[00:04] <rfm> JonelethIrenicus, did you remember to set the block size up?
[00:27] <ZeZu> why can't ubuntu unlock its keychain with a login ?
[00:27] <ZeZu> this used to be an option iirc,  unless i'm just missing it now
[00:31] <hggdh> ZeZu: normally it will; but if the login password changes, then it will fail
[00:31] <hggdh> ZeZu: or, at least, this is how it workED. Not sure now
[00:32] <ZeZu> yeah this happens w. the password i use to install
[00:32] <ZeZu> for the last .. half dozen versions?
[00:32] <ZeZu> prob since 14.x (just a guess)
[00:32] <ZeZu> could be 10.x
[00:33] <hggdh> until I moved over to KDE, it was working, to say, until 18.10
[00:34] <ZeZu> I think the issue is/was with autologin
[00:34] <hggdh> ZeZu: well, yes, this might cause it
[00:34] <ZeZu> i mean if you choose to autologin idk why you shouldn't be able to choose unlocking the keychain too
[00:35] <ZeZu> if can execute files,  we're worried about the keychain?
[00:35] <ZeZu> it's not a bad thing,  if there is an option to change it
[00:35] <ZeZu> there used to be
[00:35] <ZeZu> when it was first a thing
[00:36] <ZeZu> there likely still is a way just not in settings
[00:36] <hggdh> ZeZu: autologin, if I remember correctly, means "login with no password". Then, yes, you will be required to manually open the keychain
[00:36] <ZeZu> seems 10.x is correct : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1466519
[01:22] <JonelethIrenicus> openvpn doesn't work properly when ran as a service on start up, but when I start it myself and connect it works perfect
[01:29] <cnnx> im trying to apt-get install cuda
[01:29] <cnnx> and it says stuff is broken
[01:29] <cnnx> apt --fix-broken install doesnt work either
[01:30] <cnnx> how can i fix it
[01:31] <OerHeks> !info cuda
[01:31] <OerHeks> what guide do you follow?
[01:45] <slackin> Why is apt-get ... ummm.... to put it nicely, so poorly coded that it will fill up /boot with 10 different kernels that aren't being used, have never been used, and have no need for? And how do I disable it from auto-updating?
[01:46] <slackin> This is why I stick to gentoo.
[01:50] <slackin> and seriously, I can emerge a new kernel in gentoo, make menuconfig it from scratch, and compile it nearly as fast as apt-get can install a pre-compiled kernel. REALLY WHY?!?
[01:51] <slackin> I mean, honestly, I'm looking for answers. I have a server that runs ubuntu and I'm just dumbfounded.
[01:51] <slackin> why is the distro that supposed to be easier more difficult?
[01:51] <tomreyn> slackin: to vent your frustration, please visit a different channel. to get help with ubuntu, you're welcome to ask support questions here.
[01:55] <slackin> Why is apt-get ... ummm.... to put it nicely, so poorly coded that it will fill up /boot with 10 different kernels that aren't being used, have never been used, and have no need for? And how do I disable it from auto-updating?
[01:55] <slackin> ^^ real questions
[02:02] <tomreyn> chances are, the user just didn't install linux-image-generic, as any supported installer would.
[02:02] <Bashing-om> slackin: "so poorly coded" - Not . One meeds to learn how to use the tools at your disposal. For instance "Use the unattended-upgrades package to regularly run autoremove for you." .
[02:03] <slackin> Bashing-om, you say potato, i say potato. either way, I personally don't care for it. But I need it to behave. lol
[02:04] <Bashing-om> slackin: If I can learn apt - anyone can :)
[02:04] <tomreyn> $ dpkg -S /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal
[02:04] <tomreyn> apt: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal
[02:05] <slackin> tomreyn, how do i disable auto-update?
[02:05] <tomreyn> auto-update of what?
[02:06] <slackin> apt-get auto-updating stuff
[02:07] <tomreyn> by default you just get prompted
[02:07] <tomreyn> apt configuration is in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[02:07] <slackin> idk, it does it on its own
[02:08] <tomreyn> there are some frontends to apt, including graphical ones.
[02:08] <tomreyn> some of those may behave differently.
[02:09] <tomreyn> in some ubuntu versions or others.
[02:10] <Bashing-om> slackin: If you are hands on and do want to manually manage the system updates one can purge the unattended-upgrades package.
[02:11] <slackin> Bashing-om, its all remmed out in the config, so not sure why it's doing it anyway
[02:13] <Bashing-om> slackin: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades the file you are referencing ?
[02:13] <slackin> yes
[02:14] <tomreyn> you could state the ubuntu version, architecture, whether desktop (which flavour?) or server, and how you installed. this might enable people to support you.
[02:15] <mia> new to ubuntu (and linux) in general here
[02:15] <mia> how should I run a command after a wget download is completed?
[02:16] <slackin> tomreyn, to be honest, don't even know what version, amd_x64, server
[02:16] <mia> Actually I want to test my internet connectivity under load for an amount of time so I want to keep downloading the same file to /dev/null over and over to see if my internet is going to break somehow
[02:16] <mia> and I was planning to run the same download file once the download is completed
[02:16] <mia> but if there is a more clever or easier or one liner way to do it then I'd love to learn
[02:17] <tomreyn> slackin: lsb_release -ds
[02:17] <slackin> 16.04 lts
[02:18] <tomreyn> then i there should be no updates installed by default.
[02:19] <slackin> tomreyn, I wish that were true, but this is the 3rd time I've had to manually remove a ton of old kernels because they were filling up /boot and breaking apt-get
[02:19] <tomreyn> mia: use iperf
[02:20] <Bashing-om> slackin: Server, ya might want to dig deeper. Apt has a cron job at /etc/cron.daily/apt that determines how often it refreshes the dpkg database (apt-get update), and how often it downloads upgrades (apt-get upgrade), and from which upgrades it will autoinstall. The cron job uses the config files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ .
[02:21] <slackin> Bashing-om, hrm, i looked in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ but yea, ill check cron and just remove it. sounds like the easiest path
[02:25] <mia> tomreyn, I wanted to but I didn't get it
[02:25] <mia> it seemed like I have to set up a server
[02:32] <tomreyn> mia: there are some public ones
[02:33] <tomreyn> https://iperf.fr/iperf-servers.php
[02:33] <tomreyn> https://iperf.cc/
[02:55] <pts0> I can't chainload a .efi file in grub
[02:55] <pts0> how do you do this on ubuntu
[03:06] <soulseeker> is this a mimic testbed?
[04:51] <jatt> ls
[05:42] <soulseeker> hey sveta how does the mini iso work
[05:42] <soulseeker> it doesnt install system
[05:43] <soulseeker> it fails and I expected it to start pulling the system from ftp
[05:43] <soulseeker> or http in this case because ftp had no mirrors listed
[06:13] <soulseeker> how is this supposed to work
[06:47] <katriel> tudo bom
[06:47] <katriel> ?
[06:54] <aluno_> ola
[06:55] <ec0> Hello, is anyone here having success running do-releade-upgrade -d on Cosmic to Upgrade to Disco? The last few days, it has been failing for me with "WARNING:root:file 'disco-updates.tar.gz.gpg' missing"
[06:56] <guiverc2> ec0, disco is no longer development so I'd expect it to work no need -d  (its needed a few days after release as upgrade-path gets enabled a few days after release-date)
[06:57] <ducasse> ec0: you shouldn't use -d to go from cosmic to disco, now that disco is released
[06:57] <guiverc2> ec0, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseNotes  has notes on 18.10 -> 19.04 upgrade path
[06:58] <ec0> ahah!
[06:58] <guiverc2> (sorry my language was poor)
[06:58] <ec0> I somehow missed that announcement, thanks!
[06:58] <ec0> I upgraded on machine last week with -d, and that explains the change
[06:58] <ec0> that is working, thank you guiverc2, ducasse
[06:59] <guiverc2> :)
[07:33] <BillyZane> hi
[07:33] <BillyZane> how do i install ubuntu with a real time kernel?
[07:36] <SwedeMike> BillyZane: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime
[07:37] <BillyZane> hmm
[07:38] <guiverc2> BillyZane, I'd also explore package `ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings`  - but i'm no expert with it
[07:38] <BillyZane> so there's a 'Natty -realtime amd64' , natty was the release for '11 right
[07:38] <BillyZane> guiverc2, ok thanks i'll check that out also
[07:48] <guiverc2> Natty was 11.04; bionic is 18.04, cosmic is 18.10, disco is 19.04 ..  (bottom right of wiki has last editor & date)
[08:04] <gsiturbo> :)
[08:31] <soulseeker> hi SwedeMike is there an archive of ubuntustudo which has a realtime kernel
[08:32] <Prest0o> hi
[08:32] <Prest0o> i am having a problem with windows and i wonder if ubuntu/linux uses same pattern/problem, maybe someone can let me know
[08:33] <Prest0o> i have lets say 4 files, named 1.mp3 2.mp3 3.mp3 and 11.mp3
[08:33] <Prest0o> when i say in windows cmd to list them , "dir *.mp3" guess the result...
[08:33] <Prest0o> 1,11,2,3
[08:33] <soulseeker> it looks like after ubuntu 14 canonical started pushing allix zen
[08:33] <Prest0o> yeah 11 comes after 1 when you have 2.mp3
[08:34] <Prest0o> why?
[08:34] <Prest0o> hwo to make it list correclty the files?
[08:34] <ghost9999> because 1 is before .
[08:34] <ghost9999> rename them 01 02 03 11 and it will work :-)
[08:35] <SimonNL> sorted by asc  not by value
[08:35] <Prest0o> there is no flag in windows
[08:35] <Prest0o> for this type of sort
[08:36] <ghost9999> I think under linux you may use ls -1v (it's one v)
[08:36] <Prest0o> ok
[08:37] <soulseeker> looking back at the aftermath what do you see
[08:37] <soulseeker> do you think the church could have been more agressive
[08:38] <soulseeker> that was always an argument
[08:39] <Prest0o> maybe i past a code ?
[08:39] <Prest0o> or use pastebin to show you?
[08:40] <soulseeker> the emporer cognition hasentered the room
[08:41] <soulseeker> vader genuflects
[08:42] <Prest0o> soulseeker are you a bot¿?
[08:45] <soulseeker> can you link to the archive of something with the old realtime kernels
[08:48] <soulseeker> according the SwedeMike s link there is no realtime kernel from ubuntu
[08:49] <soulseeker> so before continuing the install I may as well drop it and use an old realtime kernel
[08:51] <Kyros> there is lowlatency whatever that is
[08:56] <A_D> you can also use sort -h to do that order, if you want it.
[08:56] <A_D> Also, I'm considering upgrading my Bionic install to Disco, there anything I should watch out for over that?
