[00:57] <fleabeard> hello friends, is there a way to tell if a cronjob is scheduled in the terminal, and if so, how could I disable it temporarily?
[00:58] <tomreyn> fleabeard: a (restricted) users' cron job, or a system cron job?
[00:58] <fleabeard> my situation is I have a cronjob scheduled to shutdown my pc every night @ midnight, but I need to temporarily disable that since I'm converting some video files and it's gonna take a good 2 days of processing to do that :/
[00:59] <Kon-> I used PPA-Purge to downgrade my Mesa drivers and it mostly worked except for the mesa-common-dev package. How can I best manually downgrade this?
[01:00] <fleabeard> hi tomreyn I believe it to be a system cronjob, though I'm not 100% sure.
[01:00] <tomreyn> fleabeard: find out how you configured your cronjob, what you say sounds like a users' crontab which can be viewed using   crontab -l   and edited using    crontab -e
[01:00] <tomreyn> fleabeard: adding a # in front will disable it
[01:01] <fleabeard> thanks tomreyn, I just commented it out. Do I have to do anything else to like,refresh it or something so it picks up the changes?
[01:01] <tomreyn> Kon-: sudo apt install mesa-common-dev=TARGETVERSION
[01:02] <tomreyn> fleabeard: no, the crontab command takes care of this.
[01:02] <fleabeard> tomreyn, great, thanks for your help!
[01:02] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[01:04] <Kon-> thanks tomreyn
[01:31] <jayjo> when I connect via 'sudo openvpn config.ovpn' the corrects routes are pushed to my vpn, but when I use the network manager and import the file it routes all traffic through the vpn when I only want internal routes. Is there a way to get the ntwork manager to just use openvpn ?
[01:37] <Randune> hi all..I'm having an issue with the mok manager, (mmx64.efi), the screen doesn't draw completely, it says "Press any key to perform MOK management" but the rest of the screen isn't drawn (except for the countdown timer).  When I press enter to continue, the countdown timer stops but the screen isn't re-drawn, can I pass a video mode option to mmx64.efi on boot or something like that?
[01:38] <Randune> from what I understand, the program is actually running but the screen isn't being redrawn
[02:09] <guzzlefry> Any reason why I'd be seeing root processes running Firefox in nethogs?
[02:09] <mouses> guzzlefry: access to hardware like GPU
[02:10] <guzzlefry> phew okay
[02:10] <guzzlefry> That's been making me paranoid for months. :P
[02:17] <crusaderad> Hello everyone, I have a networking question for anyone listening...
[02:22] <crusaderad> I have a wifi router (A) and a firewall (B). A distributes all my wireless devices DHCP IPs on 192.168.0.XXX. B Distributes all my wired devices DHCP IPs on 192.168.1.XXX. A ubuntu wifi device cannot ping a wired device.
[02:25] <Mead> firewalls tend to block ping traffic these says, either physical or the software firewalls on the hosts themselves
[02:26] <mouses> beyond that, lots of default hardware firewalls will also block ping traffic
[02:26] <crusaderad> Sorry, I disconnected and didn't see your first message, mouses
[02:27] <mouses> 21:25 <Mead> firewalls tend to block ping traffic these says, either physical or the software firewalls on the hosts themselves
[02:27] <Mead> firewalls tend to block ping traffic these says, either physical or the software firewalls on the hosts themselves
[02:27] <crusaderad> I should also say that I didn't have this issue on Fedora 29 for some reason.
[02:27] <MannyLNJ1> Assstance needed please. I am trying to do apt-get update and it throws an error. W: Conflicting distribution: http://debian.opennms.org stable Release (expected stable but got opennms-24) How do I fix this?
[02:28] <mouses> crusaderad: In my case, on my digital ocean droplet - I had to open a port and do some minor config changes to allow pings
[02:29] <mouses> MannyLNJ1: according to a fast google search, perhaps - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53064889/opennms-installation-fails-with-error-expected-stable-but-got-opennms-23-is-it - may put you on the right track to solving this?
[02:30] <crusaderad> In nautilus, when I open "Other Locations", nothing shows up either... no other machines, shares etc
[02:30] <crusaderad> Maybe I'm missing some odd dependency?
[02:31] <MannyLNJ1> mouses, thank you
[02:31] <Mead> Not ubuntu, but after windows 7 rolled out in the CCNA lab the firewalls blocked all ping request, I had to tell students to just disable the firewalls everytime they booted since they used deep freeze or some kind of imaging system so that the computers would be prestine everytime they booted.
[02:32] <mouses> MannyLNJ1: No problem, let us know if it worked and if not we can look at it more for you
[02:32] <crusaderad> Well, it's also not so much pings I'm concerned about, it's more so browsing file shares and / or connecting via ssh or sftp.
[02:33] <crusaderad> I can't hit anything, it's like this fresh install is off the grid.
[02:33] <Mead> soo, no traffic is passing between them? Are they on different subnets?
[02:38] <crusaderad> No, nothing, can't make a connection at all. Same subnet.
[02:38] <crusaderad> Worked fine on Fedora 29.
[02:39] <mouses> crusaderad: check local firewall settings
[02:40] <mouses> make sure the services you want are enabled and running
[02:40] <mouses> etc
[02:42] <MannyLNJ1> mouses, I am now getting  The repository 'http://debian.opennms.org openms-24 Release' does not have a Release file. after changing deb http://debian.opennms.org/ opennms-23 main in the answer you gave me to deb http://debian.opennms.org/ opennms-24 main
[02:43] <crusaderad> mouses: outbound requests might be blocked?
[02:43] <mouses> MannyLNJ1: ditch the space between '.org/ open'
[02:44] <mouses> wait, I think?  Hang on, let me poke at that
[02:44] <mouses> my apt-fu is a bit weak
[02:44] <mouses> nah, you had it right
[02:45] <mouses> MannyLNJ1: sorry, not sure - hopefully others here can help you sort it :(
[02:46] <MannyLNJ1> ty mouses
[02:46] <mouses> MannyLNJ1: welcome - wish I could have helped more than just searching google
[02:58] <crusaderad> mouses: I figured it out... Ubuntu doesn't resolve hostnames... hitting the IP for any service works... do you know why Ubuntu can find things by hostname?
[02:58] <mouses> crusaderad: that's weird - have you made any local dns changes or perhaps running some kind of service that is causing issues?
[02:59] <crusaderad> mouses: nope... just did a fresh install from fedora to ubuntu and now it doesn't work on the Ubuntu machine.
[03:00] <mouses> crusaderad: can you ping a domain via CLI?
[03:00] <mouses> as in, $ ping google.com
[03:02] <crusaderad> mouses: yep, I can ping google np
[03:03] <mouses> crusaderad: weird - totally not sure on this :(
[03:03] <mouses> crusaderad: it's possible whatever repo is having issues might be having problems with their DNS or something
[03:03]  * mouses shrugs
[03:05] <crusaderad> ok, np, IPs work for now, thanks anyway!
[03:12] <digitalw00t> Heya.. I'm trying to partition a usb stick with sgdisk, but I keep getting a permission denied on the device.
[03:12] <digitalw00t> It's not mounted, and I am root.  Not sure why it says that.
[03:18] <Bashing-om> digisho: Confirm that the GUI did not mount the USB stick - ' mount ' shows what ?
[03:23] <peter_> hello
[03:24] <Bashing-om> peter_: Hello - Your support question ?
[03:38] <heelrayner> in
[03:38] <heelrayner> !deepin
[03:39] <Bashing-om> 1flavors | heelrayner
[03:40] <Bashing-om> !flavors | heelrayner
[03:42] <heelrayner> I tried to install deepin DE using a guide found here: https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/install-deepin-desktop-on-linux/ the results are here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m9yr2Tvx6r/ how do i fix this issue?
[03:48] <Cleverness> heelrayner: you're trying this on Ubuntu 18.04 right?
[03:50] <heelrayner> yes
[03:51] <heelrayner> @Cleverness, fresh install
[03:53] <Cleverness> did you sudo -i at line 4?
[03:57] <Cleverness> @heelrayner give me a few min, gonna spin up a VM and see if I get the same error with those instructions
[04:01] <heelrayner> Cleverness, thank you@
[04:15] <hyem> hello
[04:15] <heelrayner> hello
[04:16] <hyem> help
[04:16] <Cleverness> @heelrayner its finishing the install in 1 minute on this VM so ill see if its spitting out the same error.  My log will be bigger than yours since it includes all the initial updates from fresh OS
[04:16] <Sveta> hi, hyem and heelrayner
[04:16] <hyem> how to make irc channel?
[04:17] <hyem> can you help me?
[04:17] <hyem> im from indonesia.
[04:19] <Bashing-om> hyem: irc operations are conducted in the #freenode channel :)
[04:21] <heelrayner> whats up Sveta
[04:21] <heelrayner> Cleverness, okies :-
[04:21] <Cleverness> @heelrayner did a fresh install and its gone through fine installing deepin on 18.04
[04:21] <hyem> quit
[04:22] <heelrayner> i wonder what caused my issue then...
[04:22] <heelrayner> :-(
[04:23] <heelrayner> is there a prefered way to burn the iso to the usb? i used etcher
[04:24] <Cleverness> @hellrayner https://imgur.com/6hLUKTh it shouldnt, I used rufus from a windows machine for my 18.04.2 image thats on this desktop now
[04:25] <Cleverness> probably best to do a fresh install if you can, you have some broken package or something thats interfereing with that install
[04:25] <heelrayner> is there a way to repair all files like sfc in windows?
[04:26] <Cleverness> not the same way.  you can attempt to install deborphan and see if it picks up any unusued packages
[04:27] <Cleverness> since that was the error you were getting https://www.ostechnix.com/how-to-find-and-remove-unused-packages-in-linux/
[04:27] <heelrayner> with a fresh install
[04:27] <heelrayner>  i should firefox kept crashing
[04:27] <heelrayner> add*
[04:27] <Cleverness> fresh install you wouldnt need to use that link, but yea you might have a corrupt installation if firefox is crashing
[04:28] <Cleverness> if you have a windows machine try using rufus to make the image instead
[04:28] <heelrayner> i don't.
[04:28] <heelrayner> :-(
[04:29] <Cleverness> just create one on that current install and when you reinstall ubuntu, erase everything
[04:29] <heelrayner> ive already done that in prep
[04:30] <mr_lou> Hello
[04:30] <Cleverness> but those instructions you have do work at least, so its not a problem with the DE.  just something with your current installation
[04:31] <mr_lou> I'm having a problem with our new server, executing my bash backup script. Worked fine on our old server, but the new one complains that filenames are too long, and then shortens them. The problem is that it determines the "filename" as the full path, instead of each folder being a filename in its own. The old server didn't do this. Any advice?
[04:59] <angelcom> hello, how can i install ssh?
[04:59] <angelcom> on ubuntu?
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> angelcom: server or vlient
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> client
[05:00] <angelcom> server
[05:00] <angelcom> lotuspsychje,
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> angelcom: sudo apt install openssh-server
[05:00] <angelcom> thanks
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> !ssh | angelcom
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> angelcom: also dont forget to secure your ssh, or you will get hammered bruteforced
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> !info fail2ban | angelcom
[05:38] <Kendos-Kenlen> Hello :)
[05:39] <Kendos-Kenlen> After adding a custom repo (Nvidia CUDA repository), what could cause apt to not find dependencies of a package ? The repo is in sources, the update has been done, but apt cannot find the dependency.
[05:40] <Kendos-Kenlen> I am trying to make a custom build of Ubuntu (thanks to Cubic) but got stuck on this.
[05:41] <Kendos-Kenlen> (apt search correct lists the package and its dependencies)
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> Kendos-Kenlen: we dont really reccomend external ppa's, those mostly result in conflicting dependencys
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> Kendos-Kenlen: maybe you want to take a look into the ubuntu graphics ppa
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | Kendos-Kenlen
[06:01] <Kendos-Kenlen> lotuspsychje actually I already isntall the graphic drivers from this PPA. However, CUDA + cuDNN libraries (used for machine learning) are only available on nvidia' own repositories.
[06:02] <Kendos-Kenlen> On the machine itself there are no issue to install them. However, in the chroot offered by cubic, I am unable to install them, and I can't find any way to get the exact reason of the dependency issue.
[06:11] <ducasse> Kendos-Kenlen: unfortunately we don't support external repos, you should seek help from the maintainers of the repo
[06:12] <Kendos-Kenlen> The thing is, i don't think the repo is the real issue (as it work smoothly on an installed ubuntu) but rather something missconfigured. Is there anyway to know more than just "unmet dependency" ?
[06:12] <Kendos-Kenlen> i suspect that one of the dependencies miss something
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> Kendos-Kenlen: how about you pastebin us whats happening?
[06:24] <Kendos-Kenlen> I am trying a re-install and it takes quite a big amount of time. I'll post the pastebin once it's done
[06:43] <Kendos-Kenlen> lotuspsychje here it is http://www.dpaste.com/2X5P9E2
[06:43] <Kendos-Kenlen> as I said, the dependency "cuda-10.1" can be found with apt search
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> Kendos-Kenlen: empty
[06:51] <Kendos-Kenlen> Oh, sorry. Let's try this https://dpaste.de/nG6S
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> Kendos-Kenlen: yeah seems like thats related to the cuda package, contact the maintainer as ducasse suggested
[06:55] <Kendos-Kenlen> Okay, I found it following some recommendations on stackoverflow about this kind of issue. One of the n-dependency is missing (and apt get is too stupid to say which one of course, so I lost many time...).
[06:56] <Kendos-Kenlen> Thank you for your help anyway :)
[07:56] <bbanner> hy guys how are you
[08:08] <Drajwer> I have dual nvidia gpus without SLI - one gpu has 2x monitors connected, 2nd gpu has 1 monitor connected. and I'm trying to get gnome to display on three of them unfortunately it doesn't work. On 2nd gpu monitor I've got just mouse cursor "X" and nothing shows. is it even possible with nvidia drivers?
[08:13] <tanaphor-work> hello
[08:14] <zhaokun>  list *docbook*
[08:14] <tatertots> Drajwer: you just need to make adjustments to your configuration AFTER reading and referencing the documentation
[08:25] <rory> does apt-add-repository no longer come by default on 18.04? I've got a build script which uses it, which works on 16.04 base image, but not 18.04. It fails with: sudo: apt-add-repository: command not found
[08:25] <rory> what package provides that command?
[08:28] <cim209> rory: add-apt-repository
[08:29] <ducasse> rory: it's in software-properties-common
[08:29] <rory> it's definitely apt-add-repository in the script that is working on 1604
[08:29] <rory> ok i'll make sure that is installed
[08:30] <cim209> rory: my install script uses add-apt-repository and it works on both ubuntu 16.04/18.04 and debian 9.7
[08:34] <rory> interesting, both are binaries on my laptop too
[08:37] <ducasse> one is a symlink
[08:43] <Slartibart_tmp> Hi guys. After updating to 19.04 I get error messages when starting f.ex gedit, about symbols missing in libhogweed.4.so. So I set out to try and update libhogweed. Problem for me now is that libhogweed.4.so seems to exist in multiple places, and link to files of differing sizes. Should I replace all the targets of those libhogweed.4.so with the one from the ubuntu package for 19.04?
[09:04] <deanc> Does everything in an nfs share need to be 777? It makes browsing even on the command line ugly with directories in a weird green background color with a blue font on top
[09:09] <guiverc> deanc, my own NFS shares are not all 777; in fact the one share I looked at only has a single 777 directory (out of a couple of screens of entries)
[09:09] <Ool> deanc: of course not, you don't need to 777 everything
[09:10] <Ool> for NFS you need to have the same UID on each computer
[09:10] <deanc> What does that mean?
