[01:16] <jibel> hi all
[01:26] <willcooke> morning all
[01:40] <willcooke> morning pieq
[01:41] <willcooke> I took those crimps off your desk and gave them to cwayne
[01:58] <kenvandine> good morning willcooke and jibel
[01:59] <willcooke> hi kenvandine, how goes?
[01:59] <pieq> willcooke, perfect! I forgot to give them back to you yesterday, sorry!
[01:59] <willcooke> :D
[01:59] <kenvandine> willcooke: good
[01:59] <kenvandine> opening up stable/ubuntu-19.10 channels for arm64 snaps for xnox :)
[02:00] <kenvandine> he's building images
[05:57] <pieq> jibel, willcooke : Tonghua Night Market. It's all along the Linjiang street, so the easiest way to get there is: https://frama.link/adBP0wkA
[06:04] <jibel> pieq, thanks
[06:35] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:35] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN
[06:35] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke
[06:36] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN, willcooke
[06:36] <oSoMoN> everything alright in the East ?
[06:36] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[06:37] <willcooke> hey didrocks
[06:37] <willcooke> all good here!
[06:38] <willcooke> jibel is looking for more scary things to eat
[06:38] <oSoMoN> :)
[06:40] <jibel> willcooke, https://iot.eclipse.org/resources/iot-developer-survey/iot-developer-survey-2019.pdf
[06:41] <willcooke> thx
[07:09] <mpt> Laney, update-manager has explicitly said “I don’t want to be focused” when it opens automatically. Maybe that signal has gotten lost, or maybe Mutter is ignoring it?
[07:57] <marcustomlinson> morning jibel willcooke kenvandine oSoMoN didrocks
[07:57] <willcooke> hi marcustomlinson
[07:58] <jibel> Hey marcustomlinson
[07:59] <marcustomlinson> If you go home without an upset stomach jibel I'll be impressed :P
[08:00]  * marcustomlinson got an upset stomach just seeing the photos...
[08:02] <Laney> yo
[08:02] <marcustomlinson> yo Laney
[08:05] <willcooke> morining Laney
[08:08] <didrocks> good morning marcustomlinson, Laney!
[08:20] <Laney> hi marcustomlinson willcooke didrocks, what's new?
[08:21] <didrocks> Laney: nothing much, yourself?
[08:21] <marcustomlinson> this job :P
[08:23] <didrocks> heh
[08:27] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:27] <marcustomlinson> morning seb128
[08:27] <Laney> marcustomlinson: don't worry, soon you'll be old like us
[08:27] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:27] <Laney> didrocks: also not too much
[08:27] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, Laney
[08:27] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:27] <Laney> clematis looking good this morning #smallthings
[08:28] <seb128> :-)
[08:28] <Laney> moin seb128, how's it going?
[08:28] <seb128> good! we had a nice dinner at the restaurant yesterday evening :-)
[08:30] <seb128> shame that summer is gone though, that was nice
[08:30] <Laney> there's always 2020
[08:31] <marcustomlinson> Scotland's 2018 summer was beautiful. Last year it was a Thursday
[08:32] <willcooke> :dd
[08:32] <willcooke> ;DD
[08:33] <oSoMoN> :)
[08:42] <GunnarHj> Good morning seb128, Laney! Do any of you have time to review the MP:s at bug #1823778?
[08:42] <ubot5`> bug 1823778 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Bionic) "Unable to set Serbian as Language" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1823778
[08:45] <Laney> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH thanks, will try to soon
[08:47] <seb128> hey GunnarHj
[08:47] <seb128> thx laney
[08:49] <GunnarHj> Laney: Ok.
[10:43] <xnox> didrocks, jibel - can i ask you questions about canary images? =)
[10:43] <xnox> i see that livefs builds complete, but then nothing gets published.
[10:44] <xnox> i.e. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20190425.1/
[10:45] <xnox> in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/eoan/daily-live-20190425.1.log
[10:45] <xnox> it looks like it is trying things, but then does nothing useful
[10:45] <xnox> [10:45] <xnox> Thu Apr 25 08:17:17 UTC 2019
[10:45] <xnox> No desktop image for amd64!
[10:45] <xnox> No images produced!
[10:45] <xnox> this in turn breaks the CI of regular Ubuntu desktop images. As utah, can't handle empty 25.1 publication
[10:46] <xnox> can the canary images, somehow not publish into the regular ubuntu desktop location? and not polute the /daily-images location?
[10:48] <xnox> oh it looks like today CI managed to catch 25 build of desktop https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/view/Eoan/
[10:48] <xnox> so testing is all good.
[10:48] <xnox> still interested in canary images, and whether you expect ubuntu-cdimage to actually publish something. Or are you only interested in cronned livefs builds at the moment?
[10:55] <Laney> there was an MR
[10:55] <Laney> sil2100 was looking at it and needed to discuss it with vorlon or something
[10:55] <Laney> IIRC
[10:59] <sil2100> Yeah, let me poke Steve about that
[10:59] <sil2100> I'd like his input on how we should proceed
[10:59]  * sil2100 writes that down not to forget
[11:01] <xnox> ah, i see.