[08:59] <guiverc2> A_D, note: bionic (18.04) is only tested to upgrade to 18.10 (not skipping releases to 19.04), or to 20.04 (when released) - so if you go direct 18.04->19.04 you'll be outside of recommended & tested upgrade path
[09:01] <A_D> guiverc2: noted, will definitely go via 18.10 if I do
[09:03] <guiverc2> A_D, i'm not aware of anything; if you have problems I usually fix with re-install (using something-else & no-format of parts; that method would allow you to skip 18.10 as it erases system dirs & installs, then restores packages [if from ubuntu repos])
[09:03] <A_D> iiiiiinteresting. Decisions decisions
[09:11] <martind_> Hello guys
[09:13] <martind_> I have two questions related to each other: 1) What's the minimum of RAM (in GB) a normal ubuntu will run properly, as I have 2GB and its always at 94-96% if I have an application running. And 2) how can I setup s keyboard shortcut (if there isn't one) that will run a task killer of some sort even if the system is almost unresponsive?
[09:13] <martind_> Thanks a lot for the answers in advance
[09:15] <Mead> martind_: you can run a 32bit version on that 2gigs of ram.
[09:16] <martind_> Will it consume less memory though?
[09:17] <soulseeker> martind_ linux doesnt use much memory really
[09:17] <martind_> martind@martind-ubuntu:~$ uname -a
[09:17] <martind_> Linux martind-ubuntu 4.15.0-48-generic #51-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 3 08:28:49 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:17] <martind_> that's what I have
[09:18] <soulseeker> say 200 or 300 at login
[09:18] <martind_> Well... I'm in process of getting a new motherboard and memory (I have AMD FX 4100 here somewhere)
[09:18] <martind_> so I wonder where I should aim at ... I will be using it for Web Development mostly
[09:18] <soulseeker> you really dont need a swap file
[09:18] <martind_> so Steam is not a priority
[09:20] <soulseeker> what is steam a game software
[09:20] <martind_> yep
[09:20] <soulseeker> that isnt what you asked abour
[09:21] <soulseeker> each game has its own needs see the game specs
[09:21] <soulseeker> ubuntu isnt really great for gaming
[09:22] <martind_> yes, I'm not looking for gaming at all
[09:22] <soulseeker> you can run tux racer
[09:22] <martind_> I will be using it for Web Development
[09:22] <martind_> the other thing is the task manager keyboard shortcut
[09:23] <soulseeker> it is possible to run into a need for swap when doing webdevelopment
[09:23] <martind_> I've setup one that will run gnome-system-monitor
[09:23] <martind_> but it doesn't work when my system is frozen :(
[09:23] <martind_> Now I have on'y Skype and Polari running and it is at 85% of Mem
[09:23] <martind_> :(
[09:25] <soulseeker> hey SwedeMike that was a great link to share
[09:27] <soulseeker> SwedeMike: do you know ig the netinstaller offers low latency kernels
[09:27] <soulseeker> it had a list of hundred or more kernels I dont recall a lowlatency standing out
[09:28] <soulseeker> is that only in the studio repos
[09:28] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[09:34] <martind_> guys, anyone can help me with that ?
[09:36] <SwedeMike> mansaxel:/win 2
[09:36] <SwedeMike> oops
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | root
[09:44] <Guest23527> hello
[09:48] <mouses> Guest23527: You are IRCing as root, which is basically asking to get owned - I recommend you exit now, and run your IRC client as a user
[10:08] <ThatGuyMeho> anyone alive
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> ThatGuyMeho: ask a question please
[10:10] <ThatGuyMeho> i go into display settings on ubuntu 19.04 and i only see one option what happend to the rest
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> ThatGuyMeho: can you screenshot that please?
[10:11] <acerimmer> what did I do wrong?  xubuntu 16.04 (3 year life span) >>> 18.04.  I clean installed from USB, chose "something else" installed to the pre-existing partitions, set the same accounts and passwords as the pre-existing, did NOT format the /home.  However, upon booting, couldn't find or see the previous data.  BUT the data took still took up 11/12 gb of home as I expected.  Could not find those files anywhere in the system!  What the h -
[10:11] <acerimmer> e - double hockey sticks??
[10:11] <ThatGuyMeho> https://ibb.co/VMFdV0c
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> acerimmer: why did you not lts upgrade?
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> ThatGuyMeho: is your graphics card driver installed correctly? sudo lshw -C video?
[10:12] <ThatGuyMeho> ok one second
[10:12] <acerimmer> don't trust it to not overwrite my /home.  I've done LTS only since 14.04 with this method without issues up to this point, lotuspsychje
[10:13] <ThatGuyMeho> *-display                         description: VGA compatible controller        product: GF104GLM [Quadro 4000M]        vendor: NVIDIA Corporation        physical id: 0        bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0        version: a1        width: 64 bits        clock: 33MHz        capabilities: pm msi pciexpress vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom        configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0        resources: irq:38 memory:de000000-dfff
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> acerimmer: from a 18.04 usb, you can choose update from 16.04 to 18.04 or install 18.04 'next' to your existing 16.04
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> ThatGuyMeho: use a pastebin next time please
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> ThatGuyMeho: what gives: ubuntu-drivers list ?
[10:14] <ThatGuyMeho> ow sorry about that
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> acerimmer: so i guess, now you just clean installed and tryed to use your existing /home from xenial right?
[10:15] <ThatGuyMeho> ubuntu drivers list ??
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> ThatGuyMeho: yes, from a terminal please
[10:15] <ThatGuyMeho> how i am still new at this
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> ThatGuyMeho: click on the icon of a terminal window, (black square icon <_)
[10:17] <ThatGuyMeho> yes
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> ThatGuyMeho: now type; ubuntu-drivers list
[10:17] <ThatGuyMeho> and then
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> ThatGuyMeho: wich drivers are listed please?
[10:18] <ThatGuyMeho> only two options
[10:19] <ThatGuyMeho> nvidia-driver-390 and nvidia-340
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> ThatGuyMeho: ok, ca you go check in the icon software&sources/last tab additional drivers wich one is installed?
[10:21] <ThatGuyMeho> https://ibb.co/mcS78H0
[10:22] <The> hi
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> ThatGuyMeho: ok, change to 390 and reboot after its installed please
[10:22] <ThatGuyMeho> ok will do
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> ThatGuyMeho: if something goes wrong, use !nomodeset to enter your system again
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | ThatGuyMeho
[10:25] <ace_me> hi ! Which channel should I use for wifi ? I experience lot of wifi disconnects with openwrt 18.06
[10:25] <ace_me> I now use channel 11
[10:43] <acerimmer> lotuspsychje, i replaced 16.04 with 18.04 while attempting to retain /home
[11:08] <jeremy31> ace_me: It might be wifi power management causing the disconnects if you have a strong signal
[11:11] <gd-ogra> tomreyn, Thank you. Shout out to Tomreyn, On your suggestion I updated the firmware of my laptop and now it does not freeze anymore
[11:12] <tomreyn> :) glad it helped, gd-ogra
[11:12] <acerimmer> gd-ogra, the traditional appreciation is to send a !cookie to the person who helped.
[11:12] <zzlatev> what might be the reason that ubuntu installer doesn't run at all?
[11:13] <tomreyn> sun protuberances
[11:14] <gd-ogra> acerimmer, googling now about how to send a cookie, I am a newbie
[11:14] <acerimmer> !cookie | gd-ogra just like this
[11:14] <tomreyn> gd-ogra: no need, i have a cookie blocker anyways.
[11:15] <tomreyn> zzlatev: can you tell us more?
[11:16] <ace_me> -47 / 0 dBm jeremy31
[11:16] <ace_me> Signal / Noise
[11:17] <ace_me> channel 11
[11:17] <ace_me> transmit power 20 dBm
[11:17] <ace_me> 100mW
[11:20] <jeremy31> ace_me: post url from terminal for> cat /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:20] <swensson> Hello! I have ubuntu on a computer, is it possible to shrink my current OS and then format the drive to install another OS on it?
[11:20] <acerimmer> yes, swensson
[11:21] <acerimmer> gparted is the usual tool.  you'll want to make an ubuntu USB, boot from the USB, do the partitions then reboot
[11:21] <swensson> acerimmer, how can I shrink my current OS?
[11:21] <acerimmer> as I said above
[11:24] <ace_me1> I got disconnected if I do continue to download game updates or I do look at facebook movie
[11:24] <acerimmer> swensson, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/ResizingPartition
[11:24] <ace_me1> however few hours ago I do seen a video on my smart tv wo problems
[11:24] <gd-ogra> Can anyone please guide me, how can i setup hexchat to start automatically when i boot into ubuntu
[11:25] <ace_me1> but looks that from ubuntu 18 I do manage to see wifi dissapear
[11:25] <ace_me1> use thunderbird gd-ogra to have mail and chat integrated ?
[11:25] <tomreyn> gd-ogra: which ubuntu version, flavour?
[11:25] <cloudbud> how to restart logrotate service in ubuntu 18
[11:26] <gd-ogra> 19 latest
[11:26] <gd-ogra> tomreyn, 19
[11:26] <stuffi1234> hi
[11:26] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | gd-ogra, ace_me
[11:26] <ace_me> 18.06
[11:26] <ace_me> in my case
[11:27] <acerimmer> no such ubuntu release ace_me
[11:28] <gd-ogra> tomreyn, 19.04
[11:28] <ace_me> Description:	Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[11:28] <gd-ogra> sorry, for patience I am very new to ubuntu
[11:28] <stuffi1234> hello
[11:28] <tomreyn> gd-ogra: i assume you mean 19.04 since 19.10 is not released. click on activities or the dash button, then type: startup applications
[11:29] <tomreyn> gd-ogra: ah thanks for confirming 19.04
[11:31] <tomreyn> gd-ogra: in startup applications, you click on "add", then type "Hexchat" as the name, then click on "Browse", press ctrl-l and type /usr/bin/hexchat , then click on "open" top right, then "Add".
[11:31] <tomreyn> gd-ogra: when you then logout and ogin again, hexchat should start automatically.
[11:34] <cloudbud> how to restart logrotate in ubuntu18
[11:34] <gd-ogra> tomreyn, ive followed the instruction. Thank you again
[11:34] <gd-ogra> i am going to restart
[11:34] <gd-ogra> now
[11:35] <jeremy31> ace_me: post url from terminal for> cat /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:37] <ledeni> tomreyn, 'tweak' for gnome have option that you can set startup application too
[11:38] <tomreyn> ledeni: yes, good point, this actually makes it easier. it's just not installed by default.
[11:43] <ace_me> tried to upgrade / update and got disconnected few times
[11:46] <samthewildone> Is there a way to enable clicking icons from the dashboard to reopen an application that's minimized ?
[11:47] <samthewildone> as in windows, if you click to icon on the taskbar it brings back a minimized window
[11:47] <acerimmer> samthewildone, many ways.  do the google "minimize on click ubuntu"
[11:48] <samthewildone> I don't want to google.
[11:51] <samthewildone> found it, https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/04/how-to-enable-minimize-on-click-for.html
[11:51] <samthewildone> acerimmer, thanks -__-
[11:51] <acerimmer> happy2help!
