[01:22] <lotuspsychje> tnx for topic dax
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> Lowl3v3l: welcome
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> Lowl3v3l: we dont really reccomend upgrading to a daily
[11:28] <Lowl3v3l> I know.
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> Lowl3v3l: the reason is, if some bug occur, the devs will have hard work to seperate where it comes from
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> Lowl3v3l: if you want to help testing 19.10, we advice a clean daily
[11:29] <Lowl3v3l> Okay. But this still does not answer my question why do-release-upgrade is blocking
[11:30] <Lowl3v3l> because either I fundamentally do not understand something about my system or it has a bug
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> not sure, maybe they block upgrade -d in early stage?
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> Lowl3v3l: is your system up to date?
[11:31] <Lowl3v3l> according to apt dist-upgrade it is
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> Lowl3v3l: also, in this early stage, 19.10 doesnt differ much from 19.04 yet, maybe that could also be a reason, why you cant upgrade yet
[11:32] <Lowl3v3l> ubottu: already did so.
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> its like you would upgrade to the same version
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> same kernel too probably atm
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> we have some bug testers running 19.10 already
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> i know one of the crew changed his sources to the 19.10 ones
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> just keep in mind, clean daily is the normal way to go
[11:47] <Lowl3v3l> I know. I am doing this more for shits and giggles. But even if all packages were the same, do-release-upgrade should be able to set the sources.list accordingly et cetera
[11:49] <Lowl3v3l> But thanks for your help anyway
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> np Lowl3v3l 
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> the member changed sources just joined
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> wanna talk to him Lowl3v3l ?
[11:51] <Lowl3v3l> if he has time, sure :)
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> Lowl3v3l: talk to BluesKaj :p
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Lowl3v3l, I edited my /etc/apt/sources.list  with sed command like so: sudo sed -i 's/disco/eoan/' /etc/apt/sources.list , then update and upgrade. Make sure your 19.04 packages are updated and upgraded first tho
[11:56] <Lowl3v3l> Hey BluesKaj, I was told you might have some insight on a little problem of mine. I just tried upgrading my 19.04(which has no third party repos or ppas and is fully updated itself) to development using do-release-upgrade -d. I am aware that a clean install is the better way, but do-release-upgrade -d tells me to upgrade my packages even though apt dist-upgrade is unable to find any outdated ones. Any idea on why it is behaving that wa
[11:56] <Lowl3v3l> y? I am aware of the manual way to update, but my problem really centers around this behaviour that i just dont understand
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Lowl3v3l, I don't understand your concern about  "unable to find any outdated packages", that shouldn't be included in any upgrade
[12:00] <BluesKaj> if you have ppas, remove them just for safety's sake
[12:00] <Lowl3v3l> BluesKaj: my concern is that do-release-upgrade does not work because it tells me to update my packages even though according to apt all my packages are on the latest version
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> Lowl3v3l: can you pastebin the output please
[12:02] <BluesKaj> do-release-upgrade -d probly isn't working because the archive isn't ready yet
[12:02] <Lowl3v3l> BluesKaj: okay so lotuspsychje was right after all and I am not stupid :) thank you
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah told Lowl3v3l its still in early stage atm
[12:03] <albert23> sudo DEBUG_UPDATE_MANAGER=yes  do-release-upgrade -d shows it reads https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development which doesn't list 19.10 yet
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> tnx albert23 
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Lowl3v3l, i ran it as well and there was nothing availabe
[12:05] <BluesKaj> the dailies are out for clean installers, but it's still early days for the archives
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: that was on kubuntu right?
[12:05] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> maybe they are faster?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> not sure
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> or would it be the same as albert23 says
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> not added yet
[12:06] <BluesKaj> yeah, too early
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> looks like you will have to marry a daily Lowl3v3l :p
[12:07] <BluesKaj> it usually takes a couple of weeks for the repos/archives iiirc
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> yeah but this time dailys showed up real quick
[12:08] <BluesKaj> for clean installers 
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> yes
[12:10] <BluesKaj> one can edit the sources.list tho and that will work, as i mentioned above
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Lowl3v3l,, you may have to switch your server in muon to the "main server" which is in the UK
[12:12] <BluesKaj> or synaptic, which ever package manager you use
[12:13] <Lowl3v3l> the german server seems to have the packages already.
[12:13] <BluesKaj> ok good