] <gofio> even in the 60g usb, so I'm guessing there must be something else apart from just space
[18:45] <tomreyn> df -h | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:45] <tomreyn> run this gofio
[18:46] <gofio> done tomreyn
[18:46] <tomreyn> gofio: it returned a http address, post that here
[18:46] <gofio> https://termbin.com/tber
[18:47] <tomreyn> you have 3,2 GB available on the disk where your /home directory and / directory are
[18:48] <gofio> those snaps are killing me tomreyn
[18:48] <tomreyn> this should be sufficient to unpack
[18:48] <tomreyn> ignore those snaps for now.
[18:48] <gofio> yeap those 3.2G are the ones I used to download a windows iso that left me with only 200mb left for a while
[18:49] <tomreyn> okay, trash the balena etcher you downloaded, my instructions were assuming you're not using linux.
[18:50] <gofio> to make things more difficult tomreyn I'm runing on spanish, so dunno the exact translations. I used "extract into" "extraer a" and keeps telling me there's no space, and can't copy the message
[18:51] <gofio> ook tomreyn, thanks good wasn't on mobile data xD :-)
[18:51] <tomreyn> gofio: the balena etcher you downloaded (which is the default offered for linux on their website) is not going to get you anywhere (without additional efforts which are not worth it)
[18:52] <gofio> I'll leave it in the usb for the moment, or move it to the other machine I still have kinda intact
[18:53] <tomreyn> gofio: here's how you can write the xubuntu installer ISO to your usb stick: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu
[18:53] <gofio> ty tomreyn
[18:54] <gofio> btw is that for dual boot with windows tomreyn ?
[18:54] <tomreyn> gofioany ubuntu destop installer can install next to windows
[18:55] <gofio> I could use one with 14.04 even in the machine I have with the hard disk gone, but it wasn't dual boot
[18:55] <gofio> ok, I guess I did something wrong then
[18:56] <ChetManly> so I am trying to use a seagate usb drive but it keeps mounting as readonly, but if I remount it as rw it enables the greyed out add folder icon in file explorer but still fails to write to the device. I rebooted to windows and chkdsk and it didnt help
[18:56] <gofio> the 17.10 version I had no problems with, even letting it make the hard disk partition (which I read it wasn't the best thing but had issues making the partition from windows - the first time, second time I could manage to make the partition first from windows, but now that machine is not runing and is the one I'm trying to fix now)
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> ChetManly: try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugin your device and share us the pastebin output please
[18:57] <jcotton> can you write to it from Windows?
[18:57] <qwebirc51503> Hello all. I'm having trouble logging in to my computer from gui
[18:57] <ChetManly> jcotton: never tried yet
[18:58] <qwebirc51503> Anyone care to help?
[18:59] <jcotton> be more specific and someone might be able to
[18:59] <tomreyn> !details | hi qwebirc51503
[18:59] <gofio> I'm following the tutorial tomreyn but do u think having the usb stick partitioned will be an issue?
[18:59] <ChetManly> jcotton: yes I can
[19:00] <tomreyn> gofio: you will know when you completed step 4
[19:00] <qwebirc51503> I'm using xubuntu 18.04. When I try to login it takes me back to the login screen
[19:01] <tomreyn> gofio: but i assume it will just work
[19:01] <gofio> great, we'll see in a moment tomreyn :-D
[19:01] <qwebirc51503> When trying to login with startx I get "unable to write to xauthority" or something along those lines
[19:01] <jcotton> tomreyn: is there a list of the bot's commands?
[19:02] <jcotton> tried both !help and !commands in PM
[19:02] <tomreyn> jcotton: ubottu.com
[19:02] <gofio> these tutorials for dummies is what I need tomreyn xD :-)
[19:02] <jcotton> thx
[19:02] <tomreyn> gofio: glad we agree ;-P
[19:02] <qwebirc51503> I can login with sudo startx but nothing else
[19:03] <qwebirc51503> I'm on my phone so I cant really show logs
[19:03] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: what led to this situation?
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> !brain > jcotton
[19:03] <ChetManly> jcotton: it wont eject properly in windows thou
[19:04] <jcotton> odd
[19:04] <ChetManly> keeping saying its busy
[19:04] <qwebirc51503> Tomreyn: I believe it has something to do with the fact that I hard to hard shutdown with the power button on my last session
[19:04] <gofio> hehe, first (logical) issue tomreyn the iso I'm gonna use was in the same place the program is gonna burn it lol so I'm moving it somwhere else
[19:05] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: do you know which file systems you have, something non-default?
[19:05] <qwebirc51503> Tomreyn: I'm not sure what you are asking. I'm using Xubuntu 18.04
[19:06] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: okay, you'll be using the defaults. let's switch to a text terminal using ctl-alt-f3
[19:06] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: once there, login
[19:06] <gofio> I've had some kinda same issues qwebirc51503 and after several trials it started well again. How many times have u tried to restart :?
[19:07] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: when you're logged in, run (withOUT sudo):  rm -r ~/.cache
[19:08] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: and tell me if it outputs anything.
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> !dmesg | ChetManly share some details please
[19:09] <tomreyn> gofio: yes that's not going to work, writing the iso contents to a storage which contains the file.
[19:09] <qwebirc51503> I've gotten "rm: descend into write protected directory '/home/joe/.cache/dconf?
[19:10] <gofio> I'm moving it from one partition to the other but it's 1.5g so it takes a while tomreyn
[19:10] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: yes
[19:10] <qwebirc51503> Ok
[19:10] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: it will probably print an error about being unable to remove this very directory, but thats ok
[19:11] <qwebirc51503> Also got remove write protected directory /home/joe/.cache/dconf?
[19:11] <gofio> gonna light up few candles tomreyn and pray that this works :-)
[19:11] <tomreyn> gofio: not the very latest computer, hmm?
[19:11] <gofio> this one I have I believe it's from 2008 tomreyn
[19:12] <gofio> been a while - original hard disk died long time ago, but here it is still
[19:12] <tomreyn> gofio: oh my, even xubuntu may be too tough for this one.
[19:12] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: yes
[19:12] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: will fail, but at least it'll continue
[19:12] <StupidBoy> hello world
[19:12] <tomreyn> keep answering 'yes' if there are more prompts
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> welcome StupidBoy
[19:12] <tomreyn> hello StupidBoy
[19:13] <StupidBoy> thx
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> how can we help you today StupidBoy
[19:13] <qwebirc51503> Lots of prompts. Now we have a gnome-software/odrs/chromium-browser.desktop.json
[19:13] <qwebirc51503> Remove?
[19:13] <gofio> and did not mention, but I'm on a second screen tomaw lol as the screen from the laptop it goes on and off (could be power cable/adaptator related as it happened before) but to put things in perspective....
[19:13] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: <tomreyn> keep answering 'yes' if there are more prompts
[19:14] <gofio> oops sorry tomaw, meant tomreyn
[19:14] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: if this is getting annoying just ctrl-c to cancel and we can override those questions
[19:15] <qwebirc51503> Ok now got "cannot remove /home/joe/cache: directory not empty"
[19:15] <tomaw> gofio: np!
[19:15] <qwebirc51503> And I'm back to being able to enter a command
[19:15] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: thats alright
[19:15] <gofio> :-)
[19:16] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: log out there now by pressing ctrl -d, and press ctrl-alt-f1 and try to login again
[19:16] <lhlbzz> jiahao
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> !zh | lhlbzz
[19:16] <gofio> and btw, if anybody knows somebody runing wordpress (dot org) only on linux...I'd be very much appreciated if u let me know :-)
[19:16] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: if it fails to login still, return by pressing ctrl-alt-f3 again and logging in
[19:17] <lhlbzz> ?join #ubuntu-cn
[19:17] <qwebirc51503> Ok going to try and login agin
[19:17] <tomreyn> /join #ubuntu-cn
[19:18] <qwebirc51503> Still cannot login via gui :(
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc51503: wich graphics card do you have?
[19:18] <qwebirc51503> Couldnt tell you lol. How do I find out
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc51503: sudo lshw -C video
[19:18] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: bad luck, login again and we'll see about the graphics card.
[19:19] <gofio> hmmmm...it seems Startup Disk Creator does not recognize my two partitions in the usb and only shows the usb as just big one tomreyn :-/ so it tells me it can't do it
[19:20] <tomreyn> gofio: it may be so that it "does not recognize my two partitions in the usb and only shows the usb as just big one", but this would not be why "it tells me it can't do it". what does it say exactly?