[09:10] <deanc> I connect to the nfs share on ubuntu from my mac, using the same account as on ubuntu
[09:11] <deanc> actually it doesnt ask for auth, it's ip restricted
[09:11] <guiverc> deanc, `echo $UID` to see your UID for your user (unix/bsd/linux/osx uses UID generally on file-systems, not the username users see)
[09:12] <Ool> id work to
[09:12] <Ool> when you ls -l you can see UID:GROUP too
[09:13] <deanc> ah ok
[09:13] <deanc> I probably need to look into this then, im using curl to download a file and i notice it has 777 by default
[09:23] <Drajwer> nah I gave up after few hours of trying to do exactly that
[09:23] <Drajwer> my conclusion is that nvidia sucks
[09:23] <Drajwer> tatertots ^
[09:23] <Drajwer> I was hoping I can play with cuda, but oh well, nouvau sucks but at least all three monitors are showing *something*
[09:24] <conjo> hi all just logged into my machine fresh install 3rd time ive used it literally just downloaded hexchat and look what popped up....-click bait? virus? links? what you thinks ppl?
[09:24] <conjo> https://imgur.com/a/IOX48Ol
[09:26] <conjo> have any of you had randoms open a chat window on your client posting links cuz ive never had it on irc before
[09:26] <rory> yeah it's just spam, ignore it and don't click links you weren't expecting
[09:27] <cim209> yup
[09:27] <cim209> just ignore it
[09:27] <conjo> cheers bud didnt think id find it here
[09:27] <guiverc> conjo, yeah, if you're registered you seem to get less of it  (but very subjective)
[09:28] <blackflow> conjo: a bit offtopic here, but set the +R flag on your username to prevent unreg'd users from messging you
[09:28] <blackflow> justAddCoffee: ^^^
[09:29] <justAddCoffee> perhaps thats why i wasnt all settup to autologin and identify etc
[09:30] <justAddCoffee> blackflow your gonna laugh but how? how do i set the flag what does the command look like please
[09:30] <rory> /mode justAddCoffee +R
[09:30] <justAddCoffee> thank you
[09:31] <blackflow> and then look up your chat client documentation on how to make that persistent.
[09:31] <justAddCoffee> thanks
[09:38] <justAddCoffee> blackflow, rofl you just blew my mind (usermodes and channelmodes) awesome =)
[09:38] <Slartibart_tmp> If I get "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls.so.30: symbol nettle_rsa_sec_decrypt version HOGWEED_4 not defined in libhogweed.so.4 with link time reference. Failed to load module: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gio/modules/libgiognutls.so" then which file/package should I try to update? libhogweed?
[09:42] <anibic> whenever I connect to #ubuntu i different channel #girlliz is opening...
[09:43] <anibic> I never called to open that channel.
[09:44] <Slartibart_tmp> anibic: It's a private spam message
[09:45] <anibic> how to disable it ???
[09:46] <rory> you can set mode +R on yourself to prvent unregistered users from messaging you. /mode anibic +R will set it temporarily
[09:46] <rory> /join #freenode though, this is the Ubuntu support channel
[09:48] <anibic> I need a permanent solution
[09:48] <ducasse> anibic: ask in #freenode or the support channel for your irc client
[09:49] <rory> you probably wont find a permanent solution, any more than you will find a permanent solution to spam emails
[09:51] <anibic> :)
[09:54] <Slartibart_tmp> I have libhogweed.so.4 in /usr/lib64, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu and /usr/local/lib. First two link to libhogweed.so.4.5 files in their folders, last one to libhogweed.so.4.4. Could that cause version trouble like my message above? How to solve it?
[10:11] <mr_lou> I'm having a problem with our new server, executing my bash backup script. Worked fine on our old server, but the new one complains that filenames are too long, and then shortens them. The problem is that it determines the "filename" as the full path, instead of each folder being a filename in its own. The old server didn't do this. Any advice?
[10:17] <guiverc> mr_lou, encryption can vary filename length on some fs i've read (are you using encryption now, but weren't?), utf-8 compared wit ascii comes to mind, or you've changed file-system thus have different limit (pathname limits vary fs to fs)
[10:18] <ducasse> mr_lou: also, what release are these servers?
[10:23] <mr_lou> Thanks for replying guiverc and ducasse
[10:23] <mr_lou> Well, the old server was running Ubuntu JEOS, latest upgraded to 16.04. The new one is running Ubuntu Server 18.04. Good question about encryption. I'm pretty sure I said no during install though....
[10:23] <frostschutz> mr_lou, do you have an example filename? for example, ntfs can store longer filenames if the filename is in chinese (ntfs counts characters, most linux filesystems count bytes). also which software/filesystems involved?
[10:24] <mr_lou> Here is a snippet from the backup log:
[10:24] <mr_lou> The name is too long, 259 chars total.
[10:24] <mr_lou> Trying to shorten...
[10:24] <mr_lou> New name is 192.168.1.8/Public/deko/!piktogrammer/piktogrammer villumsign gamle og web/slettes piktogrammer/transport og farligt gods piktogrammer/transport og farligt gods tidligere rentegnet u stregkode/jb dobbelt noedudgang/noedudgang-dobbeltsid.
[10:25] <mr_lou> The backup is done using curlftpfs
[10:29] <mr_lou> frostschutz, I think both harddisks are running NTFS.
[10:39] <mr_lou> No, backup is done with wget.
[10:47] <mr_lou> Hm... something tells me it may be a harddisk error. Using a different one today gives no problems.
[10:55] <kareempharmacist> +i
[11:00] <smev81> Hi! I installed ubuntu 19.04 to an usb-stick. But grub is now installed to my harddrive. 1. Why? 2. (more important) How do I remove grub?
[11:01] <kadiro> Hello, I have a kernel panic
[11:01] <smev81> I already tried "syslinux dd if mbr of sda"
[11:04] <kadiro> ubuntu kernel panic not syncing attempted to kill init
[11:04] <kadiro> hell ^
[11:05] <wyre> Is this packaged in the repos? https://getcomposer.org/download/
[11:05] <EriC^^> smev81: which os is on the hdd?
[11:05] <kadiro> wyre, apt-cache search <package_name>
[11:06] <wyre> kadiro: I've found several php-composer*
[11:06] <wyre> maybe this one? pkg-php-tools/bionic,bionic 1.35ubuntu1 all
[11:06] <wyre>   various packaging tools and scripts for PHP packages
[11:06] <smev81> on sda there is windows
[11:07] <kadiro> wyre, dunno, i gave you the key, the php thing is up to you :)
[11:07] <wyre> kadiro: cannot I see detailed info about that package?
[11:08] <smev81> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&keywords=composer&searchon=names
[11:08] <smev81> Does that help with your composer question, kadiro?
[11:09] <wyre> oh, it is the first one ...
[11:09] <kadiro> smev81, that was not me who asked that :) thanks
[11:09] <wyre> smev81: it was my question
[11:10] <smev81> oj sorry ..
[11:10] <wyre> and yes, I've just found it with `apt search`
[11:11] <smev81> I have a bad font config with my irc.. can barely see :-/
[11:12] <smev81> So ubuntu installer installs grub on a standard windows 10 installation. That means grub will be installed somewhere after mbr until 1-2 mb on the harddisk?
[11:14] <jeremy31> smev81: it is only installed to MBR on legacy installs, if you are booted using EFI, grub installs to EFI System Partition
[11:14] <smev81> to the windows efi partition then?
[11:15] <thefatma> Guys how do i install **java8** on ubuntu 18.04 LTS ? the guides in the net seems not updated as the commmand return no package found or whatever
[11:15] <jeremy31> smev81: there can only be one efi partition per disk
[11:16] <smev81> so probably either Partition 2 "System" or Partition 3 "Reserved"
[11:17] <jeremy31> smev81: The EFI Sytem Partition will have esp and boot flag
[11:18] <jeremy31> smev81: the Gparted program or sudo parted -l  will show the flags
[11:19] <smev81> probably. I used diskpart to have a quick look. I will have to reboot to linux to access the esp and see if i can remove grub by hand
[11:20] <smev81> Anyone knows if that bug has been reported?
[11:21] <smev81> Nevermind, I will reboot, try to fix and see if there is a bug report.. Thanks for your support!
[11:23] <meuuks> hi
[11:23] <meuuks> need help with stuff
[11:23] <meuuks> i have this problem on my home pc that i dont have on my work pc both are ipretty much dentical systems running ubuntu 19.041 on my home pc if im playing a song via spotify or rhythmbox and open up discord on my  browser, the sound becomes gargled and distorted this doesnt happen on work pc
[11:25] <kadiro> any guide on how to (at least) see what kernel panic message is?
[11:27] <mouses> kadiro: kernel panic information = check 'dmesg'
[11:28] <kadiro> mouses, i can't access to share that info
[11:29] <kadiro> mouses, i'm from debian for the momment
[11:29] <mouses> kadiro: in your boot menu select safe mode - or boot from a live USB stick and mount the filesystem and check
[11:29] <kadiro> mouses, safe mode gives me the same kernel panic, i have no usb right now
[11:30] <mouses> you'll need to find some sort of boot stick/disc
[11:32] <dreamcat4> so how is the 19.04 these days? working well?
[11:32] <dreamcat4> any issues?
[11:33] <kadiro> mouses, i followed a guide yesterday and buid something to fix the kernel problem, i get a little progress gives me: squashthing or something like that but when i do exit it bring the kernel panic again, i chrooted from debian and i seen something about libudev.so.1 invalid elf header or something like that and i replaced that libudev with the one with debian ( it is old but just to fix it temporarely )
[11:34] <ztychr> dreamcat4: Not very impressed so far. Still performance heavy and limited use of gnome 3.32 features e.g. fractional scaling.
[11:35] <acerimmer> what just happened.  Had xubuntu 16.04.  installed ubuntu 18.4 MANUALLY being quite careful to set a /home partition which I did NOT format.  Why?  To preserve the existing files.  Booted ubuntu and ... empty /home.
[11:36] <acerimmer> Ok, many as xubuntu uses gnome/nautilus and xubuntu uses xfce/thunar, the files are there but invisible.  nope.  no hidden files.  OK, reinstall xubuntu and ... empty home.
[11:36] <dreamcat4> because you didn't format your new home partition, ubuntu could not mount it = fial
[11:36] <dreamcat4> fail, even
[11:36] <acerimmer> and yet df -H reports there is 11.6M of files in /home?
[11:37] <acerimmer> this is a FRESH install, so what files are these?
[11:37] <l7l> hi everyone, i got a strange problem with lightdm and i just can't figure out the reason. maybe someone could give me a hint
[11:37] <acerimmer> note, I retained the old account names and passwords
[11:38] <dreamcat4> did you check the uuid is the same?
[11:38] <dreamcat4> *uid
[11:38] <dreamcat4> and gid
[11:38] <acerimmer> dreamcat, nope.  a little command hint, please?
[11:38] <dreamcat4> id
[11:39] <dreamcat4> man id
[11:39] <acerimmer> thank you
[11:39] <l7l> 0
[11:39] <l7l> I am using Ubuntu 18.04 that is setup for remote logins via XDMCP/LightDM. Authentication is done via LDAP/SSSD. Everything works fine and users can login into KDE Plasma, except that for some users the session is immediately ended. I checked the permissions on .Xauthority files - which are empty by the way, just like .xsession-errors. The users that can not login via LightDM - can log in via terminal just
[11:39] <l7l> fine. None of /var/log/syslog, /var/log/lightdm or /var/log/auth.log gives me any hints
[11:40] <dreamcat4> or grep ^<your user name>: /etc/passwd
[11:41] <acerimmer> dreamcat4, yep, the numbers are correct.  the data seems to be there, but darned if I can find it
[11:41] <acerimmer> nothing strange under mount
[11:41] <kadiro> mouses, can I mount the system from debian and do that?
[11:42] <dreamcat4> acerimmer and there is nothing mounted over the top of the old location? you cannot access /home on root if there is another filesystem mounted over the top of that folder
[11:42] <dreamcat4> mount | grep '/home'
[11:43] <acerimmer> seems legit http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Vy4njxkG9z/
[11:45] <vinod> hi, I tried to manually update  (ubuntu 18.04)
[11:45] <smev81> Hi, just wanted to say, that I was able to remove the ubuntu folder from the esp on sda and that helped. (Ubuntu bug, installer installed grub to first harddisk, when installing to usb). I will search for a bug report..
[11:46] <vinod> but it is saying no pub key
[11:46] <vinod> tried to install it from keyserver.ubuntu.com
[11:47] <vinod> but still it is saying "packet too large"
[11:47] <vinod> invalid packet
[11:47] <vinod> no valid pgp data found
[11:49] <vinod> ~$ sudo apt-get update
[11:49] <vinod> [sudo] password for vinod:
[11:49] <vinod> Ign:1 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease
[11:49] <vinod> Hit:2 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release
[11:49] <vinod> Get:3 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security InRelease [88.7 kB]
[11:49] <vinod> Hit:5 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease
[11:57] <smev81> The bug I mentioned earlier is from 2007!
[11:57] <smev81> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/153615
[11:57] <smev81> Well, kinda.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:10] <kadiro> anyone here have a clue about resolving kernel-panic hell
[12:11] <smev81> Kadiro, do you have error logs?
[12:12] <kadiro> smev81, i digged a little bit in the logs, have nothing yet, only journal logs but they are in bin format or encrypted
[12:13] <smev81> kernel normally puts out dmesg. In the case of a kernel panic you might have to find a way to redirect logging.
[12:14] <smev81> And the binary logs are from systemd, i suppose. did you try to use journalctl? But, am not sure if your boot process does even get to init, so it might not even help to look at systemd logs..
[12:16] <kadiro> smev81, yeah thats the problem, i can't access anything, but i'm on debian right now for the moment
[12:17] <smev81> In these cases some people use methods to redirect logging. I do not know how, though
[12:18] <jeremy31> kadiro, look at /var/log on the Ubuntu partition
[12:19] <kadiro> jeremy31, i did but no errors, somes are empty
[12:20] <smev81> Your options are a serial console with a nullmodem or a kdump, if the kernel panic is to early in boot process
[12:20] <kadiro> jeremy31, last line from syslog gives me this: snapd[630]: autorefresh.go:372: Cannot prepare auto-refresh change: cannot refresh snap-declaration for "core18": Get https://api.snapcraft.io/api/v1/snaps/assertions/snap-declaration/16/CSO04Jhav2yK0uz97cr0ipQRyqg0qQL6?max-format=3: dial tcp: lookup api.snapcraft.io: Temporary failure in name resolution
[12:21] <tarena> 11
[12:21] <tarena> nihao
[12:21] <smev81> When do kernel panics come, early boot or later while using the system?
[12:22] <smev81> hi tarena
[12:23] <kadiro> smev81, I was in xubuntu when i rebooted it hanged on some kind of serching .. i let it and come back in about 30 mn and i see it hanging, i force the reboot and the kernel panic come
[12:24] <ansyeb> hello. fail2ban on ubuntu 18 issue. could someone check this, please: https://pastebin.com/Hj6ppqdm
[12:25] <kadiro> the var/log/faillog is empty, is not that strange?
[12:25] <smev81> My gut feeling says, that something is not ok with the filesystem or even hardware. To get logs, you can only do kernel dumps or use serial logging if you have another computer. Maybe there are newer methods
[12:25] <smev81> i think the kernel panic is too early to log to var/log
[12:26] <neildugan> just created a lxc virtual machine but there is not /etc/netplan directory, how do I configure the ip addresses?
