[00:00] <tomreyn> route309: you could try asking this in ##hardware and maybe in ##linux if they're ok with polls. here we only do ubuntu support.
[00:00] <route309> oohh sorry about that @tomreyn.. new to IRC :)
[00:01] <donofrio_> tomreyn, lightdm is already the newest version
[00:01] <tomreyn> route309: no worries then. be sure to always read the channel /topic 's
[00:01] <donofrio_> OerHeks, I get rooms confused too often....I do not know if snaps were out for anything under 18.04.....let alone ppc ;)
[00:02] <tomreyn> entrepreneur_: if you'Re saying you installed, system-wide, a pythin version which differs from the one your ubuntu release came with, then i think you won a free re-install training.
[00:16] <donofrio_> I'm only useing 'ports' version because the 46mb mini.iso wouldn't start networking or whatever was missing after 3 hours of installing where after three hours installing from this 76mb mini ports iso allows me to at least be this far....
[00:17] <donofrio_> I have no tty7 or tty8 so how to get gui going.....just wanting help I'll go back to lurk if needed....would like to not run gui as root
[00:18] <donofrio_> lightdm has been installed since I installed
[00:18] <donofrio_> I added gdm3 but kept lightdm as the preferred thought that was fav for xfce4
[00:20] <Myth> Questions: When installing Ubuntu 18.04 on its own, clean, blankc SSD alongside another SSD with Windows 10, is the automatic configuration going to install Grub? If so, where? Also, will it install Swap? Is this needed? Should I do a custom install (i.e. select "Something Else" when prompted)?
[00:20] <Myth> Note, I have everything set up for UEFI, Secure Boot and Fast Boot off
[00:22] <Sveta> hi all! i'm looking for a talking face application (with moving lips and face expression). something like lucia or botlibre that is more linux friendly and can be self hosted. any suggestions? :)
[00:25] <Myth> To rephrase: Will the Ubuntu installation process automatically set up swap space and Grub? Or must I choose "Something Else" and do it manually?
[00:26] <Sveta> Myth, i don't think you should do it manually, mine offered it automatically
[00:26] <Myth> Sveta, Oh, good. I was hoping. Did it set swap up too?
[00:26] <Sveta> yes
[00:27] <Myth> Thanks! I'll give it a go
[00:28] <Sveta> sure, make sure you have a backup of your everything before you begin. handy, even though it is not common for things to break
[00:29] <Myth> Sveta, Aye. Trying to decide on LVM now
[00:30] <Myth> Never used it
[00:31] <entrepreneur_> Thanks for your answrer tomreyn, I was trying reinstalling python3-apt but didn't work too
[00:33] <Sveta> Myth: lvm is ok
[00:34] <Myth> I'm just always nervous because sometimes I think something is going to be simple... and then it is not
[00:34] <tomreyn> entrepreneur_: use virtualenv's and not sudo, i guess this would work, but am not that much into python.
[00:34] <Myth> And then I have to reinstall Ubuntu for the 673rd time
[00:35] <Myth> I've probably spent a cumulative 19 1/2 months installing and troubleshooting
[00:36] <Sveta> Myth: why did your last install stop working?
[00:38] <Myth> Sveta, Well, the last install was a reinstall in itself. It was working great, but the Grub loader wasn't working. Figured out it may have been due to my Windows 10 install (separate drive) being legacy instead of UEFI. I've since converted it
[00:38] <Myth> Now everything except my cd drive will be UEFI
[00:39] <Myth> Still learning about UEFI
[00:40] <Myth> The last install was due to the previous one having an issue running Cinnamon via the embrosyn PPA after kernel software update. Unable to fix it even after removing and reinstalling from other sources, I axed it
[00:40] <Bashing-om> !uefi | Myth Seen this ? -
[00:42] <Sveta> Myth, is everything working except the cd drive?
[00:42] <Myth> Bashing-om, Thanks! Haven't seen that one
[00:43] <FreeBDSM> is there a way to reload nvidia driver without a reboot?
[00:43] <Myth> Sveta, It all works. I have BIOS set to run UEFI & Legacy
[00:43] <FreeBDSM> sometimes, quite rarely I get a weird bug when chromium and firefox stop playing videos at all
[00:43] <Myth> No clue how to have the cd drive in UEFI
[00:43] <FreeBDSM> for no good reason
[00:43] <Myth> Maybe too old even
[00:43] <FreeBDSM> I suspect that it's nvidia driver that is at fault
[00:43] <Myth> I harvested the cd drive from my old computer, so... yeah
[00:46] <Sveta> Myth, I am confused. is the cd drive working or not?
[00:49] <Myth> Sveta, So far as I can tell, it works
[00:49] <Myth> For a piece of crap, it works
[01:23] <hyperknot> hi, I'm trying to diagnose why I cannot reach a dedicated server running Ubuntu 18.04. I've finally been able to KVM in, but I'm kind of lost. What should I check to diagnose network access?
[01:24] <tomreyn> hyperknot: how are you normally connecting to it?
[01:24] <hyperknot> normally via ssh
[01:24] <hyperknot> now it's down, so is ping
[01:24] <tomreyn> sudo    lsof -i :22
[01:24] <hyperknot> all I have is a super bad quality KVM
[01:25] <hyperknot> tomreyn: I cannot even do ping 8.8.8.8
[01:25] <hyperknot> network is unreachable
[01:25] <hyperknot> via KMV
[01:25] <hyperknot> KVM
[01:25] <tomreyn> i assume it uses systemd-networkd for networking?
[01:25] <hyperknot> standard 18.04 I guess
[01:26] <tomreyn> networkctl
[01:26] <tomreyn> should list the state of network interfaces
[01:27] <hyperknot> it says routable configuring
[01:27] <tomreyn> i'll need to bring up a VM to compare it quickly
[01:28] <hyperknot> configuring is in yellow, probably it means bad
[01:28] <hyperknot> how can I check the latest installed packages?
[01:28] <tomreyn> it means it did not finish configuration, yet
[01:29] <tomreyn> less /var/log/apt/term.log or history.log
[01:29] <tomreyn> the former shows what actually happened, the latter shows the actions which were requested
[01:29] <tomreyn> so the latter is a bit higher level.
[01:31] <hyperknot> ok
[01:32] <tomreyn> "systemctl status network.target" and the same for "network-online.target" may help understand the state of things
[01:33] <hyperknot> it's online
[01:33] <hyperknot> both of these are good
[01:35] <tomreyn> does   networkctl status   report "routable" yet?
[01:36] <tomreyn> your system log since the latest reboot can be viewed using    journalctl -b
[01:36] <tomreyn> this may tell what happened to the network link
[01:37] <tomreyn> there'S probably a better / more specific way to find out, but i'm pretty new to systemd-networkd myself, still
[01:38] <hyperknot> networkct status is routable
[01:38] <tomreyn> so the status reported by just "networkctl" should have changed, too
[01:38] <tomreyn> the network interface status, that is.
[01:43] <tomreyn> hyperknot: how are you coming?
[01:43] <hyperknot> tomreyn: now I'm fighint with the KVM, it's unresponsive for some reason
[01:44] <tomreyn> hmm annoying, which hardware is it?
[01:44] <hyperknot> no idea, some kind of external system with analogue video input
[01:44] <hyperknot> hetzner server itself is quite nice, but this KVM is crazy
[01:45] <tomreyn> oh hetzner, so it's a spider
[01:45] <hyperknot> yes
[01:45] <tomreyn> those aren't great, but cheap. there are different generations. have them give you a current one, those are not as bad.
[01:46] <hyperknot> how do I know which generation is it?
[01:47] <tomreyn> not sure, i think it says somewhere in the help / about area
[01:50] <tomreyn> bottom right should tell https://wiki.hetzner.de/images/8/8b/LARA_Welcome.png
[01:52] <Amorphous> Looking for some help with x11vnc.  Under Ubuntu 18.04 if I run it manually I'm able to connect from a remote machine, but if I try to start it as a service I get an xauth error, unable to generate an authority file name
[01:52] <hyperknot> tomreyn: same version
[01:53] <tomreyn> well thsose are old but they have even older ones, so it may not get better than this,
[01:53] <tomreyn> anyways, this would be more a topic for #hetzner
[01:55] <hyperknot> tomreyn: thanks I'm trying that for the KVM
[01:57] <tomreyn> Amorphous: i haven't really set it up, yet, but assume that you'll need to run it under your systemd user session since everything X runs in the users context (and thus the xauthority file is owned by the user) with systemd
[01:58] <Krennic> i have a problem i install xfce4 desktop enviromewnt and when i click on the icon of the terminal emulator i get and error as there is not a terminal install
[01:59] <Krennic> oooops wrong channel i should've asked thin on xfce channel
[01:59] <Krennic> sorry
[01:59] <Amorphous> tomreyn: Is that something I would set in the .service file?
[02:00] <Amorphous> I'm not too familiar with systemd yet.  My last install was Ubuntu 12.04.
[02:02] <tomreyn> Amorphous: i have yet to learn about it as well. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User seems to provide a good overview
[02:02] <Amorphous> I'll give it a look, thanks
[02:05] <tomreyn> Amorphous: i assume this (non user session / service) guide may work with 18.04: https://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=12220
[02:09] <tomreyn> i thinkt he service file should actually go to /etc/systemd/system/ for user installed services, though
[02:11] <BenderRodriguez> So ubuntu
[02:11] <BenderRodriguez> I've come across something concerning
[02:11] <BenderRodriguez> I've blacklisted motd.ubuntu.com on my DNS server. Testing this on other hosts in my network confirms that I'm unable to resolve that address as intended
[02:12] <BenderRodriguez> but testing this with systemd-resolve on Ubuntu 18.04 shows that it's still able to resolve the address
[02:12] <BenderRodriguez> I double checked the systemd-resolve settings and it's set to point to my DNS server
[02:12] <BenderRodriguez> and clearing the cache has not alleviated the issue.
[02:12] <BenderRodriguez> So, the only conclusion is that Ubuntu server is somehow ignoring my DNS configuration
[02:15] <tomreyn> BenderRodriguez: i'm not sure about this, but there may be better ways to disable this functionality than just to have it fail DNS lookups. see /etc/default/motd-news
[02:20] <BenderRodriguez> tomreyn: I'm sure there's a way but I'm more concerned with the fact that Ubuntu seems to be able to resolve it on its own
[02:20] <BenderRodriguez> tomreyn: take a look https://i.imgur.com/CKuisOS.png
[02:21] <tomreyn> BenderRodriguez: i understand this, but there's nothing i could tell about it, i doubt this is hardcoded, but have not reviewed the code.
[02:22] <hyperknot> tomreyn: I got a new KVM
[02:22] <hyperknot> just so that I can continue
[02:22] <BenderRodriguez> alright, I'll see what linux has to say
[02:22] <hyperknot> networkctl shows configuring
[02:23] <tomreyn> hyperknot: see what i suggested above
[02:24] <hyperknot> tomreyn: i'm reading back but it's not obvious
 your system log since the latest reboot can be viewed using    journalctl -b
 "systemctl status network.target" and the same for "network-online.target" may help understand the state of things
[02:28] <hyperknot> both of those are goot
[02:28] <hyperknot> good
[02:29] <hyperknot> it's something with ip address. I've disabled IPv6 for this server, maybe it made some kind of conflict after reboot
[02:33] <xrandr> does 18 or 19 still use Compiz?
[02:33] <hyperknot> tomreyn: it was the ipv6 disable!