[11:57] <gd-ogra> so happy, just setup hexchat on startup application and auto login with SASL(Whatever it means)
[11:58] <swensson> acerimmer, perfect. Thanks a lot for the information!
[12:01] <acerimmer> happy2help! swensson
[12:08] <tomreyn> gd-ogra: you probably missed this, or parts of it:   <ledeni> tomreyn, 'tweak' for gnome have option that you can set startup application too <tomreyn> ledeni: yes, good point, this actually makes it easier. it's just not installed by default.
[12:15] <masson> Hi
[13:21] <nekowaiidesu> hi all. newb question. what do i use to run something from std out? for example: echo "ls -la" | <what do i pipe here for ls -la to be executed?>
[13:23] <Darmock> echo "ls -la" | sh   -  but why not just run "ls -la"?
[13:23] <nekowaiidesu> sh!! thankyou
[13:24] <nekowaiidesu> darmock im playing with dmenu. i want to use something like: history | dmenu -l 50 | xargs sh -
[13:24] <Darmock> ah so you can interactively run a command from the history?
[13:25] <nekowaiidesu> exactly!
[13:25] <Darmock> i would just use reverse search but if you're just *playing* then.. :)
[13:28] <pragmaticenigma> nekowaiidesu: for reference though, the key combination "Ctrl + R" activates a search through bash history. Start typing part of the command and you will see the closest matching result. the more you provide, the closer you will get to your previous command.
[13:28] <nekowaiidesu> tbh im using fish at the moment which autocompleted history lol. dmenu is new to me and the novelty is fun :P
[13:30] <blackflow> I use ""\e[A":history-search-backward"  in .inputrc for that. Arrow up autocompletes from what I've typed so far (usually first few letters)
[13:30] <blackflow> and "\e[B":history-search-forward   for arrow down
[13:39] <stoned> how to upgrade from 16 to 18 lts?
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | stoned
[13:40] <stoned> its a swerver vps sir
[13:40] <stoned> server*
[13:40] <stoned> ok
[13:40] <stoned> I should probably create a backup image of my server before I try the upgrade in case anything goes wrong
[13:41] <blackflow> stoned: definitely.
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> stoned: whats your kernel version like?
[13:41] <stoned> 4.4.0-128-generic #154-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 25 14:15:18 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> stoned: current official xenial kernel is  4.4.0.146.154
[13:43] <stoned> Yeah, I want to go to a new ubuntu lts
[13:43] <stoned> 18.04 I think
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> stoned: think you better talk with your vps then or clean instal
[13:44] <stoned> it's okay
[13:44] <stoned> next time I spin a server i'll use vagratn and rackspcae as my provider.
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> stoned: cause lts upgrading the official way from that kernel, not sure how that will result..
[13:44] <stoned> im tired of manual setups
[13:46] <stoned> Actually
[13:46] <stoned> I'm gonna leave it at 16
[13:47] <stoned> I'll setup a new instance with a config manager.
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> stoned: did you see if its up to date?
[13:47] <stoned> it is
[13:47] <stoned> it won't update my kernel, I have the latest it seems
[13:47] <nabukadnezar43> anyone using gnu octave? gui freezes on me on startup, are there any workarounds?
[13:48] <stoned> In July 2014, Rackspace introduced a minimum support fee of $50 for all new accounts to offset the rising cost of providing Fanatical Support. Legacy accounts like yours were unaffected by this change, keeping your previous rate without a support fee for the past four years. Effective February 2019, you will see the addition of a $10 support fee on your invoice.
[13:48] <stoned> o/ me shakes a fist!
[13:48] <blackflow> stoned: I wouldn't go with RS
[13:48] <stoned> $10, for fanatical support?I rarely call you!
[13:48] <stoned> man, my previous co. is still paying for my servers, so it's free for me
[13:48] <stoned> 1 vps, 100 bucks a month.
[13:48] <stoned> It's ridiculous.
[13:48] <blackflow> we used to use RS and then left because their "fanatical support" is a sham. it is NO better than support you get at DO, Linode, Hetzner, Leaseweb, ....    but you pay for it.
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> stoned: come to #ubuntu-discuss for discussions
[13:49] <stoned> ok
[13:49] <blackflow> I'm in #ubuntu-discuss if you need more input on this :)
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> nabukadnezar43: best way to get issues solved, is full details, pastebins, ubuntu version, kernel version, package versions, etc..volunteers can think along better
[13:51] <nabukadnezar43> lotuspsychje, well i'm on ubuntu budgie 19.04 using gnu octave 4.4.1 from official repos
[13:51] <nabukadnezar43> lotuspsychje, when i launch octave from terminal it gives no output
[13:52] <nabukadnezar43> it launches but gui freezes and shows black squares
[13:53] <nabukadnezar43> it becomes unresponsive
[13:53] <nabukadnezar43> octave-cli doesn't have any problems at all
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> nabukadnezar43: did you try launch the gui from terminal, maybe also tail -f /var/log/syslog ?
[13:54] <nabukadnezar43> yes i tried it gave me literally no output
[13:54] <nabukadnezar43> let me check syslog
[13:58] <martind_> Hello All, I want to install Skype on 32bit Ubuntu-Budgie. How can I do that nowadays?
[13:58] <leftyfb> martind_: try sudo snap install skype
[13:58] <nabukadnezar43> lotuspsychje, "budgie-wm.desktop[1653]: Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0x4200006 specified for 0x420000a."
[13:58] <nabukadnezar43> just after i started octave gui
[13:58] <leftyfb> martind_: though, I can't imagine Microsoft is still developing 32bit versions of it
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> nabukadnezar43: dont think thats crucial to it
[13:59] <martind_> leftyfb: Yep. It is saying that i386 is not available already.
[13:59] <martind_> only amd64
[13:59] <martind_> how can I find something priory 2018 where the i386.deb file will be OK to run?
[14:03] <rufito_regalon> hello guys, have you seen this issue after restart ubuntu
[14:03] <rufito_regalon> https://pasteboard.co/IcGT5Bl.png
[14:06] <mf_> hi how can i add windows to grub screen
[14:06] <lordcirth__> mf_, os-prober
[14:07] <mf_> thats it?
[14:07] <mf_> on terminal right?
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> rufito_regalon: a bit more details please, your ubuntu version? system up to date? kernel version? upgrade, clean install?
[14:07] <mf_> i've just installed the last version
[14:08] <mf_> i've tried i hope it will work
[14:08] <mf_> thank you
[14:09] <rufito_regalon> system up now _)
[14:21] <angryWolf> Hello. I am a little worried about my DVB PCIe Card DVBSky S950.   After fresh install it all worked fine. I copy the driver to /lib/firmware and Kaffeine was running, have found all channels. Later i tried to install TVheadend and Kodi.  Symply if the Service tvheadend is stopped, will kaffeine report that the Card with "Montage Technology..." is not connected.  Tvheadend can't find any DVB inputs.  Any suggestion?
[14:22] <leftyfb> angryWolf: you might have better luck asking in #kodi
[14:24] <angryWolf> thx leftyb
[14:24] <angryWolf> thx leftyfb
[14:58] <zetheroo> when copying data from an SMB share to a local disk there is this initial time it takes 'Preparing to copy ...' in Nautilus when I guess it's indexing the data. With large amounts of data it takes a really long time for this to pre-copy stage to finish. Is there a way to disable this indexing feature?
[15:01] <phobosoph> hi
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> zetheroo: Use the terminal to perform the copy... It might be worth looking into mounting the remote share as well
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> zetheroo: The time it is taking is attempting to determine the file file sizes to give make the progress bar accurate during the actual transfer
[15:02] <zetheroo> pragmaticenigma: that doesn't answer my question though.
[15:02] <zetheroo> pragmaticenigma: I know I can use rsync via the terminal, but there too (without any progress bar) it takes just as long to get started actually copying the data over.
[15:03] <zetheroo> If I use rsync directly copying the data over SSH it start almost instantly and is quite a bit faster as well
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> zetheroo: You're dealing with two very different protocols and different approaches to obtaining the meta data about the files
[15:06] <zetheroo> samba takes nearly 5 min to start the copying of data and copies at @10MB/s, whereas copying straight over SSH begins within 2 seconds and copies at @20MB/s
[15:07] <zetheroo> So the question is... why is SMB so slow and can anything be done to make it faster?
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> zetheroo: There is nothing that can be done here, other than what you have already discovered to allow you faster transfers. The issue is samba has a lot of overhead, it's in how the protocol was developed. You would have to ask the Samba project teams on the mechanics of the protocol and what they recommend to make the process faster.
[15:09] <zetheroo> Ok
[15:09] <newdimension> Are ssh-agent and gnome-keyring at odds? Wondering if both should be running, or whether it should be one or the other
[15:10] <grym> i just updated to 19.04, and the cursor changes shape now when  mouse over links.  How do i turn this off, it is annoying
[15:10] <Exterminador> hello guys. I'm trying to install Ubuntu server on my desktop. but as I don't have ethernet (?) cable connected it doesn't also seem to find the WiFi card.. is there any way to make it work with WiFi?
[15:12] <leftyfb> Exterminador: Try the mini.iso
[15:16] <Exterminador> leftyfb: are you talking about the network installer?
[15:16] <leftyfb> Exterminador: yes. I think it might let you connect to wifi
[15:17] <SimonNL> well if the ethernet cable is around why not just connect it?
[15:18] <Exterminador> SimonNL: I don't have one. it's a laptop tho
[15:18] <Exterminador> leftyfb: I'll give it a spin, thank you
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> newdimension: You will have to provide more detail or pastebin a log file to help exemplify the behavior you are seeing.
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> grym: You'll need to be more descriptive of the behavior you're seeing versus the bahvior you expect
[15:22] <newdimension> pragmaticenigma: That was just a question: whether I'm supposed to have gnome-keyring running if ssh-agent is running. The issue though is that I keep getting prompted for my ssh password every 5min or so. I'm trying to track the source https://dpaste.de/bDr3
[15:25] <pragmaticenigma> newdimension: ssh-agent is strictly for managing keys for SSH connections. gnome-keyring is a keyring to store credentials for everything that supports it. from the log, it looks like a password changed or credential changed, and gnome-keyring is having trouble syncronizing its credential with ssh-agent
[15:26] <newdimension> pragmaticenigma: This started after I upgraded 16 => 18. How can I sync keyring with ssh-agent?
[15:27] <jcotton> !yy.mm | newdimension
[15:27] <Exterminador> stupid question: on the mini.iso it asks for a ESSID. what the hell is that?
[15:28] <newdimension> Correction 16 => 19.04
[15:28] <jcotton> 16 what?
[15:28] <jcotton> Exterminador: I think that's just the name of your wifi network?
[15:29] <Exterminador> as I see it in my other laptop? like SFR_4B68?