[19:20] <qwebirc51503> Display 0 says Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated graphics controller
[19:21] <gofio> again, it says it in spanish tomreyn but more or ñess it says it could not burn the image in the disk
[19:21] <tomreyn> start saving for a new computer soon
[19:21] <tomreyn> gofio: okay, you still have it running then?=
[19:21] <gofio> I'll try to put the image outside the usb, no matter is in different partitions and see if it's that tomreyn
[19:22] <tomreyn> gofio: it is not
[19:22] <gofio> yeap still running
[19:22] <tomreyn> gofio: open the file browser, see if it lists things you can 'eject' on the left
[19:23] <gofio> oh I mean it finished, but the machine is still running :-)
[19:23] <gofio> yeap it does
[19:23] <gofio> both partitions are well in the file browser
[19:23] <tomreyn> what finished?
[19:23] <gofio> moving from one partition to the other (finished)
[19:24] <tomreyn> oh, yes, you needed to finish this before you could write to the usb storage. that's obvious, i would think?
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc51503: do you have different kernel versions, we can boot test?
[19:25] <tomreyn> gofio: using the usb creator utility will delete anything that is currently stored on the usb storage. so if the iso file was still on there it would get deleted. and because it doesn't want to do that, it would fail to do that.
[19:25] <qwebirc51503> I'm not sure how I could revert to an older kernel. I just did some software update yesterday that I think was a kernel
[19:25] <gofio> now back the iso from one partition of the usb to the desktop (will take some minutes) and then will try again with the creator tomreyn
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc51503: hold shift at boot to enter grub, then boot a previous kernel if there is one
[19:26] <gofio> I have one partition empty, let see if that helps, and the iso outside the usb
[19:26] <qwebirc51503> OK. Do I hold shift after bios or before?
[19:27] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: right after
[19:27] <tomreyn> gofio: ok, sounds good.
[19:27] <qwebirc51503> Alright. One second. Will reply with update.
[19:27] <gofio> well, it did not take that long. Fingers crossed now
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc51503: if you can, please let us know wich kernels are in your list aswell
[19:27] <qwebirc51503> Ok
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[19:29] <qwebirc51503> Do I select "advanced options for ubuntu"?
[19:29] <ioria> qwebirc51503,  yes
[19:30] <gofio> don't wanna type while it's working but it looks like it's doing its thing tomreyn :thumbsup:
[19:31] <qwebirc51503> I've got 4.18.0-17-generic, 4.18.0-17-generic (recovery mode), and 4.18.0-15 generic and recovery
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[19:31] <tomreyn> gofio: ok good
[19:32] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic-hwe bionic
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc51503: ok lets try a -15 as a test
[19:32] <ioria> qwebirc51503,  if -17 has issues for you, try -15
[19:32] <ioria> qwebirc51503,   -15 generic
[19:32] <qwebirc51503> Loading 15
[19:32] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 bionic
[19:32] <qwebirc51503> Let's see if this works.
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> tnx tomreyn
[19:33] <qwebirc51503> Still nothing. Will not let me login through GUI
[19:33] <ioria> qwebirc51503,  i'd try nomodeset
[19:34] <qwebirc51503> Ioria: explain please
[19:34] <ioria> !nomodeset | qwebirc51503
[19:34] <ioria> qwebirc51503, can you login in console tty ?
[19:34] <gofio> success tomreyn, hopefully now i'd have a xubuntu 18.04 bootable pendrive, let see how it goes from here
[19:35] <qwebirc51503> Ioria: I am not sure with how to login with tty
[19:35] <qwebirc51503> Ioria: I can login with sudo startx but not user startx
[19:35] <OerHeks> yay supertuxcart 1.0 update
[19:35] <ioria> qwebirc51503, ctrl+alt+f3
[19:35] <qwebirc51503> Ok
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: does that mean we can online battle now?
[19:36] <OerHeks> lotuspsychje, yes
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> : )
[19:36] <tomreyn> gofio: good. use the *temporary* boot device override of your mainboard firmware ("BIOS") to boot off this USB stick. usually you press some F key after power on to do that. do not "enter BIOS" and permanenty change the boot device order.
[19:36] <ioria> qwebirc51503, login as your user (not root) and paste     ls -al ~/  | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:37] <gofio> hehe yeap now I can understand the creator does not care about partitions tomreyn as it seems it erased everything it was in there no matter how many partitions there were. And so it went away the 3g windows iso I also had that took ages to download lol. If this works I don't care though
[19:38] <gofio> yeap I change it many times that boot order tomreyn let see how it goes
[19:38] <tomreyn> gofio: i told you it would overwrite everythgin stored there. twice.
[19:38] <qwebirc51503> Ioria: I get https://termbin.com/e4st as a return
[19:38] <gofio> I know I know tomreyn but I wondered what would happen with the partitions
[19:39] <tomreyn> gofio: partitions are a form of data on a storage.
[19:39] <gofio> now I know it does not care aboutpartitions, it takes the usb as a whole
[19:39] <ioria> qwebirc51503,  sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.Xauthority   and do the dame for  .ICEauthority
[19:39] <tomreyn> gofio: that's right
[19:40] <gofio> I can download the other iso any time. Although 3gs, wow
[19:40] <ioria> qwebirc51503,  dame = same
[19:40] <qwebirc51503> Do I replace "$USER:$USER" with "$joe:$joe" since my user is joe?
[19:40] <ioria> yes
[19:40] <ioria> nope
[19:40] <ioria> qwebirc51503,  sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.Xauthority
[19:41] <ioria> qwebirc51503,  as i wrote it
[19:41] <lhlbzz> goodnight everbody
[19:41] <gofio> great tomreyn, first try, one of the laptops I have fd up it opens the grub or gui or however it's called right away, and already doing its thing
[19:42] <gofio> next gonna try it with the laptop it got a hard disk failure
[19:42] <ioria> qwebirc51503,  after ,   sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.ICEauthority
[19:42] <qwebirc51503> Ioria: issued both commands
[19:42] <qwebirc51503> Ioria: what now?
[19:42] <ioria> qwebirc51503,  sudo rm -rif ~/.dbus
[19:42] <gofio> ok, got xubuntu 18.04 runing tomreyn in one computer. It looks nice, and blue :-)
[19:42] <qwebirc51503> Ioria: done
[19:43] <ioria> qwebirc51503,  sudo rm -rif ~/.gvfs
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[19:43] <qwebirc51503> Ioria: done
[19:43] <ioria> qwebirc51503,  paste again     ls -al ~/  | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:43] <tomreyn> !ops
[19:43] <OerHeks> !ot | FOSS_Fundraiser please do not spam
[19:44] <gofio> wished I could help FOSS_Fundraiser
[19:44] <qwebirc51503> Ioria: what do I paste again? I've done all the commands
[19:44] <gofio> it always can get worse though
[19:44] <ioria> qwebirc51503,  paste again     ls -al ~/  | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:45] <qwebirc51503> Ioria: it returns https://termbin.com/ktxf
[19:45] <dax> tomreyn: ty, sorted
[19:45] <gofio> k, gonna see if it works in the other computer and later on will focus on the windows boot repair tomreyn. Thank u so much!
[19:45] <ioria> qwebirc51503, ok,  sudo service lightdm restart
[19:45] <tomreyn> dax: not really
[19:46] <dax> tomreyn: it got K-Lined, and its new incarnation is about to be too
[19:46] <tomreyn> thank you
[19:46] <qwebirc51503> Ioria: IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:47] <ioria> qwebirc51503, good boy
[19:47] <tomreyn> gofio: you'Re welcome, good luck!
[19:47] <qwebirc51503> ioria: will I have problems with this in the future?
[19:47] <ioria> qwebirc51503, not if stopusing sudo startx
[19:47] <ioria> qwebirc51503, not if stop using sudo startx
[19:47] <lhlbzz> time
[19:47] <qwebirc51503> So I should stop using sudo startx right?
[19:48] <ioria> qwebirc51503, sudo startx   is a very bad thingon ubuntu
[19:48] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: *never* start X as root
[19:48] <tomreyn> qwebirc51503: also dont use startx anymore.
[19:48] <ChetManly> jcotton: write caching...
[19:48] <qwebirc51503> OK
[19:48] <qwebirc51503> ioria: I owe you one
[19:48] <ioria> qwebirc51503, no problem
[19:49] <gofio> shuting down first computer, checked the windows files it's all in there. Now gonna try with the other computer is got the hard disk either dead or near to. So far so good tomreyn!
[19:50] <James_Epp> Hi, can anyone offer some advice for troubleshooting crontabs? I'm a student and not sure where I'm going wrong. My (user) crontab entry is in the paste. If I "time travel" with the date command in the paste to just before the command is to execute, the command doesn't work. Does time traveling like this not work at all? I'll note my network is disconnected, no NTP to worry about. https://bpaste.net/show/caead0618575
[19:50] <qwebirc51503> ioria: will I have problems with this if I restart the computer?
[19:51] <ioria> qwebirc51503, i don't think so ...
