=== _tripleNull is now known as tripleNull [00:02] tomreyn, found an entry quiet splash in kernel log and also in /etc/default/grub searched all logs [00:02] Any idea on 19.04 chrome/flash blocked? === Taco is now known as \\\\\t [00:13] Oh for... Ledani, it looked like it would work... but now the system is reporting the wrong version of java is installed. [00:14] I did run the alternatives script and it says it found the version of java installed... but another package says, "Sorry, can't find oracle java". Grrrr. [00:26] where would I find libsdl1.2.so.0 or whatever on my 18.04 install? [00:27] or if anyone knows how to get dwarf fortress with tilesets working, that would be awesome. I'm losing my mind over this === ray is now known as Guest67289 === r is now known as Guest46438 [00:55] How to install xorg and fluxbox ? I used to use 'sudo apt install xorg fluxbox' after base system was installed(18.04). But now i use 19.04. That command will install gnome. [01:07] Any idea on 19.04 chrome/flash blocked? === murthy is now known as murthy_ [01:10] Any idea on ubuntu 19.04 desktop shortcuts? [01:26] Argh. Found my problem. The last update and upgrade cycle installed openjdk-11 ... but seems to have missed updating /etc/profile.d/jdk.sh and /etc/profile.d/jdk.csh . [01:27] lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999 <---- this command open my 9999 port to termbin.com? [01:27] So while Openjdk-11 is installed, environment variables are referring to a place that doesn't exist. [01:27] help me [01:27] [01:35] helo === murthy_ is now known as murthy [01:39] hi, if i want to install evolution on my ubuntu, do I just do an apt-get install evolution, after I check for the latest updates? [01:39] Pharaoh: did you figure it out?... [01:40] @tatertots - not yet... It works for firefox (npapi) and not for chrome (ppapi) [01:40] Pharaoh: close chrome [01:41] hi, the official requirements for ubuntu 18.04/19.04 are for 2Ghz or better and 2GB of ram or better [01:41] @tatertots.. done [01:41] by the way ubuntu never installed on my dell laptop no matter what [01:41] Pharaoh: in terminal> google-chrome --disable-extensions [01:41] ahem, I was able to install fedora without any issues though :-) [01:41] is that because of the desktop? can I use xfce4 and make do with less? i want to install on an older PC with just 1GB of ram [01:41] Pharaoh: test the same sites you were testing prior [01:42] Pharaoh: report results, not opinion of result just result [01:42] @tatertots.. that didn't help much [01:44] Pharaoh: what does this say about your configuration? https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html [01:44] johnjay Hey [01:44] hi [01:44] Yes it's desktop specific [01:44] @tatertots - same as earlier. I enable flash, it brings up the page asking to right click to enable flash. when i try to "run f;lash this time" nothing happens [01:44] Though I wouldn't recommend anything Ubuntu on 2 GB [01:44] Go for Debian [01:44] i thought about downloading ubuntu server and just installing lxde or xfce4 too. since my bandwidth is alost limited [01:45] are there considerations besides the desktop environment? [01:45] johnjay Don't use server for that [01:45] Use mini.iso [01:45] Pharaoh: it says it's installed but disabled correct? yes or screen shot to imgur.com [01:45] @tatertots Your Flash Version [01:45] Flash Player disabled [01:46] "pre installed" is the verbatim terminology used on https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html [01:46] if you are not seeing that then i'm going to pass you to someone else [01:47] stevendale: i don't see mini anywhere on the download page? [01:47] johnjay https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [01:47] Because it's not [01:47] thx [01:47] but to my earlier question [01:48] is there some other concern than the DE that makes it better to use a different distro in your mind? [01:48] the kernel mem size? [01:48] johnjay Generally the Linux kernel is different depending on the distribution [01:49] They compile different modules [01:49] @tatertots - exactly as you said. So, Yes! [01:51] i55554444juiuiivbcvbng [01:52] sorry [01:52] johnjay, polling other distro is offtopic, there is a flavor wiki page [01:52] !flavor [01:52] Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours [01:53] OerHeks: i'm just asking for clarification. does ubuntu have any advantages or disadvantages for an old pc with less ram [01:53] johnjay, no, but i like to see a benchmark :-) [01:54] in ubuntu I need the firefox sync config info what file(s) would I scp to a new ubuntu install? [02:00] johnjay you still here? [02:05] Alright so uhh [02:05] updating to 19.04 via update-manager [02:06] the window "Do you want to start the upgrade" is taller than my monitor [02:06] so i cant press the ok button, and its not a resizable window either [02:07] ah, managed via rmb and move [02:07] best problems fixes themselves [02:07] 19.04 is a non lts release right? [02:08] yes [02:09] i want to stay on the lts, so hopefully the updater won't update me [02:10] it won't [02:10] you can tell it to look for non-lts, but it doesn't by default [02:11] leave upgrades settings LTS > LTS [02:22] Evening, all. I'm having an issue changing the MySQL data directory. We had to add additional storage to