[00:00] <chull> probably tomreyn it's giving an example: ipp://cups-servr/printers/printer-queue
[00:00] <chull> i don't know what it needs
[00:00] <tomreyn> does it list several protocols to choose from, like ipp http tcp lpadmin
[00:01] <chull> tomreyn, yes. what's it after on our local lan?
[00:01] <chull> we know the printer's ip
[00:01] <tomreyn> you need to have the ip address of the printer. and the router needs to aways assign this same ip address to it
[00:02] <tomreyn> is this setup in the router, yet?
[00:02] <chull> tomreyn, i don't know.
[00:02] <tomreyn> or is there a static ip address configured on the printer?
[00:03] <tomreyn> i.e. did one of you set this on its website?
[00:03] <ryuo> tomreyn: it's probably using DHCP if they didn't configure it.
[00:03] <chull> tomreyn, i don't know. it worked with the last printer.
[00:03] <soulisson> anyone for my question please?
[00:03] <chull> he says there is a static ip address assigned to the printer.
[00:03] <tomreyn> ryuo: yes, most likely.
[00:04] <ryuo> chull: i'd see if it's reachable through ping.
[00:04] <ryuo> if it's not even detected, then the driver problem is a side issue.
[00:04] <tomreyn> chull: great, ipp:// would be the standard protocol to use. there is also ipps:// which is encrypted, but for home, if you go through a wire (not wireless) you probably don't need this.
[00:05] <chull> thanks tomreyn - ryuo bingo. it doesn't respond to pings. what now?
[00:06] <stoned> Is there a reliable php7.3 repository for ubuntu 18.04?
[00:06] <stoned> The distro only contains php 7.2 I think
[00:06] <stoned> PHP 7.2.17-0ubuntu0.18.04.1
[00:06] <stoned> Other than compiling from source, is there a packaged way?
[00:07] <tomreyn> chull: hmm, then i guess i'd refer to its setup instructions
[00:07] <tomreyn> chull: there was surely some quick setup manual which came with it.
[00:07] <ryuo> chull: no idea, but a factory reset might be in order.
[00:08] <ryuo> but a printer should respond to pings.
[00:08] <tomreyn> chull: if your router has a web interface, it'd be good to check whether it can see the printer, and whether its ip address is really the one you think it is
[00:09] <tomreyn> stoned: only the version in ubuntu is supported here. you may find a ppa which supports other versions. Ondřej Surý's PPAs are often used for this purpose, but are not supported here.
[00:09] <tomreyn> soulisson: not that i know of. why would you need to?
[00:09] <stoned> Hm.
[00:10] <soulisson> tomreyn, i'm doing a ctf and I can run sudo apt-get update without password :)
[00:12] <tomreyn> soulisson: i see. good luck.
[00:12] <chalcedony> chull tomreyn ryuo  windows sees that printer
[00:13] <soulisson> tomreyn, thanks
[00:15] <tomreyn> chalcedony: so i guess it just doesn't respond to ping, or not until it is setup maybe.
[00:16] <tomreyn> chalcedony: i suggest you take the approach i discussed above, incas ethat'S not what you did.
[00:18] <chalcedony> tomreyn,  it says it's printing a test page, we will see
[00:20] <chull> tomreyn, there is a difference between 130 and 230 ;)
[00:20] <chull> it does see pings with the right address
[00:21] <tomreyn> :)
[01:00] <Randune> hi all..has anyone used mokmanager to sign a third party (proprietary) driver with secure boot?
[01:05] <Goop> how do I type in unicode characters on Ubuntu Desktop?
[01:06] <Goop> On Windows I can hold down alt, use the numpad and let go of alt to virtually type the unicode character, and most applications would accept it.
[01:10] <tomreyn> Goop: ctrl-shift-u + hexcode
[01:10] <Goop> What is the minus mean?
[01:10] <Goop> I hold all of them at out?
[01:10] <Goop> at once*
[01:10] <Goop> I tap them?
[01:11] <tomreyn> altogether, then release when u is printed
[01:12] <tomreyn> then space or enter to finish composing
[01:13] <Goop> 002B
[01:14] <Goop> That didn't go as expected.
[01:14] <tomreyn> use lower case characters, pressing shift may break the sequence
[01:15] <tomreyn> no need for leading zeros
[01:15] <bkovacs7> Hello
[01:15] <bkovacs7> exit
[01:16] <Goop> I'm trying to be able to say the German "Weiß" without copy-and-paste.
[01:16] <Goop> I am American English, so I do not have that character on my keyboard.
[01:16] <Goop> 
[01:16] <Goop> What?
[01:17] <Goop> 0080
[01:19] <tomreyn> Goop: https://www.ascii-code.com/ lists extended ascii codes. hex for ß is DF
[01:22] <Goop> tomreyn, if I try [control + shift + u] - 0223 or [control + shift + u] - 223, I get ȣ
[01:22] <Goop> not ß.
[01:22] <tomreyn> Goop: do you know what decimal and hexadecimal are?
[01:23] <tomreyn> base 10, base 16?
[01:23] <Goop> tomreyn, I know what decimals are. Not really hexadecimal.
[01:23] <Goop> I know what binary is, but I have never understood hexadecimal is.
[01:23] <tomreyn> binary is base 2
[01:23] <tomreyn> look it up on the web,
[01:25] <tomreyn> Goop: the input to ctrl-shift-u needs to be hex(adecimal), not dec(imal) codes. the table i pointed you to lists both on separate columns
[01:27] <khoze> hello friends?
[01:27] <tomreyn> hi
[01:28] <Goop> tomreyn, oh that is much easier.
[01:28] <Goop> khoze, hello
[01:29] <Goop> tomreyn, Okay, now I understand. You've taught me something new. [control + shift + u] - DF gives me ß.
[01:30] <tomreyn> Goop: glad it makese sense now.
[01:30] <khoze> can someone fix sql error mandationary?
[01:31] <Goop> khoze, I do not understand. Do you want someone else to fix your error?
[01:31] <tomreyn> khoze: i don't think this question makes sense to me.
[01:32] <Goop> khoze, are you asking if it is possible for a person to fix a particular MySQL error?
[01:32] <Goop> are you asking for help with fixing a "mandationary" error?
[01:32] <Goop> In which case, I do not know what a "mandationary" error is. You will need to clarify.
[01:33] <khoze> i have problem when i excute, mysql,
[01:33] <Goop> khoze, okay, you have a problem when executing a MySQL command. Can we get the query you tried?
[01:35] <khoze> sqlmap.py: error: missing a mandatory option
[01:35] <Goop> khoze, okay so you have a Python error, that is not a MySQL error.
[01:36] <khoze> yes my python? why to upgrade?
[01:36] <Goop> khoze, will you post the Python script on Ubuntu paste?
[01:36] <Goop> https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[01:36] <Goop> There is the link ^
[01:37] <tomreyn> khoze: we don't support hacking here.
[01:37] <Goop> tomreyn, I don't think he is hacking.
[01:37] <tomreyn> Goop: i do
[01:37] <Goop> tomreyn, why is that?
[01:38] <Goop> khoze, if you need some help, you can send me a PM. I am not sure tomreyn is right on his assessment that you are hacking.
[01:38] <tomreyn> search the web for the name of the script
[01:38] <Goop> tomreyn, could be a coinsidence.
[01:38] <Goop> sql and map are words in the English language.
[01:39] <Goop> It could be a map between Python objects and MyQSL objects.
[01:39] <Ringtailed-Fox> does this channel also support ubuntu on windows subsystem for linux?
[01:39] <tomreyn> !wsl | Ringtailed-Fox
[01:39] <Ringtailed-Fox> thanks
[01:39] <MisterMom> cool
[01:39] <Goop> Ringtailed-Fox, it depends. If it is Ubuntu commands, I guess we can help.
[01:39] <tomreyn> Ringtailed-Fox: for generic ubuntu questions which do not specifically apply to WSL only you can ask here
[01:40] <tomreyn> Goop: i think khoze will point it out if i was wrong.
[01:40] <Ringtailed-Fox> when i try to either add/remove a package or run a system upgrade in the form of do-release-upgrade, it crashes and i get errors like https://pastebin.com/GaMV3yk3
[01:41] <Goop> tomreyn, I take that khoze does not speak English well and is taking some time to respond to our complex language skills.
[01:41] <Goop> English language skills, that is.
[01:41] <tomreyn> yup
[01:43] <tomreyn> Ringtailed-Fox: let's see the output for installing packages, also post the command you ran. and please prefer the pastebin on the channel topic.
[02:17] <Ringtailed-Fox> paste.ubuntu.com?
[02:18] <Ringtailed-Fox> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gJKqRJ8tbD/
[02:18] <Blackh4t> holla
[02:18] <Ringtailed-Fox> hi
[02:18] <Blackh4t> I'm from indonesia
[02:20] <tomreyn> Blackh4t: hi again. we still don't do hacking here.
[02:24] <Blackh4t> q tomreyn
[02:27] <BlackH4t> Holla we are blackh4t cyber from indonesia
[02:28] <Goop> BlackH4t, yes?
[02:31] <BlackH4t> Goop, Yes it true, we can do hacking together. if you want, please join with me
[02:31] <Goop> BlackH4t, not really sure how that is relevant here.
[02:31] <tomreyn> BlackH4t: please stop. this is off-topic here.
[02:32] <BlackH4t> jajaja
[02:34] <BlackH4t> we can hack thousands of official sites in your country, so get ready from now on.
[02:35] <BlackH4t> seeyou next time.🎩
[02:38] <Ringtailed-Fox> why didn't you guys just ban blackh4t?
[03:08] <BillyZane> hi
[03:10] <Nuion> Hello
[03:11] <BillyZane> I am a student looking to study robotics and I was thinking of using ROS 2. I guess my start would be to piece together some hardware and software
[03:12] <bab> Quit
[03:12] <BillyZane> since ROS is recommended to use with ubuntu, is there any recommendation for making ubuntu real time
[03:12] <BillyZane> should i do a kernel patch
[03:12] <Scottbert> I'm now on Disco Dingo and reports that kernel 5.0 gets along with nvidia drivers at boot are greatly exagerated
[03:14] <evdubs> how are people planning on dealing with LTS-only upgrades as it pertains to postgresql? postgresql is only on version 10 for 18.04 and upgrading from 18.10 to 19.04 forced me to upgrade to postgresql 11 and i lost my old database during the upgrade
[03:15] <evdubs> are postgresql users expected to install postgresql 11 from a ppa on their 18.04 installation prior to the next LTS?
[03:17] <ellyacht> I don't see an option to boot into recovery mode off a live USB?
[03:32] <Scottbert> is mkinitcpio just an arch thing or will instructions work for me too?
[03:34] <qwebirc49869> hello
[03:36] <qwebirc49869> how to chatting?
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> !chat | qwebirc49869
[03:48] <tripd> who can help me?
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> ask a question first tripd
[03:55] <GBGames> When I use Firefox, I press Alt+left to go back to a previous page, but now when I do so I find myself looking at the login screen. If I press Alt+right, I get back to my session. If I press Alt+Left multiple times, I find myself looking at the virtual terminals. I can't find this shortcut set anywhere, though. Any idea what is going on?
[03:55] <GBGames> Normally I only see this happen if I press Ctrl+Alt+F1 or something like that.
[03:56] <GBGames> I'm using Ubuntu 18.04.
[03:59] <Scottbert> Okay does ANYONE know how to enable KMS with Nvidia's drivers?
[04:25] <tripd> clear
[04:27] <tatertots> 1
[04:57] <Scottbert> I'm hours down this rabithole
[04:57] <Scottbert> I've wasted half the day
[04:57] <Scottbert> HOW DO I FIX THE BLIND MODE THING
[04:57] <Scottbert> Like why is it so hard for linux to give me a goddamn console on boot
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> !language | Scottbert
[04:58] <Scottbert> I wouldn't be swearing if it wasn't 6+ hours of work for no result to get a console
[04:58] <Scottbert> Does anyone know what to do?
[05:00] <Scottbert> googling ubuntu blind mode indicates that it's hardly an unknown problem
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> Scottbert: this is not the complain channel, if you want help its best to ask your question all in one line with all details and be patient until volunteers reply
[05:02] <Goop> Scottbert, are you working with Ubuntu server? What console are you talking about?
[05:02] <Bashing-om> Scottbert: What results with the grub boot parameter: systemd.unit=multi-user.target. And for the whole process see: ' man bootup ' .
[05:03] <Goop> Oh geez. I love problems that are as deep as the Grub boot loader.
[05:03] <Scottbert> kubuntu disco dingo. On initial install, it says invalid video mode (paraphrasing), booting in blind mode... No boot text. once plymouth comes up, can press a key to watch the boot sequence. However...
[05:04] <Scottbert> Once nvidia drivers are installed, plymouth never comes up. There's no boot sequence until the login screen comes up. This is bad, because if the GUI ever breaks, I'm hosed. (ctrl+alt+f2 shows the blind mode message, it MAY work as a blind terminal but I can't see what I'm typing or responses)
[05:05] <Goop> Scottbert, if you want things to work well, I would highly recommend using a more "settled" version of kubuntu. I recommend using LTS 18.04, so you get that support.
