[00:46] <lgc> Hi, I'm upgrading to 18.04 at 5 KB/s. But no, it doesn't seem to be the DSL speed. I've tried this for the third time and it seems to be the same every time. Any advice?
[00:48] <tomreyn> lgc: hmm maybe you hit a slow mirror server. does it say where it's downloading from?
[00:49] <tomreyn> maybe if you expand the terminal on the bottom
[00:49] <lgc> tomreyn, no, it doesn't.
[00:49] <lgc> And the terminal button is greyed out. :(
[00:50] <tomreyn> lgc: can you still cancel at this point or did it already seem to be unable to roll back if you would?
[00:51] <tomreyn> if you couldn't tell, just report what it says now.
[00:51] <lgc> tomreyn, I have cancelled more than once, and the count of downloaded files doesn't start from 0, but from where I cancelled.
[00:51] <tomreyn> lgc: okay, so we won't loose anything if we cancel again, right?
[00:52] <tomreyn> lgc: what you are doing there is a graphical upgrade. that's fine when things work well, but if you want to get a better idea what's not working you can do it on the temrinal instead
[00:52] <tomreyn> there is a "do-release-upgrade" command which does the upgrade on a terminal
[00:53] <tomreyn> but it'd be wise to run this on a tty rather than in a terminal window
[00:53] <tomreyn> !tty
[00:54] <lgc> tomreyn, it's fine with me if it's terminal-only.
[00:54] <tomreyn> lgc: ok, so cancel, and give the above a try.
[00:54] <lgc> Formerly it was 'sudo apt-get ugrade', but it seemingly has changed...
[00:55] <Mead> now it is sudo apt upgrade
[00:55] <tomreyn> neither
[00:55] <tomreyn> thats for updating to the latest pckage versions within a release
[00:55] <Mead> oh
[00:55] <tomreyn> but not for release upgrading.
[00:55]  * Mead didn't read up
[00:56] <tomreyn> in the past, yes, apt-get dist-upgrade is what you did on early ubuntu release.
[00:56] <tomreyn> but that's the diiiistant past
[00:56] <lgc> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, rather.
[00:57] <tomreyn> yes, but there's some "sauce" to that on ubuntu for a while now, which do-release-upgrade handles
[00:57] <lgc> Well, I remained distant from Ubuntu for a couple of years... :)
[00:57] <tomreyn> it's still open source, you can still investigate how it works
[00:59] <lgc> Ok, but tell me, if it's a problem with the mirror, will the command-mode upgrade fix it?
[00:59] <tomreyn> no, but at least we'll know which mirror you'll need to prevent using, and that should make the next run succeed. plus we can report it
[01:00] <lgc> Sounds reasonable, yes.
[01:03] <lgc> tomreyn, I started the update on a tty. Why a tty?
[01:05] <tomreyn> lgc: well, do-release-upgrade is the release upgrade mechanism for servers. it should keep your desktop installed, and upgrade it, but it may not take into account that X is needed for the upgrader to keep working properly during the upgrade.
[01:05] <lgc> It's now downloading at 58 MB/s, which is still low.
[01:06] <tomreyn> 6 kilobytes per second to 58 megabytes per second seem like a huge jump
[01:06] <tomreyn> what's your bandwidth then?
[01:08] <lgc> Oh, no, I was wrong. It's the count of the MB of a given file it has downloaded. Actually, the speed is much, much less, but it's not reported.
[01:10] <tomreyn> you can run a log tail in another tty, if you like
[01:10] <lgc> It's about 5 seconds per 0.1 MB.
[01:10] <tomreyn> i think this is - from memory, you may need to fix the paths,   tail -f /var/log/release-upgrade/main.log
[01:11] <tomreyn> you have not yet told which bandwidth is expected
[01:11] <lgc> The file doesn't seem to exist.
[01:12] <tomreyn>  /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[01:12] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager#Debugging_Procedures
[01:13] <tomreyn> apt-term.log should list the downloads
[01:13] <lgc> It seems you can't tail such kind of files.
[01:21] <lgc> tomreyn, I looked at the log files and nothing seems particularly grave, though I don't understand much of the messages.
[01:22] <lgc> Back at 5KB/s...
[01:23] <tomreyn> lgc: if you'd like to share some:  tail /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt-term,log | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:23] <tomreyn> lgc: you can do the same for main.log
[01:25] <tomreyn> lgc: since you said 58 Megabyte per second (~460 megabit / second) is slow, i'm wondering what you expect to see.
[01:29] <lgc> tomreyn, I clarified I was wrong. However, now I can see the download speed is 10 kB/s.
[01:30] <tomreyn> can't help you if you don't share details.
[01:31] <lgc> What details do you want?
[01:32] <tomreyn> which bandwith do you expect to see, which server is it downloading from, which ubuntu version are oyu upgrading from and to.
[01:32] <tomreyn> you said you'Re upgrading to 18.04
[01:33] <tomreyn> if you can't tell the server it's downloading from, then share logs
[01:34] <lgc> tomreyn, it seems the download is from evowise.com, or something like that.
[01:34] <lgc> And I expect to see download speed in the order of 500 KB/s or more.
[01:35] <lgc> I'm upgrading from 16.04, as I said at the beginning.
[01:36] <tomreyn> you did not say so.
[01:38] <tomreyn> evowise has mirror servers in several countries, so itÄs hard to tell which one you're using.
[01:38] <lgc> I thought so. It's from 16.04.
[01:38] <tomreyn> i see
[01:52] <drewbert> Are there any programmers in here? What would you say is the biggest challenge you face day-to-day with getting work done?
[01:53] <ryuo> drewbert: this isn't a good place for that kind of question.
[01:53] <drewbert> Okay, sorry all. PM if you want to respond. Otherwise ignore me.
[01:54] <ryuo> drewbert: you can ask in #lpmc
[01:54] <drewbert> Thanks ryuo!