our server, and that additional storage is mounted under /mnt. I've migrated all of the data to the new drive, and updated the MySQL config, but when I attempt to start MySQL - I get a permissions error. I first tried having permissions set to 700 with mysql:mysql as the owner, but that didn't work. I have since tried going as far as making the entir [02:22] e /mnt directory 777, but I'm still getting a permissions error? [02:24] We're running Ubuntu 18.04 and MySQL 5.7.25 [02:33] timdotrb: i'm not an expert on such an advanced operation, but try here: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/multiple-data-directories.html [02:34] it sounds like it may require modifications to the service file. [02:47] ryuo, thanks, but no dice :( still getting permissions errors [02:56] <{xmb}> hello kind pro ubuntu folks, please in which package do i find /etc/rc.local running [02:59] {xmb}: Can you be nore specific: " ls -al /etc/rc.local >> ls: cannot access '/etc/rc.local': No such file or directory" . [03:00] <{xmb}> yeah i only know debian and also not which package, but one contains it and makes it work [03:01] <{xmb}> i dunno if i make a new /etc/rc.local and reboot if that works without that package, but i currently cant try [03:01] <{xmb}> /etc/rc.local is old way of running like #!/bin/bash at startup [03:01] <{xmb}> bootup* [03:01] hi [03:01] <{xmb}> hii [03:02] <{xmb}> !apt-file /etc/rc.local [03:02] what about it ? [03:02] <{xmb}> i need to know in which package i can find it [03:02] oh [03:03] dpkg -L can do that for installed ones iirc [03:03] I think a few programs have a rc local, looks familur, not sure quite though [03:03] <{xmb}> its not about installed, in total, sec, gotta check if ubuntu got apt-file [03:04] oh right ok [03:06] <{xmb}> ok theres apt-file ill search on it [03:08] <{xmb}> only fai-doc has it, from apt-cache show its something like this, but i thought it'd say sysvutils or something [03:08] <{xmb}> it has ../examples/rc.local/ [03:08] <{xmb}> not sure, u dunno also, ah well thanks you kindly folks [03:13] when using rsync how do I type names of source folders when the name of a source folder contain spaces and & symbols? [03:14] <{xmb}> u quote em in ' or " or use \ \ [03:14] <{xmb}> a\ file\ is [03:14] <{xmb}> you can, put em in a bash array, arr=( *files* ); then access via "${arr[@]}" [03:15] <{xmb}> id use tab completition [03:15] <{xmb}> rsync

[03:22] xMopx, I think you misunderstood me I'm was talking about folder names not file names [03:22] <{xmb}> thats all the same [03:23] i heard u loud and clear analogical [03:23] fite me irl [03:23] the source is a remote server via ssh [03:23] <{xmb}> on the shell, eg bash, a space can be escaped by \, or inside 'a file' quotes or "a file" quotes, and tab completition works best instead of typing out long senseless names [03:25] I can't use tab completion cuz I'm not connected until I run the command [03:25] <{xmb}> ok im sorry, so if they dont contain ' quote em in ' [03:25] <{xmb}> if they contain ' you can $'a filename \'with quotes inside\'' [03:25] <{xmb}> "quotes are also supported" [03:26] in english please [03:26] <{xmb}> tell me an example filename [03:28] <{xmb}> scp user@host:'a file with spaces' . [03:29] The Big House [random] Is Full of People & Furniture [03:29] <{xmb}> 'The Big House [random] Is Full of People & Furniture' [03:29] <{xmb}> "The Big House [random] Is Full of People & Furniture" [03:29] I already tried that but it didn't work [03:29] <{xmb}> The\ Big\ House\ \[random\]\ Is\ Full\ of\ People\ \&\ Furniture [03:30] <{xmb}> your rsync cmdline may be faulty [03:30] <{xmb}> if u dont care for pub paste it for debug [03:30] <{xmb}> scp -r user@host:'The Big House [random] Is Full of People & Furniture' /tmp/ [03:30] <{xmb}> if, you type this raw in rsync or scp, it will assume /home// [03:31] <{xmb}> so it may be in somewhere else u need to type that path too [03:32] drive 1 has os on it, can i add another os to drive 2 and have it put grub onto drive 1 and then erase drive 2 after? [03:33] <{xmb}> erase drive 2 after ? [03:33] <{xmb}> can u rephrase with other words [03:34] i just want to fix grub on drive 1. havent been able to do it. [03:34] <{xmb}> whats wrong with it, what os has it [03:35] let me start over. [03:35] <{xmb}> yes plz === westor{off} is now known as westor [03:38] <{xmb}> tell whats wrong with grub ob d1 [03:39] drive 1 has os 1, i installed another drive, drive 2 with os 2. i never used drive 1/os 1 anymore so i wiped it. now there wasnt really grub for drive 2/os 2. i used live cd for boot-repair which only got me to where i had a grub shell and now gui. so i had to manually get to desktop. somehow after trying tons of different things ive got it to wher [03:39] e there is no grub at all but i just boot directly to system. though the screen flashes a custom background i set with grub customizer before hitting the os loading screen. [03:40] <{xmb}> try this [03:40] was asking if i could install an os onto drive 1 since its wiped and have it put grub onto drive 2 w/o jacking up that os and then i can wipe drive 1 again. [03:40] <{xmb}> u can go to livecd, then mount --bind /sys and /dev and others to root of drive2/os2 [03:40] <{xmb}> then chroot into it, and run grub-install to install everywhere [03:41] <{xmb}> can you boot it without disconnecting from irc ? [03:42] i have cloud irc so i can access through my phone [03:43] <{xmb}> okay well i can help u succeed there [03:43] <{xmb}> can u also copypaste === cactus00000_ is now known as flac === flac is now known as aes_dana [03:45] <{xmb}> so in short its 1) boot livecd 2) mount os2 root to an unused folder, like mkdir /t; mount /dev/sdb1 /t; then a couple of mount --bind; then chroot /t; then (all as root) grub-install command [03:45] Due to recent legal battles, Freenode is facing new challenges in its quest for continuing to be the number one platform for open source software development collaboration. The is where you the developer come into play. We have a goal of raising 10,000 USD by the 1st of May in order to meet our annual hosting obligations and operating costs. A modest donation via Bitcoin will go a long way. A donation [03:45] <{xmb}> alike grub-install --efi-directory=/efi /dev/sd{ab} [03:45] of at least 5 mBTC automatically enters you into a raffle to win a 5 star safari dinner with Mark Shuttleworth in South Africa's Kruger National Park, including air fare and 5 days and 4 nights lodging. [03:45] bitcoin:39ZkLrzCsoiRa3GPcTUHyWFFuwfuvPJW48?amount=0.01000000&label=Keep%20Freenode%20Online&message=Help%20us%20pay%20for%20our%20hosting%20and%20to%20keep%20serving%20the%20open%20source%20community%21 [03:45] probably not from phone to pc terminal [03:45] <{xmb}> ok well i can still guide u some [03:50] i should prolly use the same live cd as version im on eh? [03:50] <{xmb}> how u meaen, ure booted with livecd on the computer already ? [03:50] i have the live cd but its 19 and im on 18.04 [03:51] does that matter? [03:51] i thought i read somewhere that you should use a grub of the same version [03:51] <{xmb}> not much [03:51] <{xmb}> so u're booted with livecd and irc'ing here ? [03:51] gday im tying to ressolve this issue can anyone help ressolve this See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. [03:51] <{xmb}> i can copypaste u the commands u need [03:51] no im still on drive 2 os [03:52] <{xmb}> so u can boot, to drive2 at least [03:52] <{xmb}> you can as root simply run grub-install and it installs it [03:52] <{xmb}> you just need some params [03:53] ya i could boot to the os by grub commands and now ive got it so it boots right into the os but there is no grub gui. [03:53] !details | crankenstien [03:53] crankenstien: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel. [03:53] <{xmb}> ok well... do u have a update-grub command [03:54] ya that didnt work [03:54] <{xmb}> but it recognized drive2 ? [03:54] <{xmb}> do you have an efi directory ? /efi mostly [03:54] im on the drive/os, the only os i currently have. which doesnt have grub boot gui for some reason. [03:55] <{xmb}> it probably doesnt read its configs | tries somewhere else [03:55] <{xmb}> are your hds /dev/sd[ab] [03:56] ubuntu 19.04 will not up date ubuntu disco-security InRelease im a noob to linux [03:56] <{xmb}> crankenstien apt-get update [03:56] <{xmb}> and see if u have that entry in /etc/apt/sources.list [03:57] {xmb}: https://hasteb.in/susiwepo.coffeescript [03:57] i have tried this list sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* [03:57] sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* [03:57] sudo apt-get update [03:58] and this 1 sudo apt-get update --allow-unauthenticated [03:58] and still wont allow [03:58] crankenstien: are you getting an error of some kind? [03:58] yes See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. [03:59] Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. [03:59] <{xmb}> kinghat try this command as root; grub-install --efi-directory=/boot/efi /dev/sda /dev/sdb [03:59] <{xmb}> what is the line looking like crankenstien [03:59] crankenstien: can you paste the full output of the command in to something like https://hasteb.in ? [04:00] the /dev/sda is the drive 1 that was wiped, there isnt anything there. [04:00] E: The repository 'https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu disco Release' does not have a Release file. [04:00] N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. [04:00] N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. [04:00] <{xmb}> crankenstien see wine docs for the right entry [04:00] <{xmb}> kinghat it doesnt matter, grub-install is safe [04:00] k [04:01] <{xmb}> and if it doesnt still boot kinghat we have to do this chroot and mount --bind thing [04:01] <{xmb}> if u just run it via livecd, the update-grub, it doesnt .. do much.., uneed to be chrooted into your system at least [04:01] crankenstien: you're missing a trailing slash on that line, iirc [04:02] also, did you do the steps for adding the key to your apt keychain? [04:02] {xmb}: https://hasteb.in/usivukim.sql [04:02] <{xmb}> ah and crankenstien the 'Release' is a meta file, there is no tree 'Release' in most apt's [04:03] <{xmb}> ok run it twice, once for sda once for sdb [04:03] <{xmb}> and if that doesnt work again with chroot and and.. :) [04:04] Hi all [04:04] ok rebooting [04:04] <{xmb}> *hopes* for you [04:04] <{xmb}> hi [04:06] {xmb}, the solution was to use '".........."' [04:07] <{xmb}> aha, beware of stuff that contains quotes inside, it might break [04:07] would you look at