[05:05] <Bashing-om> Scottbert: systemctl set-default multi-user, completely disables starting X on startup so you get a console interface.
[05:05] <Scottbert> So, to be clear, I'm not trying to boot to console INSTEAD of x. I'm trying to make sure a console is THERE, so that I can see if there are any problems during boot, and so that I can reach a console if the gui ever fails.
[05:06] <Scottbert> I've had the gui fail me once so far and I ended up having to reinstall
[05:07] <Goop> Scottbert, what physical hardware do you have?
[05:07] <Scottbert> I am reasonably concerned that if I changed my config to boot to console without solving this problem first, I might end up stuck at the 'blind mode' screen forever.
[05:07] <Goop> For your video card, let's be specific.
[05:08] <Scottbert> an old intel mobo (just new enough to have UEFI) and a Radeon 750 Ti
[05:08] <Scottbert> The graphics card does not supply any information over GOP -- as far as grub is concerned it supports no video modes
[05:09] <Goop> Scottbert, but you were able to go through install just fine. Just the boot after install is screwing up?
[05:09] <Scottbert> Yes. I don't think it did blind mode during liveusb boot.
[05:09] <Scottbert> What I don't understand is why linux can't start in text mode, then load the nvidia drivers when x starts
[05:10] <Goop> I am no expert in hardware issues, just so you know. When I get computers that don't magically work with Ubuntu, I give up out of ignorance.
[05:10] <Scottbert> Or, alternatively, why KMS doesn't work and let it start in graphical mode
[05:10] <Goop> Luckily, this laptop magically works with Ubuntu. :)
[05:10] <Scottbert> Yes, well, windows broke and refuses to reinstall on this computer and I have no money, so 'give up' is not a choice
[05:11] <Goop> Scottbert, go with [k]Ubuntu 18.04
[05:11] <Goop> It is more stable and has more support.
[05:11] <Goop> Or go with [k]Ubuntu 16.04.
[05:11] <Scottbert> I heard somewhere that kernel 5.0 is better for graphics support, though
[05:12] <Goop> Unless your problem is also that you don't have another flashdrive/medium to put another OS on. Lol
[05:12] <Scottbert> I only have one working flash drive large enough to hold an OS install image -- it's kubuntu 18.10 on it at the moment
[05:13] <Scottbert> Also, google searching indicates that one form or another of this 'blind mode' issue has been a bugbear of Ubuntu's for years
[05:15] <Goop> Scottbert, oh so it might not even fix the issue by switching to a more stable operating system.
[05:17] <Scottbert> I believe I have cause to be hesitant, yes. Although it seems like everyone has a different reason for this bug to occur4.
[05:26] <qwebirc75194> hola, me pueden ayudar
[05:27] <qwebirc75194> olvide la contraseña exacta del encriptado de la computadora de mi cuñado y ahora no puede abrir
[05:27] <Goop> qwebirc75194, yo estoy Goop. yo hoblar englis.
[05:28] <Goop> qwebirc75194, mi espanol es no bueno, perdón.
[05:28] <qwebirc75194> ok talk inenglish
[05:29] <qwebirc75194> no speak very good :P
[05:29] <Goop> qwebirc75194, what is the problem?
[05:29] <qwebirc75194> no much but i understand
[05:29] <Goop> que passo?
[05:29] <Goop> que es tu problemo?
[05:29] <qwebirc75194> failed encrypted password
[05:30] <Scottbert> Alright, I'm going to try switching to noveau, disabling the ubuntu-nvidia PPA, rebooting, removing all nvidia packages, then installing a direct download from nvidia. Wish me luck.
[05:30] <Goop> Scottbert, good luck!
[05:30] <Goop> qwebirc75194, not sure I understand.
[05:30] <Goop> Do you need to get back into your computer?
[05:31] <qwebirc75194> yes but my password is complicated
[05:31] <qwebirc75194> and dont remember
[05:31] <qwebirc75194> exactly
[05:32] <Goop> Okay, you forgot your password and need to get back into your computer?
[05:32] <qwebirc75194> 4ng3l4l3xi5
[05:33] <Goop> qwebirc75194, what operating system are you using?
[05:33] <qwebirc75194> ubuntu 18'04
[05:34] <Goop> Abiding by the rules in this channel, I can recommend that you reinstall your operating system and wipe everything. However, I do not recommend this.
[05:35] <qwebirc75194> entiendo, no quisiera perder la informacion
[05:35] <Goop> If you own the hardware, or have the permission of the owner of the computer, I can give you ethical hacking advice on how to reset your password.
[05:35] <Goop> Ethical, as in you are not doing anything wrong by getting into your own computer.
[05:36] <qwebirc75194> si, tengo el permiso. es hermano de mi esposa
[05:36] <lotuspsychje__> !es | qwebirc75194
[05:36] <qwebirc75194> le estaba mostrando mi sistema porque su laptop estaba smuy lenta
[05:36] <qwebirc75194> winX
[05:36] <Goop> wait wait
[05:37] <Goop> If you can access the busybox, you can just simply do a "passwd <user>" to change the password.
[05:37] <qwebirc75194> sorry, ocuped box?
[05:38] <Goop> qwebirc75194, if you understand enough English you can stay here. I can try to use Google Translate if that helps. I am not sure if there is a lack of people in the Spanish channel.
[05:38] <qwebirc75194> okok busybox
[05:39] <Goop> qwebirc75194, restart your computer and hold "shift".
[05:39] <qwebirc75194> ok
[05:39] <Goop> qwebirc75194, let me know if a menu pops up.
[05:39] <qwebirc75194>  give me a second
[05:40] <qwebirc75194> yes,
[05:40] <qwebirc75194> ubuntu, options availed and system setup
[05:41] <Goop> qwebirc75194, just one moment...
[05:42] <Goop> qwebirc75194, arrow down and select "root" and hit "enter".
[05:43] <qwebirc75194>  The root menu is not found
[05:43] <Goop> qwebirc75194, what options are there?
[05:44] <Bashing-om> Goop: qwebirc75194 "failed encrypted password", Carefull here as this is not the system password.
[05:44] <qwebirc75194>  only 3 options "ubuntu"     "advanced options for ubuntu"        "system setup"
[05:45] <Goop> Bashing-om, maybe I misunderstood this situation. However, qwebirc75194 is struggling with English. Maybe he meant "password hash" instead of "encryption", so I take it he is trying to log into his computer and forgot his password.
[05:46] <SleepyTurtle> hi, I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu. After the installation process, I'm booted into the EFI shell and can't seem to get past it.
[05:46] <Goop> Bashing-om, I understand that there is a difference, but if you see the dialogue, I asked him. Maybe I will have to re-read it.
[05:46] <qwebirc75194> bashing-om,  what I remember is this but I do not accept it "4ng3l4l3x15" AngelAlexis
[05:47] <Goop> qwebirc75194, select "advanced options for ubuntu"
[05:48] <qwebirc75194> forget the encryption, the login session if I have it
[05:48] <Goop> qwebirc75194, it should bring you to another menu.
[05:48] <qwebirc75194> ok Goop
[05:49] <Goop> qwebirc75194, what are the options now?
[05:51] <qwebirc75194>  there are 4 "ubuntu with linux 4.18.0-17 generic" "ubuntu with linux 4.18.0-17 generic (recovery mode)" "ubuntu with linux 4.18.0-15 generic" "ubuntu with linux 4.18.0-15 generic (recovery mode)"
[05:51] <Goop> qwebirc75194, select "ubuntu with linux 4.18.0-17 generic (recovery mode)"
[05:51] <SleepyTurtle> hi, sorry my computer crashed, I may not have seen previous replies
[05:52] <qwebirc75194> ok
[05:52] <SleepyTurtle> I installed Ubuntu but now boot into the EFI shell and can't seem able to get past it.
[05:52] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, I am sorry I have not gotten to your issue yet. I know very little about those kind of issues.
[05:52] <Goop> qwebirc75194, what options are there now?
[05:53] <qwebirc75194> esta trabajando la terminal pero se detuvo en "volume group ubuntu-vg not found"
[05:54] <Goop> qwebirc75194, can you type in it? Press enter?
[05:54] <Goop> qwebirc75194, careful with what you type in.
[05:54] <Goop> qwebirc75194, try "echo hello"
[05:54] <qwebirc75194> yes "echo hola"
[05:55] <Goop> qwebirc75194, did nothing happen or did it say "hola" after that?
[05:55] <qwebirc75194> cannot process volume group ubunto-vg
[05:56] <Goop> qwebirc75194, so did it show the text you typed in?
[05:56] <qwebirc75194> warning : failed to conect to Ivmetad. Falling back to device scanning.
[05:56] <qwebirc75194> volume group "ubuntu-vg" not found
[05:57] <qwebirc75194> cannot process volume group ubuntu-vg
[05:57] <Goop> qwebirc75194, I am not sure I can help much. It sounds like you encrypted your volume. If you cannot remember your password you encrypted the volume with, you cannot get back the volume.
[05:57] <qwebirc75194> please unlock disk SDA3_crypt:
[05:58] <Goop> If you have an insecure password, you may be able to hack into it.
[05:58] <Goop> But I cannot really give hacking advice, sorry. Not really my field of expertise. :\
[05:59] <qwebirc75194>  if that is the detail that uses numbers and letters and we can not make it match the original. Well thank you very much for the time and excuse my English: D I will try to improve it
[05:59] <Goop> qwebirc75194, if it were a plain password issue, you could just change the password, but it looks like you've encrypted the volume.
[06:00] <qwebirc75194>  There is no maximum number of attempts, if I keep trying, nothing bad happens?
[06:00] <Goop> qwebirc75194, there is no maximum number of attempts. Try as many times as you want.
[06:00] <qwebirc75194>  yes, it is the encryption of the volume
[06:01] <qwebirc75194>  great, I'll keep trying
[06:01] <qwebirc75194>  Again, thank you very much Goop
[06:02] <Goop> qwebirc75194, you're welcome.
[06:02] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, okay tell me more about your problem.
[06:03] <SleepyTurtle> Goop: I seem to be stuck at the EFI shell
[06:03] <SleepyTurtle> even after a successful ubuntu installation
[06:04] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, I have no idea what the difference between UEFI/EFI/Legacy is, have you made sure that your motherboard settings allow for your installation type/
[06:04] <Goop> ?*
[06:04] <SleepyTurtle> I get 4 partitions (blk0 to blk3) but when doing ls they all seem to be empty
[06:05] <SleepyTurtle> Goop: My motherboard has no setting for UEFI/EFI/Legacy
[06:06] <SleepyTurtle> the datasheet says it has AMI EFI 64 bit
[06:06] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, not sure what all this means. I'm kinda taking shots in the dark here.
[06:07] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, so you're able to get into a shell?
[06:07] <SleepyTurtle> the EFI shell, yes
[06:07] <Goop> Not sure what an EFI shell is.
[06:07] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, have you tried Googling your issue?
[06:08] <SleepyTurtle> yes
[06:08] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, so where did you get stuck?
[06:08] <SleepyTurtle> at the beginning
[06:08] <SleepyTurtle> I seem to have nothing to work with
[06:08] <SleepyTurtle> other people have some sort of filesystem
[06:09] <SleepyTurtle> I see nothing but the black void of the pc's heart
[06:09] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, can you grab a livecd and run Ubuntu off of a USB stick?
[06:09] <SleepyTurtle> yes, I tried that and was able to see the ubuntu installation
[06:10] <SleepyTurtle> but can't boot into it
[06:10] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, there should be an option somewhere that says "try Ubuntu without installing" or something to that effect.
[06:11] <SleepyTurtle> yes, I did that to take a look at what was on the computer and was able to see the ubuntu installation
[06:11] <SleepyTurtle> But I can't boot into the installation on the computer
[06:11] <SleepyTurtle> It takes me directly to the EFI shell whenever I power it up
[06:12] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, okay if you have a Ubuntu operating system running, then you will have a better chance of things properly working when you try to list your volumes.
[06:13] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, have you considered a hardware failure of the storage volumes? Mechanical hard drives are more likely to fail if they are placed in extreme temperatures, change in temperatures, are bumped or dropped, or are physically opened and exposed to the elements (air).
[06:13] <Goop> storage devices*
[06:13] <Goop> not volumes
[06:14] <SleepyTurtle> Goop: It's a new computer
[06:15] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, have you considered the other factors I have mentioned? Have you treated the computer with care, and put it stable and good temperature, and not bumped it?
[06:16] <Goop> A new mechanical hard drive is still susceptible to damage.
[06:16] <SleepyTurtle> I received it yesterday
[06:16] <SleepyTurtle> I haven't had time to mistreat it yet
[06:17] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, okay I suggest installing a new operating system then. Keep it simple.
[06:17] <Goop> SleepyTurtle, wipe the old one and put it on again.
