[12:23] <xubuntu41w> Hi, I'm installing on a MacBook Air 2013 that has no SSD...how would I disable that in kernel "cheat-codes"?
[12:25] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu41w: disable what?
[12:26] <xubuntu41w> Disable the non-working SSD (solid state THE [internal] harddrive)
[12:26] <pmjdebruijn> why would you want to disable it?
[12:26] <pmjdebruijn> if the ssd isn't working ,what are you install xubuntu on then?
[12:27] <xubuntu41w> It takes about 36 seconds for the system to start up looking for a working SSD even after holding the option key after boot-sound, PLUS it takes another 66 seconds once an OS is starting up.
[12:28] <pmjdebruijn> what are you booting from then?
[12:29] <xubuntu41w> USB 2.0 drive...1.6 GB.... was looking for a way to use UBUNTU FOR STEAM, GAMEDEV USE.
[12:30] <pmjdebruijn> are you sure the internal ssd is the issue for bootspeed? as booting from a USB drive isn't going to be fast to begin with
[12:32] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu41w: wouldn't it be much better to just replace the failed ssd?
[12:32] <xubuntu41w> Yes, I am sure. I take out the SSD before starting....it goes straight to the boot menu, but once I start ANY OS [from USB] they don't start UNLESS I have the SSD card in the machine. Then in the NON-SILENT verbose mode of ANY SYSTEMS it has error
[12:32] <xubuntu41w> Errors looking for not working drive...
[12:33] <xubuntu41w> You have work for me? Or want to donate $250 Canadian.....:-)
[12:33] <xubuntu41w> Believe me its error for the PCI/ATA controller or something that is for the SSD....
[12:34] <xubuntu41w> Believe me the *&$&% SSD is the one not working and I want to disable it.
[12:34] <pmjdebruijn> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/102648/how-to-tell-linux-kernel-3-0-to-completely-ignore-a-failing-disk
[12:35] <pmjdebruijn> that MIGHT Help
[12:35] <pmjdebruijn> libata.force=2.00:disable
[12:36] <xubuntu41w> That is sounding PRETTY CLOSE my friend...! I'll stay on board a bit, but I will have to restart my machine multiple times to check it out.....For now, I'll read it....
[12:37] <pmjdebruijn> btw, also keep in mind that SSDs have gotten fairly cheap
[12:38] <xubuntu41w> Neat to hear. I got the 2013 machine 5 years ago. The SSDs were expensive asf.
[12:39] <pmjdebruijn> 128GB NVME SSDs can be had to 35EUR
[12:39] <pmjdebruijn> probably not as performant as the original
[12:39] <pmjdebruijn> but still much faster than a USB drive
[12:39] <pmjdebruijn> the big question is if they will work in a Mac
[12:40] <pmjdebruijn> Mac's are sadly an atrocious choice if you're on a budget, even 5yrs after purchase
[12:44] <pmjdebruijn> for example: TS128GMTE110S
[12:45] <pmjdebruijn> but again not sure if Apple sabotaged third party SSDs in their hardware
[12:48] <xubuntu41w> This is superb help. Yes, the price I found was for ones that are double the original speed of the SSD. I wouldn't mind even a 32/64GB if they exist.
[12:49] <xubuntu41w> I looked through all the kernel commands [official listing] didn't find any particular one that would not affect USB as well.
[12:52] <xubuntu41w> So, yeah, the fix you mention does have to have a patch, and the one linked is for 3.12 kernel. I'll be installing Xubuntu 19.04 which I think has kernel 5.0.
[12:52] <xubuntu41w> Any ideas on how to PATCH kernels?
[13:04] <ChunkzZ> hi, where are the options for adding "delete" permanently in 19.04?
[13:04] <ChunkzZ> I only have move to wastebasket.,...
[13:07] <brainwash> ChunkzZ: preferences > behavior
[13:07] <ChunkzZ> brainwash, where?
[13:07] <xubuntu41w> In Ubuntu [regular] it was an option in the preferences.
[13:08] <ChunkzZ> I don't see it brainwash
[13:08] <ChunkzZ> no prefrences...
[13:08] <xubuntu41w> One of the tabs has a checkbox, in Preferences of Nautilus.
[13:08] <ChunkzZ> and where do I find Nautilus?@
[13:09] <xubuntu41w> Sorry, I don't have Xubuntu, yet. It's downloading. So, I think they use a different file-manager.
[13:09] <ChunkzZ> I'm on 19.04...
[13:09] <brainwash> ChunkzZ: https://bluesabre.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/thunar.png
[13:10] <ChunkzZ> brainwash, I don't have that installed?!
[13:10] <brainwash> you don't have Thunar (the file manager) installed?
[13:11] <ChunkzZ> yes, thunar is installed but no file manager pref...
[13:11] <brainwash> ...
[13:11] <ChunkzZ> ?
[13:11] <brainwash> thunar has a menu bar
[13:11] <brainwash> you go there
[13:11] <brainwash> and click on preferences
[13:12] <ChunkzZ> !!!!
[13:12] <ChunkzZ> thanks!!!!!!!!!!