[12:27] <kadiro> smev81, thanks
[12:27] <jeremy31> kadiro: maybe check /var/log/kern.log
[12:29] <dtx> I'm getting spam messages from GirLLiz and /ignore doesnt work
[12:29] <dtx> what do
[12:29] <kadiro> jeremy31, http://sprunge.us/L2R6Ut
[12:30] <Kon-> !ops GirLLiz is spamming all users in PM on their joining this channel
[12:30] <OerHeks> dtx, join #ubuntu-ops please
[12:31] <smev81> In that logs there are a lot of errors that are related to writing and reading to the harddisk
[12:32] <smev81> print_req_error: I/O error, dev sda, sector 112564262
[12:32] <kadiro> dtx, me too, i just ignored him/her
[12:33] <smev81> like this one. It might help to use fsck on the partition
[12:33] <dtx> yeah but /ignore GirLLz doesnt work for me. says unknown command
[12:34] <jeremy31> dtx /mode dtx +R
[12:35] <kadiro> smev81, good remarq, yes i was trying one of my old hdd to see if i can recover but it have many problem, i removed it and power on the machine and i booted to my xubuntu normaly two or 3 times until as i said the searching things comming and hang so i was forced to force reboot it
[12:36] <kadiro> smev81, the fsck said everythings is good, i even forced the check/repair
[12:36] <ioria> kadiro, can you boot another kernel from grub ?
[12:36] <kadiro> only the odd thing is the label was changing
[12:37] <kadiro> ioria, I tryed that on the 4 other kernel but always the kernel panic come
[12:37] <ioria> kadiro, can you boot in Recovery mode ?
[12:37] <kadiro> ioria, no i can't
[12:37] <smev81> and what is your grub.cfg?
[12:38] <ioria> kadiro, then you need a livecd to access the system
[12:38] <kadiro> smev81, it changed when chrooted now it have only xubuntu, grub probe didn't find the other os
[12:38] <kadiro> smev81, so i used debian grub
[12:39] <kadiro> ioria, i will try if i have the iso, not sure if it still their
[12:40] <smev81> I still would like to see the latest grub.cfg from ubuntu to compare it to the grub.cfg from deiban
[12:40] <kadiro> smev81, http://sprunge.us/k8SR3k
[12:40] <smev81> It is not likely, but maybe there are some kernel parameters..
[12:43] <kadiro> damn i think i lost the iso
[12:45] <smev81> this was the grub.cfg from ubuntus /boot? Is the uuid 4a47062a-4aef-4429-a9c3-f9d37b0d2e81 still fitting? Is the grub.cfg from debian also using the same parameters "root=UUID=4a47062a-4aef-4429-a9c3-f9d37b0d2e81 ro"
[12:46] <kadiro> smev81, yes, from debian grub.cfg: linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.18.0-18-generic root=UUID=4a47062a-4aef-4429-a9c3-f9d37b0d2e81 ro
[12:46] <neildugan> just created a lxc virtual machine but there is not /etc/netplan directory, and netplan is not installed, how do I configure the ip addresses?
[12:47] <smev81> grub.cfg seems ok, then. Does lsblk show that uuid from debian?
[12:47] <smev81> not lsblk, but blkid i think
[12:49] <kadiro> smev81, this is blkid ( the lsblk didnt show uuid ) http://sprunge.us/YNIUFJ
[12:51] <smev81> LABEL="DEBIAN" UUID="4a47062a-4aef-4429-a9c3-f9d37b0d2e81" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="4c24c74f-06" This is your ubuntu installation?
[12:52] <kadiro> smev81, yes, it was without the debian label, it look like the label jumped from debian to my xubuntu partition
[12:54] <smev81> ok. I am not sure I do understand that? What about fstab?
[12:55] <kadiro> smev81, http://sprunge.us/jCaURc
[12:56] <smev81> ok so swap uses the same uuid, not labels or /dev/sdXn
[12:56] <smev81> hmmm
[12:57] <kadiro> smev81, yeah i always use the same swap if i had two os in the same disk
[12:58] <smev81> Same swap? Hibernate and Suspend sometimes use swap to recover from there.. But I do not know how that could be a problem..
[12:59] <kadiro> smev81, yep i know that but this is a desktop pc, i don't use the hibernate
[13:01] <smev81> If fsck thinks your partition is ok, then the kernel should be a part of the problem. But you said you tried several kernels, so that irritates me. If I had to guess I would think it might be either RAM or a missing file. Then again, your kernel logs clearly finds hardware related io errors.
[13:02] <smev81> Also if it was RAM, other systems should have similar problems..
[13:03] <kadiro> smev81, but debian boot without problem if it was the hardware failure i think that will affect debian and windows too?
[13:03] <smev81> yeah
[13:03] <smev81> can you chroot into ubuntu from debian?
[13:03] <kadiro> smev81, yes
[13:05] <smev81> What I would do is reinstall. But if you want to keep your installation, i would try to reinstall packages that are relevant for the boot process or reconfigure them at least
[13:05] <kadiro> smev81, i chrooted
[13:05] <smev81> Also, your problem is quite generic. You might want to ask in #linux #kernel or something similar
[13:06] <smev81> to reconfigure you use dpkg reconfigure. But you have to look that up, I do nut use debian/ubuntu often..
[13:06] <anibic> Can anyone suggest a website to learn basic linux commands ?
[13:06] <kadiro> journalctl: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/systemd/libsystemd-shared-237.so: invalid ELF header
[13:07] <kadiro> smev81, ok thank you very much
[13:08] <smev81> I am mostly guessing here with dangerous half-knowledge..
[13:10] <kadiro> smev81, no worry, that was nice from you
[13:10] <smev81> you're welcome.
[13:15] <kadiro> i'm trying to apt update when chrooting but it fail
[13:15] <kadiro> ping to google give me this: Temporary failure in name resolution
[13:15] <kadiro> I think my xubuntu is gone O.o
[13:16] <kadiro> cool i found the iso
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> !manual | anibic
[13:20] <moss>  /iset
[13:31] <smev81> if you chroot you have to copy the /etc/resolve something information to the chrooted environment.
[13:31] <smev81> Gentoo has good documentation
[13:31] <smev81> (Gentoo handbook)
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> smev81: If you find the documentation for Ubuntu missing elements, please consider contributing enhancements to the documentation. It would help everyone and help us direct questions to ubuntu specific resouces.
[13:34] <smev81> I did not know there is a document where that information is missing.
[13:35] <smev81> And it seems it is already there : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> smev81: Then please do not recommend documentation for other distributions here. Ubuntu and Gentoo have different approaches and some of the recommendations are not cross distribution compatible.
[13:40] <smev81> Yeah, you are right. I just knew that if dns fails, resolv.conf is very probably missing in the chroot
[13:42] <raub> Why you need the restricted openjdk ppa to get versions 8 and above?
[13:43] <Guest79403> hi, i'm connecting with orangepi3 using armbian (bionic)
[13:43] <Guest79403> it'a mazinig this little board
[13:43] <Guest79403> amazing :D
[13:44] <groke> sweet
[13:44] <groke> how much does that cost
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | groke Guest79403
[13:48] <Guest79403> around 40€
[13:48] <Guest79403> wait
[13:50] <Guest79403> orange pi3 - 2gb ram ddr3, usb3 mini-pcie... 36€ .... around 40$ usd
[13:53] <Guest79403> I thing that i will  use an old monitor an make my own iMac with ubuntu obviously :)
[13:53] <[itchyjunk]> Hi, someone said `ifconfig` is not longer the recommended default tool. What would be the default tool to use now?
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> Guest79403: this is the ubuntu support channel, please only ubuntu questions here
[13:55] <Guest79403> no idea... i'm still using ifconfig, but "mc", "dselect", and so on...
[13:55] <Guest79403> perhaps network manager?
[13:55] <[itchyjunk]> Is there any that comes pre-installed with the 18.04?
[13:56] <Guest79403> nmcli?
[13:56] <OerHeks> itch no, get used to netplan or networkmanager
[13:56] <Guest79403> network managet and ifconfig como as default
[13:56] <kadiro> I'm in live xubuntu
[13:57] <[itchyjunk]> okay, it has netplan but "networks" seems to need installing as well.
[13:58] <Guest79403> ifcondif and nm come as default in in the system base (ubuntu server). The interfaces, like xfm4, or gnome or kde are secondary
[13:59] <Guest79403> try "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.100"
[14:04] <kadiro> I chrooted into my xubuntu, what the next step to fix the kernel panic
[14:05] <mouses> kadiro: use journlctl to view system logs and look for clues
[14:06] <kadiro> mouses, journalctl: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/systemd/libsystemd-shared-237.so: invalid ELF header
[14:06] <phobosoph> hi
[14:06] <mouses> kadiro: no idea there, hopefully someone else can help ya
[14:06] <phobosoph> I got a Ubuntu 16 system and full SSH access
[14:06] <kadiro> mouses, this is the dmesg: http://sprunge.us/5iXWKl
[14:06] <phobosoph> how can I create a mirror image of the whole system so I can try an upgrade on a VM
[14:07] <kadiro> ok thanks mouses
[14:07] <phobosoph> I don't want to do this on a live system
[14:07] <smev81> I suppose that the error occurs, when the kernel hands control over to systemd. And I even suspect that systemd should be reinstalled
[14:08] <kadiro> ok i will reinstall it
[14:10] <kadiro> smev81, cool that fixed it
[14:10] <smev81> But only the error on journalctl not your whole kernel panic problem, kadiro?
[14:11] <kadiro> smev81, yes in journalctl
[14:12] <kadiro> I'm waiting the link from sprunge
[14:16] <kadiro> This is the journalctl from last 2 days http://sprunge.us/9QlsY7
[14:17] <leftyfb> kadiro: pastebinit is a great tool that's build into later versions of ubuntu
[14:17] <smev81> These logs are before the error came up?
[14:17] <kadiro> leftyfb, ah yes i forget about it, thank you
[14:18] <kadiro> smev81, yes that was the last use of xubuntu before the kernel panic
[14:18] <smev81> Apr 28 17:42:37 kadiro-MS-7529 unknown[1258]: xfce4-notifyd: Fatal IO error 11 (Ressource temporairement non disponible) on X  <-- a bit suspicious, but not sure
[14:19] <Filip> I'm using GNONE desktop environment, and despite me checking the option "Allow executing file as program" on a shell script, double clicking it will not execute it
[14:19] <Filip> invoking with ./ works
[14:20] <smev81> did you reboot after reinstalling systemd?
[14:21] <kadiro> smev81, not yet, i'm reinstalling libudev because i replaced it with debian when i chrooted yesterday
[14:21] <smev81> Wait, what?
[14:23] <smev81> I really would like to know what you mean with that, kadiro.
[14:23] <kadiro> smev81, i replaced libudev.so with the one from debian when i was chrooting yesterday because all command didn't work and point to it
[14:23] <kadiro> as example, apt and grub ..etc
[14:24] <smev81> And after that the kernel panic?
[14:24] <kadiro> now i still have udevadm errors when i'm trying update-grub
[14:25] <thefatma> Hey Guys, im just installed ubuntudesktop 18.04 LTS and played a little bit with the DNS or whatever and now when i reboot i get an error (Failed to connect to https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts. Check your Internet connection or proxy settings
[14:25] <thefatma> )
[14:25] <kadiro> smev81, no that was when the panic come
[14:25] <thefatma> Anyone knows whats going on?
[14:25] <smev81> after the panic?
[14:25] <kadiro> yes smev81
[14:25] <smev81> ok
[14:26] <smev81> did you try to reinstall udev before replacing int with debian .so
[14:26] <tomreyn> thefatma: this sounds like you should undo "played a little bit with the DNS or whatever"
[14:26] <kadiro> smev81, i can't find it, only libdev was their
[14:28] <kadiro> i can't find this udevadm
[14:28] <smev81> but udev is a base package that is preinstalled
[14:29] <tomreyn> kadiro: don't make smev81 spend more time on this dead fish, just reinstall.
[14:29] <kadiro> smev81, ah found it thank you
[14:29] <kadiro> tomreyn, show me how without loosing my configs
[14:30] <smev81> I received a lot of help from linux/ubuntu community. I am fine with spending some time
[14:30] <tomreyn> kadiro: easy, you install, restore your backups, done.
[14:30] <kadiro> smev81, thanks
[14:30] <smev81> Also I am very curious, to find out how to debug kernel panics
[14:30] <kadiro> tomreyn, how to save all the configs, and some i don't know where or remember
[14:31] <tomreyn> well good luck you two!
[14:32] <kadiro> tomreyn, thanks
[14:32] <smev81> But you are quite right. At some point it is easier to reinstall. I have not given up hope, yet
[14:33] <kadiro> cool seems reinstalling libudev/udev/systemd/libsystemd make the update-grub working fine
[14:33] <kadiro> can i rebbot now to test?
[14:34] <smev81> I do not think it can get worse, so, yeah why not reboot to try
[14:35] <kadiro> ok brb
[14:35] <smev81> good luck
[14:38] <thefatma> tomreyn : hey, but theres connection to the internet and everthing so i don't see why it's unable to connect to the changelogs on ubuntu site O-o?
[14:38] <kadiro> yahooooh the kernel panic is gone
[14:39] <kadiro> smev81, thank you very much
[14:39] <smev81> you're very welcome. I learned a lot as well.
[14:40] <kadiro> smev81, i have know abug about light-locker but may be it is not a thing as i'm login just fine
[14:40] <tomreyn> thefatma: what did you change?
[14:41] <thefatma> I think i undid the netplan and configured etc/network/interfaces instead .  tomreyn :
[14:41] <smev81> this time, the journalctl should give good informations
[14:41] <tomreyn> thefatma: https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts is a location update-manager (or do-release-upgrade if run manually) would access.
[14:42] <thefatma> apt-get dist-upgrade -y would access 2?
[14:42] <tomreyn> thefatma: netplan is not active on desktops by default. you said you installed ubuntu desktop?
[14:42] <thefatma> my bad * it's ubuntu server
[14:43] <tomreyn> thefatma: i don't think apt-get dist-upgrade would access https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts (I can be wrong)
[14:46] <tomreyn> thefatma: configurations in /etc/network/interfaces are now legacy (but still work if you manually installed ifupdown
[14:46] <thefatma> yes i installed ifupdown
[14:47] <pizzaman> Hi
[15:01] <thefatma> I'm having such a hard time installing java8 O_O!! can someone please help me throught teamviewer or whatever..
[15:02] <thefatma> Installing throught apt-get or repositories doesn't seem to work, i want to try JDK but not succeding much..
[15:03] <thefatma> If i wanted to completly copy my java8 from another machine which files would i need to copy/ which commands is needed in order to config it ?
[15:05] <lordcirth__> thefatma, why do you need an outdated java?
[15:06] <thefatma> cuz my company needs
[15:06] <thefatma> i think in order to install gerrit
[15:06] <lordcirth__> thefatma, ok. What Ubuntu version>?
[15:06] <thefatma> 18.04 server LTS
[15:07] <lordcirth__> 18.04 has openjdk-8-jdk
[15:07] <lordcirth__> Does that not work for you?
[15:09] <kadiro> from snap search java i found this: java-jre-ondra  8.0.X   ondra  - java 8 runtime snap  .. if that help
[15:09] <thefatma> whats the syntax?
[15:09] <thefatma> lordcirth_ i think they removed it few days ag
[15:09] <thefatma> ago*
[15:10] <kadiro> ah yes there is that package: apt-cache search ^openjdk
[15:12] <thefatma> kadiro : https://www.screencast.com/t/wHgPttdJkM
[15:13] <ioria> thefatma, enable 'universe' repo
[15:13] <kadiro> thefatma, thats odd
[15:15] <thefatma> ioria : thanks alot guys!