[02:33] <tomreyn> hyperknot: id so, the journal would probably tell, no?
[02:33] <tomreyn> *if
[02:33] <xrandr> also, i upgraded from 16.04 (i think?). It still had the unity desktop. Is it safe to remove the Unity desktop as I am now using the Default 18.04 desktop
[02:33] <hyperknot> yes, I got it from there
[02:33] <tomreyn> hyperknot: oh nice, you found it.
[02:34] <hyperknot> somehow the new systemd version has a bug with grub's ipv6 disabling
[02:34] <tomreyn> maybe you disabled ipv6 in the wrong way.
[02:34] <hyperknot> I added ipv6.disable=1 to /etc/default/grub and it's been working well for many months
[02:36] <rodrigot44> can anybody help me whenever i download video or pdf documents on a folder by firefox i dont get a clip of the document but document or video icons?
[02:36] <cfhowlett> rodrigot44, you sure you actually downloaded?  try youtube-dl to download a video and see that it actually works.
[02:37] <rodrigot44> cfhowlett: no not yutube file shring sites
[02:38] <tomreyn> hyperknot: hmm yes i think ipv6.disable=1 would work
[02:38] <hyperknot> tomreyn: it worked perfectly, until it made this with the latest update
[02:39] <hyperknot> how can I view previous logs so that I can make a bug report about it?
[02:39] <tomreyn> hyperknot: omit -b or step through boots with    -b -1    -b -2    etc.
[02:40] <rodrigot44> Bashing-om: do you have any file manager skills?
[02:41] <Bashing-om> rodrigot44: Depends on which file manager - what is the issue ?
[02:41] <rodrigot44> Bashing-om: its firefox i meant sorry!
[02:42] <Bashing-om> rodrigot44: Have not used FF in yers :(
[02:42] <hyperknot> tomreyn: and where should I open a bug report about it?
[02:44] <rodrigot44> Bashing-om:  crud figures
[02:44] <tomreyn> hyperknot: if you think it's a bug, and you checked this hasn't already been reported, run, on your server,     ubuntu-bug PACKAGENAME
[02:44] <rodrigot44> Bashing-om: do you know any other browser similar to firefox but lightweigh?
[02:46] <tomreyn> hyperknot: this will gather information from your system needed to examine the issue further and post it to the bug trakcer (publicly).
[02:47] <hyperknot> ok
[02:47] <tomreyn> rodrigot44: those two don't go together well, "like firefox" "but light-weight"
[02:49] <rodrigot44> tomreyn: hey i tried chrome and chromium but they dont have the top ment i dont like looking across the screen for functionality!
[02:49] <tomreyn> rodrigot44: maybe - not supported here - have a look at https://www.brow.sh/
[02:49] <rodrigot44> menu*
[02:49] <Bashing-om> rodrigot44: light-weight is something like elinks :)
[02:51] <rodrigot44> Bashing-om: nevermind not lightweight but a resiliant browser with the top menu
[02:52] <rodrigot44> file view bookmarks about etc
[02:53] <Bashing-om> rodrigot44: My GUI browser of choice is chromium.
[02:54] <rodrigot44> Bashing-om: so you never got pissed with the placement of the meny accros the screen!
[02:54] <OerHeks> all browsers have such 'file view bookmaks etc' menu
[02:54] <rodrigot44> OerHeks: nop not chrome or chromium
[02:55] <rodrigot44> you have to look across the screen to access the menu
[02:55] <OerHeks> well, you said top penel, and that is where they are, in gnome
[02:56] <rodrigot44> im not on gnome
[02:56] <OerHeks> bit i do not understand your actual question, about downloaded movies and pdf
[02:56] <Apachez> anyone else noticed that cpu is running about +10C hotter with ubuntu 19.04 than with 18.10?
[02:58] <cfhowlett> rodrigot44, again: an incomplete or damaged download can appear as a .pdf.  try to download a video then run command                file filename                to see the properties.
[02:58] <rodrigot44> cfhowlett: no its not damaged
[02:59] <rodrigot44> cfhowlett: in chrome i get the clips of the pdf or video files
[03:00] <rodrigot44> chrome or chromium is good
[03:00] <rodrigot44> but it doesnt have the top menu
[03:00] <rodrigot44> thumbnail clips
[03:00] <rodrigot44> sorry if i caused confusion
[03:01] <rodrigot44> ill repraise my question
[03:01] <rodrigot44> its gonna be show
[03:01] <tomreyn> !enter | rodrigot44
[03:02] <rodrigot44> oh sorry
[03:04] <rodrigot44> im having problems with firefox when i download a pdf or document it successfully downloads but firefox has a mind of its own and doesnt generate a thumbnail of the pdf or video file i download!
[03:04] <rodrigot44> any good?
[03:06] <tomreyn> i think it is now understandable
[03:07] <rodrigot44>  tomreyn thank god
[03:07] <tomreyn> you may want to add your uubntu version, graphical desktop
[03:08] <rodrigot44> no nautilus doesnt have those problems
[03:08] <rodrigot44> so
[03:08] <rodrigot44> *
[03:13] <sazawal> Hello all. I have recently installed Ubuntu 19.04. From some days, I cannot launch nautilus after about 10-20 minutes of start up. It says "Failed to launch 'Downloads'. Timeout was reached". Someone here suggested me to purge and reinstall nautilus but that didn't help.
[03:14] <LJSeinfeld> --Having a rough time sorting out a permissions issue in a ubuntu VM that I'm running inside of Unraid.   I have an unraid share mounted by fstab, which seems to work, but files I create there are owned by root... with the group as my username
[03:15] <LJSeinfeld> trying to figure out if this is an ubunu issue or an unraid issue.. without too much luck
[03:16] <Cleverness> LJSeinfeld what does your fstab mount line for that share look like
[03:17] <tomreyn> sazawal: do a file system check on the file system containing your Downloads directory - while it is not mounted.
[03:17] <tomreyn> !smart | also check your disks' health, sazawal
[03:19] <LJSeinfeld> Cleverness https://pastebin.com/7dxd4YMU
[03:19] <sazawal> tomreyn, I will do.
[03:22] <Cleverness> LJSeinfeld So I dont confused, is your goal to have this share mounted in the VM as a network drive that devices outside the network can access like a normal share?
[03:23] <LJSeinfeld> no -- the goal is to let the ubuntu VM read write files on that share (which is part of my unraid server)
[03:23] <LJSeinfeld> err read and write
[03:24] <Cleverness> do you have NFS permissions setup on that share in unraid? You could mount is via NFS instead
[03:24] <Cleverness> I did it earlier today on a recent install
[03:24] <LJSeinfeld> I'm not totally sure
[03:24] <LJSeinfeld> I can access the share via SMB or AFP
[03:25] <Cleverness> Go to the share settings in unraid and scroll down to NFS security settings, export yes, security private.  Under rule add 192.168.1.1(sec=sys,rw) replacing the IP with whatever IP the VM has assigned to it
[03:25] <Cleverness> if you want to add more IPs just add a space after and repeat
[03:26] <LJSeinfeld> let me look ...brb
[03:27] <LJSeinfeld> I don't even see NFS as an option in thre..
[03:27] <LJSeinfeld> there
[03:27] <Cleverness> it should be between AFP and SMB security settings
[03:27] <Cleverness> go to settings and see under network services of NFS is enabled
[03:27] <LJSeinfeld> nothing... do I need to stop the array to enable NFS
[03:27] <LJSeinfeld> ?
[03:28] <Cleverness> no
[03:28] <LJSeinfeld> just enabled
[03:28] <LJSeinfeld> OK I see the options now
[03:28] <Cleverness> ok
[03:29] <Cleverness> just set the settings for it like I posted above
[03:29] <nshire> is it possible to put the ubuntu installer on a drive without wiping the entire thing? I want to keep the data on this and see if I can have the liveusb just use another partition
[03:31] <LJSeinfeld> ok got that done
[03:32] <LJSeinfeld> "192.168.11.21(sec=sys,rw)"
[03:32] <Cleverness> yea, without the quotes though
[03:32] <LJSeinfeld> correct -- no quotes
[03:32] <Cleverness> LJSeinfeld https://pastebin.com/dptbvsmY
[03:33] <Cleverness> looking at your previous pastefin the /home path looked like is where you wanted the share mounted, just add your IP before the colon and the full share path after the colon
[03:33] <tomreyn> nshire: theoretically yes, but i'm not aware of a utility which does it. maybe mkusb could. you'd still need to make sure the boot loader there is aware of it.
[03:34] <nshire> which bootloader? the installer bootloader?
[03:35] <tomreyn> nshire: the boot loader on the drive you want to create the ubuntu installer on
[03:35] <tomreyn> either way, you'll want a backup of that data beforehand.
[03:35] <nshire> this is just a general purpose usb ssd btw. formatted exfat atm
[03:35] <LJSeinfeld> Cleverness -- comment out my previous fstab entry, correct?
[03:35] <nshire> so no current bootlaoder
[03:36] <Cleverness> yes
[03:36] <Cleverness> You might also need to run sudo apt install nfs-kernel-server if you are missing it
[03:36] <Cleverness> er
[03:37] <Cleverness> scratch that, nfs-common not kernel server
[03:37] <Cleverness> but just mount it first
[03:38] <tomreyn> nshire: it'll be a lot easier to just create the installer out of it, then shring the partition, if needed, create another and create an exfat file system there.
[03:38] <nshire> I had a feeling that would be the case
[03:38] <tomreyn> *shrinK - wow, i must be getting tired
[03:38] <LJSeinfeld> nothing shows up in ~/unraidmedia now...
[03:39] <nshire> I was hoping I could put several installers on one drive since its a 500gb ssd with 500MBps R/W
[03:39] <LJSeinfeld> installing nfs common now
[03:39] <Cleverness> did you run mount in the command line after changing fstab?
[03:39] <LJSeinfeld> just rebooted the vm
[03:40] <LJSeinfeld> requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
[03:40] <Cleverness> what VM is it
[03:40] <LJSeinfeld> unbuntu server ... 18.04.2 LTS
[03:41] <tomreyn> nshire: there are some applications which try to cover this scenario, with more and less success.
[03:41] <nshire> any suggestions?
[03:41] <Cleverness> LJSeinfeld: sudo apt install nfs-common should work, im running that version as well
[03:42] <LJSeinfeld> I think I messed up the ip... should be the ip of the unraid server...
[03:42] <Cleverness> yea
[03:42] <LJSeinfeld> and I copied the IP of the VM...
[03:42] <LJSeinfeld> lol
[03:42] <Cleverness> lol
[03:42] <nshire> my only idea would be to create another installer on one drive and DD it over after the end of the previous installer... but I don't know if that would work
[03:43] <Cleverness> yea just change it and run sudo mount -a
[03:43] <LJSeinfeld> do hostnames work in there?
[03:43] <tomreyn> nshire: i don't really want to recommend them. also they're not in ubuntu.
[03:43] <nshire> mmm.
[03:43] <Cleverness> I havent tried, I just used the server IP since mine is static
[03:43] <tomreyn> nshire: if you have hybrid isos you could use this approach, i think it's actually the best: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive#Using_GRUB_and_loopback_devices
[03:44] <LJSeinfeld> getting closer... access denied by server while mounting 192.168.11.149:/Media
[03:44] <Cleverness> it needs to be the full path in unraid, not just Media.
