Fudgeanyone have some available time that could walk through some live-build steps, willing to pay for the individual's time.00:56
willcookemorning all04:41
dufluMorning willcooke04:42
willcookeafternoon duflu04:42
willcookeJet lag got me up at 5:30, figured I might as well do some email before the kids get up04:43
jibelHey willcooke05:03
jibelstill jetlagged )05:03
willcookehaha!  I thought you might be here already :D  Morning jio05:04
jibelwoke up at 5:0005:04
willcookeAlthough Saturday night I went to bed at about 9 and woke up at 9 Sunday morning :)05:05
willcookeGood journey home?05:05
jibelYeah, the trip was uneventful05:05
jibelAlthough I'll avoid a connection in Shanghai next time, this airport is huge05:06
jibel1h30 to go from one terminal to the other and check-in05:06
willcookeI had about 3 hours in KL which was enough time to find the gate, find a bar and get some sit-down dinner, do a bit of shopping and get to the gate early05:09
willcookeThe 13 hours home was literally a PITA.  The seat was very uncomfortable05:10
dufluMorning jibel05:10
jibelhi duflu05:10
dufluwillcooke, what airline had the bad seat?05:10
willcookeUbiquiti wifi APs... do they **need** a POE injector05:10
willcookeduflu, BA.  I hate them now.05:10
jibellike any long trip it's like your seated on a piece of wood after several hours05:11
willcookeI think my butt hole healed over05:11
jibelwillcooke, no they come with a power supply if you don't have an router with a POE socket05:11
jibelwillcooke, the AP is connected to the power supply with an ethernet cable so you can use a long one if the wall socket if far from where you want to place the antenna05:14
willcooke(need to restart - brb)05:15
willcookeoh wait, no I dont05:15
didrocksgood morning06:06
dufluMorning didrocks and oSoMoN06:09
didrockshey duflu06:10
willcookemorning didrocks oSoMoN06:10
oSoMoNhey duflu, didrocks, willcooke06:11
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:11
didrockshey early willcooke, morning oSoMoN06:11
willcookeoSoMoN, do you have Thunderbird installed by chance?06:13
willcooke*by any06:13
oSoMoNwillcooke, I do06:23
oSoMoNI don't use it for e-mail atm, but it's there06:23
willcookeoSoMoN, can you see if this is real?  https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1254659#answer-121673506:27
willcookenot urgent06:27
oSoMoNwillcooke, I can confirm, and it appears the title of the confirmation box uses the name of the folder currently sele06:29
oSoMoNlooks like an upstream bug to me06:29
oSoMoNgotta go to school now, will dig further and file an upstream bug if necessary06:30
willcookeoSoMoN, nw.  Not sure how that's somehow an Ubuntu problem.  Ho humm06:38
* willcooke -> get the kids up06:39
pieqHello everyone!06:57
pieqDoes anyone here know who is in charge of snapcrafting Musescore? (https://snapcraft.io/musescore) I looked on their website and in the source code, but there is no trace of debian packaging recipes nor snapcraft.yaml...06:58
didrockshey pieq. I don't really know but snap info musescore says that MuseScore is the publisher, so sounds like upstream itself. Maybe popey would know (and this could be discussed on #snappy or snapcraft.io forum)07:02
jameshpieq: it looks like the user "pachulo" on the snapcraft forum is responsible for it: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-musescore-v3-0-1/958607:04
jameshyou could try messaging him there07:04
pieqdidrocks, jamesh thanks a lot! I didn't know where to start digging for info, I never think of going on forums to look for things... :)07:06
seb128good morning desktopers07:06
willcookemorning seb12807:07
seb128hey willcooke, you are up early!07:08
willcookeI've been here for hours :)07:08
seb128how are you? had a good week/trip back?07:08
seb128or you are not back yet?07:08
didrocksmorning seb12807:08
seb128lut didrocks07:08
willcookeseb128, easy enough trip back, just long, boring and uncomfortable.  So business as usual.07:08
dufluMorning seb12807:10
dufluwillcooke,  "economy as usual" :)07:10
seb128hey duflu, how are you?07:10
dufluseb128, I am good. Still feeling behind schedule though so I will finish that doc for you today07:11
dufluHow are you seb128?07:11
dufluIt was a perfect storm having the release, Easter and ANZAC day all around the same time07:11
seb128duflu, don't worry, the others didn't write/their sent me anything yet either, there is no hurry07:11
willcookeduflu, ha, good point07:12
dufluseb128, are we going to release 3.32.1 to disco?07:12