[06:17] <SleepyTurtle> That's what I did with ubuntu
[07:51] <SleepyTurtle> hi
[07:52] <SleepyTurtle> Do you need a static ip adress to ssh into a machine if you are both on the same network?
[07:52] <bhuddah> SleepyTurtle: that question doesn't make much sense.
[07:52] <SleepyTurtle> why not?
[07:54] <bhuddah> SleepyTurtle: all the things you ask about are orthogonal.
[07:55] <SleepyTurtle> not really
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> SleepyTurtle: this is also not really an ubuntu question
[07:55] <SleepyTurtle> Is having a static ip adress still necessary when connecting computers via ssh in the same network?
[07:57] <bhuddah> sometimes i wonder why i even bother...
[07:58] <SleepyTurtle> bhuddah: please, with that attitude, don't bother.
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> SleepyTurtle: dont tell volunteers what to do or not
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> SleepyTurtle: your question is not about ubuntu, move on please
[08:00] <interrobangd> hello, i want to move from ext4 to btrfs and have copies the entire filesytem, updated grub and select the new menu entrie (ubuntu on the btrfs partion) .. but it runs from ext4
[08:00] <interrobangd> whats wrong
[08:02] <SleepyTurtle> lotuspsychje: being a volunteer does not exempt you from basic decency
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> SleepyTurtle: feel free to discuss that in #ubuntu-discuss
[08:02] <SleepyTurtle> I will, however, take your advice and move on
[08:24] <ducasse> interrobangd: your grub config might still point to the old drive as root fs
[08:25] <interrobangd> ducasse, yes! but why...
[08:26] <interrobangd> i have a GPT table and EFI partiton  .... could  that be the problem?
[08:26] <ducasse> no, that should not matter
[08:27] <interrobangd> .. any idea why grub add new menu entries but boot from old ext4?
[08:28] <interrobangd> .. using the old "root fs"!?
[08:28] <abdeel> hi, I have two partitions (ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04) I can access the files in 18.04 from 16.04 but I cannot access my files in 16.04 from 18.04
[08:29] <ducasse> interrobangd: can you pastebin your /etc/fstab and the output from 'blkid'?
[08:30] <lupulo> hi
[08:30] <abdeel> hi, I have two partitions (ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04) I can access the files in 18.04 from 16.04 but I cannot access my files in 16.04 from 18.04
[08:30] <lupulo> abdeel, you should find the partition fdisk -l
[08:31] <lupulo> abdeel, do you have lvm or something?
[08:32] <interrobangd> ducasse, fstab -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Dq6gmcQsRw/ blkid -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pVF85Wn2bS/
[08:33] <interrobangd> old ext4 -> ac4c432c-ad75-4d3c-bfa6-e67850e8efb9, new btrfs -> bc31f0ab-dfbd-4c35-9c60-70776aeb0242
[08:34] <ducasse> fstab is still pointing to ext4, it needs to point to the root btrfs subvol
[08:34] <abdeel> lupulo, I don't have. I can access both drives but 16.04 drive is usually empty
[08:34] <ducasse> interrobangd: grub needs to match that too
[08:34] <abdeel> when I access the drive of 16.04 from 18.04, its usually empty but I can access the files of 18.04 from 16.04
[08:35] <abdeel> fdisk: cannot open /dev/loop24: Permission denied
[08:36] <lupulo> abdeel, say to me the output of "mount | grep "/ "
[08:37] <lupulo> abdeel, mount | grep "/ " | cut -d" " -f1
[08:37] <interrobangd> ducasse, i think it is because fstab is from old ext4!?
[08:38] <ducasse> interrobangd: well, did you edit in on the btrfs volume?
[08:38] <ducasse> *edit it
[08:38] <interrobangd> ... no
[08:38] <interrobangd> damn!
[08:39] <ducasse> right. that won't happen by itself
[08:40] <ducasse> interrobangd: you also need to add "subvol=@" to the mount options in fstab
[08:43] <abdeel> abdeel@abdeel-eebraheem:~$ mount | grep "/" | cut -d" " -f1
[08:43] <abdeel> sysfs
[08:43] <abdeel> proc
[08:43] <abdeel> udev
[08:43] <abdeel> devpts
[08:43] <abdeel> tmpfs
[08:45] <abdeel> /var/lib/snapd/snaps/gnome-3-28-1804_23.snap
[08:45] <abdeel> /var/lib/snapd/snaps/gnome-3-26-1604_74.snap
[08:45] <abdeel> /var/lib/snapd/snaps/gnome-calculator_352.snap
[08:45] <abdeel> /var/lib/snapd/snaps/gnome-logs_57.snap
[08:45] <abdeel> /var/lib/snapd/snaps/gtk-common-themes_1122.snap
[08:45] <abdeel> /var/lib/snapd/snaps/core18_782.snap
[08:45] <TimeDoctor> uhoh
[08:45] <lupulo> abdeel, not that  mount | grep "/ " | cut -d" " -f1
[08:45] <lupulo> that
[08:45] <TimeDoctor> abdeel: pastebin.com
[08:45] <TimeDoctor> https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[08:45] <TimeDoctor> or that
[08:46] <interrobangd> ducasse, like this? UUID=bc31f0ab-dfbd-4c35-9c60-70776aeb0242 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro,subvol=@ 0       1
[08:47] <interrobangd> .. sorry for the whitespaces ...:/
[08:47] <ducasse> that looks good, now grub just needs to match
[08:47] <interrobangd> i will try it now! thank you!!!!!!!!!
[08:48] <ducasse> grub also needs to point to the subvol, iirc
[08:50] <ducasse> interrobangd: you need "set prefix=($root)'/@/boot/grub'"
[08:50] <abdeel> I have done that on pastebin @ lupulo
[08:50] <ducasse> interrobangd: that @ sign is important
[08:50] <lupulo> abdeel, paste the link of pastbin
[08:50] <interrobangd> ducasse, where to add this?
[08:51] <ducasse> interrobangd: if you hang on a minute, i'm trying to get our resident grub expert to pitch in, he just arrived
[08:52] <ducasse> the config file is /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg, but i'm not sure if you should edit that directly
[08:53] <interrobangd> .. who has created the subvol? i have just formated btrfs and copies all the files from ext4 to btrfs
[08:53] <ducasse> that happens when you create the volume (format it)
[08:54] <interrobangd> so /boot is always a subvol? ... sry the question ... i am new to btrfs :D
[08:54] <ducasse> no, @ is
[08:54] <ducasse> it's the 'root' subvol
[08:56] <liu> hi :)
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> welcome liu
[08:58] <interrobangd> ducasse, i have to change /etc/default/grub instead of  /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg. But on ext4 or btrfs partition? i ask because actually i am running linux on ext4
[08:58] <ducasse> interrobangd: no, these changes are not made in /etc/default/grub
[08:58] <abdeel> lupulo: https://pastebin.com/zUc8sazk
[08:59] <interrobangd> but i runt update-grub, this file will be used
[08:59] <ducasse> yes, but these values are not saved there. i'm not sure what to edit, that's why i want EriC^^ to chip in
[09:00] <lupulo> abdeel, fdisk -l /dev/sda | grep "Linux filesystem"  | awk '{print $1}' | grep -v `mount | grep "/ " | cut -d" " -f1`
[09:00] <lupulo> abdeel, you should mount that partition
[09:04] <lupulo> abdeel, the space means a char
[09:08] <interrobangd> ducasse, boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg exists only on my ext4 partition, but not on the btrfs volume. i am confused, i've think i have copy it \o/
[09:08] <interrobangd> .. i will try a reboot and will see what happend
[09:09] <ducasse> interrobangd: it's on your efi partition
[09:10] <interrobangd> .. ok
[09:10] <ducasse> mounted at /boot/efi
[09:10] <lupulo> interrobangd, you could see refit project to one usb o to the efi partition http://refit.sourceforge.net/
[09:11] <interrobangd> lupulo, nice to know
[09:12] <ducasse> refind has replaced refit, and is in the repos
[09:12] <lupulo> uefi permits differents options, some bios you could write directly the path
[09:14] <interrobangd> ducasse, i did already "update-grub", but /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg dont changed ... so i have to do it by myself, like fstab?: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NKs6XdPFp2/
[09:16] <ducasse> interrobangd: i suspect you need to edit another grub config file, but i'm unsure which one
[09:16] <lupulo> interrobangd, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[09:16] <lupulo> interrobangd, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[09:20] <ducasse> we usually don't recommend boot-repair, it often causes more problems than it fixes
[09:21] <Beauloup> bonjour a tous
[09:21] <interrobangd> ... ok.. but i will reboot to see what changed after edit fstab on btrfs partition and update-grub :-)
[09:22] <Beauloup> anyone know if a channel ubuntu in french exist ?
[09:23] <ducasse> interrobangd: EriC^^ will help you now
[09:23] <ducasse> !fr | Beauloup
[09:24] <interrobangd> ducasse, ok!? cool! i will wait :)
[09:24] <Beauloup> super, merci, thanks a lot
[09:25] <abdeel> lupulo: abdeel@abdeel-eebraheem:~$ fdisk -l /dev/sda | grep "Linux filesystem"  | awk '{print $1}' | grep -v `mount | grep "/ " | cut -d" " -f1
[09:25] <abdeel> >
[09:26] <testios> zinzan1326
[09:26] <abdeel> I got no output
[09:36] <EriC^^> interrobangd: hi i dont know much about btrfs, i'll try to help as much as possible though.. so you're system was using ext4 and you switched to btrfs? are you using a separate /boot or it's part of the btrfs?
[09:38] <interrobangd> EriC^^, Hello! i am also new to btrfs :-) /boot is on separate EFI partition (/dev/sda1 on /boot/efi type vfat)
[09:39] <interrobangd> and what i did is to create a second partition (btrfs) and copy all my files to it. then i run update-grub
[09:40] <interrobangd> .. but after copying i dont changed /etc/fstab on btrfs partition or something else ... so grub start always from old FS
[09:42] <interrobangd> EriC^^, the question is, should i have to edit something like /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg to boot from btrfs partition?
[09:42] <EriC^^> interrobangd: aha, /boot is different than /boot/efi, can you paste "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" ?
[09:43] <EriC^^> as well as "cat /etc/ftstab | nc termbin.com 9999" of the new system you're trying to boot?
[09:43] <interrobangd> EriC^^, Cool! nc <3
[09:44] <EriC^^> */etc/fstab
[09:45] <interrobangd> https://termbin.com/et3h
[09:45] <sazawal> Hi all. I don't know what I have done but the plymouth theme preview has stopped working on my system. It always shows text-ubuntu theme, although the set theme is different. It was working some days ago.
[09:46] <EriC^^> interrobangd: thanks also "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[09:47] <interrobangd> no problem! :-)
[09:48] <EriC^^> interrobangd: that fstab is from the mounted btrfs filesystem? or the current running ext4 one?
[09:48] <interrobangd> on running ext4
[09:49] <interrobangd> because btrfs wont start
[09:49] <EriC^^> interrobangd: oh, have you mounted it at til now? (the filesystem)
[09:50] <interrobangd> the btrfs volume? no.... but a few minutes ago to edit /etc/fstab
[09:50] <interrobangd> you want to see it? ... wait...
[09:51] <EriC^^> interrobangd: yeah, mount it under /mnt sudo mount -t btrfs subvol=@ /dev/sdxY /mnt
[09:51] <ducasse> -o subvol=@
[09:51] <BadwolfWay> >>> Question (random), Can you suggest a channel or server/channel where im likley to find Hardware experts (cpus, amd)
[09:52] <zette> Any cn help me? I cnt access my account ssh
[09:52] <ducasse> BadwolfWay: ##hardware
[09:53] <BadwolfWay> zette, what command or software are you using
[09:53] <EriC^^> interrobangd: ^ also add -o before subvol=@
[09:53] <zette> ssh
[09:54] <BadwolfWay> zette just shell: ssh user@host ?
[09:55] <interrobangd> EriC^^, can not mount, mount will fail with -o "subvol=@"
[09:55] <lupulo> abdeel,  fdisk -l /dev/sd* | grep "Linux filesystem"  | awk '{print $1}' | grep -v `mount | grep "/ " | cut -d" " -f1
[09:55] <zette> "could not chdir to directory"
[09:55] <interrobangd> EriC^^, sudo mount -t btrfs -o "subvol=@" /dev/sda4 /home/paul/foo
[09:55] <BadwolfWay> zette is this a chroot on android?
[09:56] <interrobangd> mounting without options work
[09:56] <EriC^^> interrobangd: ok still waiting on that parted paste :)
[09:57] <zette> Then how?