[01:55] <DaddyKitty04> Hello
[01:55] <DaddyKitty04> Lot's of people are signing out!
[01:57] <DaddyKitty04> Hello!
[01:57] <tomreyn> !netsplit | DaddyKitty04
[01:57] <tomreyn> also hi there
[01:57] <dax> i think irccloud's just misbehaving
[01:57] <DaddyKitty04> Ok
[01:57] <ryuo> joins/parts are normal noise. i generally ignore them.
[01:57] <DaddyKitty04> I'm just trying HexChat.
[01:58] <DaddyKitty04> Hello graingert
[02:04] <JonD> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[02:11] <swift110> ryuo: I have joins/parts turned pff
[02:17] <wadedy> Anyone have any experience with snap?  or nextcloud?
[02:19] <Bashing-om> !snappy | wadedy
[02:55] <sky_> hey all!
[02:55] <TimeDoctor> hi
[02:56] <sky_> how goes it
[02:56] <TimeDoctor> good, got some trouble with ubuntu?
[02:57] <sky_> i actually have a couple of questions. might destroy some privacy by asking but
[02:57] <sky_> do i configure my vpn through vm or main host for ubuntu?
[02:58] <sky_> *main host OS
[03:31] <yuan> hello
[03:32] <yuan> lol
[03:57] <loser> Hi any cn help me? I need fix repository, where cn I get it?
[04:30] <purpl3s0cks> enjoy your fishing
[04:57] <javery86> Is anyone in here running Ubuntu 19.04? And if so, when you click off of a window and are not directly focused on it, does the orange color in the "x" exit window control button disappear?
[05:12] <mindaugas7> hello, who can help me with gpu passtrough?
[06:09] <hihihuhu> Hello
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | hihihuhu
[06:11] <hihihuhu> I am newbie, then how?
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> hihihuhu: logout, then come back as regular user not as root
[06:12] <hihihuhu> Ok, thx very much, it is bad for my secure?
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> hihihuhu: yes
[06:12] <hihihuhu> Ok
[06:12] <hihihuhu> Thx very much
[06:17] <hihihuhu> How? like this?
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> hihihuhu: thats much better mate
[06:18] <hihihuhu> Ok thx very much
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> hihihuhu: now this is the ubuntu support channel, do you need help with ubuntu?
[06:18] <hihihuhu> I'm newbie, last month I'm install ubuntu
[06:19] <hihihuhu> Where I cn find ubuntu repository?
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> hihihuhu: start from the beginning, what do you want to do exactly?
[06:23] <hihihuhu> what is "sudo" command?
[06:23] <phocking> man sudo
[06:24] <hihihuhu> man sudo?
[06:26] <phocking> yes
[06:26] <phocking> from your ubuntu machine
[06:26] <phocking> issue the `man' command (manual)
[06:26] <phocking> for the `sudo' page
[06:27] <phocking> and it will give you a pretty good story of what sudo is/does/how to use it
[06:27] <phocking> essentially though, the command is to 'do' something as the 'superuser'
[06:27] <phocking> e.g SU-DO
[06:32] <gibi23> Hi
[06:33] <gibi23> I need help please
[06:33] <Bashing-om> !ask | gibi23
[06:34] <gibi23> I have been trying to get my laptop to hibernate when lid is closed for the past 2 days and can't figure things out :/
[06:35] <gibi23> I'm on 18.04 and have tried most tutorials on the web.
[06:36] <gibi23> It seems the root of the problem is none of the commands in logind.conf seem to work...
[06:38] <gibi23> HandleLidSwitch=hibernate does not work at all..
[06:40] <gibi23> And yes I created a swap file that's double my memory and the pm -hibernate command works fine but for some reason does not when lid closes..
[06:44] <guiverc> gibi23, sorry I don't use hibernate, but this may help https://askubuntu.com/questions/768136/how-can-i-hibernate-on-ubuntu-16-04  (it says 16.04, but a 18.04 quested was marked a duplicate of this)
[06:46] <Bilbo0> Can anyone help me with my driver manager thinking I am using a different driver than I am and random freeze ups that seem to be video card driver based?
[06:46] <guiverc> gibi23, also ensure your system is full-upgrade'd , i note an issue that stopped hibernate from working in 18.04 which was fixed with `apt full-upgrade`
[06:48] <gibi23> Ah I
[06:48] <gibi23> ic
[06:49] <gibi23> Sorry I'm a Linux noob, I did click on the update app when I installed Ubuntu. Is that the same thing as that command?
[06:49] <imzadi> is it possible to chainloaf lilio grom grub1
[06:49] <gibi23> And yeah that's the link Ive also been trying and no bueno :(
[06:50] <gibi23> I guess I'm gonna just have to learn to live with suspend instead of hibernate haha
[06:50] <imzadi> grub1 hangs when told to boot ubuntu
[06:53] <guiverc> gibi23, others may be able to offer more (they may have more experience with hibernate; i do know it's hardware dependent, works great on some hardware, can have problems for some without config.. etc)
[06:54] <guiverc> imzadi, i'd suspect it'd be possible to chainload from grub(2) to lilo, but I haven't used lilo in years so opinion only
[06:55] <imzadi> thid has grub1
[06:55] <guiverc> imzadi, what ubuntu are you using to use grub1  thid??