[15:29] <sinon> hai
[15:29] <jcotton> should be
[15:29] <newdimension> 16.04 LTS
[15:29] <Exterminador> nvm.. the WiFi switch was off -_-
[15:30] <Exterminador> what a dumb
[15:30] <lordcirth__> Exterminador, lol
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> newdimension: When you did your upgrade, what path did you use to get there? 16.04 => ??.?? => ??.?? => 19.04
[15:31] <Exterminador> lordcirth__: happens to the beats xD
[15:33] <Exterminador> bests*
[15:33] <Exterminador> why am I dyslexic today?
[15:33] <Exterminador> just another question: I assume that the server installer will install in the whole disk, no matter if it's partitioned?
[15:33] <newdimension> pragmaticenigma: This is a VM so I forgot the details. My final answer is Ubuntu 18.04 LTS to Ubuntu 19.04
[15:34] <jcotton> Exterminador: you're asked
[15:34] <jcotton> iirc
[15:35] <ducasse> Exterminador: you can setup partitions from the installer
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> newdimension: Those details could be the difference between a working machine and the issue oyu have now. So... Restore your back up... and if you started at 16.04, upgrade to 18.04, then switch to the "normal" channel, upgrade to 18.10, then upgrade to 19.04
[15:36] <newdimension> I don't have a backup. Is there another way to troubleshoot this?
[15:38] <lordcirth__> newdimension, it's a VM and you don't have a snapshot?
[15:39] <Exterminador> all is going smoothly now. thanks for the tips folks!
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> !yay
[15:39] <lordcirth__> newdimension, I would copy the data off, and make a new 19.04 VM
[15:40] <newdimension> lordcirth__: I don't have a snapshot. I'm curious though, isn't there anything I can try to get rid of the issue? For instance running ssh-add on the keys stopped the notifications for a good while. But it came back, so I want to understand what's happening
[15:41] <lordcirth__> newdimension, honestly I haven't really been following your issue. I just don't see why you would upgrade in place instead of fresh-installing 19.04, since it's a VM anyway?
[15:41] <neverville> So, I have an 170GB volume as ext4, but when I try to write anything into it, it says permission denied, how do I use this volume.
[15:42] <lordcirth__> neverville, change the directory permissions to allow your user to write to it.
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> newdimension: without knowing the upgrade path, there is no baseline for us to use to figure out where the issue came up.
[15:42] <lordcirth__> For example, using chown, or the "properties" window in nautilus
[15:42] <newdimension> pragmaticenigma: I was trying to find a log for gnome-keyring. Wouldn't it at least say why it failed?
[15:43] <neverville> lordcirth__, I can't see any visible permissions in that volume I am linking my fdisl -l output here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xF2ctbMXfq/
[15:43] <ducasse> !permissions | neverville
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> newdimension: you could see if anything is logged to the .xsessions log file in ~/.xsession-errors
[15:46] <lordcirth__> neverville, permissions are not on partitions, they are on the filesystem. You need to look at the mountpoint permissions.
[15:47] <newdimension> pragmaticenigma: Only seemingly relevant line, but can't be sure since there's no timestamp. dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GPG_AGENT_INFO=/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1
[15:49] <neverville> lordcirth__, so that 170GB volume is mountable but how do I permananently have it without mounting it everytime?
[15:50] <lordcirth__> !fstab | neverville
[15:57] <newdimension> Any other place I can find gnome-keyring error logs?
[15:57] <Exterminador> now, I'm a bit stuck: on the Software selection, I should choose what? Basic Ubuntu server?
[15:57] <lordcirth__> Exterminador, is that what you want?
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> Exterminador: I think there are a few options, could you list them? I don't remember what they were
[15:57] <lordcirth__> Exterminador, you probably want ssh
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> newdimension: I think the channel is out of ideas. The suggestions so far are to install a new VM with 19.04, or restore a snap shot/backup (which you mentioned do not exist)
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> lordcirth__: They're attempting to install Ubuntu Server edition
[16:00] <Exterminador> pragmaticenigma, lordcirth__: there are a few options. I want just a server (no GUI tho). so, OpenSSH server and Basic Ubuntu server?
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> Exterminador: That's the reason I asked for all the server options... that should be enough, but there might be a better choice in the list
[16:00] <lordcirth__> Exterminador, yes, basic + openssh will get you going
[16:00] <lordcirth__> Everything else can be installed after
[16:01] <lordcirth__> There are options for KVM/libvirt, LXD, etc
[16:01] <Exterminador> the rest is very much related to DE's and LAMP, etc
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> Exterminador: Okay, the main thing I'm hoping you can avoid is having NetworkManagerCLI get installed
[16:04] <newdimension> pragmaticenigma: Running ssh-add on the private keys solves it, at least for a while. If I figure out why, I'll let the channel know
[16:07] <Exterminador> pragmaticenigma: that can be uninstalled/replaced later, right?
[16:07] <Exterminador> I mean, I need to use WiFi instead ethernet
[16:11] <SchrodingersScat> Exterminador: If your goal was a ubuntu server on wifi, then if it's working through setup I would think it would keep working.
[16:13] <Exterminador> SchrodingersScat: that's the idea. and yes, it's working during setup.
[16:14] <Exterminador> my internet decided to be stupid and I'm having low speeds today. -_-
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> Exterminador: There are two network management programs, depending on if you install Desktop or Server... NetworkManager is installed on Desktops and those without GUI would get the NetworkManagerCLI version
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> Exterminador: I can't recall what Server uses... in either case they're just front ends to the actual network management layer
[16:20] <ducasse> server uses networkd, i think
[16:21] <Exterminador> and what's netplan, after all?
[16:23] <ducasse> netplan is just for config management
[16:26] <BluesKaj> netplan just points ro NM anyway
[16:26] <BluesKaj> to
[16:27] <Exterminador> well, server is installed and works properly (at least for now)
[16:27] <ducasse> or networkd
[16:30] <lynyx> hi
[16:31] <lordcirth__> lynyx, hi
[16:33] <SchrodingersScat> Exterminador: yay! enjoy!
[16:34] <lynyx> does the grub part installed in the boot secter keep any info of the os installed? if i install another distro, will it load fine?
[16:35] <kadiro> lynyx, I don't think so
[16:36] <kadiro> it will load fine yes in general
[16:40] <lynyx> i will make a backup of the distro installed, the partition, so with it having the boot folder i guess it will load fine again, but im not sure if the boot sector in the hdd could have info of the previous distro and could fail to find it if modified by the new distro
[16:43] <lynyx> new distro would probably overwrite the boot sector grub, but i like to know if it keeps info of the distro installed, its location and any other data
[16:43] <SchrodingersScat> lynyx: are you overwriting the existing distro?
[16:45] <SchrodingersScat> lynyx: I can't vouch for if every distro would recognize existing installations and keep it in the bootloader, but I have seen his behavior when installed side-by-side with 'most' times I've tried.
[16:45] <SchrodingersScat> !backups
[16:47] <lynyx> SchrodingersScat, yes. the existing distro will be replaced by a new installation
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> lynyx: If the other distribution is on its own partition, it will be preserved and added to grub. If you are attempting to install two distributions to the same partition, no, the previous distro will not be available
[16:48] <SchrodingersScat> lynyx: then I wouldn't expect the new grub to have anything about it.  I could be wrong.
[16:48] <lynyx> same partition for more than one distro
[16:49] <pragmaticenigma> You can't install more than one distro on the same partition
[16:49] <lordcirth__> *without shenanigans
[16:49] <SchrodingersScat> I feel like a lot of things would be edited by whatever the last distro you installed was, so going back to distro A would be perplexing.
[16:50] <lynyx> i would restore them from image, but i just fear i could have problems with the grub on the boot sector on the hdd, same hdd of course
[16:50] <pragmaticenigma> It is theoretically possible, however, you would be spending a lot of time modifying the system to point into different directories for software and kernel images, you wouldn't have a stable system
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> lynyx: The short answer is one distro per partition. Each distribution needs at minimum on it's partition, and it is not recommended to share partitions between the distro as different versions and configurations can corrupt the other distributions implementations
[16:52] <kadiro> lynyx, if the same hdd thats fine, i have xubuntu and debian in the same hdd, no problem with grub, I even installed grub for both ( to test ) everything looks good
[16:52] <SchrodingersScat> lynyx: if you can get a full disk image then that can help.  I'm not great at recovering grub though :^)  Like there are tips online about how to try to copy it correctly.  Although I only imaged my own disks in my younger, more vulnerable, days.  Now I just rsync anything I think is important into backups and format the machine.
[16:52] <lynyx> the distros wouldnt be installad together, i mean they would be deleted when reinstalled, its a partition reinstallation
[16:53] <pragmaticenigma> lynyx: None of what you just said, made any sense to me
[16:54] <SchrodingersScat> short answer: no, grub & mbr will have no memory of the distros that were on the machine.  Back those up if you want them later.
[16:57] <lynyx> thats what i thought could happen, since grub config could only be kept in the boot folder of the os, its partition, not on the boot sector of the hdd, but wasnt sure and needed to avoid the reinstallation of grub with every swap of distros i may try on that same partition
[16:58] <pragmaticenigma> lynyx: that theory is incorrect
[17:01] <pragmaticenigma> lynyx: The simple answer is, without any specific modification to the installation decisions made each distribution will replace the contents of the disk with its own setup. With each installation, unless steps are taken to preserve the existing installed os, all previous data on the disk will be removed and replaced by the new operating system.
[17:01] <ducasse> lynyx: why think about this at all? reinstalling grub is so easy
[17:07] <lynyx> ducasse, because i dont want to mness with grub, and want to prevent any errors when loading linux or win. just wanted to know if it could fail, and specifically if the part of grub installed on the boot sector could keep info of the os
[17:07] <lynyx> reinstalling grub should fix any problem
[17:07] <lynyx> i got hold a super grub disk
[17:08] <lynyx> which seems to be a nice live cd or image for that matter
[17:10] <lynyx> i will know later when i give a try to mx linux, a popular distro these days
[17:11] <lynyx> debian based, but i am not sure if ubuntu's apps will work fine with it
[17:12] <pragmaticenigma> lynyx: In the future, please use the ##linux channel for general linux installation and setup questions. This channel only supports Ubuntu and other official Ubuntu flavors (see !flavors). Debian support is in #debian
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> lynyx: Apps provided through Ubuntu are only tested and designed to work with Ubuntu. Same goes for Debian apps. Ubuntu and Debian are not the same OSes and you should not be mixing packages from other distros.
[17:21] <zette> http://tinyurl.com/y2kde2ge
[17:22] <leftyfb> zette: can we help you with something?
[17:22] <zette> Sure
[17:23] <leftyfb> nobody click on that link
[17:23] <zette> :'v
[17:24] <dax> zette: i strongly recommend that if you have a good explanation for pasting a phishing link in here, you tell us what it is now
[17:24] <leftyfb> zette: you are welcome to leave now and never return
[17:24] <zette> Sorry bro, I just try to safety, :)
[17:25] <leftyfb> zette: I'll also be reporting to your host
[17:25] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | zette is posting phishing scams (root@118.96.173.241)
[17:25]  * dax looks at previous message, looks at list of nicks in ops factoid, shrugs
[17:26]  * jeremy31 does the same
[17:30] <JonelethIrenicus> what is wrong with firewalld on new install of Ubuntu?
