[00:00] <tomreyn> and it should be automated
[00:00] <Hackerpcs> On a VPS with a small 5GB I have ~1.3GB free after the upgrade and installing some things I need like ffmpeg and its dependencies, I don't think leftovers take up space
[00:00] <Hackerpcs> it's like that after 4 or 5 upgrades
[00:01] <tomreyn> usually you just have some old configuration files or empty directories
[00:01] <OerHeks> monitor your logs growing huge :-)
[00:01] <Hackerpcs> I've noticed dist.upgrade files on sshd config files
[00:02] <Hackerpcs> didn't mess with my config so no harm done
[00:02] <tomreyn> or old log files which are no longer written to
[00:02] <Hackerpcs> the total disk space is 5GB so if anything takes too much and goes below the normal 1-1.3GB free I would have noticed
[00:03] <tomreyn> so it looks like you're a happy person
[00:03] <tomreyn> you could run    ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported   and see what the system state is
[00:04] <tomreyn> also github.com/tomreyn/scripts -> foreign_packages to see if you have higher version packages from a PPA still installed which you didn't downgrade to ubuntu versions.
[00:04] <tomreyn> but that's not very likely in this situation
[00:05] <Hackerpcs> aria2, fail2ban, checkinstall list as unsupported?
[00:07] <Hackerpcs> takling about 18.10 not 19.04
[00:07] <tomreyn> cdommunity support, not official security team support, which is just main and restricted
[00:11] <Hackerpcs> oh I see
[00:25] <atheodo> hi, if I want to install a second desktop e.g., cinnamon
[00:25] <atheodo> will i be able to switch between desktops during login
[00:26] <atheodo> or i have to pick up a default load by editing a config file?
[00:27] <tomreyn> atheodo: you should be able to switch at login
[00:27] <tomreyn> be sure to install the meta packages for those desktops. ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop etc.
[00:28] <atheodo> will apt-install take care of the meta packages
[00:28] <atheodo> is it apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[00:29] <atheodo> or there are additional lines I need to write ?
[00:30] <tomreyn> atheodo: it should be just   sudo apt update && sudo apt install cinnamon-desktop-environment
[00:30] <atheodo> ok
[00:30] <tomreyn> but then i'm guessing a little, i don't even know which ubuntu version you have there
[00:30] <atheodo> won't touch my production machine, cannot afford that :-), i will play with a test machine I have first
[00:32] <tomreyn> you have test and prodcution environments for your desktop? not bad.
[00:33] <atheodo> yes, i build my prod machine and just has ubuntu lts
[00:33] <atheodo> but have a second machine i can play with
[00:45] <jcotton> is it advisable to reboot after systemd updates?
[00:45] <gofio> just could run boot-repair and got a log of it, could I paste it here?
[00:48] <Bashing-om> gofio: Post the resulted URL - and a brief of the issue for the channel.
[00:49] <gofio> I'm sending myself an email with the link Bashing-om so I can keep it given I'm runing on a only-read mode or however it's said, that is from a pendrive still without installing xubuntu 18.04. Thanks! will post the link in a moment
[00:53] <gofio> here it is Bashing-om http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fz9j9h4DYY/
[00:53] <dfkqn_> after some update, my system thinks my hw clock are in utc - how to fix that?
[00:54] <gofio> the issue is a dual boot extensevely discussed already in the channel but to a point where neither is a windows issue nor an ubuntu one, so flying solo here now
[00:56] <tomreyn> jcotton: i'd say if it's a security or bug fix which may be relevant to your system, you should
[00:56] <jcotton> I more meant it as does the update go into effect without a reboot?
[00:57] <jcotton> i'm guessing now
[00:57] <jcotton> *not
[00:57] <tonyt> does ubuntu have an iso to download that will run on a arm device?
[00:58] <NorthwestVegan> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/arm
[00:58] <tomreyn> jcotton: i assume it will doe the equivalend of a "systemctl daemon-reexec", but do not actually know this for sure.
[00:58] <jcotton> NorthwestVegan: no desktop images?
[00:58] <NorthwestVegan> im not sure, i cant remember seeing desktop images
[00:59] <OerHeks> jcotton, use the netboot version, that gives all flavors
[00:59] <tomreyn> jcotton: "lsof -p1 | grep deleted" may help yu determine whether a restart is needed. see also the package needs-restart
[00:59] <tomreyn> * needrestart
[01:00] <OerHeks> err tonyt ^^
[01:01] <gofio> does sudo reboot work from a live session? I mean, I want the computer to reboot not to shut down, but it asks me to remove the installation medium and then press enter
[01:02] <tonyt> k thanks oerheks
[01:02] <Krennic> hmm
[01:04] <gofio> i'm afraid not
[01:05] <gofio> https://askubuntu.com/questions/52458/is-it-possible-to-reboot-live-cd-powered-computer
[01:05] <OerHeks> gofio, you are trolling
[01:06] <gofio> that's ur opinion OerHeks, can't help with that
[01:07] <RandomGuyOnIrc> How do I update my bios from ubuntu? The upgrader comes as a windows executable
[01:08] <jcotton> sometimes you can still pass that exe to an update accessible from the BIOS
[01:08] <jcotton> Dells do that
[01:09] <OerHeks> RandomGuyOnIrc, maybe with a freedos iso, check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIOSUpdate
[01:09] <RandomGuyOnIrc> So how do II pass the exe to the correct thing?
[01:09] <gofio> I'm trying to fix an issue OerHeks, if that's trollin for u then I should better leave and keep searching somewhere else I guess
[01:11] <jcotton> RandomGuyOnIrc: what model is the madhine?
[01:11] <RandomGuyOnIrc> jcotton: lattitude e6440
[01:12] <jcotton> dell right? throw the updater onto a fat32 usb drive, and hammer f12 before you see the dell logo on bootup
[01:12] <jcotton> then select the bios update option
[01:12] <RandomGuyOnIrc> ok
[01:13] <RandomGuyOnIrc> that sounds easy, thanks
[01:13] <RandomGuyOnIrc> your explanation is better than the Internet's also, thanks
[01:24] <Krennic> tilix is the best terminal in ubuntu :P
[01:25] <dfkqn_> how can I fix my timezone so the local time was used?
[01:25] <RandomGuyOnIrc> i will try tilix
[01:29] <jcotton> is there a section in software center for terminals?
[01:35] <LACampbell> has the software-center been replaced by something else?
[01:35] <LACampbell> it's not on my system, and there's no such package in the repos
[01:36] <tomreyn> jcotton: i'm not sure whether apt repository subsections are displayed in software center (probably rather in synaptic, if anywhere on the GUI), but there is the "x11" subsection which also (amongst much else) contains terminal emulators (but i'm not sure that's what you meant by "terminals").
[01:36] <tomreyn> LACampbell: i thionk it was renamed to ubuntu-software or gnome-software
[01:36] <jcotton> things like tilix and gnome-terminal
[01:36] <jcotton> and yeah its ubuntu-sofware
[01:37] <tomreyn> jcotton: those are temrinal emulators, yes
[01:38] <LACampbell> thanks tomreyn. realise I've I'm still in 18.04 so doing an upgrade
[01:38] <tomreyn> LACampbell: it's the latest LTS, so maybe you're good
[01:39] <jcotton> tempted to do-release-upgrade but in middle of school project
[01:45] <s_conn> hi guys! what is the name of that dance song from 90's like "o sinho he o sinho he . dame dame"
[01:45] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I upgraded my bios, checked that all the settings were the same as my other Dell E6440, and I still can't use my nic. In syslog, I get this line, "device eno1 state changed: unmanaged->unavailable (reason 'managed', sys-iface-state: 'external')
[01:45] <RandomGuyOnIrc> any ideas on how to fix this?
[01:45] <fosslinux> s_conn: this is for ubuntu linux support, not song names
[01:46] <s_conn> seems kind a linux issue ... main theme
[01:46] <s_conn> any idea ?
[01:46] <fosslinux> q/go 41
[01:46] <fosslinux> oop
[01:46] <jcotton> RandomGuyOnIrc: from that same f12 menu you can start hardware diagnostics
[01:47] <jcotton> worth a shot
[01:47] <RandomGuyOnIrc> jcotton: good idea
[01:47] <RandomGuyOnIrc> thanks
[01:47] <fosslinux> q/go 41
[01:47] <jcotton> RandomGuyOnIrc: fair warning: it beeps loudly at least once
[01:48] <RandomGuyOnIrc> jcotton: thanks
[01:54] <tomreyn> RandomGuyOnIrc: you may have soft or hard blocked it:   rfkill list | nc termbin.com
[01:55] <RandomGuyOnIrc> tomreyn: thanks
[01:58] <LACampbell> I may as well skip 18.10 and go to 19.04. I barely have any software installed so stuff can't be too broken (famous last words)
[01:59] <tomreyn> LACampbell: check   ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported
[01:59] <LACampbell> you can't do 18.04 -> 19.04 anyway (: oh well, two upgrades it is
[02:00] <tomreyn> right
[02:01] <tomreyn> probably around summer next year, you could go directly to 20.04.1, though
[02:01] <tomreyn> *LTS
[02:01] <LACampbell> I think 6 months strikes the right balance for me between stability and bleeding edge
[02:02] <tomreyn> also famous last words ;-)
[02:02] <LACampbell> ha! you stick with LTS?
[02:02] <tomreyn> yes, but i'm mostly joking, you should be fine
[02:03] <LACampbell> Jeez I just realize I've been using ubuntu for 12 years now. time flies
[02:03] <jcotton> this channel is purely for ubuntu support right? not apps that can run on it?
[02:05] <tomreyn> iff those apps are in ubuntu, it's on topic
[02:05] <tomreyn> there's also #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:05] <jcotton> in meaning bundled?
[02:05] <jcotton> like Firefox/gnome-terminal/etc?
[02:06] <tomreyn> in the official repsoitories or canonical snaps
[02:06] <kinghat> ya im not sure why my ssh keys with correct permissions wont allow me to connect to github when i put them on a vm
[02:06] <jcotton> ok
[02:07] <rebab> My computer doesn't respond when I logged in. Only my mouse works (right click doesn't work only moving). I temporary "fixed" the problem by switching GUI to Terminal and Terminal to GUI (ctrl+alt+f1 and ctrl+alt+f7). Interestingly it fixes the problem but I don't want to do this every time I turn on my PC. Is there a way to fix this problem?
[02:08] <tomreyn> dyc3: oh you made it back! i was a little worried there. which kernel now?
[02:09] <dyc3> tomreyn: hi! yeah im back. went to go eat dinner while i was updating. I've rebooted and DNS still broke :(
[02:10] <tomreyn> rebab: so effectively you're saying your keyboard stoped working right after you logged in - by typing your password, i assume? and you got the keyboard working again by switching between TTYs.
[02:10] <RandomGuyOnIrc> still no luck
[02:11] <dyc3> tomreyn: btw i checked my kernel version and its at 4.18 now
[02:11] <RandomGuyOnIrc> in syslog, I get this line, "device eno1 state changed: unmanaged->unavailable (reason 'managed', sys-iface-state: 'external')
[02:11] <RandomGuyOnIrc> sigh
[02:11] <RandomGuyOnIrc> spent all day on this
[02:12] <tomreyn> dyc3: care to post another kernel log?
[02:12] <RandomGuyOnIrc> i suspect my nic is damaged
[02:12] <tomreyn> RandomGuyOnIrc: so what about rfkill?
[02:12] <RandomGuyOnIrc> tomreyn: nothing is blocked
[02:13] <tomreyn> what are you running there, installed how?
[02:13] <RandomGuyOnIrc> well I have tried 2 different linux os's so far, debian and now ubuntu mate
[02:13] <RandomGuyOnIrc> the latest version
[02:13] <dyc3> tomreyn: output of journalctl -b -> https://termbin.com/ht1q
[02:13] <RandomGuyOnIrc> 9.8.0
[02:13] <rebab> tomreyn: Not keyboard. GUI doesn't show up. I only see the wallpaper. After switching TTYs (GUI -> Terminal -> GUI) everything back to normal. Is there a fix this? Don't want to delete Ubuntu.
[02:14] <tomreyn> RandomGuyOnIrc: 9.8.0 of what?
[02:14] <RandomGuyOnIrc> sorry, that was debian
[02:14] <RandomGuyOnIrc> ubuntu-mate-18.04.2
[02:15] <tomreyn> rebab: what are you running there, installed how?
[02:16] <tomreyn> RandomGuyOnIrc: with the default kernel version?
[02:16] <RandomGuyOnIrc> yes
[02:16] <tomreyn> and was the NIC ever working?
[02:16] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I never saw it work, no
[02:16] <tomreyn> dyc3: looking
[02:16] <RandomGuyOnIrc> it is a new machine
[02:16] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I guess I need to return it
[02:17] <rebab> tomreyn: I've been using Xubuntu for 5 months. It happened 3 days ago. I don't know why...
[02:18] <tomreyn> rebab: does this say, amongst other, "root root"?  ls -l ~/.Xauthority
[02:19] <tomreyn> RandomGuyOnIrc: unless it's disabled in bios or you lack the firmware or something, might be.
[02:19] <RandomGuyOnIrc> tomreyn: i have checked and rechecked the bios
[02:19] <tomreyn> RandomGuyOnIrc: post    nmcli devices | nc termbin.com 9999
[02:19] <dyc3> tomreyn: also, after I upgraded all my packages, I still have 20 packages that are being held back for some reason, like `build-essential`, `cpp`, `g++`
[02:20] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I have the exact same make and model, one year newer, the bios is the same, and it works
[02:20] <jcotton> RandomGuyOnIrc: you could rule out hw issues by checking from a Windows install USB
[02:20] <jcotton> (assuming its ethernet not wifi)
[02:21] <gofio> 4:20 again :-D
[02:21] <rebab> tomreyn: -rw------- 1 rebab rebab 50 Apr 22 02:59 .Xauthority
[02:21] <RandomGuyOnIrc> jcotton: I don't have a windows install usb. How do I get one?
[02:23] <kinghat> so it looks like if you deviate away from the default names of ssh keys that you need to setup a config file for them.
[02:24] <RandomGuyOnIrc> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gQsDTk3q2R/
[02:24] <RandomGuyOnIrc> tomreyn: that is nmcli output
[02:25] <RandomGuyOnIrc> weird how it gets the mac correct, but eno1 is unavailable
[02:26] <dyc3> tomreyn: oh! dig no longer times out, but the DNS resolutions are empty. It's contacting a server at 127.0.0.53
[02:27] <RandomGuyOnIrc> well I have to sleep
[02:27] <RandomGuyOnIrc> thanks guys
[02:27] <RandomGuyOnIrc> ttyl
[02:29] <jcotton> does X have a log of some sorts?
[02:29] <jcotton> it flips out when I exit out of fullscreen in Minecraft
[02:29] <jcotton> https://arxius.io/i/c789bbfb
[02:29] <Abdullah> X = xorg jcotton ?
[02:30] <jcotton> ye
[02:30] <tomreyn> dyc3: okay, this llog really looks a lot better already. can you post       ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported | nc termbin.com 9999
[02:30] <jcotton> or whatever the default display system is in 18.10 with Gnome
[02:31] <tomreyn> rebab: hmm okay so it's a different issue. i suggest you review the log files, especially the bottom:    journalctl -b
[02:31] <dfkqn_> how can I fix my timezone so the local time was used?
[02:31] <Abdullah> How are you starting X ? if you're using some Windows managers, just do it like, `exec dwm 2>/tmp/dwm.log`
[02:31] <jcotton> adu
[02:31] <jcotton> ack
[02:31] <jcotton> Abdullah: gdm is starting it
[02:31] <dfkqn_> right now, it calculates the time as if the clock were utc
[02:31] <dyc3> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/ay9z
[02:32] <tomreyn> RandomGuyOnIrc: woeusb is a utility which can write a windows iso to a usb storage in a way that windows will boot. it's not in ubuntu, though. maybe also ask in ##windows
[02:32] <jcotton> should also note I'm using propietary nvidia drivers
[02:32] <Abdullah> no idea about gdm. maybe its /etc/gdm* configuration has something for log
[02:32] <tomreyn> dyc3: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
[02:33] <dyc3> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/sn5y
[02:35] <jcotton> how do I sign Nouveua for using in secure boot?
[02:35] <jcotton> I just switched back to it to troubleshoot something
[02:35] <jcotton> but now i'm on low res
[02:36] <tomreyn> RandomGuyOnIrc: it could be just a driver issue, maybe missing firmware
[02:37] <tomreyn> dyc3: you didn't run with --show-unsupported
[02:38] <tomreyn> dyc3: but the summary is already quite telling:  You have 189 packages (5.1%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded
[02:38] <dyc3> tomreyn: oops, here https://termbin.com/ggp5
[02:38] <tomreyn> these are packages for which no apt source is known
[02:39] <tomreyn> removing those (except maybe a few you really want to keep in this state, if you have to - printer drivers in my case) may enable you to overcome the current dependency issues.
[02:41] <dyc3> tomreyn: gotcha.
[02:41] <tomreyn> dyc3: you can try having a static /etc/resolve.conf file again (rm the symlink) if it helps
[02:42] <jcotton> I see I need to use kmodsign somehow?
[02:42] <jcotton> but can't figure out how
[02:42] <tomreyn> jcotton: nouvau is open source, should already be signed, i think
[02:42] <jcotton> it's not loading
[02:43] <jcotton> only getting 1024x768 when I boot with it selectefd
[02:43] <tomreyn> jcotton: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/DKMS https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/Signing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot
[02:43] <jcotton> trying to see if its the propietary drivers that's making Minecraft freak out
[02:44] <chanh> I removed MySql packages,folder and in my server and I did reinstall my-sqlsever. Now I can not using "php -a" , Can anyone help you,please ?
[02:44] <tomreyn> IIRC nouveau requires modesetting. if you have "nomodeset" then it would fall back to VESA
[02:44] <jcotton> oh hm
[02:44] <jcotton> ⋊> ~ sudo modprobe nouveau                                                   22:44:10
[02:44] <jcotton> modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:832 kmod_module_insert_module() could not find module by name='off'
[02:44] <jcotton> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'off': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[02:46] <tomreyn> so you looked at dmesg and?
[02:46] <jcotton> nothing mentioning nouveau
[02:46] <jcotton> checked with grep too
[02:46] <chanh>  I missing some files like /etc/php/7.2/mods-available/mysqli.ini and /etc/php/7.2/mods-available/mysqlnd.ini, how can I install them again ?
[02:46] <dyc3> tomreyn: ok, I replaced the resolv.conf, is there anything I have to restart to get it to work
[02:46] <jcotton> same for "off"
[02:46] <tomreyn> jcotton: it's trying to load a module named "off", which suggests a syntax error in a configuration file, i'd say.
[02:47] <jcotton> what config files would be relevant here?
[02:47] <tomreyn> dyc3: yes, systemctl restart systemd-resolved
[02:48] <tomreyn> jcotton: /etc/mod*
[02:48] <jcotton> noting :(
[02:49] <jcotton> grep of nouveau in /etc doesn't turn up anything
[02:49] <dyc3> tomreyn: ok, DNS resolution is now working
[02:49] <tomreyn> jcotton: and you did a web search for thie error message?
[02:50] <tomreyn> dyc3: nice. so next to sort out those leftover packages which are getting in the way
[02:51] <tomreyn> dyc3: these are likely packages from an earlier ubuntu release, or from PPAs which were disabled by the upgrade. you could also re-enable those PPAs where you want to keep them
[02:51] <jcotton> found a launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/1774359
[02:51] <jcotton> different moudle, but same error
[02:52] <tomreyn> dyc3: in the end, you should have only few, better no packages listed in "no longer downloadable".
[02:52] <tomreyn> jcotton: does it mention a workaround then? maybe it's a generic error?
[02:53] <jcotton> seems to come from "alias nouveau off" but I don't have anything like that in etc
[02:53] <jcotton> this isn't by chance "compiled" into the initramfs is it?
[02:53] <tomreyn> jcotton: not compiled, but packaged, well possible
[02:53] <tomreyn> you can always build a new one.
[02:54] <tomreyn> sudo update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -c
[02:54] <jcotton> oh wait
[02:54] <jcotton> there's /lib/modprobe.d too
[02:54] <tomreyn> does it for the currently running kernel only
[02:54] <jcotton> (who puts config files in lib???0
[02:55] <jcotton> ⋊> /l/m/4/k/d/g/d/nouveau cat /lib/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf   22:54:19
[02:55] <jcotton> blacklist nouveau
[02:55] <jcotton> that'll do it
[02:55] <tomreyn> if i was to guess: the venndor of your graphivs card, whoe unsupported driver you had installed
[02:55] <jcotton> there's the alias line in there too
[02:56] <chanh> I removed MySql packages,folder and in my server and I did reinstall my-sqlsever. Now I can not using "php -a" , Can anyone help you,please ?