[15:15] <thefatma> kadiro : i think they removed they're official support for java 8
[15:15] <ioria> thefatma, and probably you need -jre before -jdk
[15:16] <ioria> thefatma, officially supported unil december 2020
[15:19] <seanrdev> My TTY in ubuntu server will not scroll down. The only way I can see new text is to switch to a new TTY and then back to the old. Any advice??
[15:24] <ioria> seanrdev, shift + pg up/down  works ?
[15:26] <seanrdev> ioria: No not at all
[15:27] <lordcirth__> seanrdev, press Scroll Lock?
[15:28] <thefatma> Hey guys i created a VM with 500GB on it and chose LVM options when installing, how come when i df -h i can't see it all :# , asking cuz when i try to install thing it says im out of space but i barley started doing anything on the machine
[15:31] <tomreyn> thefatma: the server-live-installer keeps most disk space within lvm, unallocated to file systems by default.
[15:32] <seanrdev> lordcirth__: Tried without any success.
[15:32] <tomreyn> the idea is that you can add new file systems or grow existing ones this way. use the pvs, vgs, lvs, lsblk commands to get an idea of the situation.
[15:32] <tomreyn> maybe fdisk -l too
[15:34] <nixfreak> Hello, does any of the distros for 16.4 include multilib or lib32 bit libraries ?
[15:35] <thefatma> tomreyn - in simple words it's just saving memory and if you want to use it you have to "register" it manually , it wont appear if you won't config it to be be "useable" right ?
[15:35] <dnscat> hello. I'm trying to wrap my head around HWE. What exactly is it?
[15:37] <lordcirth__> dnscat, HWE is newer kernels backported to LTS releases, so you can run it on newer hardware.
[15:37] <tomreyn> thefatma: right
[15:37] <tomreyn> !hwe | dnscat
[15:38] <dnscat> tomreyn: is that any different than before HWE was enabled?
[15:39] <dnscat> I guess I just want to know if it'll make any difference to a casual ubuntu user
[15:40] <tomreyn> thefatma: pvs (which i assume stands for something like "physical volume show/status") shows how one of your HDD's partitions are dedicated to LVM. vgs shows volume groups, rather irrelevant for you since you will only have one, and lvs shows the logical volumes you have, those work similar to partitions. and on top of those you have your file systems.
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> dnscat: HWE is helpful in specific situations. HWE is usually recommended to those that are having system stability issues (i.e. frequent crashing from hardware faults). There is no performance gain from running with HWE
[15:42] <lordcirth__> In my case I also run HWE to get some bugfixes for the Ceph kernel drivers
[15:42] <tomreyn> dnscat: enabling HWE means you install additional packages: a newer kernel image and (optionally) a newer X server (for a desktop) - which would also pull in newer graphics drivers.
[15:44] <tomreyn> dnscat: ubuntu 18.04.*2* LTS (and later point releases than '.2') will come with HWE installed by default on desktops, on servers you choose the kernel to install.
[15:44] <thefatma> tomreyn : ok i see have free 500gb on both pvs and vgs how do i dedicate some of the memory, to whatever space ( probabyl need to dedicate it to where the installations and packages install themselves if that makes sence)
[15:46] <tomreyn> dnscat: you can always chose to uninstall all the *-hwe-18.04 packages later, and install just the GA (general availability, the default / original 18.04.0 release) kernel (and X, drivers) series.
[15:48] <uzee> asking again, in case someone here today can help...
[15:48] <uzee> hi, anyone here who could help regarding dhcpv6 for ubuntu 16 or 18. For static assignments, I understand I need a DUID, but cannot find any info on where to get the DUID from? Windows apparently provides it in the ipconfig command
[15:48] <tomreyn> dnscat: on a desktop, if you run LTS (and only there HWE is available) you probably want HWE. On a server, you may prefer GA, unless the hardware won't work (or not satisfactory) with this older kernel version. Both series are fully supported and get timely security and bug fixes.
[15:49] <tomreyn> thefatma: are you using this server installation as a server or desktop? which services are you running there?
[15:50] <dnscat> tomreyn: so if i was trying to make a gaming rig, i'd probably prefer HWE (it sounds like)
[15:51] <tomreyn> thefatma: a common mistake newer admins / users make is to dedicate all of their available storage to / when it would be better to have separate file systems, such as for databases, and mount them in the 'right spot' (e.g. /var/lib/{mysql,postgresql})
[15:52] <tomreyn> dnscat: yes, most likely, maybe even hwe-18.04-edge then
[15:53] <toothless> ff
[15:55] <lunaa> hey
[15:56] <tomreyn> dnscat: the '*-hwe-*-edge' packages are meant to get you the latest available ubuntu releases' kernels' (and potentially X, drivers) on an LTS release. currently, on 18.04.2, they point to the same packages as the their non 'edge' variant, but this will likely change soon, making them point to 5.0.x
[15:56] <nixfreak> Hello, does any of the distros for 16.4 include multilib or lib32 bit libraries ?
[15:57] <Guest61> !aptlock
[15:57] <nixfreak> !help
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> nixfreak: share your full story please, so volunteers can think along with you
[15:57] <lordcirth__> nixfreak, dpkg --add-architecture i386
[15:58] <lordcirth__> nixfreak, though, are you sure you need multilib?
[15:58] <nixfreak> I need lib32 because the elf file is compiled with lib32
[15:58] <nixfreak> plus version glibc 2.16/21.7
[15:59] <dnscat> tomreyn: thank you for spending the time to explain this, i appreciate it
[15:59] <nixfreak> so in theory I should be able to run a 32bit elf compiled with glibc 2.17 or higher
[15:59] <lordcirth__> nixfreak, what ELF file are you running?
[16:00] <tomreyn> dnscat: you're welcome. had you read the page ubottu pointed you to, too? it *should* have provided the same information, but it'd be good to know if it doesn't.
[16:00] <nixfreak> its a tool (custom)
[16:00] <tomreyn> dnscat: i.e. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[16:00] <nixfreak> when you do a readelf -l you can see lib32 and glibc 2.16
[16:01] <nixfreak> I'm just wondering if i spin up a 16.4 x86_64 instance if I need to install lib32 ?
[16:02] <lordcirth__> nixfreak, can you not recompile it for 64?
[16:02] <nixfreak> or is there is a difference between server and desktop regarding 32bit libs
[16:02] <nixfreak> no I don't have the build
[16:02] <nixfreak> its just a single binary
[16:02] <tomreyn> there is no difference between server and desktop regarding 32bit libs
[16:03] <nixfreak> ok do you need to install 32bit libs or does the distro have them already ?
[16:04] <Exterminador> so, I'm struggling a bit to make systemd work on a per user basis via the "systemctl --user service".. whenever I try to do, i.e, "systemctl --user status" I get a "Failed to connect to bus: Permission denied".. any idea? worth to say that I've done "loginctl enable-linger $USER" to the user where I'm trying the commands
[16:04] <tomreyn> both amd64 and i386 support 32-bit libs out of the box. on amd64, you will need to install the i386 library packages you need manually
[16:04] <tomreyn> nixfreak: ^
[16:05] <nixfreak> ok great thanks for the info
[16:06] <tomreyn> nixfreak: dpkg --print-architecture && dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[16:07] <tomreyn> nixfreak: should show amd64 on the first, i386 on the second command by default (if on amd64)
[16:07] <Exterminador> this is on Ubuntu server 18.04.2 LTS.. also, said user doesn't have a .config folder nor a .local/share/systemd/ one
[16:07] <tomreyn> nixfreak: you then install a given 32-bit library using            sudo apt install packagename:i386
[16:08] <tomreyn> nixfreak: for this to work, "apt policy" should return several "i386 Packages" lines already. if not, you'll need to configure / enable those apt sources.
[16:12] <tomreyn> Exterminador: i have no first hand experience with this, but the bus it fails to connect to will be dbus (not sure why, missing (auth) socket?). under systemd, those files are usually located in /run/user/UID/
[16:19] <Anthaas> If I create a user with disabled password, is it possible at all to become that user with su?
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas: best way to find out is try it
[16:20] <Myth> How do I open lightdm greeter GUI in terminal? What is the command? Ubuntu 18
[16:21] <Myth> I opened it before, but forgot the command
[16:21] <Anthaas> Well, I'm trying it, and not succeeding, so my question really relates more to is it possible? i.e. am I doing something wrong, or trying to do something that isn't possible.
[16:22] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | Myth
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas: What command did you use to setup the user?
[16:23] <Myth> I figured it out just now. Thanks
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas: I see the issue... Use sudo ... not su...
[16:24] <Anthaas> pragmaticenigma: `sudo adduser --disabled-password --system --home /var/lib/myapp --gecos "MyApp" --ingroup myapp myapp`
[16:32] <maxzor> Hello, I recently did an apt release upgrade (ubu 18.04->19.04). Now more often than not, when my laptop goes into sleep mode and I turn it on, the screen is freezed before login, and I have to REISUB. Any clue where I can look for troubleshooting?
[16:32] <nacc> maxzor: do you mean you did a do-release-upgrade ?
[16:33] <maxzor> nacc yes, twice to skip 18.10
[16:34] <tomreyn> maxzor: so manually editing sources.list and running "apt dist-upgrade" is NOT what you did, right?
[16:35] <maxzor> tomreyn, yes I did not do that, and apt was out of question actually. I edited a conf file, don't remember which, to "normal" from "LTS"
[16:35] <tomreyn> maxzor: sounds fine
[16:35] <tomreyn> maxzor: which graphics hardware?
[16:35] <tomreyn> which drivers?
[16:37] <tomreyn> are there error messages in your systemd journal around the time you return from sleep?
[16:37] <tomreyn> btw. S-U-B is sufficient, R-E-I are disabled on ubuntu for security reasons
[16:38] <nacc> maxzor: understood, you just said apt release upgrade initially :)
[16:38] <maxzor> tomreyn, I have a core i7 8550U, driver i915
[16:39] <cognition>  /msg NickServ identify shankar108##
[16:39] <maxzor> tomreyn, Ill look systemd journal. My problem is I cannot check the journal when the error occurs, I have to reboot first :)
[16:39] <shadoxx> cognition: oof
[16:39] <maxzor> nacc, y mb
[16:40] <shadoxx> double oof
[16:40] <Exterminador> so, which file should I look under /run/user to see why that user fails to auth with dbus?
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> cognition: change your password
[16:40] <shadoxx> ^^^
[16:41] <cognition> k
[16:41] <lordcirth__> cognition, and in future, only auth on the server tab to prevent this
[16:41] <maxzor> I suspect this, keeps popping in the log "acpi INT3400:00: Unsupported event [0x86]"
[16:42] <Exterminador> under the /run/user/ directory, I have 2 folders: 0 (root?) and 1015 (matches with UID of user bridge)
[16:45] <tomreyn> maxzor: so it's acpi issues, probably buggy firmware. try a mainboard firmware upgrade?
[16:45] <tomreyn> maxzor: journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:'     will tell which one you have now
[16:46] <maxzor> tomreyn, DMI: Dell Inc. Inspiron 5379/09NT72, BIOS 1.9.0 06/12/2018
[16:46] <maxzor> but had no issue prior release upgrade
[16:47] <Exterminador> so, I have something now: after using "export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/`id -u`" I can now execute commands like "systemctl --user status".. any hints how to solve this globally?
[16:49] <tomreyn> maxzor: no *noticable* issues beforehand. you probably have acpi exceptions now and also had them before, just graphics initialization works differently with 19.04 than 18.04, so this may be why.
[16:49] <maxzor> tomreyn, anyway, the full log for today, had the problem at least twice
[16:49] <maxzor> https://framabin.org/p/?80257050e4c9a106#UgUIwX7x1btQSi6mOahj3sSsKmwI5PPBHd4GoxE4sYA=
[16:49] <maxzor> also i dual boot with grub on win10
[16:50] <maxzor> right ok
[16:50] <tomreyn> maxzor: dell supports LVFS https://fwupd.org/lvfs/ for some, but not all, devices.
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> !who | Exterminador
[16:51] <jack-> morning
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> welcome to ubuntu support jack-
[16:51] <jack-> adept+kynaptic are past...which apt-gui does ubuntu use nowadays?
[16:52] <tomreyn> maxzor: this should be the latest: https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=dwkr1&oscode=ub16g&productcode=inspiron-13-5379-2-in-1-laptop&lwp=rt
[16:52] <Anthaas> pragmaticenigma: `sudo -u myapp -s /bin/bash` - the login shell is set to /usr/sbin/nologin when --disabled-password is used.
[16:52] <maxzor> tomreyn, nice thanks, how likely is it to break grub?
[16:56] <tomreyn> maxzor: unlikely. i don't actually see any acpi exceptions on your logs, but the errir you quoted would be a good enough reason for me to do the firmware upgrade, as well as "importance: urgent" and the long list of CVEs
[16:58] <Exterminador> tomreyn: after using "export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/`id -u`" I can now execute commands like "systemctl --user status", "systemctl --user show-environment", etc.. any hints how to solve this globally?
[16:59] <Exterminador> I don't want to add that line to all .bashrc of each user, so when I enable lingering for a user they're ready to go
[17:00] <tomreyn> Exterminador: i have this variable set correctly for my primary (and sudo) restricted user (UID 1000)
[17:01] <tomreyn> Exterminador: i am not sure what sets it, but i'd recommend you look into this, if that's not working fior the user you're trying to make it work for.
[17:01] <Exterminador> tomreyn: the problem is that after enable lingering for a user they get that bus error message.
[17:02] <tomreyn> Exterminador: so you're saying that enabling lingering deletes this environment variable?
[17:02] <kadiro> I think XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is set by pam systemd
[17:02] <tomreyn> well possible
[17:03] <Exterminador> where's that pam file that I should look at?
[17:04] <jack-> rephrase: what app does ubuntu currently use as apt-frontend?
[17:04] <Exterminador> basically what happens to me is: lingering enabled = bus error message. lingering disabled = bus error message
[17:05] <lordcirth__> jack-, there are multiple. 'apt' is the newest on the command line.
[17:05] <jack-> i see
[17:05] <jack-> i mean, as a gui
[17:05] <lordcirth__> apt-get and aptitude are still around, and Ubuntu Software and Synaptic for GUI
[17:05] <jack-> like "adept" some years ago
[17:06] <jack-> i bet there is something cooler now
[17:06] <lordcirth__> jack-, oh, adept was a KDE thing. I think the new KDE one is Muon?
[17:06] <jack-> oh, yeah
[17:06] <tomreyn> Exterminador: read pam_systemd(8)
[17:07] <jack-> and for gnome etc?
[17:08] <lordcirth__> jack-, that would be Ubuntu Software (installed by default) and Synaptic(installable) as I mentioned
[17:08] <maxzor> tomreyn, flashed and slept-woke up twice on ubu : seems good. Big thank you!
[17:08] <jack-> ok, thx
[17:08] <lordcirth__> jack-, that being said, I never use the GUI pkg tools
[17:08] <tomreyn> maxzor: very well, let's hope it lasts. :)
[17:09] <jack-> lordcirth__: i see
[17:09] <jack-> i tend to like them
[17:11] <Exterminador> okay. so I was just being stupid.. seems that "systemctl --user SOMETHING" doesn't work if I use "su $USER".. :/
[17:11] <acebrianjuan> Hi all
[17:11] <acebrianjuan> I would like to do a telnet connection between two terminal windows in my computer
[17:11] <Exterminador> tomreyn: user systemd units should be put inside .config/systemd/user/, right?
[17:11] <acebrianjuan> just for testing
[17:12] <acebrianjuan> I know how to send connection requests on the client side
[17:12] <tomreyn> Exterminador: that's what i seem to remember form reading the manual, yes
[17:12] <acebrianjuan> but I don't know how to start a telnet server
[17:13] <ryuo> acebrianjuan: telnet isn't recommended anymore. ssh is the replacement.