that! https://irc.kinghat.info/uploads/4cc03fc42eb49fa6/15558196009223620207068986582851.jpg [04:07] <{xmb}> is that better looking than before? [04:07] it's the grub gui so yes [04:08] <{xmb}> neon is your sdb ? [04:08] lol [04:08] ya [04:08] <{xmb}> cool it has .efi entries =p [04:08] <{xmb}> ok cheers for you [04:08] but how do I get it so I can wipe drive one and still get the grub gui [04:09] <{xmb}> im not sure, as it reads grub.cfg [04:09] <{xmb}> i suggest you 1. boot into neon and then update-grub as root to update grub.cfg boot entry [04:09] <{xmb}> if you wipe the second os too, maybe it will be that screen, maybe not [04:10] <{xmb}> you can copy grub directory to efi directory, and if it doesnt work load this menu via cmdline [04:10] <{xmb}> but iif u wipe os2 u have no os anymore [04:11] {xmb}: ok here are what my entries look like: https://hasteb.in/avamofoc.yaml [04:12] <{xmb}> i dunno this efi tool [04:13] <{xmb}> you can do this: [04:13] i think it was just: grub-install --efi-directory=/boot/efi this part that made it work. not installing it to the bare drive 1 [04:13] <{xmb}> cd /boot/efi [04:13] <{xmb}> find -name '*grub*' [04:13] <{xmb}> yeah first comes efi then comes mbr [04:14] funny that 2 of the entries worked and 1 didnt. i think it was the ubuntu one that didnt. 1* [04:14] <{xmb}> you can probably boot into compatibility mode in bios then the mbrs would boot, maybe.. [04:15] there isnt even anything on the drive one so not sure it didnt anything anyways. [04:16] <{xmb}> anyone know of a change of ubuntu vs debian that makes debian have no matter what a file_open limit but ubuntu doesnt ? [04:16] <{xmb}> see entry in /boot/efi [04:16] <{xmb}> they are old entries still on partition efi [04:16] there are no files on drive 1 [04:16] <{xmb}> /boot/efi dude [04:16] <{xmb}> no matter what [04:17] <{xmb}> you can place windows.efi and it will display that entry ( booti32.efi ) [04:19] i have /boot/efi on drive 2, which im currently on. when we also installed grub to /dev/sda as well it doesnt look like it did anything. [04:20] https://hasteb.in/ebubalih.gradle [04:20] <{xmb}> its a safety install [04:20] anyone running mate desktop? [04:20] i dont know what that means [04:20] sup all?..I was just trying to install a game via wine but then I noticed that the wine-mono and wine-gecko packages don't exist...is that something that someone is working on?..or will they ever been in the repos again? [04:21] <{xmb}> i think wine can download dem, not sure, always worked without dem [04:21] <{xmb}> check in winesettings or whatever that was called [04:22] !wine | Randune Better asked in -> [04:22] Randune Better asked in ->: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu [04:22] <{xmb}> go ask in #winehq indeed [04:29] just installed ubuntu 18.0.4.2 and my battery is dying really fast. are there some good recommendation like powertop and other things to help control the battery? [04:30] <{xmb}> make display less bright, check in settings disable bluetooth and nfs and such, ps aux in console and see useless big apps to stop|kill [04:30] jcb2016: and batteris usaully work well with Linux, but can be exceptions to that [04:31] <{xmb}> there may be a laptop-tools package or similiar named for lowering power usage [04:31] thats awesome this works now, {xmb}. thanks, i spent like 5+ hours today trying to figure it out. [04:31] earlier i mean [04:31] <{xmb}> cheers, peace [04:32] i think it was this flag: --efi-directory=/boot/efi that did it [04:32] odd that all those efi boot entries work. [04:33] <{xmb}> they are bootloader alike entries, no guiarantee they boot an empty partition [04:36] not sure what you mean but all of these get the grub gui: https://hasteb.in/avamofoc.yaml [04:40] <{xmb}> ok well good for you, im not so familiar with such, peace :) [04:41] thanks again! [04:41] <{xmb}> easy [04:44] <{xmb}> ubuntu folks, what is the general apt repo without like 'bionic' that updates [04:44] what do you mean ? [04:45] <{xmb}> bionic is 18 right ? [04:45] !bionic [04:45] Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver) is the 28th release of Ubuntu and the current LTS release. Download at https://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes [04:45] <{xmb}> i mean one that doesnt specify version, just all newest software [04:45] thats not how it works [04:45] or not quite [04:45] each version gets its own repos [04:45] <{xmb}> well i got this example by debian [04:46] <{xmb}> instead of specifying names like 'potatoe' or 'stretch' i specify stable/testing/unstable and experimental [04:46] and not just Ubuntu, that will be other distros with repos too, each version has it's own repos [04:46] Debian is a little differnet [04:46] <{xmb}> hm k [04:46] <{xmb}> ill read up tomorrow on ubuntu sources to update [04:46] since it doesn't have versions like Ubuntu does and most other distros as well [04:46] instead it has like channels or whatever they are acutsally called [04:46] stable is yep stable [04:46] <{xmb}> tree's [04:46] testing becomes stable eventually [04:46] <{xmb}> distribution tree's [04:47] unstable is basically experimental new stuff [04:47] <{xmb}> stretch would be version 9 or 10 currently [04:47] <{xmb}> i run all 4 tree's since 2002 [04:47] <{xmb}> im new to ubuntu, only got remote access [04:47] for newer software in Ubunty you could use ppa's or snaps but you probably don't need newer software most of the time [04:47] <{xmb}> i need, i cannot live without dem [04:48] and the normal repos only tend to get security or bug fixes once a version is out be that the Long Term Support release or a stable version [04:48] what's dem ? [04:48] <{xmb}> 'them' [04:48] what ! [04:48] no [04:48] Hi [04:48] <{xmb}> new versions [04:48] <{xmb}> hi [04:48] no you don't need new versions most of the time [04:48] that's what I am saying [04:48] hi IamBorg [04:48] <{xmb}> i say the reverse [04:48] unless you got specfiic reason [04:48] programs such as ? [04:48] !latest | {xmb} [04:48] {xmb}: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa. [04:48] <{xmb}> i am pro coder, new kernel, new libc, bash 5.+, gawk 5+ [04:49] indeed to Bashing-om and the bot factoid [04:49] <{xmb}> this is normal propaganda... like... [04:49] Does znc require different setup to connect in irc clients (know this is not the right channel, but I guess some of you use znc) [04:49] maybe for some of that depending on what you are coding etc, but even then, I think a slihgtly older version of those programs would be ok most of the time [04:49] <{xmb}> debians experimental is experimental __do_not_use__ this is bullshit fully not true [04:49] <{xmb}> well i halfway agree seb [04:50] debian experimental is like running alpha software basically [04:50] <{xmb}> however i cannot live with overoutdated versions like 4.15 kernel or something [04:50] <{xmb}> well it still has some old ware on it [04:50] <{xmb}> the debian experimental [04:50] <{xmb}> however i like daily get updates [04:50] you can update some things yourself in Ubuntu via ppa's or more recently snaps maybe even but yeah [04:50] <{xmb}> i run it all since 2002, on private and on servers, all good [04:50] !ppa [04:50] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge [04:50] !snap [04:50] Snaps are containerised software packages similar to flatpaks or appimage. For more info, see https://snapcraft.io [04:50] <{xmb}> i dunno snap i like only os-mainline updates [04:51] 19.04 is running kernel 5.0.0 [04:51] <{xmb}> they are configured together, snap would be 'another tree' [04:51] pretty exciting [04:51] <{xmb}> yeah vgg [04:51] <{xmb}> Linux freely 5.1.0-rc3-next-20190405-9 #1 SMP Sun Apr 7 11:22:26 CEST 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux [04:51] actsually yeah that's a good point NorthwestVegan [04:51] 19.04 is on a pretty recent kernel [04:51] Hi everyone. I haven't dont networking for a while, but I need to make my pc a router for another computer behind a switch. Any good tutorials ? [04:51] bionic is the 18.04 long term support [04:51] yes that's on older stuff that's long term support [04:52] <{xmb}> tauna, search for 'iptables nat examples' on google [04:52] I know how to do it in debian, but this network manager is killing me, without network manager, I don't know how to setup wifi... [04:52] xmb if you want newer stuff don't run the LTS [04:52] <{xmb}> will do so thanks [04:52] that's what standard releases are for such as 19.04 [04:52] <{xmb}> [they are preinstalled by others] ill update them easily later when i read up on all the tree's [04:52] but those only get supported nine months [04:52] <{xmb}> i never can do take any support they offer [04:52] <{xmb}> im pro bash and gawk coder, they aint better or reply with code or something [04:52] <{xmb}> so only newest versions == best support [04:53] which verison are you on xmb ? [04:53] of ubuntu [04:53] <{xmb}> 18 [04:53] <{xmb}> 'bionic' [04:53] yes thats' what I thought that's the long term support [04:53] <{xmb}> kk [04:53] that's about a year old now [04:53] so yep the packages are old [04:53] <{xmb}> yeah with few updates sometimes i guess [04:54] <{xmb}> ill dist-upgrade to 19+ easily when i read up [04:54] upgrade to 19.04 and you get Linux kernel 5.0 and so on [04:54] !upgrade [04:54] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [04:54] you can get newer kernels on LTS [04:54] but non long tem support releases only get supported about 9 months [04:54] <{xmb}> i no want lts [04:54] Ben64: he wnats more than just a new kernel see above [04:54] just saying [04:54] <{xmb}> easy [04:54] rmadison is a great tool to see package version across package suites [04:54] <{xmb}> so about the upgrade urls, im too tired its 7 am here worked all day and night [04:55] yeah wehre you from xmb? [04:55] <{xmb}> i am from bulgaria, but living in swiss [04:55] yeah an hoour behind you [04:55] I am getting a bit tired or something too, but still want to pop into an ear by shop before I sleep :D [04:55] that opens again soon, or should do [04:55] <{xmb}> nice one [04:55] i lived in .ch for a semester of undergrad :) [04:55] <{xmb}> i idont like .ch [04:56] <{xmb}> they are ugly enemies there [04:56] <{xmb}> :) [04:56] ? [04:56] all day and night how long you been awake :D [04:56] <{xmb}> non open friendly enemish cold ppl [04:56] <{xmb}> since 1 pm last day [04:56] yeahsomething similar here heh heh [04:56] why's it still baby speaking [04:56] <{xmb}> ? [05:00] Hello. I want to do a fresh installation of Ubuntu 19.04 on my laptop running Ubuntu 16.04. Right now I have a separate partition for /home which has