[13:12] <brainwash> you're welcome
[13:13] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu41w: the article mentioend the patch going mainline, so it should work everywhere now
[13:17] <xubuntu41w> Cool dude! So, I just add the line in the grub menu?
[13:18] <xubuntu41w> I mean the parameter in the linux line of a boot-loader?
[13:19] <pmjdebruijn> probably
[13:19] <pmjdebruijn> again I have no experience with this
[13:19] <pmjdebruijn> I would just replace the SSD
[13:19] <pmjdebruijn> but then again I would have never bought a Mac to begin with :D
[13:20] <pmjdebruijn> sorry for begin cheecky
[13:20] <xubuntu41w> I was going to do development  for iOS devices.....Apology accepted.
[13:22] <xubuntu41w> What's the big/small differences from Xubuntu and UBUNTU Mate?? Like memory usage and performance, other than desktop environment.
[13:23] <xubuntu41w> See if you can convince me to stick to Xubuntu anyone...
[13:24] <brainwash> you can download both, and test both
[13:25] <xubuntu41w> I am Ubuntu Mate just finished downloading a second ago, Xubuntu in 41 minutes.. I was and STILL asking for OTHERS opinions and experience. i7 processor, 8GB RAM, USB 2.0 startup/boot device.
[13:26] <xubuntu41w> *I am.
[13:26] <brainwash> what do you expect? this is the Xubuntu channel
[13:28] <brainwash> you probably should search the web for comparisons instead
[13:28] <brainwash> actual benchmarks etc.
[13:29] <xubuntu41w> Ok, I checked out YouTube videos....AGAIN YOUR OPINIONS, OTHERS EXPERIENCE IF ANY.
[13:29] <xubuntu41w> I checked them out hours ago.
[13:30] <xubuntu41w> Okay, so A DIFFERENT QUESTION:
[13:30] <brainwash> no need for caps
[13:30] <xubuntu41w> :D How do you **bold**?
[13:32] <xubuntu41w> Can I use the brandmarks, https://xubuntu.org/resources/ , to make anything like 3D printed work, and give them away? Can I even sell them, like knitted work or something like calendars?
[13:34] <brainwash> I have no idea
[13:44] <gnrp> xubuntu41w: There is written on that page that you should get in touch
[13:44] <gnrp> "Want to use our logo somewhere or update to the newest version but need help?
[13:44] <gnrp> Be in contact and we’ll help you.
[13:45] <gnrp> and for bold: Some clients interpret single asterisks as something *bold*, others don't.
[13:53] <xubuntu41w> @gnrp Aha. and thanks for tip.
[13:53] <xubuntu41w> Yes, the email is xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[13:54] <xubuntu41w> I have another question while I have a running system:
[13:55] <xubuntu41w> Is it possible to run Xubuntu on a USB stick as Read-Only?
[13:55] <pmjdebruijn> in iso mode
[13:56] <pmjdebruijn> dd if=xubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX
[13:56] <xubuntu41w> Purpose: To not have the install/system disk get corrupted or inoperable with a poweroutage or non-traditional reboot/shutdown.
[13:56] <pmjdebruijn> since ISO9660 is a readonly filesystem
[13:56] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu41w: that always the case with usb live boot
[13:56] <pmjdebruijn> or did you _install_ to a usb stick
[13:57] <pmjdebruijn> in any case, for a real world usable system, it's fairly hard to do any work without some persistent storage
[13:57] <xubuntu41w> I had an install of Ubuntu that couldn't start up [went to grub-rescue] after not shutting down through the menus.
[13:58] <xubuntu41w> So, something like UNetbootin to make persistance available to the USB non-installed system? How would you dd that persistance?
[13:59] <xubuntu41w> I think there's an option in Unetbootin for Ubuntu systems to have configurable persistence storage...
[14:01] <xubuntu41w> xubuntu-19.04-desktop-amd64.iso 29 seconds to download!!!
[14:01] <xubuntu41w> Wish me luck getting it to have persistance storage on USB!!
[14:04] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu has its own bootable creator
[14:05] <xubuntu41w> Have you used it?
[14:06] <pmjdebruijn> not a long while
[14:07] <xubuntu41w> What Xubuntu version/desktop-environment do you use <pmjdebruijn> may I ask?
[14:07] <pmjdebruijn> 18.04
[14:08] <pmjdebruijn> but desktops are just personal preference nothing more
[14:08] <xubuntu41w> Hence a question directed to a person...??
[14:09] <xubuntu41w> Uninstall your personal preference to JWM or GNU/Step, nothing more..........
[14:09] <xubuntu41w> ................................................
[14:10] <xubuntu41w> ..................jk ^_______________^
[14:10] <pmjdebruijn> please don't do that
[14:10] <pmjdebruijn> but I like xfce just fine, which is the whole point of installing xubuntu
[14:12] <xubuntu41w> Indeed. Xubuntu can use Steam?
[14:12] <xubuntu41w> A popular game downloading/server-type place/thing.
[14:12] <Axzercion> ofcourse, xubuntu is based on debian
[14:13] <xubuntu41w> So we don't need unity/gnome/gtk/systemd?