[17:14] <tomreyn> acebrianjuan: telnet is from the 70ies, dont use it unless you strictly have to. what's the purpose of this?
[17:14] <acebrianjuan> ryuo: ok I know, but I need to use telnet
[17:14] <acebrianjuan> tomreyn: purpose is work
[17:15] <icaro>  /j #laravel
[17:15] <Exterminador> tomreyn: seems to be so.. I just found about the thing of using "su $USER" (I was SSH'ing as root and using "su $USER" afterwards) after reading the manual, as it states: $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is not set if the current user is not the original user of the session.
[17:15] <ioria> acebrianjuan, client is usually already installed, but the server side needs  to be installed (telnetd or something)
[17:16] <tomreyn> acebrianjuan: you can use netcat (nc), -l to listen, -p to specify the listening or (on the client) target port.
[17:16] <acebrianjuan> ioria: ok, so the regular telnet command won't be enough to start a server then?
[17:16] <ioria> nope
[17:16] <acebrianjuan> tomreyn: ok, I'll try that
[17:17] <tomreyn> acebrianjuan: use ssh instead if you can.
[17:18] <acebrianjuan> tomreyn: ok, netcat did the job, thank you
[17:19] <acebrianjuan> tomreyn: we are not using telnet to send any sort of sensitive data, so I think that's why we are using telnet in the first place
[17:20] <acebrianjuan> the purpose you were asking is that we have a primitive communication mechanism for sending text-based commands to a program
[17:20] <acebrianjuan> and we are using telnet for this
[17:20] <Exterminador> tomreyn: thanks for the help (and sorry for not reading manpages 1st)!
[17:23] <cognition> On our 14.04 systems we are getting 404's on "deb http://packages.vmware.com/packages/ubuntu trusty main"
[17:25] <nacc> cognition: sounds like a question for vmware
[17:26] <nacc> cognition: that is, nothing to do with ubuntu official support
[17:28] <jeremy31> cognition I think support for 14.04 ended yesterday
[17:29] <tomreyn> acebrianjuan: if the data you transfer is not relevant, then you don't need to transfer it. if it's relevant enough to be transferred, then it's probably also relevant whether or not it can be manipulated, intercepted.
[17:30] <acebrianjuan> tomreyn: yes, that's true
[17:30] <tomreyn> Exterminador: you're welcome. i'm still learning much of this myself, kadiro's hint on pam_systemd was very helpful.
[17:31] <tomreyn> cognition: i think support for 14.04 ended 4 days ago.
[17:31] <kadiro> tomreyn, I'm glade to share my little knowledge even if i'm just a noob :)
[17:31] <cognition> tomreyn: TY
[17:33] <snake-venom> hello, is there any way to record skype call in ubuntu 18?
[17:34] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | snake-venom
[17:35] <jack-> impossible to install muon here...sick dependencies
[17:35] <jack-> software-properties-kde : Hängt ab von: python3-software-properties (= 0.96.24.32.7) aber 1.8.4 soll installiert werden
[17:35] <jack-> shrug!
[17:35] <nacc> jack-: `apt-cache policy python3-software-properties` ?
[17:36] <jack->  Installiert:           1.8.4
[17:36] <jack->   Installationskandidat: 1.8.4
[17:36] <nacc> jack-: the whole thing.
[17:36] <nacc> jack-: in a pastebin, please
[17:36] <snake-venom> tomreyn, its Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[17:36] <snake-venom>  :)
[17:36] <jack-> no other version available :/
[17:36] <analogical> when I try to start a program I get "/usr/bin/env python no such file or directory" how do I install the missing software?
[17:36] <jack-> ok, one sec
[17:37] <nacc> analogical: what version of ubuntu?
[17:37] <lordcirth__> jack-, prepend "LANG=C" to get English, please
[17:38] <analogical> nacc, 19.04
[17:38] <ioria> jack-, mint ?
[17:38] <snake-venom> is there any way to record skype call in Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS?
[17:38] <skuuter> call the nsa and ask to get a copy
[17:38] <nokiomanz> Hi, I have my desktop connected to a 4K TV via HDMI as my main monitor. I set the desktop to 1080p. But upon Closing/opening the television  on the next day or a few hours later it is as if the display is "redetected" and resolution is set to 4k. What can I do to make it stick to 1080p? If I close the television and open it a few minutes later it is still at 1080p.
[17:39] <jack-> lordcirth__: https://pastebin.com/w9Md7fzE
[17:39] <lordcirth__> snake-venom, you could record the screen or window with recordmydesktop or OBS
[17:39] <jack-> ioria: yep, tessa
[17:39] <lordcirth__> snake-venom, that being said, consider *not* using Skype
[17:39] <ioria> i see
[17:39] <nacc> jack-: mint is not ubuntu, and not supported here
[17:40] <jack-> i know...but still :)
[17:40] <jeremy31> jack-: use the mint welcome screen/support and click the chat link
[17:40] <lordcirth__> !mint | jack-
[17:40] <jack-> ubuntu apps are usable, and i want muon
[17:41] <nacc> jack-: thats nice, still offtopic and not supported here.
[17:45] <tomreyn> analogical: so /usr/bin/env does not exist?
[17:47] <analogical> tomreyn, right
[17:47] <tomreyn> analogical: how did you install?
[17:47] <analogical> I'm using a fresh install of Ubuntu 19.04
[17:47] <lordcirth__> analogical, did you actually check with 'ls /usr/bin/env'?
[17:48] <tomreyn> analogical: a fresh install of Ubuntu 19.04 would provide it. it belongs to a required package.
[17:48] <analogical> that folder doesn't exist
[17:48] <analogical> I only have /usr/bin/
[17:49] <lordcirth__> analogical, it's not a directory, it's an executable
[17:49] <tomreyn> a file
[17:49] <lordcirth__> analogical, please run 'stat /usr/bin/env | nc termbin.com 9999'
[17:49] <lordcirth__> and paste the link
[17:49] <analogical> oh it's a file
[17:49] <analogical> in that case it's there
[17:50] <lordcirth__> right. So more likely, env is saying that 'python' doesn't exist.
[17:50] <lordcirth__> If you run 'python' does it work?
[17:51] <analogical> it says "command python not found
[17:53] <tomreyn> analogical: sudo apt install python-minimal
[17:53] <nacc> was python3 perhaps there?
[17:55] <tomreyn> those are available by default in $PATH on 19.04:  python3     python3.7   python3.7m  python3m
[17:56] <nacc> ack
[17:58] <tomreyn> and python.minimal depends on python2{,.7}-minimal
[17:58] <nacc> right, that's been the case for a bit
[17:58] <nacc> there's presumably a python3-minimal
[17:59] <tomreyn> yes, Priority: important and installed by default.
[18:00] <tomreyn> analogical: are you actually looking for help with this, or just making nacc and me have a conversation? ;-)
[18:07] <plongshot> This output from $glxinfo | grep "OpenGL" | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jxwhNC7Gqp/  <--  seems to show I have OpenGL version 3.0 ?  Is that correct?
[18:07] <plongshot> I need OpenGL version 3.2 or later (a dependency). What options are avialable for me and how do I do that?
[18:09] <tomreyn> plongshot: acquire, install and configure (if needed) a dedicated graphics card.
[18:10] <ryuo> plongshot: you need a hardware upgrade, assuming your at the maximum supported by what you currently have.
[18:11] <ryuo> plongshot: sometimes the driver isn't making full use of the available hardware.
[18:14] <plongshot> I see there is this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1119222/how-to-install-opengl-3-2-on-ubuntu-18-10-specs-arepentium-4-proccessor?r=SearchResults&s=1|104.5220  article but the link is broken or incorrect. It takes you to a different post that has nothing to do with it
[18:15] <tomreyn> plongshot: which ubuntu version do you run there?
[18:18] <plongshot> There's this:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1077930/opengl-3-2-on-18-04-virtualbox-guest-is-it-possible  which might have helped but no one gave a complete answer (no one is telling how to).
[18:21] <kadiro> aplay say there is no soundcard, trying to reinstaling pulseaudio didnt fix the no sound , some errors appeared but google doesn't show something like my situation case
[18:22] <analogical> this is insane but it actually worked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvmROT8LEsM
[18:22] <analogical> Acer hates linux that's for sure
[18:33] <thefatma> What would a good distribution be of 500GB when installing ubuntu server ( so that when installing packages it won't tell me im out of disk space like what caused me to reinstall lol)
[18:34] <thefatma> lets say, 200GB for / and 200GB /var/lib ?
[18:35] <nacc> thefatma: is this a VM host?
[18:35] <thefatma> nacc : yes it's a VM that will have gerrit (code review thing) on. and maybe git and some DB like mysqld
[18:37] <Ben64> thefatma: 500GB for /, and manage your usage
[18:38] <thefatma> Ben64: Can you please explain manage your usage?
[18:38] <Ben64> be aware of how much space is being used, and don't let it fill completely
[18:38] <leftyfb> thefatma: 1 partition. Don't run out of space. No amount of partitioning is going to be a good substitute to properly watching the space you are filling up
[18:40] <kadiro> hmm interesting, aplay with sudo can play sound just fine but still no sound
[18:40] <thefatma> Ben64 leftyfb : roger that , much of a help thanks!
[18:43] <nacc> thefatma: a VM is not a VM host
[18:43] <nacc> thefatma: sorry, by VM host I meant a machine that will host VMs
[18:43] <nacc> thefatma: not sure why you'd have such a large /var/lib otherwise
[18:44] <thefatma> leftyfb : Ben64 : it's suppose to look like this ? https://www.screencast.com/t/IHyZmIzJt2Am   ,   or this ? https://www.screencast.com/t/vziuiVEIGs
[18:44] <thefatma> nacc : ohh my mistakei should have got what you meant, actually you probably right i just dont understand so well what is a "standard settings" for these kind of things yet
[18:45] <thefatma> nacc : it's going to be under an ESXI with alot of vm's in it with different services/uses/programs on them and also private employees VM's , which all of that in the end points on the datastores
[18:45] <thefatma> on to the datastores*
[18:47] <thefatma> nacc : when i first created i tried to install the packages required for the company and i ran into not enough disk space But nothing was barely installed i just started, and when i did df -h i saw only 4GB or something like that was available , i assumed if i chose LVM thing when installing it will distribute everything correcly ?
[18:48] <vlad__> hi all
[18:48] <vlad__> today is 2019 year
[18:49] <vlad__> how to get ip address of interface without hard sex with sed, grep, awk, etc?
[18:50] <lordcirth__> vlad__, hostname -I might be useful
[18:51] <lordcirth__> Or do you need it from a specific interface?
[18:51] <thefatma> ip a ?
[18:52] <lordcirth__> thefatma, he wants to return only the address for piping, I think, not a human-readable text
[19:00] <kadiro> I need help, i have no sound
[19:02] <nacc> thefatma: if it's really a server, you probably don't want to use the default LVM setup, as it will make a home partition, iirc
[19:06] <thefatma> nacc : should i just put all the 500 on root and start dividing it from within the terminal incase of need?
[19:06] <tomreyn> lordcirth__ / vlad__: there is   ip -o a   (but yes, YMMV)
[19:07] <Ben64> thefatma: dividing the space doesn't give you more space
[19:07] <nacc> thefatma: what do you mean by dividing it anyways?
[19:07] <thefatma> Ben64: its not about more space, its just that i couldnt before that, i set up LVM and when just starting and installing packages 2-3 and it told me i have not enough disk space, and i didn't evne use it at all
[19:08] <thefatma> nacc : because before i reinstalled (now) i used the LVM option thing and when i df -h i saw only 4GB and couldnt install packages while the VM in reality had 500gb on it
[19:08] <nacc> thefatma: we don't know what you actually did before, and what the LVM partitioning ended up looking like.
[19:08] <nacc> thefatma: if you don't need LVM, don't use LVM?
[19:09] <thefatma> so im telling you it had like 0 GB on root lol and like 4GB on dev/something
[19:09] <nacc> thefatma: that does not sound right. But if you've already reinstalled, let's move on.
[19:09] <lordcirth__> thefatma, you could have just expanded the / LV. But yes, all on / is simpler.
[19:10] <thefatma> lordcirth_ : yea just for the sake of less headaches...
[19:10] <thefatma> nacc : i didn't install yet i can do it like i did before for test sake to show you what it did
[19:10] <nacc> thefatma: wholly up to you
[19:11] <Ben64> just put everything on / and be done
[19:12] <pronet> join ###SCMR
[19:13] <thefatma> nacc : Ben64 : im intrested in why that happend im doing with the LVM to picture df -h to you guys and afterwards ill reinstall and do on everthing on /, or you guys will teach me away without reinstalling
[19:13] <thefatma> that's not gonna fuck up the filesystems and links betwen files or whatnot
[19:15] <thefatma> nacc : Ben64 :   df -h results with LVM   :    https://www.screencast.com/t/aQOzdaR3WVGY
[19:17] <lordcirth__> thefatma, ok, so it's giving a 4GB LV for /, which is pretty small, but you could just expand it
[19:17] <tomreyn> thefatma: this LVM allocation is a default with the server-live-installer. other installers set things up differently.
[19:18] <thefatma> tomreyn : just for my clarification server-live-installer is basiclly ubuntu server ? or theres server-live-installer which is different distrib?
[19:19] <thefatma> lordcirth_ : expanding / will solve the not enough disk space when installing packages that i encounted before?
[19:19] <thefatma> also how can we do it ?
[19:20] <tomreyn> thefatma: server-live-installer (subiquity) is the default ubuntu 18.04 LTS (and later) installer.
[19:20] <tomreyn> thefatma: server-live-installer (subiquity) is the default ubuntu 18.04 LTS (and later) *server* installer.
[19:20] <tomreyn> ^ fixed
[19:20] <thefatma> tomreyn : understood got you
[19:24] <lordcirth__> thefatma, you expand the LV with lvresize, then the filesystem with resize2fs
[19:27] <tomreyn> or just lvresize --resizefs
[19:30] <lordcirth__> oh yeah, that's a thing too. forgot.
[19:37] <vyzen> can someone explain what "grep sshd passwd" does
[19:38] <groke> vyzen sounds like its meant to extract your ssh password
[19:38] <nacc> vyzen: looks for a string 'sshd' in a file called 'passwd'
[19:38] <weedmic> it would be encrypted - i dont 'think it would work
[19:39] <weedmic> you can just open /etc/passwd and look - but you won't be able to tell the actual passwords for sshd or any other user
[19:39] <lordcirth__> vyzen, /etc/passwd, contrary to it's name (legacy reasons) holds account info, but *not* passwords
[19:39] <nacc> passwd != /etc/passwd fwiw.
[19:39] <nacc> it's best to just answer questions as written in the channel :)
[19:40] <weedmic> yes, better worded ty lordcirth__
[19:40] <vyzen> nacc explained it perfectly
[19:40] <vyzen> thanks
[19:40] <thefatma> tomreyn : https://www.screencast.com/t/JAKogaU5xTrU
[19:40] <tiox> Dumb question, but here goes; how do I regain control of shell for instances wwhere I forgot to append an ampersand at the end of my command?
[19:40] <lordcirth__> vyzen, since it uses a relative path, what it would do depends on where you are and what files are there.
[19:40] <nacc> vyzen: technically it's looking for a regular expression 'sshd' , but that's equivalent to a fixed string
[19:40] <nacc> tiox: ctrl + z will bacgkround the task
[19:41] <tiox> Thanks.