[03:44] <Cleverness> so if you go to shares and click the folder icon, top should say Index of /mnt/user/Media or something similar
[03:44] <LJSeinfeld> like /mnt/user/Media
[03:45] <Cleverness> yes
[03:45] <Cleverness> so that whole thing goes after the colon
[03:46] <LJSeinfeld> files appear... :)
[03:46] <LJSeinfeld> let me restart everything and see what errors fly
[03:46] <Cleverness> see if it lets you create a folder to check that write permissions work
[03:46] <LJSeinfeld> ok
[03:47] <LJSeinfeld> owner and group looks good...
[03:47] <Cleverness> alright good, just restart the VM to make sure it automounts correctly
[03:48] <Cleverness> if it does you should be set
[03:48] <LJSeinfeld> trying now...
[03:48] <LJSeinfeld> sab and transmission are having issues writing there... (or were).. gonna test out
[03:52] <LJSeinfeld> appears to be working -- Thanks :)
[03:52] <Cleverness> np
[03:52] <LJSeinfeld> wonder why the other way was so problematic
[03:53] <LJSeinfeld> sab would create files that were root:dave
[03:53] <LJSeinfeld> weird
[03:53] <Randune> hi all..has anyone tried to load a proprietary driver, but when presented with the Mok manager on next boot, the video is not displayed so you can't see what you're doing?
[03:55] <Cleverness> LJSeinfeld: yea idk, switched from Windows few days ago and from what I learned googling that method is the simplest one I found, while staying secure.
[03:56] <Cleverness> I havent setup deluge on my server yet so I needed write access
[03:56] <LJSeinfeld> unraid is really cool, but there's a lot to learn there.. and I'm only about good enough to be dangerous with linux..
[03:56] <LJSeinfeld> deluge was a pain for me... figured Id give transmission-daemon a try
[03:57] <Cleverness> just backup your unraid settings.  I broke networkconfig once when adding a 10g network card
[03:57] <LJSeinfeld> although you can apparently bind deluge to an interface which would be nice
[03:59] <Cleverness> yea I havent done all that on my server.  For me its just for storage/plex/airsonic
[03:59] <AWAY> wagwan boys
[04:00] <Guest8894> yikes
[04:00] <Guest8894> failed to verify
[04:00] <Guest8894> big yikes
[04:02] <LJSeinfeld> Cleverness my (many years ago) solution to how to make sure certain things use a VPN was to put those things in a VM.  There's a lot of cool docker containers out there--which would be 1 click installs... but I can't figure out if anyone has come up with an easy way to make sure the external traffic is handled properly
[04:34] <LJSeinfeld> gotta bail -- thanks :)
[04:53] <fly> Hello.Is there
[04:53] <fly> ?
[04:53] <Guest10954> Is there?
[04:54] <Guest10954> I cannot use the Thunderbird
[04:57] <qwebirc12473> hello, I'm having trouble with Ubuntu 18.04 LTS on a new server.  after the installation succeeds, when GNOME starts (as noted in the console) that tty freezes and no desktop comes up.  in another console, I logged in and installed all updates.  no improvement.  installing the nvidia drivers (for the RTX 2060 card) via aptitude results in an avalanche of PKCS#7 warnings, and now the machine is thoroughly unusable --- the ttys fla
[04:58] <qwebirc12473> what could I be doing wrong here?  I find it hard to believe I'm the first person that runs into this (although google found several reports of similar problems with the drivers).
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc12473: for server issues, come join to #ubuntu-server please
[05:02] <redwheelbarrow> oh, I see a fellow disco dingo user
[05:02] <redwheelbarrow> what do you think of the new distro?
[05:03] <qwebirc12473> lotuspsychje: do you mean "ubuntu server"?  by "server" I meant "workstation".  what I described is for Ubuntu desktop
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> redwheelbarrow: ubuntu discussions goto #ubuntu-discuss please
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc12473: well dont say server if you mean workstation next time ok
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc12473: wich nvidia driver are you using?
[05:07] <qwebirc12473> the driver that aptitude suggested.  it was 400+ something.  I had trouble logging into the machine after installing it, between the PKCS#7 warnings and the unresponsive keyboard
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc12473: for GTX cards and higher, we reccomend using the ubuntu graphics ppa
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | qwebirc12473
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc12473: a latest driver might be a good idea for you
[05:09] <qwebirc12473> ... reading through the material... what does 'ppa' mean?
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc12473: ppa means an external repo with packages on that are not on the official ubuntu repos, normally we dont reccomend
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc12473: but the graphics ppa is pretty safe to use as its maintained by trustable members
[05:12] <qwebirc12473> as I read through, I do remember from aptitude that I installed drivers by nvidia that were under a category of "binary only"... is this kind of trouble with nvidia common?
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc12473: you can check the nvidia drivers available for your system with: ubuntu-drivers list
[05:14] <qwebirc12473> one way or the other it looks like I have to reinstall ubuntu because this one is hosed somehow... I'll get that going and use these new infos as I go... I should be back in a bit after I get it installed again
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc12473: you dont have to reinstall ubuntu to install drivers
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | qwebirc12473 try this
[05:20] <qwebirc12473> interesting: the first time I missed the prompt to install, it went the route of trying ubuntu without installing.  after a while, the system started misbehaving just like after installation: sluggish keyboard, cursor blinking irregularly, etc...
[05:21] <qwebirc12473> I do not know how I would make any changes to the system in its current state, keyboard unworkable, essentially unable to login, flashing ttys... awful.
[05:21] <qwebirc12473> let me get it to a workable state, then I suspect it will be easier to figure out what I did wrong.
[05:23] <qwebirc12473> off it goes, minimal install, no 3rd party drivers, download updates during installation.  should be done in a few minutes.
[05:24] <Bashing-om> qwebirc12473: verified the ISO integrity ,, and the copy to the install medium ?
[05:24] <qwebirc12473> no I did not, sec.
[05:24] <Bashing-om> !md5sum ! qwebirc12473
[05:27] <qwebirc12473> md5 hash of the downloaded iso is good.  I do not know about the thumb drive, it's in the machine right now.  but I put the iso on it using dd, and it didn't complain.  I'd imagine it's ok.
[05:28] <Bashing-om> qwebirc12473: in the boot menu is "check disk for defects" , As a matter of course I always check the copy.
[05:33] <qwebirc12473> ok, it's rebooting now.
[05:35] <Bashing-om> qwebirc12473: :) waiting.
[05:35] <qwebirc12473> purple screen, then black screen, then a few console entries: that /dev/sda4 is clean, two about starting the Snappy daemon, and finally that GNOME Display Manager started.  then, a non-blinking cursor.
[05:36] <qwebirc12473> switching to tty2... oh, ouch, this is also flashing now.  and the keyboard is unworkable.
[05:37] <qwebirc12473> I suspect that connecting things to the monitor (and thus to the video card) is a bad idea.  let's check...
[05:37] <qwebirc12473> took off wireless mouse receiver: no change, flashing ttys
[05:37] <Bashing-om> qwebirc12473: Try this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1102256/stuck-at-started-gnome-display-manager-18-10 .
[05:38] <qwebirc12473> interesting, now the flashing stopped.
[05:38] <qwebirc12473> and the keyboard is workable again
[05:38] <qwebirc12473> this is so odd, this did not happen during installation
[05:38] <Bashing-om> qwebirc12473: well, we wait and see what happens.
[05:39] <qwebirc12473> well ok at least now I should be able to login
[05:40] <qwebirc12473> ok, I copied custom.conf (cp -a to another file with the date tacked onto the filename), and disabled wayland.  rebooting...
[05:42] <qwebirc12473> by the way, it looks like there is truth to that forum post I ran into that claimed that USB devices connected via the video card can cause trouble... although I sure wish I knew what was the problem exactly
[05:42] <qwebirc12473> anyway, here we go.  purple screen, black screen, more console entries this time, but soon after GNOME display manager started the console freezes and the cursor does not blink anymore
[05:43] <qwebirc12473> tty2 is flashing with the contents of tty1...
[05:43] <qwebirc12473> ok, so I'm also disconnecting the keyboard from the monitor and into the machine
[05:44] <qwebirc12473> tty2 still flashing
[05:47] <qwebirc12473> still unusable, keyboard mostly unresponsive.  so I also unplugged the entire monitor's USB connection
[05:47] <qwebirc12473> flashing stopped
[05:47] <qwebirc12473> ok now I can log in
[05:52] <qwebirc12473> it looks like the user gdm is logging in and out several times per second, as per auth.log...
[05:52] <qwebirc12473> I did not find a whole lot of interesting bits in gpu-manager.log, though I noted it found two cards on the system (the RTX 2060 and the discrete one)
[05:53] <qwebirc12473> how can I tell if gdm decided to output video on the onboard device rather than the nvidia card?  there are no files in /var/log/gdm3
[05:53] <Bashing-om> qwebirc12473: nvidia as the rtx 2060 ?
[05:54] <qwebirc12473> I can't quite tell from looking at gpu-manager.log
[05:55] <qwebirc12473> lspci | grep -i vga found an NVIDIA and an ASPEED
[05:55] <Bashing-om> qwebirc12473: look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for what X is up to.
[05:56] <qwebirc12473> no such file
[05:57] <Bashing-om> qwebirc12473: .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log ?
[05:57] <qwebirc12473> there is only one relevant error message in kern.log: that nouveau probed the NVIDIA card and failed with error -12
[05:58] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | qwebirc12473
[05:59] <qwebirc12473> I will track that log file, then I'm looking at the kernel boot parameter
[06:00] <qwebirc12473> found the log file at /var/lib/gdm3/.local/share/xorg
[06:03] <qwebirc12473> the Xorg log tries to load the "ast" module for the ASPEED video card several times, always fails
[06:03] <qwebirc12473> eventually it also tries to look at the NVIDIA card, and it reports it fails to open the DRM device because of error -19
[06:04] <qwebirc12473> in the end, it can't open the framebuffer, and the Xorg server terminates and closes the log file
[06:05] <qwebirc12473> it seems to me this suggests missing drivers
[06:05] <Bashing-om> qwebirc12473: Never encountered the ASPEED video card ; what shows ' sudo lshw -C dispaly '. Is a driver even seen ?
[06:07] <qwebirc43335> The "erase disk and install Ubuntu" option only wipes one disk right?
[06:07] <qwebirc43335> Whatever disk is selected
[06:08] <qwebirc12473> finds the ASPEED Technology, Inc. card, and the NVIDIA card (the RTX 2060, I presume)
[06:08] <Bashing-om> qwebirc12473: yes . only the target.
[06:08] <qwebirc12473> the other qwebirc, Bashing-on.  maybe I should change my nick.
[06:08] <qwebirc43335> Had to make sure, I've got 5 drives installed rn. Thanks.
[06:09] <blogten> so that ASPEED is whatever came on the Supermicro motherboard
[06:10] <black_13> after installing vnc i just get a black screen when i connect
[06:13] <[rg]> anyone using youtube-dl? has not been working for me for a while now
[06:14] <blogten> held down shift to get to the grub menu, didn't happen, machine booted, and now it's stuck again after GNOME started.  even though nothing is connected to the video card's USB, the ttys still flash and the keyboard is unresponsive
[06:18] <blogten> interesting, the flashing seems to stop after I press a few keys, I will have to check on this the next reboot (maybe it just takes time and it resolves itself)
[06:22] <Bashing-om> blogten: EFI system it is the escape key the grub looks for.