[17:31] <JonelethIrenicus> FATAL ERROR: No IPv4 and IPv6 firewall.
[17:31] <leftyfb> JonelethIrenicus: there should be more errors than that. Please use pastebin
[17:32] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firewalld/+bug/1826187
[17:32] <ioria> JonelethIrenicus, check the last comment
[17:33] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MZ87zFKmg9/
[17:33] <JonelethIrenicus> ioria: ahh i see
[17:34] <JonelethIrenicus> i have been running into so many bugs lately
[17:34] <lynyx> yes, i have a few on xubuntu too
[17:35] <lynyx> alsamixer doesnt keep volume changes, i have to keep adjusting them with every reboot
[17:36] <JonelethIrenicus> basically iptables doesn't even work in Ubuntu
[17:36] <JonelethIrenicus> ?
[17:36] <JonelethIrenicus> Isn't this a pretty giant bug?
[17:37] <ioria> JonelethIrenicus, no, that app looks in the wrong path
[17:38] <JonelethIrenicus> Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS specific app some how managed to get into the repos with no testing?
[17:38] <leftyfb> JonelethIrenicus: iptables works just fine. If you read the bug, your "firewalld" wrapper for iptables has a bug which has been reported and will get resolved
[17:38] <JonelethIrenicus> I thought things got tested more?
[17:39] <JonelethIrenicus> im just learning but I thought you would have a unit test for things like this
[17:39] <ioria> it's in universe
[17:39] <pc_magas> Hello I am usung Ubuntu MATE 18.04 and I have issues inserting the Japaneese Input Language method via anthy. I have Installed the fctix and fctix-anthy and configured it via fctix input mehod but I do not know how I switch into the anthy input method.
[17:40] <JonelethIrenicus> ioria: i guess i dont know much about the differences between repos like that
[17:40] <JonelethIrenicus> so universe gets no testing?
[17:40] <pc_magas> I can switch between Greek and English via Alt+Shift but noit into Japaneese.
[17:40] <dax> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories goes through it, see especially the Universe section in there
[17:40] <ioria> JonelethIrenicus, community maintained
[17:40] <JonelethIrenicus> dax thanks
[17:40] <JonelethIrenicus> ioria: i see
[17:40] <JonelethIrenicus> hmm seems like it should at least be tested if it runs
[17:41] <dax> a lot of it's just pulled in from Debian with effectively zero changes
[17:41] <JonelethIrenicus> i see
[17:43] <adac> Guys I try to install the nextcloud package via ppa:nextcloud-devs/client
[17:43] <adac> but on installation I get:
[17:43] <adac> nextcloud-client : Depends: libnextcloudsync0 (= 2.5.2-20190319.015224~bionic1) but it is not going to be installed
[17:43] <adac> any ideas?
[17:44] <ioria> pc_magas, nothing against Mate, but it's not well integrated with ibus... can you install ubntu-desktop ? (i mean gnome-shell)
[17:44] <leftyfb> adac: you'll have to contact the maintainer of that ppa. PPA's aren't supported here.
[17:44] <leftyfb> adac: but a hint might be an incompatibility with the version of ubuntu you're runnung
[17:44] <pc_magas> ioria, switches into fctix and I do not use iBus
[17:44] <leftyfb> running*
[17:44] <pc_magas> ioria, switcheδ
[17:45] <pc_magas> ioria, switched*
[17:45] <ioria> i see :P
[17:45] <pc_magas> Thus any configuration will be againist fctix.
[17:45]  * westor gia ton poutso naxame na legame...
[17:46] <kadiro> pc_magas, I found something may be interesting to you: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=245807
[17:46] <leftyfb> !gr | westor
[17:46] <adac> leftyfb, thanks!
[17:47] <westor> sry wrong channel
[17:48] <sparty258> what happens when you type a ppa in a terminal and then type it in again? will it add it twice
[17:49] <lynyx> bye
[17:49] <leftyfb> sparty258: I do not think it will
[17:50] <sparty258> ok, thank you
[17:50] <analogical> where is the media folder located?
[17:51] <leftyfb> analogical: wherever you configure your "media" directory. By default, there is a /media directory used for gvfs mounts in gnome
[17:52] <adac> leftyfb, some old xenial packages not removed  blocked the intsallation for 18.04
[17:52] <adac> now it is working
[18:06] <leonardus> near future! https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ipX7jMIP/image.png
[18:06] <leonardus> is that ever going to happen?
[18:07] <tomreyn> leonardus: if your support question is whether this has happened, yet, then no.
[18:08] <tomreyn> if this isn't a support question then it's off-topic
[18:08] <leonardus> my support question is whether ubuntu has plans for that to happen
[18:09] <tomreyn> support questions will relate to existing installations. future releases are none yuo will have installed, so it's not a support question. also, anyone here could only speculate about it anyways.
[18:10] <tomreyn> there's #ubuntu+1 to discuss the single next release
[18:24] <gimpnixon> Hi everyone, I have a question about Caja file manager. actually all file managers basically at this point because i have tried a few. This is however about Ubuntu mate but i come here in hopes you could possibly help because ther isn't really anyone in the other chanel. I haven't been able to move or rename ay files in any file manager without it crashing. Any ideas? i've ran all updates and have tried
[18:24] <gimpnixon> reinstall the file managers as well
[18:30] <pc_magas> In Ubuntu MATE edition for some reason I have issues with input methods that do not support xkb for example anthy. For some reason a xconflict is generated and I needed to remove any other such as fctix.
[18:30] <pc_magas> Thus do you know how to disable any xkb input method and enable other types such as fctix or iBus ones in Ubuntu MATE?
[18:31] <gimpnixon> I am sorry i am unfamiliar with that.
[18:34] <lordcirth__> gimpnixon, does mv work on the command line? What if you run the file managers from the command line, do they output anything as they crash?
[18:36] <gimpnixon> Nothing outputs on crash when ran from command line and mv works as normal
[18:38] <lordcirth__> gimpnixon, what Ubuntu version?
[18:39] <gimpnixon> Ubuntu 19.04
[18:39] <gimpnixon> disco
[18:39] <felco> sup guys, let me ask this here: I want to move my computer to another room, but I not sure if I can extend the power/reset switch with a wire, it needs to be like 13ft long(4 meters), any ideias here? Would be nice to have a catchall thingy to get video/usb/switchs that long =P
[18:41] <felco> I`m sorry, I should ask this on the offtopic
[18:44] <gimpnixon> Nothing is stopping you from extending your reset/power switch if you have the electrical knowledge to put wired together from my understanding. but there is risk involved in splitting ay wires of course.
[18:45] <gimpnixon> Why would you need your reset / power switch in another room, out of curiosity
[18:45] <felco> I want to move the computer off the desk, to another room
[18:47] <tomreyn> indeed off topic. i'd be happy to discuss this elsewhere. maybe in ##hardware ?
[18:47] <felco> I'm there already haha
[18:56] <muchacho> hi
[18:58] <muchacho> i have a laptop running ubuntu and i'd like to know if there's a way of changing power plans like in windows. I have found some answers online but they're all really old. I also haven't found anything in the ubuntu wiki. Can anyone help ?
[19:00] <gimpnixon> OK i am back will be switching between consoles to try another user.
[19:03] <lordcirth__> muchacho, install powertop and tlp, perhaps?
[19:03] <gimpnixon> What ere you mention with the LANG=C command you were having me issue with the packages taht could no longer be updated?
[19:04] <muchacho> should i install both ? Because both are o installed.
[19:04] <muchacho> *not
[19:08] <swift110> hey muchacho
[19:09] <necrophcodr> Hi everyone
[19:10] <swift110> hey necrophcodr
[19:10] <necrophcodr> I'm using Ubuntu 18.10 with an AMD Radeon RX 580, and when I go to suspend and boot it back up, the load shoots straight up from ~1.5 before suspend, to around 10
[19:10] <necrophcodr> Then it just sits there
[19:10] <necrophcodr> Naturally everything is slow in this state
[19:11] <necrophcodr> I've noticed that in `dmesg` i get a lot of these: Workqueue: events hdmi_repoll_eld [snd_hda_codec_hdmi]
[19:11] <necrophcodr> followed by a call trace
[19:11] <oft_gegong> should I get xubuntu 18.04 or xubuntu 19.04?
[19:11] <necrophcodr> is there anything i can do to mitigate this?
[19:11] <lordcirth__> oft_gegong, depends, do you want the latest software, at the cost of needing to upgrade again every 6 months?
[19:12] <lordcirth__> necrophcodr, did you run ubuntu-drivers?
[19:12] <necrophcodr> lordcirth__, no, i just use the open source drivers
[19:12] <oft_gegong> necrophcodr: dmesg | grep -v hdmi_repoll > new_dmesgs.txt; less new_dmesgs.txt #filter the output and view the filtered-out file
[19:13] <necrophcodr> oft_gegong, that just removes that line. there's still a lot of call traces, and they're not for no reason.
[19:13] <necrophcodr> this is an issue that i'd like to find a solution to, not ignore while my pc is at a load of 10
[19:14] <necrophcodr> almost right after coming back from suspend, i get a bunch of the following in `dmesg`:
[19:14] <necrophcodr> snd_hda_codec_hdmi hdaudioC1D0: HDMI ATI/AMD: no speaker allocation for ELD
[19:14] <necrophcodr> note that i do not use HDMI for audio, only for display
[19:14] <necrophcodr> and i have no need for audio over hdmi
[19:15] <necrophcodr> i also have radeon.audio=1 set in my /etc/default/grub, but i'm unsure if it's doing anything or not
[19:15] <necrophcodr> sorry that's `radeon.audio=0`
[19:15] <oft_gegong> necrophcodr: I feel 95% sorry for you. That's awful lol
[19:17] <necrophcodr> i have also just now created a file in /etc/modprobe.d for blacklisting the snd_hda_codec_hdmi module if possible, but i don't have any idea if that's smart or really dumb
[19:18] <dax> necrophcodr: if you're not using HDMI for audio, blacklisting that module won't harm anything (i'm not on a linux box currently, so can't test if it would actually help anything)
[19:20] <dax> wouldn't surprise me if there are some bugs with the amdgpu HDMI implementation still. the code's not very old (about a year i think? not sure) and changes a lot
[19:21] <necrophcodr> the problem of course is that it's not easy to test
[19:21] <necrophcodr> blacklisting an in-use module means restarting is required, but i still have to put the pc into suspend
[19:21] <necrophcodr> and even then, it's not a guarantee that it'll happen
[19:21] <necrophcodr> so it's not great reproducability
[19:22] <necrophcodr> i'll hang out here a bit longer to see if anything pops up, otherwise i'll test it and we'll see
[19:23] <gimpnixon> @tomreyn
[19:23] <tomreyn> gimpnixon: ?