[19:41] <nacc> tiox: you can then `disown` it if you want it to run detached
[19:41] <nacc> tiox: note that it won't necessarily have detached stdout/stderr
[19:41] <ioria> tiox, or just ctrl+c
[19:41] <Bored_Techie> hello im having some issues installing ubuntu, keep coming up with " end kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount  root fs on unknown-block(1,0) "
[19:41] <Ben64> this kills the process
[19:41] <nacc> tiox: right, it depends on what you meant by 'regain control'
[19:42] <lordcirth__> Bored_Techie, does the installer finish without errors? What Ubuntu version? BIOS or UEFI bot?
[19:42] <lordcirth__> boot*
[19:42] <Bored_Techie> i cant even get into the live cd or the installer, i just get this message when i load the disc
[19:43] <Bored_Techie> Lubuntu 16.04 and its a ppc mac
[19:43] <lordcirth__> Bored_Techie, oh, I see. Did you checksum the ISO after downloading it?
[19:43] <Bored_Techie> no i didnt
[19:43] <Bored_Techie> i tried it on a usb stick first then a dvd
[19:44] <Bored_Techie> but didnt work
[19:44] <Bored_Techie> il try the checksum now
[19:45] <Bored_Techie> how do i do the checksum?
[19:47] <wonderworld> Bored_Techie: do you have the correct checksum for the iso?
[19:47] <Bored_Techie> how would i know that i do? is there a way to check
[19:49] <TJ-> With 18.04, LibreOffice Impress > Export as PDF > Digital Signature > Select fails to populate the selected GNUpg key (from the default NSS Thunderbird key-store)  into the Dialog. Signing the Impress document itself works. Anyone else experienced this, or know of a solution?
[19:49] <wonderworld> boredguy: whats the exact filename of your iso file?
[19:49] <tomreyn> thefatma: this is not to insult you: do you know what man pages are? lvresize(8) would have told you about -L
[19:51] <thefatma> tomreyn : Yup, got it thanks :)
[19:51] <tomreyn> thefatma: --help (as mentioned in the error message), too, though
[19:52] <david89> Hello. Is it possible to create a dir and set some attribute on it so that only directories can be created inside of it?
[19:54] <kreyren> Is elogind provided by systemd?
[19:55] <weedmic> david89: you can create a tree, and assign rights by owner, group, other - but if someone has rights outside of that tree, they can create things there
[19:55] <lordcirth__> david89, only subdirectories, no files? I don't think so. What do you want to accomplish?
[19:55] <weedmic> check man:chmod chown chgrp
[19:56] <dax> kreyren: it's a third-party program whose authors took the systemd-logind source code and got it to run without systemd as init
[19:56] <weedmic> if you add the sticky bit, you can see who put a file in there - that is the 2 (or 1 or nothing) at the end like chmod 7772
[19:56] <dax> kreyren: for Ubuntu, systemd-logind should be used instead, since Ubuntu only supports systemd as init
[19:56] <kreyren> dax, ty
[19:57] <anon_> hello
[19:57] <anon_> what happens if i run chmod 777 /
[19:58] <TJ-> david89: You may be able to use "RichACLs" on ext4 FS (as extended attributes) to do that, but not with POSIx ACLs or standard FS mode bits
[19:58] <nacc> anon_: as a regular user? you'll get permission denied
[20:02] <N3X15> OK, is there any way to "pin" linux raid /dev mountpoints?  My RAID1 array keeps changing names.  Last reboot, it was named /dev/md127, now it's /dev/md/0, and I have it configured in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf as /dev/md0.
[20:03] <wonderworld> anon_: it would give write permissions for group and others to your / directory.
[20:04] <TJ-> N3X15: what meta-data version is it using?
[20:04] <N3X15> TJ-, 1.2
[20:05] <wonderworld> N3X15: how did you configure your mapping in mdadm.conf?
[20:05] <TJ-> N3X15: generally for 1.0+ the metadata should set it, if the MetaData 'homehost' matches system localhost
[20:06] <TJ-> N3X15: did you check if /dev/md/0 is a link to /dev/md0? It can depend on udev rules as to what symlinks or device nodes are preferred, too
[20:07] <N3X15> wonderworld, I can't connect to it to copypaste, but: ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 metadata=1.2 name=ws-tux-001:0 UUID=[UUID here] devices=/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1
[20:07] <N3X15> dev-md0 task times out during boot, which means I don't get SSH for reasons.
[20:08] <TJ-> N3X15: consider that sda and sdb may not be constant across reboots - UUIDs would be preferable
[20:08] <N3X15> k. What's the syntax for that?
[20:09] <TJ-> N3X15: E.g. I have systems with 10+ drives and the logical SCSI name can change due to discovery timing. /dev/disk/by-uuid/ or some other unique /dev/disk/by-*/??? is better
[20:10] <tomreyn> you should also be able to just specify UUID= instead of /dev/...
[20:10] <TJ-> N3X15: Generally though, if the metadata on-disk is correct, a specific entry in mdadm.conf ought not to be necessary (assuming there are no filters to exclude the underlying devices)
[20:11] <wonderworld> N3X15: get the UUID for your array with: mdadm --detail /dev/md0. after that use UUID=theuuid in mdadm.conf instead of devices
[20:13] <tomreyn> those differ from partition / file system UUIDs as reported by e.g. blid
[20:13] <tomreyn> * blkid
[20:14] <N3X15> I understand, will take some time since it's a headless system with no copy-paste functionality available.
[20:14] <N3X15> Thanks for your help
[20:14] <TJ-> !info pastebinit | N3X15
[20:14] <wonderworld> N3X15: be careful. have backups when working with raid arrays
[20:15] <plongshot> In older releases of ubuntu desktop there was a rectangle shaped magnifying glass that could be enabled throught compiz-config.  Is there a magnifying glass like this available in ubuntu 18.04?  I have looked in accessibility tools but the magnifyer there is not the same.  The one we used to get  with compiz had shortcut keys to show / hide it as well as a number of other features.
[20:15] <N3X15> TJ-, No network.
[20:15] <TJ-> N3X15: ahhh, sneaker-net :)
[20:15] <N3X15> Yup.  At least there's a KVM switch.
[20:16] <N3X15> Which desperately needs replacement.
[20:16] <tomreyn> N3X15: sounds like you need a serial console switch.
[20:16] <N3X15> And money :P
[20:19] <TJ-> N3X15: Unless there are array problems MD arrays should be assembled/activated by udev rules. The only time I've seen what you describe is when there's another device in the system with metadata for the same array UUID, so if you've swapped underlying devices/partitions at some point it's worth doing a scan to ensure old metadata was removed
[20:19] <TJ-> N3X15: or, you've got more than 1 array with metadata set to use '0'
[20:20] <N3X15> TJ-, brand new 4TB platters, only one array.
[20:20] <N3X15> So /shrug
[20:20] <wonderworld> N3X15: you don't need copy/paste. mdadm --detail /dev/md0 | grep UUID >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf would add the UUID to the bottom of your mdadm.conf, ready for you to be edited.
[20:20] <TJ-> N3X15: Seeing md127 usually indicates a dynamically allocated number when the assigned number is unavailable for some reason
[20:21] <TJ-> N3X15: there might be some clue in the udevd journal log
[20:22] <N3X15> wonderworld, that's the UUID for the array, though
[20:23] <wonderworld> N3X15: yes. that is the expected value for the UUID paramter in mdadm.conf
[20:24] <N3X15> wonderworld, I omitted the UUID, it was present.
[20:24] <N3X15> I just didn't feel like mnaually typing it out
[20:25] <wonderworld> understandable :)
[20:27] <TJ-> N3X15: with the existing mdadm.conf entry, is there a DEVICE line that excludes /dev/sd?1 - the default without a DEVICE is "partitions containers"
[20:28] <jayjo> where can I check my cron logs in ubuntu 1804 lts? I added a crontab programmitcally via (crontab -l 2>/dev/null; echo "*/5 * * * * /path/to/job -with args") | crontab -
[20:28] <jayjo> I'm trying to verify it's working
[20:28] <N3X15> TJ-, no DEVICE line, I just piped output of mdadm to the file.
[20:29] <analogical> is there built in support for disk cloning in Ubuntu?
[20:29] <TJ-> N3X15: OK - just trying to think of reasons it might fail at boot-time. If it assembles manually that does point to udev-triggered actions
[20:29] <guardian> hello, I'm running 18.04 LTS, can someone please remind me where I have to go to configure drive icons on desktop?
[20:30] <wonderworld> N3X15: easier: mdadm --detail --scan will create the correct config line for you
[20:30] <N3X15> wonderworld, yeah, I tried that, but it still changes name on bootup to something unexpected and fouls up disk mounting
[20:31] <TJ-> analogical: 'dd' is the usual too, but there are other options
[20:31] <TJ-> N3X15: definitely look at the udevd journal log for clues, possibly increase verbosity
[20:31] <lordcirth__> analogical, there are many, what exactly do you want to do? Backup? Copy system config?
[20:32] <OerHeks> guardian, install gnome-tweak-tool, there you can set/unset icons
[20:32] <guardian> hmm
[20:33] <guardian> then maybe I didn't ask the right question
[20:33] <analogical> lordcirth__, clone the disk Ubuntu is installed on
[20:33] <guardian> I installed Ubuntu like 6 months ago, and I forgot where I clicked to configure mount points etc, which ultimately added icons to my desktop
[20:33] <lordcirth__> analogical, yes, but for what purpose?
[20:33] <analogical> lordcirth__, backup
[20:34] <guardian> and I didn't install anything special
[20:34] <lordcirth__> analogical, ok. So probably the best way is to boot a livecd, run zerofree, then dd | gzip > file.img
[20:34] <OerHeks> normally one uses grub to add partitions on (manual) mountpoints
[20:34] <jayjo> hmmm... don't have a /var/log/syslog on 18.04.2 LTS (GNU/Linux 4.15.0-1035-aws x86_64)
[20:36] <lordcirth__> analogical, however, I would normally recommend backing up /etc and /home and leaving the binaries; they can just be reinstalled.
[20:36] <lordcirth__> For example using borgbackup
[20:36] <lordcirth__> In fact, why not both?
[20:37] <N3X15> TJ-, update: I commented out the array in mdadm.conf and it works...?!
[20:37] <guardian> also, I'm used to using etckeeper. And I realize Ubuntu modifies lots of things in there on a regular basis. Is there a way to cool it down?
[20:37] <guardian> like I rebooted and now /etc/console-setup/cached_setup_keyboard.sh script is modified
[20:38] <guardian> but I didn't do anything intentionally that would cause this change
[20:38] <lordcirth__> guardian, you could change the default apt settings to 'confold'? Though I don't recommend it
[20:39] <lordcirth__> If something gets modified, there's probably a good reason.
[20:40] <guardian> lordcirth__: or probably lack of care? :)
[20:40] <guardian> lordcirth__: or I'm not used to /etc not being totally mine
[20:41] <guardian> lordcirth__: it feels like lots of things should be stored elswhere <- they represent state but are not configuration files per se
[20:41] <lordcirth__> guardian, that's possible. Normally one would keep such things in /var; however, some people mount /var, so prior to that mount or if it breaks, you'd rather like to have a working keyboard.
 and I didn't install anything special .. so that is not true, i guess
[20:42] <guardian> OerHeks: I certainly didn't do anything conciously (not even accepting a package upgrade) tht would end up with /etc/console-setup/cached_setup_keyboard.sh to be modified
[20:42] <nixfreak> Thats really interesting I the cpu is a xeon but i still needed to install the amd64 32bit libs package libc6-i386
[20:43] <nixfreak> I thought 32bit libs was standard if you were using an Intel CPU ?
[20:43] <nixfreak> Thats what I was told at least
[20:44] <lordcirth__> nixfreak, amd64 is the same as x86_64. AMD invented the spec, both companies implement it
[20:45] <nixfreak> yes I know intel uses the amd64 instructions
[20:45] <nixfreak> sorry extensions
[20:45] <nixfreak> so I was told wrong , no big deal go with my gut next time
[20:54] <guardian> why are there docker and docker.io packages? is this for upgrade paths?
[20:57] <TJ-> guardian: fomr console-setup, it looks like its /lib/systemd/system/console-setup.service -> /lib/console-setup/console-setup.sh -> setupcon --save that writes there. Also looks like you could control it via some judicious editing - looks like it's there to cope with systems with a separate /usr/ FS
[20:58] <guardian> TJ-: thanks for the info
[20:58] <TJ-> guardian: kind-of strange if it writes to /etc/ seeing as it is already writing to /run/
[21:01] <TJ-> guardian: On my system I see 6 files written to /etc/console-setup/ on last boot
[21:07] <TJ-> guardian: seems like something the Debian maintainers introduced judging by discussions of various console-setup issues in the Debian bug-tracker
[21:14] <Scottbert> Why are graphics drivers such a pain
[21:15] <Scottbert> So. I was having that issue where the boot screen doesn't show and I have no console. We fixed it by installing the latest nvidia drivers -- 430 instead of the 390 ubuntu shipped with. OR SO I THOUGHT. Actually, ubuntu ignored what I clicked in drivers, and set it to noveau
[21:15] <Scottbert> Now I've installed the nvidia-430-drivers metapackage... and the boot screen and terminal are gone again
[21:16] <OerHeks> Scottbert, what videocard exactly, what ubuntu version and how did you install that 430?
[21:16] <Scottbert> (Also I'm not sure how to check that it is, indeed, 430 that's running -- lshw -c video | grep driver just tells me nvidia
[21:16] <Scottbert> GeForce 750 Ti, Kubuntu 18.10, originally installed through system settings which apparently does nothing, this time installed through muon.
[21:17] <hans_> when running `strace nslookup atvforumet.no 8.8.8.8` , why the frick is nslookup trying to access "/etc/ld.so.nohwcap" (a file that does not exist btw) 29 times?
[21:22] <Scottbert> OerHeks all I want is to have the latest nvidia driver and also my console, how do I get Kubunbtu 18.10 to such a state?
[21:26] <OerHeks> Scottbert, that 750 Ti would work with 340 and up, what does kubuntu give as recommended?
[21:27] <OerHeks> sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall # would be my choice
[21:28] <OerHeks> oh, disable that driver ppa ofcourse, 430 comes not from standard sources
[21:28] <Scottbert> 390 is Ubuntu's out-of-date reccomended one -- this channel reccomended I install an nvidia PPA which got me 430
[21:29] <OerHeks> no, they are not out-of-date.
[21:30] <Scottbert> Hmm. Well it seems that the driver IS installed now, so I should be able to get 390 or 430 or whatever by going through muon instead of system settings
[21:30] <Scottbert> But that brings me back to the old problem that I THOUGHT I fixed last time but actually wasn't:
[21:31] <Scottbert> with nvidia drivers installed, I have no console. At boot, the last thing I see is GRUB's 'booting in blind mode' message, and then wait for awhile, then then the login screen comes up
[21:31] <OerHeks> use ppa-purge to reverse that ppa and packages
[21:31] <Scottbert> If I ctrl+alt+F2 I'm left looking at the blind mode message as well, no console
[21:31] <Scottbert> This happened with nvidia-390 too
[21:31] <Scottbert> As far as I can tell it happens with any nvidia driver on ubuntu
[21:33] <Scottbert> Err, to clarify: Even with the noveau drivers GRUB still gives the 'blind mode' message, but then the normal boot screen comes up, and I have a ctrl+alt+F# console
[21:34] <Scottbert> So, I can roll back to 390, or not, but the problem persists, and I'm not happy with the noveau drivers because they don't support minecraft and who knows what else
[21:34] <Scottbert> but obviously it is critical that I have a console to try and recover my system from if anything ever goes really wrongt
[21:35] <Scottbert> OerHeks: So, forget 'how do I make sure I have nvidia drivers installed', I fixed that. But I need to fix the console issue which also happens on nvidia-390
[21:41] <Scottbert> Changed /etc/default/grub to specify graphics mode and ran update-grub, rebooting to see if problem is fixed.