[06:23] <blogten> indeed, I pressed ESC and it threw me into the grub shell (pressed one too many)
[06:23] <blogten> ok, the machine is booting again
[06:24] <blogten> much nicer, now the ubuntu logo showed up (first time I ever see it)
[06:24] <blogten> ok, so apparently now I can log in to the desktop
[06:24] <blogten> time to connect the mouse
[06:25] <blogten> neat, got to a desktop
[06:26] <blogten> ok, so nomodeset is improvement.  now I'd really like to get some proper drivers...
[06:28] <Bashing-om> blogten: Proprietary drivers: ' sudo apt update ; sidp apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' .
[06:28] <Bashing-om> sudo*
[06:28] <blogten> yep, and first I'm checking whether disabling wayland is still needed
[06:28] <blogten> one less variable
[06:29] <blogten> *fewer
[06:29] <Bashing-om> blogten: nvidia and wayland is still a work in progress.
[06:30] <blogten> the machine booted, and the result is same as the last good result
[06:30] <blogten> got to the desktop.  so, for now, I'll leave the wayland modification undone
[06:30] <blogten> (it does not appear to be necessary)
[06:32] <blogten> before continuing, I will update the 220 upgradeable packages...
[06:36] <black_13> where would i ask about vnc
[06:37] <blogten> 220 updates done, rebooting (I didn't catch if there was a new kernel)
[06:38] <blogten> gnome started again, this is getting nicer
[06:40] <blogten> Ubuntu has the 390 drivers supported.  I tried installing these before, but I had the nomodeset problem... hmm.  well, if these don't work, then it's the ppa ones.  let's see.
[06:41] <Bashing-om> blogten: with the 390 driver installed, make sure that nomodeset is no longet set.
[06:41] <blogten> ok, will do
[06:42] <blogten> actually what I should do is to add a grub entry to add nomodeset as needed, and have the default without nomodeset
[06:46] <blogten> ok, took out nomodeset, now with the 390 drivers, rebooting...
[06:47] <blogten> ubuntu logo, that's nice...
[06:47] <blogten> booted up to the desktop again
[06:49] <blogten> ok, next issue... I can't seem to get a resolution better than 1024x768
[07:47] <blogten> so, the nvidia 390.116 drivers do not support the RTX 2060, so those are the wrong drivers anyway
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | blogten
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> blogten: for high end cards we reccomend the ubuntu graphics ppa
[07:49] <blogten> yes, that's the other thread I still have to follow
[07:50] <blogten> I went the 390 driver route thinking it had not worked because of nomodeset, but that's not the cause of the problem and now I know why.
[07:51] <blogten> if I did the native driver, it would have to be the 418.56 driver from nvidia
[07:51] <blogten> but, @lotuspsychje, why do you recommend the ppa driver over the native one?
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> blogten: the 390 from stock ubuntu wont perform well on high end cards
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> blogten: newer card, try later drivers
[07:53] <blogten> and in the case of the 390 driver, nvidia does not even claim it supports the RTX 2060
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> blogten: what does: ubuntu-drivers list show you?
[07:54] <blogten> the kernel log has periodic complaints along the lines that the 390 driver does not know what nvidia card is installed
[07:54] <blogten> nothing
[07:54] <blogten> i.e., empty
[07:54] <ducasse> blogten: we always recommend properly packaged drivers over the nvidia download, yes
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> blogten: where do you see the 390 driver then?
[07:55] <blogten> aptitude
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> blogten: so you say ubuntu-drivers list is empty?
[07:56] <blogten> ubuntu-drivers list produces no output
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> blogten: can you pastebin this please: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a && lsb_release -a
[08:00] <blogten> go to https://pastebin.com/FEFhJhyN
[08:00] <blogten> I think I'm also done uninstalling the 390 driver...
[08:00] <blogten> this is such a throwaway linux install, once I get all these kinks sorted out I will do a clean install with zero mistakes / double takes
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> blogten: your card needs special treatment
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> there's no magic red button to fix things here
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> blogten: do you have time to make a new bug before you install drivers from the ppa?
[08:01] <blogten> sure, what do you need?
[08:02] <blogten> and, how did you tell this card needs special treatment?
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> blogten: again, for high end cards we need other drivers then the stock ones
[08:03] <unimatrix9> does anyone have a good tip for Oss membership software ?
[08:03] <blogten> that's ok, but what do you mean by "special" treatment?  what would be "normal" treatment?
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> blogten: the normal treatment is that ubuntu recognize your card and just installs the reccomended nvidia driver automatic
[08:04] <blogten> and it looks like there are two paths... the ppa driver (and I hear it's preferable because it's been packaged properly), and if not the native driver
[08:06] <blogten> hey, neat, it looks like the ppa guys have already packaged the 418.56 nvidia driver!
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> blogten: do you have a launchpad account?
[08:06] <blogten> I do not know what is launchpad
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> blogten: you need it to create a bug
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> blogten: https://launchpad.net/
[08:08] <blogten> ok, and what is the bug you would like me to report?
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> blogten: ill guide you through it when you made an account
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> blogten: its about ubuntu not proposing a driver for your card
[08:09] <blogten> ok... hang on until I do the administrivia...
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[08:10] <blogten> rats, it might take a while because of email server graylisting
[08:10] <blogten> meanwhile, I'll start on the ppa thing
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> blogten: well it would be better to bug without the ppa
[08:11] <blogten> ah
[08:11] <blogten> can I at least get going with the install of the package repository?
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> blogten: its your choice to bug or not mate
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> blogten: if you rather add the ppa and install right now, no problem
[08:12] <blogten> I just meant to get the repository information added, but hold off the driver installation
[08:13] <blogten> I meant to ask if that alone would disturb the bug report
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> blogten: i would advice if you go tru with the bug, dont add ppa yet
[08:13] <blogten> I'd rather file the bug report if this helps others
[08:13] <blogten> ok, I'll wait
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> blogten: yeah you would help the whole community and yourself with this
[08:14] <blogten> yeah, like how about I was the last one spending hours on this? :)
[08:14] <blogten> which is fine, but once is enough
[08:15] <blogten> ok, I'm logged in
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> blogten: ok from a terminal type: ubuntu-bug nvidia-drivers-ubuntu
[08:16] <blogten> does it need root?
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> blogten: no
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> blogten: if good, it will open a browser to launchpad
[08:17] <blogten> it says "the problem cannot be reported: this report is about a package that is not installed"
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> oh
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> blogten: ok ubuntu-bug linux then
[08:18] <blogten> asks whether to send or not
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> blogten: yes send
[08:19] <blogten> ... logging in...
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> blogten: after that it will ask you a title and description
[08:20] <blogten> ok wants a summary.  how about "NVIDIA RTX 2060 --- no drivers suggested"?
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> blogten: for title you can write something like: ubuntu-drivers does not propose a driver for RTX 206
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> 2060
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> blogten: in the description of the bug, you can tell your story what happened
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> blogten: feel free to share the bug # number here so we can take a look
[08:22] <baako> hi guys i have ubuntu desktop. The issue I have with it, is if i mute my laptop and shut it down or restart it, no sounds works after I have turn the sound back on. I have to restart it again to get sound back. How can I permanently fix this issue?
[08:31] <blogten> ok, I think I complied with the guidelines
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> blogten: can you share the bug url plz?
[08:31] <blogten> bug number 1826711
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[08:32] <blogten> sorry, that firefox is on the linux machine, I'm writing on my laptop (so I can reboot the machine as needed without breaking contact)
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> blogten: thank you for taking time to create the bug, looks good!
[08:32] <lastebill1> I have trouble using hibernate on two my laptops.  When I get out of hibernate, my wifi is no longer working and when I attempt to reboot it typically fails to do so
[08:33] <blogten> no problem :)
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> blogten: now you can add the ppa and install a later driver
[08:33] <blogten> ok now on to that bit :)
[08:34] <o-bit> How to add hibernate on ubuntu 18.04?
[08:36] <lastebill1> I've got the same problem on 18.04 and now 19.04.  Hibernate is not working properly
[08:38] <o-bit> lastebill1: How did you manage to get it to appear, I see no such button on my Ubuntu 18.04 for hibernating.
[08:41] <blogten> by the way, by "properly packaged drivers" did you guys mean "without all the mess of kernel tainting, key management, etc"?  something else?  or in addition to that?
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> blogten: i never said properly..where did you read that?
[08:43] <duncan_bayne> Hi - quick question, what's causing my laptop to suspend when I close the lid?  I'm running StumpWM and would like to disable this behaviour so I can control screen locking and/or suspend behaviour using xscreensaver.  I'm newly back to Ubuntu after a few years on FreeBSD.
[08:43] <blogten> I don't think it was you
[08:43] <duncan_bayne> I'm suspecting some sort of power management event causing systemd to do it, but have no real idea.
[08:43] <blogten> it was this: "<ducasse> blogten: we always recommend properly packaged drivers over the nvidia download, yes"
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> blogten: ah yeah, that means the nvidia ones arent very reccomended for ubuntu use
[08:44] <ducasse> blogten: like in a repo with .deb packages, so you get updates etc and it's rebuilt on kernel updates
[08:44] <lastebill1> o-bit oddly my computer with 18.04 has hibernate
[08:44] <lastebill1> o-bit I haven't installed it as extras
[08:45] <blogten> oh I see, as opposed to me doing random custom compiles whenever nvidia decides I have to go through their lovely manual document that takes 5 hours to read...
[08:45] <lastebill1> o-bit it's not working properly though
[08:45] <lastebill1> o-bit I just checked it out right now
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> blogten: just try one from the ppa :p
[08:46] <o-bit> lastebill1: Atleast you got a button to click, mine doesn't even recognize it as a possibility, mind posting screen shot of where the hibernate button is?
[08:46] <blogten> I'm verifying the install, I think I got all of it
[08:47] <blogten> ok, it's installed now
[08:47] <blogten> time for a reboot I think
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> blogten: wich version did you choose?
[08:47] <blogten> 418.56
[08:47] <duncan_bayne> Ah!  Here it is: https://askubuntu.com/questions/15520/how-can-i-tell-ubuntu-to-do-nothing-when-i-close-my-laptop-lid
[08:47] <blogten> because at the NVIDIA site, 430.x is listed as "BETA"
[08:47] <lastebill1> o-bit ok, sorry for my noobishness but how do I post a screen shot here?
[08:47] <duncan_bayne> tl;dr: it is systemd, but you can set it to the lid switch
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> blogten: allrighty, good luck
[08:48] <blogten> it's rebooting
[08:48] <o-bit> Upload it to some image hosting site, then post link :D
[08:48] <blogten> neat, got the ubuntu logo...
[08:48] <blogten> oooooohhhhhhhhh
[08:48] <o-bit> blogten: LOL
[08:49] <lastebill1> o-bit ok
[08:49] <blogten> now the mouse cursor is a itsy littel tiny itty bitty thing on the monitor!
[08:49] <blogten> way, way, way nicer
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> blogten: please add the new experience to your bug now, your current driver version from the ubuntu ppa
[08:50] <blogten> hey, awesome, now I can even do this in the firefox machine
[08:51] <blogten> eh, the linux machine
[08:52] <blogten> done, how's that?
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> great work blogten
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> blogten: tnx again to make the report
[08:54] <blogten> np, happy to help
[08:54] <blogten> I might come back for more questions, so perhaps we'll get to do this again
[08:54] <blogten> hopefully no bugs this time :)
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> blogten: its also possible devs will ask you to do things in the bug
[08:55] <blogten> that's ok
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> blogten: when having trouble come back here ; )
[08:55] <lastebill1> o-bit https://photos.app.goo.gl/HHmmUhAs8j1JgFA68
[08:56] <lastebill1> o-bit it's called hvile in my language
[08:56] <blogten> a bit ago I worked with the wget maintainer to track down a problem, it took about a month but in the end we could explain all that was wrong and we also found a vulnerability, now fixed in wget 1.20.2
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> nice blogten
[08:56] <blogten> most of it was a mixture of user error and the side effect of me using an older version of wget that induced problems later.  but still, one less vuln.