around 700 GB of data. If during the installation, I choose manual mode of partitioning and assign old-/home partition as the new-/home without formatting, my 700 GB of data would be safe, is that correct? Unfortunately, I don't have any other storage to back the huge data. [05:00] quite a strange problem - re-installed Chrome but flash does not work still [05:00] <{xmb}> i suggest you apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade to it [05:00] sazawal: yes should be able to keep the home there with the data [05:01] <{xmb}> include the right lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and its ready to go [05:01] sazawal: what you put sounds good, but you got to maek sure you don't put format on the installer or in gparted, when assinging it as /home [05:01] otherwise bye bye data [05:01] <{xmb}> yeah there is usually a 'format or not' option [05:02] <{xmb}> u will have leftover binaries and stuff [05:02] <{xmb}> ..suggest dist-upgrade.. [05:02] why does dist-upgrade seems so slow over major releases? [05:02] *seem [05:02] sebsebseb, Thanks. As far as I remember there is only one place to choose format or not-format. I suppose I won't make a mistake there [05:02] <{xmb}> cause much more packages to touch [05:02] then a fresh install? [05:03] sazawal: yes when you assign it as /home the format or not option should show as well, in the installer , the manual partioner in the installer [05:03] and down on the side maybe as well [05:05] <{xmb}> so put preexisting in partition configs and also not change the partition table may be useful, which is safe tho [05:05] sebsebseb, Yes right. In addition, I was thinking to put all the data in /home in a folder in the same partition and then do this. Because I want the new config and setting files in /home/user/ folder. [05:06] <{xmb}> you can move it to that then [05:06] sazawal: you could use the same username and password as before, for data, plus old config files [05:07] sazawal: you could also access what was the previous home user under the new account [05:07] if making a new [05:07] <{xmb}> u 1) copy everything to an own partition then 2) install with formatting over the old and 3) leave the third partition u copied to untouched in configs [05:09] shopno later yes or whatever, feeling tired now, about to leave here as well [05:09] <{xmb}> me too, good night soon [05:09] heh its morning really now buty eah [05:10] sazawal: yes seperate /home is rather useful :) or can be [05:10] can easily go between distros like that as well :D [05:12] sebsebseb, Well, yes I can make the new Ubuntu take over my old /home but then there would be leftover config files. I think I have enough trash in my /home folder which I do not want. I have experience from the earlier versions of Ubuntu that upgrading the version many times screws up things than doing a fresh installation. [05:13] sebsebseb, Yes infact this is the first time I found it useful to have /home in a different partition. [05:14] <{xmb}> if u messed too much up in there u'd want no more separate /home partition anymore [05:18] <{xmb}> i mean useful if i'd have my old scripts around, but it'd point me wrong [05:21] How can I set up routing so that everything from my ethernenet interface is routed to my wifi (with vpn ) [05:21] so is it me or is dd not a viable way to write an ubuntu.iso to a usb drive? [05:21] they always seem to fail [05:21] <{xmb}> chet, cat >/dev/usb1 [05:21] <{xmb}> where usb1 is the device actually [05:22] <{xmb}> like sde1 or sde [05:22] <{xmb}> dd is very... picky about usage parameters [05:22] didnt know I could append a iso image to thumb drtive [05:22] <{xmb}> no need dd for such, cat afile >destination works well [05:22] <{xmb}> its not append [05:22] oh [05:23] <{xmb}> it will overwrite, either partition i like sde1 or sde for since-beginning [05:23] <{xmb}> partition 1* [05:23] crazy [05:23] <{xmb}> or the whole partition mapping [05:23] <{xmb}> i copy iso's like this [05:23] <{xmb}> but oh well [05:23] <{xmb}> you may need unetbootin, it will copy the files and have a bootloader [05:23] <{xmb}> i dont remember when such is needed and when not [05:24] <{xmb}> last time i unetbootin't win10 iso and debian [05:24] <{xmb}> but this tablet has custom boot disabled [05:24] I am thinking I used dd lots in the past, has something changed on the livecd? [05:25] <{xmb}> no, if u dont understand its options from ( man dd ) dont use it [05:25] <{xmb}> i dont even know exactly all options theere [05:25] <{xmb}> dd if=infile of=outfile bs=1 count=what error [05:25] unetbootin isnt in the reops anymore [05:26] <{xmb}> i suggest you to try two things, first cat over sde1, then over sde, then unetbootin [05:26] repos* [05:26] <{xmb}> well i got it from their site [05:26] <{xmb}> if 1) and 2) failed, u gotta mkfs.vfat /dev/sde and try then unetbootin [05:26] <{xmb}> ( and mount before unetbootin ) [05:27] I just used a windows machine with etcher or rufus or something [05:27] <{xmb}> thats also fine [05:27] but I havent had to do something like that in a long time and it was quite frustrating [05:28] <{xmb}> u need updates like newest versions, to have more colorful fun [05:28] <{xmb}> like newest windows insider fast build [05:28] <{xmb}> there is even this option in the main windows 10 settings u can set it [05:28] <{xmb}> and have newest ware installing faster [05:31] what is the default disc maker called? [05:32] ilike .iso writer [05:39] i believe it is "startup disk creator" [05:42] Chrome/Flash on Ubuntu 19.04 anyone? === DeadpanDelivery is now known as Deadpan_ [05:42] Pharaoh: pepperflash is in the repos [05:43] ChetManly: startuo disk creator is installed by default on ubuntu [05:43] lotuspsychje__: pepperflash is bundled with Chrome [05:44] Pharaoh: i think its now seperated [05:44] lotuspsychje__: Now, the adobe test page detects the version installed and does not complain that it is disabled. However, the plugin does not work. [05:44] !