[00:00] <guiverc> i meant the "Originally posted to the ubuntu" replacing the "On bahalf of the .. (name)"
[00:00] <Wild_Man> Is the permalink created automatically?
[00:00] <guiverc> nope - you do it
[00:00] <Wild_Man> Okay
[00:01] <guiverc> hold on, permalink I'm think of ubuntu-announce mailing list underline
[00:01] <guiverc> think/thinking...
[00:01] <Wild_Man> I will see when I do a preview
[00:02] <guiverc> if by permanlink you mean the link to notice - yes that is created automatically; i'm not a web person sorry
[00:03] <Wild_Man> Okay, I am going to start now
[00:07] <Wild_Man> guiverc, since the title says "Extended Security Maintenance for Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) began April 25 2019" I assume we use that as the title instead of reached EOL, or should I change that to reached EOL?
[00:08] <Wild_Man> krytarik, Thoughts^^^
[00:08] <guiverc> looking
[00:09] <krytarik> Welp, you two figure it out! >_>
[00:09] <Wild_Man> Okay
[00:10] <guiverc> 12.04 had "Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) End of Life reached on April 28, 2017" so I'd suggeste that format  (ie. we concentrate on 14.04 LTS , not the corporate ESM notice)
[00:11] <guiverc> (even if the text inside it has loads about ESM)
[00:12] <Wild_Man> I tend to agree but https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-July/000233.html has EOL but the announcement has it word for word in the title but I think it is missing leading not to say reached EOL
[00:12] <Wild_Man> it does not in this latest one
[00:13] <Wild_Man> I think like I said last night they are pushing the extended maintenance so it is a way for them to advertise
[00:14] <guiverc> I'm missing your last point/question sorry Wild_Man (re: 17.10)
[00:14] <Wild_Man> We will just go with reached EOL
[00:15] <guiverc> :)  (I did see a word difference, but I lost it again.. sorry)
[00:15] <Wild_Man> Ok
[00:16] <guiverc> use the wording you feel is best is probably the best advice I can give.
[00:17] <Wild_Man> Give me a minute and I will post it here the what I think it should be
[00:19] <Wild_Man> guiverc, thoughts "Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) End of Life reached on April 25 2019 and transitioned to Extended Security Maintenance"
[00:20] <Wild_Man> left out reached
[00:20] <guiverc> long but very accurate.
[00:20] <guiverc> (i'm fine with it)
[00:20] <Wild_Man> I know it is long, but not think it may be the best
[00:20] <Wild_Man> but think
[00:21] <Wild_Man> I will go with that
[00:21] <guiverc> we could use ESM in title (I'd expect most readers would know what ESM was by now) to shorten, but use what you think is best
[00:22] <krytarik> Just appending "(ESM available)" is what I got on my mind there. >_>
[00:22] <Wild_Man> It would make it shorter but I think that would be assuming to much, like facts not in evidence
[00:22] <Wild_Man> To the end krytarik ?
[00:23] <krytarik> Appending adds things to the end, yes. :P
[00:23] <guiverc> they'll quickly learn what ESM is by opening; I'm for concentrating on 14.04 LTS & EOL so I like adding (ESM avialable)
[00:23] <Wild_Man> If you both think that will work I am okay with it
[00:23] <Wild_Man> will do
[00:25] <guiverc> Wild_Man, you made the same typo (available) that I did ^
[00:26] <Wild_Man> I copy and pasted
[00:26] <guiverc> :(   sorry for my typo then..
[00:30] <Wild_Man> If I find misspellings when I copy and paste it is okay to correct them? not like the title when we do summaries?
[00:31] <Wild_Man> is customise the correct spelling in some parts of the world?
[00:31] <guiverc> I suspect i've corrected some before, but I don't go looking for them, and am very careful I don't change any understanding (so if i'm unsure, i'd opt for leaving mis-spellings there..)