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> blogten: if you want to discuss & help around in the future, join us at #ubuntu-discuss
[08:58] <blogten> I might do that, thanks!  hopefully I will have something to contribute
[08:59] <blogten> also, since things got cleaned up, I might not need to do another fresh install just to make sure.  this looks clean enough now
[09:00] <o-bit> lastebill1: Wow, thaught you used Ubuntu stock, So derivatives have hibernate buttons but main OS doesn't LOL!!!!
[09:09] <lastebill1> o-bit I use lubuntu and kubuntu mostly
[09:10] <lastebill1> o-bit well, sort of explains my problem then, if it's not in the main os.  Means there's probably a good reason for it.
[09:10] <lastebill1> o-bit means it's not working properly probably
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> lastebill1: wich lubuntu version is this?
[09:11] <o-bit> lastebill1: Have you tried using pm-hibernate from pm-utils?
[09:13] <lastebill1> l0rdkermit says lubuntu 18.04
[09:13] <lastebill1> lotuspsychje says lubuntu 18.04
[09:14] <lastebill1> o-bit I haven't tried pm-hibernate and pm-utils.  I might give them a try
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> lastebill1: what laptop brand is that
[09:20] <lastebill1> lotuspsychje it's a 2007 macbook I think
[09:20] <lastebill1> lotuspsychje I have a 2 year old computer with kubuntu 19.04 with hibernate (and the same problems) to
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> lastebill1: ive had good experiences with ubuntu-desktop 18.04 on macs lately
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> lastebill1: hibernate problems are mostly related to acpi issues of the computer brand
[09:22] <lastebill1> lotuspsychje yeah, except for the hibernate not working, the mac been working just fine.
[09:22] <blogten> lotuspsychje: would that also include macpro1,1?...
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> blogten: wich year is that model from?
[09:22] <blogten> 2007
[09:22] <blogten> or something of that vintage
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> blogten: i bet that will work nicely too on 18.04
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> blogten: try out a liveusb for a test
[09:23] <lastebill1> lotuspsychje the main reason I'
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> !mac | lastebill1
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> lastebill1: there are some issues on mac that not easy fixable
[09:23] <blogten> at one point I read something along the lines of needing to blank out the EFI partition on the ISO for the thing to install, since the machine apparently does not have 64 bit EFI... and google has it someone had been making the isos for that up to ubuntu 14...
[09:24] <blogten> after I'm done with setting up this box, I could continue to that box
[09:24] <lastebill1> lotuspsychje the main reason I'm not using the old mac is that it's fan just starts and stops instead of running on a steady level all the time.  It was like this when it was new to.  Some retards at apple decided that was a good idea somehow
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> blogten: it should be real easy, control+f to boot usb on the mac, then install ubuntu
[09:24] <blogten> cool
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> if you like we can discuss in #ubuntu-discuss
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> lets keep this channel for issues
[09:25] <blogten> FYI lastebill1, in my old mac pro that happened until I figured out it was the GPU heat sink getting clogged with dust... since then, once every 6 months to a year I open the box and clean the heat sink
[09:26] <dreamcat4> safe to upgrade to 19.04 yet?
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> dreamcat4: 19.04 is final yes
[09:29] <lastebill1> blogten oh, I'll check that out then
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> blogten: join in -discuss too
[09:37] <yatski0> hello, I have question.
[09:38] <_KaszpiR_> then just ask
[09:39] <yatski0> how do I view hidden folders in ubuntu?
[09:39] <yatski0> I have Bionic Beaver
[09:39] <mouses> yatski0: in CLI, pass -a to ls - in the GUI file explorer, control+H
[09:40] <yatski0> ok, thank you so much.
[09:41] <_KaszpiR_> ls -la
[09:41] <_KaszpiR_> or use something like doublecmd ;D
[09:43] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[09:56] <groke> morning blueskaj
[09:56] <xtr3m1s> helloo
[09:56] <BluesKaj> hi groke
[10:17] <xrandr> Hi, is there a way to make the dock transparent the way you could in 18.04 and 18.10?
[10:18] <ryuo> xrandr: it would help if you told us which context you are asking about.
[10:19] <xrandr> The dock on the left side. I want to make it transparent. I am not sure what other info I can provide
[10:19] <ryuo> xrandr: i meant flavor.
[10:20] <ryuo> xrandr: i guess you mean regular Ubuntu.
[10:20] <xrandr> Yes
[10:21] <xrandr> Default ubuntu :)
[10:21] <xrandr> and I am using 19.04
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> xrandr: search in dconf-editor
[10:26] <sveinse> I wonder, how common is it that 'systemctl' shows a 'running' state? Of all my machines and servers, I'm observing that most (like 4 out of 5) of them are in either 'degraded' state (of various reason) or even 'starting'. All Ubuntu systems. This is not a systemd rant, but is it supposed to be like this? Do I need to put into our checklists that we need to ensure systemd is in 'running' state?
[10:27] <xrandr> brb
[10:28] <_KaszpiR_> 94% [5 jenkins 50.4 MB/76.7 MB 66%]     148 kB/s 2min 58s
[10:28] <_KaszpiR_> T_T
[10:29] <xrandr> hmm... didn't work
[10:29] <xrandr> even tried logging out and in again
[10:30] <xrandr> I'll tackle this in the AM. I need to sleep
[10:43] <tdz5> hi
[10:57] <amosbird> hello
[10:58] <amosbird> can I combine the ubuntu-mono font with wqy-microhei so that ascii and latin use ubuntu-mono and cjk chars using microhei?
[11:10] <ryuo> amosbird: possibly with fontconfig. it's probably the only way to configure more advanced things.
[11:11] <ryuo> amosbird: http://eosrei.net/articles/2016/02/changing-default-fallback-subsitution-fonts-linux
[11:22] <yov00> Hello, how can I fix the following error:
[11:22] <yov00> Gtk-Message: 14:13:58.162: GtkDialog mapped without a transient parent. This is discouraged.
[11:22] <yov00> I am trying to install core fonts for my FL Studio to work
[11:24] <blackflow> yov00: why do you think that's an error, or even related to your problem? Also:
[11:24] <blackflow> !xy
[11:28] <ikanobori> 'If you ask me how to hammer a nail into the wall using a teapot Id prefer to tell you to use a hammer'.
[11:29] <yov00> Well, it happens while installing the corefonts from "winetricks" and it gives me error popup box
[11:29] <yov00> and it doesent work at the end
[11:30] <blackflow> yov00: do you need corefonts as a winetricks package? do you have them installed from apt? You need:
[11:30] <blackflow> !info ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[11:32] <blackflow> yov00: incidentally, quick googling of "FL studio corefonts" yields this, did you see it?  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1051687/cant-install-corefonts-from-winetricks
[11:32] <yov00> Thanks blackflow
[11:33] <yov00> I'll give it a try. I am watching tutorials on how to install the simplest stuff pretty new to linux
[11:49] <uzee> hi, anyone here who could help regarding dhcpv6 for ubuntu 16 or 18. For static assignments, I understand I need a DUID, but cannot find any info on where to get the DUID from? Windows apparently provides it in the ipconfig command
[11:57] <BluesKaj> uzee, ifconfig or ip ad
[12:02] <baako> exit;
[12:38] <dff> greeetings! i installed ubuntu 18.04 with full lvm encryption, is there a way for me to back up the whole volume and later use snapshots for back up purposes?
[12:44] <bbanner> hi guys how are you
[12:44] <bbanner> can I ask a question, please?
[12:44] <EriC^^> sure
[12:44] <SwedeMike> !ask | bbanner
[12:44] <bbanner> good
[12:46] <bbanner> I use virtualbox, I updated it and I cannot downlod Oracle virtualbox extension pack from virtualbox original web site an oracle web site
[12:46] <bbanner> and you?
[12:47] <bbanner> sorry but my emglish isn't perfect
[12:48] <BluesKaj> bbanner, install virtualbox-ext pack
[12:48] <BluesKaj> from the repos
[12:49] <guiverc2> bbanner, you didn't tell us your release of Ubuntu, but https://askubuntu.com/questions/661414/how-to-install-extension-pack-for-virtual-box may be helpful (it contains a answer for repo install as BluesKaj's was, plus downloaded from oracle)
[12:51] <bbanner> I use ubuntu 19.04
[13:00] <stevendale> Is it true H2o is poisonous (water in its raw form)
[13:01] <stevendale> Wait wrong channel again
[13:01] <stevendale> Dammit
[13:04] <vlt> piece_of_junk: Depends as always with poison on the dose.
[13:06] <BluesKaj> stevendale, only if you breathe just the hydrogen
[13:07] <jeremy31> breathing water is a bad idea
[13:24] <MarkB2> During a window resize operation, a program shifted itself so that it's top bar is under the bottom gnome favorites bar.  I can't mouse-grab the program's top bar.  Is there a keyboard sequence that allows moving it up into the display area proper?
[13:26] <OerHeks> MarkB2, simply hold windows key, and the l-mouse can drag
[13:26] <MarkB2> Oerheks: Will try.. one moment
[13:26] <uzee> BluesKaj: thanks but ifconfig or ip add doesn't show me the duid, it shows me the ipv6 address though'
[13:27] <qwebirc9218> Hello!
[13:28] <MarkB2> OerHeks: I can alt-tab to select the program but holding down the Windows key and lclick-and-hold does not move the program's top bar.
[13:28] <Bobert> I have a question that might be somewhat easy. I installed 19.04 (clean) but used a backup of my config file. I had gnome extensions and now they are bugging out because they aren't installed (but are being utilized). If I install them and disable/uninstall, they are stiill being utilized. What can I do?
[13:29] <OerHeks> MarkB2, oh, here i can, 18.04/gnome3
[13:29] <MarkB2> This is 18.04/gnome .. grr..
[13:31] <MarkB2> Just found the light gray mostly transparent arrow at the bottom bar... and that let me drag it back up.
[13:31] <MarkB2> but it's crashed.
[13:31] <MarkB2> rats.
[13:32] <MarkB2> Now I have an unresponsive pane on the display.  Trying to kill it now.
[13:33] <Apachez> oh great the lockscreen in 19.04 seems broken - anyone else who noticed that there is no way to put in your password once the lockscreen is activated in 19.04? any known solution to this other than disable lockscreen all together?
[13:33] <Apachez> seems to be as described in https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/b81g78/cant_login_from_lock_screen_gnome_3320_ubuntu_1904/
[13:34] <MarkB2> Had to kill -9 the process.  Huh.  Okay, back to our viewing pleasure...
[13:45] <caldarella89> hello guys, I would like to know why if I start xubuntu 18.10 in the following ways: {laptop off [wifi hardware switch enabled] -> boot phase -> [wifi hardware switch disabled] -> Internet does not connect :-( ??} {laptop off [wifi hardware switch disabled] -> boot phase -> Internet connects :-)}
[13:49] <BluesKaj> caldarella89, it's obviously enabling at startup
[13:51] <caldarella89> BluesKaj but is it a kernel or iwlwifi module problem?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> caldarella89, probly a config in network-manager showing wifi switch=false rather than true, or vice-versa
[13:55] <jeremy31> caldarella89: does the switch work after Ubuntu is loaded?