[19:51] <gofio> not sure if I'll can but I'll switch hard disks if I can so at least instead of two half laptops I can have almost one tomreyn :-D
[19:51] <qwebirc51503> ioria: OK. If I do, I'll just get back on here lol
[19:51] <ioria> qwebirc51503, ok
[19:51] <qwebirc51503> Ioria: u da man. Or woman, idk lol
[19:51] <ioria> qwebirc51503, lol
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> !cron | James_Epp start here
[19:53] <ioria> qwebirc51503, for the record your card brings a bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639
[19:55] <gofio> oh yes tomreyn, also working in the laptop with no (aparently) hard disk! (and no keyboard lol working on a bluetooth one - now also switching from one laptop to the other as both are HP but conections are missplaced) oooh boy, the walking dead are baack :-D
[19:57] <tomreyn> gofio: it's sufficient to just ask new questions here (and report context then) when you run into more ubuntu issues. we keep this channel strictly to support Q&A really. Thanks, and good luck!
[19:57] <gofio> thanks!
[19:57] <James_Epp> lotuspsychje: Unfortunately I don't see any good troubleshooting advice in that article.
[19:57] <gofio> gonna have more questions coming I'm afraid :-D
[19:58] <gofio> where should I ask about the windows boot repair from xubuntu tomreyn :?
[20:01] <OerHeks> gofio, "windows" boot repair? in ##windows i guess., with your windows iso
[20:01] <tomreyn> gofio: for anything of this procedure which is about windows, you could ask in ##windows (yes, 2 x '#'), for anything relating to ubuntu, you can ask here.
[20:01] <gofio> but I'd have to do it from ubuntu
[20:02] <gofio> but that's a good starting point OerHeks thanks!
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> James_Epp: if volunteers have ideas they will answer you, if not try again repeating your issue once in a while okay?
[20:03] <gofio> I'm trying to straight install ubuntu in the laptop is got the hard disk fkd see what happens
[20:03] <James_Epp> I will, thanks lotuspsychje
[20:08] <gofio> in the type of configuration for xubuntu 18.04 (translating from spanish) I have three choices being the first to erase evrything (which I wont take) what's the best one?
[20:09] <gofio> when installing the 17.10 I believe took the "other options", but I wasn't in a support chat back then
[20:09] <gofio> the least steps back the better
[20:10] <gofio> most proll it's gonna fail anyways cuz of the hard disk, but anyways
[20:10] <jeremy31> gofio, do you want to replace the 17.10 partition with 18.04?
[20:11] <gofio> no no, straight into 18.04, no 17.10. 17.10 is the machine I'm typing into right now, the 18.04 is another laptop I have with a recent hard disk failure
[20:11] <jeremy31> gofio, is 18.04 the only OS on the other laptop?
[20:12] <gofio> and I'm in that window jeremy31  u know, where anything I do might have no way back u know
[20:12] <gofio> nop, it says it recognizes more jeremy31
[20:12] <James_Epp> gofio: have you taken a backup yet?
[20:12] <gofio> and as matter of fact I want to have a dual boot in all machines
[20:12] <gofio> not really James_Epp the hard disk I'm afraid is toasted
[20:13] <JayDoubleu> when will ubuntu make python3 default ?
[20:14] <gofio> when I tried with another flash drives and ubuntu 14.04 still could open the windows files but recently i could not - still tells there's a hard disk, but it does not open it anymore - and several bios and other HP tools for diagnosis it told me had a fast std failure
[20:15] <OerHeks> JayDoubleu, i guess it is already in 18.04 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Other_base_system_changes_since_16.04_LTS
[20:15] <JayDoubleu> OerHeks: im on 19.04 and python still points to python 2
[20:16] <gofio> I'm gonna go for the "other options" jeremy31 (most of my problems have always come from not really knowing what I was doing at this step)
[20:16] <JayDoubleu> hmm I guess that if they dont include it by default then they dont rely on it so its easy to swtich to python3 unlike fedora which uses yum and some core stuff which is written in python
[20:17] <jeremy31> gofio, the more you mess with that drive the less chance you have to recover anything from it
[20:17] <FreeBDSM> hello
[20:17] <FreeBDSM> may I safely use gparted to grow my home partition on the disk?
[20:17] <OerHeks> no, is is cruftfrom an upgrade i guess, python2 2.7 is optional
[20:17] <FreeBDSM> I have unallocated space on the disk
[20:17] <FreeBDSM> right after that partition
[20:17] <OerHeks> !info python2 disco
[20:18] <jeremy31> FreeBDSM: back up first as there are some risks
[20:18] <OerHeks> FreeBDSM, sure, growing is possible and safe. making smaller is not possible without live iso
[20:18] <FreeBDSM> jeremy31: I don't have place to backup to, other disks are ntfs, writing to ntfs is very error prone
[20:18] <gofio> I know jeremy31 that's why asking. Gonna see if I can exchange hard disks between the two laptops both HP pavilion, see if that works and so I'd leave the troubled HD rest for a while
[20:18] <OerHeks> yeah, no backup of your data, then your data is not important.
[20:19] <jeremy31> FreeBDSM: upload to cloud storage
[20:19] <JayDoubleu> ok so having python pointing to python3 in bashrc is a bit ugly, is there a way to make python3 default ?
[20:20] <gofio> ok wished I could share a screen shot. I went for the "other options" and xubuntu recognizes the sizes of all hard disks, types, and all that. Gee wished I knew what to do next
[20:21] <gofio> think I'll leave it alone for now anyways out of the 750G there's only 20 left and I don't think that's enough to install xubuntu, is it
[20:22] <FreeBDSM> so the prompt appears even if I attempt to create a new partition out from unallocated space on the disk, wtf?
[20:23] <jeremy31> FreeBDSM: Are you using the Live USB to change partition size?
[20:23] <FreeBDSM> jeremy31: no, my regular system boot
[20:23] <gofio> that's what I'm doing to..
[20:23] <gofio> too
[20:23] <jeremy31> FreeBDSM: some changes are not allowed when the drive is mounted and you will need to use gparted from a Live ISO
[20:24] <tomreyn> gofio: i could repeat what others told you: you really need backups, not na new installation on a broken storage (that's the last thing you need). your hard disk is probably about to fail. also moving it out of the computer and "letting it rest for a while" isn't going to improve it.
[20:24] <FreeBDSM> jeremy31: AFAIK there's no such a thing as a 'mounted drive', one may mount only partitions
[20:25] <gofio> I know tomreyn but meanwhile if the other laptop's hard disk fits in (which I still don't know) at least I'd have one laptop working, instead of two not working at all u know
[20:25] <jeremy31> FreeBDSM: It is still mounted
[20:26] <tomreyn> gofio: yes, and you can install xubuntu to a working hard disk. https://xubuntu.org/requirements/
[20:28] <gofio> the laptop with the hard disk working (but winodws not booting since I messed up with this very same step when trying with the 14.04) the screen-cover it's broken at the hinge, u know, gotta replace it anyways and at the same time clean the fans and so on, and so the screen just goes white as soon as u touch it, thus is not operative until I buy the replacement. While the other laptop has no hard disk, but the structure is solid
[20:29] <gofio> good thing though is that xubuntu is working on both
[20:30] <gofio> bad thing is (or at least still dunno why) saving profiles when leaving the live sesion I still didn't get to that, and it's really a pain havin to put wifi pass everytime, and all the rest
[20:30] <FreeBDSM> how to list partitions UUIDs?
[20:30] <gofio> still dunno how I meant
[20:31] <FreeBDSM> what's better to specify in fstab: UUIDs or /deb/sdb3?
[20:31] <jeremy31> FreeBDSM: sudo blkid
[20:31] <jeremy31> UUID is preferred in /etc/fstab FreeBDSM
[20:33] <FreeBDSM> why's there no /dev/mapper/ path for my partitions?
[20:34] <tmuwa> Has somebody already tried to install mysql-workbench in ubuntu 19?
[20:34] <FreeBDSM> mysql workbench is a piece of shit
[20:34] <gofio> btw, anybody knows if there is any specific ubuntu english/spanish kinda dictionary?
[20:36] <tmuwa> Then tell me a better alternative FreeBDSM
[20:38] <FreeBDSM> tmuwa: I haven't found one. I've only found out that mysql workbench is a buggy and crashy piece of shit and that HeidiSQL works fine via wine
[20:38] <FreeBDSM> I probably wouldn't install wine just for an SQL client
[20:38] <tmuwa> For me it has always been the other way round
[20:38] <FreeBDSM> but I have wine anyways
[20:39] <FreeBDSM> well, mysql workbench is defacto buggy and crashy
[20:43] <FreeBDSM> what's ubuntu's alternative to 'wheel' group? sudo?
[20:43] <gofio> already have the libraries so... https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/prefs-language-install.html.en Anyways. Whatever
[20:43] <benharri> sudo group
[20:50] <hugotty> the mysql  CLI is pretty darn good if you ask me
[20:51] <Pharaoh> Hi! Anyone has an idea on the broken desktop shortcuts in 19.04? Also, my 1801 -> 19.04 upgrade seems broken. The updater said it will revert changes but now I have 19.04. Any clue?