[06:56] <imzadi> it has grub1 from another distro
[06:56] <imzadi> grub2 failed to install
[06:56] <imzadi> lilo installed fine but when chanloading it says nvalid executable format
[06:57] <guiverc> i can't help with 'other distro' - it's off-topic here. but it's old (2010 or before as i recall)
[06:57] <imzadi> is this anpther problrm caused by fake 64 bit from intrl
[06:58] <imzadi> intel screw up
[06:58] <imzadi> intel blew the enyire computer aparr
[06:59] <imzadi> intel blew it apart with fake 64
[07:00] <guiverc> fake 64 bit makes me think of pentium m & the like, they all run grub2 (1.97 & up)
[07:01] <imzadi> it isnt chainlkading lilo
[07:01] <imzadi> it reads invalid executable format
[07:04] <imzadi> thr things cant run
[07:05] <imzadi> all of the files are there
[07:06] <paul__> i'm running ubuntu server in a chrooted sftp server which has a directory mapped to the users home dir which is a s3 bucket mapped by fuse s3fs, I can mount the drive and list the contents, I can write to a folder but when I try move a file into a folder I get opertion not permitted, I su to the user same error, I tried as root same error, I unmounted the s3 bucket and re mounted it. still nothing, it did
[07:06] <paul__> work fine till just before easter where it looked like the mount dropped so i remounted it but i just can't move from the users root dir to the folder, I can create files directly in folder
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> paul__: come join in #ubuntu-server for likeminded volunteers please
[07:07] <paul__> will do thank you
[07:07] <imzadi> paul__ hi
[07:09] <imzadi> did you use a credit card to sign up for amazon paul981
[07:09] <paul98> it's a company account. so i assume so....
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> only ubuntu questions here imzadi
[07:10] <guiverc> imzadi, many legacy grub 0.97 do not support ext4 (https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2292617) so the fix may be using ext3 (assuming you're using ext4)
[07:10] <imzadi> which is stopping yout intention is it amazon or the system
[07:10] <guiverc> imzadi, please stay on-topic (Ubuntu Support)
[07:11] <imzadi> guiverc no that idnt a fix that id a reinstall
[07:11] <dax> imzadi: stick to your own support request, please. i've noticed unhelpful comments from you quite a bit recently on your various nicks, and i am somewhat bored of it
[07:11] <imzadi> dax I was board by your apps, paintings of nikola tesla
[07:12] <imzadi> what do you expect me to do with a painying of nikola tesla
[07:13] <paul98> if your pointing out the fact s3 bucket costs for data transfer and it's blocked by that, then no it isn't that
[07:13] <paul98> but i'll ask in #ubuntu-server
[07:27] <qwebirc55257> greetings
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> welcome to ubuntu support qwebirc55257
[07:29] <qwebirc55257> so im trying to run pihole in docker.... was following some tutorials, and found that networ-manager was missing attempted to add it but now i cant install anything due to some dns issues
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc55257: for arm devices you might want to try the arm channel
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> !arm | qwebirc55257
[07:38] <javery86> Anyone know how to get "Dark Mode" and "Slim Mode" buttons within the Gnome Settings Background section like that is available  in Pop!_OS?
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> javery86: popOs! is a derivative of ubuntu and not support here, you can contact the system76 crew for that
[07:43] <javery86> Sounds good. Thanks!
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> javery86: another option could be installing vanilla ubuntu and have the full support here :p
[07:44] <RamK> aby Indian like to help me in Hindi ?
[07:44] <RamK> Any*
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> !in | RamK
[07:45] <RamK> lotuspsychje thanks
[07:47] <javery86> Sounds like a plan! Thanks again!
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> welcome javery86
[07:47] <javery86> I appreciate it.
[07:48] <RamK> anyone like to help about dual boot backbox with win10 ?
[07:48] <ducasse> RamK: backbox is not supported here
[07:48] <RamK> I know this is not a chann to discuss about other Distro
[07:48] <RamK> even if any polite person to be able to help ?
[07:49] <ducasse> it's got nothing to do with politeness, it's offtopic
[07:49] <RamK> if you help me here when you got my message already ,it will be nothing change or it will make a war if you help me here
[07:49] <RamK> is it ?
[07:50] <RamK> people follow the rules like a kiddo
[07:50] <RamK> rules are made to be broken
[07:50] <RamK> shame*
[07:51] <Xtreme> Hey Guys,
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> RamK: start here please: https://community.backbox.org/
[07:51] <Xtreme> I am running on Ubuntu 19.04
[07:51] <Xtreme> I am trying to install ukuu  on my system.
[07:51] <Xtreme> I have added the ppa, but when i try to install the package, it says package not found.
[07:51] <RamK> lotuspsychje there is many forum to post , but what about live help
[07:51] <javery86> Did you already add the PPA, Xtreme?
[07:51] <Xtreme> javery86, yes.
[07:52] <Xtreme> And i see that ppa has main for disco
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> Xtreme: to play with kernels we reccomend using !mainline on ubuntu
[07:52] <javery86> Then just go to your PPA manager and change it from "disco" to "bionic".
[07:52] <dax> RamK: #backbox on irc.autistici.org, apparently. Not this channel, in any case.
[07:52] <javery86> I had the same problem, and solved it.
[07:52] <javery86> Then after you install it, just change it back.
[07:52] <RamK> ohk dax
[07:52] <Xtreme> javery86, makes sense. but as i can see that ppa actually has disco
[07:53] <dax> (there's also a telegram chat on the link lotuspsychje gave you)
[07:53] <javery86> Correct. It's for the paid version though.
[07:53] <Xtreme> javery86, aah okay. that clears it out.
[07:53] <Xtreme> thanks
[07:53] <javery86> That PPA is not based on the free version which is what you're trying to download I assume?
[07:53] <Xtreme> lotuspsychje, whats mainline?
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | Xtreme
[07:53] <Xtreme> javery86, it is.
[07:53] <ducasse> javery86: Xtreme installing packages built for another release is not recommended, ask the maintainer to build packages for disco
[07:54] <Xtreme> lotuspsychje, yes UKUU downloads from there itself.
[07:54] <Xtreme> I thought it was another package like ukuu
[07:54] <EriC^^> RamK: maybe in ##linux they wouldnt mind since it's a more general channel (ill be there btw *wink* *wink*)
[07:54] <Xtreme> ducasse, yup.