[13:58] <caldarella89> jeremy31 yes the switch works as an ON / OFF mechanism, in fact in the network-manager I can connect to the wifi network, but the internet connection does not exchange data.
[13:58] <jeremy31> caldarella89: does iwconfig show power management being on?
[14:02] <caldarella89> @jeremy31 IEEE 802.11  ESSID:off/any Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=off   Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off Power Management:onw I have hardware switch enabled and iwconfig show me:
[14:02] <caldarella89> @jeremy I have hardware switch enabled and iwconfig show me:
[14:02] <caldarella89> IEEE 802.11  ESSID:off/any Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=off   Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off Power Management:on
[14:02] <jyte> hi, my BTRFS volume just mounted read only today, is anyone able to help ? :s
[14:04] <jeremy31> caldarella89: try> sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[14:04] <jeremy31> systemctl restart network-manager.service
[14:08] <yatski0> How do I disable in-buildt NAT in Bionic Beaver? I have no su permission at moment.
[14:09] <Apachez> solved it!
[14:10] <caldarella89> jeremy31 I set "wifi.powersave = 2" reboot and let you know ...
[14:15] <Apachez> solved the lockscreen who cannot be unlocked issue with ubuntu 19.04: https://old.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/b81g78/cant_login_from_lock_screen_gnome_3320_ubuntu_1904/elzdjg7/
[14:21] <caldarella89> @ jeremy31 seems to work, although I waited a bit to switch to the ethernet connection
[14:23] <caldarella89> jeremy31 if I turn off wifi power management, what do I give up? is it possible to fix the problem with wifi.powersave = 3?
[14:25] <jeremy31> caldarella89: you don't give up much with wifi.powersave=2, you can still turn on power management manually
[14:27] <tomreyn> Apachez: so it's a bad user installed gnome extension getting in the way apparently.
[14:28] <tomreyn> Apachez: i trested it on a default 19.04 installation and can't reproduce.
[14:28] <tomreyn> Apachez: please consider filing a bug report against the gnome extension you're using.
[14:30] <caldarella89> jeremy31 but in detail what does wifi power management do?
[14:32] <caldarella89> jeremy31 this? https://docs.ubuntu.com/core/en/stacks/network/network-manager/docs/reference/snap-configuration/wifi-powersave
[14:32] <CyberDildo> Hello
[14:33] <CyberDildo> somebody that has a good tweak tutorial for Ubuntu 18.10 ?
[14:33] <Apachez> tomreyn: its bad gnome who have its keymapping confused ending up with a lockscreen you cannot unlock...
[14:33] <Apachez> I have zero hope to get bugs fixed with ubuntu since I sent in a report 3 years ago regarding casper and its still not fixed
[14:34] <Apachez> so meh, I know how I would workaround this issue next time it surfaces
[14:34] <Apachez> if anyone else want to file a bugreport then go ahead
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: bug reports are reccomended to create from the computer thats affected
[14:36] <jeremy31> caldarella89: It might help some with battery life on a laptop, but it can cause connection issues
[14:36] <tomreyn> Apachez: i can't reproduce, can't file it.
[14:39] <Apachez> tomreyn: it should be sufficent to install "arc menu" as gnome extension and in its settings set "Set menu hotkey" into "Left Super Key"
[14:40] <Apachez> if you use "Undefined" or "Right Super Key" this bug wont show up
[14:44] <tomreyn> Apachez: so it is a bad gnome extension then, i guess
[14:45] <Apachez> the thing its the lockscreen who borks
[14:45] <Apachez> not the extension
[14:45] <Apachez> the extension works perfectly fine
[14:46] <Apachez> so the bug is in gnome who are letting a collision for keymaps exist or for the lockscreen app in gnome who relies on a keymap for no obvious reason
[14:46] <Apachez> why would what I map <super> to have an output on the lockscreen not able to provide me with a password prompt for unlocking?
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: did you try this in a 19.04 live?
[14:50] <tomreyn> so the issue in gnome would be that extensions can introduce keymap collisions. i agree this would be a gnome bug.
[15:08] <mra90> what may be the reason of "unable to locate a package" when I isse "sudo apt instal some-package"?
[15:08] <xamithan> Repos not enabled ?  wrong package name ?
[15:08] <Paavi2_0> missing l in "install"
[15:11] <mra90> package name is ok
[15:11] <mra90> Paavi2_0: what do you mean by missing l?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> mra90: instal ==> install
[15:11] <xamithan> Ok so you don't have the repository enabled probably
[15:12] <xamithan> go to software and sources and check it out
[15:12] <mra90> heh no, I missed the 'l' only here
[15:12] <mra90> oterwise I would get unknow command
[15:13] <mra90> xamithan: where I can find it?
[15:13] <mra90> repositoy & resources
[15:14] <xamithan> Well if you give us the package name we can probably tell you which one.  But it's likely it's in universe or multiverse and isn't enabled
[15:15] <mra90> package name is upboard-extras
[15:17] <xamithan> Well that one isn't in a ubuntu repository
[15:17] <xamithan> There is an unsupported ppa here though: https://launchpad.net/~ubilinux/+archive/ubuntu/up
[15:24] <mra90> xamithan: thanks
[15:25] <mra90> xamithan: btw, when I gave you the name of that package did you just google it or there is come command to check where is it?
[15:26] <xamithan> I went to ubuntu-packages website first and checked.  Then searched for it on launchpad
[15:27] <Apachez> lotuspsychje: will try some time later
[15:27] <mra90> also the command "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubilinux/up" seems to be adding this repository
[15:27] <mra90> btw what 'ppa:' stands for?
[15:28] <xamithan> personal package archives
[15:28] <mra90> ahh right thanks
[15:30] <StupidBoy> Hello world
[15:33] <tomreyn> !ppa | mra90
[15:33] <StupidBoy> leave
[15:34] <tomreyn> mra90: see the search there.
[15:34] <mra90> tomreyn: thanks
[15:35] <tomreyn> before you decide to use a PPA, make sure it actually provides packages for your ubuntu release (codename)
[15:36] <tomreyn> and try to guess whether or not those packages seems to be safe to use, and in a good enough condition (tough, i know).
[15:37] <mra90> tomreyn: I would like to install second kernel but in the same time keep the old one and be able to switch between these two?
[15:38] <tomreyn> mra90: that's possible, if this was your question.
[15:39] <mra90> tomreyn: heh it does any guide for this? :)
[15:39] <tomreyn> mra90: on LTS releases, you have up to three different kernel versions to choose from: the general availability kernel version (the one this release came with originally), a HWE and a HWE-edge kernel, although those can be the same.
[15:39] <tomreyn> !hwe | mra90
[15:40] <mra90> thanks I go away reading
[15:40] <tomreyn> there is also !kernel-ppa for a way to test drive the latest kernel versions, but this is unsupported.
[16:13] <Chakravanti> How can i create an encrypted USB drive that doesn't require admin to unlock?
[16:15] <OerHeks> Chakravanti, easy, https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/encrypt-usb-drive-on-ubuntu/
[16:18] <Chakravanti> DerRaiden, it's not easy.  If I don't have admin the system won't give access to the drive
[16:23] <Cybergrad> I have an application, the desktop Wordpress client (version 4.00), and it is missing an icon in the sidebar. Can I fix that?
[16:25] <Cybergrad> Another application, Spotify version 1.1.0.237.g378f6f25, does not have an icon in the 'Volume Levels' section of the Sound settings.
[16:25] <Cybergrad> I'm running Ubuntu 19.04.
[16:25] <Cybergrad> How does Ubuntu call/grab icons from these applications? Can I easily point it in the correct direction?
[16:26] <OerHeks> Chakravanti, wrong you only need sudo for the toold, the rest is all under your user credentials
[16:28] <OerHeks> Cybergrad, maybe that icon appears after logout/login? AFAIK the icon should work right away, unless you have a fancy theme/iconpack
[16:29] <Cybergrad> I haven't installed any icon packs or themes. I can re-logon to test the updated Wordpress version, but Spotify has had this issue across several sessions.
[16:30] <OerHeks> contact the maintainer from that snap
[16:30] <OerHeks> https://snapcraft.io/spotify
[16:31] <OerHeks> and/or https://snapcraft.io/wordpress-desktop
[16:35] <mikey> list of programs included in live version?
[16:37] <rdh> anyone familiar with virt-manager?
[16:38] <rdh> I cannot create a bridged network as user on virt-manager (i should have all the permissions correct), and when I try to create it running as root creating the network complains that there is no ip4tables backend... which there is.
[16:38] <lnostdal> check this out:    # snap install --beta ubuntu-core-vm --devmode      # ubuntu-core-vm init      ==>    Segmentation fault   ...ok x)      (  https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/secure-ubuntu-kiosk )
[16:53] <mikey> does ubuntu live have ffmpeg?
[16:54] <OerHeks> mikey, no, restricted-extras gives multimediatools, but do you want to install such in a live session?
[16:54] <OerHeks> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:00] <moveslow> Hello everyone :)
[17:00] <ioria> Apachez,  maybe found a fix (?) for the Super_L Arc menu issue  :   https://termbin.com/w9jc
[17:00] <thefatma> Hey guys, is there a 100% way to check if im runnin ubuntu desktop or server version ?
[17:01] <xamithan> It should tell you on boot up thefatma
[17:02] <OerHeks> thefatma, if you see a gui now, it could be server with a desktop
[17:02] <thefatma> OerHeks : that's why im asking :3
[17:03] <thefatma> xamithan : so your'e saying to try and read the boot lines ? isn't it 2 fast to read lol
[17:03] <xamithan> If I remember correctly server will give you the load, memory etc.  and desktop won't
[17:03] <xamithan> Unless they changed that at some point
[17:03] <ducasse> thefatma: check if the ubuntu-server package is installed
[17:04] <thefatma> ducasse : dpgk -l ubuntu-server?
[17:04] <ducasse> thefatma: for example
[17:04] <thefatma> ducasse : and what would that mean tho ?
[17:05] <ducasse> thefatma: if that lists the package as installed, then you have the server tools.
[17:06] <thefatma> ducasse : i want to check beacuse we have 30 servers installed , and they might actually have ubuntu desktop instead of server O-o
[17:06] <thefatma> ducasse: so package installation aren't good of a verification yet
[17:06] <ducasse> thefatma: there is no real other difference between server and desktop
[17:07] <thefatma> isn't there actually a simple way to find out lol? thats kind of wierd
[17:07] <thefatma> so it's just a thing of what come within the installation?
[17:07] <ducasse> yes
[17:07] <thefatma> bottom line everything can be installed / uninstalled on each ?
[17:07] <thefatma> i see..
[17:07] <xamithan> yes
[17:13] <Cybergrad> @OerHeks Thanks. I submitted support requests.
[17:19] <transhumanist> hi! this is a weird question, hoping just by chance to catch someone who might know. is there any software solution in Ubuntu for passing video cards to virtual machines based on virtualbox, without using pci pass through (for unsupported systems)?
[17:21] <supayoshi> Guys I need hel.
[17:21] <supayoshi> I have a lvm ubuntu based server installation, running for 4+ years now, updated to the LTS release. and its a LVM install
[17:21] <supayoshi> But the boot partition is 200 mb, ext2, infront of the LVM.
[17:22] <supayoshi> Been trying to move the lvm further along the disk, failed twice, tried to shrink the lvm, that worked... But cannot move it further along the disk.