[09:59] <interrobangd> EriC^^, excuse me, what should i past? i can not mount with "option subvol"
[09:59] <interrobangd> *paste
[10:00] <EriC^^> interrobangd: "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:00] <interrobangd> sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:00] <interrobangd> sry :D
[10:01] <interrobangd> https://termbin.com/bh0a
[10:02] <interrobangd> i can mount /dev/sda4 (btrfs) without options ... mount -l: /dev/sda4 on /home/paul/foo type btrfs (rw,relatime,ssd,space_cache,subvolid=5,subvol=/)
[10:05] <EriC^^> interrobangd: alright great, type "cat /home/paul/foo/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:06] <interrobangd> EriC^^, remember, i have already edit this file https://termbin.com/wyrx
[10:07] <EriC^^> what do you mean? it's not edited right now
[10:07] <justAddCoffee> hi all-was just trying to use startup disk creator on disco dingo (fedora &  majaro iso)
[10:07] <interrobangd> but not tested it
[10:07] <justAddCoffee> no joy is it just cus its not debian based that it wouldnt let me try
[10:07] <interrobangd> EriC^^, ducasse told me to edit this :)
[10:08] <interrobangd> EriC^^, but we are not sure if it works
[10:08] <EriC^^> interrobangd: oh didn't see the last part of it, anyways make it as such
[10:08] <EriC^^> UUID=bc31f0ab-dfbd-4c35-9c60-70776aeb0242 /               btrfs    defaults 0       1
[10:09] <EriC^^> don't leave errors=remount-ro there
[10:09] <justAddCoffee> anyhow i gave up and used etcher which worked-im just wondering if anyone else has had any problems using startupdisk creator on ubuntu 19.10
[10:10] <interrobangd> EriC^^, ok! i've changed it
[10:11] <EriC^^> interrobangd: ok, now type "sudo nano /home/paul/foo/etc/grub.d/00_header"
[10:12] <EriC^^> and add a "#" at the beginning of the line if [ -n ${have_grubenv} ]; then save_env recordfail; fi
[10:20] <Jonopoly> why is it so much of a challenge to get roblox on ubuntu T_T
[10:23] <interrobangd> EriC^^, dont exist https://termbin.com/swuj
[10:25] <interrobangd> but a similar one: if [ -n "\${have_grubenv}" ]; then if [ -z "\${boot_once}" ]; then save_env recordfail; fi; fi
[10:26] <abdeel> lupulo, I have done :  fdisk -l /dev/sd* | grep "Linux filesystem"  | awk '{print $1}' | grep -v `mount | grep "/ " | cut -d" " -f1 but got no output. Still the same
[10:27] <EriC^^> interrobangd: oh it's on the same line?
[10:29] <interrobangd> looks similar, but not the same
[10:29] <interrobangd> https://termbin.com/swuj
[10:32] <interrobangd> should i run "update-grub" now whitout editing the 00_header file?
[10:33] <lupulo> abdeel, are you install another storage drive to your PC?
[10:34] <lupulo> abdeel, fdisk -l | grep "Linux filesystem"  | awk '{print $1}' | grep -v `mount | grep "/ " | cut -d" " -f1
[10:36] <EriC^^> interrobangd: no 1 sec
[10:39] <EriC^^> interrobangd: put a comment before it even though it's slightly different
[10:39] <EriC^^> it's recommended in the ubuntu btrfs wiki and https://askubuntu.com/questions/100329/message-sparse-file-not-allowed-after-installing-on-a-btrfs-filesystem/105178#105178
[10:41] <interrobangd> should i comment it out?
[10:41] <EriC^^> yeah
[10:43] <interrobangd> i've changed it (/home/paul/foo/etc/grub.d/00_header)
[10:43] <interrobangd> now update-grub and restart?
[10:44] <EriC^^> interrobangd: no
[10:44] <interrobangd> ... ok
[10:44] <EriC^^> interrobangd: type "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /home/paul/foo$i; done"
[10:45] <snadge> has anyone else noticed audio clicking when changing volume playing back youtube videos in firefox? (on 19.04)
[10:45] <snadge> it never used to do this.. and twitch doesn't do it.. odd
[10:47] <snadge> chrome doesn't do it either, only firefox
[10:54] <interrobangd> EriC^^, i did it
[10:54] <interrobangd> not update?
[10:54] <interrobangd> *now update?
[10:57] <EriC^^> interrobangd: lol no
[10:57] <EriC^^> interrobangd: we're getting there :)
[10:57] <EriC^^> interrobangd: type 'sudo chroot /home/paul/foo'
[10:57] <interrobangd> but now!
[10:58] <interrobangd>  .... right?
[10:58] <EriC^^> kinda
[10:58] <EriC^^> interrobangd: type 'mount /boot/efi'
[10:59] <interrobangd> EriC^^, i did it
[10:59] <interrobangd> mount ... /dev/sda1 on /boot/efi type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0077,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)
[11:00] <EriC^^> interrobangd: type 'grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi'
[11:00] <interrobangd> done without errors
[11:02] <EriC^^> interrobangd: now! *drum roll* type 'update-grub'
[11:03] <interrobangd> ... done
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:09] <EriC^^> interrobangd: ok, type "cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:09] <EriC^^> interrobangd: also, type "efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:15] <JimBuntu> interrobangd, since I know EriC^^ had to take care of something and might not be back... interrobangd , please copy/paste the output URL from running those termbin commands so EriC^^ can review them upon return
[11:16] <EriC^^> i'm back interrobangd
[11:18] <interrobangd> EriC^^, i am not rebootet and also on chroot
[11:20] <interrobangd> boot options -> https://termbin.com/vdaa
[11:20] <interrobangd> and /boot/grub/grub.cfg -> https://termbin.com/nlyp
[11:24] <EriC^^> interrobangd: hmm i dont see any specific btrfs related stuff in the entries for the main linux one
[11:25] <EriC^^> interrobangd: ah actually there is a insmod btrfs there
[11:26] <EriC^^> i guess we'll see if grub added it correctly, first let's just take a peak at the efi related grub.cfg
[11:26] <EriC^^> interrobangd: type "cat /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:27] <interrobangd> https://termbin.com/j4c6
[11:28] <dragan> hello
[11:31] <EriC^^> interrobangd: ok, type "exit" then reboot let's just see if it's able to boot without any tinkering first
[11:31] <EriC^^> interrobangd: i think though that right now it would kinda be confused
[11:31] <EriC^^> cause you have 2 fs with the same UUID, can you delete the ext4 one before proceeding?
[11:32] <EriC^^> interrobangd: or at least just change the uuid using tune2fs
[11:33] <EriC^^> interrobangd: sudo tune2fs /dev/sda2 -U random
[11:37] <stevenm> hey I might be going mad, i've been doing ppp connections using the normal network manager connection editor and applet (the normal UI you get with unity/gnome/mate - basically GTK environments)--- where i swear you used to *start* the ppp connection from the nm-applet by just clicking it
[11:37] <stevenm> but it never shows up
[11:37] <stevenm> but i've done this loads in previous years - feel like either something has changed or I've had my memory wiped
[11:37] <stevenm> anyone got a pic of how a PPP connection should show up in their nm-applet ?
[11:40] <stevenm> ah there should be a side menu called 'Dial Up Connections' - that's what is missing!
[11:44] <stevenm> i wonder if it's because i'm using nm-applet as an indicator rather than in the notification area
[11:44] <stevenm> nm-applet has always been one of the worse written bits of the UI
[11:44] <stevenm> *worst
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> stevenm: please dont use this channel to describe every step you try, focus on one question, all-in-one-line
[11:45] <ryuo> didn't you know? this is #stevenmsblog now. \o/
[11:46] <stevenm> that's really helpful - well done there to you both
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> stevenm: you also didnt mention an ubuntu version, kernel version,..
[11:48] <stevenm> keep justifying yourself, you'll get there
[11:48] <groke> this can only be resolved in one way....
[11:48] <groke> MORTAL KOMBAT!!
[11:52] <sazawal> Hi all. I am using "sudo plymouthd ; sudo plymouth --show-splash ; for ((I=0; I<10; I++)); do sleep 1 ; sudo plymouth --update=test$I ; done ; sudo plymouth --quit" command to preview the plymouth theme. But it always previews me the ubuntu-text theme, irrespective of the current applied theme. It used to work before but not anymore. Any help?
[11:57] <BluesKaj> another satisfied customer :-)
[12:25] <Jonopoly> me too
[12:25] <interrobangd> EriC^^, i will reboot now :)
[12:30] <interrobangd> EriC^^, done! works!
[12:30] <EriC^^> interrobangd: great!
[12:31] <interrobangd> .. now i can remove ext4 partition, move btrfs partition to his place, expand and update-grub again?
[12:32] <EriC^^> i'd guess so, im not familiar with btrfs resizing stuff, but update-grub wont be needed, nothing depends on its physical location on the disk
[12:32] <EriC^^> interrobangd: actually yeah run update-grub again
[12:33] <interrobangd> thank you very much!
[12:33] <interrobangd> .. now can play with snapshots :D
[12:33] <EriC^^> interrobangd: you're welcome
[12:33] <EriC^^> have fun :D
[12:34] <interrobangd> ... are you grub developer?
[12:34] <EriC^^> interrobangd: one note, if you do run update-grub or need it, do it from a chroot as we did earlier
[12:34] <EriC^^> no i just have some experience with grub stuff
[12:35] <interrobangd> ok, .. i will do it like before
[13:02] <fxrs_> hey, im trying to install ubuntu 18.04.2 but im repeatedly get the following problem booting from usb:
[13:02] <fxrs_> (initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> fxrs_: how did you create your usb?
[13:03] <fxrs_> is there a way around this using uefi?
[13:03] <fxrs_> lotuspsychje, with dd if.. of.. bs=1M && sync
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> fxrs_: are you going to singleboot or dualboot?
[13:04] <fxrs_> dualboot
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | fxrs_
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | fxrs_
[13:06] <fxrs_> lotuspsychje, will check that out now. would it be easier to just try without uefi? would you recommend using uefi?
[13:06] <fxrs_> never worried about that before and opensuse always ran great with uefi.
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> fxrs_: personally i dont do dualboots, i always use full disk for lts
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> fxrs_: read the wiki's, and if somethings not clear re-ask in the channel, volunteers will help think along with you
[13:08] <fxrs_> lotuspsychje, thanks.
[13:14] <guardian> why are there docker and docker.io packages? is this for upgrade paths?
[13:14] <guiverc2> fxrs_, fyi: ubuntu has a check-media option; I'd use this to test your 18.04.2 media first (assuming you verified download step via md5sum etc)
[13:17] <pragmaticenigma> guardian: they are two completely different applications
[13:17] <pragmaticenigma> !info docker | guardian
[13:17] <pragmaticenigma> !info docker.io | guardian
[13:18] <fxrs_> guiverc2, i get the same error when i check the medium for defects.
[13:19] <guiverc2> in which case I'd suspect your download (did you verify it before write), or the write to media, or thumb-drive/dvd itself - ie. it's probably not the install, but one of the prior steps that failed (in my opinion)
[13:19] <drumhz> good afternoon to all
[13:20] <drumhz> can plz somebody hlp me ?
[13:20] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | drumhz
[13:20] <guardian> oh ok and docker.io is Docker but a not up to date one
[13:21] <drumhz> ok thank i'm sorry
[13:21] <guardian> I mean I see nobody telling "install the ubuntu package"
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | guardian
[13:21] <guardian> so I'm wondering what's the point of that package
[13:21] <guardian> pragmaticenigma: yeah you're nitpicking on "latest" I think
[13:22] <guardian> pragmaticenigma: but I appreciate you're caring and answering me <3
[13:22] <drumhz> ok i had install ubuntu 19.04 on my laptop at the begin everything is ok , but know sometimes when i restart my laptop ubuntu stuck in loading firse page that one with the five circles what i can do ?
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> guardian: you did not mention your ubuntu version yet, wich docker version are you using?
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> guardian: I am not nitpicking anything. that is the philosophy of Ubuntu. We are volunteers here and have no authority on the design decisions of Ubuntu.
[13:23] <guiverc2> drumhz, i'm unlikely to be able to help you, but I'd <e> (edit your grub entry) and remove 'quiet splash' from your 'linux' kernel line, so you can see messages and hopefully get a clue as to problem and hopefully where to look..
[13:23] <guardian> sorry, 18.04
[13:24] <drumhz> ok i'll check it thank for hlp i will back here good bye
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> guardian: there is also a docker snap if you want/like
[13:26] <guardian> is snap widely used?
[13:27] <guardian> so far it has frustrated me, because it modifies many files in /etc, while I'm used to version it with etckeeper on other distros
[13:27] <fxrs_> guiverc2, sha256 for the iso is correct. checking via usb boot fails.
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> guardian: its the users choice really, in some cases a snap might result as solution to a higher version, or other purposes
[13:27] <fxrs_> im considering installing in legacy mode and trying to change to uefi once its installed.
[13:28] <guiverc2> fxrs_, i'd be suspicious of your write then (or thumb-drive), try writing again, or another thumb-drive..
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> fxrs_: its not reccomended to change uefi settings 'after' an install
[13:29] <fxrs_> guiverc2, ok. will try other usb and not legacy for now, lotuspsychje.
[13:29] <guiverc2> fxrs_, I'd agree with lotuspsychje too; if you do change UEFI settings you can find your first OS will not boot
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> fxrs_: for singleboot i set: fastboot=off secureboot=off maybe you can expirement, see if you can boot your usb?