[02:57] <jcotton> oh i see what happened
[02:57] <jcotton> removing the driver in the gui didn't remove the module package
[02:57] <jcotton> and its config
[02:57]  * jcotton reboots after apt autoremove
[02:58] <tomreyn> chanh: post commands you run, all output incl. error messages they return, on paste.ubuntu.com. provide context. explain what you expected to happen, what actually happened.
[02:58] <jcotton> yep that fixed it
[02:59] <jcotton> had to do sudo apt autoremove
[03:00] <tomreyn> and the package which got removed there is?
[03:00] <jcotton> dependencies of the nvidia driver
[03:00] <chanh> tomreyn: I did like this in this page : https://help.cloud66.com/maestro/how-to-guides/databases/shells/uninstall-mysql.html
[03:02] <hohum> 19.04 is missing auth-client-config.   How would I get ldap client authentication running in 19.04?
[03:02] <tomreyn> chanh: if you also want to remove the data, everything: https://pastebin.com/raw/8nsWT5XG
[03:02] <Guest64566> virat
[03:02] <Guest64566> hello
[03:03] <chanh> tomreyn: I cannot conntect to Mysql, When I type php -a, it shows me PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library 'pdo_mysql.so' (tried: /usr/lib/php/20170718/pdo_mysql.so (/usr/lib/php/20170718/pdo_mysql.so: undefined symbol: mysqlnd_allocator), /usr/lib/php/20170718/pdo_mysql.so.so (/usr/lib/php/20170718/pdo_mysql.so.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)) in Unknown on
[03:03] <chanh> line 0
[03:03] <chanh> Interactive mode enabled
[03:04] <ubuntu_> hello
[03:04] <tomreyn> hohum: sssd is a way, i think, but i'm not sure it's the best way. checking manuals may help.
[03:04] <chanh> tomreyn: Can you help me, please ?
[03:04] <ubuntu_> hello
[03:04] <ubuntu_> can u help me ??
[03:04] <tomreyn> !patience | chanh + ubuntu_
[03:05] <ubuntu_> hello
[03:05] <tomreyn> chanh: you just removed the mysql server, how would you connect to it from php now?
[03:05] <ubuntu_> help to install ubuntu
[03:05] <tomreyn> !details | ubuntu_
[03:06] <ubuntu_> help me to install ubuntu
[03:06] <tomreyn> ubuntu_: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-install-ubuntu-desktop
[03:07] <ubuntu_> when i click on it is coming no root file is found
[03:07] <chanh> tomreyn: I reinstall mysql server but I am missing some files
[03:08] <chanh>  I missing some files like /etc/php/7.2/mods-available/mysqli.ini and /etc/php/7.2/mods-available/mysqlnd.ini
[03:08] <ubuntu_> what should i do now
[03:08] <tomreyn> chanh: those belong to php, not to mysql-server.
[03:09] <fosslinux> q/go 41
[03:09] <tomreyn> ubuntu_: you click on what?
[03:09] <ubuntu_> what should i do install
[03:09] <tomreyn> ubuntu_: i sent you a tutorial link a minute ago, did you see it?
[03:09] <ubuntu_> yeah
[03:09] <ubuntu_> can u access my pc
[03:09] <fosslinux> q/go 41
[03:09] <tomreyn> ubuntu_: follow this tutorial
[03:10] <chanh> tomreyn: Yes, I think so but I dont know how can I fix it, Can you give me some ideas to fix it ?
[03:10] <ubuntu_> yeah
[03:10] <tomreyn> fosslinux: what's up with your irc window switching failures?
[03:10] <fosslinux> sorry
[03:10] <fosslinux> idk
[03:10] <ubuntu_> i dont knw'
[03:10] <fosslinux> somethings up with my keyboard
[03:10] <tomreyn> ubuntu_: we don't do remote support.
[03:10] <fosslinux> looking into it
[03:10] <tomreyn> thanks fosslinux
[03:11] <ubuntu_> it is coming no root
[03:11] <fosslinux> *should* be fixed now, let me know if something happens again
[03:11] <ubuntu_> files found
[03:11] <tomreyn> ubuntu_: what is your native language?
[03:11] <ubuntu_> telugu
[03:12] <tomreyn> !in | ubottu
[03:12] <tomreyn> !in | ubuntu_
[03:12] <ubuntu_> ok
[03:12] <ubuntu_> access my pc
[03:13] <tomreyn> /join #ubuntu-in
[03:13] <chanh> tomreyn: Can you give me some ideas to fix ?
[03:14] <ubuntu_>  what ideas
[03:14] <tomreyn> chanh: you could start by discussing your environment, what you're planning to do. start with your ubuntu version.
[03:14] <ubuntu_> i want to intall
[03:15] <tomreyn> chanh: this command will tell:   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[03:15] <fosslinux> ubuntu_: you should join the channel #ubuntu-in
[03:15] <fosslinux> you can talk in telugu there
[03:15] <fosslinux> run /join #ubuntu-in
[03:15] <ubuntu_> hello
[03:15] <ubuntu_> continue in english
[03:16] <tomreyn> fosslinux: nice try.
[03:16] <fosslinux> ubuntu_: we're having a lot of problems trying to understand you
[03:16] <ubuntu_> what
[03:17] <chanh> tomreyn: My version : 18.10,
[03:17] <tomreyn> chanh: can you post the output of this command i posted?
[03:17] <ubuntu_> no
[03:17] <tomreyn> id adds some more info
[03:17] <tomreyn> *it
[03:18] <ubuntu_> is there any remote session
 ubuntu_: we don't do remote support.
[03:18] <ubuntu_> ok
[03:19] <tomreyn> ask someone local sho already knows, they can show you.
[03:19] <tomreyn> ask someone local who already knows, they can show you.
[03:20] <chanh> tomreyn: this is the link : https://termbin.com/b4lt
[03:20] <dyc3> tomreyn: ok, I think I've fixed all my dependency issues. no packages are being held back
[03:21] <tomreyn> chanh: thanks. you are probably missing https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/php-mysql
[03:22] <tomreyn> dyc3: then reboot again, see whether it fixes remaining issues
[03:22] <tomreyn> go over you system journal again on your own, see if there are issues. you can use        journalctl -p 4 -b    to only list warnings and worse.
[03:23] <chanh> tomreyn: Do I need to install all files in the link you sent me ?
[03:24] <tomreyn> chanh: no, you need to    sudo apt install php-mysql    to use mysql from php
[03:24] <dyc3> tomreyn: ok, brb
[03:26] <chanh> tomreyn: I already have this
[03:27] <chanh> tomreyn: php -a
[03:27] <chanh> PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library 'pdo_mysql.so' (tried: /usr/lib/php/20170718/pdo_mysql.so (/usr/lib/php/20170718/pdo_mysql.so: undefined symbol: mysqlnd_allocator), /usr/lib/php/20170718/pdo_mysql.so.so (/usr/lib/php/20170718/pdo_mysql.so.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)) in Unknown on line 0
[03:27] <chanh> Interactive mode enabled
[03:29] <tomreyn> chanh: you have configured somewhere in /etc/php* that the PDO_MYSQL module is to be loaded, but this module is nowhere to be found
[03:30] <carson_> tomreyn: I replaced my /etc/resolv.conf with the symbolic link and DNS appears to be working again!
[03:30] <tomreyn> this file is part of the php7.2-mysql package
[03:30] <carson_> tomreyn: wait, I think I spoke too soon
[03:30] <chanh> tomreyn: What should I do now ?
[03:31] <Ben64> probably install that package
[03:31] <dyc3> whoops forgot to switch my nick
[03:32] <tomreyn> chanh: sudo apt install -o 'APT::Install-Recommends 1' php-mysql
[03:33] <tomreyn> chanh: sudo apt install -o 'APT::Install-Recommends=1' php-mysql
[03:33] <tomreyn> typo fixed
[03:33] <tomreyn> dyc3: oh thats you.
[03:34] <dyc3> tomreyn: yeah, so DNS with the symlinked resolv.conf is still broken
[03:34] <chanh> tomreyn: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded. I think I already have
[03:34] <tomreyn> dyc3: restart systemd-networkd again, also networking
[03:36] <dyc3> tomreyn: done, dig times out
[03:36] <tomreyn> chanh: apt list --installed php*
[03:37] <dyc3> tomreyn: /etc/resolv.conf says "No DNS servers known" :/
[03:37] <tomreyn> chanh: should include both php-mysql and php7.2-mysql
[03:37] <tomreyn> chanh: if it does,m then you removed the file /usr/lib/php/20170718/pdo_mysql.so manually, and need to reinstall the package to recover
[03:38] <tomreyn> dyc3: do you have them configured in network.manager?=
[03:38] <tomreyn> actually shouldn't be needed, yuo get them via dhcp
[03:38] <dyc3> tomreyn: network manager picked up the DNS servers from dhcp
[03:38] <tomreyn> dyc3: maybe reboot once more, or logout / login, since i'm not sure what exactly needs to be restarted
[03:39] <dyc3> tomreyn: ok brb
[03:39] <chanh> tomreyn: yes, I removed the file manually. I tried installing both php-mysql and php7.2-mysql using apt with --reinstall option, but I still don't get the missing files back
[03:41] <dyc3> tomreyn: I'm back, DNS still not working
[03:43] <tomreyn> chanh:    dpkg -S /usr/lib/php/20170718/pdo_mysql.so    should tell you that this file is provided by the php7.2-mysql package. and if      apt list --installed php7.2-mysql    states that this package is installed, then this means that the installation of this package was corrupted, possibly as a result of manual intervention. and that can be recovered by    sudo apt --reinstall install php7.2-mysql    - this is all i know.
[03:44] <tomreyn> dyc3: hmm, sorry to hear this. you previously hd this line logged, do you still have it?
[03:44] <tomreyn> Apr 21 22:03:41 gazelle snapd[1130]: stateengine.go:102: state ensure error: Get https://api.snapcraft.io/api/v1/snaps/sections: dial tcp: lookup api.snapcraft.io on 127.0.0.53:53: server misbehaving
[03:45] <tomreyn> if so, there's still an issue with systemd-resolved or dnsmasq, not sure which of the two.
[03:45] <chanh> tomreyn: thank you so much, I will try to do it
[03:45] <dyc3> tomreyn: that line does not appear in my logs
[03:48] <kinghat> is there a way to get back to the latest kernel that ubuntu 18 should be on?
[03:48] <kinghat> somehow im on 4.15.0-47-generic and i think it should be up in the 4.18ish area.
[03:49] <kinghat> i think trying to fix grub i messed with the kernel i on.
[03:49] <tomreyn> dyc3: okay, maybe there are other errors still, take a look. at least you have a workaround (rm the resolver symlink, create a static resolv.conf file) for now. and i need to catch some sleep.
[03:49] <kinghat> 4.18.0-17-generic maybe?
[03:49] <dyc3> tomreyn: ok, thank you sooo much for your help!
[03:49] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic bionic | kinghat
[03:50] <tomreyn> dyc3: don't forget about your static records in /etc/hosts -and ask your questions again here, summing things up again.
[03:50] <tomreyn> dyc3:can be now or later, up to you
[03:50] <dyc3> right, I'll try again tomorrow. its late for me too
[03:52] <kinghat> Bashing-om: so its not out of date?
[03:53] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Nope , ^^ is current.
[03:56] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic-lts-bionic
[03:57] <Bashing-om> !info linux-generic-lts-bionic
[03:58] <Ben64> ??
[03:58] <ChetManly> how to get dc3dd
[03:59] <Ben64> sudo apt install dc3dd
[03:59] <Bashing-om> Ben64: Just forgot the correct syntax for checking hwe :(
[03:59] <Ben64> oh, for what release
[03:59] <Bashing-om> Ben64: Poster be on bionic .
[04:01] <Ben64> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04-edge
[04:02] <Bashing-om> Ben64: :) .. will so note.
[04:03] <jcb2016> anyone use xfce and use the battery applet? if so how did you get it?
[04:04] <kinghat> so new installs are using that, Bashing-om?
[04:06] <Bashing-om> kinghat: 18.04.2 will be HWE enabled and yes will use the cosmic kernel - 4.18.0.16.65 ,
[04:06] <Bashing-om> !HWE | kinghat
[04:10] <sebseabass> Someone say something please. :)
[04:10] <kinghat> Bashing-om: is there a way to convert to that?
[04:12] <Bashing-om> kinghat: If you are on 18,04.1 then yes , The directions I expect are in the link.
[04:12] <atheodo> my computer totally froze all of a sudden and had to restart via the power button
[04:12] <atheodo> can i see where the crash report is
[04:13] <atheodo> or ubuntu does not have crash reports?
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> atheodo: /var/crash
[04:16] <Bashing-om> atheodo: Is this a crash or a system freeze ? crash reports in the /var/crash/ directory, Many times when the system freezes there is no way to write to the logs.
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> atheodo: its also very handy when asking a question you give the volunteers as much details as you can, ubuntu version, kernel,what happens when,..
[04:17] <atheodo> i see what you are saying
[04:17] <atheodo> i thought linux did not crush :-)
[04:17] <atheodo> hexchat kept givng errors that it was misbahaving, so I removed it and installed xchat
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> !xchat | atheodo
[04:22] <atheodo> sorry I  am running 18.04 lts
[04:23] <atheodo> i was just using hexchat
[04:23] <atheodo> evolution and firefox
[04:23] <kinghat> thanks Bashing-om
[04:23] <atheodo> all of a sudden the computer just froze no mouse or keyboard
[04:24] <Bashing-om> kinghat: :) small thing. You are welcome.
[04:36] <ChetManly> how to get dc3dd
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> ChetManly: Ben64 already told you how
[04:37] <ChetManly> lotuspsychje: sorry i missed it
[04:37] <ChetManly> i scrolled up and didnt see
[04:37] <ChetManly> oh its in the repos?
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> ChetManly: rule number one for installing ubuntu software, always search the official repos first :p
[04:39] <ChetManly> i must have mistyped it the first time.... failure
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> ChetManly: to search software, available for your system: apt-cache search keyword
[04:45] <dax> lotuspsychje: xchat is indeed back from the dead. It's still not a great idea. I've updated !xchat accordingly.
[04:45] <ChetManly> I see what I did, I have a livecd session going and hadnt updated apt but now that I did I cannot find it still it
[04:45] <ChetManly> but it show up on another system
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> dax: thank you
[04:47] <ChetManly> I dont want to have to upgrade the whole livedisk to install one app
[04:47] <ChetManly> shouldnt update be enough?
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> ChetManly: are you currently on a liveusb session?
[04:48] <Ben64> depends what you're running
[04:48] <ChetManly> yes
[04:48] <ChetManly> well on a laptop beside me
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> ChetManly: a liveusb is actualy for testing purposes, when you like it we reccomend to physical install ubuntu
[04:49] <ChetManly> well Im going to use dc3dd to image the drive before install
[04:51] <ChetManly> package manager doesnt see it either
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> ChetManly: you mean making a backup before install?
[04:51] <ChetManly> clone disk of winblows
[04:53] <ChetManly> just learnt about the variations of dd and wanted to try but doesnt seem to want to lol
[04:55] <ChetManly> must add repos after install
[06:01] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[06:01] <marcoagpinto> I have installed 19.04 twice and it doesn't accept my password
[06:01] <marcoagpinto> "Sorry that didn't work. Please try again"
[06:02] <marcoagpinto> :(((((((((((
[06:02] <marcoagpinto> what is wrong?
[06:03] <dfkqn_> your layout is wrong?
[06:03] <marcoagpinto> what?
[06:03] <marcoagpinto> it is exactly the same as 18.04 and 18.10
[06:03] <marcoagpinto> I didn't change anything
[06:16] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:16] <marcoagpinto> I got disconnected
[06:16] <marcoagpinto> my password doesn't work in 19.04
[06:17] <MrElendig> keyboard layout?
[06:17] <MrElendig> capslock?
[06:18] <marcoagpinto> impossible, since while installed I retyped it and it matched
[06:18] <marcoagpinto> only in the login screen it complains about it
[06:18] <marcoagpinto> while installing*
[06:18] <MrElendig> that it matched during install doesn't mean that it does now
[06:18] <MrElendig> type the letters in as the username and see if they are correct
[06:19] <MrElendig> also, you might simply have typoed it
[06:19] <MrElendig> I asume you are actually getting a wrong password error, and not a different one?
[06:19] <marcoagpinto> it is a wrong password error
[06:20] <marcoagpinto> since I typed random letters to test
[06:20] <marcoagpinto> and the error is the same
[06:21] <marcoagpinto> anyway, I will reboot my laptop and reinstall the VM from zero
[06:21] <marcoagpinto> :)
[06:21] <MrElendig> no need to reinstall
[06:21] <MrElendig> just reset the password if you really believe the layout is correct
[06:21] <MrElendig> did you try logging in on tty instead of the dm btw?
[06:22] <lhlbzz> raspberry
[06:22] <EriC^> marcoagpinto: if the layout is wrong, it would also give a password error, try using a tty and type the password in your login to see if it's being typed correct
[06:23] <marcoagpinto> what is tty?
[06:23] <marcoagpinto> the layout is "Portuguese"
[06:23] <EriC^> ctrl+alt+f1
[06:23] <EriC^> which vm are you using virtualbox?
[06:23] <marcoagpinto> yes
[06:23] <marcoagpinto> VirtualBox
[06:23] <marcoagpinto> how did you guess?
[06:23] <EriC^> press right ctrl+f2
[06:24] <MrElendig> or host key, click icon, send key to guest
[06:25] <marcoagpinto> the laptop is still booting
[06:25] <marcoagpinto> :)
[06:25] <marcoagpinto> I will try in a minute
[06:25] <marcoagpinto> thanks for the help
[06:27] <MrElendig> to change the password you could simply mount the guest on the host and generate a new hash and put in the shadow file
[06:28] <marcoagpinto> well, it says the login is incorrect
[06:28] <marcoagpinto> :(
[06:29] <marcoagpinto> but I typed the pass also in the username and I saw that the letters that appear on screen match
[06:29] <marcoagpinto> so, I can't understand what is wrong
[06:29] <MrElendig> probably typoed the password, that would be my guess
[06:29] <marcoagpinto> but I installed 19.04 twice
[06:30] <thefatma> Hello guys how can i check on Ubutnu16.04.2 what is the total size of my home folder ?
[06:30] <marcoagpinto> how can I typoed twice?
[06:30] <MrElendig> or the username
[06:30] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhhhhh
[06:30] <marcoagpinto> :((((((((
[06:30] <MrElendig> thefatma: man du
[06:30] <marcoagpinto> let me install again
[06:30] <marcoagpinto> :)
[06:30] <MrElendig> no need
[06:30] <MrElendig> you can rename the user or just make a new one
[06:30] <thefatma> MrElending : du doesn't work properly for some reaosn, is there some other option ?
[06:30] <MrElendig> thefatma: or ncdu if you want a overview of the subdirs
[06:31] <MrElendig> thefatma: or one of the multiple gui diskspace analyzers
[06:35] <thefatma> Ok, guys i have upped my disk space on the VM throught vcenter, but now i want to configure it throught the LVM on the machine aswell, please guide me :3
[06:37] <MrElendig> grow the pv, vg, lv and fs in that order+
[06:37] <MrElendig> ?
[06:56] <marcoagpinto> well, now it is the third time I install 19.04 and it still says the password is wrong
[06:57] <marcoagpinto> maybe it is an issue with the computer name?
[06:57] <marcoagpinto> since it add "Virtual box blah blah" after the username?
[06:57] <marcoagpinto> adds*
[07:00] <dfkqn_> username cannot contain spaces, so it is unlikely it was added to
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[07:01] <Bruno> 54
[07:01] <dfkqn_> marcoagpinto: try to use the install media to boot into a rescue session and change the password from there
[07:01] <Bruno> bB
[07:01] <Bruno> ¨
[07:01] <Bruno> Bts
[07:01] <ducasse> Bruno: stop that please
[07:01] <Bruno> ?
[07:02] <Bruno> 9NK
[07:02] <ducasse> !support | Bruno
[07:02] <Bruno> qwA
[07:02] <Bruno> eCX
[07:02] <Bruno> p
[07:02] <Bruno> pNGc
[07:02] <dfkqn_> marcoagpinto: also, are num/capslocks off?