[17:22] <supayoshi> So... itś either, back-up and reinstall on ext4 (hate LVM now) and have a 2gb or so /boot
[17:22] <supayoshi> or find a way to do this?
[17:25] <xamithan> Nothing wrong with a 200mb boot
[17:28] <supayoshi> well, my kernels fill it up, and I want to clean it up  and it fills itself everytime with garbage from old kernels.
[17:28] <supayoshi> and itś full once again, and Iḿ fed up having to clean it again and again and not being able to install packages.
[17:28] <xamithan> Any reason you just don't use apt autoremove before you do updates ?
[17:29] <xamithan> I think you can move partitions from the other side using livecd and gparted but it would take hours and have lots of chances to go wrong
[17:29] <ryuo> supayoshi: did it ever occur to you to make the autoremoval of kernels into a cron job?
[17:33] <MrPockets> Kernel Who?!'
[17:48] <plongshot> Is there a way to locate a post of mine in ubuntu forums from back in 2012 / 2013? I don't know that I have the same ubuntu forums account that I had when I furst joined and that would have been back when I very first started with ubuntu.  There is a post with a word in it (termiology for software development) that I can't recall and thought maybe there was a way to track down the post it was mentioned in.
[17:48] <plongshot> thanks
[17:49] <ducasse> plongshot: that's not really something we deal with, we don't support the forums
[18:01] <plongshot> ducasse: who does?
[18:01] <plongshot> I'm sure someone in the ubuntu organization cares about it
[18:01] <plongshot> cares that it's addressed that is
[18:02] <OerHeks> sure you can look up all your posts on ubuntuforums, if you happen to know your username
[18:02] <ducasse> i would think somebody connected to the forums are the right people to ask, look at the website
[18:13] <plongshot> ducasse: Thinking about it maybe it's smart to head over there to find out. Appreciate you guys. thx
[18:15] <ducasse> thefatma: also, /var/log/installer/media-info should indicate whether or not the server image was used for installation
[18:15] <thefatma> ducasse : thanks alot friend
[18:17] <chalcedony> my husband uses ubuntu 18.04. Where would he look to see why it's freezing up?
[18:22] <ryuo> chalcedony: there's many things that can cause those symptoms. it can range from a hardware issue to kernel or firmware bugs.
[18:23] <ducasse> chalcedony: when it freezes, reboot and check 'journalctl -b -1'. it might not show anything, though.
[18:24] <Apachez> ioria: and where would that go?
[18:24] <chalcedony> ducasse, thank you that is what i was looking for
[18:25] <ioria> Apachez, well, installed the extension, set the Super_L as hotkey, locked the screen with Super_R and it works ...
[18:25] <Apachez> yup
[18:25] <Apachez> but not when you lock with superl
[18:25] <ioria> Apachez, but if you lock with Super_L it does not
[18:25] <Apachez> win+l
[18:25] <ioria> yes
[18:26] <Apachez> great thing for crypto malwares
[18:26] <Apachez> exploit ubuntu to lockscreen and the user cannot gain control back to the desktop without reboot :P
[18:26] <ioria> Apachez, so i did i script that change the Super_key before locking and disable (to have again the hotkey) when it unloks ...
[18:26] <Apachez> kk
[18:26] <Apachez> amd pushed that to the lockscreen app of gnome?
[18:27] <ioria> Apachez, but, honestly, it does not works always
[18:30] <Apachez> but I dont get why the lcokscreen needs superl in order for the mouse to drag away the lockscreen so you get to the password prompt?
[18:30] <Apachez> or betteryet why cant the lockscreen always display the password prompt?
[18:30] <Apachez> I really hate that one must drag some screen away before you can type the password
[18:32] <OerHeks> esc works as the mouse drag, iirc
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> Apachez: Those are design decision that you would have to direct the developers of gdm, sddm, lightdm
[18:35] <Michel_> hey
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> Hello Michel_
[18:36] <Michel_> has anyone tried ubuntu studio?
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> Michel_: This channel focuses on supporting Ubuntu and its official flavors. Once you have installed it, you're welcome to ask questions regarding issues that you encounter while running Ubuntu studio. To ask general questions and ask for recommendations, please join our #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[18:40] <transhumanist> hi! hi! so every once in a while I hit a key and chrome maximizes the current tab but no menu or icons appear at the top for rewindowing chrome. What's the shortcut to turn it back into a window, all I can do is maximize and minimize and close it down and restart when this happens. Very annoying indeed!
[18:40] <transhumanist> no one is around in the chrome channel....ever to ask
[18:40] <OerHeks> transhumanist, oh, you found F11
[18:41] <transhumanist> ah  thanks!
[18:41] <OerHeks> :-)
[18:41] <transhumanist> much appreciated!
[18:41] <OerHeks> have fun!
[18:41] <vimar> there was some time ago in repo a fps game like UT, can't see it now anybody remembers i?
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> transhumanist: to escape the full screen mode, press F11 again. There should hvae been a notification near the top of the screen to tell you that you entered full screen and how to exit the full screen mode
[18:42] <transhumanist> not in my case but thanks for the follow-up pragmaticenigma
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> vimar: That's a better question to ask in the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[18:43] <transhumanist> I'd be really impressing my friends if I remembered all the damn shortcut keys :-)
[18:44] <OerHeks> there is no UT in apt, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games/Native/UnrealTournament
[18:44] <vimar> perhaps so pragmaticenigma
[18:44] <OerHeks> there is a linux port something, https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Unreal-Tournament-June-Linux
[18:49] <boisverd> hello
[18:49] <groke> hi
[18:49] <boisverd> anyone using 19.04?
[18:50] <groke> 1804
[18:50] <tomreyn> boisverd: surely someone does, what's your real question?
[18:51] <boisverd> question is: On HYPER-V, my VM keeps freezing during bootup
[18:51] <boisverd> anyone else experiencing same issue with 19.04 on hyper-v
[18:52] <tomreyn> we don't do hyper-v support here.
[18:52] <boisverd> ok, thanks
[18:52] <boisverd> Disco Rules!
[18:52] <boisverd> Never thought i would say that
[18:52] <ryuo> Dancing Dogs. Heh.
[18:58] <mra90> I have added a repository sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubilinux/up
[18:58] <mra90> now I should install it but where is kernel located?
[18:59] <mra90> when I try to install with sudo apt install kernel_name I get error message "E: couldn't find any package glob/regex 'kernel_nae"
[19:00] <xamithan> Go to the ppa website and read what packages are there,  install what you want.  PPAs are not supported here
[19:01] <mra90> xamithan: I follow this article https://wiki.up-community.org/Ubuntu#Install_Ubuntu_kernel_4.15.0_for_UP_from_PPA_on_Ubuntu_18.04
[19:01] <mra90> I have added the repository by ppa
[19:01] <mra90> as we discussed already
[19:01] <mra90> but I can install kernel they named there
[19:01] <mra90> can't *
[19:02] <xamithan> It's not in the package list for that ppa,  go read the package list and pick the right name or ask whoever made the wiki to update it
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> mra90: Also, support for kernels not provided in Ubuntu's main repositories is not available here. You have to contact the maintainers of those repositories for support.
[19:02] <mra90> xamithan: mhm where I can read the package
[19:03] <xamithan> The same link you were at earlier on launchpad.net
[19:04] <OerHeks> bad ppa, kernel is @ 4.18.x
[19:04] <OerHeks> and just run full-upgrade to get a newer kernel, if available
[19:04] <OerHeks> (* which is not)
[19:05] <mra90> ok I used tab to tell me this version exist for 18.04 not 16.04
[19:23] <Cybergrad> Does anyone have experience with the alien package/command for converting linux packages from RPM to Deb? I'm not sure the procedure I followed worked, as the installer for Maya 2019 is throwing errors about not being able to execute RPM packages.
[19:26] <anonymous> oi
[19:27] <anonymous> brasil
[19:27] <anonymous> ost esde de onde
[19:27] <anonymous> toy
[19:27] <anonymous> tor
[19:31] <chalcedony> is there a recommended antivirus for ubuntu 18.04? i think my husband is asking me about an Antivirus.
[19:32] <xamithan> Not really,  there is clamd
[19:33] <Cybergrad> Clam/Klam, F-Prot, and Avast
[19:34] <OerHeks> Cybergrad, alien and repackaging/using other code is not supported, good luck!
[19:34] <chalcedony> Cybergrad, does one actually need antivirus on Ubuntu?
[19:36] <Cybergrad> @Oer, thanks for the reply. I'll try my luck with contacting the author of the installation procedure.
[19:37] <Cybergrad> chalcedony: Yes, actually. If you are running a production system you should be concerned with the software your users are running on the workstations.
[19:37] <chalcedony> it always seemed that debian and other linuxes aren't really built to be infected in the ways that Windows is
[19:39] <OerHeks> antivirus is so 1999, heuristic scanners and network/file monitoring is of more use
[19:39] <Cybergrad> chalcedony: All computer systems are subject to malware. Linux does have certain design elements which render it less prone to infection, but malware does exist and vulnerabilities are surfaced just as for other kernels and userland softwares. Another consideration is interoperability. Networked computers, and indeed, anyone sharing files over the Internet should have concern for their neighbours and scan incoming and outgoing files
[19:40] <Cybergrad> OerHeks: Indeed. Antivirus is the colloquial term for any and all antimalware software, however. Most users aren't technical.
[19:41] <OerHeks> there is a nice !antivirus factoid
[19:41] <OerHeks> !antivirus
[19:41] <ryuo> chalcedony: i never use antivirus. clamav is designed for other purposes, notably email scanning.
[19:47] <Kimosabi> What up
[19:48] <OerHeks> great, no more need of wine for dos games https://snapcraft.io/dosbox-x
[19:49] <Jonopoly> we need roblox on linux :(
[19:49] <Jonopoly> son keeps wanting to play on my laptop but cant'# since i've made switch
[19:50] <Jonopoly> (from win to lin)
[19:51] <Cybergrad> jonopoly: does winehq offer any useful guides? You could also try looking into Valve's proton additions to the wine project. They might be useful.
[19:51] <Kimosabi> you can do it with wine I believe
[19:51] <Kimosabi> can I post a link?
[19:51] <analogical> Is there a guide somewhere about how to make Ubuntu work with UEFI secure boot cuz I can't get it to work :/
[19:51] <xamithan> No,  go to ##winehq
[19:51] <OerHeks> run roblox-android in android studio
[19:51] <xamithan> or ##linux
[19:52] <Jonopoly> I dont think you can with wine, you probably could a while ago
[19:52] <OerHeks> or join #winehq for application help
[19:52] <Jonopoly> oh ok thnaks will join them both
[20:10] <bbanner> hi guys how are you?
[20:11] <de-facto> how can i delete this annoying gnome behaviour of notifying me every few seconds that my mouse battery is almost empty?
[20:12] <de-facto> its extremely disrupting my workflow
[20:13] <CookieM> strange, it doesn’t report on weak battery in my mouse
[20:14] <de-facto> i have a logitec mouse
[20:14] <de-facto> can i somehow completely uninstall all gnome notifications?
[20:15] <OerHeks> disable them in systemsettings?
[20:17] <Cybergrad> So, lately I've been grabbing commercial software and it "just works."
[20:17] <de-facto> I already disabled them in systemsettings
[20:17] <de-facto> can i uninstall all gnome notifications stuff?
[20:17] <Cybergrad> DaVinci Resolve 16 comes packaged in a .run file which executes and installs like an .exe in Windows. Why don't more software vendors package like this and why is there all the fuss with Flatpack and Snap and Appimage?
