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[10:08] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
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[18:08]  * mamarley upgraded to Eoan. xD
[20:35] <valorie> mamarley: i imagine that upgrade isn't very big yet
[20:38] <valorie> I guess this cycle we should seriously consider whether or not to change from ubiquity to cala
[20:38] <valorie> tsimonq2, wxl -- how well is calamares working for you?
[20:39] <valorie> would you advise us to make the change?
[20:39] <wxl> pretty darn fantastic over all
[20:39] <valorie> how many issues did you have getting it working?
[20:39] <valorie> does it do OEM well now?
[20:40] <wxl> one thing we're lacking is a good minimal install option or oem install.. and there's probably some really bizarre partition schemes it doesn't yet support (zfs)
[20:40] <valorie> in my install testing, 100% of the bugs I filed were against ubiquity
[20:40] <wxl> i think we'll tackle the minimal/oem bits relatively early this cycle
[20:40] <wxl> most importantly i would say that it's really easy to understand calamares
[20:40] <valorie> so if you were us, would you advise making the switch?
[20:40] <wxl> i didn't have to pick through the code and try to figure it out.. it just made sense
[20:40] <wxl> i jumped right in and was tweaking things to our needs without having to beg people for help
[20:41] <wxl> upstream is easy to get a hold of and rather attentive
[20:41] <valorie> ade is a completely cool guy
[20:41] <wxl> there are some characters upstream (aren't there always?) but the head of the project is a gem
[20:41] <wxl> ^^ that's ade
[20:41] <valorie> yep
[20:41] <wxl> he's super duper helpful
[20:41] <valorie> he is
[20:41] <wxl> they're extremely reponsive, i find, to bugs
[20:42] <wxl> and that's my biggest gripe about ubiquity: it was near impossible to get help unless it affected the whole entire world and even then it wasn't necessarily easy. that and the code is a freaking nightmare
[20:42] <valorie> I hear the neon team talk about OEM and that that was high on the cala job list
[20:42] <wxl> it is. and i think tsimonq2 has some ideas to resolve that himself
[20:43] <valorie> he's probably in school now
[20:43] <wxl> i think he's got telegram nanodrones in his bloodstream thta are bridged to irc
[20:46] <valorie> nevertheless paying attention in class is something I recommend
[20:46] <valorie> lol
[20:46] <valorie> oh, laundry
[20:46] <valorie> bbiab
[20:54] <wxl> valorie: how's the wayland session?
[20:59] <valorie> hmmm, I've not tried it
[20:59] <valorie> and I could, on the travel lappy
[20:59] <valorie> will do so at LFNW!
[22:50] <valorie> I got a good question in #kubuntu -- why is the default in Konversation to use a different browser than KDE-set browser?
[22:50] <valorie> and do we set that
[22:50] <wxl> not knowing the answer, i bet you it keeps its own default
[22:50] <wxl> like thunderbird does
[22:50] <wxl> you can set default browsers every which way known to man, and thunderbird can still make up its own mind
[22:51] <wxl> is this a new setting?
[22:51] <wxl> s/setting/behavior?
[22:52] <valorie> I don't think so
[22:52] <mamarley> valorie: Indeed, not huge.
[22:52] <valorie> but that doesn't mean we didn't change it in our packaging long time ago
[22:54] <wxl> ugh i don't know how i managed to do this but the kubuntu iso i have is.... a lubuntu one. gimme a sec to zsync and i'll look
[22:54] <valorie> lol
[22:55] <valorie> good file naming!
[22:55] <wxl> hey, they're both "cute" :)
[22:55] <wxl> well to be fair whta i have in there is a daily and all the dailies are named the same
[22:57] <valorie> ah
[22:59] <wxl> in other news, chrom* sucks
[22:59] <wxl> it can't make itself default browser if you're in an environment where the $BROWSER variable is set
[22:59]  * wxl rolls his eyes so far in the back of his head they end up on the other side of the globe
[23:05] <valorie> that's a nice look for ya
[23:05] <valorie> <3
[23:14] <wxl> valorie: at least in dingo under configure » behavior » general behavior there's a "use custom web browser" option though at least in live it defaults to unchecked
[23:15] <valorie> I upgraded and haven't use FF for over a year I think
[23:16] <wxl> if you check it, it defaults to using firefox
[23:16] <valorie> right, but that's the default Kubuntu browser and the only one on the ISO
[23:17] <valorie> however, it seems setting another browser to be the default doesn't change Konversation's setting
[23:17] <wxl> hm let me play
[23:18] <valorie> which seems counterintuitive
[23:32] <wxl> hm
[23:32] <wxl> can't make falkon default within it eh?
[23:35] <valorie> we discussed doing so but the concensus seemed to be "not yet"
[23:35] <valorie> we can talk about that again
[23:35] <valorie> and naturally this is the time to do it
[23:36] <valorie> falkon will have (hopefully) a or some GSoC students so it is an active project
[23:36] <valorie> getting plugins is important
[23:37] <wxl> hm don't even see anything in bugzilla about it
[23:37] <wxl> https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&f0=OP&f1=OP&f2=product&f3=component&f4=alias&f5=short_desc&f7=content&f8=CP&f9=CP&j1=OR&o2=substring&o3=substring&o4=substring&o5=substring&o6=substring&o7=matches&product=Falkon&query_format=advanced&short_desc=default&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&v2=default&v3=default&v4=default&v5=de
[23:37] <wxl> fault&v6=default&v7=%22default%22
[23:38] <wxl> sheesh
[23:39] <wxl> well i don't want to use chrom* cuz its weird
[23:39] <wxl> i'll grab opera
[23:39] <wxl> afaik those are the only ones that have in-browser ways to change the default
[23:39] <wxl> not even midori
[23:42] <wxl> ok well can't confirm
[23:43] <wxl> i installed opera, set it as default, opened konversation, typed out a link, clicked on it, it opened in opera
[23:43] <wxl> xdg settings are all appropriately pointing at opera
[23:43] <wxl> BROWSER isn't set
[23:47] <valorie> interesting
[23:48] <wxl> i'm trying to force falkon as default browser and it's getting me mad :)
[23:57] <wxl> it seems that you HAvE to use "default applications" (and not just `xdg-settings set default-web-browser`) to get things to work. it appears to change ~/{.kde/share/.config,.config}/kdeglobals as well as ~/.config/mimeapps.list, which is to be expected
[23:58] <wxl> having changed that, clicking on a link in konversation opens it in falkon
[23:58] <valorie> in systemsettings, I don't even see a way to set a default browser
[23:58] <valorie> I know that FF is always trying to make me choose it
[23:58] <wxl> i just searched for "default applications"
[23:59] <valorie> and does chrome in a less nasty way
[23:59] <valorie> chromium doesn't bug me
[23:59]  * wxl turns up his nose
[23:59] <valorie> I think I set falkon as default in falkon itself
[23:59] <wxl> i couldn't find a way