[00:32] <Wild_Man> I was not looking but it popped out at me
[00:32] <guiverc> if obvious & can't cause mis-interpretation, I'd probably correct
[00:36] <Wild_Man> guiverc, when I preview it so I can check it real good I only get one sentence and nothing else
[00:38] <Wild_Man> Its all on one line but is not all in view
[00:38] <guiverc> yeah my window only shows up to "that as of April"  --   I don't know wpadmin enough to know problem, if it occurs to me, I return to my mousepad copy, in browser text in wp & re-paste
[00:39] <Wild_Man> Okay I will give it a go
[00:40] <guiverc> sorry in edits of last line I deleted wrong stuff again... copy from my mousepad (original with my edits from ml) to wpadin (paste), ie. start again with wpadmin
[00:41] <Wild_Man> guiverc, I fixed it without copy and pasting again
[00:41] <Wild_Man> Now to proof read and check links
[00:42] <guiverc> top right you should see a 'preview' button (it's somewhere near top anyway)
[00:42] <guiverc> line breaks look like they've been lost
[00:48] <Wild_Man> Fixed that, now need to add the last paragraph
[00:48] <guiverc> i copy past from prior notice; then replace name/team/date  (often name/team are identical)
[00:49] <guiverc> add notice link too (ideally, otherwise in edit semi-regularly)
[01:00] <guiverc> fyi: Wild_Man I've seen a few formatting glitches; i have (esp. had) them too..  I went back to mousepad (xfce, over featherpad/lubuntu-qt) as they seem to occur less for me there (no idea if editor makes a difference, or it's how i use mousepad over other editors) & do most changes there then final paste  (doing links)  (summary: i find wpadmin a pita too, so do most my changes in mousepad)  final para should be just name of
[01:00] <guiverc> [ubuntu-announce] mailing list (you add link using 'link' button in wpadmi)
[01:00] <Wild_Man> I did that but it did not save it, I closed it and am going to do it again
[01:01] <Wild_Man> When I put it in gedit all formatting was lost
[01:01] <Wild_Man> trying again
[01:07] <Wild_Man> Still did it again even though it looks perfect before previewing
[01:08] <guiverc> you could add /br (break) where you want line-breaks as I recall; I didn't find my 19.04 post ^ paste (my fingers know what I do more than my mind)
[01:10] <Wild_Man> I was thinking of doing that
[01:18] <Wild_Man> guiverc, will you please check it now, I had to add line breaks manually
[01:19] <guiverc> sorry my view of http://fridge.ubuntu.com/?p=8639&preview=true  doesn't have line breaks
[01:19] <Wild_Man> Mine does
[01:19] <Wild_Man> Is that all you see that is wrong?
[01:20] <Wild_Man> I have reloaded my preview several times and it shows the line breaks as I added them
[01:21] <guiverc> I don't see the "Originally posted to the ubuntu-announce mailing list on" by see the link instead of "ubuntu-announce mailing list" - but that could be b/c of my unformatted view (out-dated maybe)
[01:21] <Wild_Man> Looking
[01:22] <guiverc> I've found fridge wpadmin can be very slow with previews before..  if you're perfectly happy publish, I can then look
[01:22] <Wild_Man> I think it is your outdated preview
[01:22] <Wild_Man> Looking one more time
[01:24] <Wild_Man> All links working, it looks complete, publishing
[01:25] <Wild_Man> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/05/02/ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr-reached-end-of-life-on-april-25-2019-esm-available/
[01:25] <guiverc> yep, looks good now.
[01:26] <guiverc> the last 'ubuntu-announce mailing list' (hiding the url) wasn't done; so wording on last paragraph is slightly odd
[01:26] <guiverc> (it wasn't italics either)
[01:27] <Wild_Man> I see that
[01:28] <Wild_Man> I am temporarily without power and typing in the dark
[01:28] <Wild_Man> It is easy enough to edit right?
[01:29] <guiverc> :(  storms?  yes editing is [usually] easy.. and I think I edit on average 1.7 times  (maybe more)
[01:30] <Wild_Man> guiverc, how do I make the link say ubuntu security mailing list?
[01:32] <guiverc> change it to the text you want (ubuntu-announce mailing list is what I'd use), then highlight that text & click link button and enter url for link
[01:32] <Wild_Man> Okay, Thanks
[01:38] <krytarik> Wild_Man: https://grammarist.com/spelling/customise-customize/ - the fact that the American variant existed first for once, is interesting about this though.
[01:41] <Wild_Man> Done, and changed customise
[01:41] <Wild_Man> brb
[01:50] <guiverc> good job Wild_Man :)
[01:53] <Wild_Man> Thanks guiverc, I appreciate your help
[01:53] <guiverc> :) & you're most welcome.