[07:03] <Bruno> SYS
[07:03] <Bruno> ok
[07:03] <Bruno> Nmhbyu
[07:03] <Bruno> asPY
[07:04] <Bruno> McGN
[07:04] <marcoagpinto> https://i.imgur.com/NKtNZcr.png
[07:04] <marcoagpinto> yes, I know what I am doing
[07:04] <marcoagpinto> I am not a complete newbie
[07:04] <Bruno> o
[07:04] <Bruno> IJN
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[07:04] <marcoagpinto> I have been creating VMs since Ubuntu 12
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[07:06] <Bruno> Çola
[07:08] <Bruno> tYb)9
[07:08] <Bruno> +,1
[07:09] <Bruno> gNI
[07:09] <ducasse> !ops | Bruno
[07:09] <Bruno> rVA
[07:09] <Bruno> AS
[07:12] <Bruno> Sq
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[07:13] <Bruno> v15
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[07:14] <Bruno> }a
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[07:15] <Bruno> iD
[07:15] <Bruno> uNNrea
[07:15] <Bruno> mMunsd
[07:15] <ducasse> Bruno: do you have an ubuntu question, or are you just here to spam?
[07:36] <doug16k> can someone try something for me? when you press alt+left or alt+right (arrow keys), is it changing to another virtual terminal for you?
[07:37] <guiverc> doug16k, nope, but didn't expect it to (it's ctrl+alt+arrow) ; you didn't specify release either (which may differ)
[07:38] <doug16k> suddenly my setup is doing that and it is a serious issue. I can't do word left right when remote controlling one client, and locally, when I try "go back" in my favourite IDE now it switches to another terminal :(
[07:38] <doug16k> equally strangely, alt+f2 acts as if I press ctrl+alt+f2
[07:39] <MrElendig> doug16k: does for me, as expected, when on an actual tty
[07:39] <MrElendig> doug16k: that is normal
[07:39] <MrElendig> if you are on an actual tty
[07:39] <doug16k> I'm in the GUI though. shouldn't there right?
[07:39] <MrElendig> generally yes
[07:40] <MrElendig> are you in a vm?
[07:40] <doug16k> no
[07:40] <doug16k> using ubuntu on this for years, suddenly started
[07:41] <doug16k> is there some way to see every key bind other than that settings/devces/keyboard thing?
[07:41] <doug16k> I did reset all in there. no effect
[07:43] <Croran> doug16k: did you try unplugging your keyboard and reconnecting it?
[07:43] <doug16k> yes. tried another keyboard too. same
[07:43] <Croran> doug16k: you rebooted?
[07:43] <doug16k> think so but I will now to be 100% sure
[07:44] <doug16k> brb
[07:47] <doug16k> yay! it stopped
[07:48] <Croran> nice. another tip you might try is 'showkey -a'. it should show ctrl caret prefix on any keys you type if there's a 'stuck key' issue.
[07:50] <doug16k> when you less /var/log/syslog how long do you have to hold page up to get past all the ureadahead "ignored relative path" messages
[07:51] <doug16k> or is that just me :)
[07:52] <Croran> doug16k: appears to be just you. what is generating the messages?
[07:53] <doug16k> `grep 'Ignored relative path' < /var/log/syslog | wc -l` prints "136899"
[07:54] <doug16k> here's a screenful https://gist.github.com/doug65536/58cec28f305ca7925c98f20f50b37e81
[07:54] <doug16k> does that answer your question?
[07:55] <doug16k> how do I reset ureadahead to relearn
[07:55] <doug16k> is there a straightforward thing?
[07:56] <doug16k> ahhh. just ran into this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/749224/92-of-syslog-is-filled-with-message-regarding-ureadahead-ignoring-relative-pa#840567
[07:56] <Croran> doug16k: apparently there's a fix in bionic's -proposed repo
[07:57] <Croran> doug16k: if you're on bionic, you can enable proposed in 'dev options' tab of software & updates panel.
[07:57] <dfkqn_> when will ubunu move to gcc8?
[07:57] <doug16k> is LTS bionic?
[07:57] <Croran> doug16k: yes
[07:57] <Croran> doug16k: well... current LTS is.
[07:57] <doug16k> that is what I'm on
[07:57] <doug16k> 18.04
[07:57] <doug16k> Croran, thanks
[07:58] <Croran> doug16k: sure. here's detail if you want. i think if you are successful the devs would like to hear their work fixed it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ureadahead/+bug/1579580
[07:59] <doug16k> bug reporter has a measly 30244 messages. I destroy his count with 136899 :D
[07:59] <Croran> lol
[08:09] <Bruno__> 27
[08:09] <Bruno__> 22171
[08:10] <Bruno__> *7b4$3c2--1
[08:10] <Bruno__> }[
[08:11] <Bruno__> BrUU
[08:11] <Bruno__> @
[08:12] <doug16k> tried to provoke a logrotate and got a bunch more surprises. should this work: sudo logrotate -d /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog
[08:12] <doug16k> -d means dry run btw  (doesnt actually do log rotate)
[08:12] <Bruno__> JKN2
[08:13] <Croran> doug16k: not sure sorry. never done one manually.
[08:13] <doug16k> I get several "error: skipping "<various log names>" because parent directory has insecure permissions (It's world writable or writable by group which is not "root") Set "su" directive in config file to tell logrotate which user/group should be used for rotation."
[08:13] <doug16k> its group is syslog
[08:14] <doug16k> anyway, how do I provoke a log rotate then so I can tell if ureadahead proposed update worked cleanly
[08:14] <doug16k> go by dates in log I guess?
[08:15] <doug16k> is /var/log/syslog supposed to be 17.5 million bytes?
[08:16] <MrElendig> tighten up the permissions
[08:17] <MrElendig> and the size depends on what you are logging, and how much is wrong with your system
[08:17] <MrElendig> and how often if at all you are rotating :)
[08:17] <Croran> doug16k: if i were you i'd probably just sudo su and then manually run /etc/cron.daily/logrotate
[08:18] <Croran> doug16k: definitely no guarantees tho :)
[08:18] <doug16k> good idea. seemed successful, syslog still huge
[08:19] <MrElendig> s/sudo su/sudo -i/
[08:19] <doug16k> I did sudo -Hi
[08:19] <Croran> doug16k: ah. maybe it only works if an actual day has passed.
[08:19] <Ben64> 17.5M isn't that big
[08:20] <Croran> mrelendig: is sudo su wrong?
[08:20] <doug16k> sudo su would work too but sudo can do it without su's help, just sudo -i, or as I do set the home dir too, sudo -Hi
[08:21] <MrElendig> Croran: yes
[08:21] <MrElendig> sudo su == become root to become root....
[08:21] <Ben64> it can mess up permissions in areas
[08:21] <Croran> mrelendig: so it starts two shells, one in the other?
[08:21] <MrElendig> or rather, become root to run su to become root
[08:21] <Croran> ah ok
[08:22] <Ben64> it's not just redundant, it can be bad
[08:22] <MrElendig> its a legacy from 1993 UNIX systems which didn't have -i and -s
[08:22] <MrElendig> that sadly is repeated all over the internet in cruddy guides
[08:23] <MrElendig> just like all the cat abuse etc
[08:23] <Ben64> 'sudo su -' would be fine, but 'sudo -i' is easier anyway
[08:23] <MrElendig> "fine"
[08:23] <Ben64> yes, fine
[08:23] <doug16k> I could just truncate --size 0 /var/log/syslog eh?
[08:24] <MrElendig> doug16k: might want to compress and store somewhere else
[08:24] <MrElendig> and inspect to see what is writing so much to the logs and why
[08:24] <tatertots> .....6+1=7 ...5+2=7 ..4+3=7...all those roads lead to rome so..
[08:26] <the2048> I kind of want to set shortcuts to automatically change my monitor brightness through DDC but I can't do that without root
[08:27] <the2048> How do I set it so that a keyboard shortcut works as root without entering my password?
[08:28] <Croran> doug16k: sounds right
[08:29] <MrElendig> how exactly are you changing the brighness?
[08:29] <the2048> ddcutil
[08:29] <MrElendig> several of the backlight/brigness tools does not require root
[08:29] <the2048> I have DDC/CI enabled on my monitor
[08:30] <the2048> Any good program in that case?
[08:30] <Croran> the2048: https://www.ddcutil.com/config/#grant-readwrite-permission-for-the-devi2c-n-devices-representing-monitors
[08:30] <the2048> Thanks!
[08:30] <EriC^> the2048: xbacklight
[08:30] <Croran> the2048: you're welcome
[08:32] <MrElendig> that is pretty nasty
[08:32] <MrElendig> acls are nicer than 666
[08:33] <MrElendig> I would limit access to just the i2c device needed instead of all of them too
[08:33] <Croran> could set it to 777 and then use selinux to enforce. lol :)
[08:35] <Croran> couldn't you just add yourself to a group and then assign to that group and set 660? similar to serial devices with the 'dialout' group?
[08:36] <doug16k> that might allow a lot
[08:37] <the2048> I'll just set the exact i2c device I need as read write to my account
[08:38] <doug16k> ya if it is a separate one for monitor it's not a big deal. the wrong i2c could be nasty to unblock
[08:38] <doug16k> power management things can be there
[08:39] <the2048> Oh I found the right i2c device but I added myself to the i2c group. Should probably reboot and make note of the device
[08:41]  * MrElendig is a big fan of acl for devices
[08:41] <the2048> Hmm
[08:42] <Croran> mrelendig: what is that?
[08:42] <the2048> So apparently it's i2c-2 but that's kind of useless right now because I'm about to reboot and it might change. Either way at least I know that my monitor acknowledges DDC
[08:42] <MrElendig> uaccess is the magic way to allow users with a local session access now
[08:43] <the2048> Kind of expected it to but hey sometimes things don't work
[08:43] <Croran> mrelendig: huh. does the 'acl' part allow you to allow and deny more granular hardware permissions? block certain commands?
[08:44] <MrElendig> Croran: man 5 acl
[08:44] <MrElendig> allows you to set permissions per user
[08:45] <MrElendig> and TAG+="uaccess" will automaticly give access to users who are logged in locally
[08:45] <Croran> mrelendig: oh it's still just rwx.
[08:46] <MrElendig> Croran: correct, but per user
[08:46] <MrElendig> also does defaults, inheritance etc
[08:47] <MrElendig> sidenote: rules using uaccess have to be before the *-seat-late.rule
[09:03] <hdj> what's this
[09:06] <the2048> What in tarnation is going on now
[09:07] <the2048> I've like 5 second audio desyncs when playing 1080p video
[09:07] <{xmb}> !daemontools-run
[09:08] <{xmb}> !package daemontools-run
[09:14] <the2048> Only happens with mplayer though
[09:14] <the2048> Could be my underpowered hardware to be honest though
[09:15] <the2048> Maybe MP4 decoding is a little rough on it
[09:15] <the2048> MKV it is
[09:24] <marcoagpinto> guys?! Socratis from VirtualBox told me to install 19.04 with host=guest keyboard
[09:24] <marcoagpinto> it worked, but when I got to the desktop, I added Portuguese and removed English
[09:24] <marcoagpinto> and, after a reboot it no longer accepts the pass
[09:24] <marcoagpinto> I will reinstall in the afternoon
[09:24] <{xmb}> maybe cause keymapping changed
[09:24] <{xmb}> think whats different on the porto keymap and try to type it right again
[09:25] <MrElendig> no need to reinstall
[09:25] <{xmb}> otherwise try control-alt f1 or f2 and try login there
[09:25] <MrElendig> you can simply change the layout back
[09:25] <Croran> It appears that selinux's 'allowxperms' could be used to only allow specific commands to be transmitted to i2c devices. For those who really care about security.
[09:25] <Croran> https://marc.info/?l=selinux&m=143336061925628&w=2
[09:25] <MrElendig> this isn't windows, you don't have to reinstall just to change the keyboard layout
[09:25] <MrElendig> ^_^
[09:25] <marcoagpinto> mrelcee: how? in the login screen there is no keyboard layout
[09:25] <MrElendig> there is
[09:25] <{xmb}> try without X on console via f2
[09:26] <marcoagpinto> MrElendig
[09:26] <marcoagpinto> where?
[09:26] <MrElendig> there is even a icon to click to change it if you are using gdm
[09:26] <marcoagpinto> gdm?
[09:26] <marcoagpinto> what is that?
[09:27] <{xmb}> the login manager for x for gnome i guess
[09:27] <MrElendig> can also change it trough  Region & Language -> Input Sources -> Login screen if using gnome
[09:27] <za> test indonesian
[09:28] <za> indonesian here
[09:28] <za> is there chanel ubuntu for indonesia
[09:28] <MrElendig> (may not show if the system only has a single user)
[09:28] <za> or malaysian
[09:28] <za> is there
[09:28] <marcoagpinto> MrElendig: I can't login to the desktop
[09:29] <marcoagpinto> removing the GB keyboard says my password is wrong
[09:29] <marcoagpinto> :(
[09:29] <dfkqn_> marcoagpinto: have you checked the password in the username box?
[09:29] <marcoagpinto> yes, of course
[09:30] <marcoagpinto> it works if I install with a GB keyboard, but after the login I added the Portuguese keyboard and removed the GB
[09:30] <marcoagpinto> now the login screen doesn't accept the password
[09:31] <dfkqn_> you type the same characters but it doesn't accept them?
[09:31] <za> just 2
[09:31] <{xmb}> marcoagpinto try console login: control-alt-f3
[09:32] <marcoagpinto> let me try
[09:35] <marcoagpinto> it shows some balls like when Ubuntu is booting
[09:36] <marcoagpinto> well, I give up, in a few hours I will reinstall for the 4th time
[09:36] <marcoagpinto> :(
[09:36] <marcoagpinto> [10:20] <socratis> Do NOT delete the English keyboard!!!
[09:37] <marcoagpinto> [10:21] <socratis> *ALWAYS* keep the English keyboard no matter what! Real or virtual.
[09:37] <dfkqn_> what is your host os?
[09:37] <marcoagpinto> Windows 10
[09:39] <dfkqn_> login screen uses its own keyboard, which is set by the chosen locale, you should not be able to "remove" anything from there
[09:40] <marcoagpinto> dfkqn_: I removed from the settings after I logged in
[09:40] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:40] <marcoagpinto> and the locale I chose was GB
[09:40] <dfkqn_> and your physical layout is?
[09:41] <marcoagpinto> Portuguese
[09:41] <dfkqn_> of portugal?
[09:41] <marcoagpinto> yes
[09:59] <pacal> heyy
[10:03] <dfkqn_> what does localectl say?
[10:06] <marcoagpinto> dfkqn_: I have started reinstalled
[10:06] <marcoagpinto> dfkqn_: I have started reinstalling
[10:06] <marcoagpinto> I created a new .vdi
[10:06] <marcoagpinto> I can't wait for the afternoon
[10:06] <marcoagpinto> too much stress
[10:07] <MrElendig> much less stress if you would stop reinstalling every 5 second
[10:07] <marcoagpinto> I know :((((
[10:08] <marcoagpinto> maybe I should drink some more cola
[10:08] <MrElendig> water
[10:08] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:09] <dfkqn_> earlier redhat oses had a funny bug when only one layout were installed, even if it had no latin letters
[10:34] <marcoagpinto> guys?!
[10:35] <marcoagpinto> there must be a bug with keyboard layouts in 19.04
[10:35] <marcoagpinto> I opened the terminal with the "pt" on the top
[10:35] <marcoagpinto> and it doesn't accept my password
[10:35] <marcoagpinto> when I clicked there and change to "en" it works
[10:39] <MrElendig> sounds like you typed it in using the "wrong" keymap when you made it really
[10:39] <marcoagpinto> :((((((((
[10:40] <marcoagpinto> but it has been working since Ubuntu 12
[10:40] <marcoagpinto> only in 19.04 it doesn't
[10:45] <dfkqn_> can you verify that that "pt" layout in the terminal corresponds to your keyboard?
[10:46] <dfkqn_> also, what is localectl output on your system?
[10:52] <marcoagpinto> dfkqn_: I will check in two minutes
[10:52] <marcoagpinto> I rebooted Windows 10
[10:53] <marcoagpinto> and yes, the "pt" layout corresponds to PT
[10:53] <marcoagpinto> I tried à and á
[10:53] <marcoagpinto> :)
[10:53] <marcoagpinto> in the terminal
[10:57] <marcoagpinto> dfkqn_: how do I check that?
[10:57] <marcoagpinto> I am in 19.04's desktop
[10:57] <dfkqn_> type localectl in a terminal
[10:57] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[10:57] <marcoagpinto> let me do it
[11:00] <marcoagpinto> dfkqn_: https://i.imgur.com/k7ktjHH.png
[11:01] <marcoagpinto> sorry it look long, I had to copy the .png to dropbox from the 14'' laptop and open it here in the 15,6'' one
[11:07] <dfkqn_> so you should have an english layout on the login screen. is that so?
[11:07] <marcoagpinto> yes
[11:08] <marcoagpinto> but in "pt" it doesn't accept the pass
[11:12] <dfkqn_> what keys do you press to switch gb<->pt on the login screen?
[11:13] <marcoagpinto> I believe I clicked in the "en" at the top right of the screen
[11:13] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:17] <labdoo> بشار
[11:17] <dfkqn_> does your password contain characters outside a-z?
[11:17] <labdoo> بشار
[11:18] <marcoagpinto> dfkqn_: https://i.imgur.com/eAmYnoL.png
[11:18] <OerHeks> hi labdoo, english only plese
[11:18] <OerHeks> c/please
[11:21] <dfkqn_> so you press the shift+/? key to type _, and it doesn't come out?
[11:23] <marcoagpinto> dfkqn_: let me do a test here
[11:24] <marcoagpinto> starting my VM
[11:26] <marcoagpinto> dfkqn_: private
[11:32] <Pharaoh> Hello! My desktop shortcuts post upgrade to 19.04 are all broken. Any idea?
[11:33] <OerHeks> Pharaoh, collaborate please, what shortcuts?
[11:34] <Pharaoh> OerHeks: desktop shortcuts to executables.. e.g. steam.desktop
[11:34] <OerHeks> check if steam is still installed?
[11:34] <Pharaoh> OerHeks. All I see is an editable file with commands ..
[11:35] <OerHeks> i guess not, steam might not survive upgrade
[11:35] <Pharaoh> OerHeks: Yes. That is not the only one broken. This is consistent for all programs
[11:35] <OerHeks> 'yes" as in "yes, i checked and steam is still installed"?
[11:36] <leftyfb> Pharaoh: pick a link on your desktop that points to a program that is installed
[11:37] <Pharaoh> OerHeks: Yes. Here are more posts on the same https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2417196
[11:37] <Pharaoh> leftyfb: ok
[11:37] <leftyfb> Pharaoh: ok, which program has an icon on your desktop that isn't working?
[11:37] <OerHeks> oh, starters/icons *on* your desktop?
[11:38] <OerHeks> gnome 3.22 is picky about this
[11:38] <leftyfb> Pharaoh: the link you posted is a completely different issue than what you are describing
[11:39] <dfkqn_> Pharaoh: you can no longer place .desktop files on the desktop in the newer nautilus
[11:39] <Pharaoh> dfkqn_ : Ahh, thank you!
[11:40] <marcoagpinto> dfkqn_: thank you and everyone for the help
[11:40] <marcoagpinto> dfkqn_ told me what to do in private and it is now working
[11:40] <termuxMuda> Assalamu'alaikum
[11:40] <Pharaoh> leftyfb: sorry, just saw the title.. :(
[11:40] <leftyfb> termuxMuda: we only speak English here
[11:41] <BluesKaj> marcoagpinto, it's too bad you guys didn't share the fix with the chat
[11:41] <leftyfb> marcoagpinto: dfkqn_: that isn't very helpful to anyone else experiencing the same issue
[11:41] <termuxMuda> hallo guys
[11:41] <leftyfb> dfkqn_: please keep support discussion/troubleshooting here where everyone else can see and contribute
[11:42] <leftyfb> termuxMuda: hello. This is a support channel. What can we help you with
[11:42] <marcoagpinto> leftyfb: I couldn't give public details about my password in public
[11:43] <leftyfb> marcoagpinto: that private information is easily redacted
[11:43] <marcoagpinto> what?
[11:43] <leftyfb> marcoagpinto: you can remove private information from logs and configs before you post them
[11:44] <termuxMuda> I want to study here, right?
[11:44] <leftyfb> termuxMuda: no. This is a support channel. Feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics
[11:46] <OerHeks> termuxMuda, you can read and learn from others.