[20:53] <tmuwa> hugotty: Not if you have to deal with rubbish "naturally grown" databases ;-)
[20:54] <tomreyn> Pharaoh: what's "1801"?
[20:54] <Pharaoh> tomreyn: typo. My apologies! It is 18.10
[20:55] <MrElendig> FreeBDSM: sd* are not persistent
[20:55] <MrElendig> s/persistent/reliable
[20:55] <tomreyn> Pharaoh: chances are you had a bunch of PPA packages / (or even worse) versions installed when you started the upgrade
[20:56] <MrElendig> FreeBDSM: also lsblk is generally nicer than blkid
[20:56] <tomreyn> Pharaoh: that's how you make upgrades break anyways.
[20:56] <MrElendig> FreeBDSM: findmnt if it is already mounted
[20:57] <Pharaoh> tomreyn: I never had this kind of an issue with an upgrade in the last 3 years. I did a fresh install before that!
[20:57] <tomreyn> Pharaoh: if you'd like to look into how to clean this up, we'll need some command output from you. for starters:  nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[20:57] <kinghat> can i not just take an ssh key to another system and have it work? or maybe im missing a setup step as well.
[20:57] <Pharaoh> tomreyn: thank you. let me try that.
[20:58] <MrElendig> kinghat: should work fine
[20:58] <hugotty> tmuwa: Haha you have a point there. Now that I think about it, my usual solition in such scenarios is just to use good ol' phpmyadmin. Very simple and stable web interface. It's even in the repos if I'm not mistaken.
[20:58] <BigBrothyr> is there a way to get middle-click auto-scrolling?
[20:58] <MrElendig> kinghat: are you trying to copy the public or the private key though?
[20:58] <tomreyn> kinghat: file and directory (.ssh) ownership, permissions (file and .ssh)
[20:58] <MrElendig> BigBrothyr: that is a per application thing
[20:59] <MrElendig> BigBrothyr: firefox supports it, not many other apps does
[20:59] <tomreyn> !chat | hugotty + tmuwa
[20:59] <BigBrothyr> MrElendig, oh. kind of seems like all browsers for windows supports it.
[21:00] <Pharaoh> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/jtgr  . I had an error message stating 5.0.xxx kernel could not be installed but it is there
[21:00] <Pharaoh> tomreyn: that was during the upgrade process
[21:01] <kinghat> MrElendig/tomreyn: ya i just copy pasted from host to guest vm.
[21:02] <kinghat> permissions look that same on each system:  https://irc.kinghat.info/uploads/a9eee18efbcd2f48/Screenshot--04-21-2019--16-02-41.png
[21:04] <kinghat> https://hasteb.in/mirutuya.rb
[21:05] <MrElendig> what is the error?
[21:06] <tomreyn> Pharaoh: thanks, and sorry, got distracted. now: sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[21:06] <MrElendig> try -i, and if it still fails, -vvv
[21:07] <kinghat> is it because its not a default key name? or not added to agent?
[21:07] <MrElendig> kinghat: .ssh has to be 700, keys should be 600
[21:07] <Pharaoh> tomreyn: thank you!
[21:08] <Pugabyte> hi all; trying to boot up my ubuntu 18.10 desktop yesterday, ran into some issues. The screen will turn purple, then black, and just hang. no text shown on the screen or anything. since i wasnt using it, i let it sit overnight, woke up to no change. ive tried multiple reboots, all the same. ive run into this before but it usually sorts it self out
[21:08] <Pugabyte> after the 3rd or 4th reboot. additionally, when i hit the power button (not holding), the ubuntu shutdown screen comes up, with the 5 orange/white dot loading bar and ubuntu logo. ive tried following an askubuntu.com thread to enable nomodset, but it did not help. any next steps i can take? (note: im not experienced with ubuntu outside of its norma
[21:08] <Pugabyte> l runtime; i dont know where to look when its in a state like this)
[21:08] <MrElendig> also namei -m path/to/key is nicer than a screenshot of gui dialogs
[21:09] <Pharaoh> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/gzbj
[21:09] <MrElendig> or better, -l
[21:10] <tomreyn> Pharaoh: see what you just posted, does this explain enough what needs to be done (the lines on top)?
[21:10] <kinghat> MrElendig: https://hasteb.in/zopopova.nginx
[21:11] <tomreyn> Pharaoh: this isn't critical, and you can do it later, but it's something you should tend to.
[21:11] <kinghat> MrElendig: https://hasteb.in/fodehoqe.lua
[21:11] <Pharaoh> tomreyn: Yes. Should I manually remove redundant config or is there a tool. Or, can I wait for the next updates and expect that to fix it?
[21:13] <gofio> I know it's not the place and sorry for that, but just to let u know tomreyn about the hard disks, already exchanged them and fit perfectly, and running xubuntu from the pend drive. Point is, by exchanging the hard disks, will also let me know if the failure comes from cable conections and so on, as the fast self check diagnosys pointed out it could be one of the reasons. eom :-) ty - which I'm seeing right now I'm afraid aint gonna be the case. Anyways... :-)
[21:14] <tomreyn> Pharaoh: apt update'ing will not change the apt configuration, which this is about. you'll need to handle it manually. so the disco-partner apt repository is configured in two locations, line 43 of /etc/apt/sources.list and line 4 of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/disco-partner.list - I would keep the latter as it is and remove those lines from the former (but not the whole file)
[21:15] <MrElendig> did -i help?
[21:15] <OerHeks> disco-proposed ..
[21:15] <OerHeks> is this standard enabled?
[21:15] <Pharaoh> tomreyn: Thank you. I will fix it.
[21:16] <tomreyn> OerHeks: i assume not so
[21:17] <tomreyn> Pharaoh: this said, there IS a graphical utility which will touch one of these two locations, and i'm not sure which
[21:17] <Pharaoh> toreyn: I will figure it out, thanks again!
[21:19] <tomreyn> Pharaoh: i always forget the name of this software, got it now: software-properties-gtk
[21:19] <Pharaoh> toreyn: Ok. Thank you so  much
[21:20] <tomreyn> you'Re welcome
[21:22] <tomreyn> Pharaoh: so once that's done, i suggest you run the same series of commands again:  sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[21:22] <tomreyn> Pharaoh:  and after that:   ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:24] <rebab> XFCE panel doesn't start automatically how do I fix it?
[21:25] <MrElendig> depends on how you broke it
[21:25] <MrElendig> looking in the autostart settings would be a start
[21:25] <vimar>  rebab try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xfce4-panel
[21:26] <MrElendig> I assume it does show up if you start it by hand
[21:27] <rebab> Well, "CTRL+ALT+F1" and "CTRL+ALT+F7" fixing this problem every reboot.
[21:27] <rebab> I don't know how...
[21:27] <gofio> ook, here I am about to install xubuntu 18.04 from the flash drive into a hard disk that already has its partition done from windows. Is there any link to a dummie like tutorial where it explains what is better from here on? Hard disk still does not boot from windows but I guess i'll be able to focus on that later, isn't it. Thanks in advance
[21:28] <vimar> rebab: eventually: sudo apt-get -f install --reinstall xfce4-panel then LogOFF
[21:28] <gofio> this is the same step where I was more than a month ago before I fkd it up so, my plan is not to repeat same mistakes
[21:29] <rebab> MrElendig: if it couns (ctrl+alt+f1 and ctrl+alt+f7)
[21:29] <gofio> also, can I make the instalation process in english and then change everything into spanish later? thanks
[21:29] <rebab> vimar: should i execute both?
[21:29] <MrElendig> rebab: sounds more like it is started but just hidden
[21:30] <MrElendig> check the panel settings for the hiding option?
[21:30] <rebab> MrElendig: How?
[21:31] <MrElendig> right click -> panel -> panel preferences o
[21:31] <gofio> having a look at this https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-install-ubuntu-desktop#0 hope it's enough to not screw things up
[21:31] <rebab> MrElendig: hide panel = never
[21:32] <tomreyn> gofio: you can select english for the installation and change your locale later, yes. on the "installation type" screen, do you see a "install ubuntu alongside windows" option?
[21:33] <gofio> first I see is "try ubuntu" alongside "install ubuntu" tomreyn
[21:33] <gofio> and haven't gone any further from there yet before I'm sure
[21:33] <tomreyn> gofio: yes, choose install
[21:33] <rebab> I don't know why but switching fixes this problem. ctrl+alt+f1 and ctrl+alt+f7 works but I am tired of doing this.
[21:33] <gofio> k, done
[21:33] <gofio> and next is the language so I chose english
[21:34] <tomreyn> ok, and now you're at this screen, right? https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-install-ubuntu-desktop
[21:34] <gofio> and connecting to the wifi as we speak
[21:34] <tomreyn> yes connect wifi
[21:35] <gofio> not there yet, yeap, conecting wifi, pass, etc
[21:36] <gofio> k, connected, now checking the install third-party software
[21:36] <tomreyn> gofio: oh did you set the keyboard layout to match yours thopuogh?
