[01:21] <jcb2016> wxl: do you work for Ubuntu?
[01:27] <jcb2016_> Stupid iPhone
[08:02] <wxl[m]> jcb2016: well Ubuntu isn't a company. Canonical is and they provide much of the backing and infrastructure for Ubuntu. I don't work for Canonical, but I do volunteer for Ubuntu (you can, too!)
[08:35] <Mr_Coder> hi
 Anyone using linuxdcpp? It was available in LTS versions but nit in 19.04 I checked the launchpad page and ppa. Last commit is way before last LTS release but it was there in 18.04. can't find it in disco repos.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Anyone using linuxdcpp? It was available in LTS versions but nit in 19.04 I chec …], ^Wxl: @tsimonq2 @kc2bez @HMollerCl  ?
 I'm not an admin here yet. :( But maybe @teward001 can swoop by and help us out.
 Oh you weren't asking about the Spam.
 I don't know anything about that package.
 Is it from a ppa @The_LoudSpeaker ?
 @kc2bez [Is it from a ppa @The_LoudSpeaker ?], No it is already there in bionic repos. It has a separate daily build ppa. I checked that ppa and dingo repos. Can't find it in anyone of them.
 I mean I added daily ppo and run apt update, it says no release file for dingo.
 And without that daily ppa, I searched for it using synaptic, couldn't find it.
 Here is the launchpad page: … https://launchpad.net/linuxdcpp/ … @kc2bez
[13:26] <kc2bez> Doesn't look like much activity. I think you would have to ask in #linuxdc++ @The_LoudSpeaker
 Just did that.
 There are only 2 people there other than me. Waiting for them to reply.
[13:28] <kc2bez> You will likely have to wait a while then. Seems like possibly a dead project.
 @The_LoudSpeaker first time I hear about it.
 from the name I though it was a cpp compiler for linux
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> You will likely have to wait a while then. Seems like possibly a dead p …], Yup! But I hope it's not. I use it extensively. We share movies, games, shows, tutorials, softwares and what not! I have to use windows to use dc coz it's not available in disco.
 @HMollerCl [from the name I though it was a cpp compiler for linux], It's a quite useful and decent program to share files over intranet.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Yup! But I hope it's not. I use it extensively. We share movies, games, shows, t …], you can build it on your own, and/or you could package it for everyone to use.
 everyone in *ubuntu
 @HMollerCl [you can build it on your own, and/or you could package it for everyone to use.], I tried building it. It has some had troubles couldn't build. It gave many errors even though I followed exact procedures. About packaging it, I might try. But I need help. Can't do it alone.
 ok, I haven't pacaged myself, I need to doi thought
 we could travel that path together
 but first, you need to be able to build it
[14:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup! I will try building it tonight. I will take logs of the build process. Also I am still waiting for any reply on #linuxdc++
[14:24] <cristina_> ciao
 @The_LoudSpeaker you could try to fork it for qt also ;)
 or make a qt gui for it
[14:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> I haven't tried to fork anything before and I am not a pro like wxl or simon here. I would be happy rn even if I could build it tonight. But yeah I am ready to try. Lets see where this goes.
[14:34] <The_LoudSpeaker> Btw, what are you packaging rn?
 @HMollerCl ^
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@HMollerCl ^], I need to package the update notifier for lubuntu.
 This month I don't have much time to do it thought
 @HMollerCl [This month I don't have much time to do it though], Same. Have end sems coming up.
 sorry for the ignorant question, you use north or south hemisphere semesters?
 no need to reply, just realized yo are in northern hemisphere.
[17:01] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker that sounds like an absolutely deplorable protocol. why not use something else like private torrents or something?
[17:04] <wxl> text based (unencrypted), centralized, no specification so every client and server is reverse engineered, to name a few things
[17:04] <wxl> even advanced direct connect suffers many problems
 We have various restrictions on the network here. Cyberroam. Can't use torrents. DC is fine for us now.