[13:31] <guiverc2> and fyi fxrs_; in my experience Ubuntu is equal to opensuse with UEFI  (I've found Ubuntu slightly easier myself; but very subjective)
[13:31] <fxrs_> does it matter if dualboot is from different ssds? im switching to nvme and going to reinstall the ssd later anyway (with either tumbleweed or windows).
[13:32] <fxrs_> im suprised to have these problems now. never had them before with different pcs and laptops.
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> fxrs_: its possible to install different Oses on different media and setup uefi in a dualboot yes
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> fxrs_: That would depend on if those machines where equiped with UEFI and how their bios/firmware was configured. Also, if you were running OpenSuSE, OpenSuSE and SuSE OS contain a signed UEFI certificate from Microsoft. Ubuntu does not contain that particular certificate
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> fxrs_: for your nvme you might need advanced partitioning in ubuntu
[13:36] <fxrs_> pragmaticenigma, not sure but i just hope i get the install to boot in uefi before i go more indepth. previously uefi worked well.
[13:41] <fxrs_> i got two boot options for uefi. for this alternative usb '3276' or '3276, Partition 2' (including partition sizes, which are on this usb equal). does it matter which one i chose?
[13:42] <fxrs_> .. with 'UEFI: ' prepended. third option (without uefi, so legacy) is just '3276', which i want to avoid.
[13:47] <fxrs_> ok, 2nd usb cheked the 'disc' successfully. and i thought the previous usb was the fast and 'good' one.
[14:04] <tuxi> hello anyone same problems with flash in 18.10 and 19.04?
[14:06] <OerHeks> tuxi, what problem with flash exactly?
[14:09] <femtogram> so i want to cross compile some packages for arm64 from my amd64 system, so i added the http://ports.ubuntu.com repos, used sudo dpkg --add-architecture arm64, and ran sudo apt update. a good chunk of my dependencies install, but some of them, such as libopenmpi1.10 doesn't want to install in parallel. what can i do about this? this is on ubuntu 16.04 xenial.
[14:10] <femtogram> partly i wonder if just using a newer version of ubuntu would work better because multiarch support was still fairly new at the time.
[14:11] <tuxi> 0erHeks its not working with a flash game, its stuck
[14:11] <tuxi> i had 19.04 upgradet and then the problem happend
[14:11] <tuxi> as i downgradet to 18.10 its still there :-( i can't play flash games
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> !arm | femtogram
[14:12] <femtogram> lotuspsychje: okay, wrong channel?
[14:12] <femtogram> thanks
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> welcome femtogram ; )
[14:12] <femtogram> i will ask over there.
[14:26] <drake> hi
[14:26] <drake> I have a problem when resume my laptop, my screen get freezed with random colors.
[14:26] <lordcirth__> drake, what Ubuntu version? What graphics card? What graphics driver?
[14:27] <drake> I think the problem is the same as here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=241747
[14:27] <drake> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS,
[14:27] <drake> Graphics:  Card-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Wani [Radeon R5/R6/R7 Graphics] bus-ID: 00:01.0
[14:27] <drake>            Card-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330 / M430 / R7 M520]
[14:28] <drake> bus-ID: 03:00.0
[14:28] <drake>            Display Server: X.Org 1.19.6 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa,amdgpu)
[14:28] <drake>            Resolution: 1366x768@60.00hz
[14:28] <drake>            OpenGL: renderer: AMD CARRIZO (DRM 3.23.0, 4.15.0-47-generic, LLVM 7.0.0)
[14:28] <drake>            version: 4.5 Mesa 18.2.8 Direct Render: Yes
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> !paste | drake
[14:29] <drake> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nnZ3PRsr64/
[14:30] <drake> sorry, years I have use IRC
[14:30] <drake> sorry, years I have not using IRC
[14:31] <lordcirth__> drake, ok, so did you try amdgpu.gpu_recovery?
[14:31] <drake> what is it
[14:31] <drake> a script?
[14:31] <drake> or a kernel option]?
[14:34] <drake> lordcirth?
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> !patience | drake
[14:37] <ioria> drake, does this happen if you suspend manually ?
[14:39] <drake> only happens when the suspension spends more than one hour
[14:39] <drake> if the time of suspension is shorts it does not happen
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> ioria drake i noticed new bug from today similar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1827031
[14:40] <drake> when the suspension is manually it happens too
[14:40] <ioria> drake, well, not easy to test the; if it happens again  run   Alt+f2 ; enter 'r' and Enter  (restart gnome-shell)
[14:42] <OerHeks> tuxi, still no info what where, what ubuntu version and so on..
[14:43]  * OerHeks wonders why there is no such info
[14:44] <amitkm9204> Hi
[14:44] <amitkm9204> Can anyone telll me the use of ndtrack?
[14:45] <amitkm9204> As i am getting high cpu utilisation in my server
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> amitkm9204: please join #ubuntu-server for likeminded support
[14:54] <tuxi> 0erHeks i have ubuntu 18.10 right now
[14:54] <tuxi> and a APU Ryzen3 2200G no separate video card
[14:55] <tuxi> but i read in the ubuntu forum its might be a java script issue - while the flash is not working
[14:56] <OerHeks> tuxi, what browser, and what game? url?
[14:57] <vyzen> did my message send
[14:57] <tuxi> google chrome  vers. 74.0.3729.108
[14:58] <tuxi> farmville 2 see https://zyngagames.com/
[15:00] <rory> exec 3> /dev/tcp/example.com/1234
[15:01] <drake> hi again
[15:01] <rory> This appears in a script I'm modifying, it seems to be checking if the machine is connected to that domain on that port, is that correct? How does it work?
[15:01] <rory> is it better replaced by: nc -vz example.com 1234
[15:01] <drake> ioria I tried to suspend manually but after resumed It hanged up
[15:02] <drake> no response of keyboard
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> drake: did you have this on an LTS version?
[15:03] <drake> is LTS and I'm using xcfe
[15:03] <drake> please explain me how to set the gpu parameter
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> drake: is your system up to date please?
[15:03] <drake> yes lotus
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> check uname -a please drake
[15:04] <drake> Linux pollux 4.15.0-47-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Wed Mar 13 10:44:52 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> kernel -48 is out drake, update your system first please
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | drake
[15:05] <OerHeks> with such hardware, i would install HWE
[15:05] <OerHeks> !hwe
[15:05] <OerHeks> but suspend is a headache, on many systems
[15:06] <drake> I'm going to do that
[15:06] <drake> lotus
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> drake: if it doesnt fix, try what OerHeks adviced too
[15:07] <metabsd> Hi, There a way to skip broken if I want to upgrade/install specific packages ? Thx!
[15:07] <drake> sure!
[15:07] <metabsd> via apt
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> metabsd: can you pastebin whats happening please?
[15:09] <OerHeks> normally you would read in the error 'apt install -f"...
[15:09] <metabsd> http://dpaste.com/0K0T9NG
[15:09] <metabsd> I also try with -f
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> metabsd: do you have external ppa's installed?
[15:10] <lordcirth__> metabsd, if -f doesn't work, recurse on the specified packages until apt tells you why.
[15:10] <OerHeks> update properly before installing stuff
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> metabsd: can you pastebin your sources.list ?
[15:34] <hggdh> metabsd: first off, 'apt-get --only-upgrades install <whatever>' will NOT install *anything* -- you just requested apt-get to ONLY upgrade
[15:34] <hggdh> metabsd: secondly, it seems your install of ROCm failed, and left apt in a confused state
[15:35] <TFaulkner> are you running the command as sudo
[15:35] <TFaulkner> sudo apt-get --only-upgrades install <whatever>
[15:36] <hggdh> TFaulkner: yes, it was run under sudo, but will NOT work. See 'man apt-get'
[15:36] <metabsd> yep
[15:49] <netriber> Hello, smartctl -a /dev/nvme0 returns this information https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZSmGR3Jwg6/ . Should I be worried?
[15:51] <tomreyn> netriber: is your nvme in smartdb?
[15:52] <tomreyn> it should say on top
[15:53] <tomreyn> i mean on the very top of smartctl -x
[15:54] <tomreyn> grep '^Device is:'
[15:55] <tomreyn> alternatively:   sudo smartctl -P show /dev/nvme0
[16:06] <netriber> tomreyn,  NVMe device successfully opened
[16:07] <netriber> just used sudo smartctl -Hc /dev/nvme0 , and got that it passed
[16:10] <tomreyn> netriber: okay, but that's not what i meant
[16:10] <tomreyn> nor the options i suggested
[16:10] <tomreyn> "NVMe device successfully opened"  != "In smartctl database"
[16:13] <felco> Hello guys.. I have a issue with 18.04 using two monitors, whenever I lock the screen, when I come back and wake the screens only one come back with video, the other is inactive. Then I need to go to the Devices -> Display and select "Join Display" again, anyone knows what is going here?
[16:13] <felco> Also, I have 18.04 at home, but I have a nvidia there, and this issue doesn't happen at all
[16:14] <tomreyn> felco: i won't be able to help, but discuss which graphics hardware you have on the system where you'Re trying to solve the issue and  how the monitors are connected (connector/cable type)
[16:15] <tomreyn> also post    xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999   with both displays active.
[16:15] <felco> The problematic machine is using the onboard Intel Graphics, it is the adapter from the i3-8100(I don't quite remember which)
[16:16] <netriber> tomreyn, grep for Device is doesn't return anything. smartctl -P show returns device successfully opened
[16:16] <felco> https://termbin.com/go8q
[16:16] <tomreyn> netriber: that's "sudo smartctl -P show /dev/nvme0" ?
[16:17] <netriber> tomreyn,  sudo smartctl -P show /dev/nvme0 . yes
[16:17] <chedadys> llo
[16:18] <vyzen> how do you use chmod to change the permissions for only a group and not a user?
[16:18] <tomreyn> netriber: okay, so it's not in the smartmontools drive database, which i'd say supports the conclusion that smartctl is not able to fully / properly interpret the Error Information you posted initially.
[16:19] <tomreyn> netriber: and those records really look like there is no error.
[16:19] <legreffier> vyzen: chmod g+rw file , or chmod g-x file
[16:19] <vyzen> that isn't specifying a certain group
[16:20] <vyzen> i am being asked to give one group full permissions, and another only read permissions
[16:20] <netriber> tomreyn, ok , thank you . But how do you know it means that there are no errors?
[16:22] <felco> vyzen you can assign the directory/file to a group with chown and then give that group rw permission and read only to any other
[16:23] <tomreyn> netriber: i actually should not have said so. i am just guessing, all records look the same, so this may be just the result of smartctl's inability to interpret it correctly. it does not actually mean that there were no errors logged.
[16:23] <tomreyn> netriber: which ubuntu version is this?
[16:25] <felco> vyzen that would be chmod 664 for files and 775 for directories
[16:26] <tomreyn> netriber: you could try using the nvme-cli package to access the nvme-error-log https://www.mankier.com/1/nvme-error-log
[16:27] <tomreyn> there is also https://www.mankier.com/1/nvme-smart-log
[16:46] <vyzen> the way i am giving group permissions seems to only work for one group
[16:47] <vyzen> how do i give one group full permissions and another read permission
[16:47] <EriC^^> vyzen: you could use an acl
[16:48] <vyzen> a file can only be owned by one group
[16:48] <vyzen> then you can only set permissions for that one group
[16:49] <vyzen> but i am being asked to set permissions on one directory for two groups
[16:49] <vyzen> i looked it up and apparently you can't do this
[16:49] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissionsACLs
[16:54] <Exterminador> erm.. I think I had this problem once and I had to delete something somewhere.. every time I login, I get a dialog saying: System program problem detected
[16:54] <Exterminador> no matter if I hit Report problem or Cancel, if I logout and login again, it appears
[17:00] <Exterminador> I found the issue.. is something related to geoip-database-contrib package
[17:02] <vyzen> so i've given a directory read access to others
[17:03] <vyzen> and this somehow locks me out of it
[17:03] <vyzen> i don't understand
[17:04] <vyzen> drwxrwxr-- 2 NCIS Cyber 4096 Apr 30 11:52 Documentation
[17:04] <vyzen> the user i'm trying to use to get into this directory is part of the cyber group
[17:05] <lordcirth__> vyzen, and you are not?
[17:05] <lordcirth__> vyzen, in order to descend a directory, you need +x
[17:06] <soulisson> Hello
[17:11] <lordcirth__> soulisson, hi
[17:16] <kazdax> should i get the LTS version of ubuntu or the newer one ?
[17:17] <OerHeks> if you need to ask, go LTS, unless you have a reason to want a newer version
[17:18] <kazdax> is driver support on the newer one better
[17:18] <kazdax> i mean are there more drivers for the newer one ?
[17:19] <kazdax> i dont know if this laptop will take ubuntu without problems
[17:19] <fellipe> hi, do anyone knows if is there google drive client that supports incremental(diff) sync? I've started to use rclone, but it does not support this operation
[17:20] <kazdax> was that a stupid question ?