[11:01] <xnox> right, cause i looked around on what's deployed, and it didn't look like there were enough pieces to assemble and publish canary
[11:02] <Laney> https://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/ubuntu-cdimage/support_ubuntu_subproject/+merge/365598
[11:03] <Laney> Trevinho: if you want to rebase your mutter/shell and prepare SRU bugs I can upload those
[11:03] <sil2100> xnox: yeah, it's not ready yet, it's running as a subproject now so each build of canary is separate from the ubuntu desktop one so it results in an unnecessary publisher bump
[11:03] <sil2100> xnox: we could just enable it to publish, but I'm not sure it that's the right way to go
[11:04] <xnox> ack
[11:04] <sil2100> xnox: anyway, subprojects were never really supposed to be used for things like these
[11:04] <xnox> yeah
[11:04] <xnox> sil2100, wait till i ask for arm64 desktop images ;-)
[11:04] <sil2100> xnox: if it's a separate image, it should be a separate project most probably ;p
[11:04] <sil2100> eeek
[11:05] <xnox> sil2100, or like a subarch.
[11:05] <xnox> sil2100, canary could be a subarch
[11:06] <sil2100> Yeah, or that
[11:06] <sil2100> Would be weird but yeah
[11:06] <sil2100> At least it would 'work correctly' ;)
[11:32] <andyrock> Laney: hi! I took a look at https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/824c3c31a0b9558002bb74699b5542c32e7396ad
[11:32] <andyrock> can it be that during the upgrade from cosmic to disco tracker-store is started before the glib schemas are compiled/installed
[11:33] <andyrock> ?
[11:33] <Laney> hi andyrock
[11:34] <Laney> if something runs it, like via d-bus activation, I guess that could happen
[11:34] <andyrock> and how can we prevent it? like masking the systemd unit until the schemas are installed
[11:34] <Laney> it's not considered 'installed' by dpkg until the schemas are compiled
[11:34] <Laney> but the files are there on the system
[11:34] <Laney> so you can run it
[11:34] <Laney> any idea what that thing is?
[11:35] <andyrock> nope, maybe nautilus but I'm not sure
[11:36] <andyrock> would it be possible to mask tracker-store.service until the schemas are compiled? Some magic trick in debian/rules
[11:39] <Laney> not that I know of
[11:44]  * Laney doesn't have a cool idea right now
[11:47] <Laney> it's pretty far from the only thing that could go wrong if you use your system while we're in the middle of performing open heart surgery on it
[11:56] <andyrock> yeah, it's not a big issue because it should be a one time issue but we're going to hit the problem again when people will upgrade from bionic to ff
[11:56] <andyrock> if the cause is really this
[12:17] <didrocks> xnox: we asked sil2100 to publish the image, we have a PR which is needed, but maybe not enough and unreviewed for some weeks (the one Laney pointed out). Last I heard it's in foundation's hand :)
[12:17] <didrocks> so keep us posted, we would really like to have that image published
[12:28] <xnox> =)
[12:28] <xnox> har har
[12:32] <sil2100> didrocks: I disagree that it's unreviewed!
[12:33] <sil2100> didrocks: but yes, it is not enough
[12:33] <sil2100> ;)
[12:37] <didrocks> sil2100: I think this is the exact case subprojects would have some meaning, if we don't want to use them, they should be removed from cdimage and such :)
[12:38] <didrocks> sil2100: but I still think that the argument is passed to ubuntu-cdimage, to be ignored (this is why the tests were passing), which is a weird implementation IMHO :p
[12:38] <didrocks> still, there is no course of action hence the "unreviewed" (by the architect)
[12:39] <didrocks> (I really think that using another project for this, like it used to be for ubuntu-server-live is a hack)
[12:45] <sil2100> didrocks: yeah, actually this was my original understanding of how subprojects should work, but then it turned out it's not - and that actually it's best not to use subprojects if not needed ;p
[12:46] <sil2100> didrocks: I guess as per Dimitri's proposition, currently we *could* use subarchs for this, even though conceptually that's not the best fi
[12:46] <sil2100> *fit
[12:47] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, don't really like this proposal as well (more hacks on hacks :p) but if subproject is going to be decommissioned, turning this in a real project is fine as well
[12:47] <didrocks> sil2100: I'll let you follow up on this. Hoping that next week we can have daily published images :)
[14:08] <xnox> is wubi and lupin-casper dead?
[14:10] <xnox> omg it's still going strong https://github.com/hakuna-m/wubiuefi/releases
[15:16] <Trevinho> sil2100: hey, would you add eoan to bileto?
[15:17] <sil2100> Trevinho: sure o/
[15:17] <sil2100> Wanted to do that yesterday but then... I forgot
[15:17] <sil2100> ;(
[15:17] <sil2100> Let me do that after the weekly meeting
[16:59] <sil2100> Trevinho: eoan's in Bileto now o/
[18:45] <Trevinho> sil2100: thanks :)
[18:45] <Trevinho> Laney: I will, but in hols now so, I'll do it next week at this point... I guess there's not too much hurry for it
[18:46] <Laney> sure, not from me anyway