seb128duflu, disco is done, we are going to SRU the .1 that make sense for a SRU though07:12
dufluYes, SRU07:12
seb128which probably mean skipping tarballs that only ship translations updates (not very useful since we strip those out to langpack but in practice we don't do langpack updates on non LTS)07:13
seb128but I guess you are more interested by the gnoe-shell stack, I expect we do SRUs for that yes07:13
pieqwillcooke, glad to know you made it back easily (albeit not comfortably)07:14
willcookepieq, Got off the plane in to 8 degrees c.  cccccccold07:14
didrockswillcooke: waow, worse than here, we lost some degrees but not that much :)07:17
willcookeSummer over already XD07:17
didrocksI hope you enjoyed the summer holidays :p07:18
didrocksmeaning: flying ;)07:18
jibelIs there a way to trigger an action on a kernel panic or a specific driver crash?07:23
jibelin my case nouveau07:23
pieqhey jibel, I see you're enjoying the testing laptop already :)07:29
pieqjibel, what kind of action do you want to trigger?07:30
jibelpieq, just display a message on the console saying to boot in "safe graphics" mode07:33
jibelcurrently it hangs when the GUI session comes up07:34
seb128willcooke, jamesh, kenvandine, unsure if we keep a list of desktopish snap problem, but https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/mpris-can-not-be-used-with-snaps/11119/ should probably be on it07:42
seb128ah, there were comments but I didn't see those via emails because the topic was moved to another section07:43
willcookeodd, because e.g. spotify works.  Could be a problem with the snap itself07:43
jameshseb128: looking07:43
jameshwillcooke: this seems to be about controlling music apps via D-Bus: it wouldn't stop the music app itself working07:45
jameshthings like the old sound indicator in Unity 707:45
marcustomlinsonmorning oSoMoN willcooke pieq didrocks jamesh seb128 duflu jibel \o07:47
jameshhi marcustomlinson07:47
dufluMorning marcustomlinson07:47
seb128hey marcustomlinson07:47
dufluAfternoon jamesh07:47
willcookejamesh, yeah that's what I mean:  https://imgur.com/a/y9sc8TZ07:49
willcookemorning marcustomlinson07:49
didrocksgood morning marcustomlinson!07:49
willcookejamesh, well, actually, I /think/ that's what I mean.  Could be different paths sttill07:49
jameshwillcooke: on a second read of the thread, it sounds like this is an additional constraint imposed by KDE rather than something in the MPRIS spec itself.  This isn't the only case of snapd's desktop file naming policy causing problems though07:50
jameshthere aren't obvious simple solutions though.07:51
jameshit's trying to link a MPRIS bus name back to the associated application .desktop file.07:53
jibelhi marcustomlinson07:53
oSoMoNgood morning pieq, jamesh, seb128, marcustomlinson, jibel07:55
seb128Salut oSoMoN! En forme? Did you have good holifays07:56
oSoMoNsalut seb128! all good, and you? holidays are a record from the distant past at this point, but week-end was very good :)08:01
seb128oSoMoN, ah, sorry, I missed the fact that you were already back last week :)08:02
seb128hey Laney08:02
didrocksmorning Laney08:03
seb128oSoMoN, I had a nice long w.e (too friday off), spending some time in France, in the north this week08:03
* oSoMoN is in stealth mode08:03
oSoMoNhey Laney08:03
willcookemorning Laney08:04
marcustomlinsonseb128: I was hogging oSoMoN all to myself :P08:04
oSoMoNseb128, I haven't followed up with upstream mozilla/geoclue on bug #1826290, do you want me to?08:05
ubot5`bug 1826290 in geoclue-2.0 (Ubuntu) "geoclue mozilla location api key rate limited" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182629008:05
dufluMorning Laney08:08
Laneymoin seb128 didrocks oSoMoN willcooke duflu, what's up?08:08
didrocksLaney: not much, good week-end surrounded by Red Hat guys mostly :)08:09
Laneyoh yeah, interviews? ;-)08:10
didrocksahah, if only people did interviews while eating lunch/playing board games! :)08:10
seb128oSoMoN, I was waiting on willcooke to reply/comment08:11
Laneyyeah was good thanks, went to the local charity shops to find things for a pirate outfit, surprisingly successful and cheap08:11
seb128didrocks, that was not how the interview went at Canonical? ;-)08:12
Laneydidrocks didn't get interviewed, he just hacked the HR database and started working08:12
seb128get to fly to UDS, play tetrinet with vuntz08:12
Laneyyou can do a lot via postinst scripts :>08:12
didrocksseb128: ahah, I remember we talked about food with ogra when he interviewed me, so yeah :)08:15