[21:36] <tomreyn> you should nto have left that set to english if you have a spanish one
[21:37] <gofio> yeap that's the thing tomreyn , keyboard then is a mess, but if I can change it later on no worries, i rather that than having to be translating here without knowing
[21:38] <gofio> k, here I am now at THE POINT. Installation type...
[21:38] <gofio> double drum...
[21:38] <tomreyn> gofio: there are two settings it asks oyu about: one is the language to use during the installation process (choose english), the other is the keyboard layout to use (choose spanish)
[21:39] <gofio> ook tomreyn then I'm going back before going further
[21:39] <tomreyn> right
[21:40] <gofio> mmmmhh....I'd say it does not lt me that option
[21:40] <gofio> if I choose spanish in the keyboard it goes into spanish the other side as well
[21:40] <tomreyn> and you can no longer change it on the 2nd screen?
[21:41] <gofio> I'm doing the auto detect let see
[21:41] <tomreyn> hmm maybe the xubuntu installer is different than what i see here, i'm using the ubuntu one
[21:41] <gofio> both screens seem to go hand in hand tomreyn
[21:41] <gofio> I've done the auto detect and it says spanish
[21:42] <tomreyn> yes, since your keyboard is spanish, you should use the spanish keyboard input
[21:42] <tomreyn> i'll download the xubuntu installer quickly
[21:42] <tomreyn> 19.04, right?
[21:43] <tomreyn> or was it 18.04?
[21:43] <Krennic> lol
[21:43] <gofio> I knew it wasn't just cuz I wanted it. As matter of fact this laptop I'm making the install into now (with the other's laptop hard disk) does not have keyboard cuz when I bought it after I broke the previous one, I bought it in england and missed that part lol so could not use the keyboard had to return it and here I am without a keyboard on the laptop and a usb one
[21:44] <gofio> 18.04
[21:44] <gofio> already made enoughs tests :-D
[21:44] <gofio> for the 19 one
[21:45] <tomreyn> oh 18.04 LTS, okay, another download then
[21:45] <gofio> k, installation type...something else...
[21:45] <gofio> yeap I believe is something like xubuntu 18.04.2 could it be?
[21:46] <gofio> layout is very nice, though I hope Ican get back to the gnome from ubuntu 17.10 as I had it
[21:46] <gofio> k, now is checking for hard disks
[21:46] <rebab> MrElendig: Yes, you're right. It is like hidden. But I can click anything on start. It's not just the panel. Only switching GUI -> Terminal -> GUI fixes this for now. Do you have any suggestion?
[21:47] <rebab> MrElendig: *I can't click anything sorry.
[21:47] <gofio> hopefully will show the partition already made back in the day
[21:47] <gofio> can I paste an image of the screen tomreyn ?
[21:48] <gofio> i mean a link to the image
[21:48] <tomreyn> gofio: the installation language is chosen on the first screen where you also have the choice between "try xubuntu" and "install xubuntu". by directly clicking on "install xubuntu" you chose english, too, which is fine.
[21:48] <gofio> so u can see what I see cuz this part of the process is really the one I need support, indeed
[21:48] <tomreyn> gofio: on the next screen you set up your keyboard layout as spanish, if i got you right, and that's fine, too.
[21:49] <gofio> yeap so far installation is going in english, which is great
[21:49] <tomreyn> gofio: i am doing the ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS amd64 installation here as well now.
[21:49] <gofio> hehe, syncronized
[21:49] <tomreyn> gofio: when you need to post an image, use imgur.com and post the web address here afterwards
[21:50] <gofio> this part is the one that really bugs me off the installation type
[21:50] <gofio> ok, so I'm gonna take a shot
[21:50] <koality_> hello
[21:51] <tomreyn> hi koality_
[21:51] <koality_> I've been reading up on this for a while, but permissions does "other" have for -rwsr-s--S. I think owner has read/write/execute, group has read/write, but not so sure about last one.
[21:53] <tomreyn> !man | this is how you can look such things up, koality_
[21:54] <MrElendig> koality_: read up on suid
[21:54] <tomreyn> koality_: those "man pages" are also available online at https://manpages.ubuntu.com
[21:55] <koality_> I'm aware about man pages, but thanks. I did, suid gives permissions of the owner to all, but I'm confused as to why there's "S" in the last bit
[21:56] <koality_> couldn't find any source that mentions what an S in the other/world bitfield does
[22:00] <OerHeks> s(setuid)
[22:02]  * MrElendig just did google "ls -l capital S" and got multiple relevant hits
[22:02] <OerHeks> 2nd  s (setgid bit)
[22:03] <tomreyn> koality_: you can also use the getfacl command to get a more "human friendly" description
[22:03] <tomreyn> gofio: what happened to you?
[22:03] <tomreyn> i hope that "shot" referred to taking a photo?
[22:04] <OerHeks> The capital S indicates the file has a setuid bit set but is not executable
[22:04] <gofio> haha sorryyyy this is taking longer than I had expected. I have to take the picture with a camera and usually not having trouble with the bluetooth from the phone tothe laptop but right now it is, so have to take the pic with a camera...insert the flash...open shotwell.....
[22:05] <gofio> wait till all the 8g of the flash drive open since it's the last pic...export it...uploaded...and finally will paste the link in a few moments lol #ohboy
[22:05] <tomreyn> gofio: you can also just take screenshots on the live system
[22:06] <gofio> before installing tomreyn  :?
[22:06] <tomreyn> gofio: well, let's discuss this another time, keep going+
[22:06] <gofio> I'm half way done already so it wont take much longer. Thanks for being there!
[22:06] <tomreyn> ;-)
[22:08] <gofio> I'm using now more imgbb to upload images, but it's the same. Uploading...
[22:09] <gofio> I shoot in .nef format which is Nikon propietary and that's one of the reasons linux still I can't use it in full...
[22:10] <MrElendig> there are nef conversion tools that works with almost all nikon camers
[22:10] <MrElendig> also, you could not use nef :p
[22:11] <gofio> here it is tomreyn https://i.imgur.com/6ZUl2kW.jpg
[22:11] <tomreyn> gofio: you skipped a screen there
[22:11] <gofio> where it says "windows recovery environment" I believe that's the partition I made from within windows
[22:11] <koality_> thanks, so I've read up on this more. Please let me know if this statement is correct: "-rwsr-s--S 1 owner group..." means owner has rwx permissions, group has rx permissions (but inherits w from owner on execution), and other has no permissions (but inherits rwx on execution).
[22:11] <gofio> posted the direct link
[22:12] <tomreyn> gofio: what about this one? https://i.imgur.com/7yj09a4.png
[22:12] <tomreyn> gofio: yours should have said something about windows on top
[22:12] <gofio> indeed MrElendig and shotwell does a great job, by viewnx from nikon has propietary things that honestly no other software I've seen does equal
[22:13] <MrElendig> like not working even on windows
[22:13]  * MrElendig has a d7100
[22:13] <gofio> sure still dunno how to manage it well, but I'm finding lots of trouble with it (and many other image related things) but oh well, learning...
[22:14] <gofio> what software do u use for the d7100 MrElendig in ubuntu I mean
[22:14] <FreeBDSM> how to backup properly?
[22:14] <FreeBDSM> how to sync 2 folders?
[22:14] <FreeBDSM> I mean reliably
[22:14] <MrElendig> FreeBDSM: 3-2-1 and restic/borg/similar
[22:14] <gofio> as viewer MrElendig
[22:14] <MrElendig> gofio: 99% of the work ends up being done in darktable usually
[22:15] <FreeBDSM> MrElendig: what's 3-2-1? is it an util's name?
[22:15] <MrElendig> FreeBDSM: 3 copies total, two local and one remote
[22:15] <MrElendig> aka your working copy, a local backup and a remote backup
[22:15] <gofio> oh tomreyn I guess that's cuz of the not booting windows thing? dunno, I'll make a screen shot of the previous window yeap, thanks for leting me know
[22:16] <MrElendig> FreeBDSM: having a backup in your home doesn't help much when the house burns down after all
[22:16] <tomreyn> gofio: okay, see you in an hour
[22:16] <gofio> thanks MrElendig
[22:16] <FreeBDSM> MrElendig: that's a smart approach, thank you.