[14:13] <xubuntu41w> For steam.
[14:13] <Axzercion> why would u need that?
[14:13] <xubuntu41w> There are people called developers.
[14:14] <Axzercion> not sure about the dependencies of steam, never looked them up
[14:14] <xubuntu41w> Developers talk to computers. Why would you ask that?
[14:14] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu41w: what do developers have do to with the compatilibty of steam with a particular window manager?
[14:15] <xubuntu41w> He asked why would we need those, if at all, well programmers/execs would have put them in and do you have apps that use only Qt .
[14:15] <xubuntu41w> WTF can't you know these things?
[14:16] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu41w: he meant why would steam need unity
[14:16] <xubuntu41w> SMH.
[14:16] <Axzercion> the gtk couldve been a dependency, but it looks like steam doesn't depend on it
[14:16] <xubuntu41w> Not the point dude. Wake up, repent and find God.
[14:16] <pmjdebruijn> which app uses which toolkit doesn't matter, this is handled by package dependancies
[15:51] <bakedpi> If I install xfce4 on ubuntu 18.04 and login with xfce session I get this 4 panel workspace switcher at top right which I don't get in Xubuntu 18.04? How do I get it?
[15:52] <bakedpi> I have increased workspaces to 4 in the workspaces app in Xubuntu but can't change to any other workspace.
[16:01] <diogenes_> bakedpi, i assume you need to add workspace switcher plugin to the panel.
[17:29] <xubuntu74i> have a lot of fun.
[17:54] <bakedpi> diogenes_: Thanks. Found about the plugins.
[19:47] <glith> Hello
[19:49] <glith> I have a problem with my computer lid. Whenever I close it, the screen remains on, and if by any reason the computer goes to sleep mode, whenever I try to wake it up it basically reboots.
[19:50] <glith> I've looked in several subreddits and forums and I havent found any solution
[19:53] <brainwash> glith: does suspend work otherwise? did you test without having the screen locker enabled? any related messages in the system log?
[19:53] <brainwash> also, how did you configure the Xfce power manager?
[19:54] <glith> anything that "locks" the screen makes the computer reboot
[19:54] <glith> the xfce power manager is on default settings
[19:54] <glith> I tried disabling the screen locker with no changes
[19:57] <brainwash> and the first question?
[19:59] <glith> Im going to try suspend, wait a sec
[20:01] <glith_> okay! suspend works apparently
[20:01] <glith_> first time the screen locked and woke up without rebooting
[20:08] <brainwash> glith_: how did you disable the screen locker before?
[20:08] <brainwash> I'm still not sure about that part
[20:09] <glith_> I went to the startup settings and disabled it and also using killall light-locker
[20:09] <brainwash> good
[20:10] <brainwash> and despite that the system was not able to properly suspend on lid close, right?
[20:10] <glith_> exactly
[20:10] <glith_> I currently have the screen locker disable btw
[20:10] <glith_> since having it enabled does nothing either
[20:11] <glith_> I could give the computer specs if that helps
[20:12] <brainwash> you may want to try the following: adding "IgnoreLid=true" to /etc/UPower/UPower.conf
[20:12] <glith_> okay, hold up
[20:13] <brainwash> I've read about this configuration change a few times
[20:13] <brainwash> in relation to lid close issues
[20:14] <brainwash> no idea if it takes effect immediately
[20:18] <glith_> going to reboot and try
[20:22] <glith> i dont know what im looking for tho
[20:23] <brainwash> another test?
[20:23] <brainwash> to verify if the config change works or not
[20:24] <glith> i closed the lid, didnt do anything (as expected) but apart from that I guess i have to enable the screen locker and wait for it to lock
[20:25] <brainwash> what action do you expect? just screen locking or suspend + lock?
[20:25] <glith> screen lock
[20:25] <brainwash> I don't know what the default power manager config is
[20:25] <brainwash> okay
[20:34] <glith_>    
[20:36] <glith> okay, it locked and didn't automatically reboot, but i wasnt able to wake it up
[20:36] <glith> I had to hard reboot the laptop
[20:36] <glith> Weird
[20:41] <glith__> I disabled again the screen locker just in case
[20:44] <brainwash> glith__: I would install "xscreensaver" and see if it's maybe a problem with light-locker
[20:44] <glith> okay
[20:45] <glith> Im going to try
[20:45] <brainwash> install it and then relog
[20:45] <brainwash> so that it gets started via autostart
[20:49] <glith_> alright im back, let's see if this works
[20:51] <glith_> It allows me to wake up the laptop, so im calling it a success
[20:53] <brainwash> great
[20:54] <glith_> It sucks that the lid cannot control sleep wake functions....
[20:58] <glith_> thanks brainwash! You have been really helpful :)
[21:01] <brainwash> you're welcome glith_
[21:42] <Soid> help shashlik gives me virtualization error, and the screen stays black, but virtual box works very well
[21:55] <Soid> help shashlik gives me virtualization error, and the screen stays black, but virtual box works very well
[22:14] <Soid> help shashlik gives me virtualization error, and the screen stays black, but virtual box works very well