[11:46] <termuxMuda> oh yeah, what can you talk about here?
[11:47] <termuxMuda> OerHeks, Okay, thanks
[12:00] <marcoagpinto> leftyfb: basically, for what I understood, the login screen uses the locale keyboard and some chrs are different in PT->EN
[12:01] <marcoagpinto> so I installed with the GB locale
[12:01] <marcoagpinto> and in PT some chrs were different
[12:01] <marcoagpinto> so, switching between "en" and "pt" in the upper right would produce different symbols
[12:03] <yoyo_> hello
[12:03] <yoyo_> just testing out this IRC chat server for ubuntu developers
[12:03] <yoyo_> I assume no one is on right now?
[12:04] <wonderworld> i am here
[12:04] <yoyo_> great
[12:04] <yoyo_> what is this chat channel for?
[12:05] <CookieM> support for ubuntu, read the topic
[12:05] <yoyo_> Ah, no problem.
[12:05] <yoyo_> Just checking
[12:06] <yoyo_> thanks
[12:17] <goddard> anyway to do whole disk backups on a running system?
[12:18] <silabus> Hi everyone. Am I connected?
[12:18] <goddard> silabus: no
[12:19] <silabus> Good. Just as I planned.
[12:19] <goddard> :D
[12:20] <SrPx> When doing `ssh ubuntu nvcc` I get "nvcc: command not found", but if I do `ssh ubuntu` and then `nvcc`, it works fine. Why?
[12:23] <goddard> SrPx: how did you install?
[12:25] <SrPx> I followed the official tutorial. Just got it to work by using the full path on the ssh command
[12:25] <ChunkzZ> why does Ubuntu 19 say I have "disk OK, 39 bad blocks" but when I check Windows 10, no errors?
[12:27] <goddard> ChunkzZ: because they aren't the same program with the same standards
[12:27] <ChunkzZ> goddard, so which to believe?
[12:27] <goddard> ChunkzZ: linux
[12:28] <goddard> ChunkzZ: get a new drive and back that sucker up
[12:29] <goddard> SrPx: which tutorial can you link it?
[12:29] <SrPx> goddard: I don't remember
[12:30] <ChunkzZ> it IS a new drive goddard :/
[12:30] <SrPx> it has been a while since I did it
[12:30] <goddard> ChunkzZ: maybe you got a bad drive
[12:30] <goddard> ChunkzZ: which program are you using to do this check?
[12:37] <Seveas> SrPx: I'm guessing nvcc is not on the normal $PATH, and only added to the path by something in your .bashrc, which is only read for interactive shells
[12:37] <Seveas> SrPx: to confirm, `ssh ubuntu` and `which nvcc`
[12:38] <SrPx> Seveas: probably was that, I solved it by adding the full path. It is at /usr/local/cuda/bin/nvcc
[12:39] <Seveas> SrPx: yup, that was it :)
[12:43] <gofio> hi there, got a question on xubuntu, should I ask here or in the linux channel :?
[12:44] <none_> Does anyone know how to share my printer with the network? The GUI seems to have changed a lot since 14.04...
[12:45] <BluesKaj> gofio, depends on the question , is it ubuntu related?
[12:47] <gofio> I just suspended the session since it's a live session and still didn't find the way to make it as persistent as possible, so I suspended it, and now when I start the computer again it asks me for user and pass but as far as I know I did not choose any BluesKaj
[12:48] <s3nd1v0g1us>  is 19.04 (dingo) the only update since 18.10 (budgie)?
[12:48] <ryuo> !isitout
[12:48] <BluesKaj> for live session I think it's ubuntu and ubuntu, gofio
[12:50] <gofio> k ty BluesKaj, I suspected something like that but did not know. And btw, it seems I got double login in the channel :-/
[12:51] <gofio> "incorrect password, please try again" BluesKaj :-(
[12:51] <BluesKaj> goddard, maybe the user is admin
[12:51] <BluesKaj> oops, too late
[12:52] <gofio_> gee dunno which is which
[12:52] <BluesKaj> goddard, maybe the user is admin
[12:52] <gofio_> gonna look it up see what I find
[12:53] <gofio_> tried user admin and pass ubuntu, but nope
[12:54] <pragmaticenigma> gofio_: There is no password, it is blank
[12:54] <BluesKaj> try user pass empty
[12:55] <gofio_> what about the user pragmaticenigma? tried both blank as well but nothing
[12:55] <pragmaticenigma> gofio_: Username: ubuntu
[12:55] <gofio_> I'm checking at askubuntu but as far as I could get now did not find the answer yet
[12:55] <pragmaticenigma> gofio_: https://askubuntu.com/a/201931
[12:56] <gofio_> user: ubuntu, pass: "blank", nothing
[12:56] <alkisg> Hi all, is the "linux-generic-hwe-18.04-edge" package supposed to give bionic users the 5.0 kernel in the near future? Or that will happen with 18.04.3 in the summer?
[12:57] <gofio_> k there u go pragmaticenigma thanks! xubuntu as user and blank as pass
[12:57] <gofio_> now for the persistent live session should I ask here or at the linux channel better?
[12:58] <pragmaticenigma> !persistance
[12:58] <pragmaticenigma> !persistent | gofio_
[12:59] <gofio_> yeap read already those links pragmaticenigma but I'm having a hard time about it
[12:59] <pragmaticenigma> !hwe
[12:59] <alkisg> pragmaticenigma: this page unfortunately doesn't mention the -edge package
[13:00]  * alkisg tries in #ubuntu-kernel...
[13:00] <pragmaticenigma> alkisg: Do not cross post
[13:01] <alkisg> pragmaticenigma: no worries, i can stop this channel and move to the next one
[13:01]  * alkisg is constantly amazed  at how strict some people are in irc...
[13:01] <pragmaticenigma> alkisg: That is not what I said... you asked here... wait for an answer. Please have patience as we are volunteers
[13:01] <gofio_> most of the persistent methods I've read/seen about are before burning the iso into the pendrive but mine its already burned, and dunno if now can make the partition with gparted and that would work the same pragmaticenigma
[13:01] <alkisg> pragmaticenigma: thank you,I'm an ubuntu developer, online in IRC 12 hours per day man
[13:02] <alkisg> When one realizes that some other channel may be more appropriate, it's not that big a deal to move there
[13:02] <BluesKaj> alkisg, then you know the rules :-)
[13:02] <alkisg> Sure :)
[13:03] <gofio_> u could move to #dualboot alkisg :-) there's lot of room :-D
[13:04] <alkisg> :D
[13:05] <alkisg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe-edge says it's in proposed btw, so I guess it'll arrive sooner than 18.04.3...
[13:05] <pragmaticenigma> gofio_: If the instructions on the persitant USB page are not working for you, then either the drive is faulty or you missed a step. There are multiple approaches laid out on that page. The main thing is the drive has to be made persistent at the time you make the drive.
[13:08] <__Myst__> How can I make a systemd user service run as root?
[13:08] <__Myst__> Or do I just want a non-user service?
[13:09] <pragmaticenigma> __Myst__: You'll need to provide more information on what you're trying to do and what your end goal is.
[13:10] <__Myst__> I'm trying to create a systemd service to run a shell script as root
[13:10] <__Myst__> that's really all there is to it
[13:11] <__Myst__> i need root access to access the usb drivers
[13:11] <pragmaticenigma> __Myst__: none of what you are saying is making any sense...
[13:11] <__Myst__> pragmaticenigma: how is it not making sense?
[13:12] <__Myst__> i need to access /dev/bus/usb in my shell script
[13:12] <__Myst__> only root has this power
[13:12] <__Myst__> so, i need to run the systemd service as root
[13:12] <alkisg> __Myst__: and why can't that be a normal systemd system unit, instead of a user one? Do you need access to the session?
[13:13] <__Myst__> alkisg: i'm a total newb to systemd, i thought user units where just user-created units
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> __Myst__: that's not accessing a driver, that's accessing a device. There is a big difference there. That's why you need to explain in better detail what you're trying to accomplish
[13:13] <alkisg> __Myst__: system units = root = things for system. user units = user = things for the session. What is your unit targetting, system things or session things?
[13:14] <pragmaticenigma> I think knowing __Myst__ end goal is rather important, because if it what I suspect it is, there is an easier way
[13:15] <gofio> there it goes my daily wifi disconnection
[13:15] <__Myst__> pragmaticenigma: the script isn't acutally mine
[13:15] <__Myst__> it's just a script that sends a payload over usb
[13:15] <__Myst__> this is for nintendo switch hacking
[13:16] <frnabh> hi
[13:16] <__Myst__> alkisg: i guess it's a system thing
[13:16] <__Myst__> not really a session thing
[13:16] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | __Myst__
[13:16] <__Myst__> pragmaticenigma: sorry
[13:16] <frnabh> anyone recalls name of a terminal prompt which improves linux terminal to show info such as git etc? it starts with L
[13:16] <__Myst__> liquidprompt
[13:16] <frnabh> right! Thanks.
[13:16] <frnabh> was searching all day.
[13:17] <__Myst__> np
[13:17] <__Myst__> hmm, i got it to run as a service but for whatever reason it's not using regular python?
[13:18] <alkisg> It's using the system path, so if you have a local installation in /home/username, it won't use that one
[13:19] <__Myst__> well it's using /usr/bin/python3 (as systemctl status tells me); but it's not finding a module that is installed
[13:19] <__Myst__> /usr/bin/python3 -c 'import usb'  # totally fine
[13:20] <alkisg> Try sudo -i, and then python3 -c 'import usb'
[13:21] <__Myst__> oh that doesn't work
[13:21] <__Myst__> odd
[13:21] <alkisg> Maybe you installed "usb" under /home/username
[13:21] <__Myst__> oh of course i installed it as --user
[13:22] <gofio> I understand wine program is not an ubuntu question pragmaticenigma, is it?
[13:23] <BluesKaj> !wine | gofio
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> gofio: It is best to ask the question, if it's not on topic for this channel, someone can direct you to a better resource
[13:25] <__Myst__> is there any way to get a systemd service to run when a particular usb device is inserted?
[13:25] <__Myst__> i know vendor and product id
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> __Myst__: The proper way is to attach an event to Udev when a drive is inserted
[13:28] <gofio> oOK pragmaticenigma thanks! then I have an ubuntu question, only ubuntu, about the installation process. I'm at the installation type point here: https://i.imgur.com/XY1wegN.jpg and here https://i.imgur.com/6ZUl2kW.jpg , and my question is I don't want to erase everything in the hard disk, and the other system installed is windows 7 even though it does not recognize it. What would be my next step? in order to install xubuntu 18.04
[13:31] <pragmaticenigma> gofio: I'm not very familiar with dual booting machines. If the installer is not finding windows, it is possibly because Windows is using Bitlocker; you're attempting to install on a machine with EFI enabled, but not using EFI for the installer; or something else. I'd recommend at this moment to stop. And back up your harddrive using something like clonezilla... in case you accidentally wipe out your harddrive. you can then
[13:31] <pragmaticenigma> recover it
[13:32] <ph88^> after dist-upgrade all my 3rd party repositories were enabled. Is there a script that will check if they can be upgraded to the new release and also tell me which repositories don't have support for the new release ?
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> ph88^: PPA support has to come from the maintainer of the PPA. There is no generic script to verify.
[13:34] <gofio> xactly that's the thing pragmaticenigma , that I'm stuck at this point and since it is neither an ubuntu nor windows issue, or so they say both, I'm in the middle of nowhere
[13:34] <__Myst__> pragmaticenigma: how do you do that?
[13:35] <leftyfb> ph88^: in order to upgrade to a newer release of ubuntu, you should be disabling all PPA's and removing their packages before upgrading
[13:35] <pragmaticenigma> gofio: First start with backing up the harddrive... that's where my focus would be right now. And verify the backup! nothing worse than making that backup to find out your data is gone
[13:41] <gofio> yeap you'r right pragmaticenigma about the back up even though at this point that's not really my priority, but ok let say I back all the stuff, then what. Reinstall again windows and later ubuntu? I need windows to be installed, at least till I find I can open everything fine with wine, which I haven't done yet since I've been using ubuntu 17.10 so far and I couldn't
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> gofio: Well... there's the first problem.. Ubuntu 17.10 is EOL, and not supported. 19.04 is the most recent regular release and 18.04 is the latest LTS (long term) release.
[13:43] <gofio> I'm installing wine on xubuntu 18.04 to see how it goes but is on a live session that still didn't find the way to make it as persistant as possible
[13:43] <gofio> yeap that's why now going for xubuntu 18.04
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> gofio: The first step is still... backing things up... I'm not personally going to offer anything more until you have done that. Getting a head of yourself is how mistakes happen, and how you lose important data and files
[13:50] <gofio> k pragmaticenigma, say I backed it up everything now. What's next?
[13:51] <pragmaticenigma> gofio: I know you didn't because you're not paying attention
[13:51] <gofio> please don't tell what I'm doing or not, please
[13:53] <unimatrix9> i have got this strange plymouthd crash everytime at boot ( 18.04.2 LTS )
[13:53] <Icefoz_> I have a somewhat silly question...  how does /etc/network/interfaces actually get read on 18.04?  What program loads it and sets the network settings from it?
[13:53] <leftyfb> Icefoz_: a fresh install of 18.04 does not use /etc/network/interfaces by default
[13:54] <Icefoz_> Hmmmm, something is loading it though.  I'm working with a system and someone added an /etc/network/interfaces and it appears to be getting loaded.
[13:54] <pragmaticenigma> gofio: I said something earlier that you clearly didn't pay attention to... so best of luck
[13:55] <leftyfb> Icefoz_: then someone installed ifupdown on said machine
[13:55] <gofio> basically to make a back up. What did I miss
[13:55] <Icefoz_> Hmmmm, all right, I'll check that out.
[13:55] <Icefoz_> I'm trying to migrate everything to systemd-networkd, netplan, or whatever else makes life simplest.
[13:56] <unimatrix9> let me try something,  i will be back ;)
[13:56] <unimatrix9> sudo chown -R : /sbin/plymouthd
[13:56] <pragmaticenigma> from about 30 minutes ago: gofio: I'm not very familiar with dual booting machines.
[13:56] <gofio> I did read that
[13:56] <BluesKaj> there's predicting what will happen with backup, you haver to do it and check afterwards to make sure the backup is succesful. then come back for more instructions, gofio
[13:57] <Icefoz_> Ah, and ifupdown has scripts to hook into systemd and udev.  Thank you leftyfb!
[13:57] <BluesKaj> no predicting
[13:57] <gofio> and I'm saying, the back has been succesful. What's next. Whose back up it is, mine, or somebody else's ¿?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> youre saying , but it doesn't sound to me like t=your doing
[14:00] <pragmaticenigma> gofio: This isn't our first rodeo, and the last thing we want to see here is you in a panic or rage about having lost all your data. You're being helped by people with many years of experience. Myself over 20 years. I've learned these lessons the hard way. We don't want to see you learn that way too.
[14:01] <gofio> that's fine BluesKaj, but why u care, u know what I mean, at the end of the day it's my data, isn't it. If this was an organization or something I'd not say anything, but as far as I'm concerned it is not, so, if anything goes wrong I'm gonna pay the consecuences, and promise I would not come back, so, free risk at ur end
[14:01] <gofio> now who is anticipating events pragmaticenigma ;-)
[14:01] <BluesKaj> then we have toget you out of another jam because you don't follow suggestions
[14:02] <gofio> U don't know how much I do appreciate ur concern pragmaticenigma, but proll I do have more scars than u. And again, I really apreciate ur concerns
[14:02] <BluesKaj> so you didn't learn from your scars obviously
[14:03] <gofio> I do follow suggstions otherwise I would not be here, with a fresh install of xubuntu 18.04 BluesKaj, thing is, the map is not the territory, if u know what that means
[14:03] <pragmaticenigma> gofio: If you want our help, then you need to follow along. As for your WINE issue, if your applications aren't listed here, you have a 50/50 chance of them working. https://appdb.winehq.org/
[14:03] <pragmaticenigma> gofio: To test applications compatibility... perhaps you should install Xubuntu into a virtual machine and try there first.
[14:04] <gofio> thanks pragmaticenigma will check that out, appreciated
[14:04] <pragmaticenigma> gofio: A virtual machine won't replace running the system on the hardware directly, but it's a much safer route to take for testing things out that you are unsure of. Virtual Box is free and an excellent environment for testing in.
[14:06] <gofio> not all scars have to give a lesson u learn from BluesKaj, as u must know sometimes sh1t happens, as the saying goes
[14:06] <JimBuntu> !language gofio
[14:08] <gofio> now I gotta find the way to make my live session more persistent than just suspend it as I'm doing now cuz everything u're telling me pragmaticenigma I'm doing it from there, not from the computer I'm typing at the moment. I do have a live session with xubuntu 18.04, and this installed ubuntu 17.10 I'm writing from, on a partition and windows dual boot, that will upgrade to 18.04 as soon as I can, which right now seems a long shot
[14:09] <gofio> btw a live session I would not have, nor have could loged into it again, if did not follow BluesKaj ;-)
[14:11] <empedokles78> Anybody using pgadmin4 on ubuntu (not yet in the official repo)?
[14:12] <gofio> about the wine issue pragmaticenigma I had it with ubuntu 17.10 8and for I searched it wasn't only me) but now I'm installing it in the xubuntu 18.04 and everything so far seems to go fine. With ubuntu 17.10 it was a hard time even for the install
[14:13] <BluesKaj> empedokles78, pgadmin4 is not avaialble in the repos, only pgadmin3
[14:14] <empedokles78> BluesKaj, yeah, but this is legacy according to folks on postgresql.
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | empedokles78
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> empedokles78: The version provided in the package repositories is tested and verified to work with the version of postgre that is also provided in the package repository
[14:15] <tomreyn> it's in universe, so community supported.
[14:16] <empedokles78> tomreyn, pgadmin3?
[14:16] <tomreyn> yes
[14:17] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: They were asking about pgadmin4
[14:17] <tomreyn> well that's not. :)
[14:17] <empedokles78> Is it a major risk to add the apt repo from postgresql? ;)
[14:18] <tomreyn> probably not, but you will need to decide.
[14:19] <pragmaticenigma> empedokles78: The focus of this channel is for the official package repositories included for official flavors of Ubuntu. Adding PPAs is at your own risk, and you are encouraged to seek help from the maintainer of that PPA when you encounter issues
[14:21] <gofio> all this time now pragmaticenigma it's taking for wine to install in the xubuntu 18.04 live session (currently at 24%) so it takes time, thing is, as long as I can't make the session persistant, which I know to a point it can be done, but yesteday or better said a few hours ago, OerHeks was saying, or I should check the logs, nothing could be saved, which even though it can be true, does not mean I canmake the session as persistent as possible, to the point
[14:21] <gofio> suggesting if I was trolling. So, u know. Not all sugestions are the same. Most persistant stuff I find is for before the iso installation, which I did not. Followed a sugestion as well. And worked out as all I needed at that moment more than anything was trying if I could gt the machine back running, as it wasn't at that moment. So, u see, I follow what I'm told, but I'm not a sheep, even though sometimes maybe it'd be better I was. Could sell my wool
[14:22] <OerHeks> gofio, if you create a persistent part, does not mean wine will stay installed, just the downloads are saved.
[14:22] <gofio> that's enough for me OerHeks
[14:23] <gofio> it takes a while for me just to do that
[14:23] <OerHeks> and you will need to instll / run it again after *each* boot
[14:23] <gofio> that's better than doing all that, plus the download
[14:23] <OerHeks> gofio, oke, just saying to prevent disappointments
[14:23] <gofio> if everything went well I'd only need to do it once
[14:24] <seanh> Anyone know how to install Python 3.6 on Ubuntu 18.10? It seems it's not available in apt -- only Python 3.7 and 3.8 are there
[14:25] <CarlFK> I need a command that sends data to stdout to test some logging stuff.  any suggestions?
[14:25] <gofio> and I appreciate that OerHeks and understand it, but again, my dissapointment level is way way far away, it's all gratitude what I have here. Too many wrecks, already dead, no worries
[14:26] <pragmaticenigma> seanh: Ubuntu 18.10 is rapidly approaching EOL, you might want to consider upgrading to Ubuntu 19.04 with has Python 3.7 available
[14:26] <pragmaticenigma> seanh: OOps... I see you're trying to downgrade
[14:26] <seanh> Sorry, I meant 19.10
[14:26] <seanh> The problem is I need Python 3.6 not 3.7 or 3.8
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> seanh: What is in 3.6 that is not available in 3.7 and above?