[01:54] <krytarik> Ugh, all the links got messed up on formatting though. :3
[01:55] <Wild_Man> krytarik, can the script for publishing be easily updated to post here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2332600
[01:55] <Wild_Man> for formatting
[01:56] <Wild_Man> It use to be done automatically
[01:57] <krytarik> Wild_Man: No, the script that is used on converting the formatting of an UWN issue, is based on the wiki one.
[01:57] <Wild_Man> Ok
[01:59] <krytarik> Also, if on WordPress you find that you have to use manual </br>'s to get line breaks, then the formatting of the post is probably wrong.
[02:00] <Wild_Man> One time it would in preview it looked correct then the next it was all on one line
[02:00] <krytarik> Which is further indicated by the fact that all links are currently inline rather than in their own paragraph.
[02:00] <Wild_Man> I will see if I can fix the links in a minute
[02:01] <Wild_Man> How could it have been fixed before publishing?
[02:01] <Wild_Man> I tried several different ways and it ended in disaster each time
[02:02] <krytarik> Also, make sure to use the "Text" view in the WP editor.  And if you want, you could also put the current code there into a paste for me to have a look at.
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[02:04] <Wild_Man> Like with the first link I can move it down a line but I see no way to make it look exactly like in the announcement
[02:05] <Wild_Man> I can indent but it still will not line up the same
[02:06] <krytarik> Yeah, I was just going to say, no indentation is fine there.
[02:06] <Wild_Man> Okay
[02:10] <Wild_Man> Can you preview it before I update it or it will take to long for the server to catch up and I should just update, the links look a lot better now
[02:15] <Wild_Man> I updated it
[02:25] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Sorry, I was looking at some HTML to BBCode converter websites. >_>  And yes, it's almost fine now, except you missed to put the second occurrence of <https://www.ubuntu.com/esm> on its own line too.
[02:31] <Wild_Man> krytarik, do you mean to add a space? it is on its own line but I do see that there is no space
[02:33] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Those websites rather suck for one reason or another though.  But if for example you wanted to post the current article to the forums, it'd be sufficient to just copy from the generated web page and adapt the mailing list link at the bottom to the forums formatting.  If the post had headers as the release ones though, then the effort to convert would be little higher.
[02:34] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I was considering that
[02:35] <krytarik> "https://blog.ubuntu.com/2019/02/05/ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr https://www.ubuntu.com/esm" - well, I mean what comes out as this line on the page currently.
[02:35] <Wild_Man> I am not sure anyone would even visit the fridge on the forum anymore
[02:37] <Wild_Man> I can move the link down one line
[02:39] <Wild_Man> Done
[02:40] <krytarik> And unless the number of views on the UWN issue threads there isn't correct for some reason, then apparently the above can be said about this one too. >_>
[02:41] <krytarik> Yeah, fixed now - thanks!
[02:42] <Wild_Man> View count is broken
[02:42] <Wild_Man> You're welcome
[02:42] <krytarik> But it appears to work on threads in other subforums there?
[02:43] <Wild_Man> Not accurately
[02:44] <krytarik> Well, ok then.
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[04:41] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, krytarik the fridge page could use a twitter and facebook button for sharing
[04:43] <krytarik> Well, the Fridge could use quite a bit more for a while now, including an update to its theme. >_>
[04:43] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: FB - Twitter: will have to pull me out from under a rock. Thus far I have managed to avoid them.
[04:44] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I like twitter better then facebook
[04:44] <Wild_Man> I understand the sentiment
[04:45] <Wild_Man> krytarik, very true, I wonder if and who to make suggestions to?
[04:45] <Wild_Man> where and who
[04:46] <krytarik> Well, I'd have to file a ticket for this, but since the theme I'd use still isn't ready anyway.. >_>
[04:46] <Wild_Man> You working on one?
[04:47] <krytarik> Nope, not me.
[04:49] <Wild_Man> I had a man tech that works for Canonical IS tell me that anyone can start a ticket which I did not know at the time, of course I believe in the proper chain of command so I never have done that
[04:49] <Wild_Man> I thought I deleted man, guess I am getting tired
[04:50] <krytarik> I did contribute quite a bit to it though - but there are still some issues remaining, including ones that are trivially to fix because mere typos but have a rather huge effect.