[22:16] <MrElendig> arguably there are better backup schemes than 3-2-1, but it works and is easy
[22:17] <MrElendig> and fairly inexpensive
[22:17] <gofio> lol yeap tomreyn :-D
[22:17] <Claudia> Hello everyone.. im from Argentina
[22:17] <FreeBDSM> MrElendig: though it's quite hard to find a remote place to store data :/
[22:17] <MrElendig> there are multiple variants of 3-2-1 too though
[22:18] <MrElendig> FreeBDSM: it's not
[22:18] <FreeBDSM> I don't really trust servers not owned by me
[22:18] <MrElendig> FreeBDSM: that is what encryption is for
[22:18] <FreeBDSM> and encrypting everything before an upload may take long time
[22:18] <MrElendig> both restic and borg will encrypt locally before you transmit
[22:19] <MrElendig> FreeBDSM: not really, unless you have a gigabit pipe, your network connection is going to be the limiting factor, not the encryption overhead
[22:19] <OerHeks> encrypt-on-the-fly
[22:19] <FreeBDSM> MrElendig: how can you be sure your encryption is good if you use the same passphrase for all your data?
[22:19] <MrElendig> FreeBDSM: remember: you can use hardware acceleration for the encryption these days
[22:19] <OerHeks> grinn
[22:20] <MrElendig> FreeBDSM: ?
[22:21] <FreeBDSM> MrElendig: if you encrypt gigabytes of data using just a 20 char long pass-phrase - is it really secure?
[22:21] <MrElendig> if your password doesn't suck, you keep it safe, and you use a proven encryption, yes
[22:21] <MrElendig> you can also use keys and/or two factor auth
[22:22] <MrElendig> instead of just a plain password
[22:22] <FreeBDSM> that's essentially the same thing, just a bit longer and stored as a file
[22:23] <MrElendig> not quite
[22:25] <gofio> k, here it is tomreyn https://i.imgur.com/XY1wegN.jpg
[22:25] <HelpMe849> HELP
[22:25] <gofio> less than 10 minutes! :-D
[22:26] <HelpMe849> how to hibernate in ubuntu? i have 16 gb ram and 20 gb swap partition
[22:26] <tomreyn> gofio: okay, "windows is not mentioned there, the first option it lists is 'erase disk and install xubuntu'" would have worked, too
[22:26] <tomreyn> gofio: but this is a bit better, i agree.
[22:26] <tomreyn> gofio: so it didn't detect an existing windows installation#
[22:26] <MrElendig> HelpMe849: systemctl hibernate should work out of the box
[22:27] <tomreyn> gofio: did you say you have an idea why this may be?
[22:27] <MrElendig> HelpMe849: but then again, s2d is horribly unreliable
[22:27] <ibrumfield> anyone getting stutters occasionally during normal use? like a 2 sec freeze?
[22:27] <gofio> but it says there are other OS INSTALLED, ISN't it tomreyn ? sorry caps
[22:27] <gofio> "multiple operating systems" it says
[22:28] <tomreyn> gofio: well, yes, but that's not the ssame as explicitly naming one.
[22:28] <tomreyn> such as on the screen i posted
[22:28] <gofio> and after I went thru this same process with a pendrive with ubuntu 14.04 I could not boot with windows anymore tomreyn, so I guess something really bad I did then
[22:28] <HelpMe849> i did systemctl hibernate and it just reboots fresh
[22:29] <gofio> yeap i guess it does not name it cuz it's corrupted af
[22:29] <HelpMe849> like actually restarts doesnt shut off
[22:29] <HelpMe849> frik i gave myself  a 20 gb swap for no reason
[22:29] <HelpMe849> gonna be a pain to give space to /home
[22:29] <gofio> My intention was to install it inthat 70g partition tomreyn
[22:30] <gofio> I'm currently running on a 40g partition so
[22:31] <gofio> I cannot erase this hard disk in full
[22:31] <tomreyn> gofio: this is what it looks like when xubuntu 18.04.2 amd64 (booted in BIOS mode) detects an existing windows installation:  https://i.imgur.com/p59AgVp.png
[22:32] <gofio> yeap, that's what it did when I tried to install the 14.04 before I messed up big time
[22:32] <tomreyn> gofio: so you're saying the ubuntu installation target contains a corrupted windows installation. why don't you fix that before you try to install ubuntu?
[22:32] <gofio> I think I left it without finishing cuz I wasn't sure, and afraid, and messed it up anyways
[22:33] <gofio> well, that's why I am here tomreyn :-D to learn those things
[22:33] <gofio> that's why been asking since start about the boot repair windows thingy ;-)
[22:33] <gofio> but dunno in which order to do it
[22:35] <gofio> Thought about installing first cuz of the layouts, it's a pain from the usb to be changing everything every time (dunno how to save the layouts from the usb yet)
[22:35] <gofio> specially the wifi pass
[22:35] <FreeBDSM> MrElendig: is there a gui for borg/restic?
[22:35] <tomreyn> gofio: you have a usb which contains a bootable xubuntu 18.04.2 amd64 live and installer system. and you started the installer, to create a persistent ubuntu installation. you other option is to start the live system, install software as needed and to try to repair your windows installation that way. there are also windows live systems to do so, but this is what they'd told you in ##windows (had you asked there).
[22:36] <gofio> if I could fix the windows booting first "easy" that'd be my best choice if I could, ofc
[22:36] <MrElendig> FreeBDSM: depending on your defenition of gui, yes
[22:36] <catbeard> boot with a cd/dvd and do a repair install
[22:36] <gofio> so what would u do tomreyn :?
[22:36] <catbeard> windows cd/dvd rather
[22:36] <tomreyn> gofio: so do what we told you some hours ago, join ##windows, ask how to fix your windows.
[22:37] <gofio> don't have the cd catbeard :-(
[22:37] <catbeard> there's a free iso for windows 10
[22:37] <catbeard> :)
[22:37] <gofio> I'll go there tomreyn but hope they don't tell me I'm trying to fix windows FROM ubuntu...
[22:38] <tomreyn> they will, if that's the only option you'll state you have.
[22:38] <gofio> it's windows 7 64 bit catbeard, if u know of any nice link let me know please, I have tried a few already without success
[22:38] <catbeard> yikes
[22:38] <gofio> given most windows solutions are given for windows users
[22:39] <catbeard> hold on i might
[22:39] <gofio> thanks catbeard
[22:39] <gofio> though to me worst is left behind, at least now I can use the computer
[22:40] <gofio> will try to install boot repair (since with ubuntu 17.10 had lot of problems with that program)
[22:41] <tomreyn> so you made bad experiences with it and thus decide to use it again?
[22:41] <gofio> also now I can access windows recovery partitions cuz already have seen them. Something Icould not do a few hours ago
[22:41] <gofio> I had the bad experiences with the 17.10, and read it was not only me, but now I have   18.04 tomreyn. Not the same, isn't it
[22:43] <gofio> j/ ##windows
[22:43] <tomreyn> boot.repair isn't part of ubuntu, and i never used it.
[22:43] <gofio> oops
[22:43] <gofio> lol
[22:44] <gofio> 00:43 -!- gofio entró a ##windows :-D
[22:44] <MannyLNJ> Hello. I am trying to use a Ubuntu Live USB top copy files from a Windows 10 system. I have a bash shell running as root. I issued the following command cp -r ./Windows_Drive/Users/markf/* ./Flash_Drive/markf/ and it is failing on most files with a  Input/output error how can I copy these files off?
[22:44] <gofio> k tomreyn :) let see if there's anybody in ##windows
[22:45] <leftyfb> MannyLNJ: sounds like your flash drive has failed
[22:46] <OerHeks> the live usb is read only
[22:46] <tomreyn> you should not copy those files to the live usb you're running from
[22:46] <leftyfb> OerHeks: you wouldn't get I/O errors if it were read only
[22:46] <tomreyn> but to a different storage
[22:46] <MannyLNJ> OerHeks:  I know that so I attached a second USB drive which has space
[22:47] <tomreyn> so that one is apparently broken
[22:47] <tomreyn> do you have non flash non optical storage you could write to?
[22:48] <leftyfb> MannyLNJ: type: dmesg # that will give you additional info about the possibly bad drive
[22:48] <tomreyn> also the errors could also be about reading, not writing
[22:48] <leftyfb> ^
[22:48] <MannyLNJ> tomreyn:  I do not. I just have mutiple flash drives
[22:49] <tomreyn> yes, we need more context, dmesg is good
[22:49] <gofio> well they're giving me a troubleshooting link so I'll leave the xubuntu install for later and go live for the troubleshooting from the same machine tomreyn
[22:50] <tomreyn> MannyLNJ: dmesg -t | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:50] <leftyfb> MannyLNJ: open a terminal and type: ( lsblk ; mount ; dmesg -T ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:50] <MannyLNJ> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/zvs8
[22:50] <tomreyn> gofio: fine with me, good luck.
[22:51] <gofio> "00:47 <CptLuxx> but we do not support any kind of dual boot issues" tomreyn ;-) told ya... xD
[22:51] <MannyLNJ> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/zg27
[22:51] <devslash> what port do I need to open on ubuntu for samba to work
[22:51] <leftyfb> MannyLNJ: you didn't properly unmount the original drive you had connected
[22:52] <leftyfb> devslash: did you setup a firewall at all?