didrocksLaney: shhhhhhh08:15
didrocksI still remember signing my contrat while sitting on the floor with Alice, at UDS08:15
didrocksgood times!08:15
ogralol, oh man ... now i feel old !08:15
didrocksas I'm not in: but you are ogra :)08:16
didrockslike all of us :p08:16
jibeltseliot, Hey do you know if nvidia-detector is used by anything?08:48
jibelit's broken but it doesn't seem to be used anywhere (I checked in the installer and software-properties)08:49
tseliotjibel: I don't think it is any more. I am leaving it there just because we might want to use something like that (in the future) when performing dist-upgrades (to migrate drivers)08:54
jibeltseliot, okay, I'll fix it then, I may use it in the installer.08:56
jibeltseliot, also I filled bug 182684408:57
ubot5`bug 1826844 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-drivers-* are not on the ISO" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182684408:57
jibeltseliot, could you have a look?08:57
jibelI think they should be on ship-live08:58
jibelbut not sure if there is licensing issues08:58
tseliotjibel: is that on the Ubuntu installer?08:58
tseliotjibel: the nvidia drivers are in restricted, so, as long as restricted is enabled, it should work08:59
dufluOh my. 19.10 isos already09:04
jibeltseliot, not is there is no network09:21
tseliotjibel: are the codecs on the iso? If not, we should probably disable the checkbox09:22
jibeltseliot, no but it's less important IMHO, if the user doesn't install proprietary drivers the system may not work after installation because nouveau doesn't support the card09:23
tjaaltonjibel: how would it boot the installer then?09:23
jibeltjaalton, in safe graphics mode09:23
tjaaltonif nomodeset is used it'll get carried over to the installed system09:24
tjaaltonor should, aiui09:24
jibelah, let me check09:24
dufluYes, I still see bug reports from users about that09:24
jibeltjaalton, no it is no09:24
seb128duflu, 'that' being?09:25
tjaaltonsounds like a bug09:25
dufluseb128, if you installed with 'nomodeset' then you get it stuck on. Meaning low res graphics09:25
seb128duflu, even if you enable nvidia drivers post install?09:26
seb128if so that sounds like something ubuntu-drives should handle09:26
dufluseb128, I don't think that's relevant because Nvidia doesn't support 'modeset' by default :)09:26
dufluBut it would be relevant if someone tried to go back to nouveai09:26
tjaaltoncan't make everyone happy09:27
tseliotjibel: including the nvidia drivers in the image (as in "in the pool")  wouldn't be a problem, legally speaking, since the kernel modules wouldn't be built, unless the user tries to install them09:27
jibeli'm preparing a doc that summarizes all of this, I'll mention nomodeset not being carried over.09:28
dufluI guess it's not a common problem. It's only going to happen for "new" GPUs that nouveau can't handle, and other more rare vendors09:29
tseliotubuntu-drivers could remove "nomodeset", if needed. As duflu said, though, we don't really enable modesetting for nvidia, except for hybrid graphics09:30
duflutseliot, FYI I am tracking issues with that, so don't recommend enabling it by default... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=nvidia-drm.modeset09:31
jibelduflu, I've a laptop with an mx150, so not super fancy stuff, and it doesn't boot with nouveau09:32
tseliotduflu: yes, I definitely won't do that ;)09:33
tseliotbut thanks for tracking that09:33
duflujibel, I know that's not very new, but in terms of nouveau it is09:33
dufluwhich probably sounds confusing to a French speaker09:34
didrocksthose project names :)09:34
dufluYeah, I think more developers need to be willing to make up new words09:35
oSoMoNwillcooke, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1547664, definitely not an ubuntu-specific bug09:35
ubot5`Mozilla bug 1547664 in Untriaged ""File > Empty Trash" incorrectly displays "Empty <current folder>" in confirmation dialog title" [Normal,Unconfirmed]09:35
didrocksFinally fixed my secondary laptop boot \o/09:37
didrockswas puzzling: being able to see gdm, log into it and when user session starts, locks up09:37
didrockswhich lead to "anytime I switch VT, it locks up"09:37
didrocksthought it was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/1822184, but I didn't alias sh to bash…09:37
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1822184 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "clear_console locks up video when X is running and you log out from a plain text console" [Undecided,Confirmed]09:37