[21:45] <chakravanti> In the Files my left space of navigation has disappeared how do i make it reappear?
[21:46] <Scottbert> No dice -- the graphics mode line in /etc/default/grub doesn't appear to do anything, and yes I uncommented it/
[21:47] <RodageMRQ> Hi.  Playing with patitions again and again, with average success, i fear i did overload the GRUB limit of 64K as far i believe i got a clue about all that.  Following different guides and forums, i got no way to get it as clean i would wish, and need.  I think i shall totaly erase grub then make a new one installing a dummy ubuntu.  Any clue please?
[21:48] <RodageMRQ> Shortly : i found no way to totaly get rid of grub.
[21:48] <chakravanti> nvm found it
[21:48] <TJ-> RodageMRQ: what part of GRUB are you trying to remove?
[21:50] <RodageMRQ> TJ-: What do you mean?   All.  Forget all then rebuild from a fresh install, since my partitions supposed to be bootable.  I have no windows or something like that
[21:51] <RodageMRQ> I mean everything i tried seems to keep an history.  For nothing i believe.
[21:51] <TJ-> RodageMRQ: Do you mean remove the GRUB programs and configuration, or MBR code, or core image in slack sectors or EFI-SP  ?
[21:52] <Scottbert> Recommented gfxmode line, uncommented console mode line, running update-grub and rebooting
[21:52] <RodageMRQ> TJ-: Core.  update-grub etc. just add new lines to that, since i need to get rid.  I think.
[21:53] <RodageMRQ> Scottbert: Update grub keep all the history of my partitions playing with.
[21:54] <TJ-> RodageMRQ: Sorry but I'm not clear on what you're actually trying to achieve. Removing the GRUB packages is "apt remove grub*" - removing the configuration files too is "apt purge grub*", removing the EFI loader is "rm -r /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub*.efi /boot/grub"
[21:55] <Scottbert> No dice, neither of these lines does anything.
[21:55] <JonelethIrenicus> i noticed an issue with openvpn
[21:55] <RodageMRQ> TJ-: Scottbert: I tried purge.  It do not purge grub2...
[21:55] <RodageMRQ> lemme read you better.
[21:56] <TJ-> RodageMRQ: Why are you wanting to remove the boot-loader? without it, the system will not boot
[21:56] <plongshot> I was asking about a magnifying glass for ubuntu 18.04 before and got disconnected. If anyone responded and I didn't see it - sorry. I have tried the default magnifyer found in accessibility settings but it will not suffice. I have seen this: http://magnifier.sourceforge.net/#introduction ( Virtual Magnifying Glass ) - but I can't find instructions to insall on my system and that raises a flag about the quality of the application for
[21:56] <plongshot> me. Is there anything ( prefferably official / supported ) other than the default magnifyer that give me the features of a couple keybindings?  One for showing / hiding the magnifyer would be sufficient. If there were additional keybindings it would just be icing on top. Thanks
[21:56] <RodageMRQ> TJ-:  Because too many entries.  My grub points on bad partitions.
[21:57] <TJ-> RodageMRQ: That sounds like you've left 'bad' partitions in place, so every time update-grub is run it (re)discovers and adds them to /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:57] <RodageMRQ> What i want to clear is the EFI?  Right?  Not familiar with terms...
[21:58] <Scottbert> RodageMRQ: I'm having a seperate, grub-related issue, I have no idea how to fix your problem.
[21:58] <Bashing-om> Scottbert: A conflict of installed drivers ? what shows ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' ?
[21:59] <RodageMRQ> TJ-: No.  Earlier, yes.  But now, every grub line need 10000 sublines.
[21:59] <TJ-> RodageMRQ: If update-grub/os-prober is discovering other (broken) installs then the problem is not GRUB, it is that you've left those traces of old/broken installs behind
[21:59] <TJ-> RodageMRQ: can you pastebin the /boot/grub/grub.cfg file so we can understand what you mean?
[22:00] <Scottbert> All the 430 drivers, common-390, and dkms-390. But this problem occured with just 390 installed as well.
[22:01] <TJ-> Scottbert: I've not been following along, what is the symptom you're trying to cure?
[22:02] <RodageMRQ> TJ-: Sure i did!  Try to see.  sdaX moved manytimes.  I kept traces.  Now my partitions are clean, it cannot address new partitions since the history too big to hold all my past mistakes.
[22:02] <RodageMRQ> TJ-: Pastebin - ok.  On it.
[22:02] <Scottbert> On a fresh kubuntu install (or when noveau drivers are selected), when booting you get some grub errors about 'hwmatch' and booting in blind mode. However, the kubuntu name comes up (is this 'plymouth'? Not sure) and if you press a key you'll see the console boot sequence. However...
[22:03] <TJ-> RodageMRQ: "pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[22:03] <TJ-> Scottbert: is this UEFI or Legacy/BIOS boot?
[22:03] <Scottbert> When nvidia drivers (any version) are installed, the kubuntu logo never appears, and you have no console, although eventually the graphical login screen will appear. However, you'll have no console -- ctrl+alt+f2 and such just display the grub errors -- so if something big goes wrong you have no way to fix it
[22:04] <Scottbert> It's a UEFI bios but it's booting in legacy mode I think?
[22:04] <RodageMRQ> TJ-: AH!   You got something i think.  How to know about UEFI or Legacy?
[22:04] <TJ-> Scottbert: check: does /sys/firmware/efi/efivars exist?
[22:04] <Mrbadness> ok
[22:04] <RodageMRQ> I thought UEFI for usb keys
[22:04] <Scottbert> Err, wait. My boot HDD is 4TB at the moment, does that mean it can't be booting legacy?
[22:05] <TJ-> Scottbert: no
[22:05] <Scottbert> It does exist
[22:05] <Scottbert> (No it can't be booting legacy, or no it doesn't mean that?)
[22:06] <RodageMRQ> No EFI in firmware
[22:06] <Scottbert> Clarification: The grub errors still appear with nvidia drivers, the change is that on nvidia drivers the boot screen and terminal never load
[22:07] <RodageMRQ> i get acpi dmi memmap
[22:07] <TJ-> Scottbert: right, so this is UEFI boot mode. Here's some background. The EFI is supposed to provide a block of data and a driver called the EFI-GOP which is the interface between boot-loader, OS, and GPU. In some systems this is missing or broken, meaning the boot-loader and OS graphic modes fail and only when the OS driver loads do things appear
[22:08] <TJ-> Scottbert: this can depend on whether the GPU is integrated on the Mobo (in which case system firmware should have a GOP) or for discrete GPUs they should include a GOP in their firmware
[22:08] <RodageMRQ> I do have Nvdia graphic card.  And also got proprietary drivers...
[22:08] <TJ-> Scottbert: here's a good overview of GOP: https://uefi.org/sites/default/files/resources/UPFS11_P4_UEFI_GOP_AMD.pdf
[22:09] <Scottbert> So, I don't have the data. How do I get it to show me a console anyway? I mean... it can clearly do text, or it couldn't show me the error message...
[22:09] <Aeden> #ubuntu-fr
[22:09] <RodageMRQ> TJ-: What is a GOP?
[22:09] <TJ-> RodageMRQ: read the link :)
[22:10] <RodageMRQ> TJ-: looks clear.  On it.
[22:10] <TJ-> Scottbert: text modes generally will work - its GFX modes that have problems because the UEFI GOP doens't put the GPU into the correct mode
[22:10] <RodageMRQ> Btw im a program analyst.  Not a tech...  Making my best.  Thanks.  Im reading...
[22:11] <Scottbert> Yes, but how do I tell linux to boot in text mode?
[22:11] <Scottbert> there's that GRUB_CONSOLE line in /etc/default/grub but it doesn't do anything
[22:12] <TJ-> Scottbert: sometimes it can be worked around with some ACPI kernel config options. If you can "pastebinit <( dmesg )" I can check if there are GOP/ACPI issues
[22:12] <TJ-> Scottbert: right, because it doesn't control anything, it just tells GRUB to use the GOP but if that is broken on the system there's nothing GRUB (or the OS before it loads its own drivers) can do
[22:13] <RodageMRQ> VGA is grabbing a part of the grub memory?  Still reading.  Seems clear.  Not to me.
[22:13] <Scottbert> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WxktPSr8F6/
[22:14] <Scottbert> So why is it that with noveau the boot screen appears but with nvidia drivers it doesn't? Clearly the nvidia drivers WORK or it could never display the login screen, or plasma...
[22:15] <TJ-> RodageMRQ: GOP is how UEFI enables painting the display before the OS drivers load
[22:15] <RodageMRQ> Scottbert: is the solution in CMOS?
[22:15] <TJ-> Scottbert: usually the issue is with mode-setting
[22:16] <Scottbert> I mean it seems kind of unaccpetable that ubuntu can't fall back to text mode, but... how do I fix it?
[22:16] <Scottbert> If something else ever breaks and I lose the GUI I'll be hosed!
[22:16] <Scottbert> I won't have a console to work with!
[22:16] <TJ-> Scottbert: first thing I notice is that system is apparently very old. firmware has a published date of 2012 so 1st thing I'd check is if there is updated firmware for it
[22:16] <Scottbert> Need windows to install
[22:16] <Scottbert> Could not install windows on this computer
[22:17] <TJ-> Scottbert: DMI:  /DZ77BH-55K, BIOS BHZ7710H.86A.0097.2012.1228.1346 12/28/2012
[22:17] <Scottbert> Intel doesn't provide firmware updaters for linux it seems :(
[22:18] <TJ-> Scottbert: but is there updated firmware available? If there is, there is usually a Release Notes or ChangeLog that may give clues if GOP has had fixes
[22:18] <RodageMRQ> Problem is BEFORE i start OS, right?  What dows winchose had to do in that?
[22:19] <Scottbert> Hmm... maybe there is something for linux, rereading https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/22814/BIOS-Update-BHZ7710H-86A-?product=63245
[22:19] <OerHeks> https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/63245/Intel-Desktop-Board-DZ77BH-55K latest from 2013
[22:19] <RodageMRQ> I mean i can get rid of nvdia driver.  Default BBeaver works well.  I fear im lost again.
[22:20] <Scottbert> The string GOP is not in the release notes in any case.
[22:20] <Scottbert> So, grub will never work right. Fine. How do I tell Linux to display text early like it does with the noveau driver?
[22:21] <RodageMRQ> Ooooh!  BIOS update!  that works only in windows.  Looks like taht?
[22:21] <OerHeks> it might work from a fat32 usb stick, via the bios itself
[22:21] <jeremy31> Scottbert: edit /etc/default/grub remove quiet splash and then do sudo update-grub
[22:22] <Scottbert> Will do
[22:23] <RodageMRQ> looking at  /etc/default/grub
[22:23] <Scottbert> use nano to edit it
[22:23] <Scottbert> don't use kate or abiword or things will be bad
[22:23] <TJ-> Scottbert: No I don't see it but that would be rare; I do see several indications that the latest 2013 version may have significant improvements. I also note that if you download the .BIO file it can be put on a USB key (presumably with a FAT32 file-system on) and installed from firmware setup using the "F7 BIOS Flash Update" method
[22:23] <OerHeks> kate will do fine.
[22:24] <Scottbert> Unfortunately I'm short on USB keys at the moment -- the only good one I have has the kubuntu install in case I need to reinstall again
[22:24] <Scottbert> brb
[22:25] <RodageMRQ> have only grub.old in that folder
[22:25] <RodageMRQ> I do have a free USBkey.  Bios flash update isnt risky?
[22:26] <Scottbert> Uhh, the link I posted was for MY bios, do you have the exact same one?
[22:26] <Scottbert> Anyway brb here goes
[22:26] <TJ-> RodageMRQ: did you pastebin the grub.cfg file?
[22:26] <RodageMRQ> Also.  I got the same problem with external usb hard disks...  Still on the good way?
[22:27] <RodageMRQ> TJ-: didnt on it
[22:28] <RodageMRQ> pastebininit need to get installed.  Ok for that?
[22:28] <Scottbert> Nope, didn't work
[22:29] <Scottbert> So let me get this straight... this problem means that the noveau drivers are loaded /earlier/ in the boot sequence than the nvidia drivers?
[22:30] <RodageMRQ> Scottbert: is all that in CMOS?
[22:31] <RodageMRQ> I never got an idea where all that goes but it seems disk dependant.  Im lost.
[22:32] <Scottbert> No I'm talking about linux's video drivers
[22:33] <RodageMRQ> Tj: pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg -> impossible to read the file.
[22:33] <Scottbert> Anyway I've found someone else with the problem I describe linking https://www.onetransistor.eu/2016/03/plymouth-fix-nvidia.html
[22:33] <RodageMRQ> Scottbert: but OS drivers loaded AFTER the grub choice....  right?
[22:34] <RodageMRQ> I can easily get rid of that driver in Ubuntu.
[22:34] <Scottbert> Hmm, I don't have a /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash file, though...
[22:36] <RodageMRQ> Please figure my BIOS allows to disable the nvdia problem i have.  How shall does it called?  I seek what?
[22:36] <TJ-> Scottbert: no to nouveau being loaded earlier. The dmesg from your system shows a couple of things. First is that there is EFI FrameBuffer (efi-fb) available for the console (due to no GOP I think) so if booting in GFX modes that would explain the symptom until nvidia driver loads.
[22:37] <Scottbert> So I need to make it use this efi-fb mode?
[22:38] <TJ-> Scottbert: Actually, Nouveau might be loaded earlier (from initramfs). You'd have to check that.
[22:38] <Scottbert> RodageMRQ: Wait, do you have the same problem I do? I thought you had a different issue with grub adding a bunch of partitions you didn't want it to look in
[22:38] <TJ-> Scottbert: efi-fb driver will load *if* the UEFI GOP is detected. But it isn't, so no efi-fb, and therefore no early console output
[22:38] <AngelKde> Scottbert,  try this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[22:38] <RodageMRQ> Scottbert: seems
[22:39] <TJ-> Scottbert: is the nivida GPU integrated onto the motherboard, or plugged into a PCIe slot?
[22:39] <Scottbert> Plugged into PCIe
[22:39] <RodageMRQ> TJ-: Onboard
[22:40] <Scottbert> Wait a minute, it cannot POSSIBLY need a driver to display boot stuff, I mean... I wouldn't be able to SEE the grub error messages if it needed a driver to display them!
[22:40] <RodageMRQ> Make sense if i look at bios tring to ignore nvdia?
[22:40] <RodageMRQ> Scottbert: right
[22:40] <TJ-> Scottbert: right, so the Mobo's own firmware cannot provide a GOP for it. The GOP needs to be provided by the GPU firmware. How old is the Nvidia card? do "lspci -nn -d ::0300" to get its info
[22:41] <Aeden> Hello
[22:41] <Scottbert> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] [10de:1380] (rev a2)
[22:41] <Scottbert> How do I tell it to not worry about GOP and just use text mode
[22:41] <RodageMRQ> VGA compatible
[22:41] <TJ-> Scottbert: it all needs a driver. Luckily for text modes they're well-known and well-supported, but GFX modes aren't in some circumstances.
[22:42] <Aeden> Do you have any idea how to define a few inputs with the key altgr to type accentuated letters?
[22:42] <Scottbert> Well, there's no GOP evidently, so what do I do?
[22:42] <Aeden> For example, I would like to type special charaters from the Esperanto language
[22:42] <TJ-> Scottbert: OK, a search quickly indicates that device doesn't have a GOP, e.g. https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?56406-UEFI-GOP-for-GTX-750-ti
[22:43] <RodageMRQ> TJ-: any way to tell bios to do not consider nvdia until OS started?