[07:54] <ducasse> Xtreme: iirc there is a snap for ukuu?
[07:54] <Xtreme> ducasse, nope
[07:55] <RamK> EriC^^ you know people just follow the rules
[07:56] <RamK> even of you think would be helpful to someone then please take a look - https://pasteboard.co/IbUvUlp.jpg
[07:56] <RamK> I got this error while installing backb inside win10
[07:57] <RamK> what they ask to format my hardisk ?
[07:57] <RamK> I don't understand the message box
[07:57] <ducasse> RamK: ok, you can stop now. you've been told what you can do.
[07:57] <RamK> ducasse hmm
[07:57] <RamK> ic
[07:57] <RamK> ducasse you know here too many hidden OP's
[07:58] <EriC^^> RamK: it's not an error, it's just a final warning before continuing, you can press continue and it would have installed it
[07:59] <EriC^^> RamK: do you have a live session in the installer where you get a terminal or desktop to test it first?
[07:59] <RamK> what happen to when it says - the following partition are going to be format'
[07:59] <RamK> EriC^^ yes I've live dvd for installation
[08:00] <EriC^^> RamK: its going to format the 2 partitions for linux, the main root ext4 one and a swap one
[08:00] <RamK> EriC^^ okay , but what it didn't erase  my data ?
[08:00] <EriC^^> RamK: i think by default the installer doesnt shrink the windows one to use that space for them, i think usually a person has to shrink it in windows/gparted and then it will just use whatever space is unallocated
[08:01] <EriC^^> RamK: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" in the live dvd and paste the link here it will give partitions info
[08:01] <RamK> I face many some problem while installing distro's
[08:01] <RamK> some*
[08:01] <EriC^^> many some :D
[08:01] <RamK> I'm now on win
[08:01] <RamK> window*
[08:02] <EriC^^> it's normal
[08:02] <Xtreme> Btw, any ukuu alternative out there?
[08:02] <adac> hmm somehow the menu entries for adobe acrobat are missing since I upgraded to bionic
[08:02] <EriC^^> RamK: ok take a screenshot of the diskmanagement window
[08:02] <adac> Also for firefox they are not there it seems
[08:04] <FrogCast> Hey my program will not launch any subprocess, given that it is already using too much ram. There with a parameter that I manually have to edit from 0 to 1, but I forget what it is.
[08:04] <FrogCast> Anyone have any idea what it is?
[08:05] <FrogCast> i think it is overcommit_memory
[08:09] <RamK> EriC^^  got dc ,any msg
[08:09] <EriC^^> RamK: ok take a screenshot of the diskmanagement window
[08:10] <RamK> okay
[08:20] <mkxtwo> hey i'm installing kubuntu and don't know what partition type to set for the boot device. its BIOS, dos partitioning table, 1 hard drive with 512M boot partition, the rest for LVM. what would the correct partition label in fdisk?
[08:20] <mkxtwo> *be
[08:21] <EriC^^> mkxtwo: just set the bootflag on the /boot partition
[08:21] <EriC^^> it's only necessary cause some bios won't boot the MBR unless they find a partition with said flag, it's not really required by linux for booting, fwiw
[08:22] <mkxtwo> thank you :)
[08:22] <EriC^^> no problem :)
[08:23] <RamK> https://pasteboard.co/IcO4dOE.png
[08:23] <RamK> EriC^^ ^
[08:23] <mkxtwo> and how can i rescan the disk after i changed the partition table? don't want to reboot the liveusb
[08:23] <EriC^^> mkxtwo: sudo partprobe
[08:23] <mkxtwo> you rock
[08:25] <EriC^^> RamK: it looks like there's some unallocated space at the end, it looks very small though
[08:26] <EriC^^> RamK: if you can shrink one of the volumes inside the extended logical partition ( from O: to H: ) you'd be set, you need like 15gb for a comfy ubuntu install
[08:27] <EriC^^> RamK: you'd need to do right click -> shrink and set the amount in MBs
[08:29] <RamK> I want to shrink disk "E" now - https://pasteboard.co/IcO8lYt.png
[08:29] <RamK> EriC^^ I've more free space in disk E
[08:30] <EriC^^> RamK: you have to defrag it first, the files aren't compacted next to eachother now so it can't easily shrink it
[08:31] <EriC^^> defrag it and try again it should let you shrink a good amount of the free space from the volume
[08:31] <mkxone> now when i run "sudo partprobe" i throws this warning "Warning: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes" and lsblk still shows old partitions
[08:32] <RamK> I don't understand , defragment I think Its a automatic process
[08:32] <EriC^^> RamK: no it's not, you have to do it, i mean set it to run, not manually do it :D
[08:33] <EriC^^> RamK: https://www.windowscentral.com/why-and-how-defragment-your-pcs-hard-drive-windows-10
[08:34] <EriC^^> no need to defrag the whole drive right now, just volume E:
[08:37] <RamK> no E disk found here - https://pasteboard.co/IcObF6p.png
[08:37] <RamK> EriC^^ ^
[08:42] <EriC^^> RamK: is it currently mounted? it shows in My PC ?
[08:43] <RamK> https://pasteboard.co/IcOdTVTl.png
[08:43] <RamK> compare with list and scroll
[08:44] <RamK> there is no E disk in defrag
[08:44] <EriC^^> RamK: yeah, it seems that the error actually is about something else not defragment, reading here now https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-files/my-disk-drive-is-not-shrink-beyond-the-point/b2108d53-fc52-420a-bf8c-33594372660c
[08:46] <RamK> let me try
[08:46] <EriC^^> RamK: this page seems nicer https://somoit.net/windows/windows-cannot-shrink-volume-unmovable-files
[08:46] <RamK> that's actually making a long story run about dual boot
[08:47] <EriC^^> RamK: check the 2nd page, its very well done
[08:47] <RamK> is that a safe link ?