[20:18] <de-facto> Cybergrad, because it probably just writes with root permissions somewhere in your system and you would have to rely on it to remove itself cleanly
[20:20] <OerHeks> all the fuss with Flatpack and Snap and Appimage? .. we don't do gossip
[20:20] <OerHeks> just technical support
[20:24] <CaCO3> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-6006U CPU @ 2.00GHz (500MHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.6 GiB Total (3.1 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 55.3 GB / 967.0 GB (911.7 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics 520] @ Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v5/E3-1500 v5/6th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Regi
[20:24] <CaCO3> sters • Uptime: 6h 42m 55s
[20:39] <Cybergrad> OerHeks: I'm trying to get DaVinci Resolve to boot up; it installed cleanly from the .run, but it says it can't locate any OpenCL capable GPUs. My HD 5870 has OpenCL 1.2 support. Software & Updates says no proprietary drivers are available for Ubuntu 19.04, and I cannot install the .deb I downloaded from AMDs website for my GPU.
[20:40] <Cybergrad> Oh, I see the driver is for Ubuntu 14.04. Silly me.
[20:44] <OerHeks> looks like prop software, no interest supporting it, while they get the money
[20:47] <ahi2> Cybergrad: you might need opencl runtime
[20:49] <Cybergrad> I set some aliases for some scientific software I installed in /opt/ the other day. Apparently my aliases got cleared because I just had to reset them.
[20:49] <Cybergrad> How can I make sure they don't get cleared?
[20:50] <OerHeks> don't "reset" them, perhaps?
[20:50] <OerHeks> i have no clue what you talk about ; reset, got cleared ...
[20:50] <Cybergrad> I used alias the other day to 'set' them. Today the 'command was not found.'
[20:53] <OerHeks> Cycheck your  .bashrc
[20:53] <OerHeks> Cybergrad, ^
[20:57] <Cybergrad> I ran the following:
[20:57] <Cybergrad> cat ./.bashrc | grep alias and I don't see anything about the aliases I set.
[20:57] <Cybergrad> What should I be checking for? I'm new to this aspect of system configuration.
[20:57] <OerHeks> i think ubuntu did not clear your .bashrc, so figure out what you did?
[21:00] <Cybergrad> Should my .bashrc list the aliases that I set during this session?
[21:00] <OerHeks> if you put them there, yes
[21:01] <OerHeks> just setting an alias on commandline does not survive reboot
[21:01] <Cybergrad> Okay, I had not set them in .bashrc; I'm guessing I can drop the command there and it will be set for every terminal session.
[21:01] <Cybergrad> Yes, I just discovered that as I opened a new terminal emulator and saw 'command not found' again. Thanks.
[21:01] <OerHeks> yes, that is the idea
[21:01] <OerHeks> oke, have fun!
[21:04] <Cybergrad> Alright, ./bash_aliases set. Thanks!
[21:12] <mra90> how can I see changes in kernel which made particlular HW work?
[21:13] <OerHeks> any kernel update gives a changelog, else learn C++ to read the code
[21:13] <mra90> OerHeks: rather C, which I know very vell
[21:14] <mra90> but this kernel I installed from .deb files
[21:14] <mra90> so how can I read the source code OerHeks ?
[21:16] <OerHeks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-generic choose your version, then changelog, or 'download the source'
[21:16] <OerHeks> any IDE/ hex editor can show it
[21:17] <OerHeks> or the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/SourceCode
[21:18] <mra90> OerHeks: ok fine I will read that, however i installed this version https://wiki.up-community.org/Ubuntu#Install_Ubuntu_kernel_4.15.0_for_UP_from_PPA_on_Ubuntu_18.04
[21:18] <OerHeks> oh, then get the code from that ppa?
[21:19] <mra90> OerHeks: how to fetch it then?
[21:20] <OerHeks> if theat wiki is right, and points to https://launchpad.net/~ubilinux/+archive/ubuntu/up/+packages .. there is no source?
[21:22] <mra90> OerHeks: this file looks promising linux-hwe_4.15.0-37.40~upboard03.tar.gz (166.4 MiB)
[21:23] <mra90> however the question is if it has all the modules
[21:23] <mra90> because under the link you pasted there are modules also listed separately
[21:27] <OerHeks> mra90, maybe the wiki / git is a better idea, for regular kerenls, i have no idea where they put the code
[21:27] <OerHeks> that is why we do not support PPA stuff, enless loop finding things
[21:28] <mra90> OerHeks: so what do you spport if not PPA?
[21:28] <OerHeks> i would get the source of launchpad, or git
[21:32] <mra90> OerHeks: I will do the same and try this "liinux-hwe_4.15.0-37.40~upboard03.tar.gz (166.4 MiB)"
[21:33] <OerHeks> For questions and bugs with software in this PPA please contact ubilinux. ubilinux@emutex.com
[21:33] <mra90> OerHeks: yeah, btw do you think all kernel moduels should be in that .tar.gz package?
[21:34] <mra90> I expect it to be complete in this regards
[21:34] <mra90> after all you should be able to build kernel out of this
[21:34] <OerHeks> yes, if you open that url on the ppa page, it shows them all
[21:36] <mra90> OerHeks: where did you find the refenece to PPa page?
[21:37] <OerHeks> from that wiki you posted?
[21:37] <OerHeks> sad to see 19 weeks no builds..
[21:38] <OerHeks> "lets make IoT safer.."
[21:39] <mra90> OerHeks: haha ;p
[21:39] <mra90> btwm, that wiki page only gives this link https://launchpad.net/~ubilinux/+archive/ubuntu/up/+packages
[21:39] <mra90> how did you be able o open that source package?
[21:39] <OerHeks> jups, that is what i found too
[21:40] <OerHeks> click on  linux-meta-hwe-upboard - 4.15.0.37.5000~upboard2 and the list will open
[21:40] <OerHeks> or the other one..
[21:41] <mra90> OerHeks: I installed the .deb files from linux-hwe - 4.15.0-37.40~upboard03
[21:41] <mra90> now from this dir I downloaded the tar file
[21:41] <mra90> however I don;t see any option to look up its sources
[21:42] <OerHeks> deb files are compiled code, the tar.gz contains the code you are looking for
[21:43] <OerHeks> but that ppa does not supply the source, as i found out earlier.
[21:43] <OerHeks> just the list with build modules and stuff
[21:43] <mra90> OerHeks: ok never mind I have downloaded and will check it myself
[21:44] <mra90> however before that I need to spot the driver which at the momemnt enables this HW
[21:44] <mra90> I mean particular GPIO port
[21:45] <mra90> I use it by echo some values on particular driver files like "direction", "value" how to, figure out what driver uses it?
[22:03] <amcclure> hello
[22:23] <guiverc> amcclure, conversation isn't encouraged in this room, it's a Ubuntu Support room; so if you have a Ubuntu Support question, please just ask it (try & keep to a single line & be patient waiting for replies)
[22:26] <amcclure> guiverc: ?
[22:27] <amcclure> I was going to ask if I would be able to create .deb packages on a non-debian based os...
[22:28] <pragmaticenigma> amcclure: You can, however that isn't a topic that is supported here. For that you will want to check out #ubuntu-app-devel
[22:28] <amcclure> ok
[22:28] <amcclure> ty pragmaticenigma
[22:37] <mra90> OerHeks: I found the driver, thanks for help
[22:37] <OerHeks> yay
[22:38] <Elec_A> Hi, when my ubuntu boots up, I get the error "System program problem detected, do you want to report the problem now?". How can I see what is the error? the system works just fine but I get this error when the system boots up.
[22:39] <Elec_A> I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 with Gnome.
[22:39] <woenx> Hey, how can I edit (blur) a few frames of a gif from Ubuntu?
[22:39] <OerHeks> Elec_A, the /var/log/apport.log contains crash log messages
[22:41] <OerHeks> woenx, tons of options, ImageMagick should be able to edit gif files
[22:41] <OerHeks> !info ImageMagick
[22:41] <Elec_A> OerHeks: That file is empty so looking into the same folder, I found the file apport.log.1 in which the error messages are for Friday, not today .
[22:42] <OerHeks> sure you used sudo?
[22:42] <Elec_A> OerHeks: yes, with and withour sudo. sudo cat /var/log/apport.log
[22:42] <Elec_A> without*
[22:44] <OerHeks> oh, wait, see with: ls /var/crash
[22:46] <Elec_A> OerHeks: yeah , There are two files in that folder. I'm removing them to see if the crashes are old. Not sure what is causing the issue.
[22:46] <Elec_A> Files are "_usr_lib_x86_64-linux-gnu_xfce4_panel_wrapper-2.0.1000.crash  _usr_sbin_lightdm.0.crash"
[22:46] <Elec_A> There is absolutely no useful information in those files.
[22:48] <OerHeks> searching for "ubuntu xfce4 panel wrapper-2.0" gives a lot of buggies
[22:48] <OerHeks> but i think it respawns again, properly.. but inconveniant
[22:49] <Elec_A> OerHeks: True, but I need to find a way to get a clue where the problem is coming from. I'll dig into the crash files more carefully soon. Maybe next weekend after my classes.
[22:49] <woenx> OerHeks: I found out Gimp can do it out of the box :)
[22:50] <Elec_A> woenx: ofcourse it can. :)
[22:51] <OerHeks> sure, tons of options, have fun!
[22:52] <woenx> :D
[22:59] <puhdabear> Hello World!
[23:00] <hggdh> Elec_A: *.crash files are "raw" bug reports. They still have to be processed, or split into individual files
[23:01] <Elec_A> hggdh: I see. I'll google it. If you know how can I do that, I would totally appreciate if you could share it.
[23:01] <Elec_A> "apport-retrace" ?
[23:02] <hggdh> Elec_A: although one could look at them, the best option is to open a bug with it
[23:02] <hggdh> Elec_A: or, depending, apport-retrace, yes
[23:02] <Elec_A> I see! Thanks.
[23:39] <Guest68504> Hi
[23:39] <Guest68504> Hello guys
[23:40] <Guest68504> So lonely here
[23:41] <Crash1hd> Hey everyone so I moved my ubuntu installation into an esxi server I then mounted all the extra data drives yet when I mount them and go to view them in the nautilus it says This location could not be displayed.  Yet when I go into terminal as toot and ls -al the folder it is set to the same user as the logged in user and the files are set to 777 so I cant figure out why I am not able to access them now???
[23:42] <Guest68504> Try to ask to google, I have many problem, I always search in google
[23:44] <Crash1hd> I have... google suggested to chown and chmod (but as I was saying its set to the user and its already 777 so I am at a loss)
[23:44] <Crash1hd> Root can see everything just fine so I know its mounted correctly
[23:47] <tomreyn> permissions / ownership of the containing directoy also matter. mount options do, too.
[23:48] <Crash1hd> Oh haha thanks tomreyn yeah the parent folder is not accessable
[23:48] <Crash1hd> thanks
[23:49] <Crash1hd> Yet I am unsure as to why the user should be the same?
[23:49] <Guest68504> Haha nice
[23:49] <Crash1hd> Oh haha never mind lol yeah the folder is owned by root
[23:49] <tomreyn> Crash1hd: it doesn't have to be the same user, as longas it has permission to access.
[23:49] <Crash1hd> Right.
[23:52] <Guest68504> I wanna off, bye guys ::)
[23:52] <Guest68504> quit
[23:58] <baako> hi guys wft is DUmmy output?
[23:58] <baako> dont have any sound and all am getting is dummy output on 18.04 desktop