[14:27] <truck-kun> seanh: pyenv
[14:27] <truck-kun> seanh: or make a deb using altinstall
[14:27] <gofio> so now I have installed wine 4.0 in the xubuntu 18.04 live session, see what I can do with windows files since I have access to them, try to make the recovery disk from there. If I had the product key, wich is oem or however splt, and can't talk to my vendor as we're in the middle of eastern, eveything would bemuch easier. but is not. Giv or take, that's life, no worries
[14:27] <truck-kun> or deadsnakes
[14:27] <truck-kun> seanh: but really, pyenv is usually the best choice
[14:28] <seanh> Hmm, I'll check out pyenv thanks
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> seanh: while truck-kun means well... none of those solutions address your need of a specific version of python
[14:30] <truck-kun> pragmaticenigma: wrong
[14:30] <truck-kun> pragmaticenigma: that is exactly what pyenv was made for
[14:30] <CarlFK> derp stderr.  I need a test stderr.
[14:30] <truck-kun> pragmaticenigma: also if you roll your own deb you can build whatever version you want
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> truck-kun: That isn't what they were asking for. And to use those tools would require the version of python to be available in the system already, which they don't have. You're answers are incomplete
[14:31] <seanh> My use-case is that as a developer I need to run certain projects I'm developing for with 3.6 as the projects require 3.6. Others require 2.7. Others require 3.7. So I need to be able to install different versions of Python
[14:31] <truck-kun> uhm, neither of those requires that
[14:32] <truck-kun> pragmaticenigma: pyenv is not pyvenv
[14:32] <truck-kun> https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv  it builds from source, in $HOME (or wherever you tell it to)
[14:32] <gofio> if I make a partition with gparted in the pendrive I'm using for the live session in xubuntu 18.04, will that alter anything for next session? hope that's an ubuntu question
[14:33] <lordcirth_> gofio, isn't the Live USB just an ISO9660 fs? You wouldn't be able to add a partition?
[14:34] <truck-kun> and of course if you make your own deb...
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> truck-kun: can we keep discussions for #ubuntu-discuss please
[14:35] <gofio> that's why asking lotuspsychje. Actually just opened gparted and I'd say itdoes not recognize the pendrive?
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> truck-kun: Also, building from source is not supported in this channel. Focus is on the available packages from the official Ubuntu repositories for official Ubuntu flavors. pyenv is not a supported package found there.
[14:36] <OerHeks> trun*if* you need python 3.6.x, roll back to Bionic 18.04 LTS
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> gofio: i wasnt talking with you?
[14:36] <gofio> but it does recognize the partition I made from windows in the hard drive to install there ubuntu 18.04. Why can't I just install xubuntu there lotuspsychje ?
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: that wasn't the original help requestor
[14:37] <gofio> oops sorry lotuspsychje I meant lordcirth_
[14:37] <lordcirth_> gofio, why do you want to add a partition?
[14:38] <gofio> in the pendirve lordcirth_ ?
[14:38] <gofio> pendrive
[14:38] <lordcirth_> gofio, yes
[14:38] <gofio> so I can save stuff in there
[14:38] <gofio> it's a 60g drive
[14:39] <lordcirth_> gofio, Ok. What you may want to do is install Ubuntu normally to that drive, rather than just the installer.
[14:39] <gofio> tried yesterday and made two partitions each with one iso but it did not work, once installed the live session it took it all
[14:39] <gofio> can I do that in a pendrive lordcirth_ ?
[14:40] <lordcirth_> gofio, all block devices are just block devices :) Doesn't matter what kind of drive it is.
[14:40] <lordcirth_> But, you will need to boot the installer from one drive and install it to the other, so you may need another USB drive.
[14:40] <gofio> but from the same pendrive I'm running the live session from? k, we were writing the same at the same time
[14:41] <lordcirth_> Yeah, you can't really re-write in place
[14:41] <gofio> yeap that's the thing can't find another usb I had
[14:41] <lordcirth_> (Ok it's technically possible, but there's no way I'm running you through that_)
[14:41] <gofio> been there done that and now I makee the t-shirts, literally. Just kidding
[14:42] <gofio> understand lordcirth_
[14:42] <lordcirth_> gofio, do you have an Ubuntu machine available?
[14:42] <gofio> what about installing xubuntu in the partition gparted is showin me in the computer hard disk?
[14:42] <lordcirth_> gofio, what about it?
[14:43] <gofio> yes if u mean available one with a xubuntu 18.04 live session and the one I'm writing from with ubuntu 17.10 already installed
[14:43] <lordcirth_> From a running Ubuntu machine, you can also use debootstrap to install Ubuntu to another drive. It's a bit more work though
[14:43] <gofio> right now I have time work would not matter
[14:44] <gofio> I'd go to the install in the pendrive right away if I could
[14:44] <gofio> that way I'd resolve the persistance thing
[14:45] <OerHeks> 17.10 ie EOL, dead, no use of keeping that
[14:45] <OerHeks> c/is
[14:45] <gofio> gonna take a pic of what gparted is showing me of the hard disk of the computer I'm running the live session on
[14:45] <lordcirth_> gofio, might be easier to pastebin 'fdisk -l'
[14:46] <gofio> I know OerHeks I know, reason why I keep it is because I already have it installed and working, and will upgrade when I have xubuntu 18.04 installed in the other computer
[14:46] <gofio> k, let me do that lordcirth_ , thanks
[14:47] <lordcirth_> gofio, after it's working, you'll want to set snappiness to 0 or disable swap entirely to avoid wearing out the drive.
[14:48] <gofio> oh boy now the keyboard got the wrong configuration and - is giving me / gee...
[14:48] <Eickmeyer> lordcirth_: s/snappiness/swappiness
[14:48] <lordcirth_> lol, yes
[14:48] <Eickmeyer> :)
[14:51] <gofio> can't find keeyboard on screen, swear I saw it yesterday
[14:53] <Eickmeyer> gofio: In xubuntu? Search the menu for "onboard".
[14:54] <benishor> hi there. quick question: I recently upgraded to 19.04 and all is nice except for the fact that I get the files from ~/Desktop shown on desktop. I installed the system fresh from an usb stick but I kept my /home on a different drive
[14:54] <benishor> how can I hide the icons shown on the desktop?
[14:54] <gofio> onboard settings Eickmeyer ?
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> benishor: gnome-tweak-tool
[14:54] <gofio> yes, xubuntu
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> benishor: Or move the files to a folder other than ~/Desktop
[14:55] <Eickmeyer> benishor: Install gnome-tweaks (if not alreayd installed) and check the extensions for Ubuntu Desktop Icons.
[14:55] <lordcirth_> gofio, no, just 'onboard'
[14:55] <gofio> k, got it Eickmeyer thanks!
[14:55] <Eickmeyer> gofio: np
[14:55] <benishor> lotuspsychje: , Eickmeyer tried both
[14:55] <benishor> no cigar
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> benishor: second tab/desktop/enable-disable icons
[14:56] <gofio> permission denied lordcirth_ for the fdisk -l
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> lotuspsychje: That doesn't work under 19.04 since it's an extension now.
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> benishor: Did you check the extensions tab?
[14:56] <lordcirth_> gofio, reading disks requires root. Run it with sudo.
[14:56] <benishor> Eickmeyer: yes, I disabled the "Desktop icons" extension
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> benishor: Might require a log-out and log-in.
[14:57] <gofio> k, got it, thanks lordcirth_ ! what I do now with the result?
[14:57] <lordcirth_> !paste
[14:57] <gofio> yeap pretty much says the same as gparted shows
[14:57] <lordcirth_> gofio, fdisk -l <drive> | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:59] <benishor> ok, so I relogged but nothing changed
[14:59] <gofio> sorry lordcirth_ I'm way slow atm, I did something like that yesterday but now I'm a bit lost, what should I put in that <drive> space?
[14:59] <benishor> anyone has a clue about what the mechanism is?
[14:59] <lordcirth_> gofio, whatever drive you wanted to look at. Like /dev/sda
[14:59] <benishor> first of all, what piece of software is running on the desktop when showing icons?
[15:00] <gofio> on the terminal lordcirth_ isn't it
[15:00] <Eickmeyer> benishor: Prior to 19.04, it was nautilus. 19.04 onwards it's the extension, which means gnome-shell is doing it.
[15:00] <lordcirth_> gofio, well yes.
[15:00] <gofio> with the sudo, isn't it
[15:00] <benishor> Eickmeyer: funny thing is that I manage to change the desktop icons size from gnome-tweaks
[15:01] <benishor> but I can't seem to disable the "show the personal folder in the desktop"
[15:01] <benishor> where are those settings kept exactly?
[15:01] <Eickmeyer> benishor: Try "killall -9 nautilus" and see what happens.
[15:01] <Eickmeyer> benishor: In dconf, but I wouldn't know which one exactly.
[15:02] <OerHeks> benishor, those options are gone with gnome 3.22 AFAIK
[15:02] <benishor> ➜  ~ killall -9 nautilus
[15:02] <benishor> nautilus: no process found
[15:02] <gofio> dunno where to find that | symbol lordcirth_ :_(
[15:02] <lordcirth_> gofio, you literally just typed it here?
[15:02] <gofio> in the other computer I mean
[15:03] <lordcirth_> gofio, why, is it a different keyboard layout?
[15:03] <gofio> I have two computers side by side right now
[15:03] <gofio> yeap, here I just copied pasted urs lordcirth_
[15:03] <benishor> ➜  ~ dconf dump /org/gnome/shell/extensions/desktop-icons/
[15:03] <benishor> [/]
[15:03] <benishor> icon-size='small'
[15:04] <benishor> show-home=false
[15:04] <benishor> can you guys please let me know what key I'm missing?
[15:04] <lordcirth_> gofio, oh, well the pipe is above the backslash, above enter
[15:04] <gofio> I'm onboard right now in the one I have to type that comand in the terminal. That's why the screen shot
[15:04] <benishor> the one that tells whether to show desktop icons or not
[15:04] <Eickmeyer> !paste | benishor
[15:04] <seanh> truck-kun: pyenv was what I needed, thanks
[15:04] <benishor> Eickmeyer: thank you and sorry for the paste
[15:05] <Eickmeyer> benishor: Stand by, it might be a separate setting if you're in the Ubuntu session (I'm not currently).
[15:06] <gofio> could not find it yet in the onboard keyboard lordcirth_  but I'm trying
[15:07] <lordcirth_> gofio, shift + \
[15:07] <gofio> k, found it
[15:08] <gofio> I have it in this one in my keyboard Çç}
[15:09] <Eickmeyer> benishor: I see, as I just tried to do the same thing. You might have to install vanilla-gnome-desktop as a workaround. It appears to be hard-coded in the Ubuntu session.
[15:09] <Eickmeyer> benishor: You'd install that, log out, then log back in. From there you'd have full control over the extensions.
[15:10] <Eickmeyer> benishor: Also, please file a bug report against the "ubuntu-session" package.
[15:10] <Eickmeyer> !bug | benishor
[15:11] <Eickmeyer> Paste the bug report number here and I'll confirm it.
[15:12] <benishor> 10x Eickmeyer
[15:12] <gofio> bash: syntax rror near unexpected token lordcirth_
[15:12] <gofio> error
[15:13] <gofio> did it without the symbol and tells me /dev/sda: permission denied lordcirth_
[15:13] <Eickmeyer> benishor: I forgot, make sure you choose the "Gnome on Xorg" session at login.
[15:13] <gofio> gonna take a screenshot anyways
[15:14] <ioria> benishor, or just remove nautilus and use nemo (you need anyways to make some tweaks in gsettings)
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> ioria: The point is he doesn't want icons on the desktop.
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> ioria: Also, they have 19.04, and the icons aren't handled by nautilus anymore.
[15:19] <benishor> I used the following workaround: moved everything from ~/Desktop in another folder and disabled the extension
[15:19] <benishor> that seems to work for now
[15:19] <ioria> Eickmeyer, not sure what you mean, i installed nemo and i have no icons on my Desktop (19.04)ù
[15:19] <Eickmeyer> benishor: Okay, if that works, then cool.
[15:20] <benishor> thing is the behaviour of showing everything from ~Desktop is somewhere hardcoded
[15:20] <gofio> this is what I see from gparted lordcirth_  https://i.imgur.com/GL97Hin.jpg hope it helps
[15:20] <Eickmeyer> benishor: Agreed, hence the bug report needed.
[15:20] <Exterminador2> hello guys. my HDD partitions seems a bit odd. :X is there a way i can merge all unallocated space into one partition via command line? the current partition tree is as in here http://i.imgur.com/jFZ9EOi.png
[15:21] <gofio> the label "discolinux"is the partition I had made from windows to install ubuntu there lordcirth_
[15:23] <tomreyn> Exterminador2: just ignore the unallocated 1 MB parts, and optionally grow sdb5
[15:25] <tomreyn> Exterminador2: and when you have a spare storage, create a gpt partition table (instead of this msdos) there,  a single partition for linux, lvm on top, and then logical volumes for what is currently onthe linux partitions.
[15:25] <Exterminador2> tomreyn: is there a way to order all the partitions? I didn't wan to have all that "unallocated" space between them
[15:25] <gofio> should I format to nfts or fat or linux-swap to install ubuntu?
[15:26] <tomreyn> not without copying stuff to other storages at least temporarily
[15:27] <tomreyn> the msdos partition table is too inflexible, gpt is better, and gpt with lvm grants the most flexibility
[15:27] <Exterminador2> I'm just concerned with /dev/sdb1,2,3
[15:27] <tomreyn> why?
[15:28] <compdoc> I think you should use GPT on large drives too
[15:29] <lordcirth_> gofio, ok, and what was it you wanted to do, again?
[15:29] <Exterminador2> well, /dev/sdb1,2 are the Windows partitions as it can be seen and /dev/sdb3 is my Xubuntu one. I'm using live USB right now tho
[15:30] <gofio> I want to install ubuntu in that partition of the hard disk that's labeled "discolinux" lordcirth_
[15:30] <lordcirth_> gofio, ok, and what problem are you having when trying to do so?
[15:31] <gofio> which I'm about to try format since it's empty from gparted see what happens
[15:31] <benishor> Eickmeyer: one more question, please. is there a way to revert the application switcher behaviour to the previous one which did grouping?
[15:32] <gofio> the problem is when going thru the install process at the installation type point, It doesn't show as it shows gparted in the screenshot I posted so I'm confused onto where to install at that point. I do have a screenshot of that as well, one second
[15:33] <gofio> this is lordcirth_  https://i.imgur.com/6ZUl2kW.jpg
[15:33] <gofio> that's what I see from the installation type
[15:33] <lordcirth_> gofio, I see a /dev/sda3 on both.
[15:34] <lordcirth_> And they look like the same size.
[15:34] <OerHeks> gofio, ofcourse ubuntu installer does not see that disco partition, remove it, and xubuntu will see the free space, have fun!
[15:34] <Exterminador> dang.. my router is having some issues..
[15:34] <gofio> the one that says "unknown", right? lordcirth_
[15:35] <lordcirth_> gofio, yes, you can select it, Change, select 'use as /' and go.
[15:35] <gofio> oh I see...but...hmmmm, that's the whole hard disk...and it's labeled as the partition I did....so, wtf happened
[15:36] <lordcirth_> gofio, what do you mean it's the whole disk?
[15:36] <Exterminador> tomreyn: so, how would I make all those weirdly done partitions to be in order and without any unallocated space ?
[15:36] <gofio> yeap the entire hard disk of the computer which has like 500g
[15:37] <gofio> thing is already went thru this with ubuntu 14.04 but aborted before finishing and since then all it's fkd
[15:37] <lordcirth_> gofio, well, it looks like you had a Windows install which you overwrote. If you don't need all that anymore, you can probably overwrite all of it.
[15:37] <gofio> that's the thing lordcirth_  that I'd need it :-(
[15:37] <Exterminador> I don't really care if Windows is blown up tho. my major and truly concern is /dev/sdb3 where my "work" Xubuntu is living
[15:38] <gofio> what about the recovery part lordcirth_ will that be the recovery from windows?
[15:38] <lordcirth_> gofio, well, you already overwrote your main Windows partition with this 'discolinux' partition.
[15:39] <OerHeks> sda4 ext4 .. seems no longer being windows recovery...
[15:39] <gofio> overwrote it while trying to install ubuntu, wasn't it? I mean, I made the partition while in windows, which was kinda a pain, and when finally was done I checked it and everything was fine, it was recognized in every case
[15:40] <gofio> that's the thing OerHeks  that where it says "recovery" by th size of it, it should be more the "discolinux" partition I made
[15:41] <gofio> that is, where it says "discolinux" it should be windows, and where it says "recovery" it should be "discolinux", just by the size of them
[15:41] <lordcirth_> gofio, it seems you overwrote it ages ago, and you should probably reinstall Windows, making a smaller partition from the beginning, then dual-boot.
[15:41] <gofio> it was a few weeks ago yes
[15:42] <OerHeks> so you made a mess of the hdd .. time to reinstall windows 7 and try to install fresh xubuntu alongside
[15:42] <gofio> where u suggst I should make the partition from lordcirth_ ?
[15:42] <OerHeks> this is not worth the energy
[15:42] <gofio> a total mess OerHeks
[15:42] <lordcirth_> gofio, the windows installer, probably.
[15:43] <gofio> cuz when going for the install I did not see clearly which partition was each. Should have let ubuntu done it as I did when installing ubuntu 17.10 in this computer but I read was better doing the partition first from windows
[15:45] <OerHeks> gofio, next time, just leave the freespace unpartitioned
[15:45] <gofio> thing is now I can access every windows file i had from the live session
[15:45] <gofio> that's what I should have done OerHeks no doubt
[15:47] <gofio> I once bought the windows 8 upgrade on cd format and neveer used it, gonna try find it see what happens
[15:47] <OerHeks> gofio, interesting, but offtopic for this channel
[15:48] <tomreyn> Exterminador: if you are really concerned aybout those 1 MB pieces of unallocated storage (which may just be a result of partition alignment), make sure you have current backups, then grow sdb3 in both directions.
[15:49] <tomreyn> Exterminador: when you do, it may get a new uuid, check /etc/fstab against blkid, and update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -u
[15:50] <tomreyn> Exterminador: you could probably also move the data from sdb5 to sdb3 (both are ext4 file systems) by just using mv
[15:51] <Exterminador> tomreyn: GParted doesn't allow me to grow the sdb3 partition in any direction tho
[15:51] <tomreyn> then you could delete sdb5 and the extended area (sdb4)
[15:51] <lella90> I installed Lubuntu 18.04 LTS and was sad to see there is no guest session. Is there a way to put it back? DEVELOPERS PLEASE KEEP GUEST SESSION (it's very useful!!)
[15:51] <tomreyn> Exterminador: probably for good reasons then ;-)
[15:51] <tomreyn> maybe you have it mounted?
[15:52] <Exterminador> I'm using the live USB, so I think it's unmounted?
[15:52] <tomreyn> "mount | grep sdb" may tell
[15:53] <tomreyn> but it's likely some other reson then, such as alignment
[15:53] <tomreyn> i wont spend more time on 2 MB
[15:53] <lordcirth_> lella90, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/guest-sessions-in-18-04-lts-are-they-needed/1714 this may be relevant
[15:53] <OerHeks> lella90, install lightdm, "sudo apt install lightdm ; # be sure to choose lightdm as the default"  and you can enable guest session https://askubuntu.com/a/1112356
[15:54] <lella90> THanks :)
[15:54] <gofio> where can I see the CD drive in xubuntu 18.04 :?
[15:55] <Exterminador> tomreyn: okay. the problem right now is that I want to shrink the windows partition (currently with 288Gb) to 150Gb with Windows Disk Management. but then I'd like to know if there's a way to move/merge that unallocated space with /dev/sdb5
[15:57] <tomreyn> Exterminador: consider sdb4 a compartment, you can't move whole partitions into or out of it.
[15:58] <tomreyn> one of the main reasons why msdos partition tables are annoying
[15:58] <OerHeks> gofio, in your filemanager, thunar iirc
[15:58] <Exterminador> unfortunately I can't do nothing about that now :/
[15:59] <gofio> can't find it OerHeks :-(
[15:59] <leftyfb> gofio: do you have a CD in your drive?
[15:59] <gofio> yes
[16:00] <gofio> I'd like to explore it
[16:01] <gofio> so it seems I overwrote the windows os with linux tomreyn (from yesterday's issues...)