[04:51] <Wild_Man> cool
[04:52] <Wild_Man> When we select category on the fridge does it just place it on the fridge in that category like it appears to or does it also post it to for example the planet?
[04:52] <krytarik> Yeah, not so cool that it's in this state for like 2.5 years now though.
[04:53] <Wild_Man> On the feed I see it listed under the planet also but the link takes me to the fridge
[04:54] <krytarik> Yeah, the "Planet" one makes it so that the post is shared to the Planet too - otherwise they are just within the Fridge itself.
[04:55] <Wild_Man> That is what I thought but the link in my reader takes me to the fridge and not the planet even though it is listed in the planet
[04:57] <krytarik> Yeah, that's with all the posts shared on it - they are merely redistributed there.
[04:58] <Wild_Man> I clicked the planet from the fridge and it took me to the planet and the EOL announcement is second one down
[05:01] <krytarik> Yes, cause Erich was busy too!
[05:02] <Wild_Man> Yeah, I realized that is the reason
[05:03] <Wild_Man> Time went by fast tonight it is already midnight here
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[08:55] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) reached End of Life on April 25 2019 (ESM available) @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/05/02/ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr-reached-end-of-life-on-april-25-2019-esm-available/ (by wildmanne39)
[14:18] <juliank> Um
[14:18] <juliank> Could someone changed "end of life" to "end of basic support" in the title of https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/05/02/ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr-reached-end-of-life-on-april-25-2019-esm-available/
[14:20] <guiverc> juliank, so you mean s/of life/of basic support/
[14:20] <juliank> yeah
[14:22] <guiverc> i'm thinking i should have a 2nd fridge.editor agree - anyone here wanna agree?
[14:30] <guiverc> juliank, it'll be some time before i get a 2nd (i'm heading to bed anyway), but i've added a LTS after 14.04 in heading ("Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) reached..") which feel happier without 2nd.
[14:31] <guiverc> ^ s/feel happier/i feel happier/
[14:31] <leftyfb> basic/free
[14:31] <juliank> Basic Support is the designated term
[14:32] <guiverc> i somewhat like reached end of free support; but free also means freedom (debian free)...
[14:32] <juliank> Essentially, basic support is what the non-ESM support is called like starting with trusty
[14:33] <juliank> as you can see in the email :)
[14:33] <guiverc> juliank, my issue is the fridge policies, needing/wanting a 2nd editor to publish/change
[14:37] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/EditorGuidelines  < I'm wanting the second editor to review & approve..
[14:45] <juliank> guiverc: I was just explaining to leftyfb that basic support is a fixed term
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[23:36] <guiverc> krytarik, (Hi) & juliank requested changing end of life on 14.04 notice to be "end of basic support" in title; i added a LTS to title, but felt I needed 2nd before the desired change. irclogs will show discussion. or any thoughts?
[23:39] <krytarik> My thought is, while they are free to push the commercial stuff all they want, for the majority of users that does mean EOL.
[23:39] <guiverc> i agree there, and it is EOL for the LTS (why I had no issue adding the LTS which didn't placate [spel?])
[23:42] <krytarik> Well, I've wondered about the missing "LTS" in the title yesterday too - but at least on the 12.04 one we didn't have it either - which means, as usually the titles are just copy-pasted from the mailing lists, that it wasn't there either.
[23:45] <guiverc> i very much pushed Wild_Man with following prior model wording (it's defendable; so that'll be my 'bad')
[23:45] <Unit193> "Standard Security Maintenance" seems to be the phrase used for non-EOL releases.
[23:46] <Unit193> Considering you're not trying to confuse users, seems like it'd be best to call EOL releases EOL, and mention that ESM is available to those which subscribe to 'Ubuntu Advantage'
[23:47] <guiverc> thanks Unit - that was attempted (reached end of life .. ESM available [in title])
[23:48] <guiverc> i'm gonna walk the dog (before i lose a foot), be back in awhile
[23:48] <krytarik> guiverc: Well, after I consulted prior art on this, I figured if the release EOL anyway, it doesn't really matter if it was an LTS one or not.