[19:24] <necrophcodr> it seems related to the amdgpu drivers
[19:24] <necrophcodr> playing youtube videos is just not happening
[19:24] <necrophcodr> the system is somewhat smooth to operate still, and commands are executed just fine (and the temps are low as well), but trying to play video doesn't work
[19:24] <necrophcodr> it just freezes forever
[19:26] <necrophcodr> in fact the firefox process completely froze trying to play the youtube video
[19:28] <texla> Slow boot of 18.04.2 would one of these entries cause slowness https://pastebin.com/r4GywRCk
[19:33] <gvvg_> Hi everyone - I see a process and it runs on startup of my server - I was wondering how I could find out where it is run from so I can change a parameter
[19:33] <gvvg_> it runs as a particular user
[19:35] <oft_gegong> hmmmmmm...do you know the name of the process gvvg_? My 13%guess would be to spot it with `systemctl' and then find its config files in /etc/ with `find' and/or `grep'
[19:35] <gvvg_> it's an ssh session
[19:35] <gvvg_> ssh -T -o BatchMode=yes 216.252.64.43 /usr/local/sbin/freeside-selfservice-clientd
[19:35] <gvvg_> the IP address needs to change but I can't find where it is
[19:35] <gvvg_> it runs as user freeside
[19:35] <oft_gegong> grep in /etc/ for it
[19:36] <gvvg_> got it!
[19:36] <gvvg_> thanks
[19:37] <gvvg_> in /etc/default there was a file that set the variable
[19:37] <gvvg_> uuugh
[19:43] <necrophcodr> I've rebooted now, but the snd_hda_codec_hdmi driver is loaded regardless of blacklisting.
[19:43] <necrophcodr> As I'm on 18.10 I'll probably try upgrading to 19.04 and see if it does any good. Perhaps a later version of the driver will help?
[19:50] <oft_gegong> necrophcodr: sudo apt upgrade?
[19:51] <oft_gegong> necrophcodr: modprobe -r snd_hda_codec_hdmi #don't quote me, but removing it might help?
[19:53] <necrophcodr> oft_gegong, the module cannot be removed as it is in use
[19:53] <necrophcodr> my system is fully up to date
[19:53] <victorqueiroz> Hi, guys. How stable is Ubuntu right now? And how is support of proprietary drivers for AMD GPU?
[19:54] <victorqueiroz> I'm mostly concerned about having to reinstall the whole system right after each update version update.
[19:54] <oft_gegong> victorqueiroz: 98% stable. 98% supports AMD GPU drivers.
[19:55] <dax> victorqueiroz: fglrx doesn't work in modern Linux distros and should be avoided. amdgpu-pro is for specialized users (OpenCL etc.) and is useless for normal people. So, there is no "proprietary driver", just amdgpu (or radeon for old cards)
[19:56] <dax> and both amdgpu and radeon are mainline kernel modules, so no reinstalling needed
[19:56] <victorqueiroz> dax: What'd you personally say about AMD GPU OS drivers? I mean, does it suck?
[19:56] <dax> victorqueiroz: i have an RX480. performance under Windows and Linux are basically the same for me
[19:56] <necrophcodr> I'm currently using an AMD Radeon RX 580 and it's working really really well
[19:57] <oft_gegong> that's exciting
[19:57] <victorqueiroz> That's actually really good news, guys. Thank you!
[19:57] <necrophcodr> I'm having some problems with suspend though.
[19:57] <necrophcodr> But that could be my setup.
[19:57] <dax> (obviously results will vary for different cards and different software)
[19:57] <victorqueiroz> about reinstallation, I remember of having some problems like: Having to reinstall the whole system after an major upgrade. How often does it happen?
[19:58] <necrophcodr> unless you modify your system configurations, it shouldn't really happen
[19:58] <dax> using a bunch of third-party PPAs and following random instructions from blog posts tends to increase probability of failure
[19:58] <dax> i don't do either, and upgrades tend to work fine
[19:59] <victorqueiroz> dax: I see. when was the last time you reinstalled your system?
[20:00] <oft_gegong> victorqueiroz: I always prep my system to not needing huge upgrades (like say 14.04 to 18.04). I don't even know if that's possible. I mean init.d to systemd setup? I'd be better off just saving my stuff to a FAT32 partition on some thumb drive and remove all partitions and upgrade starting at 0.
[20:01] <DalekSec> 11.04 beta, 20110413.2 for me.  Not using random repos and reading the details of the upgrade seem to help.
[20:04] <victorqueiroz> I can't boot the installer with my AMD gpu. It just sprint the cooler once and keeps stuck on black screen
[20:04] <victorqueiroz> 😐
[20:04] <victorqueiroz> Now it booted :)
[20:04] <victorqueiroz> But it's stuck. Meaning that I can't move the mouse or hit any key. Numlock is also not toggling
[20:06] <oft_gegong> I know this feels like sin. But I'm in love with Linux Mint 17.4/Xubuntu 14.04/Ubuntu 14.04. It's so sad that it's EOLed
[20:08] <victorqueiroz> Do I have to install ubuntu without my AMD graphics card?
[20:08] <oft_gegong> victorqueiroz: so you USB booted into the live environment, and you're trying to install ubuntu 19.04?
[20:09] <JonelethIrenicus> can you use lsblk and not show loop devices?
[20:10] <tomreyn> lsblk | grep -v ^loop
[20:10] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: hotness
[20:11] <JonelethIrenicus> grep is awesome
[20:11] <victorqueiroz> oft_gegong: not live. I booted directly into installer.
[20:12] <oft_gegong> hmm....yeah sometimes the USB drivers are a little weird. Like I had Ubuntu 16.04 this one time, and 30% of the time it would be right.
[20:13] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: which ubuntu version are you trying to install there, and which flavour, if desktop?
[20:14] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: and which graphics chipset do you have there exactly. you say "AMD GPU", this could hint that you have an AMD APU? which one?
[20:16] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: generally, you don'T need or want the proprietary additions to the default fully (despite the firmware) open source amdgpu driver (there are rare exceptions).
[20:17] <victorqueiroz> tomreyn: Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS amd64. GPU is RX 580. I was able to boot it into Live CD. I'm trying to install it. Do you have another version to recommend me?
[20:17] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: 18.04.2 is fine and should just work out of the box with RX580
[20:18] <tomreyn> it does for me
[20:18] <tomreyn> (and may other people, too)
[20:18] <victorqueiroz> Alright, it's loading on "Updates and other software" let's see how it goes. I hope it does work out-of-the-box!! <3
[20:18] <tomreyn> *many
[20:19] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: this "I can't boot the installer with my AMD gpu. It just sprint the cooler once and keeps stuck on black screen" sounds more like mainboard firmware or hardware issues then
[20:19] <tomreyn> did you install mainboard firmware updates?
[20:22] <texla> Ubuntu 18.04.2 slow boot can this entries in https://pastebin.com/MEsdeK8w cause slow boot
[20:22] <mmercer> ok....maybe im doing something wrong...  attempting to use cloud-init per-boot directive to set a dynamic hostname on machines... ive put set_hostname.sh in /var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-boot, but it does not seem to execute
[20:23] <victorqueiroz> tomreyn: If you mean the BIOS updates, I recently updated my BIOS version on setup.
[20:23] <victorqueiroz> Now it's loading for too long on "Updates and other software" screen. Does it usually take this much?
[20:24] <lol768_> Hello. Bit of an odd issue here. Ubuntu 18.04
[20:24] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: you'll have UEFI firmware, not BIOS, although many still call it this way (a misnomer). but yes, that's what i meant.
[20:24] <lol768_> Some fonts don't render at all in Chrome, or other applications (like IntelliJ). Example: https://codepen.io/anon/pen/EJBbMa
[20:24] <oft_gegong> victorqueiroz: I think this maybe a BIOS option issue. I'm 38% sure.
[20:24] <lol768_> That page renders fine in Firefox, but like https://lol768.com/i/DikeBehringFafnirBroods in Chrome
[20:25] <lol768_> Where should I even start with trying to troubleshoot this?
[20:25] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: i'm not sure what the "Updates and other software" screen does. i assume it downloads and installs updated packages. if so, your internet connection can be a limiting factor there.
[20:26] <victorqueiroz> tomreyn: I selected "Minimal installation" and unmakred all options below "Other options"
[20:26] <tomreyn> lol768_: use chromium-browser, the open source browser which is the foundation for the proprietary chrome browser (which is not supported here), it doesn't have this issue.
[20:26] <lol768_> sorry, I am using Chromium
[20:26] <oft_gegong> lol768_: that sounds terrible. Fonts should work out of the box. You could try installing windows fonts. I'm 4% sure that will help.
[20:26] <lol768_> I shouldn't refer to it as chrome
[20:27] <JonelethIrenicus> why is it when people talk about permissions they are kind of inconsistent in the naming?
[20:27] <lol768_> for what it's worth oft_gegong, Arial works fine in libreoffice writer
[20:27] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: i think it wouldn't install updates during the installation then, so my theory would be wrong.
[20:27] <JonelethIrenicus> owner group everyone, but then doesn't chmod use -o for "other" which means everyone?
[20:27] <lol768_> is there a way in Chromium/Chrome to see which font it actually tried to use to render a DOM element
[20:27] <JonelethIrenicus> pretty confusing
[20:28] <oft_gegong> JonelethIrenicus: with permissions there is owner, group, and everyone. But then there's read, write, execute, and those special suid guid bits.
[20:28] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: in other words: there's no explanation for why this step would take very long.
[20:28] <victorqueiroz> tomreyn: Now it loaded to "Installation type"
[20:28] <lol768_> right, it's trying to use EmojiOne Color to render "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"
[20:29] <lol768_> which seems like a dumb thing to try and do given what the font is for..
[20:29] <oft_gegong> lol768_: Arial works fine lol. What about Trubuschet (or whatever)?
[20:29] <Ben64> JonelethIrenicus: because it's user, group, others
[20:30] <JonelethIrenicus> Ben64: so when some one teaches owner, group, everyone they are wrong?
[20:30] <lol768_> Trebuchet MS?
[20:30] <lol768_> yup, fine in libreoffice too
[20:30] <Ben64> JonelethIrenicus: yes
[20:30] <oft_gegong> JonelethIrenicus: yeah
[20:30] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: so it's making progress, i guess, good.
[20:30] <oft_gegong> JonelethIrenicus: sadly
[20:30] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: what'S the hardware you have there?