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> kazdax: to try out if your hardware works on ubuntu, try a liveusb first
[17:21] <OerHeks> kazdax, there are some improvements in the non lts version, but you can try the live iso
[17:21] <kazdax> problem is i dont have a usb
[17:21] <kazdax> to spare
[17:21] <kazdax> okay live boot also works on DVDs ?
[17:21] <OerHeks> buy one, or use a dvd-r
[17:21] <kazdax> okay ..ill do the DVD then ..
[17:22] <entourage> what is the best app for creating a bootable usbstick from an ISO in Ubuntu?
[17:22] <OerHeks> entourage, you have been answered in ##linux before.. dd, usbcreator, or WOEusb for windows iso's
[17:23] <OerHeks> there is no single best :-)
[17:23] <kazdax> i like dd
[17:23] <kazdax> dd is simple and fast
[17:24] <entourage> OerHeks, I wish you wouldn't "help" me :<
[17:24] <kazdax> lol
[17:25] <OerHeks> go to the next channel and ask again :-D
[17:25] <entourage> no cuz you'll be there waiting for me
[17:26] <Exterminador> Rufus on Windows ain't bad either (to create bootable USB sticks)
[17:27] <kazdax> Rufus is only for USB ?
[17:27] <kazdax> does it make DVDs ?
[17:27] <Exterminador> idk. I've used it for USB but might work with DVD
[17:28] <Exterminador> kazdax: try and give feedback :P
[17:29] <kazdax> time for some kiss and tell
[17:29] <kazdax> i am doing the LTS live DVD first
[17:29] <catbadger> any perl ninjas out there? I installed using apt-get source apache2, but cpan doesn't see the directory. do i need it in my PATH or something?
[17:29] <kazdax> if it runs smooth ..then i dont need the newer version
[17:30] <kazdax> i could do a search about my laptop if it runs well on ubuntu
[17:30] <Exterminador> kazdax: my laptop is able to run Disco Dingo (19.04)
[17:30] <Exterminador> and it's a piece of crap
[17:30] <Exterminador> xD
[17:30] <OerHeks> key is a proper videocard
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[17:31] <kazdax> lotus is one uptight dude
[17:31] <kazdax> you consider the LTS is better ?
[17:32] <OerHeks> catbadger, i think you need to enable sources in updates?
[17:32] <kazdax> okay before i use rufus for making a DVD
[17:32] <kazdax> anything i need to check for
[17:32] <kazdax> BIOS UEFI
[17:32] <OerHeks> get a daily build of 18.04 lts ... saves a lot of updates
[17:33] <OerHeks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/pending/HEADER.html
[17:34] <felco> kazdax you have a misunderstanding about drivers on linux... all drivers live in the Kernel, so most likely that doesn't matter if you use LTS or not
[17:35] <Exterminador> does anyone have any clues on this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/geoip-database-contrib/+bug/1811029
[17:35] <Exterminador> I need this package tho :/
[17:36] <OerHeks> Geoip-database-contrib has already been removed from Debian entirely [2] due to deprecation by upstream, apparently in favor of geoipupdate
[17:36] <OerHeks> see comment #4
[17:36] <OerHeks> !info geoipupdate
[17:39] <Exterminador> I have that one installed yeah.
[17:39] <Exterminador> so, it replaces the geoip-database-contrib one?
[17:43] <catbadger> @OerHeks enable sources in updates?? liek this? sed -i -- 's/#deb-src/deb-src/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sed -i -- 's/# deb-src/deb-src/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:44] <catbadger> yup did that
[17:45] <catbadger> actual wuestion is here if you want to get some updoots https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55926151/cpan-cant-see-apache-src-directory
[17:45] <michagogo> Is precise still supported? I thought LTS was 5 years
[17:46] <lordcirth__> !precise | michagogo
[17:46] <michagogo> But in meta-release and meta-release-lts it says it’s supported
[17:46] <lordcirth__> michagogo, link?
[17:46] <michagogo> https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[17:46] <michagogo> https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts
[17:47] <lordcirth__> michagogo, perhaps it counts ESM?
[17:47] <michagogo> !esm
[17:47]  * michagogo shrugs
[17:48] <michagogo> !trusty
[17:49] <Goop> I actually believe end of support was 30 April.
[17:50] <Goop> 12.04 is definitely forgotten. It is garbage, switch IMMEDIATELY!
[17:50] <michagogo> Yeah, don’t worry, I’m not using it or anything
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> Goop: please dont generalize such statements
[17:51] <michagogo> I just happened to notice it being listed in meta-release as supposed
[17:51] <michagogo> Supported
[17:51] <Goop> lotuspsychje, only idiots...I mean special people... use Ubuntu 12.04 still.
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> Goop: 12.04 and 14.04 continues ESM so there's no need to judge
[17:52] <Goop> lotuspsychje, how many people are actually going back and noticing bugs on an operating system very few people still use?
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> Goop: feel free to continue the discussion at #ubuntu-discuss
[17:52] <AngelKde> lotusp
[17:53] <AngelKde> 12.04 end of the life
[17:55] <Goop> I think we are all on the same page. Yes, you can waste money supporting a dead operating system (12.04), but you should not use it.
[17:58] <lordcirth__> Goop, sometimes life interferes with the best-laid plans.
[18:00] <Goop> lordcirth__, yup. In which case, I would lock down the network access on/from the 14.04 box and be very stingy with what touches it.
[18:12] <rscope> fs3g35yyUY%5
[18:21] <tpw_rules> so i am working on a 16.04 system where /etc/apt was deleted. how do i fix it without reinstalling?
[18:23] <ash_worksi> why does kdiff3 tell me 2 files are binary equal when they have clearly different contents? (as shown using meld)
[18:25] <puhdabear> Test
[18:25] <puhdabear> Test
[18:26] <kadiro> fail
[18:26] <leftyfb> tpw_rules: restore from backup
[18:26] <EriC^^> ash_worksi: can you show any info?
[18:29] <tpw_rules> leftyfb: there is none. it's a system i didn't install and that i can't reinstall cause i don't have the software for it
[18:29] <jcotton> do you have the means to make a live usb?
[18:29] <tpw_rules> uyeaj
[18:29] <tpw_rules> yeah*
[18:30] <jcotton> oh wait
[18:30] <jcotton> you can't reinstlal it
[18:30] <tpw_rules> can i eg copy /etc/apt from a live cd
[18:30] <tpw_rules> dpkg seems to work so i guess i can just be my own package manager
[18:31] <pragmaticenigma> tpw_rules: without apt, it will become very difficult to maintain software updates for that machine. Those updates would be very critical if that instance has any public facing interfaces (i.e. web server, file server, mail, etc)
[18:32] <tpw_rules> yes i am aware of the risks. it's a specialized system that isn't public facing
[18:32] <tpw_rules> i just need to install a couple packages on it
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> tpw_rules: You might be able to transplant the config files from another instance. Optionally, install to a virtual machine, verify the contents of the files in that directory, and then transplant them over.
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> tpw_rules: The only tricky part would be if you had any custom sources in the sources.list.d directory
[18:34] <jcotton> and then set up backups
[18:55] <tricolops> hey everyone
[18:55] <tricolops> yooooooooo
[18:56] <OerHeks> :-)
[19:02] <blurred> test
[19:06] <kazdax> i assume AMD graphic cards are not well supported by ubuntu ?
[19:06] <kazdax> my screen resolution is low
[19:06] <kazdax> i need to find a way to increase it
[19:06] <lordcirth__> kazdax, they should work. What card?
[19:06] <jcotton> you just probably need different drivvrs
[19:06] <kazdax> hodl on ..let me check
[19:07] <kazdax> ya i was thinking i probably needed new drivers
[19:07] <OerHeks> no, you do not need new drivers
[19:07] <OerHeks> what card is it?
[19:08] <OerHeks> newest cards could use amdgpu-pro ..
[19:08] <OerHeks> !amd
[19:10] <kazdax> its running on full resolution of the display
[19:10] <kazdax> i am running it on a satellite c55-b5201
[19:11] <kazdax> i am looking for what sort of graphic card it uses
[19:11] <OerHeks> lspci # would tell
[19:13] <kazdax> it dosnt say
[19:13] <kazdax> just says intel coporation atom processor
[19:13] <kazdax> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display (rev 0e)
[19:13] <stedip> Trying to install a program in Lubuntu, but i have a dependecies problem. The program wants libapache2-mod-php, php-cgi and php. but insinaptic i have libapache2-mod-php5, php5-cgi and php5. I thought this would do, but no it doesn't work (i can't install the program, dependencies not satisfied). HELP PLEASE
[19:14] <ioria> stedip, libapache2-mod-php5  is for trusty 14.04
[19:14] <kazdax> its odd that no one mentions what the graphic card is
[19:15] <ioria> kazdax, are you sure you have an ati /amd card ?
[19:15] <stedip> ioria: yes that's my version of lubuntu
[19:15] <OerHeks> kazdax, that is your gpu indeed, but not a racemonster
[19:15] <kazdax> Mobile Intel® HD graphics with shared graphics memory
[19:16] <kazdax> okay i guess i dont have an AMD card
[19:16] <kazdax> its an intel
[19:16] <kazdax> its a really old and cheap laptop
[19:16] <OerHeks> here is a post with a xorg conf, that disables acceleration ( all done by cpu after that)
[19:16] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/q/940998
[19:16] <ioria> stedip, then 1) you are  end of life  2) libapache2-mod-php is not available on 14.04
[19:17] <kazdax> i need it for studying ..so i installed ubuntu on it
[19:17] <stedip> ioria: you mean there is no solution?
[19:17] <ioria> stedip, sure, upgrade to 16.04 or 18.04
[19:17] <kazdax> are intel graphic cards supported well by ubuntu ?
[19:17] <stedip> ioria: with 14.04 there is no swolution?
[19:18] <ioria> stedip, not a safe one and btw .... useless
[19:18] <stedip> ioria: why?
[19:18] <kazdax> nevermind
[19:18] <OerHeks> stedip, php is now on version 7
[19:18] <ioria> stedip, becasue you need to upgrade anyways
[19:19] <kazdax> this crappy hardware only supports that resolution its on right now
[19:19] <OerHeks> so what old guide do you follow?
[19:19] <stedip> from my understanding i only need to upgrade if i want thecomputer connected to the internet, isn't it so?
[19:20] <ioria> stedip, so you don't want to be connected ?
[19:20] <stedip> if i am disconnected, end of life doesn't matter i think...
[19:20] <stedip> i'll be connected with anothercomputer
[19:20] <OerHeks> stedip, true, and trusty support will end today
[19:20] <OerHeks> !trusty
[19:21] <OerHeks> oh, is already dead
[19:21] <ioria> stedip, ok, what pkg/app is   giving you problem ?
[19:21] <stedip> OerHeks: so you can still help me solve my issue until midnight, right? :)
[19:21] <OerHeks> stedip, no
[19:22] <stedip> why?
[19:22] <ioria> stedip, clearly it's a not supported 14.04 pkg ...
[19:22] <OerHeks> stedip, i don't care about EOL versions, i could help to upgrade.
[19:22] <stedip> but technically it's still alive until midnight, isn't it?
[19:23] <stedip> then i won't connect it to the internet, so why upgrade?
[19:23] <OerHeks> End-of-life was April 25th, 2019 ..
[19:23] <ioria> stedip, yes, but you 're installing something that it's not 'stock'... and we're asking what that is
[19:24] <OerHeks> update servers will soon be gone, just 1 available, see the !eolupgrade factoid
[19:24] <stedip> ioria: you want to know the program you mean?
[19:24] <ioria> stedip, yes
[19:25] <stedip> hotldruid (the latest version, downloaded from the website)
[19:26] <kazdax> for virtual machines
[19:26] <kazdax> do i just download virt-manager ?
[19:26] <lordcirth__> kazdax, or Virtualbox, but yes
[19:26] <kazdax> cool
[19:26] <stedip> OerHeks: oh i thought it was April 30 (i think that's what it says in wikipdia)
[19:26] <kazdax> i like virt-manager
[19:26] <kazdax> Virtual box is cool too
[19:26] <kazdax> apparenlty this ISO wont run in vmware
[19:26] <stedip> ioria: do you want the link?
[19:27] <kazdax> only in virt-manager and virtualbox
[19:27] <stedip> ioria: it's the deb package
[19:28] <stedip> ioria: are you still there?
[19:29] <ioria> stedip, what version do you need exactly ?  2.3.2 ?
[19:30] <stedip> yes, that's the last one, right...
[19:30] <ioria> stedip, no way, ry  you can upgarde to 19.04 and test 2.3.0-2
[19:31] <ioria> stedip, no way, sy  you can upgrade to 19.04 and test 2.3.0-2
[19:31] <stedip> ioria: you mean there is no way?
[19:32] <stedip> ioria: ry/sy ?
[19:32] <ioria> stedip, nope....2.3.2 has been released on 27 feb 2019
[19:33] <stedip> ioria: but i can download the package from the website
[19:33] <ioria> stedip, and what ?