[22:52] <devslash> I did grep -i NETBIOS /etc/services and returned ports 137, 138 and 139
[22:52] <devslash> yes of course
[22:52] <tomreyn> gofio: you dont have a dual boot issue, you have a windows boot issue.
[22:52] <devslash> im using ufw
[22:52] <gofio> yeap, that's also true tomreyn
[22:52] <OerHeks> gofio, there is no manual to fix your windows 7, than using the windows iso. after that, you can reinstall grub again, but for now your issue is beyond the scope of this channel.
[22:53] <MannyLNJ> leftyfb: I unmounted it though gparted by chosing unmount. If I didn't unmount it how would I have been able to mount it to /home/ubuntu/Desktop/Windows_Drive
[22:54] <Ricardo[m]> Hey all! Just installed 19.04 (server) and I'm having some issues with SSL cert roots. Trying to wget download.docker.com/gpg (and some more) I'm getting issues about verifying the cert. Tried to download some more cert packages and triggering update-ca-certificates but I'm still not getting it... Ideas?
[22:54] <leftyfb> Ricardo[m]: do you plan on upgrading the OS on this server every 9 months?
[22:55] <gofio> how can I save layout changes in xubuntu 18.04 runing from a pendrive OerHeks :? is there a link or something where it explains :? hope that's within the scope :-)
[22:55] <leftyfb> Ricardo[m]: also, use the docker available in 19.04. Do not install from their website.
[22:55] <shibboleth> layout changes?
[22:55] <devslash> i set up samba but i cant access it from windows
[22:56] <devslash> can anyone help me out
[22:56] <OerHeks> gofio, the live pendrive does not save anything, read only
[22:56] <gofio> well, however it's said. Let say I plac the clock in the middle of the screen, above, for example
[22:56] <leftyfb> devslash: you should look into setting up CIFS.
[22:56] <gofio> plac-place
[22:57] <gofio> that's what I was afraid of OerHeks , thanks
[22:57] <Ricardo[m]> leftyfb: not much of a fan of the upgrading part but that's besides the question. This is happening while trying to download stuff from github as well so I'm guessing there's some major misconfiguration on the cert store
[22:57] <OerHeks> Ricardo[m], what docker guide do you follow?
[22:57] <Ricardo[m]> I'm most likely going to revert just by seeing this but thought it might make sense to ask here before I do
[22:57] <Ricardo[m]> OerHeks:
[22:57] <gofio> so if I install now smuxi using that pendrive it'll be gone by next time I log in into xubuntu as well :'
[22:58] <gofio> :?
[22:58] <Ricardo[m]> OerHeks: I'm running the kubespray ansible scripts
[22:58] <MikeRL> What do you guys think about this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1825756
[22:58] <leftyfb> Ricardo[m]: there's nothing wrong with Ubuntu. Also, download.docker.com/gpg is not a valid URL
[22:58] <MikeRL> I'm surprised nobody has reported anything similar yet...
[22:58] <MikeRL> I tried searching for existing bugs and found nada.
[22:58] <devslash> leftyfb, isnt that used for accessing a windows share from linux ?
[22:58] <leftyfb> MikeRL: The latest versions of stick ubuntu do not run compiz
[22:59] <leftyfb> devslash: it is the latest supported protocol for Windows fileshares
[22:59] <MikeRL> Wait, then what package handles window snapping?
[22:59] <leftyfb> MikeRL: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[22:59] <Ricardo[m]> leftyfb: sorry, it was https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/gpg
[22:59] <MikeRL> I honetly was confused on that one. Disco.
[23:00] <leftyfb> Ricardo[m]: it downloads fine for me
[23:00] <Ricardo[m]> leftyfb: On 19.04 server?
[23:01] <FreeBDSM> what's better? restic or borgbackup?
[23:01] <leftyfb> Ricardo[m]: Ubuntu 19.04 server within an container, yes
[23:01] <leftyfb> !ot | FreeBDSM
[23:01] <Ricardo[m]> FreeBDSM: have no experience with borgbackup but restic is pretty good
[23:02] <Ricardo[m]> leftyfb: good idea, I'll have a look at what's the difference I have with the container versoin
[23:03] <leftyfb> Ricardo[m]: I highly recommend using 18.04 LTS for your server and rely on supported apt or snap packages for your services. Not pulling down applications from github or vendor websites. Otherwise, you miss out on support here. 19.04 will be unsupported 9 months from now.
[23:04] <MikeRL> 19.04 is good if you like bleeding edge. But I would not use that on a server.
[23:04] <dyc3> Hi, so I upgraded to 18.04 and my DNS stopped working
[23:04] <OerHeks> is ansible updated for 19.04?
[23:05] <Ricardo[m]> I just wanna evaluate if going with 5.0 will make any difference with a lot of kernel panics I usually have while running k8s loads, tbh I'm also not a fan of running something that will be unsupported that soon
[23:05] <devslash> leftyfb, i tried cifs but it doesnt work
[23:07] <tomreyn> devslash: now assume you're lefty and you got this "error description". how will you work with that?
[23:07] <devslash> I created a shared folder on Windows ran the command sudo mount -t cifs //MYSERVERIP/SHAREDNAME -o MYUSERNAME,vers=3.0,noperm LOCALMOUNTFOLDER
[23:08] <tomreyn> okay, much better
[23:08] <devslash> what do you mean ? thats more than enough to know whats wrong
[23:08] <devslash> yup
[23:08] <devslash> i get the error file not found
[23:08] <devslash> mount error: no such file or directory
[23:09] <gofio> nagh tomreyn, the windows channel option does not work
[23:09] <gofio> this is best I could get out of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-D
[23:10] <gofio> thing is problem started while trying to install ubuntu. But anyways
[23:10] <dyc3> Hi, so I upgraded to 18.04 and my DNS stopped working. Networking, otherwise, still works. I've tried reconnecting, rebooting, setting additional DNS servers in the NetworkManager GUI, and running dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf. Any ideas?
[23:11] <gofio> think I'm gonna go try install xubuntu into the partition I have and se what happens tomreyn cuz at this point I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere
[23:12] <tomreyn> dyc3: does   systemd-resolve --status  look as it should?
[23:12] <MikeRL> So, does GNOME handle window management? gnome-shell to be exact?
[23:12] <MikeRL> Just need to describe my bug properly, and I'll be done.
[23:12] <gofio> I can't either run windows in the computer I'm typing in right now and have no issues with that. as long as I can keep using a computer. Anyways. Whatever
[23:12] <tomreyn> gofio: there's no need to report on your progress here. when you have an ubuntu support question, you can ask.
[23:13] <MikeRL> And I'm referring to Ubuntu 19.04 in this case.
[23:13] <Ricardo[m]> Thanks for the help leftyfb, I'll go back to 18.04
[23:13] <dyc3> tomreyn: what should it look like?
[23:13] <gofio> I do have, but given it's a dual boot question is neither ubuntu nor windows
[23:13] <gofio> I'm trying to install ubuntu and my question is about this process
[23:14] <tomreyn> dyc3: oh wait you said you're using network-manager right?
[23:14] <tomreyn> dyc3: nmcli then
[23:14] <FreeBDSM> why does ubuntu's parted suck so much compared to, say, centos'es one?
[23:14] <FreeBDSM> it asks for start
[23:14] <FreeBDSM> and enter doesn't make it use some default value
[23:15] <gofio> trial and error. AS usual, no biggy. We aint gonna survive anyways lol
[23:15] <EriC^> !persistance | gofio
[23:15] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: that's not a support question.
[23:15] <EriC^> !persistant | gofio
[23:15] <dyc3> tomreyn: nmcli shows my campus' 2 DNS servers, so that appears to be working correctly
[23:15] <tomreyn> dyc3: can you ping them?
[23:16] <gofio> it's been almost a 24 hour straight of persistence EriC^ yeap :-D thanks! :-)
[23:16] <gofio> thanks ubottu :-)
[23:16] <dyc3> tomreyn: i can ping both
[23:16] <EriC^> gofio: no i was queuing the bot to give you info on persistant live usbs
[23:16] <unrecited> You guys have never failed me as far as my (sometime off topic) questions derived from pure curiousity and learning..
[23:17] <tomreyn> dyc3: do you have the 'dig' or 'host' commands available?