[08:47] <EriC^^> RamK: first start with the event log as they mentioned, it should list the actual system file that's stopping it from doing the shrinking
[08:48] <EriC^^> yeah as far as i can tell
[08:49] <RamK> okay let me try
[08:50] <EriC^^> RamK: go to application log -> defrag events
[08:51] <EriC^^> RamK: it can be either a hibernation file, pagefile or the system protection file (that lets you revert stuff), since E: isnt the main drive like C: i doubt it's the first 2, see if the system protection is enabled for it
[08:52] <EriC^^> open a cmd prompt and type SystemPropertiesProtection.exe then look at E: if it's enabled
[09:05] <sophiak> hi
[09:05] <sophiak> fsdfa
[09:06] <Tuor> Should question about install kubuntu (more precise the partitioning with the installer) be asked in #kubuntu or here? I asked in #kubuntu, bu it seems it's not the right time... (Yes I waited an hour).
[09:07] <ducasse> Tuor: you can ask here, it's the same installer
[09:07] <sophiak> what should i ask
[09:08] <sophiak> ?
[09:08] <ducasse> sophiak: i wasn't talking to you
[09:08] <sophiak> shut up
[09:08] <lali> nbj
[09:08] <lali> hallo
[09:08] <lali> hallloooo
[09:08] <sophiak> who are you
[09:08] <lali> pia
[09:09] <sophiak> ahhhh
[09:09] <sophiak> heyyyy
[09:09] <lali> jaaaaaa
[09:09] <lali> mureadddd
[09:09] <Tuor> Hi, I'm testing the installation of kubuntu 19.04 in virtualbox (host KDE Neon (based on ubuntu 16.04). I try to reproduce my setup on a other device and want to test it first (specialy VM snapshots between stepts).
[09:09] <Tuor> My new device will have other operating systems (Windows and other Linux) on the same disk. In the VM I'm at the installers partitioning step. I did create a partition for /boot and one for encryption. Now I'm stuck, how can I set a password and how can I create a LVM volume group inside? See a screenshot of how it looks: https://i.imgur.com/a4iDGyc.png
[09:09] <lali> noo
[09:09] <lali> byeee
[09:09] <sophiak> was ist das
[09:09] <Tuor> If there would be no other operating system on the disk, I could let the installer handle it by him self. But I have other operating systems on the new computer and don't want to overwrite them.
[09:09] <ducasse> !support | lali sophiak
[09:09] <hannahf> hi
[09:09] <lali> error
[09:09] <hannahf> moin
[09:09] <lali> halloooo
[09:09] <sophiak> hannaaaaaah
[09:10] <lali> machts spaß
[09:10] <hannahf> ja molin
[09:10] <lali> wtf
[09:10] <hannahf> joa
[09:10] <lali> hi
[09:10] <lali> sahdshc
[09:10] <sophiak_> eyyy
[09:10] <hannahf> ja?
[09:10] <sophiak_> niiiix
[09:10] <hannahf> pfff
[09:10] <lali> LACH ALLEINE HAHAHHA
[09:10] <hannahf> wow
[09:11] <sophiak_> sei leise
[09:11] <hannahf> schnauze
[09:11] <sophiak_> haha er geht
[09:11] <ducasse> !ops | cleanup in aisle #ubuntu
[09:11] <hannahf> gleich werden wir gesperrt
[09:11] <sophiak_> jauuuu
[09:11] <sophiak_> ich ggogle
[09:12] <sophiak_> google zuhause mal
[09:12] <hannahf> wer sind die anderen?
[09:12] <sophiak_> schreibt mal
[09:12] <lali> idk
[09:12] <lali> gruselig
[09:12] <hannahf> lennox ist im internet und macht da irgendwas haha
[09:12] <sophiak_> wer ist "barbaracha"
[09:12] <hannahf> Virus
[09:13] <lali> ahhahahaha
[09:13] <lali> blocksberg
[09:13] <lali> hex hex
[09:13] <ducasse> !de | hannahf lali
[09:14] <lali> hello
[09:14] <sophiak> okay
[09:14] <sophiak> hi
[09:14] <hannahf> lol
[09:14] <sophiak> who are you
[09:14] <lali> what the fuck
[09:14] <hannahf> i can't speak english
[09:14] <hannahf> sorrrrryyyy
[09:14] <sophiak> learn
[09:14] <ducasse> do you guys have an ubuntu question?
[09:14] <sophiak> yes
[09:15] <lali> jes
[09:15] <sophiak> who is in here
[09:15] <hannahf> what is that? ubuntu?
[09:15] <lali> where are you
[09:15] <hannahf> where are you from?
[09:15] <sophiak> bye
[09:15] <hannahf> adjioo
[09:15] <sophiak> heyy
[09:15] <hannahf> heyyyy
[09:15] <sophiak> who are you
[09:15] <lali> huhu
[09:15] <hannahf> whats uppp
[09:16] <Ben64> !cookie | Drone
[09:17] <ducasse> good bot
[09:25] <half_duplex> Evening all.
[09:28] <Tuor> I don't know if my question from befor is now to much (thx to spam) up (not on screen anymore). I asked it '09 this hour. Just so it doesn't get lost...
[09:28] <RamK> EriC^^ here protection enable only for C drive. I've set max usage 3gb/10% of my total C disk size
[09:31] <RamK> and recently clean up restore points
[09:36] <ducasse> Tuor: you can ask it again every 15-20 minutes
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> RamK: please seek help in the channel dax provided you
[09:37] <RamK> EriC^^ do I need to enable protection for drive E too ,then I'll able to defrag my disk E,after then I can Shrink,after then dual boot ?
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> !guidelines | RamK
[09:37] <Tuor> ducasse: may I pm you?