[16:02] <gofio> as now fdisk tells me it's linux
[16:03] <OerHeks> if one inserts a dvd in the drive, it should be visible in the left colomn
[16:04] <OerHeks> and yes, we found out you messed those partitions up, badly
[16:04] <NoImNotNineVolt> so, if i install chrony, how do i get it to actually update my system clock to match the ntp clock?
[16:05] <NoImNotNineVolt> $ chronyc tracking | grep System
[16:05] <NoImNotNineVolt> System time     : 228.977798462 seconds fast of NTP time
[16:05] <gofio> gonna check out testdisk see what I find
[16:05] <NoImNotNineVolt> ah, nm, it's slowly approaching 0.
[16:06] <gofio> and bootsectorfix
[16:08] <konrados> Hello. I had some issues with my usb camera, thought it might be because of suspending it, so without much thought I did what I found in the internets: `echo 2 | sudo tee /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend >/dev/null` - now... I'm not really sure what I did, because I did not think about making a backup of those files.
[16:08] <konrados> I do a regular daily backup of everything, except... /sys directory. And I just don't know what was the previous state :(
[16:09] <konrados> I have a feeling that my usb drive should stop spinning when not in use, but it doesn't want to stop, and now I'm not even sure if this is what is used to be in the past :)
[16:10] <gofio> how do I know what my partition table type is? that is, intel or efi gpt :?
[16:10] <konrados> I *did* do `cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend` and I *think* it was full of zeros, but that was before getting a coffee and not sure of that too, I was pretty sure I have backups....
[16:13] <gofio> k, from gparted
[16:15] <leftyfb> konrados: /sys is a dynamic sysfs. Reboot and any changes you made to it will be gone
[16:16] <konrados> leftyfb, thank you!!! That's so cool. BTW, this also means that making a backup of it doesn't really make sense, does it? :)
[16:16] <gofio> is the same a dos partition table type than efi gpt?
[16:16] <leftyfb> konrados: correct
[16:16] <konrados> leftyfb, - thank you again! Be right back :)
[16:16] <leftyfb> !who | gofio
[16:17] <rootkea> Hello! Is it possible to exclude sub-directory(ies) while searching with catfish? I can't seem to find/see any such option.
[16:17] <gofio> it was an open queestion leftyfb
[16:18] <leftyfb> gofio: open questions should have context (on the same line). Please don't provide your commentary and stream of thought in the channel and expect everyone to follow along
[16:19] <gofio> just trying to find out if dos and efi gpt are the same as partition table types leftyfb
[16:19] <leftyfb> gofio: what is it exactly you're trying to accomplish?
[16:20] <gofio> get back a windows partition I overwrote with ubuntu leftyfb
[16:20] <leftyfb> gofio: you should just restore the backup you said you made
[16:20] <gofio> I'm running testdisk from xubuntu 18.04 terminal and don't want to make more mistakes leftyfb
[16:21] <leftyfb> gofio: beyond that, try #windows for help restoring your Windows partition
[16:22] <gofio> nag leftyfb at windows channel they don't wanna hear about this, already there. Not even put the nickname ;-)
[16:23] <gofio> well the program itself says as "hint" it has detected "intel" as partition table type, so, I'll go with that. Whatever
[16:23] <leftyfb> gofio: I don't know what you just said, but I reiterate, help with restoring your Windows partition should be done in #windows and not here. Regardless if you trying to use Ubuntu to restore it. They might have better tools for doing so.
[16:24] <gofio> they don't leftyfb, honestly, I can give u the logs. Nothing to do there. Don't wanna hear about linux. Literally
[16:24] <leftyfb> gofio: or you can just restore the backup image you insisted to others here that you said you made
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> So gofio ... you didn't heed the previous advice did you? If you had a backup, you could have restored that and tried again in all this time of researching how to restore the partition.
[16:25] <gofio> we're talking about two different back ups it seems pragmaticenigma  and leftyfb
[16:25] <OerHeks> gofio, you already got the best advise, as your recovery and windows are gone;" so you made a mess of the hdd .. time to reinstall windows 7 and try to install fresh xubuntu alongside"
[16:25] <leftyfb> "2019 Apr 22 10:01:01 <gofio>	that's fine BluesKaj, but why u care, u know what I mean, at the end of the day it's my data, isn't it. If this was an organization or something I'd not say anything, but as far as I'm concerned it is not, so, if anything goes wrong I'm gonna pay the consecuences, and promise I would not come back, so, free risk at ur end"
[16:26] <gofio> I don't have the product key for the reinstall OerHeks
[16:26] <gofio> the one I have came with the machine and windows don't accept it for the recovery pendrive
[16:27] <leftyfb> gofio: contact Microsoft support
[16:27] <leftyfb> gofio: or your pc manufacturer
[16:28] <leftyfb> gofio: your support here in recovering your Windows partition has ended. Good luck.
[16:31] <gofio> I'm not here to recover my windows partition leftyfb I'm hre to install xubuntu 18.04
[16:31] <pragmaticenigma> gofio: Then pull the trigger, and start from the beginning and install with the option to wipe the drive
[16:31] <leftyfb> gofio: ok, then stuck the USB drive in, boot up and install xubuntu 18.04. Let us know when you come across any issues and we'll be happy to help
[16:32] <gofio> I'm in the middle of that install process leftyfb but when it comes to installation type I don't know what to choose
[16:33] <leftyfb> gofio: pick the one that says wipe the entire drive
[16:33] <gofio> that's what I'm here for
[16:33] <brooksnook> hi
[16:33] <gofio> k, thanks leftyfb
[16:33] <sharik> when play video screen goes green
[16:34] <brooksnook> i'm new to irc
[16:34] <compdoc> me too
[16:34] <sharik> can anyone help me
[16:34] <brooksnook> my distro came with an irc client so i thought "yeah why not"
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> brooksnook: Welcome to the Ubuntu support channel, this channel specifically focuses on support question for Ubuntu. If you'd like to chat or have general discussion, please /join #ubuntu-offtopic. Thanks
[16:35] <lordcirth_> sharik, what Ubuntu version and flavor? What are you using to play the video? What graphics card and driver?
[16:35] <sharik> ubuntu 19.04
[16:37] <OerHeks> sharik, maybe you have the same issue: gstreamer1.0-vaapi >> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1135097/green-lines-on-playing-videos-in-ubuntu-19-04
[16:39] <OerHeks> sharik, or when it is just with VLC, see this old issue, maybe still valid for 19.04 https://askubuntu.com/questions/851135/using-vlc-to-play-dvds-get-green-screen
[16:40] <sharik> thanks sir, now its working fine after remove
[16:41] <OerHeks> sharik, nice, if you have the time, confirm that fiorst post to be a solution, to help others, thanks!
[16:50] <TheWild> hello
[16:50] <TheWild> How to *force unmount* (and later unplug) a file system? No "find out what process is using it and kill it", no fuser, no lsof. I'm asking how to force unmount the file system.
[16:50] <gartral> compdoc: lies, he's been here for years
[16:50] <lordcirth_> TheWild, depends, what filesystem, and why won't it umount?
[16:51] <compdoc> shush!
[16:51] <gartral> you've*
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> gartral: Please stay on topic. Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[16:52] <OerHeks> TheWild, i just read ##linux, is that filesystem in use by your linux?
[16:52] <gartral> I do, actually, I have a Lenovo T440 here that I just jumped from 18.04 though to 19.04 and now to fn+F1-12 keyboard shirtcuts no longer work, of particular need is my mute shortcut
[16:53] <TheWild> hmmm... it's not /, it's not /home, it's just an USB stick. I've been reading a html page from it in browser. I closed the webpage but browser seems to still keep a reference to some files.
[16:53] <TheWild> I don't want to kill the browser, I want to just cut the references.
[16:54] <nullbyte_> 19.04 40x
[16:54] <nullbyte_> r0x
[16:54] <OerHeks> TheWild, close the tab?
[16:54] <gartral> TheWild: run sync in a terminal and then yank it out?
[16:56] <TheWild> the tab is closed. But even it was open, that shouldn't be a problem because what I want to do is to force unmount it.
[16:56] <ninekeys> TheWild: I would run sync then I would do umount -l to lazy umount it, if you really want to force it then you can do a umount --force. However things can get sticky if you're talking about NFS
[16:57] <Exterminador> stupid question: what's the major issue that can occur when moving a partition?
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> Exterminador: loss of data
[16:58] <TheWild> no NFS. Neither -f nor -l really work. "-f" seeminly worked, but USB stick still can't be safely powered off (udisksctl power-off -b /dev/sdb), this means to me that something still uses it
[16:58] <OerHeks> not enough space, power-drop, overwriting, earthquake
[16:58] <pragmaticenigma> Exterminador: make a back up image of the drive first. nothing bad happens when you have a back up. aside from data loss, depending on the drive's references the UUID could change as well as mount point references. Meaning you might have to manually fix GRUB to boot
[16:59] <Exterminador> ouch.. let's hope not, since I'm moving my Xubuntu install to left of an unallocated space. and well, the backup is something that I've forgot although I don't have that much data
[17:01] <mathias__> f
[17:01] <mathias__> e
[17:01] <mathias__> gsg
[17:01] <mathias__> ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[17:01] <mathias__> ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[17:01] <mathias__> ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[17:01] <lordcirth_> !modcall
[17:01] <mathias__> ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[17:01] <lordcirth_> Exterminador, "moving" a partition really means deleting the partition, moving the data to the new location, then re-creating the partition in the correct place.
[17:02] <ninekeys> TheWild: try logging out then logging back in? Could be something holding on the FUSE mount, if that doesn't work either yanking it out or a reboot :/
[17:02] <lordcirth_> As you can imagine, if that stops part way through ... you're sunk.
[17:02] <TheWild> no, no, no and no. No relog, no reboot. Why the hell Windows can do it and Linux can't?
[17:02] <lordcirth_> TheWild, because Linux doesn't want to eat your data?
[17:03] <Exterminador> lordcirth_: yeah. but well, most of the data are just files that I've downloaded from my GDrive account
[17:03] <ninekeys> TheWild: if you don't want to use the tools to figure out why it's being locked then it's hard to know
[17:06] <TheWild> never mind. I'll plug it off, replug and fsck.
[17:07] <TheWild> I can't get why it was "recovering journal" despite no writes being performed. Background writes?
[17:07] <lordcirth_> TheWild, an unclean mount always says recovering, even if there's 0 things to recover, I believe.
[17:08] <winterfell> start download GOT S2
[17:08] <winterfell> >,<
[17:09] <lordcirth_> winterfell, wrong channel
[17:09] <winterfell> yes
[17:09] <winterfell> i know
[17:09] <winterfell> bye
[17:12] <Exterminador> just a refresher pls: to write a bootable USB stick is "sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX status=progress && sync", right?
[17:13] <genii> Exterminador: Yep
[17:13] <teward> for the Ubuntu ISOs, yes.
[17:13] <lordcirth_> Exterminador, yes, but add bs=1M to make it faster
[17:13] <teward> (can't guarantee for *all* ISOs)
[17:13] <OerHeks> BS=4M
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> Exterminador: Yes, personally I've started using etcher.io though. Cross platform, no install, portable
[17:14] <lordcirth_> With modern versions of cp you can actually use cp to do it. But older versions would just unlink /dev/sda, lol
[17:14] <genii> Exterminador: As teward indictaes, this works for *buntu hybrid ISO images. If it's a different ISO which is only made to burn a CD/DVD from this will not work to make a bootable USB from
[17:16] <Ben_X> Does anyone know if newer versions of Ubuntu have dropped the "whois" command?
[17:16] <blackflow> Ben_X: I don't recall last time it was installed by default
[17:16] <Exterminador> genii: it's for *buntu, yes. :)
[17:17] <lordcirth_> Ben_X, on my Xubuntu 18.04 machine, it's in the "whois" package, but not installed by default.
[17:17] <gartral> ok... so ubuntu 19.04 on the T440 doesn't let me log in on the VTs, and doesn't wake the display properly once the lid has been closed and opened.
[17:17] <lordcirth_> gartral, what do you mean by "won't let me"
[17:17] <gartral> lordcirth_: I mean it refuses my password when I know my password is valid.
[17:18] <lordcirth_> gartral, boot to recovery
[17:19] <Exterminador> err... grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow`.
[17:19] <gartral> lordcirth_: I can log in fine from the lightdm, just not on the VTs
[17:19] <lordcirth_> gartral, sure you got the right username?
[17:19] <gartral> yep.
[17:19] <Exterminador> any ideas about this ?
[17:19] <lordcirth_> Note that Lightdm shows the user's FullName, not username, and that usernames are case-sensitive
[17:20] <lordcirth_> Exterminador, /cow?
[17:20] <CarlFK> I need to log spi driver traffic.  like this, only less DYI and more 'solid'  http://codelectron.com/how-to-setup-virtual-spi-in-linux
[17:20] <gartral> I know the difference between a Unix user name and what's displayed.
[17:20] <Exterminador> lordcirth_: yep
[17:20] <Exterminador> exactly as described
[17:21] <lordcirth_> Exterminador, and this is printed when?
[17:21] <OerHeks> grub-install error while doing a dd .. odd
[17:21] <gartral> I just tested again, still not accepting my credentials.
[17:22] <Exterminador> OerHeks: the dd thing will be in a bit
[17:23] <Exterminador> lordcirth_: I think I was doing things wrong. the sda right now is the USB.  the HDD seems to be sdb
[17:23] <lordcirth_> Exterminador, so, did you bork your hard drive?
[17:24] <Exterminador> same error tho.. I'm doing "sudo grub-install /dev/sdb" and I get that error
[17:24]  * pragmaticenigma hopes there's a backup image
[17:24] <tomreyn> gartral: when dod this start happening then? does it only happen when you previously suspended to ram, or also on a freshly booted system? any other factors which may be relevant?
[17:25] <lordcirth_> Exterminador, I thought you were trying to make an installer USB?
[17:25] <lordcirth_> gartral, I guess boot recovery and look in /var/log/auth.log
[17:25] <Exterminador> lordcirth_: not yet.. I'll do it in a bit. I was just partitioning the disk to install Kubuntu
[17:26] <gartral> tomreyn: well I just upgraded from 18.04 -> 18.10 -> 19.04 today.. i just noticed this behavior after the system locked (I don't have suspend to ram enabled on this laptop) and the system refused to come out of lock..
[17:26] <lordcirth_> Exterminador, so why are you manually running grub-install?
[17:27] <Exterminador> lordcirth_: because I've moved /dev/sdb3 to left of an unallocated space so I could merge two unallocated spaces to make an extended partition of 128Gb
[17:27] <tomreyn> gartral: so, that sounds like you *maybe* didn't ppa-purge before you started those upgrades, and now have some some dependencies which aren't resolvable.
[17:28] <tomreyn> (and earlier or newer versions of some packages than you should have)
[17:28] <Exterminador> !grub
[17:28] <gartral> tomreyn: how would I tell?
[17:28] <tomreyn> gartral: first:   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[17:29] <tomreyn> gartral: second:   sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[17:29] <gartral> tomreyn: oh, PPAs, no, I wouldn't have had to as this machine never had PPAs applied on it
[17:29] <tomreyn> gartral: third:   ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:29] <tomreyn> gartral: other third party repositories?
[17:30] <tomreyn> or .deb's downloaded from somewhere and installed directly?
[17:30] <gartral> only .deb i would have had is Discord
[17:30] <mra90> when I call make does it call GNU make or sth else?
[17:31] <OerHeks> discord is available as snap
[17:31] <pewdohaxor> hey guys, i need help to test command 'write' in terminal..
[17:31] <tomreyn> gartral: maybe you have different keyboard layouts on tty vs graphical login?
[17:31] <goddard> anyone know is gnome shell's online accounts has support for one drive?
[17:31] <gartral> OerHeks: snaps need to die.
[17:31] <lordcirth_> mra90,  make --version
[17:31] <pewdohaxor> so who help me?
[17:31] <gartral> mra90: what does make --version say?
[17:32] <tomreyn> !details | pewdohaxor
[17:32] <mra90> lordcirth_: GNU make ok
[17:32] <mra90> gartral: ^^
[17:32] <mra90> So I am supprised how it understand kbuild
[17:32] <lordcirth_> pewdohaxor, 'write' to myself works for me
[17:33] <gartral> pewdohaxor: man write would be a great place to start
[17:33] <lordcirth_> !pm | ben_X
[17:33] <Ben_X> I installed the whois command, I thought it was there by default.
[17:33] <OerHeks> goddard, yes, onedrive is available in the repos
[17:34] <OerHeks> !info onedrive
[17:34] <Ben_X> I'm reading the nmap guide & I was stuck @ the "whois" command because I was not aware that it was not installed by default.
[17:35] <lordcirth_> !apt-file | Ben_X
[17:35] <neyder> hi, in bionic, which is the lightweight web browser out there, i got to boot 18.04 on OLPC XO 1.5 512MBRAM and firefox is struggling
[17:35] <mra90> the mapage of "grep" says -f to specify files, however grep takes files even without this falg - how is it done?
[17:36] <OerHeks> neyder, 512 mb is below specs of ubuntu, maybe too low for lubuntu even..
[17:36] <mra90> " If        no files are specified, or if the file “-” is        given,  grep  searches  standard  input." What is a standard input in this case?
[17:36] <tomreyn> neyder: that's below minimum requirements for ubuntu 18.04, i'm afraid. you can try browsh (not in ubuntu)
[17:36] <lordcirth_> neyder, try dillo
[17:36] <neyder> yeah i'm running on lxde, but taking about browsers
[17:37] <Exterminador> does this Boot Repair report seems okay: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wNvtVFPzxr/ ?
[17:37] <maxinux> so is there a way to get logs from do-release-upgrade? what exactly does it not like about my python3 symlink
[17:37] <neyder> lordcirth_: i may use links but htats not the point, if can run html5 apps will be nice
[17:38] <lordcirth_> neyder, I believe dillo supports some of HTML5. Not sure how much. Try it, I guess?
[17:38] <neyder> tomreyn: brosh <3
[17:38] <maxinux> found the log  in /var/log/dist-upgrade, can probably fix from here
[17:38] <goddard> OerHeks: thanks
[17:38] <tomreyn> neyder: i'm not sure this comes at a low memory footprint really, but you'll see
[17:39] <neyder> tomreyn: browsh looks great for me, but the user base for this is primary students, so need to run html5 apps like scratch 3
[17:40] <maxinux> succesful, it complains about python3, but really is a problem with python 2.7 lol
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> !pm | Ben_X
[17:41] <lordcirth_> neyder, I very much doubt you're going to get Lubuntu + a browser + Scratch 3 running well in 512MiB.
[17:41] <tomreyn> neyder: i don't know this app, but i would think it does html5 fine. anyways, this is all better suited for #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:43] <gartral> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/xuf7 https://termbin.com/g3gs https://termbin.com/0os5
[17:43] <neyder> tomreyn lordcirth_ many thanks for   replying , i would love to have more than 512MB, but there are 1M of this OLPC XO in perú, and over the world. have anice day!
[17:44] <gartral> that took forever to type XD
[17:45] <lordcirth_> neyder, have you considered thin clients?
[17:45] <ioria> neyder, 16.04 still has midori (it loves to crash , btw)
[17:45] <D-melanogaster> hey everyone, I have a problem with networking.service booting how can I fix this? Maybe someone had a same trouble? https://codeshare.io/aJNO6d
[17:46] <tomreyn> gartral: why did you need to type it?
[17:46] <gartral> tomreyn: not on irc on the problem machine
[17:46] <pewdohaxor> hm
[17:46] <tomreyn> gartral: maybe just change this, much easier going forward ;)
[17:47] <gartral> i'm installing irssi now, yea
[17:47] <lordcirth_> D-melanogaster, DHCP? Wifi or Ethernet?
[17:47] <lordcirth_> D-melanogaster, also, what Ubuntu version?
[17:47] <gartral> ok there we go
[17:48] <D-melanogaster> lordcirth_, Wifi mostly
[17:48] <D-melanogaster> 18.04
[17:48] <tomreyn> gartral: so it looks as if you had ubuntu studio installed there once?
[17:48] <gartral> tomreyn: still do
[17:49] <gartral> holy banspam
[17:51] <Exterminador> well, time to try the bootable USB stick :Da
[17:51] <tomreyn> i see. so if you look at the latest paste https://termbin.com/0os5 you have a lot of unsupported (that's in the strict cannoical sense, where just 'the main' and 'restricted' sections are guaranteed to receive timely security updates + bug fixes) - but this may be normal on ubuntu studio, since it'Äs a community effort, using a lot of community maintained packages, and the  studio PPA. however,
[17:51] <tomreyn> gartral: ^
[17:52] <tomreyn> gartral: you also have just a few packages which are 'no longer downloadable', those are really not getting support and secury / bug fixes by anyone, it's not even clear to apt (anymore) how they ended upo there.