[23:17] <gofio> ooh, hahaha thanks EriC^  :-D
[23:17] <unrecited> now I'm having a real issue - and before I reformat and lose all the 3 months worth of stuff (I do have backups - nevertheless)
[23:17] <dyc3> tomreyn: yes, both
[23:17] <EriC^> np :D
[23:17] <unrecited> I had a usb drive plugged in, and ubuntu froze...I dont know why I had a 'bad feeling' about it and proceeded but I just held the laptop power button and did a hard shut down
[23:18] <unrecited> I indeed was in the middle of a transfer from system TO usb drive just backing up some stuff
[23:18] <tomreyn> dyc3: pick a HOSTNAME you cannot resolve properly in an application and    dig HOSTNAME @127.0.0.1 +short
[23:18] <unrecited> now that I just typed that I JUST remembered right before I also did search my entire system and deleted 'node_modules' along with any reference of it (directory) because I was trying to cut time transfering
[23:19] <tomreyn> dyc3: pick a HOSTNAME you cannot resolve properly in an application and    dig HOSTNAME @127.0.0.53 +short
[23:19] <unrecited> to shorten it up here (sorry) Im now in command line only recovery mode.. I get ONLY the greeting spins and spins
[23:19] <dyc3> tomreyn: ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[23:19] <tomreyn> dyc3: ^ sorry, had the wrong ip addres
[23:19] <dyc3> tomreyn: oh whoops
[23:19] <gofio> to install or not to install...that is the question...
[23:19] <unrecited> the system will no longer boot - I was thinking try the USB drive boot option? Boot from USB? but will that give me local access to what I already have just so I can back up?
[23:19] <dyc3> tomreyn: no output, exit code 0
[23:19] <unrecited> I hate to lose my place I finally had everything customized perfect lmao
[23:20] <tomreyn> dyc3: now    dig HOSTNAME @UNIRESOLVER1 +short
[23:20] <tomreyn> dyc3: ...where UNIRESOLVER1 is the first of the two resolvers of your university
[23:20] <unrecited> not that that cant be redone... this would be my first technical battle with linux and I guess without them learning can not proceed - but its killing me what the hell I could have done? deleting node_modules surely can not result in a system ... loss? essentially.. ?
[23:21] <dyc3> tomreyn: successful resolution, exit code 0
[23:21] <leftyfb> devslash: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-access-files-network-devices-using-smbv1-windows-10   try this
[23:22] <tomreyn> dyc3: systemctl status systemd-resolved.service 2>&1 | nc termbinc.om 9999
[23:22] <tomreyn> dyc3: omit the pipe etc. if you dont want to share it
[23:25] <dyc3> tomreyn: can you resolve termbinc.om for me? dig didn't give me anything
[23:25] <tomreyn> dyc3: termbin.com is 5.39.93.71
[23:25] <tomreyn> sorry
[23:26] <dyc3> tomreyn: all good https://termbin.com/qp56
[23:27] <tomreyn> dyc3: now, instead of querying its "status", "restart" it
[23:27] <dyc3> tomreyn: ok, done
[23:28] <dfkqn> after some update, my clock broke
[23:28] <dfkqn> now the system thinks the hw clock are in utc
[23:28] <dfkqn> how to fix that?
[23:29] <tomreyn> dyc3: so can you resolve hostnames now?
[23:29] <dyc3> tomreyn: nope, still can't
[23:29] <OerHeks> dfkqn, sounds like you have dualboot with windows 10, that can give a conflict.
[23:29] <dyc3> tomreyn: its sooo strange
[23:30] <tomreyn> dyc3: hmm, i'm a bit puzzled here. maybe review (or share) your system log (systemctl -b)
[23:30] <dfkqn_> it worked before
[23:30] <gofio> what's the equivalent key shortcut for paste as of ctrl+v while on the terminal :? if any
[23:31] <tomreyn> dyc3: oh you can also    systemd-resolve --flush-caches
[23:31] <dyc3> tomreyn: systemctl doesnt have -b for me
[23:32] <dyc3> tomreyn: flush caches exited successfully, didn't fix it
[23:32] <OerHeks> journalctl -b  i guess
[23:32] <tomreyn> dyc3: journalctl -b, sorry
[23:32] <tomreyn> i always mix those up
[23:32] <tomreyn> thanks OerHeks
[23:33] <boblamont> is anyone familiar with the normalize program (normalize-audio)? it seems to do it's thing, it scans the files, then says it applies the adjustments, but the volume doesn't change and though the modification time changes, the file size stays identical which suggests it isn't changing them
[23:33] <dyc3> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/a1lc
[23:33] <dfkqn_> so how can I fix my time
[23:33] <OerHeks> dfkqn_, is this dualboot?
[23:33] <dfkqn_> no
[23:34] <tomreyn> dfkqn_: why not just set your hwclock to utc then?
[23:34] <dfkqn_> because that is very stupid
[23:35] <tomreyn> enlighten us
[23:35] <dfkqn_> no
[23:35] <tomreyn> next
[23:36] <tomreyn> dyc3: i'm looking still, give me a minute
[23:36] <dyc3> tomreyn: np
[23:37] <tomreyn> dyc3: could this be related to your docker installation?
[23:37] <panorain> Anyone know if 'cryptodan_mobile' is around ?
[23:38] <dyc3> tomreyn: I don't think so, I haven't really done anything with docker, but I installed it because I was meaning to learn how to use it
[23:40] <krytarik> panorain: Trying to tab-complete the nick would indicate that to you.
[23:41] <tomreyn> dyc3: your log is really full of errors, and not just about dns
[23:41] <tomreyn> dyc3: and, doh, i missed that, you run a kernel from 2017
[23:42] <dyc3> tomreyn: jesus really?
[23:42] <tomreyn> dyc3: which ubuntu version is this?
[23:42] <tomreyn> nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
 dyc3: termbin.com is 5.39.93.71
[23:43] <tatertots> 18.04
[23:43] <dyc3> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/odlk
[23:43] <tomreyn> dyc3: see for yourself
[23:44] <tomreyn> ubuntu 18.04 never had this kernel
[23:44] <dyc3> tomreyn: its recently upgraded
[23:44] <tomreyn> not this kernel
[23:44] <dyc3> tomreyn: i mean the ubuntu release
[23:44] <tomreyn> ls -l /boot
[23:45] <dyc3> tomreyn: i have a lot of packages that need to be updated
[23:45] <tomreyn> maybe you have current kernels but dont boot them
[23:46] <dyc3> tomreyn: i don't think thats the case: https://termbin.com/zice
[23:46] <tomreyn> true
[23:46] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[23:47] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 bionic
[23:47] <tomreyn> those would be yourr choices
[23:47] <Apachez> uptime ?
[23:47] <tomreyn> not much, hours
[23:47] <Apachez> I meant dyc3
[23:47] <OerHeks> -142 failed to upgrade
[23:47] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1818723
[23:48] <dyc3> tomreyn: should I set the ubuntu repo domains in my /etc/hosts and update my packages?
[23:48] <OerHeks> what vm vendor is this?
[23:48] <dyc3> Apachez: uptime is 2 hours
[23:49] <tomreyn> dyc3: hmm yes maybe that's the best way forward. if not a reinstall
[23:49] <dyc3> tomreyn: ok, ill give that a shot
[23:50] <tomreyn> OerHeks: this is a gazelle 11 from system76, not a vm
[23:51] <gofio> so any installs (like LILO) i'M DOING NOW FROM THE XUBUNTU USB oh f caps, they wont stay when I come back isn't it OerHeks ?
[23:52] <dfkqn_> after some update, my system thinks my hw clock are in utc - how to fix that?
[23:52] <tomreyn> dyc3: you could also         rm /etc/resolv.conf       and create a new file there with     nameserver 155.246.149.79
[23:52] <Hackerpcs> I upgrade my server instance since 16.04 to each version till the newest 19.04 with do-release-upgrade, is there any need for a clean install ever?
[23:53] <Krennic> hmm
[23:53] <OerHeks> gofio, install lilo where?
[23:53] <dyc3> tomreyn: ive tried that before and it didn't work for some reason
[23:53] <OerHeks> ubuntu uses grub2 by deafaut.
[23:54] <tomreyn> dyc3: it'S a symbolic link by default, you may have missed this initially
[23:54] <tomreyn> dyc3: if you rm it and create afile there instead, things should behave differently.
[23:54] <tomreyn> dyc3: but ... that's with a current and patched system ;)
[23:54] <gofio> I'm running some commands in the terminal OerHeks supposedly installing some programs. I wonder when I reboot from the pendrive if they'll be there again when I reboot
[23:55] <dyc3> tomreyn: ahh ok. well ive already made the changes in my hosts file
[23:55] <OerHeks> gofio, i already answered that.
[23:55] <gofio> so the answer is no
[23:55] <tomreyn> dyc3: if your storage is fast, hopefully upgrading wont take long on the campus
[23:56] <dyc3> tomreyn: yeah, SSD and sweet, sweet fast campus internet
[23:56] <tomreyn> dyc3: also check your file systems didnt run full, this could cause a situation like this:   df -h
[23:57] <tomreyn> although i guess i would have noticed reviewing the log
[23:57] <dyc3> tomreyn: I have 5.8 G left, should probably be fine
[23:58] <tomreyn> ok
[23:59] <tomreyn> Hackerpcs: not strictly, though there can always be some leftovers after release upgrades
[23:59] <tomreyn> and it can be a good idea to install fresh occasionally. for a productive server i'd do it every time.
[23:59] <tomreyn> it's fast if it's automated