[19:33] <[itchyjunk]> Hi, i am planning on installing latex on ububtu and just wanted to touble check if `sudo apt-get install texlive-full` is the best way. I am looking at this tutorial : https://dzone.com/articles/installing-latex-ubuntu
[19:34] <stedip> ioria: and then i install it... (with your help :)
[19:34] <ioria> stedip, nope
[19:34] <stedip> ioria: is it not possible?
[19:35] <OerHeks> itchy very old manual
[19:35] <ioria> stedip, all is possible, butit will break (for sure) your system
[19:35] <[itchyjunk]> OerHeks, i was afrait of that. OerHeks any recommended tutorial to get started?
[19:35] <ioria> stedip, please, upgrade to a newer release
[19:36] <OerHeks> itchy the latest you get is from git https://www.latex-project.org/get/
[19:36] <stedip> ioria: ok, but can you please help me understand why it is so dangerous?
[19:36] <[itchyjunk]> ah
[19:37] <ioria> stedip, 'cause it will break other packages
[19:38] <stedip> ioria: is it safe to upgrade or should  need to backup everything
[19:39] <stedip> ioria: is it safe to upgrade or should i backup everything first?
[19:39] <ioria> stedip, ok, the latest hoteldruid for ubuntu is 2.3.0-2 ... is good enough for you ?
[19:40] <stedip> ioria: no, i need the last one
[19:40] <OerHeks> if you have no backup of your data, it is not important :-D
[19:40] <ioria> stedip, sorry
[19:40] <ioria> stedip, wait for eoan
[19:41] <ioria> !info hoteldruid eoan
[19:42] <stedip> OerHeks: yeah i guess i should have a backup anyways, you're right :)  - but is there a significant risk that things go bad in an upgrade?
[19:42] <ioria> stedip, you need a fresh install
[19:42] <OerHeks> read the changelogs of 16.04 and 18.04, these are huge
[19:43] <ioria> he's on 14.04
[19:43] <stedip> ioria: i don't understand you mean nobody can yet use that latest version?
[19:43] <stedip> ioria: why fresh install?
[19:43] <OerHeks> ioria, i know, so 16.04 changelog is a good start, when upgrading
[19:43] <ioria> stedip, i said 'wait'
[19:45] <stedip> ioria: yes, so that means NOW nobody can use it... but there has to be a way, doesn't it?
[19:45] <ioria> stedip, fresh install because you cannot upgrade fron 14.04 to 19.04
[19:46] <ioria> stedip, what you mean ?
[19:46] <stedip> ioria: i only want to upgrade to 16.04 and get that (2.3.2) installed, i thought this was possible, isn't it?
[19:46] <OerHeks> 14.04 > 16.04 lts > 18.04 lts > 18.10 > 19.04
[19:46] <ioria> stedip, you can't have 2.3.2 on xenial
[19:46] <OerHeks> !info hoteldruid xenial
[19:47] <ioria> you see ?
[19:47] <stedip> ioria: not from the software center, but by downloading it from the websit
[19:48] <gino> hello
[19:48] <ioria> stedip, why risking ?
[19:48] <gino> fuck you
[19:48] <stedip> i don't understand, you only want us to get stuff from the software center, is that it?
[19:48] <coz_> gino, ???
[19:49] <ioria> stedip, xenial is 2016 , your pkg is for 2019; it's true that libapache2-mod-php is available on xenial  but i cannot garantee it will work
[19:49] <gino> coz zat
[19:49] <coconut> gino: nobody is interested in that here gino
[19:49] <OerHeks> !coc > gino
[19:49] <gino> wtf
[19:49] <OerHeks> gino, stop that language, thanks.
[19:50] <coz_> gino,  so what is the issue with ubuntu?
[19:50] <gino> wai
[19:50] <gino> not goed is schit
[19:50] <ioria> stedip, you will upgrade for .... nothing
[19:50] <stedip> ioria: don't worry, if it won't work i won't hold you responsible, just please tell me what i need to do to TRY
[19:50] <coz_> gino,  no it is not
[19:51] <ioria> stedip, try this; boot a xenial 16.04 livecd and try to install that .deb
[19:51] <coz_> gino, however , if you dont like it it, there are other distributions
[19:52] <stedip> ioria: ok thank you
[19:53] <ioria> ok
[19:53] <stedip> OerHeks: also thank you
[19:53] <OerHeks> stedip, have fun!
[19:54] <stedip> I think this thing of not having the latest versions in the software center is annoying to many of us (not just me)
[19:55] <ioria> stedip, you are 14.04 ... you know that
[19:56] <stedip> It happens too often i think, even when you have a recent version...
[19:56] <OerHeks> Universe - Community-maintained free and open-source software. .. find the testers and maintainers.. we depend on them, as ubuntu
[19:57] <OerHeks> *if* you need the latest, that means you have the latest linux version like 19.04 with kernel 5.x and such
[20:00] <stedip> Just wanted to say that i think it's normal that when you install software you hope to get the best latest one and this seems rarely the case here (even when you have a recent version)
[20:01] <OerHeks> well, linux , not just ubuntu, made a huge change to SystemD, i think that is the real culprit between versions
[20:01] <OerHeks> and an os from 5 years ago, is it really worth it maintaining?
[20:02] <stedip> OerHeks: i'm afraid i'm too beginner to understand that... :)
[20:02] <ducasse> stedip: after an ubuntu release is published it generally does not get newer versions of packages, just bufixes and security fixes
[20:04] <stedip> ducasse: yes, that's the problem i think
[20:05] <ducasse> stedip: it's not a problem, it's a feature
[20:05] <stedip> ducasse: it should get newer versions of packages (i think most of us would prefer that)
[20:06] <lordcirth__> stedip, if you want newer packages, then do-release-upgrade
[20:06] <stedip> especially the ltss
[20:06] <lordcirth__> stedip, the entire point of LTS is that it *doesn't* change
[20:06] <ducasse> stedip: that would defeat the whole idea of lts
[20:06] <stedip> lordcirth__: even so, as said above, the software center will still lead me not to the latest packages (see above)
[20:07] <stedip> ducasse: why?
[20:07] <lordcirth__> stedip, on what Ubuntu version, and what package is out of date.
[20:07] <lordcirth__> ?*
[20:07] <lordcirth__> stedip, LTS means two things: 1) It will keep getting security updates for a long time. 2) It will not randomly change things on you.
[20:09] <OerHeks> !info hoteldruid
[20:09] <lordcirth__> stedip, however, this isn't a support question anymore. Is there a specific package that is not new enough on 19.04 for your needs?
[20:11] <stedip> lts is great, and i am happy they will even be extended to 10 years now. But i wish we could have newer apps in the software center.
[20:11] <JPSman> Hello everyone that I love
[20:11] <jeremy31> stedip: 19.04 only gets 9 months of support
[20:11] <OerHeks> 5 years community, and 5 years paid makes 10 years
[20:11] <lordcirth__> stedip, you can. Update to 19.04. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
[20:12] <OerHeks> * for lts
[20:12] <JPSman> I have a bug I'd like to submit... and I don't know how to
[20:12] <ducasse> stedip: that's where snaps come in
[20:12] <stedip> lordcirth__: yes, the package we were talking about before (2.3.2)
[20:12] <lordcirth__> !bug | JPSman
[20:12] <JPSman> yeah, its not a package though
[20:12] <lordcirth__> JPSman, what is it, then?
[20:13] <JPSman> The link in the software updater points to the wrong URL
[20:13] <stedip> lordcirth__: apparently it's not in the software center (even of 19.04)
[20:13] <jeremy31> stedip: check Synaptic Package Manager
[20:13] <JPSman> I was curious what had to be updated from a fortran compiler from 1995 - and the link in it points to Launchpad, but the link is bad
[20:13] <lordcirth__> stedip, there are many packages that don't show up in the software center, but are in the repos. Use apt.
[20:14] <OerHeks> lordcirth__, he wants the latest on the hoteldruid site
[20:14] <stedip> lordcirth__: yes but it'd be nice if the spftware center brought you to the best/latest package instead of an old one, that's all i was saying
[20:15] <JPSman> the link that Software Updater points to is this: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-defaults/4%3A7.4.0-1ubuntu2.2/+changelog
[20:15] <JPSman> which, of course, doesn't work
[20:16] <adac> geoclue[22399]: (geoclue:22399): Geoclue-WARNING **: Failed to query location: Forbidden
[20:16] <adac> So my redshift gtk app is not starting
[20:16] <adac> this is the error in syslog
[20:16] <madkins> That might happen more now that I have been seeing snaps in the Software Center
[20:17] <lordcirth__> stedip, it is hard enough to maintain a distro without also updating everything constantly. But if they (or you) make a snap or Nix package or something, you could get the latest.
[20:17] <OerHeks> JPSman,  what fortran compiler exactly?
[20:17] <OerHeks> and on what ubuntu version?
[20:18] <JPSman> Changes for gfortran versions:
[20:18] <JPSman> Installed version: 4:7.3.0-3ubuntu2.1
[20:18] <JPSman> Available version: 4:7.4.0-1ubuntu2.2
[20:18] <JPSman> on 18.04
[20:18] <OerHeks> there seems to be an update, maybe it is fixed?
[20:19] <JPSman> OerHeks, the issue is that Software Updater has a link that points to the wrong URL
[20:19] <JPSman> the link that Software Updater points to is this: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-defaults/4%3A7.4.0-1ubuntu2.2/+changelog
[20:19] <JPSman> which is wrong
[20:20] <OerHeks> that version number looks right to me, https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/gfortran
[20:20] <OerHeks> 4:7.4.0
[20:20] <JPSman> sure - but the link is wrong
[20:20] <stedip> I have inform myself on these snap/nix packages...
[20:21] <OerHeks> well, upgrade to the latest, not sure why you didn't.
[20:21] <JPSman> well, I like to read update information before doing an update
[20:21] <OerHeks> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:21] <JPSman> uh huh yeah those ARE the commands for an update
[20:22] <stedip> thank you everyone, bye bye :)
[20:22] <hggdh> JPSman: open a bug on it: ubuntu-bug gfortran, and explain about the invalid link on the last version
[20:23] <JPSman> So, thats how I would do it?
[20:23] <JPSman> Thank you
[20:23] <hggdh> JPSman: on a terminal, enter "ubuntu-bug gfortran", and follow the instructions
[20:23] <OerHeks> hggdh, the last version is .40, he has .30 installed
[20:24] <JPSman> hggdh, I did that - and at no time was there an option to explain the bad URL in Software Updater
[20:24] <hggdh> OerHeks: I know. JPSman can either (1) install the new version, thn open the bug, or (2) report on what they currently have, and explain it applies to the NEWEST version
[20:24] <JPSman> soooo they just got a uselss bug report
[20:25] <hggdh> JStoker: you should have a browser window opening to launchpad.net. This is where you would be able to explain
[20:25] <JPSman> How do I submit a bug and type in an explanation about whats up?
[20:26] <hggdh> JPSman: ^(sorry JStoker, bad tab-completion
[20:26] <hggdh> JPSman: I just told you what do to
[20:27] <JPSman> hggdh, I did that.  I typed: ubuntu-bug gfortran   and it collected information, and at no time was I able to type in an explanation about a bad URL, so they got a useless report
[20:28] <stedip> lordcirth__: yeah these snap packages seem cool... :)
[20:28] <hggdh> JPSman: is this a desktop or a server environment? You should have had a browser window opened to finish up the bug submission
[20:29] <JPSman> hggdh, desktop, and no, no browser popped up... I'm looking at --help and also the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs website now......
[20:34] <hggdh> JPSman: weird. I just tried on my laptop, and I *did* get a pop-up to confirm I want to open a bug (and -- after clicking on the SEND button -- a browser window should open)
[20:35] <JPSman> hggdh, yeah, I even just tried closing my firefox all together, and sending it, and no browser popped up.
[20:36] <hggdh> JPSman: did you get the "Ubuntu - Apport" window opened, with the summary of data collected?
[20:36] <JPSman> hggdh, yes, yes I did.  after clicking "send" nothing more happened.
[20:38] <hggdh> JPSman: I have no clue, then. Works for me... I ran it, clicked on SEND, and a new page opened on my Chromium, with lp.net, stating it was processing data received
[20:39] <hggdh> JPSman: THEN I get the usual bug filling page
[20:39] <JPSman> hggdh, does it have to do with MIME (or something?) not knowing what my default browser is?
[20:39] <JPSman> ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug lol
[20:41] <puhdabear> asdasd
[20:47] <hggdh> JPSman: IDK, but it might
[20:47] <JPSman> hggdh, I'm logging into Ubuntu One and filing a report "manually"
[20:56] <Cryptolock> hi guys, i have a ubuntu server, whevenver its reboot it wont connect untill i add default gw.
[20:58] <leftyfb> Cryptolock: configure your network properly
[20:59] <Cryptolock> leftyfb are you saying it not configured properly ?
[21:17] <jym> Using mate...   I can see a smb share in gui, shouldn't it also be available in the shell too?