[09:37] <RamK> lotuspsychje what's matter , they are all IT related Q
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> RamK: please if you want to argue about it, ask in #ubuntu-ops
[09:38] <EriC^^> RamK: i'd ask in ##windows about why the volume isn't showing up in optimization window, i'm not sure why it's not even there, it's kind of odd, did you check the event log for anything related to the shrinking attempt?
[09:38] <ducasse> Tuor: ask in the channel, so more people can help
[09:38] <EriC^^> RamK: i did find the cli way to defrag, but i'm hesitant to run it since maybe there's a good reason it's not in the list, i'd ask in ##windows cause they should know more about the issue
[09:38] <RamK> lotuspsychje are you an a OP of this chan ?
[09:38] <Tuor> ducasse: I just wanted to make shure, you don't make jokes and it is ok I ask again.
[09:39] <ducasse> Tuor: yes, it is ok
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> RamK: lets not discuss that here
[09:39] <Tuor> Hi, I'm testing the installation of kubuntu 19.04 in virtualbox (host KDE Neon (based on ubuntu 16.04). I try to reproduce my setup on a other device and want to test it first (specialy VM snapshots between stepts).
[09:39] <Tuor> My new device will have other operating systems (Windows and other Linux) on the same disk. In the VM I'm at the installers partitioning step. I did create a partition for /boot and one for encryption. Now I'm stuck, how can I set a password and how can I create a LVM volume group inside? See a screenshot of how it looks: https://i.imgur.com/a4iDGyc.png
[09:40] <Tuor> If there would be no other operating system on the disk, I could let the installer handle it by him self. But I have other operating systems on the new computer and don't want to overwrite them.
[09:40] <RamK> EriC^^ I have been there too , also they suggest to join linux when they hear in my question involve linux matter
[09:40] <EriC^^> RamK: and no you don't need to enable protection, it would let you not defrag anymore
[09:40] <EriC^^> RamK: it doesnt though, only tell them that you're trying to shrink the volume E: that's all
[09:43] <Zenidd> hi !
[09:43] <Zenidd> someone online ?
[09:44] <ducasse> Zenidd: yes, just ask your question
[09:45] <Zenidd> aw yeah
[09:45] <Zenidd> well on pentesting purposes i want to hide a port to see if my antimalware software is triggered
[09:45] <Zenidd> but i dont know how to do it
[09:51] <ducasse> Zenidd: ask in ##security or ##networking
[10:56] <thestand19> ubuntu 18.10 and 19.04 same problem. When the laptop is closed the computer is mute until a restart is done which fix the sound problem. Any ideas?
[10:57] <EriC^^> thestand19: did you find any command that unmutes it after the suspend?
[10:57] <thestand19> no
[10:57] <thestand19> alsamixer didnt fix it
[10:58] <thestand19> i could unmute thru there but nothing..
[10:59] <EriC^^> thestand19: does "alsa force-reload" help?
[11:04] <thestand19> Just ran that command - no change
[11:04] <EriC^^> thestand19: give this a try, it's worth a shot https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1348916&highlight=suspend&page=3
[11:05] <EriC^^> thestand19: if you're able to manually get the sound working again via some tool or settings, then you could add that to the script that runs after resume and have it do it automatically, some guy found that going to settings > output and reselecting what's there helped
[11:06] <thestand19> Thanks
[11:06] <EriC^^> no problem
[11:08] <thestand19> Not sure if this is important, in settings the device is changed from speakers to headphones by itself
[11:08] <thestand19> ie after the laptop is reopened
[11:08] <EriC^^> thestand19: aha
[11:09] <EriC^^> thestand19: try "pavucontrol" then go to output and see what's there
[11:12] <thestand19> shows me the speakers as unavailable
[11:13] <hans_> what is the difference between "end of standard support" and "end of life" here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[11:14] <thestand19> it shows headphones as plugged in which they are not
[11:14] <EriC^^> thestand19: try "pulseaudio --kill"
[11:14] <EriC^^> thestand19: then see the new settings in pavucontrol
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> hans_: the last end of life means end of life of the ESM too
[11:16] <hans_> ok
[11:16] <hans_> and "End of Standard Support
[11:16] <hans_> " means end of free security updates?
[11:17] <thestand19> its the same setting
[11:17] <Cheez> yes hans_
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> hans_: standerd is the eol for regular users, the last eol for payed ESM
[11:17] <EriC^^> it still says headphones not speakers?
[11:17] <EriC^^> thestand19: ^
[11:17] <Cheez> because the table right below shows that ESM starts on taht date
[11:17] <hans_> gotcha thanks
[11:18] <thestand19> yes, headphones
[11:20] <EriC^^> thestand19: ok give 'pasuspender /bin/true' a shot and see if the audio works
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:25] <thestand19> still silence
[11:27] <tested> hi, i'm looking for gnome shell extensions for ubuntu 19.04
[11:27] <tested> where i can download it from or package name?
[11:27] <thestand19> even though it says output headphones if i plug them in i still cant get sound thru that
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> tested: from https://extensions.gnome.org/ just keep in mind extensions can live an own life inside gnome, be aware wich to trust
[11:29] <EriC^^> thestand19: does this help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/190146/no-sound-after-suspend-resume
[11:30] <tested> i checked there but no help :/
[11:30] <tested> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jgczsb8mM6/
[11:30] <tested> sudo apt-get install chrome-gnome-shell show no package
[11:31] <EriC^^> thestand19: this sounds very much like your issue, headphones and speakers not found and everything, also it's 18.10, try this instead https://askubuntu.com/questions/1139084/main-sound-device-disappear-after-sleep-mode
[11:32] <thestand19> Eric, thats what am going to try. I will report back later on today. Thanks for your help
[11:32] <EriC^^> thestand19: alright, no problem
[12:03] <stan19> EriC: Everything's all fixed. Thank you again !!
