[14:49] <faustyfoss> Hi. Question: If I install first mini.iso and then install lubuntu desktop, will that mean lower RAM usage? Thank you.
[14:57] <serghei> OOO EEE
[14:57] <diogenes_> faustyfoss, i don't think so.
[15:02] <faustyfoss> In the docs: "Lubuntu Trusty alternate 32-bit: 176 MB". Does that apply only to the Trusty edition? I'm not sure which edition has the lowest RAM requirement.
[15:03] <teward> faustyfoss: that applies only for the alternate ISO
[15:03] <teward> and POSSIBLY the Trusty 32bit install
[15:03] <teward> but that sounds like *Bare minimum* requirements
[17:18] <slipttees> Hi all
[17:18] <slipttees> i try old computer lubuntu 18.04.2 fresh install... video 640x480 only... i try sisimedia and sis671
[17:19] <slipttees> get this problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rbZNFVwt8h/
[17:42] <y9pqb> My friend has Lubuntu 18.04 on his very underpowered computer. I'm wondering if I should upgrade to 19.04 for him. The main program he is going to use is Krita, which is Qt, so I figured LXQt might be better for him, but I'm afraid LXQt is going to be slower than LXDE.
[17:43] <y9pqb> What do you guys think? How has your experience been with the LXDE -> LXQt migration?
[17:45] <wxl> fantastic, y9pqb. also, lxde is in a bad state given it's not gtk3 compliant. this is going to be problematic in the near future. there's already some issues with gtk2 apps, notably pcmanfm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984
[17:46] <wxl> development of lxde has crawled to a halt, whereas lxqt is being committed to constantly and is always adding new features and fixes
[17:46] <wxl> lxde is NOT a long term solution, at all
[17:49] <y9pqb> I weighting upgrading to LXQt now vs waiting for 20.04
[17:49]  * wxl shrugs
[17:49] <wxl> i'd just get it out of the way
[17:49] <wxl> i see no benefit to lxde
[17:50] <y9pqb> I see
[17:50] <y9pqb> I'm concerned because I have a program that became much slower after porting to Qt5
[17:51] <y9pqb> I understand LXDE is a dead-end though
[17:52] <wxl> yes, but it will be slower STILL in gtk3
[17:52] <wxl> this is the reason pcman is no longer contributing to pcmanfm and is only working on pcmanfm-qt
[17:55] <wxl> if you want to see how sad it is with lxde, look at the last few YEARS of commits on lxsession.. translations, typos fixes, some other little fixes.. over YEARS https://github.com/lxde/lxsession/commits/master
[17:57] <y9pqb> ok, thanks. I'll offer to upgrade it for him
[17:57] <wxl> and for that matter, we have not found lxqt to have a higher footprint overall. we've been meaning to do a blog post for a while but haven't done it
[17:57] <wxl> a word of warning: the lxde to lxqt transition is not seamless. read the manual if youw ant to upgrade, or better yet, do a fresh install
[17:58] <y9pqb> cool, I'm interested in that post whenever you get around to it
[17:58] <y9pqb> what do you mean not seamless?
[17:59] <slipttees> help fix this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rbZNFVwt8h/
[17:59] <wxl> y9pqb: https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html
[18:00] <wxl> uh oh wait that's not it
[18:00] <wxl> slipttees: what's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[18:01] <slipttees> wxl: in paste
[18:02] <wxl> y9pqb: read from this line to the end https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/manual/browse/18.10/source/D/upgrading.rst$76
[18:02] <wxl> slipttees: sorry mean /var/log/syslog
[18:02] <slipttees> wxl: sorry bro kk
[18:04] <wxl> slipttees: i will say one line catches my eye though it's not an error.. [    28.495] (WW) sis671: module ABI major version (23) doesn't match the server's version (24).. did you get this driver from somewhere strange?
[18:04] <slipttees> have oficial driver?
[18:04] <slipttees> i don't known
[18:06] <y9pqb> wxl: Thanks. He has enough disk space, so I think I'll install 19.04 on a separate partition and tell him to migrate to it at his own pace. I'm glad I didn't just blindly upgrade when I had the chance.
[18:06] <slipttees> wxl: i try sis617 and sisimedia same problem
[18:07] <slipttees> sis671*
[18:20] <wxl> slipttees: so how about that log?
[20:00] <francesco> ciao
[23:03] <jcb2016> looking for a light distro that isn't resource hungry and it needs to be able to work with bcm43142 wireless drivers i was refered to lubuntu. any ideas about the drivers?
[23:08] <wxl> !b43 | jcb2016
[23:09] <jcb2016> wxl, my card works in ubuntu im on it right now. do i install it in lubuntu the same way i would install it in ubuntu?
[23:09] <wxl> jcb2016: it's the same packages, yes
[23:11] <jcb2016> wxl, i just need a fast distro that i can load. play videos/stream and not be choppy. ubuntu/xfe/gnome is very choppy i can't play videos i want in browswers
[23:13] <wxl> jcb2016: if you're low powered, the modern web and modern video might be problematic no matter what, but lubuntu will be your best bet
[23:16] <jcb2016> wxl, its a very low qualirty laptop i found in the closet a while back its an AMD E1-6015 with radeon R2 Graphics uses bcm43142 drivers has a resolution of 1366x768 i think it has like 4 gigs ram im trying to make it work
[23:16] <wxl> jcb2016: like i said, lubuntu will be your best bet
[23:17] <jcb2016> ok thanks
[23:48] <jcb2016> i just ran apt install bcmwl-kernelsource like i did in ubuntu i also ran modprobe wl as sudo and i can't get wifi working worked in ubuntu. any ideas?
[23:49] <wxl> it's the same system essentially, so not particularly
[23:50] <wxl> so i would double check your work against the manual (of course things might have changed since you last did it)
 jcb2016 remember that there is no hw video acceleration in browser in Linux in the standard browsers