[20:33] <victorqueiroz> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/0pyv
[20:34] <victorqueiroz> I wonder why does it take so much time to change mountpoint of a partition
[20:35] <lol768_> I think this is relevant https://github.com/eosrei/twemoji-color-font#why-bitstream-vera
[20:35] <JonelethIrenicus> makes more sense now
[20:38] <texla> Ubuntu 18.04.2 slow boot can this entries in https://pastebin.com/MEsdeK8w cause slow boot
[20:39] <victorqueiroz> tomreyn: Sorry, this is more accurate: https://termbin.com/4pci
[20:40] <leftyfb> !who | texla
[20:40] <leftyfb> texla: please stop posting that link and wait for someone to respond. Also, ask an actual support question that is clear English
[20:42] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: is this in a VM?
[20:43] <texla> leftyfb, You telling me once in a full 17" screen is to often; and I cannot add someones name until they answer Right
[20:44] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: if storage (disk) operations take really long, maybe something is wrong with the storage? did you check its health?
[20:44] <ikanobori> We tend to measure by time, if someone knows the answer they'll answer, if not try again later (not 10 minutes, wait an hour or two so new people might be active).
[20:44] <tomreyn> !smart | victorqueiroz
[20:44] <leftyfb> texla: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/QdN9TPPxzK/ 3 times in an hour, yes
[20:45] <victorqueiroz> tomreyn: It's installing. Maybe I can check it after installation? It has never been a problem on Debian. Would you say that's an feature or a bug on Ubuntu? hahaha
[20:45] <texla> leftyfb, Three times in one how how long should I wait ???
[20:46] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: i would not. yes, check after installation. you can keep using the live / installer after installation completes.
[20:46] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: is the isntaller running from a usb attached storage (flash? hdd?) or optical media?
[20:48] <victorqueiroz> tomreyn: new USB stick 32GB
[20:48] <qwebirc70130> Hi all. I come here humbly as a newbie to Linux. I have spent over a week trying to install Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS as a dual-boot with Windows 10 preinstalled. I have typed an essay as to what I have tried, but don't want to flood the screen here. How should I go about getting assistance please? Many thanks in advance
[20:49] <Mead> qwebirc70130: what is your most major problem?
[20:49] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: i see, this *could* be the source of a slow installation also, but i assume you would be able to tell so?
[20:50] <qwebirc70130> Mead: No matter what I do, I simply cannot get Ubuntu installation to boot from USB or SSD. Cannot boot into a live session. Cannot get into GRUB or anything close to installation or boot
[20:50] <tomreyn> victorqueiroz: if it was, booting up the installer would probably have been slow already. and it should not be on your computer.
[20:52] <deadrom> heya
[20:53] <deadrom> 18.04, nvidia 390.116 but nvidia-settings is 390.77. I think I remember hearing one does not need the seperate nvidia-settings package anymore at all... true? uninstall it?
[20:55] <tomreyn> texla: the system journal was flushed, which wont happen on every boot.
[21:13] <texla> tomreyn, Would this pastebin tell me anything about the slow boot of ubuntu 18.04.2 https://pastebin.com/EVGLAKyJ
[21:14] <tomreyn> texla: i don't know whether it tells you, does it?
[21:15] <tomreyn> it doesn't seem special to me.
[21:15] <tomreyn> by the way, we prefer the pastebin at paste.ubuntu.com here
[21:21] <hggdh> texla: you can try systemd-analyze blame, or systemd-analyze critical-chain
[21:22] <hggdh> oh, you did
[21:23] <OerHeks> 45 s is not bad, with luks i assume..
[21:27] <qwebirc54500> hello I have a question about installing Ubuntu.
[21:27] <qwebirc54500> I'm new to using IRC channels, also
[21:28] <ryuo> qwebirc54500: first rule: ask your question from the beginning.
[21:28] <ryuo> :)
[21:28] <qwebirc54500> sorry I'm just nervous haha
[21:28] <qwebirc54500> anyways I have a pc with Windows 10. I want to use primarily Linux so I'm going to have a dual boot
[21:29] <qwebirc54500> when I went to install, I went through the process but upon reboot I think I got an error
[21:29] <qwebirc54500> it said that it couldn't unpack the files
[21:30] <qwebirc54500> and when I tried to restart again it just asked me to insert a boot able key, even after I reset the boot priority defaults
[21:31] <ryuo> qwebirc54500: i'm not sure if Ubiquity supports this OOB... it sounds like it can't even boot into windows now.
[21:31] <qwebirc54500> so idk what to do. I also noticed that the Ubuntu installation didn't notice windows OS, and when I tried to reinstall Ubuntu it only recognized the existing Ubuntu 18.04
[21:31] <ryuo> qwebirc54500: ... it sounds like you may have destroyed the windows partition, but the only way to be sure is to inspect the partition table.
[21:31] <OerHeks> sounds like you have windows 10 in UEFI mode, and ubuntu in legacy mode installed
[21:32] <ryuo> Or, that's another possibility.
[21:32] <OerHeks> boot ubuntu in uefi mode too
[21:32] <OerHeks> !uefi
[21:32] <qwebirc54500> I chabged the partition so the windows one is smaller.i used the remaining free space to create a Linux partition and swap
[21:32] <ryuo> OerHeks: does Ubuntu support automatic resizing of the windows partition?
[21:32] <OerHeks> oke, you made free space, you are fine i guess
[21:33] <qwebirc54500> I will try setting up Ubuntu in uefi mode
[21:33] <qwebirc54500> I'm not sure if I did that the first time
[21:33] <qwebirc54500> thank you for your help everyone
[21:33] <OerHeks> ryuo, yes
[21:33] <ryuo> qwebirc54500: if you still have issues, i can suggest a method that always worked for me.
[21:33] <qwebirc54500> I appreciate it, go for it
[21:33] <OerHeks> but i prefer to do this within windows, no jamming antivirus and such
[21:34] <ryuo> qwebirc54500: well, my method was to preallocate my partitions for both installs, install windows to those partitions, then install my Linux. no futzing with resizing.
[21:35] <ryuo> qwebirc54500: but that's an expert method i suppose.
[21:35] <OerHeks> good luck and have fun!
[21:35] <qwebirc54500> I ended up buying a pre made pc and it already had a windows boot manager and windows partition for most of the existing hard drive. So I guess I had no choice lol
[21:35] <qwebirc54500> ty all
[21:35] <ryuo> not really... you can reinstall windows.
[21:35] <ryuo> yourself.
[21:35] <ryuo> microsoft provides ISOs for windows 10 on their website now.
[21:36] <qwebirc54500> tbh I'm scared cuz I don't feel confident in my ability... plus I don't have a CD reader
[21:36] <ryuo> Ah. You can prepare USB boot media instead.
[21:36] <ryuo> It doesn't need an optical drive.
[21:36] <qwebirc54500> oh! right
[21:36] <qwebirc54500> I was thinking about the disc they gave me with the computer
[21:36] <ryuo> I see.
[21:37] <qwebirc54500> ty again! I'll try the solution ubottu suggested
[21:37] <qwebirc54500> or, oerheks
[21:37] <ryuo> well, if it still fails, there's always the manual method i use.
[21:37] <OerHeks> restore iso .. that would wipe all, but can be a saviour.
[21:37] <qwebirc54500> I'll remember it, ryuo
[21:37] <qwebirc54500> thank you!
[21:37] <ryuo> qwebirc54500: one thing to note, make sure to reserve space for your UEFI partition if using that method.
[21:38] <ryuo> it doesn't need a lot of space.
[21:38] <qwebirc54500> I'm going to read more about uefi!! ty
[21:38] <ryuo> I've gotten by with 1MiB or less space for it before.
[21:38] <qwebirc54500> cuz I don't understand tbh haha (^^)
[21:38] <ryuo> but that was a single linux install.
[21:38] <jeremy31> qwebirc54500: EFI System Partition, 200-500MB
[21:38] <ryuo> you want more if you don't know what you'll be doing for sure.
[21:41] <newdimension> With the following ufw config, shouldn't I be *failing* to connect to a webapp on this server? Wouldn't I need to manually open port 80? https://dpaste.de/ZYVD
[21:42] <van777> i'd like to report, that i've sucsesufully installed windows (for wife) after ubuntu and the boot menu with "boot repair" live disk
[21:43] <TFaulkner> van777 Fantastic!
[21:44] <qwebirc70130> Hi all. I come here humbly as a newbie to Linux. I have spent over a week trying to install Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS as a dual-boot with Windows 10 preinstalled I have scoured countless forums and blogs, and I'm not seeing any success and would be very grateful for any assistance with Ubuntu installation please. I have typed an essay as to what I have tried, but don't want to flood the screen here. How should I go about getting assista
[21:44] <TFaulkner> Well you have came to the right place my friend
[21:45] <tomreyn> newdimension: yes, you should fail to connect, from a different system, to this server, on port 80. that's unless there are other rules in iptables which allow for it or traffic flows on an interface ufw does not handle.
[21:47] <qwebirc70130> My issue: No matter what I do, I simply cannot get Ubuntu installation to boot from USB or SSD. Cannot boot into a live session. Cannot get into GRUB or anything close to installation or boot. The only errors I've seen: via USB boot: >> No Media Present........ After rebooting and selecting UNetboot menu entry: "Windows Boot Manager: Windows failed to start. A recent hardware of software change might be the cause. To fix the prob
[21:47] <qwebirc70130> Consistently then boots into Windows
[21:48] <TFaulkner> What Architecture OS do you have and What is your Computer (32 Bit or 64 Bit)
[21:48] <TFaulkner> and do you know if your computer uses Bios or Uefi
[21:49] <qwebirc70130> System: Toshiba Satellite L50A; 1TB SSD; 12GB RAM; 64 bit;
[21:49] <TFaulkner> One Moment
[21:49] <tomreyn> qwebirc70130: there are usually just two things to watch out for when setting up dual-boot: (1) on the mainboard firmware ("BIOS") configuration utility, look for a "RAID" option (for how SATA storages are accessed) and set it to "AHCI" instead. (2) install windows first, make sure it boots fine,  (3) install ubuntu, booting the installer in the same boot mode as you boot the installed windows installer. nowadays this is usually UEFI mode.
[21:50] <tomreyn> qwebirc70130: ^ i typed this before i read your second message, so this is now less useful as a hint.
[21:51] <qwebirc70130> Thanks tomreyn, TFaulkner
[21:51] <qwebirc70130> These are the steps I have taken so far
[21:51] <qwebirc70130> IN Windows: - Confirmed that BIOS mode is UEFI - Confirmed that Volume Partition Style is GPT - Partitioned the SSD, shrunk the Windows partition - currently 735GB - New partition - 200GB (file system: NTFS) - Disabled fast start-up in Power Options
[21:52] <qwebirc70130>  IN UEFI: - Disabled Secure Boot - Boot Speed set to Normal - Changed Boot order priority to USB, and have subsequently even moved HDD/SSD to last priority
[21:52] <qwebirc70130> WITH UNetbootin: - Tried Live version 18.04_Live_x64, NetInstall version 18.04_NetInstall_x64 - Tried Diskimage with 18.04.2 iso, 16.04 iso, 19.04 iso - both on Hard Disk and on USB - Have booted from complete shut-down, restarted from Windows, restarted via Advanced Startup into EFI: USB from within Windows and also via Advanced Startup into UEFI Firmware Settings
[21:52] <jeremy31> qwebirc70130: you should have just shrunk the windows install and left it as unallocated
[21:53] <qwebirc70130> WITH Rufus: - Tried Rufus for USB boot - Tried installation with Partition scheme set to MBR with Target system set to 'BIOS or UEFI' (subsequently found that this is incorrect, and must be set to GPT - see below) - Tried installation with Partition scheme set to GPT (as per Disk Management properties) with Target system set to 'UEFI (non CSM)'
[21:54] <qwebirc70130> jeremy31: Should I try again with unallocated storage?