[12:07] <tested> sorry i was went offline due to electricity cut
[12:08] <tested> so what i missed regarding my no package issue :/
[12:08] <tested> sudo apt-get install chrome-gnome-shell = no package :/
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> tested: gnome extensions are installed via the link i provided you, not via apt
[12:11] <tested> yeah, it installed in browser but i'm working on Although GNOME Shell integration extension is running, native host connector is not detected.
[12:12] <tested> so following apt command :/
[12:34] <tested> lotuspsychje it was ubuntu setting issue lol
[12:35] <tested> Thanks anyways :)
[12:38] <kazdax> what is a channel thats dedicated to computer security ?
[12:38] <LordDragon> hey all
[12:38] <kazdax> hello
[12:38] <tomreyn> !alis | kazdax
[12:39] <Xtreme> Hello everyone,
[12:39] <legreffier> kazdax: most wargames servers have dedicated irc servers. search for a #social chan on them for a start. smashthestack is a pretty rad one
[12:40] <Xtreme> after installing daily snapshot of alsa via dkms, i have lost my output device.
[12:41] <LordDragon> in a "ls -l" what the number after the permissions?
[12:41] <LordDragon> is it the user id?
[12:41] <Paavi2_0> LordDragon: file size?
[12:42] <LordDragon> hmm
[12:42] <LordDragon> no
[12:42] <LordDragon> drwx------ 6 lorddragon lorddragon 4096 Nov  3  2017 networks
[12:42] <LordDragon> the "6" is what im referring to
[12:43] <Paavi2_0> file type, i guess. most of my files have 1 and directories 2
[12:43] <zette> Hi
[12:44] <LordDragon> hmm ok. just trying to see if the user id in the permissions matches my current user
[12:45] <LordDragon> while they have the same name, the ID might be different or something
[12:45] <shaggyboombastic> hello
[12:45] <zette> Hello too
[12:45] <shaggyboombastic> and welcome to another episode of legit food review
[12:45] <legreffier> LordDragon: it's the number of links pointing to that directory.
[12:46] <LordDragon> legreffier: ahhh ok. thank you :)
[12:46] <shaggyboombastic> anyone else using pop os
[12:46] <LordDragon> how does ubuntu define users? is it just the text name? or is there a numeric value?
[12:46] <zette> Nothing, I using Kali
[12:46] <legreffier> https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/140944 link definition is not your usual ln -s , LordDragon
[12:46] <LordDragon> in the permissins i mean
[12:47] <kazdax> zette do you practice hacking ?
[12:47] <kazdax> since you use kali
[12:47] <shaggyboombastic> white people always have scared me
[12:47] <legreffier> LordDragon: technically, just a number. relevant to whatever /etc/passwd says.
[12:47] <zette> No, seriously
[12:47] <kazdax> you mean after hitler ?
[12:48] <kazdax> or the KKK back in the 20s ?
[12:48] <zette> I just like with kali performance
[12:48] <kazdax> kali comes overloaded with alot of apps
[12:48] <tomreyn> !ot | kazdax, zette
[12:48] <shaggyboombastic> nah im just talking about a song by london yellow
[12:48] <LordDragon> legreffier: my problem i think is that i backed up files to another filesystem and then copied them back, and i dont seem to be able to write to them now, and even though it says my user is the same, i wonder if the iD's are different
[12:49] <zette> What it kali channel?
[12:49] <zette> is*
[12:49] <pragmaticenigma> !alis | zette
[12:49] <tomreyn> shaggyboombastic: what ubottu just said also applies to you.
[12:49] <shaggyboombastic> my dick is quick and my dick pays rent
[12:49] <tomreyn> !ot | shaggyboombastic
[12:50] <legreffier> LordDragon: it depends a lot on how you copied it and the fs you wrote to
[12:50] <shaggyboombastic> ok
[12:50] <legreffier> even for OT shaggyboombastic is way out of line. please troll with the ethernet cable pulled out.
[12:50] <kazdax> he could use wireless tho :D
[12:51] <shaggyboombastic> ouch fam
[12:51] <kazdax> i thought #security was an open chanel
[12:51] <shaggyboombastic> 14.4k dial up works well with pop os
[12:51] <tomreyn> kazdax: that's not an ubuntu support topic
[12:51] <tomreyn> shaggyboombastic: this neither.
[12:52] <shaggyboombastic> pop os is based upon ubuntu
[12:52] <tomreyn> but not ubuntu, so we don'T support it here
[12:52] <tomreyn> try ##linux
[12:52] <shaggyboombastic> ok
[12:52] <EriC^^> LordDragon: if the name is the same then the uid is the same, as it uses the uid in the files and replaces it with the corresponding user name on the running system, maybe the permissions are off or it's mounted read-only?
[12:53] <pragmaticenigma> shaggyboombastic: but it is *NOT* ubuntu... they have altered the core of it enough that we do not have documentation that helps the volunteers here troubleshoot.
[12:53] <LordDragon> EriC^^: hmm not sure
[12:53] <EriC^^> LordDragon: what does "stat /path/to/mounted/fs" give?
[12:53] <LordDragon> brb
[12:54] <u0_a137> testtt
[12:54] <refalleo> test
[12:54] <zette> test
[12:54] <refalleo> hello world
[12:54] <jdr> hello world
[12:54] <zette> hello too world :v
[12:55] <lotterbube> hello world
[12:56] <ettez> Hm :v
[12:57] <refalleo> ha ha ha :)
[12:57] <refalleo> i like your all
[12:57] <zette> I like u too :*
[12:58] <jeremy31> zette refalleo This channel is for Ubuntu support, you can chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:58] <refalleo> what are you come zette
[12:59] <zette> jeremy31, Any kali channel?
[12:59] <zette> nothing rafelleo :v
[12:59] <jeremy31> zette: #kali-linux
[13:00] <zette> Thanks for jeremy31 :)
[13:01] <zette> I think Ubuntu same with linux, and now I know that is kali different
[13:01] <zette> with kali*
[13:01] <refalleo> ha ha ha i forget vrivt zette :D
[13:02] <zette> I cnt join in that channel jeremy31
[13:03] <zette> refallo, r u using ubuntu?
