| willcooke | o/ | 05:16 |
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| willcooke | Blargh. Jet lag is back, plus I have a head cold. Might keep a low profile this morning | 05:17 |
| duflu | Hi willcooke. <something> morning then | 05:19 |
| willcooke | :D | 05:19 |
| duflu | You almost made morning in Australia, which is obviously wrong | 05:20 |
| duflu | Although right given that was your previous timezone | 05:20 |
| willcooke | heh | 05:23 |
| willcooke | Its going to be a quiet day today anyway I think, public hol in much of Europe | 05:23 |
| duflu | That's good. I need to duck out in a while anyway | 05:24 |
| duflu | Damn. We released a gstreamer1.0-vaapi that doesn't work in Xorg for Intel GPUs | 05:29 |
| duflu | It worked the last time I tested it before release | 05:29 |
| duflu | Obviously not recently enough | 05:29 |
| willcooke | oh | 05:30 |
| willcooke | I didnt notice, shows how much I use that then | 05:30 |
| duflu | I use 'mpv' if I need to play a video now. Although even when totem is working it's still not smooth. I suspect when more smoothness fixes have landed in mutter I'll be able to backport some to legacy clutter to help totem | 05:51 |
| willcooke | is there a fix for gstreamer1.0-vaapi? | 05:52 |
| duflu | Not that I know of. Although that package seems to work fine via gst-play-1.0 so I am not sure that is the right package | 05:53 |
| duflu | I also don't remember all the related parameters to gst-play-1.0 to answer that question better right now | 05:54 |
| willcooke | np | 06:06 |
| duflu | I forgot how much I hate gstreamer | 06:54 |
| duflu | But I am finding some answers | 06:55 |
| marcustomlinson | morning duflu willcooke | 07:45 |
| duflu | Morning marcustomlinson | 07:46 |
| willcooke | hi marcustomlinson | 07:50 |
| Laney | yeehaw | 08:00 |
| marcustomlinson | howdy Laney! | 08:04 |
| Laney | hey marcustomlinson | 08:08 |
| Laney | how you getting on? | 08:08 |
| marcustomlinson | Yeah alright thanks, getting the hang of the release processes. LibreOffice is a bit of a beast so a decent project to learn from | 08:09 |
| marcustomlinson | Just a bit of a beast though :P I realise there are much worse | 08:10 |
| Laney | yes it is /o\ | 08:10 |
| willcooke | marcustomlinson, Laney: I'm under the weather today so will be afk a bit. (In bed with my laptop atm.) | 08:13 |
| Laney | as you were | 08:14 |
| Laney | (netflix?) | 08:14 |
| Laney | FFS that update-manager stealing focus thing just happened again | 08:14 |
| duflu | Morning Laney | 08:14 |
| marcustomlinson | get better willcooke | 08:14 |
| Laney | 👋 duflu | 08:15 |
| Laney | I wonder if the Android list of emoji aliases is free software | 08:16 |
| Laney | would be good to feed that to Characters | 08:16 |
| duflu | In the future there will be no letters | 08:23 |
| erGoline | Hi! I'm trying Wayland on Ubuntu, it works fine but I'm getting a strange bug: some installed apps are not present in the applications drawer and are not even displayed in the search too. Any help, please? | 08:55 |
| duflu | erGoline, does the problem happen with any built-in apps or just some you installed yourself? | 08:55 |
| erGoline | duflu, I detected the problem with some apps installed by myself, I don't know if this hits other system apps | 08:58 |
| erGoline | This apply to random apps, for example Telegram Desktop or Sublime Text (but Sublime Merge is here with no problems). I noticed that even the terminal "subl" command is missing, so probably is a path problem. | 08:58 |
| erGoline | duflu, I don't know if it could be related, but I use zsh | 09:04 |
| duflu | Maybe ignore the terminal shell. Focus on the graphical shell only | 09:05 |
| duflu | Although... is the problem applicable to snaps only? | 09:06 |
| duflu | Or do you see it with apps installed as debs too? | 09:06 |
| erGoline | I point out the shell because I cannot find Sublime Text in the drawer *and* subl, the related terminal command | 09:06 |
| duflu | Sounds like some kind of snap mount is missing | 09:06 |
| * duflu doesn't know about such things | 09:07 | |
| duflu | jamesh, ? | 09:07 |
| jamesh | erGoline: first things first: if you open a shell and type "echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS", does it show /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications ? | 09:08 |
| erGoline | The two missing apps have beeen installed via Gnome Software (with snap) | 09:08 |
| jamesh | in the overall list of directories | 09:08 |
| erGoline | jamesh, empty! | 09:09 |
| Laney | snapd needs a user environment generator - the environment setup doesn't work in all cases currently | 09:10 |
| jamesh | erGoline: that is surprising: it should be set when you log in. | 09:10 |