[17:53] <N00biette> Hi, I have a pb with my usb3 thumbs, dd write speed tells me 1,5 M/s, lsusb -t, is showing 5OOOM. Any hint s?
[17:53] <jcotton> what's your full dd command?
[17:53] <jcotton> probably small block size
[17:53] <jcotton> also wait, 5000M?
[17:53] <jcotton> as in 5,000 MB/s?
[17:54] <jcotton> there's no way, that's faster than NVMe
[17:54] <tomreyn> gartral: however, none of this really seem to explain the original issue, so about that, you'll need to keep searching elsewhere. see /var/log/auth.log
[17:54] <N00biette> Bus 04.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/6p, 5000M
[17:54] <N00biette> sync; dd if=/dev/zero of=tempfile bs=1M count=1024; sync ^C^X681+0 enregistrements lus 681+0 enregistrements écrits 714080256 bytes (714 MB, 681 MiB) copied, 472,036 s, 1,5 MB/s
[17:56] <lordcirth_> N00biette, lsusb -t just means that the USB 3.0 protocol can do 5000Mib/s. It doesn't mean the flash can write that fast.
[17:57] <lordcirth_> Most USB3 sticks can't go anywhere near the theoretical protocol speed.
[17:57] <tomreyn> gartral: also keep this running in tty4 while you test logging in elsewhere (create a new user an password if you need to to be able to login to tty):   journalctl --follow
[17:57] <jcotton> hell my SSD isn't that fast
[17:57] <lordcirth_> jcotton, it's megabits
[17:57] <jcotton> oh
[17:57] <lordcirth_> And it's only the theoretical line speed, which nothing hits
[17:58] <N00biette> I did test this thumbs on windows
[17:58] <N00biette> average 80 MB/s
[17:58] <lordcirth_> N00biette, using dd?
[17:58] <gartral> tomreyn: tomreyn can't I just pump journalctl --follow to a file?
[17:59] <N00biette> using hd dtune, I have a big problem of "slowliness" with htis thumbs
[17:59] <lordcirth_> N00biette, make / get a large file, sync; time cp file /media/usb/; time sync
[17:59] <tomreyn> gartral: you don't need to, you can just run  "journalctl -b" and press (upper case) G to go to the bottom at any time.
[18:00] <N00biette> N00biette because I'm a newbie-ette
[18:00] <tomreyn> gartral: it prints all the previous records since last boot every time.
[18:01] <N00biette> lordcirth : what should I do ?
[18:01] <gartral> tomreyn: so guess what..
[18:01] <lordcirth_> N00biette, like I said, try using 'cp'
[18:02] <gartral> tomreyn: now it's making a bloody liar out of me. I was able to log in on a vt
[18:02] <N00biette> so which command "sync; time cp file /media/usb/; time sync" ?
[18:02] <lordcirth_> N00biette, yes
[18:03] <tomreyn> gartral: "sorry" to hear this.
[18:03] <lordcirth_> You'll need a suitably large file, like an ubuntu ISO
[18:04] <N00biette> still running forever
[18:04] <N00biette> :'(
[18:06] <N00biette> still waiting ?
[18:06] <gartral> tomreyn: lol... I did notice something, the fingerprint reader lit up this time and wasn't before.. so...
[18:07] <tomreyn> gartral: maybe you just installed some updates which had been pending for a while?
[18:07] <AppXprt> anyone using ubuntu 18.04 Desktop on default WM GDM3?
[18:09] <N00biette> cp: impossible d'évaluer 'file': Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type  real    0m10,963s user    0m0,001s sys     0m0,000s
[18:09] <blackflow> AppXprt: a lot of people.
[18:10] <N00biette> real    1m22,269s user    0m0,001s sys     0m0,000s
[18:10] <N00biette> Voila
[18:12] <lordcirth_> N00biette, you have to have such a file first.
[18:13] <master> Cześć.Jest ktoś z Polin?
[18:14] <lordcirth_> !pl | master
[18:15] <master> przecież takiego kanału nie ma
[18:16] <N00biette> could I use DD to create this file ?
[18:16] <tomreyn> !ask | AppXprt
[18:17] <master> A jest tu SSL * Łączenie z chat.freenode.net (130.185.232.126:6697) ? Tak miałem ustawione w hexchat
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> english master
[18:18] <master> I Polish Man :)
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> master: lordcirth_ linked you the polish channel
[18:18] <OerHeks> master, see the !pl factoid for polish channel
[18:19] <lordcirth_> N00biette, yes, you could.
[18:20] <tomreyn> master: quit hexchat, then open terminal and:   export LANG=C; hexchat
[18:20] <tomreyn> master: general irc support is avialble in #freenode
[18:21] <N00biette> Oh I shlud mentionned that this thumbs is my ssystem drive
[18:21] <master> Earth is flat?
[18:21] <gofio> yes
[18:21] <leftyfb> master: trolling is offtopic here. try #ubuntu-ops
[18:21] <leftyfb> gofio: don't
[18:21] <tomreyn> N00biette: i concur.
[18:22] <master> not trolling..
[18:22] <N00biette> So I launched sync; time cp tempfile ; time sync
[18:23] <leftyfb> master: geography, earth-science is offtopic here. Try #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:23] <N00biette> because I have a large tempgile
[18:23] <N00biette> tempfile *
[18:23] <tomreyn> N00biette: cheap and simple flash storage as found on usb sticks isn't made to endure many write cycles. you will probably not be able to run ubuntu from it for a very long time before it breaks. also, it'll be slow.
[18:24] <the2048> You can use it to install ubuntu but not really run it
[18:24] <lordcirth_> Expensive USB3.0 drives can work for a while
[18:24] <lordcirth_> If you turn swap off, etc
[18:24] <the2048> ^
[18:25] <tomreyn> yes, but then most people have better alternatives available for everyday use.
[18:25] <the2048> Exactly
[18:25] <lordcirth_> yeah
[18:25] <tomreyn> a modern hdd is cheap and usually faster, surely more durable.
[18:25] <the2048> That's 100% accurate
[18:25] <N00biette> sorry I dont understand what should I use for a command
[18:25] <the2048> N00biette, what are you trying to do? Test device speed?
[18:25] <tomreyn> use comand go_to_shop_buy_hdd
[18:26] <tatertots> lol
[18:26] <master> Luck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHkrbKfnkNY
[18:27] <the2048> If so then you could use GNOME Disks
[18:27] <the2048> But if you're currently using it you can't do write tests
[18:27] <tomreyn> !ot | master
[18:30] <N00biette> I'm trying ti understand why my system is so slow whith a datatraveller
[18:31] <OerHeks> usb *is* slow, just get used to it
[18:31] <OerHeks> so there is nothing wrong with the usb, nor with your pc, nor with ubuntu
[18:32] <lordcirth_> OerHeks, he did say that he got 80MB/s raw on Windows, however.
[18:33] <lordcirth_> But I am doubting that was accurate, given how many caches modern systems have.
[18:33] <OerHeks> those numbers are an indication, start of copy goes fast, until the buffers are full
[18:35] <N00biette> No serisously it's very slow, dd ind
[18:35] <N00biette> indicates 1.5 MB/S
[18:36] <N00biette> a real pain :'(
[18:36] <OerHeks> interesting, just be patient :-)
[18:37] <N00biette> :/
[18:37] <lordcirth_> N00biette, either use a decent root device, or deal with the slowness
[18:37] <lordcirth_> And make sure swap is off
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> N00biette: There are a lot of contributing factors to the write speed of a USB drive. If you're not using a native linux file system, there is overhead for translating to the non-native format. The difference in OS's ability to cache data being written to the drive will affect perceived performance. Motherboard support for what you are doing will be a factor.
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> N00biette: If you have booted from the USB drive, there is possibilty that the motherboards BIOS/Firmware drops the speed of the USB channel.
[18:40] <lordcirth_> Really? That's annoying
[18:40] <N00biette> I'm gonna swap off ok.
[18:40] <N00biette> and check the bios and uefi
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> N00biette: If you're attempting to test the same drive that you booted from, you're going to have a huge bottle neck as well... you can't test the same media that you are running the application or operating system from
[18:42] <N00biette> ok
[18:44] <the2048> You can test read if you're booting from it but not write
[18:45] <the2048> However it won't do as good as you expect it to
[18:48] <deanc> I'm using xserver-xorg-video-dummy to create a fake screen on my ubuntu installation that has no monitor plugged in. Unfortunately even though I have changed the resolution of my conf file, when i reboot it doesn't pick up the higher res. https://pastebin.com/nnSiCGcx
[18:49] <tomreyn> N00biette: when comparing with your windows performance test, make sure that the OS runs from a different storage,a nd that the test methods are the same or very similar. what you primarily should compare are both writes (i.e. write larger files to the storage, ideally not to a file system but the raw device, and sync).
[18:50] <tomreyn> N00biette: if, with this setup, writes seem to be much faster with windows than with linux, come back, present your findings, and your system journal, and we can look more closely.
[18:55] <the2048> I'll leave this here for drive stuff: https://imgur.com/a/WU1eseT
[18:58] <gofio> ubi-console-setup crashed, what does it mean
[19:01] <OerHeks> gofio, it means the keyboard setup in the installer crashed, did you verify the download?
[19:01] <OerHeks> !verify
[19:01] <the2048> To be fair if you're on an unstable connection like mine you should always check MD5 hashes
[19:01] <gofio> I'm actually running it I believe since I'm trying to install from a live session
[19:03] <SlowJimm`> how do you make a bash script start right into the beginning of booting?
[19:04] <OerHeks> SlowJimm`, on what ubuntu version?
[19:04] <SlowJimm`> 18.04
[19:04] <SlowJimm`> desktop
[19:04] <OerHeks> such info is needed
[19:04] <ioria> SlowJimm`, define 'beginning'
[19:04] <OerHeks> why on boot, why not after login?
[19:04] <SlowJimm`> OerHeks: ty, ioria: right after boot
[19:05] <Xe> I'm trying to change the DNS on an ubuntu server. How do I make systemd stop using the old DNS server?
[19:05] <SlowJimm`> OerHeks: or such
[19:05] <ioria> SlowJimm`, and what you need exactly ? a gui env to run it or not ?  and what that script does ?
[19:06] <SlowJimm`> ioria I want to know if there is a folder i can move my script so it will be executed aftter log in or after boot or whatever
[19:07] <SlowJimm`> ioria: my script is putting iptables firewall rules
[19:07] <Xe> I have edited /etc/systemd/networkd/50-default.network so it no longer references the old DNS server, but running `dig` makes it use the old dns server
[19:08] <OerHeks> SlowJimm`, you could use a crontrab with '@reboot /path/to/script' https://www.kompulsa.com/run-a-program-on-startup-console-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[19:09] <SlowJimm`> OerHeks: sweet! This'll do nicely
[19:11] <ioria> SlowJimm`,  i'd say a systemd unit with  Before=network.target
[19:11] <SlowJimm`> ioria: even nicer!
[19:11] <dork> anyone know how to run a do-release-upgrade and not have it auto delete packages? i'm trying to do a release upgrade but it's uninstalling a package installed via dpkg -i *.deb
[19:11] <SlowJimm`> ioria: I mean even better! this'll do me nicely!
[19:12] <OerHeks> ioria, great answer, better than crontab
[19:12] <ioria> try it
[19:12] <SlowJimm`> OerHeks: espacially it's right before any connection
[19:12] <OerHeks> dork,  not, those packages are not compatible, so they are removed.
[19:13] <leftyfb> dork: you can probably reinstall them after the upgrade. But that is how the upgrade works.
[19:14] <dork> ok thanks
[19:27] <gofio> oops leftyfb, surprise https://i.imgur.com/MAyCqTr.jpg
[19:27] <leftyfb> gofio: ?
[19:30] <gofio> a backup image leftyfb, oops
[19:30] <Zabot> Are there any known issues with Enterprise wifi on ubuntu 14.04? I can't connect to an enterprise AP, I'm repeatedly asked for the password, but never connect. dmesg shows wlan1 authenticated and then immediately deauthenticates. I don't know if its the wifi or if my keyring is fubared and it can't save the authentication.
[19:31] <leftyfb> gofio: ok? Did you need our help with it in some way?
[19:31] <leftyfb> Zabot: Just FYI, Ubuntu 14.04 will be unsupported in 8 days from today.
[19:31] <gofio> thanks leftyfb but I'm afraid I'll be better of without it
[19:34] <Zabot> leftyfb: I'd love to upgrade, but its running on a robot with a bunch of undocumented os mods by the developer, so I don't have an option :/
[19:35] <OerHeks> Zabot, wait for the developer to support your upgrade target
[19:35] <leftyfb> Zabot: just know, you will not be able receive support in here in 8 days. Your organization does have the option of purchasing an addition 5 years support through Canonical's ESM product. https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/09/19/extended-security-maintenance-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr
[19:35] <qwebirc32239> Hello, I would like to report an issue in 19.04 which was there in 18.04 too. Since Gnome calculator is now installed via snap it is not a search provider and hence I cant say search 1+2 in the activities search panel. I use that feature a lot and probably other users too, so till snap packages provide a way for search integration with GNOME, shouldn't GNOME calculator be packaged via normal deb package
[19:36] <qwebirc32239> Where do I report this? ^
[19:36] <leftyfb> qwebirc32239: you could remove the snap and install from apt
[19:37] <qwebirc32239> leftyfb: Yeah did that, though I just think that by default, it should be installed normally and not via snap
[19:37] <lenny_lemon> hi, having again issue with my touchpad on laptop running ubuntu 16.04
[19:37] <lenny_lemon> cannot disable it
[19:37] <lenny_lemon> it's glitching
[19:37] <gepatino> hello guys!
[19:37] <pragmaticenigma> !bugs | qwebirc32239, try your luck
[19:38] <lenny_lemon> using xinput to disable it but for some time it enable itself
[19:38] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | lenny_lemon
[19:38] <ioria> qwebirc32239, which gnome-calculator
[19:39] <qwebirc32239> ioria: the default one in 19.04 .
[19:39] <gepatino> I'm creating some deb package for an internal project. The .deb contains some configuration files that will be installed under /etc/something/. I can't find how can I delete these configuration files in the hosts where the package is installed if I create a new version without one of those files.
[19:39] <ioria> qwebirc32239, run 'which gnome-calculator'
[19:39] <qwebirc32239> ubottu: Thanks! will report there.
[19:39] <gepatino> for example `package-v1.deb` includes /etc/something/a.conf and /etc/something/b.conf
[19:40] <gepatino> and `package-v2.deb` includes only /etc/something/a.conf, how can I make it delete /etc/something/b.conf when the package is updated?
[19:40] <pragmaticenigma> gepatino: For help with building applications, please check out the Ubuntu application developer channel. #ubuntu-app-devel
[19:41] <gepatino> thanks pragmaticenigma
[19:41] <ikonia> gepatino: creating packages which overwrite / fight for control with ubuntu packages is a bad idea
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> gepatino: also, an installer should never delete files on an end user machine. It should show a conflict resolution (diff)
[19:42] <gepatino> it's intended to be used in a private application that is only istalled in a set of remote machines
[19:42] <ikonia> yeah, but it fights with control for ubuntu packages
[19:42] <ikonia> so that's just a bad idea
[19:42] <ikonia> create a seperate package that puts the config files in a different location to protect your users
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> gepatino: But you are using a platform that involves a community that doesn't support that edge case, which would mean that there won't be an ability in the tool set to do that behavior.
[19:44] <gepatino> ikonia: I could do that, but it doesn't solve the issue: how can I delete a file the app doesn't need anymore when updating a deb package?
[19:45] <ikonia> gepatino: just put an rm in the post section
[19:45] <gepatino> think of an image file in /usr/images instead of a config file
[19:45] <ikonia> it's a bad idea as I say, but it's up to you
[19:45] <ikonia> gepatino: same thing - it's a bad idea
[19:45] <ikonia> but totally your call
[19:46] <gepatino> ikonia: I'd like to know before I screw something... why is it such a bad idea on a private package? it's going to be installed only in a set of controlled machines, not released to end users
[19:47] <ikonia> gepatino: as I say, fighting with anything that is in conflict with an ubuntu package will not end well,
[19:48] <ikonia> you need to build an alternative pakage, with alternative name that puts the files you want in a different location
[19:49] <gepatino> thanks ikonia I'll take a closer look at that alternative
[19:59] <minhngoc25a> Could you help with Grub4Dos screen?
[20:01] <leftyfb> minhngoc25a: grub4dos isn't supported here. We only support ubuntu.
[20:02] <minhngoc25a> but grub4dos is the reason I cannot boot to ubunto
[20:02] <alien64> You again
[20:02] <OerHeks> grub4dos is for iso's, not to boot an installed linux, AFAIK
[20:02] <leftyfb> minhngoc25a: install ubuntu properly and it will install grub properly and you'll be able to boot ubuntu and windows
[20:04] <ikonia> why would you have grub4dos on an ubuntu install
[20:05] <minhngoc25a> dual boot windows 10 and ubuntu, I want to prioritize windows 10 to boot first
[20:05] <ikonia> again how does grub4dos come into that
[20:06] <minhngoc25a> but when I edit the boot, i might have corrupted it
[20:06] <ikonia> how does grub4dos come into this
[20:07] <minhngoc25a> easybcd
[20:07] <OerHeks> use grub2 that comes with ubuntu, and the manual to set your priorities
[20:07] <OerHeks> !grub
[20:07] <ikonia> why have you used easybcd
[20:07] <leftyfb> minhngoc25a: install ubuntu after Windows and it's grub install will find and add Windows to the boot. Then you can edit grub to boot Windows first. Anything beyond that (easybcd, grub4dos) are unsupported here.
[20:08] <ikonia> I'm trying to understand why you didn't just install ubuntu and either tell grub to boot windows by default, or put grub on a seperate boot sector
[20:08] <minhngoc25a> when I select to boot to ubuntu, it only appear grub4dos window
[20:08] <minhngoc25a> ubuntu is already installed
[20:08] <ikonia> yeah, because you've used a bootloader not configured by ubuntu
[20:08] <ikonia> so why did you mess around with putting another boot loader on it ?
[20:08] <ikonia> right, and it installed grub
[20:09] <minhngoc25a> I normally use Windows 10, so I want the metro bootloader to load first, not GRUB2
[20:10] <JohnGavr> hello guys
[20:11] <vimar> Hello JohnGavr
[20:11] <minhngoc25a> I cannot even use "ls" to locate disks
[20:11] <ikonia> minhngoc25a: why
[20:11] <JohnGavr> minhngoc25a, ls locate files on filesystem
[20:11] <JohnGavr> lsblk locate disks
[20:11] <ikonia> minhngoc25a: what benifit do you have from metro loading
[20:11] <ikonia> rather than grub loading and booting metro straight away
[20:12] <minhngoc25a> now I'm stuck on the grub4dos
[20:12] <leftyfb> minhngoc25a: you use grub to boot Windows. That's it. There's no reason you can't deal with grub booting Windows.
[20:12] <ikonia> minhngoc25a: just follow the grub recovery steps and put a standard grub install on
[20:12] <ikonia> don't mess around outside of it
[20:12] <ikonia> !grub2 | minhngoc25a
[20:13] <leftyfb> minhngoc25a: you'll need to boot an ubuntu live cd/usb, chroot into the ubuntu install and run grub-install on your drive
[20:13] <minhngoc25a> Thanks for your support. I will read those and attempt.
[20:14] <JohnGavr> chroot saves your life
[20:15] <alien64> leftyfb: thought you said it wasn't supported? But here you are giving support. Make up your mind.
[20:15] <leftyfb> alien64: nowhere did I give support for grub4dos. I told them how to recover grub for Ubuntu.
[20:16] <leftyfb> alien64: do you need help with something?
[20:16] <OerHeks> alien64, nice try, we do help get grub back
[20:16] <alien64> Yeah whatever
[20:16] <AppXprt> ok sorry, I'm back...
[20:17] <AppXprt> anyone using ubuntu 18.04 Desktop on default WM GDM3?
[20:17] <JohnGavr> AppXprt, what happens?
[20:17] <OerHeks> AppXprt,  everybody with 18.04
[20:17] <AppXprt> Try this stupid BS... sudo service gdm restart
[20:17] <leftyfb> alien64: this isn't the first time you've offered your critical and unfounded advice here. Please stay ontopic and either ask for help if you need it or don't.