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree [05:44] Package pepperflashplugin-nonfree does not exist in bionic [05:45] lotuspsychje__: I looked at the /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin created by chrome fresh install [05:45] ok, let me try === lotuspsychje__ is now known as lotuspsychje [05:51] I came across this link - http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/04/install-flash-player-plugin-ubuntu-19-04 - mentions that flash comes bundled with Ubuntu, needs to be installed for other browsers.. It was already working with firefox, chrome/chromium are the problem [05:51] Pharaoh: pepperflash used to be bundled with chrome [05:51] think its optional now [05:52] I installed it anyways.. still the same [05:53] Pharaoh: what site is it you are trying to make work? [05:53] Pharaoh: cause some websites ask for an old flash method [05:53] lotuspsychje Adobe test page would be a good example [05:54] https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html - if you browse down to #5 [05:55] Pharaoh: works on FF for me, lemme try chromium now [05:55] lotuspsychje: Yes, ff is alright [05:55] Pharaoh: doesnt work on chromium indeed [05:56] think the site needs the adobe flash [05:56] The PPAPI bundle from adobe has the pepperflash so file [05:57] opera snap also doesnt work [05:57] Pharaoh: maybe try this? browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash [05:58] browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash is already the newest version [05:58] ok out of ideas then [05:59] lotuspsychje: np. Thank you for your time! [06:00] anyone running mate-desktop for ubuntu. followed a guide but everything is messed up need to do a fresh install of mate [06:01] <{xmb}> 'whats wrong with wmaker' [06:02] I am the router. I have switch and another pc. I can ping myself (192.168.113.1), computer can ping me (192.168.113.1), but I cannot ping computer (192.168.113.13). Help ? [06:03] <{xmb}> u ping 2x self and one not ? [06:03] jcb2016: Is it just the setting or did you mess with the packages too? [06:04] <{xmb}> i have no comp to test on routing, i fear entering such commands and remote servers stop being on the internet [06:04] <{xmb}> you can see ifconfig dev netmask 255.255.255.0 [06:05] <{xmb}> and route add default gw 192.168.113.1 [06:05] <{xmb}> [dev ] [06:05] Ping from router -> pc doesn't work (Destination host unreachable). Router -> router works. PC -> Router works. PC -> PC doesn't work. [06:07] krytarik, will you be here tomorrow? i gotta go to bed. thanks though [06:07] ..Heh. [06:18] there is a #networking chat room ...just FYI [06:24] holle [06:24] Holle, hugh. [06:39] <{xmb}> # a=( printf -- '%s\n' 'a test' ); eval "${a[@]}" [06:39] <{xmb}> er wrong chan [06:51] ada chanel indonesia [06:51] <{xmb}> #bash btw the solution was: [06:51] <{xmb}> # t=( printf -- '%s\n' 'a test 3' $'with \'quotes\'' ); q() { for i in "${t[@]}"; do printf -- \'%s\'\ "${i//\'/\'\\\'\'}"; done; }; eval $( q ) | tail -1 [07:08] hey just running ubuntu on a lenov yoga, just inserted apple superdrive [07:09] Apple SuperDrive (2.00) yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r [07:10] how to run desktop app from terminal? [07:10] yet file explorer is not showing it [07:10] <{xmb}> startx evg [07:10] any suggestions [07:10] I can't , I use ssh [07:10] where can I locate a driver for it [07:10] <{xmb}> install tightvncserver [07:10] <{xmb}> and run it just 'tightvncserver' [07:10] <{xmb}> and have :1 via vnc [07:11] <{xmb}> otherwise, if its a local machine startx straight to see on monitor [07:11] <{xmb}> if remote use tightvncserver [07:11] is it secure? [07:11] <{xmb}> so-la-la [07:11] <{xmb}> x11vnc is worse i think [07:15] Mystified, try to see it is showing in 'disks' [07:19] Mystified, what kind of hardware is superdrive [07:21] evg: be careful with vnc, its a security risk. try to use other methods for remote work [07:21] <{xmb}> u have suggestions which ? [07:21] !who | {xmb} [07:21] {xmb}: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :) [07:22] <{xmb}> it needs to be remote-buffered like screen is, otherwise if i run a X server on windows then ssh forward X windows appear but on machine reboot the windows are gone, while the server didnt reboot [07:22] <{xmb}> maybe some original x.org + some display capture + mouse control [07:23] {xmb}: use the tab please [07:23] <{xmb}> no, sorry [07:23] <{xmb}> your nick doesnt complete either easily [07:23] <{xmb}> i want no [07:23] {xmb} thats why the tab does it for you... [07:23] <{xmb}> [lotuspsychje ] [lotuspsychje_ ] [ ] [ ] [07:23] <{xmb}> very senseful === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotus|NUC [07:26] <{xmb}> other clients, other crap, :) [07:26] {xmb}: keep the offtopic for #ubuntu-offtopic please, only ubuntu questions here [07:26] <{xmb}> which x server | remote x server IS an OS question === Smedles_ is now known as Smedles [07:46] I used teamviewer but now it hasn't working , I guess after kernel update [07:53] aww that sucks [07:53] !language | tatertots [07:53] tatertots: Please avoid any language that may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such - also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines || The main channels are English only, for other languages, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [08:01] hello, quick question: When i attempt to boot with kernel 5 (4.18 works fine), it seems like its gonna boot okay, near the end (right before the login screen), all the output (i have no splash/quiet enabled) is gone and all i get is an blinking cursor for minutes. How can i check what went wrong? [08:01] (using ubuntu 19.04) [08:09] boot to multi-user.target and with plymouth etc disabled [08:10] padarc, maybe use `systemd-analyze blame` - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSystemd [08:10] could also try to ssh in [08:10] if that doesn't work, boot the install image and check the logs [08:10] or try the resque.target and check the logs === littlebit1 is now known as littlebit [08:24] hi I find the current LTS, 18.4 very slugish, almost feel like a virtualbox, is there any fix, is 19.04 any better in that regard? Using manjaro-gnome now [08:25] how do I add a script to Files (nautilus?) ? [08:29] daifuco, it's my belief 19.04 (with it's later gnome) is faster; all posts I've read say so (but I don't use gnome myself so wouldn't know). [08:31] daifuco: what hardware? [08:31] and yes, 19.04 is quite a bit faster [08:32] (and doesn't have an ancient nautilus etc) [08:32] it is a standard desktop computer 2 years old i5, 16GB ram nvidia 1060 4k screen [08:33] it flies on manjaro, but with 18.04 it feels really slow [08:37] daifuco, try 19.04, it really speeds up things [08:37] ok thanks [08:38] just a question, once the distro gets obsolete, in november, is there any easy way to upgrade? [08:38] I'm using a AMD X2 (10 years old) and it feels like I just bought a new computer [08:38] I have tried linux in the past but I ahvent used for long time, just to try things [08:39] now my gf has taken my macbook pro xD so I guess ill stick with linux for a while xD [08:39] daifuco, yes, you can upgrade using the terminal or the actualizations app [08:39] MrElendig, okay, just let it blink there again for 2-3min, /var/log/boot.log does not show anything weird (as far as i notice), "systemd-analyze blame" shows nothing either (highest is snapd.service with 26seconds) ... gonna inform myself now for that multi-user.target thing and howto disable plymouth .. wish me luck [08:40] thanks LuckyMan [08:41] daifuco, you can upgrade from terminal just writing do-release-upgrade [08:43] daifuco, this depends on new release beeing available (disco is not available yet but you can do a do-release-upgrade -d) === dukestyx is now known as laice === michagogo_ is now known as michagogo [09:16] LuckyMan: wanna share specs in #ubuntu-discuss for your amd? [09:27] lotuspsychje, ok [09:29] lotuspsychje, I don't have an identified nick, so I can't join the channel... I will share it here [09:29] LuckyMan: in query then plz [09:30] lotuspsychje, what do you mean? [09:31] LuckyMan: private message [09:31] ok [09:44] hi [09:45] hi === Richard is now known as Guest37166 [10:22] i just upgraded to ubuntu 19.04 and can't boot. booting kernel 5.0 doesn't even seem to try to import the zfs pool, but 4.18 imports the pool and then complains that it can't find a dataset within that pool (my root is the main dataset of that pool) === laice is now known as dukestyx [10:22] <{xmb}> im sorry to only use ext4 without any pools or so :) [10:24] i don't understand why it's trying to use a dataset inside the pool when the linux command line says `root=ZFS=zfsroot` [10:37] I compiled a kernel for ubuntu [10:37] I used the deb-pkg command to build the deb packages [10:38] but.....it did not build modules [10:38] firelegend: we dont support own kernel compile [10:38] Seriously? [10:38] firelegend: use !mainline instead [10:38] firelegend: try ##kernel [10:38] mainline does not offer the features I need [10:39] firelegend: if you want to help the ubuntu community you can use !bugs are help the developers [10:39] It's not like that [10:39] more like the kernel was compiled with an option I dont like [10:39] It's strict devmem, limits what you can read from /dev/mem to 1 meg [10:40] firelegend: bugs have wishlists, if you like or dislike a feature, you can influence the community [10:40] No I cannot, as this is generally a security feature, and will likely stay there forever. [10:40] But what can be done is a kernel boot param to disable it. [10:41] Until then I have no choice but to compile it myself [10:41] firelegend: ok sounds that ##kernel will be your best bet then mate [10:42] Will try then. [10:42] firelegend: some modules would be built with the source code of linux-modules-extra [10:43] Mainline kernel comes with several deb packages [10:43]