didrocksit was subiquity snap that I forgot to remove before rebooting months ago and a new version created this tty switch issue09:38
didrocksbut without logs of anything that starts on the machine, was hard to find… (and as it booted, gdm was showing up and working…)09:39
seb128Laney, I guess you properly filter launchpad emails, but mentioning still in case, SRU bug #1816547 got a autpkgtest investigation needed comment11:21
ubot5`bug 1816547 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu Bionic) "SRU 2.56.4 to bionic" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181654711:21
Laneyseb128: yes got it, I'm assigned to the bug, thx11:22
seb128Laney, np :)11:22
xnoxwillcooke, seb128, Laney - do we need like a virtual porting sprint of duliplicity/deja-dup to python3?11:45
seb128xnox, no11:45
xnoxseb128, is it in progress by somebody already? i saw the trello card on desktop board, is there more info?11:45
seb128xnox, it's done upstream, just didn't get tested enough to be shipped in a tarball/declared as stable11:46
seb128but it's probably going to be done before mid-cycle11:46
seb128so should land in Ubuntu this cycle without problem11:47
xnoxis there like a ppa to test it? maybe we can contribute testing / stress testing it?11:47
seb128xnox, not that I know, but you have some details on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/duplicity/+spec/python311:52
xnoxomg blueprints!11:54
seb128popey, hey, do you know where to report bugs about the teeworlds snap? It's feature in gnome-software, I installed it on my old laptops but the 32bits build is buggy and included an amd64 binary14:27
seb128$ teeworlds-unofficial.teeworlds14:28
seb128 /snap/teeworlds-unofficial/10/command-teeworlds.wrapper: 2: exec: /snap/teeworlds-unofficial/10/bin/teeworlds: Exec format error14:28
willcookeseb128, popey is OOO atm at a conference14:42
seb128willcooke, k, no worry, I'm probably the only person still having a 32 bit Ubuntu laptop :)14:43
Laneyseb128 busted playing games at work14:43
* Laney telnet nethack.alt.org14:44
seb128Laney, I was testing gnome-software :p14:44
didrocksthat's what he said :)14:44
oSoMoNseb128, does the 0ad snap work on 32 bits, while you're at it? ;)15:04
Trevinhomorning folks15:07
willcookehi Trevinho15:09
Trevinhohi willcooke15:09
marcustomlinson"morning" Trevinho15:09
oSoMoNgood afterning Trevinho15:10
Trevinhomarcustomlinson: hi, welcome :) (well I was mostly off last week, so...)15:10
TrevinhooSoMoN: hey too15:10
Trevinhoand well it's morning here in Oaxaca :)15:11
Trevinho[has to be read something like "Wakaka"]15:11
marcustomlinsonWakaka Meh'hico15:12
marcustomlinsonNice, I hear they have good food down there15:13
Trevinhoeverything is good here. Food, weather, people15:13
Trevinhooffice view  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/dz9kLXrD/IMG_20190429_101409.jpg15:15
seb128hey trevinho, how are you?15:17
Trevinhoseb128: hi!! all good.15:18
didrockshey Trevinho15:18
Trevinhodidrocks: hi15:18
zygaseb128: hey15:26
zygaseb128: I believe I'm hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/181712815:26
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1817128 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu) "gnome-keyring not automatically unlocked on login" [High,Fix released]15:26
zygaseb128: or something related perhaps, on each boot gdm doesn't start correctly, restarting it always helps15:27
zygaseb128: perhaps the error I referenced is wrong, let me look through logs more carefully15:28
zygajournal log from a boot with failed gdm http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f2TgG9xCdQ/15:30
zyga 15:30
* zyga switched to english to get more useful ogs15:30
zygaseb128: note that this is using a spinning-rust-hdd, not ssd, so perhaps it is a race of some sort15:30
seb128zyga, the bug you mentioned there is about the keyring not being unlocked on logging which leads to get prompted again for your login password in the session when something tries to access it15:33
seb128zyga, your description following sounds different then15:34
zygayeah, that's not the bug, seems like a red herring15:34
zygaperhaps related to nvidia-persistenced15:34
zygaI'll disable that and retry15:34
seb128can you do a 'clean' description of what is happening exactly?15:34
seb128gdm fails to start a session?15:34
zygaseb128: on each boot gdm doesn't start successfuly, restarting gdm always works and desktop operates normally15:35