[21:17] <newdimension> Where does Ubuntu store the fact that the system user (the one created during install). Has sudoer permission? I don't see it in /etc/sudoer
[21:17] <newdimension> (got d/c not sure if first time went through)
[21:18] <nacc> newdimension: i believe that user is added to the 'sudo' group?
[21:19] <newdimension> nacc: In what case do people edit the sudoers files then?
[21:19] <nacc> newdimension: to add other sudo rules?
[21:19] <nacc> newdimension: I don't know to answer that question without saying "when they need to", really?
[21:20] <nacc> newdimension: I would guess most Ubuntu users do not edit said file
[21:20] <newdimension> So that file is like a config, while groups are used to give permissions
[21:20] <nacc> newdimension: that file is explicitly a config, yes.
[21:20] <nacc> newdimension: `man sudoers`
[21:20] <newdimension> Thank you for clearing that up. Appreciate it!
[21:20] <nacc> (s/config/policy definition/)
[21:20] <jym> newdimension: Are you trying to make your user root all the time?
[21:21] <newdimension> jym: No, I'm automating the creation of remote users using ansible, and wanted to understand what I'm doing
[21:21] <newdimension> I know that sudo privileges should only be invoked by calling sudo
[21:21] <jym> newdimension: ah ok, glad that you are aware of that  =)
[21:22] <newdimension> Thanks for pointing it, it's the kind of thinkg that falls into you don't know what you don't know
[21:22] <newdimension> *pointing it out, though
[21:30] <adac> Guys my redshift stopped working ;/
[21:30] <adac> How can I debug why it is not working anymore
[21:30] <newdimension> Have you tried turning it off then on again?
[21:30] <newdimension> :P
[21:31] <adac> newdimension, yes :D
[21:32]  * newdimension escalate to level 2 support and walks slowly away
[21:33] <adac> newdimension, only message i see in syslog when i restart it is: (geoclue:26735): Geoclue-WARNING **: Failed to query location: Forbidden
[21:33] <adac> not sure if this is causing ot
[21:33] <adac> it
[21:33] <adac> I think it stopped working with the latest kernel in my 16.04 installation
[21:33] <newdimension> I actually don't even know what redshift is. Sorry can't help
[21:33] <newdimension> 3.
[21:33] <adac> kk
[21:34] <adac> it filters off the blue lights from the monitor in the evening/night
[21:34] <adac> so you get tired finally :D
[21:34] <adac> not sitting in front of computer the whole night :P
[21:34] <OerHeks> if that error is comming from Geoip-database-contrib. it has  been removed from Debian entirely [2] due to deprecation by upstream, apparently in favor of geoipupdate
[21:35] <OerHeks> besides: 18.04 GNOME provides features like Redshift out-of-the-box and has Wayland support.
[21:35] <adac> OerHeks, I really need to update then
[21:35] <El_Hombre> Gilets jaunes: Appel à la révolution: Le mot d'ordre pour ce 1er mai: TOUT CASSER
[21:35] <adac> thing onyl is I need this notebook for my work and don't want to break anything atm
[21:36] <adac> but probably an upgrade is not a big issue right?
[21:37] <grogen> greetings all, have a question
[21:37] <grogen> i'm using ubuntu 18 desktop
[21:37] <grogen> is there any way to make lockscreen more nice and fancy than usual
[21:37] <grogen> i mean not only background, but whole design of lockscreen
[21:37] <grogen> ?
[21:38] <OerHeks> redshift is @ v1.11 http://jonls.dk/redshift/ and bionic gives that version too.
[21:38] <OerHeks> !info redshift bionic
[21:38] <OerHeks> .. but why reinvent the weel
[21:39] <adac> yes if Gonme has it out of the box that is fine for me
[21:39] <adac> doesn't have t be redshift. Should only get tired at some point ;)
[21:39] <OerHeks> grogen, maybe you can find or write a gnome extention, the lockscreen background is an available option in systemsettings
[21:39] <grogen> got it, will have a look
[21:39] <grogen> thank you
[21:40] <OerHeks> there is a whole discussion https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2018/05/09/redesigning-the-lock-screen/
[21:42] <adac> OerHeks, For redshift I guess then then redshift would need to use/implement geoipupdate
[21:47] <amcsi> hi
[21:47] <grogen> 0/
[21:47] <amcsi> how can I run a command forked in such a way that even if I close the terminal, the process would continue to run?
[21:52] <blackflow> amcsi: there's nohup, but I'd advise running your process under tmux or screen
[21:53] <amcsi> blackflow, I use tmux/screen. They're great, but I'm looking for something I can tell a colleague to use who doesn't know how to use tmux/screen
[21:54] <amcsi> so instead of `<command> &`, I would write `nohup <command> &` ?
[22:06] <idlemind> so seemingly crazy question - using an ubuntu livecd can i send a parameter at boot that will start the installation? if so, can I also signal the options to use?
[22:07] <catbadger> hey, so I'm trying to configure a squid proxy, but the tutorial employs /etc/networking/interfaces... do i need to bridge the networks in netplan?
[22:07] <OerHeks> idlemind, a preseed file comes in mind
[22:07] <idlemind> oerheks ya that's what i'm thinking - not sure if that works in a livecd environment though
[22:08] <catbadger> to clarify, there's 2 nics, and i want all traffic to go through the proxy transparently
[22:08] <catbadger> just want to watch with more detail
[22:09] <OerHeks> idlemind, that would work with a live usb + persistence part
[22:09] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt
[22:09] <idlemind> thanks i'll give it a try!
[22:09] <OerHeks> depends on what system you want to do this, UEFI may need additional settings
[22:20] <blackflow> amcsi: for starters, you'd look up the nohup manpage :)  also, tmux or screen are really nothing extra to learn for your friend.  you run tmux, you start your program, you ctrl+b d   to detach, you "tmux attach" back to attach. if your friend can use command line, they can use this too.
[22:29] <mra90> kernel code has a lot of definitions of macros like "EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL" what is the best way to figure out which one is appropriate for me?
[22:29] <mra90> by for me I mean for the source code from which it was called
[22:31] <newdimension> What decides which user group new files create by a user belong to?
[22:31] <xamithan> their primary group
[22:32] <newdimension> How can I find that out?
[22:32] <newdimension> usermod I think
[22:33] <xamithan> id -gn user
[22:34] <newdimension> Shouldn't a user be able to usermod themselves without sudo?
[22:34] <newdimension> I'm getting permission error
[22:35] <newdimension> usermod: Permission denied.usermod: cannot lock /etc/passwd; try again later.
[22:35] <xamithan> Why would they.  Then they could change their groups theirself
[22:35] <xamithan> or edit passwd
[22:35] <newdimension> oh thought, it's like picking your own primary group. But you're making sense
[22:36] <xamithan> You don't pick that,  you get it assigned by the admin
[22:36] <newdimension> right. Is the primary group the first group the user gets added to? That's what happened
[22:36] <xamithan> Unless it is changed,  it is usually the same as the username
[22:37] <newdimension> So I'm automating usercreation using ansible and they use the low-level addser
[22:37] <newdimension> *adduser
[22:37] <newdimension> It doens't create a group for the user
[22:38] <xamithan> The group has to already exist and you use the -g option to assign it primary
[22:38] <newdimension> right
[22:39] <dex1983> hi
[22:40] <dex1983> I want to copy a file via scp but how I can add a parameter fo my .ssh file because I have a custom path to it
[22:41] <blackflow> dex1983: can you give an example of what exactly you're doing? in a pastebin
[22:42] <xamithan> You want to set the environment PATH inside the .ssh dir ?
[22:44] <ghost-287> hello, i have a problem with my external wifi antenna in ubuntu 18.04
[22:44] <dex1983> yes blackflow: https://pastebin.com/bWAszcwj
[22:44] <ghost-287> it worked fine, but after reboot it s not working,
[22:44] <ghost-287> means that it dont detect any wifi
[22:45] <ghost-287> and not shown in ifconfig
[22:45] <blackflow> dex1983: and where does a "my .ssh file" come into this picture? what is it anyway?
[22:47] <dex1983> i need the parameter to it
[22:47] <dex1983> for scp
[22:47] <dex1983> without I cannot login to my server
[22:47] <xamithan> From that paste you just need an ssh-key
[22:48] <blackflow> dex1983: yeah, what xamithan said. there's no command param for scp, you need to set up the keys first.  https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-ssh-keys-on-ubuntu-1604
[22:49] <dex1983> thanks but I have my ssh keys
[22:49] <dex1983> :)
[22:49] <dex1983> they are working when login via ssh
[22:49] <blackflow> DalekSec: apparently not
[22:49] <xamithan> well they are not in the known_hosts file for that user
[22:49] <xamithan> Otherwise it would have worked
[22:49] <blackflow> DalekSec: oops. mistab
[22:49] <dex1983> I only need the parameter for scp
[22:49] <dex1983> that it works
[22:49] <blackflow> dex1983: there is no extra parameter. if you can   `ssh someserver`  then you can scp to it as well
[22:50] <dex1983> i have to ssh -i .ssh/marduk md@ipaddress that is works
[22:51] <xamithan> Well you can do scp -i also
[22:52] <blackflow> or use -o IdentityFile . But instead, set up your ~/.ssh/config properly so you don't have to specify any params.
[22:59] <vcxvcg> hello, i am trying to install the nvidia proprietary drivers.  i have added the ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa  repository with `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa` and ran apt update, then tried installing nvidia-304.  it gives me this error:  https://pastebin.com/raw/hp2jzBH1
[23:01] <xamithan> We don't assist with PPAs,  contact the maintainer for support or try ##linux
[23:02] <dex1983> ah ok thanks xamithanm
[23:08] <blazeme8> In a debian repository, what is the "binary-amd64", "binary-i386", "source" etc part of the URL called?
[23:09] <blazeme8> Like how "main", "multiverse", etc are called Components, what's the word for ^ ?
[23:11] <xamithan> What,  this isn't #debian
[23:11] <blazeme8> ubuntu uses the same packaging tools :)
[23:12] <xamithan> Well it is kind of off-topic but all the information you need is here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Format
[23:13] <blazeme8> yes and no, on that page they *mention* it and show it containing the architecture name but dont give a specific name to that part of the path
[23:14] <blazeme8> i'm also looking at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-backports/multiverse/ which contains "i8n" and "debian-installer" which certainly arent architectures
[23:15] <xamithan> "Binary package indices are in binary-$arch subdirectory of the component directories."
[23:15] <blazeme8> hmm so "Index" might make sense then
[23:15] <noregret> so I got this service https://bpaste.net/show/38c72b21bced and all newly created torrent files/dirs are 755 and not 775, any idea why?
[23:15] <blazeme8> that's the placeholder ive been using for now
[23:16] <xamithan> What's wrong with binary package indices
[23:16] <blazeme8> because in my link above "source" and "i8n" are directories at the same level
[23:16] <xamithan> noregret: Your umask is in that paste,  you can change it if you like
[23:16] <blazeme8> and sources arent binaries
[23:17] <blazeme8> i'm writing a tool for repo management and would like to have the internal and api terminology as correct as possible :)
[23:18] <xamithan> Your service might be ignoring the umask from the unit.  You might could try Environment='UMASK=0002'
[23:22] <xamithan> noregret: Wait..  Looking at that paste again you have it set as Umask not UMask
[23:24] <sere_> whats the easiest way to copy files from one destination to another maybe sync but skip files that are already in the destination folder.. aka one way sync to an external drive with skipping files already on the drive.
[23:24] <sere_> trying to use rsync but dont see any options like this
[23:25] <xamithan> Doesn't rsync do that by default ?
[23:27] <noregret> xamithan: aha, so it's a typo, i'll fix that and try again, thanks
[23:28] <sere_> xamithan: i could get it to not replace everythign even grsync replaces everything and has no option to skip
[23:28] <sere_> could not*
[23:30] <xamithan> Well there is a --ignore-existing option
[23:31] <sere_> xamithan: I have it checked but it still replaces everything.
[23:34] <xamithan> It will still copy if the timestamp is newer on the local system.  Maybe you also want the --size-only flag as well
[23:34] <Sbur3> Any equivalent to stbemu to watch programs on your living room screen?
[23:35] <sere_> xamithan: source /media/e/videos destination /media/d/videos. This creates a folder in /media/d/videos/videos.  hmm
[23:36] <xamithan> That is the intended behavior
[23:37] <sere_> xamithan: im confused because I would like it to just go to /media/d/videos and not /media/d/videos/videos
[23:37] <xamithan> Does it work if you do /media/d/videos /media/d/
[23:37] <xamithan> You could also probably do it like /media/d/videos/* /media/d/videos/*
[23:40] <xamithan> Also remember,  the trailing / at the end matters for copies like that
[23:41] <sere_> xamithan: I believe it is working now with /media/d/ It went from 17 hours to 1 hour of copy time
[23:41] <sere_> xamithan: thanks alot for the help
[23:41] <xamithan> Nice
[23:44] <JonelethIrenicus> wow dd is so slow
[23:46] <sere_> xamithan: its done :) and so much easier. thanks again