[20:17] <AppXprt> No that's not true, I'm on mate
[20:18] <JohnGavr> AppXprt, systemctl restart gdm.service
[20:18] <AppXprt> is that not the same as service gdm restart and if not so, why?
[20:18] <alien64> leftyfb: and who are you? The irc god
[20:19] <leftyfb> alien64: trolling is offtopic here. Feel free to rant in #ubuntu-ops
[20:19] <AppXprt> and why does sudo service gdm restart wig X11 out so much that you can't even get to any TTY's and GDM service tries to reboot a thousand times?
[20:20] <AppXprt> I think it finally stops trying around attempt 10000
[20:20] <AppXprt> Someone rode the short bus as a child...
[20:20] <leftyfb> AppXprt: please keep the offensive comments to yourself. This is a support channel
[20:21] <leftyfb> AppXprt: "service" is deprecated in favor of systemd's systemctl tools
[20:21] <AppXprt> OkAy..... Wacko Linux God's who decide horrible future's for Linux
[20:22] <AppXprt> So.... Replace Service with an alias to systemd?
[20:22] <AppXprt> so you don't do dumb stuff like keeping a broken service utility around?
[20:22] <leftyfb> AppXprt: what exactly do you need help with?
[20:22] <AppXprt> Whats the command to restart services now?
[20:23] <dax> systemctl restart whatever.service
[20:23] <lordcirth_> AppXprt, systemctl restart foo
[20:23] <lordcirth_> .service is optional
[20:23] <AppXprt> like centos and RH?
[20:24] <leftyfb> AppXprt: like most modern distros
[20:26] <alien64> leftyfb: been running Unix and Linux since before you were born. I just come here to watch helpers make fools of themselves. BTW I'm 63. And yeah my generation started the internet that you collage fools screw up.
[20:27] <dax> alien64: You're welcome to watch helpers make fools of themselves. You are not welcome to make comments about it, as we stick to support discussion here. Thanks.
[20:27] <leftyfb> alien64: Linux didn't exist before I was born. Try again
[20:28] <alien64> Yeah right
[20:29] <thagabe> linux is actually older than me #feelsbadman
[20:30] <OerHeks> please get back to support, thanks.
[20:30] <dax> probably best to move on :)
[20:31] <thagabe> alien64 *collage* noice
[20:33] <alien64> The Linux kernel is publicly announced on 25 August by the 21-year-old Finnish student Linus Benedict Torvalds. 1992
[20:34] <lordcirth_> !ot | alien64
[20:34] <AppXprt> Why in the world are you all so strict about IRC
[20:34] <AppXprt> Its.... IRC...
[20:35] <OerHeks> AppXprt, take that to #ubuntu-discuss
[20:35] <alien64> Cuz they are little boys
[20:35] <AppXprt> ^ ^ Point Proven
[20:36] <AppXprt> mute?
[20:36] <dax> AppXprt: yes
[20:37] <dax> Now, as said about 10 minutes ago, let's stick to support topics in here, thanks.
[20:38] <AppXprt> Ahhhh Mannnn
[20:38] <AppXprt> Okay...
[21:03] <creamme> Hi all, I have a problem loading Nvidia drivers, I install the suggested ones and I get a ASCII screen that ends with started GNOME display manager
[21:04] <lordcirth_> creamme, what Ubuntu version, nvidia card, and driver version?
[21:04] <lordcirth_> And suggested by who, and installed how?
[21:06] <creamme> Distro is the one that just came out, I'll have to get the computer to boot before I can tell you wich version it recommended, the card is GTX 1050
[21:07] <baako> hi guys, please help here
[21:08] <tomreyn> !ask | hi baako
[21:08] <baako> running ubuntu 18.10 and have no sound. I have install pulseaudio following https://docs.ubuntu.com/core/en/stacks/audio/pulseaudio/docs/install-pulseaudio to try and solve the issue
[21:08] <baako> and still no sound
[21:08] <tomreyn> baako: do you run ubuntu core then?
[21:09] <leftyfb> baako: those instructions aren't meant for a normal install of ubuntu. They're meant for Ubuntu core (snapy)
[21:09] <leftyfb> snappy*
[21:09] <creamme> ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[21:09] <tomreyn> !who | creamme
[21:09] <baako> sorry guys am running 18.04
[21:10] <AppXprt> is there an official route to get PHP 7.1 on ubuntu 18.04 server?
[21:10] <tomreyn> baako: please run this in a terminal and report the output   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[21:10] <tomreyn> AppXprt: no
[21:11] <tomreyn> !info php7 bionic
[21:11] <tomreyn> !info php-7 bionic
[21:11] <tomreyn> !info php bionic
[21:11] <AppXprt> so is ppa:ondrej/php trusted?
[21:11] <tomreyn> 18.04 comes with php 7.2
[21:11] <baako> tomreyn:
[21:11] <leftyfb> AppXprt: use php 7.2
[21:11] <AppXprt> right so what if you need 7.1...
[21:12] <AppXprt> yes, I agree, but it actually breaks some frameworks...
[21:12] <leftyfb> AppXprt: then fix whatever it is that requires 7.1 or use something else
[21:12] <lordcirth_> AppXprt, fix the app? Why would a minor version break it?
[21:12] <tomreyn> AppXprt: PPAs are generally not supported here. the ppa you pointed to is probably ok if you read and follow its manual-
[21:12] <AppXprt> Not my app?
[21:12] <baako> https://kopy.io/6WigB tomreyn
[21:12] <leftyfb> AppXprt: https://medium.com/@visualmodo/why-you-should-be-using-php-7-2-b89ceaaf1f5d
[21:13] <AppXprt> PHP 7.2 actually breaks Oxwall
[21:13] <leftyfb> AppXprt: run something else? Or, go the lazy way and run your php application in a 16.04 container
[21:13] <AppXprt> is 16.04 as secure as 18.04 by default?
[21:13] <AppXprt> err after updates/upgrades
[21:13] <leftyfb> AppXprt: https://developers.oxwall.com/forum/topic/41415?page=2  from over a year ago
[21:13] <lordcirth_> AppXprt, it's still supported, so assuming you update, yes.
[21:14] <tomreyn> baako: so you run Ubuntu Desktop or Server, not Ubuntu Core, ok. the manual you followed is for Ubuntu Core only. I recommend you remove the pulseaudio snap, make sure the pulseaudio apt/deb packages remain installed and reboot
[21:14] <AppXprt> yea I'm actually involved in that conversation...
[21:14] <AppXprt> and some of it is incorrect...
[21:15] <baako> tomreyn: yeah am running desktop and have apache2 running for local dev
[21:15] <tomreyn> baako: i see
[21:16] <AppXprt> 7.2 breaks Oxwall and they won't allow commits to their github for whatever reason
[21:16] <AppXprt> so 16.04 is the official route to run 7.1
[21:16] <leftyfb> AppXprt: sorry, we can't help with that. Maybe find another product that supports modern web technologies
[21:17] <tomreyn> !16.04
[21:17] <AppXprt> But that will have 7.1 in the repo's?
[21:17] <leftyfb> AppXprt: to be fair, 16.04 looks like it runs 7.0 by default
[21:17] <baako> tomreyn: running sudo snap remove pulseaudio will that remove all pulseaudio
[21:18] <tomreyn> baako: it will remove all of the pulseaudio snap you installed
[21:19] <lordcirth_> !pm | creamme
[21:19] <baako> tomreyn: lol i uninstall pulseaudio and sound is back lol
[21:19] <baako> just youtube sound not working
[21:19] <baako> spotify snap is playing music
[21:20] <tomreyn> baako: so this spotify snap apparently uses the standard pulseaudio daemon which comes with ubuntu desktop. as it should.
[21:21] <AppXprt> baako did you close chrome all the way out between switching audio device?
[21:21] <tomreyn> baako: i suspect that by "youtube sound", you refer to  a web browser (which?) playing back videos on youtube.com?
[21:21] <AppXprt> pkill chrome
[21:21] <baako> tomreyn: nope
[21:21] <AppXprt> actually have to execute that twice
[21:22] <baako> even weechat is giving me sound now when you tag my name
[21:22] <tomreyn> AppXprt: how do you know which web browser baako is using?
[21:22] <baako> and i didnt need to close that
[21:22] <AppXprt> yea man you can't switch audio device and expect a browser to catch the change, it has already started and set to whatever device / drivers were set at execution time
[21:22] <creamme> lordcirth_, mk.  Nvidia drivers 418 are not working, the display only shows ASCII, I have SSH access; any ideas to trouble shoot
[21:22] <baako> tomreyn: works now
[21:23] <baako> closed firefox and opened it again. Thanks for your help
[21:23] <AppXprt> it doesn't matter which browser he is using, but most people use chrome and he's already a google user being on youtube so pretty safe assumption
[21:23] <lordcirth_> creamme, the usual; look at logs. syslog, gdm, Xorg.0.log
[21:23] <tomreyn> baako: so by undoing the steps you did when you followed a manual not written for your operating system, you (re-)fixed sound.
[21:23] <OerHeks> creamme, ssh is text only, unless you fix this with screen forwarding.
[21:23] <baako> tomreyn: lol
[21:24] <AppXprt> so restarting firefox brought sound to it too?
[21:24] <AppXprt> it was bound to other device/driver...
[21:25] <tomreyn> baako: the documentation you followed is official, is from Canonoical (the company behind Ubuntu), but is not for Ubuntu Desktop but for Ubuntu Core, a minimal OS for a very specific use case (IoT), not for Desktops.
[21:25] <tomreyn> *Canonical
[21:25] <creamme> lordcirth_, thanks That will get me started
[21:35] <qwebirc62741> I need help, trying to install apache2 and now i have an error
[21:35] <kadiro> qwebirc62741, which error
[21:37] <qwebirc62741> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2jFH7WfHWk/
[21:39] <xamithan> What port is it trying to run on qwebirc62741
[21:40] <qwebirc62741> 80 and 443
[21:40] <blackflow> qwebirc62741: "The Apache error log may have more information"
[21:40] <OerHeks> hint: /var/log/apache/
[21:41] <xamithan> Yeah that's not very descriptive error
[21:42] <blackflow> systemd only knows the service failed but doesn't know why because apache is not (sys)logging or using sd notify. consult the apache logs for details on why it failed.
[21:44] <qwebirc62741> this is what i got in error.log in apache2 folder
[21:44] <qwebirc62741> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WcSXzf4D4k/
[21:45] <qwebirc62741> or is it better way to completely remove apache from my system (and if yes what is the best way for it) thanks in advance i am still learning this
[21:46] <OerHeks> https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-45/product_id-66/version_id-241078/Apache-Http-Server-2.4.29.html drop that version
[21:47] <blackflow> qwebirc62741: btw, it appears your first paste is truncated. can you please add --no-pager to that same journalctl command you did? line 1 seems to suggest the reason for failure
[21:51] <qwebirc62741> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QmkRNynX6H/ here you go the no pager one
[21:52] <OerHeks> qwebirc62741, how did you install that old apache2?
[21:53] <qwebirc62741> followed the tutorial but installed it as a root user
[21:53] <qwebirc62741> then i completely removed it ( watched another tut) and installed as admin with sudo power
[21:53] <OerHeks> qwebirc62741, and what ubuntu version is this?
[21:53] <qwebirc62741> 18.04
[22:08] <jcb2016> how well does powertop work in ubuntu?
[22:12] <jcotton> did freenode split?
[22:12] <dax> jcotton: yes
[22:12] <jcotton> ah
[22:14] <Tr1nk> hello
[22:14] <Tr1nk> im Starmax and i run Slackware :P
[22:14] <Tr1nk> Slackware64 14.2
[22:14] <OerHeks> Tr1nk, nice, format your hdd and install ubuntu
[22:15] <OerHeks> !ot
[22:15] <Tr1nk> OerHeks: it doesnt work like debian of whatever..onlhy slackware run this pc
[22:15] <OerHeks> oke, bye!
[22:16] <Tr1nk> netsplit ??
[22:17] <dax> Tr1nk: yes
[22:17] <Tr1nk> It think ill not stay
[22:17] <OerHeks> !netsplit
[22:17] <Tr1nk> im a netsplit
[22:17] <Tr1nk> very kwel
[22:33] <Deihmos> How much memory is this app using? It is 207MB? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wC8SMlkJ/Annotation%202019-04-22%20182933.png
[22:34] <hggdh> Deihmos: yes
[22:34] <OerHeks> + 42 mb bla bla like they tell you in #debian
[22:41]  * kadiro wondering from where those trollers come from
[22:45] <jeffrey_f> I have a laptop with ssd and a HDD.  I want to move my home folder to the empty HDD, need steps to do this (18.10, will be moving to 19.04) Alternatively, is there a way I can do this during the install process (more than happy to reinstall).
[22:51] <qwebirc99334> I am having some issues around ssh, and trawling google for answers has not been that successful.
[22:51] <qwebirc99334> In short, I have a server with a static IP on my network, which I can ssh to from windows machines, but not my linux laptop.
[22:51] <qwebirc99334> However, I can ssh from the server to my linux laptop. The linux laptop can ssh to my router, so ssh in itself is working.
[22:51] <qwebirc99334> All machines are sitting on the same network, and they are wired (I have the problem still if I go wireless).
[22:51] <hohum> auth-client-config is missing from 19.04.   Any hints on how to get LDAP authentication going without it?
[22:52] <qwebirc99334> If I nmap from the server to its own address, I get two ports open, 22 and 5432, which is expected.
[22:52] <qwebirc99334> If I nmap from the laptop to the server, I only get port 22.
[22:52] <qwebirc99334> I can telnet to both ports on the server from windows, but not from the linux laptop.
[22:52] <qwebirc99334> When I try to ssh from the laptop to the server, I get this "Apr 22 22:12:32 optimus sshd[18105]: Connection from 192.168.1.37 port 39708 on 192.168.1.201 port 22" "Apr 22 22:12:32 optimus sshd[18105]: Connection closed by 192.168.1.37 port 39708 [preauth]". If I telnet on 22, I can clearly see that it is up and running.
[22:53] <qwebirc99334> When I run scp on the server to copy files from the laptop, the connection often closes prematurely without any warning whatsoever.
[22:53] <qwebirc99334> When the laptop starts up, tcpdump shows loads of packets coming in from the linux laptop. None if telnet on 5432.
[22:53] <qwebirc99334> Any ideas?
[22:54] <hohum> what version of openssh is running on the laptop and what version of openssh is running on the server?   You may be running into issues with deprecated key and encryption methods
[22:54] <hohum> if the laptop is < 7.0 it's time for an upgrade
[22:56] <qwebirc99334> ok, let me check. the server should be alright, it was installed a week ago or so.
[22:56] <qwebirc99334> the client on both machines is OpenSSH_7.6p1 Ubuntu-4ubuntu0.3, OpenSSL 1.0.2n  7 Dec 2017
[22:57] <qwebirc99334> Let me check the version of sshd on the server
[22:57] <donofrio_> help what am I missing - http://paste.opensuse.org/90145537 (it's ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS running on PowerBookG4 A1010 - I know it works and I have it on ethernet but as of this netinstall it's not happy about networking)
[22:59] <qwebirc99334> OpenSSH_7.6p1 Ubuntu-4ubuntu0.3, OpenSSL 1.0.2n  7 Dec 2017 on the server as well.
[23:01] <tomreyn> donofrio_: there's #ubuntu-powerpc for this port.
[23:02] <donofrio_> yah my bad
[23:15] <shreds> hi! let's say I installed ubuntu budgie but I stopped using budgie for another DE. can I safely remove the meta packages for ubuntu-budgie without messing my system up? will it uninstall network-related stuff? I would like keep only my i3wm setup and get rid of the rest. But I fear it would mess up the entire system. Any suggestions? Thanks!
[23:17] <Noisette> blanchi
[23:17] <tomreyn> shreds: if you have the other DE's meta package installed and watch out that it doesn't get uninstalled as you remove the old DE's packages, you should be fine.
[23:18] <shreds> @tomreyn
[23:18] <tomreyn> oh, i'm not sure how you installed i3wm, oyu'd need to make sure you don't uninstall any of its dependencies.
[23:19] <shreds> thanks for the answer! my current DE has no meta package so would you suggest getting rid of ubuntu-budgie meta package and replacing it with another like xubuntu's or ubuntu's normal meta package?
[23:19] <shreds> FYI I'm on 18.04.2 LTS
[23:19] <shreds> tomreyn: I see ok; I compiled it
[23:20] <tomreyn> you can just keep ubuntu-minimal installed and make sure you keep the other packages your current DE depends on installed as you tear down budgie
[23:21] <tomreyn> when you're done, pretend to install ubuntu-desktop (but dont do it, use -s) to see what you're maybe missing out on
[23:21] <shreds> @tomreyn I wonder if it will uninstall my "login manager" (the UI thing that ask for user/pass)
[23:22] <shreds> @tomreyn good tip, thanks a lot for the help
[23:22] <tomreyn> possible, you should keep some  login manager installed
[23:22] <shreds> I guess this can't go too wrong in the end hehe
[23:23] <shreds> I'll take it one step at a time and see how it goes
[23:23] <tomreyn> apt logs are in /var/log/apt/ in case something goes wrong
[23:23] <shreds> good to know :P
[23:23] <jcotton> what is var even for?
[23:23] <jcotton> seems to be a misc folder
[23:28] <atheodo> hi i am looking for something like webex to work on ubuntu
[23:29] <atheodo> are you aware of a collaboration swite that will work?
[23:29] <atheodo> tried webex but it will not work
[23:29] <tomreyn> !fhs | jcotton
[23:29] <atheodo> why would you want to manipulate the file strcuture?
[23:30] <glick> hi does anyone know why the darktable icon is black instead of the typical colored wheel when i installed it just now?
[23:31] <gofio> I have installed xubuntu into a 16g usb from another usb with a live session. Now I understand I have to remove the usb with the live session and it will boot from the installed usb, isn't it
[23:31] <tomreyn> atheodo: vnc is the common utility for remote graphical login and desktop sharing. there is also x2go.
[23:32] <OerHeks> gofio, like you did tons of times before
[23:32] <gofio> u seem to know better about me than myself OerHeks but dunno what u're talking about, sorry
[23:33] <OerHeks> gofio, come on, you ask something you already did before... really
[23:33] <gofio> sure OerHeks, whatever u say
[23:34] <atheodo> scratch that, webex works just fine
[23:34] <atheodo> on 64 bit
[23:34] <atheodo> not sure why there are reports that only works on 32 bit
[23:46] <Kareem> Hello!
[23:46] <glick> hey does anyone know why the darktable application uses the dark icon instead of the colorful one?
[23:46] <glick> i just installed it form the store
[23:46] <Eickmeyer> !patience | glick
[23:48] <Kareem> I have a weird question! I installed a software on ubuntu, however, the software refused to run due to an error reading the license! ... when i tried to run the same software on a virtual machine or live disk of the same ubuntu it worked.... i tried to reinstall ubuntu too many times but it never works. Any suggestions?
[23:49] <glick> what software Kareem?
[23:50] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I have e1000e.ko in two places. The new version is: /lib/modules/4.18.0-15-generic/updates/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko. How do I pass that path to depmod, to tell depmod to find this when I do a modprobe e1000e ?
[23:50] <Kareem> The error is exactly as follows.... flexnet license error -77 Bad version number - must be floating point number, with no letters
[23:51] <Kareem> The software is Design Compiler by synopsys
[23:52] <Kareem> The thing that's getting me crazy is that it works with the same license when installed in a virtual machine or live disk ...
[23:54] <RandomGuyOnIrc> ln -s /lib/modules/4.18.0-15-generic/updates/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko /lib/modules/`uname -r`   I think
[23:55] <Kareem> It works on the live disk, when i install it from the same live disk it shows the error
[23:55] <Kareem> I thought it might be something with my bios settings but all seemed ok
[23:55] <Kareem> I tried to change the network adapter settings and set its name to eth0 but still the problem wasnt solved
[23:56] <RandomGuyOnIrc> yep that worked
[23:57] <p0a> Hello how do I install the R programming language ?
[23:57] <p0a> I've tried apt-get install r-base but I don't know what command to run next
[23:58] <Kareem> May be just type r-base in a terminal? Or check ur software list
[23:58] <p0a> r-base doesn't do it
[23:59] <p0a> it's `R' ladies and gentlemen
[23:59] <p0a> capital R. lol
[23:59] <Kareem> Was about to say
[23:59] <Kareem> U can also find it in the menu under the name RStudio
[23:59] <p0a> cheers
[23:59] <glick> hey does apt-get install use snaps? or does only the store use snaps?