seb128oh, that pastebin looks like a real error15:35
zygayeah, fun me when using real hardware instead of VMs :)15:35
seb128zyga, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/1799305 sounds like the same error15:36
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1799305 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (Ubuntu) "No desktop after reboot when using nvidia graphics on 18.10" [Undecided,Confirmed]15:36
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1798790 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu login screen never appears when using the Nvidia driver (and setting WaylandEnable=false fixes it)" [High,Confirmed]15:37
zyga yes, it looks identical15:37
zygathough I used nvidia 41815:37
seb128yeah, I don't think the driver version matters15:37
zygaset WaylandEnable=false as the bug chatter suggets15:38
zygaso, can you explain what is the situation with wayland or ubuntu? I read we are using Xorg, not wayland15:38
seb128gdm uses wayland15:38
zygathat's interesting15:38
zygabut restarting gdm does work15:38
seb128because otherwise it wouldn't be able to start a wayland session15:39
seb128yeah, it does seem racy15:39
seb128but only a problem when wayland is in use15:39
zygaswitched wayland off now... fingers crossed15:39
Laneyit's meant to fall back to xorg15:39
Laneybut that apparently doesn't work15:39
zygayep, I see the cursor now15:39
zygaand gdm worked as well15:39
zygahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1798790 is the real deal there15:39
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1798790 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu login screen never appears when using the Nvidia driver (and setting WaylandEnable=false fixes it)" [High,Confirmed]15:39
seb128we should perhaps rls-incoming that one15:40
zygaif you need someone to debug this I'm here to help15:40
zygaotherwise I'll keep using waylandenable=false to work on nvidia snaps15:40
seb128is that on a laptop that you might have to the next sprint? ;)15:41
zygano, unfortunately not15:41
zygait's an older desktop with GTX 65015:41
seb128well, still good to know that you can get debug info15:41
Laneyget a journal log with debugging enabled in gdm3/custom.conf, and file an upstream bug imho15:41
Laneythat's the first step15:41
seb128zyga, could you enable debug in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf15:41
seb128what Laney said15:41
seb128Laney, zyga, according to that launchpad bug it's reported upstream as https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/issues/43515:42
gitbotGNOME issue 435 in gdm "Ubuntu 18.10 login screen never appears when using the Nvidia driver" [Closed]15:42
seb128but that has no debug log atm15:42
seb128so would be good to add one15:42
zygacollecting now15:42
Laneygdm debugging isn't on15:42
gitbotGNOME issue 435 in gdm "Ubuntu 18.10 login screen never appears when using the Nvidia driver" [Closed]15:46
Laneythx, might want to attach that, pastebin gets cleared out sometimes15:48
Laneyalso reopen the bug I guess15:49
* Laney didn't notice before that it's closed15:49
zygadone now15:50
zygaoh, indeed15:50
zygacan I do something else?15:52
zygain that case, I'll EOD16:03
* Laney waves16:04
* willcooke -> EOD16:04
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seb128zyga, thx (I didn't notice either that it was closed)16:30
seb128oSoMoN, thx for geoloc key email, btw I just tried and get the error atm while I didn't like an hour ago16:31
seb128so I guess we reach the number of requests around mid afternoon16:31
oSoMoNseb128, ack, thanks for testing/confirming. Getting our own key would only mitigate the issue, not fix it for good, but I hope they offer some sort of monitoring for API key owners so that we get a rough picture of how many requests we're dealing with16:33
seb128and maybe we can convince them to give us an higher quota16:34
Trevinhoseb128: can you check weather https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+merge/362055 is really merged and in case mark is as such please?17:19
TrevinhoSo I can prepare next round where we had some OEM requests too IIRC.17:20
Trevinhoand would probably be the ase to include that XUbuntuCancel thing too?17:20
robert_ancellkenvandine, meeting?19:32
kenvandineSorry, I had to decline today19:33
kenvandineNeed to pickup one of my kids from school19:33
kenvandineLeaving right now :-)19:33
kenvandinerobert_ancell: ^^19:33

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