[21:54] <TFaulkner> jeremy31: you dont need to shrink the partition
[21:54] <jeremy31> qwebirc70130: the Ubuntu installer is capable of installing along side Windows 10 in EFi mode without shrinking the Windows partition manually
[21:55] <TFaulkner> what is your USB being formatted to in Rufus
[21:55] <TFaulkner> NTFS?
[21:56] <aruns> TFaulkner: NTFS is Windows' file storage system.
[21:56] <TFaulkner> yes
[21:56] <TFaulkner> but its the partition that works for Bootable USB
[21:56] <qwebirc70130> It formats it to FAT32, and breaks if I tr NTFS
[21:56] <TFaulkner> hmmm? elaborate on breaks
[21:56] <Mead> ntfs was originally developed for OS2...
[21:57] <tomreyn> qwebirc70130: don't change the boot order permanently in the uefi configuration. instead, override it only the one time (by pressing some function key before boot - which one exactly depends on your mainboard, but it should tell) while installing ubuntu from the usb attached storage.
[21:57] <TFaulkner> Lets try using etcher to image the drive
[21:59] <qwebirc70130> The error it gives is: "Error: Undetermined error while formatting"
[21:59] <TFaulkner> seems to be your USB
[21:59] <TFaulkner> do you have another usb stick anywhere
[22:00] <newdimension> tomreyn: I thought so, I didn't set anything iptables. The only non-standard thing I've done is run a docker image of Mattermost. I was suprirsed I was able to connect without having to open the port
[22:00] <qwebirc70130> I thought it might be the stick, but even when trying to install with UNetbootin, I get the same results
[22:00] <TFaulkner> yh try that then
[22:01] <TFaulkner> Ububtu 18.04 is about 1.8GB so a 2GB Drive should be adequate
[22:01] <jeremy31> qwebirc70130: as long as the ISO boots in EFI mode, it is not likely an issue with etcher/rufus/whatever
[22:02] <tomreyn> newdimension: oh docker, so it's a different ip addres really. ufw only handled the very system it is installed on, it is not meant for managing more complex setups like traffic forwarded to other locations..
[22:02] <TFaulkner> jeremy31: looks like a drive issue with the USB
[22:02] <qwebirc70130> Which program should I use to format the stick, rufus?
[22:02] <TFaulkner> yes
[22:02] <tomreyn> Plumette: could you please fix your script?
[22:02] <TFaulkner> just like you are imaging the drive
[22:02] <qwebirc70130> ry
[22:03] <newdimension> tomreyn: I'm not familiar with docker, let alone it's effects on networking. But wouldn't a guest application (e.g. Docker) have to follow system set rules (ufw) ?
[22:03] <newdimension> *its effects
[22:03] <TFaulkner> Let me know how it goes
[22:03] <qwebirc70130> you are all true legends here... Thank you, will give it another attempt
[22:03] <qwebirc70130> Also, the manuall partitioned storage in Windows - should I unallocate that?
[22:04] <TFaulkner> you can do
[22:04] <tomreyn> newdimension: it's got an ip address and (I think?) (virtual) NIC of it's own. no, UFW is not meant to handle this scenario.
[22:04] <TFaulkner> If you need help just pop up. One of us will be more than happy to help you. If im not online then drop me a DM. Ive added you on mine.
[22:05] <newdimension> tomreyn: ok thanks. It seems like what's happening is that docker alters iptables (like you mentioned) to get around UFW. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-fix-the-docker-and-ufw-security-flaw/
[22:06] <jeremy31> TFaulkner: I was able to install Linux Mint along side Windows 10 without shrinking the Windows partition in Windows on my newer HP laptop.  Mint uses the Ubuntu ubiquity installer
[22:06] <qwebirc70130> Thanks again TFaulkner, truly appreciate it!
[22:07] <TFaulkner> no problem qwebirc70130.
[22:07] <TFaulkner> jeremy31: yh i know but it doesnt matter if its allocated or not
[22:09] <jeremy31> TFaulkner: they should have been able to choose that partition in something else and change it to ext4 and install
[22:10] <TFaulkner> yh that works
[22:12] <MannyLNJ_> Help please. I am getting this message when I do apt-get update   E: The repository 'http://debian.opennms.org openms-24 Release' does not have a Release file.
[22:15] <Bashing-om> MannyLNJ_: pastebin the outputs of ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' so wee see the error in context.
[22:18] <MannyLNJ_> Bashing-om, Working on it
[22:20] <MannyLNJ_> Bashing-om, how do I output the command to pastebin? Google is letting me down
[22:20] <Bashing-om> !paste | MannyLNJ_
[22:20] <jeremy31> MannyLNJ_: in terminal (sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade) | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:21] <jeremy31> post URL from termbin
[22:21] <Bashing-om> MannyLNJ_: ^^ My preferred paste site also :)
[22:21] <MannyLNJ_> jeremy31, Thank you
[22:23] <MannyLNJ_> Bashing-om, and jeremy31 https://pastebin.com/1AdberF9
[22:23] <Bashing-om> MannyLNJ_: looking.
[22:24] <jeremy31> MannyLNJ_: for termbin the ( and ) are needed for multiple commands
[22:24] <MannyLNJ_> jeremy31, I understand now
[22:27] <OerHeks> that repo gives https, http://docs.opennms.org/opennms/releases/latest/guide-install/guide-install.html#_installing_on_debian
[22:28] <OerHeks> so you need apt-transport-https i guess too
[22:31] <tomreyn> bionic and later apt support https by default
[22:31] <MannyLNJ_> OerHeks, Bashing-om and tomreyn thank you for the help. For now I think I will just remove it and start over later.
[22:31] <OerHeks> The following components will be installed:  Oracle Java 8 JDK .. oh, that s going to be fun
[22:35] <MannyLNJ_> I did apt-get remove and now I need to figure out why apt-get is still showing it's repository
[22:35] <doubtful> I am so confused what to do with files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d after upgrade to disco
[22:36] <doubtful> fpr ex: what do I do with this file: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MtqPHqmdKX/?
[22:40] <OerHeks> nothing, they are disabled
[22:40] <OerHeks> packages not upgraded to disco
[22:40] <tomreyn> MannyLNJ_: "apt-get remove PACKAGE" removes the installed package PACKAGE, it does not remove an APT source (a configured apt repository)
[22:41] <MannyLNJ_> tomreyn, I fogured out where the repo was listed on my system. removed it and now I will worry about it later. Still trying to resolve DNS issues on my lan
[22:41] <tomreyn> i see, good luck.
[23:04] <jackbaker> Hi, hope i am in the right place. I'm trying to apt-get update and it is getting stuck on some files. When i try to access one of the files manually on a different computer it will only download like 85% of the file and then stop. I have tried about 10 different mirrors. http and ftp connections. both .bz2 and .gz files too. Every single file stops at 85% Any ideas?
[23:07] <tomreyn> jackbaker: is this a corporate environment or an environment or country where censorship is common?
[23:07] <jackbaker> USA standard residential internet. I have not noticed ISP blocks in the past ever
[23:09] <ryuo> jackbaker: does it occur if you tell APT to use IPv4?
[23:11] <ryuo> jackbaker: try this: apt -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true true
[23:11] <ryuo> err
[23:11] <ryuo> jackbaker: try this: apt -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true update
[23:11] <jackbaker> ryuo: It is running now but sitting at waiting for headers
[23:12] <ryuo> jackbaker: excuse me, try this: apt update -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true
[23:12] <ryuo> got the order wrong.
[23:12] <ryuo> jackbaker: -shrug- I just know IPv6 is unreliable on some ISP networks.
[23:12] <jackbaker> yes I put the order with the option last
[23:13] <jackbaker> okay it endered with error  "E: Method gave invalid 103 Redirect message"
[23:14] <jackbaker> I should also mention i have been doing alot of troubleshooting on my own before coming here. I have added mirrors to my sources.list file
[23:18] <jackbaker> for an example all the mirrors i have tried can only download 5.4kB or 5.1kB of these source.gz or source.bz2 files at /ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/restricted/source/
[23:20] <Bashing-om> jackbaker: Show the channel in a pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' See then what we can see.
[23:23] <mataro> Hello!
[23:23] <mataro> is anyone here?
[23:24] <OerHeks> !trusty
[23:24] <mataro> it just said "czwolf" has joined
[23:24] <OerHeks> hi mataro
[23:24] <mataro> hi
[23:25] <mataro> this is my first time on ubuntu
[23:28] <tomreyn> mataro: welcome to the ubuntu support (only, there are others, though) channel.
[23:28] <mataro> do you think is should keep using it, or switch back to mac?
[23:29] <tomreyn> that's for you to decide (and not strictly an ubuntu support question).
[23:29] <mataro> bye
[23:29] <OerHeks> mataro, my answer makes no sense.
[23:31] <OerHeks> trusty was pretty nice.
[23:31] <tomreyn> jackbaker: i got disconnected but would also suggest you post the output, and would also suggest you use a supported ubuntu version.
[23:32] <felco> !bionic
[23:34] <OerHeks> hint: daily live http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/current/
[23:35] <jackbaker> tomreyn: I am running the command again then will pastbin it for the channel. I am stuck using 14.04 because it is a Jetson TK1 development board.
[23:36] <OerHeks> not really true .. https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1036457/how-to-successfully-update-jetson-tk1-to-ubuntu-16-04/
[23:37] <jackbaker> OerHeks: yes, but it looses jetpack features.
[23:38] <jackbaker> https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1014426/ubuntu-16-04-on-tk1/
[23:39] <OerHeks> ah, you have no tx1
[23:44] <OerHeks> jackbaker, interesting .. https://blog.ubuntu.com/2019/03/15/porting-ubuntu-core-18-to-nvidia-jetson-tx1-developer-kit
[23:44] <OerHeks> but works not on your tk1?
[23:45] <jackbaker> Now that i reread that i'm not so sure it would be a problem anymore if i 16.04... Anyhow for now i would like to continue using the current version installed.
[23:46] <jackbaker> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/5FuyQKZk  pastebin of the update and upgrade
[23:46] <OerHeks> yes, hold xserver-xorg-core, etc
[23:53] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/arm64/ch02s01.html#gfx
[23:58] <jackbaker> Okay, i have to go now. Thanks for the help all