[22:44] <RodageMRQ> ..... im breaking a fuse.  Not a tech i must repeat.
[22:44] <Scottbert> Rodage: Are you playing games and stuff on this computer or do you just need the boot screen back at any cost?
[22:45] <TJ-> Scottbert: from further reading it seems some manufacturers may have added a GOP to that card, but from what I read so far EVGA and MSI didn't
[22:45] <Scottbert> TJ-: Right. I have no GOP. How do I tell it to load framebuffer mode anyway?
[22:45] <TJ-> RodageMRQ: you've totally confused me as to what issue you're trying to solve.
[22:46] <TJ-> Scottbert: you cannot, that's my point, there is no code in UEFI mode (no GOP) to write to screen in most (all?) graphics modes, so only text-mode consoles will work
[22:46] <RodageMRQ> Récapitulons:  BIOS did see nvdia card.  Then installed a pre-driver at the start of my disks.  Thats why GRUB lack of space?
[22:46] <Scottbert> Okay, so, how do I tell it to use a text mode console? Or is it impossible to have text-mode console and a GUI on the same system?
[22:47] <TJ-> Scottbert: usually "GRUB_TERMINAL=console" in /etc/default/grub will force text-mode and consoles will be visible
[22:47] <RodageMRQ> Cauz driver cannot start before os...
[22:47] <Scottbert> It does not though
[22:47] <Randolf> How can I set up a USB memory stick to boot to multiple ISOs?  I tried following various instructions for this, but they all fail with the EFI stuff.  Here's one such page:  https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-multiboot-usb-with-linux
[22:47] <RodageMRQ> i dont have an etc/default/grub   (.old only)
[22:47] <TJ-> Scottbert: does GRUB appear in text mode (80x25) ?
[22:48] <TJ-> RodageMRQ: please stick you your own issue; you're confusing the situation otherwise
[22:48] <Scottbert> I don't get a menu, just the error about hwmode not set or something
[22:48] <RodageMRQ> NO.  Not for me.  Grub looks video card formatted
[22:48] <Scottbert> The error looks to be in 80x25 though
[22:49] <TJ-> Scottbert: are you tapping Esc key to get to the GRUB menu, or just waiting for the system to boot?
[22:49] <RodageMRQ> For me: just waiting
[22:49] <Scottbert> Been just waiting. ESC worked before I reinstalled kubuntu, though... And then it looked graphical.
[22:49] <boris_> Hi, is it possible to encrypt a root drive afterinstallation?
[22:50] <TJ-> Scottbert: OK, so it is likely the setting is working (its a GRUB setting) so prove that by tapping Esc and check you get a text-mode 80x25 displayed menu... if the console 'disappears' when the OS loads then that's a different issue, and may be solved with an option that 'keeps' the current GPU mode
[22:51] <Scottbert> I see
[22:51] <RodageMRQ> Scottbert: TJ-:  On it
[22:51] <Scottbert> I shall try to apply this: https://www.onetransistor.eu/2016/03/plymouth-fix-nvidia.html
[22:52] <Scottbert> Except I don't have a /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash so I can't do that part
[22:52] <Scottbert> but one thing at a time
[22:52] <RodageMRQ> If it doesnt work.  Will reinstall all with a dummy graphic card.  Im exhausted to do not understand anyting<
[22:53] <RodageMRQ> brb (and thnks alot)
[22:54] <Scottbert> Rondage: If you're tyring to solve the same problem I am and don't need minecraft to run you can just install the noveau drivers
[22:54] <Scottbert> Dunno what you mean by 'grub out of room' though
[22:57] <ryuo> boris_: no. not without a lot of work anyway. not something for your casual user.
[22:57] <ryuo> boris_: only home directory encryption can be easily enabled after install.
[22:57] <Randolf> Scottbert:  Your FAT32 partition is probably too small.  It may need to be larger than 500 MBs.
[22:57] <JonelethIrenicus> openvpn doesn't work
[22:58] <Randolf> JonelethIrenicus: What problem are you encountering with OpenVPN?
[22:58] <Randolf> JonelethIrenicus: I use it a lot.
[22:58] <Randolf> Scottbert:  Your FAT32 partition is probably too small.  It may need to be larger than 500 MBs.
[22:58] <JonelethIrenicus> Randolf: currently just testing if i am connected and I am, but it works and then stops and works and stops
[22:58] <Scottbert> insmod video and then videoinfo just says no information available for cirrus and bochs (???)
[22:58] <Randolf> JonelethIrenicus: Are you using it in UDP mode or TCP mode?
[22:59] <Scottbert> What the flying intercourse? What's this about a FAT32 partition?
[22:59] <Scottbert> @Randolf:
[22:59] <JonelethIrenicus> Randolf: default, I just installed it from the repos and connected it to my vpn
[22:59] <Randolf> Scottbert: I ran into this problem recently, and then I read somewhere that booting GRUB from USB with EFI requires a FAT32 partition for booting it, and that partition needs to be a minimum of 500 MBs.
[23:00] <Aeden> I'm very suprized that it's so complicated to type Esperanto letters on Ubuntu
[23:00] <Randolf> JonelethIrenicus: It should be UDP by default then.  You really should read through the configuration files and make sure you understand how things are set up.
[23:01] <Aeden> On Windows, I have "Tajpi" which allows me typing Esperanto letters, but there is nothing on Ubuntu
[23:01] <jeremy31> Randolf: Win 10 makes a EFI partition at about 200 MB and you can install Ubuntu alongside
[23:01] <Scottbert> I'm not booting it from a USB...
[23:01] <Randolf> JonelethIrenicus: In your .ovpn client on the client-side, are you setting your "remote" directive to an IP address?
[23:01] <Aeden> The only thing we have, is a Qwerty Esperanto layout, that I won't use because I'm french
[23:01] <Scottbert> Anyway, what does that have to do with my graphics card not providing a GOP?
[23:02] <Randolf> jeremy31: That's awesome.  I must be using outdated documents then.  I'm not able to get GRUB2 installed -- the "grub2-install" script/program can't be found (and it doesn
[23:02] <Aeden> I'm so disapointed but the lack of options that we can find on Windows, very suprizing
[23:02] <Randolf> jeremy31: That's awesome.  I must be using outdated documents then.  I'm not able to get GRUB2 installed -- the "grub2-install" script/program can't be found (and it doesn't seem to come with any of the GRUB2 packages via apt).
[23:03] <jeremy31> Randolf: If you install Ubuntu by itself using EFI the EFI system partition is normally about 500MB
[23:03] <Scottbert> TJ-: I confirmed that I can get a 80x25 grub menu if I press esc during the timeout
[23:04] <Randolf> jeremy31: Okay.  I'd really like to set up my USB memory stick to have two (or more) ISOs for installing Linux from (one server, one desktop).  So far I cannot get this to work.
[23:04] <Aeden> You really don't care about others
[23:04] <Aeden> So fuck you guys
[23:04] <Randolf> Aeden: I'm sorry that you're frustrated.
[23:04] <Aeden> I'm pretty sure that you will read this last one
[23:04] <Randolf> Aeden: This is an open source project where people are volunteering their time for free.
[23:05] <Aeden> You only react when we insult you
[23:05] <Randolf> Aeden: People have the best intentions to help others.
[23:05] <Randolf> Aeden: Insults are usually not the best way to get attention.  This is IRC, where responses can sometimes take a long time.
[23:06] <jeremy31> Aeden: The only reason you get no response, is that nobody currently watching this channel understands how to fix the issue
[23:06] <Aeden> It's the only way to get attention
[23:06] <jeremy31> Aeden: it doesn't help fix the issue
[23:06] <Randolf> Aeden: No, it isn't.  I didn't use insults, and jeremy31 responded to me.
[23:07] <Randolf> Aeden: I also just tried to help someone who had questions about OpenVPN.
[23:07] <Randolf> Aeden: They didn't insult anyone either.
[23:07] <Aeden> Because he is treating an usual, well known problem.
[23:07] <OerHeks> Aeden, nobody will help, unless you repeat your question + please
[23:07] <Randolf> Aeden: Now you're changing the criteria -- that's a "moving the goalposts" fallacy.
[23:08] <Aeden> I wrote many lines, but in fact no one have an idea of what I spoke about
[23:08] <ryuo> Why feed the troll? It's a waste of time.
[23:08] <Aeden> Outside a certain field of knowledge, you are not capable anymore to help people
[23:08] <jeremy31> Aeden: All I can think of is keyboard layout settings
[23:08] <Randolf> Aeden: My suggestion to you is to skip the insults, and try asking your question again.  There's also a mailing list, but I'm not sure how to access it -- someone else here may be able to point you in the right direction.  You could also try Usenet (newsgroups).
[23:09] <OerHeks> stop this please, lets go back to support, thanks
[23:09] <Scottbert> Applying nomodeset, rebooting
[23:09] <Aeden> I don't have time to waste anymore, I wanted to complain, because I'm very bored of so inefficient Linux community
[23:10] <Aeden> I was thinking about installing Ubuntu on my next Laptop, but I won't to it
[23:10] <OerHeks>  /ignore
[23:10] <Aeden> Yes ignore what you are unable to treat
[23:10] <Aeden> Bye useless people
[23:10] <Randolf> Aeden:  That's your choice.
[23:11] <Randolf> Well, I sure hope he gets better support from Microsoft.  ;)
[23:11] <ryuo> Wow. What an entitled piece of work...
[23:11] <Scottbert> nomodeset does not work as advertised :(
[23:11] <Randolf> My experience here has been that this is a friendly, helpful, and generally quite responsive community.
[23:12] <JonelethIrenicus> Randolf: my what?
[23:13] <JonelethIrenicus> Randolf: I am not experienced with openvpn
[23:14] <swift110> sup
[23:17] <Scottbert> Gonna go fiddle with grub some more
[23:18] <boris_> ryuo, thank you. Is there an ubuntu Link for encrypting home only?
[23:19] <ryuo> boris_: remember it was an option during user creation?
[23:19] <ryuo> boris_: https://www.howtogeek.com/116032/how-to-encrypt-your-home-folder-after-installing-ubuntu/ <-- seems to say how.
[23:20] <ryuo> boris_: keep in mind this isn't the most efficient method available, but it'll get the job done.
[23:22] <Scottbert> No good. I notice that grub says 'booting a command list' when I press e to edit in the menu
[23:23] <Scottbert> And said command list, notably, completely ignores whatever parameters I told /etc/default/grub to pass to linux
[23:23] <Scottbert> However, adding nomodeset or nvidia.modeset=0 does nothing
[23:26] <Scottbert> What the flying fsk?! What I saw when I pressed e on the grub menu was NOT the same as when I look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg!
[23:26] <Scottbert> What the hell?!
[23:28] <Scottbert> And any attempt to access /boot/efi is permission denied... even with sudo
[23:30] <Scottbert> Woah, what the shit? /boot/efi/EFI/ has references to uninstalled linux distros on it
[23:34] <chull> I'm trying to help my husband set up his new Canon PIXMA TS9100 printer on Ubuntu 1804. I'm not sure why it can't see the printer. we are at Select Device and we tried putting in the printer's IP but it needs something else?
[23:34] <boris_> ryuo, forgot about user creation, thank you. I
[23:35] <ryuo> chull: so it's a network printer?
[23:35] <chull> ryuo yes
[23:35] <ryuo> canon printers usually have bad cups support, if they even work at all. hm.
[23:36] <chull> he had one of these before that worked, but it broke
[23:36] <ryuo> with Ubuntu?
[23:36] <chull> ryuo, yes same computer etc.
[23:37] <chull> it didn't work with the old drivers, so he downloaded new.
[23:37] <Scottbert> Looks like vt.handoff may have been the culprit all along, going to go fiddle some more
[23:41] <chull> he's downloaded something called cnijfilter2 but apparently ubuntu doesn't think that's the driver
[23:42] <ryuo> is this really new? ubuntu bionic doesn't ship with that driver.
[23:43] <chull> I noticed that, ryuo. It is new, yes. I think what we did before was get a driver from Canon maybe
[23:43] <chull> ryuo, Canon won't sell the old printer that has drivers.
[23:43] <ryuo> chull: one option you can try is a newer Ubuntu release... i'll see if a 19.04 container has drivers.
[23:44] <chull> ryuo, can that work with his 18.04 then?
[23:45] <ryuo> chull: not likely... this is a newer interim release of ubuntu.
[23:45] <ryuo> that's one option.
[23:46] <ryuo> only supported for 9 months
[23:46] <chull> that's why he gets lts
[23:46] <ryuo> but it's something i use when i need newer support.
[23:46] <ryuo> well, one option might be to check backports...
[23:46] <chull> hmm
[23:47] <ryuo> hm. nothing.
[23:47] <tomreyn> what makes you thinnk the driver canon provides doesn't work?
[23:47] <chull> tomreyn, hi! How are you?
[23:47] <tomreyn> doing fine, thanks chull
[23:48] <chull> :)
[23:48] <chull> tomreyn, i just think we are doing something not quite right. it should work.
[23:48] <soulisson> Hi
[23:48] <tomreyn> hope the same goes for you two
[23:48] <soulisson> Can APT::Update::Pre-Invoke can be specified as an env variable?
[23:49] <ryuo> chull: ok.. forget the disco suggestion. it doesn't have a TS9100 driver.
[23:49] <chull> ryuo, ok. There are canon drivers for Linux.
[23:49] <tomreyn> chull: so i don't have this printer here, obviously, so can't test it. but here's what i'd do: access https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/printers/inkjet-multifunction/ts-series-inkjet/pixma-ts9120-gray-wireless-all-in-one-inkjet-printer?tab=drivers_downloads
[23:49] <chull> i just don't know where hubby is at in the installation, and he can't talk to tell me.
[23:49] <ryuo> yes, well, Canon isn't like HP printers. their support is less than ideal.
[23:49] <tomreyn> download two files: cnijfilter2-5.50-1-deb.tar.gz and scangearmp2-3.50-1-deb.tar.gz
[23:50] <ryuo> though maybe you can still get it working.
[23:50] <chull> tomreyn, sweet! Thanks.
[23:50] <tomreyn> focus on cnijfilter2-5.50-1-deb.tar.gz, the other is the scanner driver (i assume this is a multi functionprinter scanner device)
[23:51] <chull> tomreyn, yep it does everything but feed the cats.
[23:51] <tomreyn> unpack it using "tar xzf cnijfilter2-5.50-1-deb.tar.gz" or a graphical unpacker.
[23:51] <ryuo> chull: the next time you need a new printer i'd suggest looking at HP. HPLIP is well known for its Linux compatibility.
[23:52] <chull> ryuo, i don't think HP ink cartriges like to be hacked though.
[23:52] <ryuo> heh... inkjet... i haven't used those money guzzlers in years.
[23:52] <ryuo> laser printers.
[23:53] <tomreyn> in there is installsh which you could just run. i have not tried to read the full code, it is long - but at least it does not seem to make too many assumptions about specific versions etc.
[23:53] <ryuo> chull: fair enough.
[23:55] <tomreyn> the scangearmp2-3.50-1-deb.tar.gz file works the same. extract, then run install.sh
[23:56] <chull> nice. tomreyn i'm still trying to figure out where he is in it.
[23:58] <chull> tomreyn, he's at Select Device Find Network Printer and there's a box.
[23:58] <chull> i think then it will try (again) to find drivers and that's not what we want, since we have the driver?
[23:59] <tomreyn> chull: i didn't get that far, i assume that's after running install.sh, and is for configuring up the printer driver
[23:59] <tomreyn> is it in a terminal window?