| jamesh | erGoline: is there anything unusual about your setup? Different user shell, customised method of starting the desktop, etc? | 09:11 |
| duflu | jamesh, zsh | 09:11 |
| jamesh | snapd relies on a file in /etc/profile.d being sourced during login to add to XDG_DATA_DIRS. I guess either the default zshrc isn't doing that, or a user zshrc is overriding whatever does that? | 09:15 |
| erGoline | jamesh, I use zsh, nothing fancy, all installed in the standard way | 09:17 |
| erGoline | jamesh, I think yo are right, someone is having a similar problem: https://github.com/Sarcasm/zuko | 09:18 |
| jamesh | erGoline: yep. Just checked the bug list and found https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1775340 (with close to a year of inactivity) | 09:19 |
| ubot5` | Ubuntu bug 1775340 in snapd "Make snapd zsh aware" [Medium,Triaged] | 09:19 |
| duflu | Also bug 1640514 | 09:19 |
| ubot5` | bug 1640514 in snapd (Ubuntu Xenial) "/snap/bin is not added to the PATH when using zsh" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1640514 | 09:19 |
| duflu | erGoline, I think that's a conclusion for now. Please subscribe to the above two bugs | 09:22 |
| erGoline | Ok thanks! | 09:26 |
| duflu | Sorry it's not a fix. But we at least found the right pages for the problem :) | 09:27 |
| jamesh | Laney: would a systemd environment generator actually help for processes not started by the user systemd instance? | 09:28 |
| jamesh | (e.g. gnome-shell?) | 09:28 |
| erGoline | duflu, yes this is the right path, I'm going to investigate, thank you again :) | 09:28 |
| jamesh | or is this something that will help once everything is started by systemd? :-) | 09:29 |
| jamesh | erGoline: one other thing to check: is /snap/bin on $PATH in your shell? | 09:43 |
| jamesh | if so, it might indicate /usr/lib/environment.d/990-snapd.conf is being applied even though the /etc/profile.d bits are ignored | 09:44 |
| erGoline | jamesh, duflu, this solution solves the problem :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1640514/comments/18 | 09:44 |
| ubot5` | Ubuntu bug 1640514 in snapd (Ubuntu Xenial) "/snap/bin is not added to the PATH when using zsh" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 09:44 |
| erGoline | jamesh, yes, /snap/bin is in the $PATH | 09:46 |
| jamesh | okay, so that's an environment.d based solution again. Good | 09:46 |
| jamesh | (not zsh specific) | 09:46 |
| Laney | jamesh: it works, but I can't remember exactly why; maybe gnome-session retrieves the environment from logind or similar | 09:48 |
| jamesh | Laney: that sounds familiar, yeah. | 09:48 |
| Laney | sorry for the delay, my desktop locked up | 09:48 |
| Laney | May 01 10:25:06 raleigh.local kernel: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at 000000040001f38a | 09:49 |
| Laney | May 01 10:25:06 raleigh.local kernel: #PF error: [normal kernel read fault] | 09:49 |
| jamesh | Laney: the bit I remembered was /etc/X11/Xsession.d/95dbus_update-activation-env, but that's doing the opposite: stuffing a snapshot of the env into dbus/systemd | 09:51 |
| jamesh | maybe pam_systemd is doing the environment setup? | 09:51 |
| Laney | don't think it's that, because it does not work for VT sessions | 09:53 |
| Laney | annoyingly | 09:53 |
| jamesh | maybe something is doing roughly the equivalent of "export $(systemctl --user show-environment)" somewhere | 09:57 |
| Laney | yup | 09:57 |
| Laney | environment handling is one of the rough parts of the 'user' concept I think | 09:58 |
| Laney | like how I SSH to my laptop and things like the GPG agent happen inside the GNOME session rather than the SSH session | 09:58 |
| jamesh | no one runs an ssh daemon on a desktop system though :-) | 09:59 |
| Laney | 😈 | 10:00 |
| jamesh | erGoline: I'll see if I can push that environment.d thing upstream for snapd. You shouldn't need any user specific hacks just because you changed the default shell. | 10:01 |
| erGoline | jamesh, thanks! | 10:01 |
| Laney | might want to look at what flatpak's done | 10:02 |
| Laney | they've got it in a few different places, but each time checking to not add dupes, basically | 10:03 |
| erGoline | Some suggestion on the best gesture manager? I'm checking https://gitlab.com/cunidev/gestures | 10:18 |
| Laney | Trevinho: mutter/shell srus uploaded, a couple of bugs in there need SRUifying though | 10:35 |
| Laney | bug #1813716 has tasks for shell - should they be deleted? | 10:36 |
| ubot5` | bug 1813716 in mutter (Ubuntu Eoan) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_x11_display_get_xdisplay → detach_pixmap → meta_surface_actor_x11_dispose → g_object_unref → ObjectInstance → → release_native_object" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1813716 | 10:36 |
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