[17:08] <wxl> except when the software isn't available
[17:10] <wxl> what are the actual restrictions? is it just port closing or are they doing actual data monitoring?
 @wxl [<wxl> except when the software isn't available], Next we are getting sophos. Maybe that changes things. … For windows and macs dc++ or eskaltdc work well. Few people use linux and among them there are few like me use non-LTS versions of ubuntu. So it's not a major problem either. But it feels bad that such good program i
[17:12] <wxl> i think maybe the bigger issue is that the protocol is really poorly defined
 @wxl [<wxl> what are the actual restrictions? is it just port closing or are they doin …], Port closing and website restrictions mostly. We are trying to get IRC unblocked.
[17:13] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker in that case you could just specify ports to use for torrent traffic. done.
[17:13] <wxl> or use a vpn!
 @wxl [<wxl> i think maybe the bigger issue is that the protocol is really poorly defin …], I don't think so. The dc++ and apexdc++ for windows are in active development.
[17:13] <wxl> i'm not talking about the *SOFTWARE* but i'm talking about the *PROTOCOL*
[17:14] <wxl> example: bit torrent is a protocol. transmission is software.
[17:14] <wxl> or: irc is a protocol. irssi is the only client anyone should ever use. well, except maybe weechat.
 @wxl [<wxl> or use a vpn!], Vpns cause reduction in speeds. 1500MB bandwidth is wasted.
[17:15] <wxl> so what about speed if you get what you want?
[17:15] <wxl> cuz right now it's sounding like you're not going to
 @wxl [<wxl> i'm not talking about the *SOFTWARE* but i'm talking about the *PROTOCOL*], Yeah I know. I meant to say that protocol must be fine as they are still developing applications for windows and macos which work on that protocol.
[17:15] <wxl> still means nothing
 I haven't studied the protocol of dc. Will read it up and then say anything.
 @wxl [<wxl> so what about speed if you get what you want?], No one wants 200Kbps.
 Especially when you pay 4 lakhs per year.
 Hey! Wxl, the protocol seems fine. … Here: … https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Connect_(protocol)
[17:46] <tomreyn> how's this fine? "There is no official specification of the protocol, meaning that every client and hub (besides the original NeoModus client and hub) has been forced to reverse engineer the information. As such, any protocol specification this article may reference is likely inaccurate and/or incomplete."
[17:47] <kc2bez> This part seemed scary too "The Direct Connect protocol is a text-based computer protocol, in which commands and their information are sent in clear text, without encryption"
 `ERROR: KILL IT WITH FIRE`
[17:49] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker that's where i read about how crappy it was XD
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> This part seemed scary too "The Direct Connect protocol is a text-based …], It's fine for us as we use it only inside campus. Not internationally.
[17:51] <wxl> ^^^ because i'm sure there's NO ONE inside campus with malicious intent
 Well wxl shall we create a new protocol then? XD
[17:51] <wxl> nope. there's too many of them already.
[17:52] <kc2bez> Some even have encryption.
[17:52] <wxl> s/some/nearly all/
[17:53] <wxl> i just discovered this recently https://onionshare.org/
[17:54] <tomreyn> that's over tor, you don't wan tthis if you want speed
[17:54] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_transfer_protocols
[17:56] <tomreyn> more llikely, if thaT's ok with the network admins, you want p2p, thoough
[17:59] <wxl> i like how dc isn't even on there
[17:59] <wxl> which is fairly telling
[18:02] <kc2bez> Not sure about speeds and you proably can't send a full size movie but I might even trust firefox send first https://www.wired.com/story/firefox-send-encrypted-large-files/
[19:47] <tomreyn> The_LoudSpeaker: so if bittorrent is forbidden (why? too many packets? or because "bittorrent = terrorism"?), then I guess RetroShare would be my next choice.
[19:48] <tomreyn> at least for your use case