[13:04] <refalleo> ubuntu channel its ok, i like that
[13:04] <jeremy31> zette: try ##linux
[13:04] <zette> I cnt join in this channel :(
[13:05] <BluesKaj> zette, maybe you need to register your nick
[13:06] <zette> How to register my nick?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> !register
[13:06] <BluesKaj> zette, ^
[13:06] <zette> Ok friend :)
[13:09] <zette> Register using email?
[13:10] <tomreyn> zette: you can get help with irc in #freenode
[13:10] <zette> #freenode
[13:13] <vincenzoml> Hi, I am a bit in trouble, I ran "do-dist-upgrade" in a terminal; while doing that I pressed ctrl+alt+N to create a new window and the terminal crashed. Now what? The dpkg process seems to be running but how do I resume the whole thing?
[13:13] <vincenzoml> it had already passed the upgrade of libc and the restart of services, and was likely doing an apt dist-upgrade
[13:13] <EriC^^> vincenzoml: you mean sudo do-release-upgrade right?
[13:14] <vincenzoml> EriC^^: yes I do mean that :)
[13:14] <rezooh> First time using ubuntu and was wondering does samba have an up-to-date gui version?
[13:15] <EriC^^> vincenzoml: did you happen to use screen or tmux or so by any chance? it's the only thing that's coming to mind that might help
[13:15] <vincenzoml> EriC^^: I know about screen and tmux, but was not using that
[13:16] <vincenzoml> I think I can wait for the dpkg process to finish, but I do not know if the script would have done something else (for instance put back my custom apt sources)
[13:16] <EriC^^> other than that you could try killing whatever process it's hung up on and let it continue somewhat, like if it is asking some question it'll just go on
[13:16] <tomreyn> vincenzoml: does this output anything?  sudo screen -list
[13:16] <EriC^^> vincenzoml: i think if it's anything like the usual apt process you'll find 2 dpkg's in ps aux, one the main dpkg, the other is some question it's hung up on
[13:16] <vincenzoml> tomreyn: no, I was not using screen by any means :)
[13:17] <EriC^^> vincenzoml: try "ps aux | grep dpkg" after tomreyn 's command
[13:17] <vincenzoml> wait
[13:17] <vincenzoml> right
[13:17] <EriC^^> i wish apt would require to use screen or tmux or so for these stuff, it happens more than you think and there's no way to "plug" back in to the terminal and read stuff or give input
[13:17] <vincenzoml> tomreyn: yes you're right, sorry
[13:17] <tomreyn> ok, i was thinking do-release-upgrade spawns a screen session by default
[13:18] <tomreyn> vincenzoml: right abou twhat?
[13:18] <vincenzoml> it's very smart that the upgrade process uses screen
[13:18] <vincenzoml> automatically, I mean
[13:18] <EriC^^> tomreyn: yeah i think it might too, iirc i've seen something like that
[13:18] <vincenzoml> And it was a great idea to come here to ask it seems!
[13:18] <vincenzoml> thanks, I've resumed the session (for anyone reading this log later, I ran "screen -R")
[13:19] <EriC^^> great
[13:19] <EriC^^> !cookies | tomreyn \o/
[13:19] <EriC^^> !cookie | tomreyn
[13:19] <tomreyn> ;-)
[13:19] <vincenzoml> ok but can I send a coin to ubottu for a coffee too?
[13:19] <JonelethIrenicus> how can i repair systemd boot to add a windows NVMe UEFI drive?
[13:20] <EriC^^> JonelethIrenicus: can you explain what you're trying to do, the backstory?
[13:20] <jeremy31> JonelethIrenicus: are you actually using systemd boot rather than grub?
[13:25] <JonelethIrenicus> jeremy31: yes
[13:25] <JonelethIrenicus> EriC^^: i am trying to optionally boot from an additional drive which already has Windows installed.
[13:26] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: can you run this and post the url it returns?   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";)
[13:28] <JonelethIrenicus> Linux version 5.0.0-13-generic (buildd@lcy01-amd64-020) (gcc version 8.3.0 (Ubuntu 8.3.0-6ubuntu1)) #14-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 15 14:59:14 UTC 2019
[13:28] <JonelethIrenicus> initrd=\EFI\Pop_OS-aeb4dd26-4f54-4585-ad1b-dc0596fe7b96\initrd.img root=UUID=aeb4dd26-4f54-4585-ad1b-dc0596fe7b96 ro quiet loglevel=0 systemd.show_status=false splash
[13:28] <EriC^^> JonelethIrenicus: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-boot#Adding_loaders
[13:28] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: Pop OS is not supported here.
[13:29] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: :(
[13:29] <jeremy31> JonelethIrenicus: you might be able to run the bootctl command like you did when you first installed systemd boot.  I know it will add windows from the same drive
[13:30] <EriC^^> JonelethIrenicus: the link above explains how to add multiple bootloaders to systemd, give it a check as well
[13:30] <JonelethIrenicus> ok thanks fellas
[13:31] <tomreyn> here's how you can install Ubuntu and get support here: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-install-ubuntu-desktop
[13:31] <tomreyn> in the meantime, there is ##linux
[13:32] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: pop-os is basically Ubuntu and their repos are even compatible with base Ubuntu
[13:32] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: it's not Ubuntu, though. It has central differences, such as the boot loader
[13:33] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: which honestly anyone on ubuntu could also switch to right?
[13:33] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: it's easy. you run ubuntu, you get support here, you don't run ubuntu, you'll need to look for support elsewhere.
[13:33] <tomreyn> (and this is not the first time you were told so.)
[13:33] <JonelethIrenicus> i am running ubuntu, but I had a popos installer and I get popOS repos which are much better support for Nvidia drivers and CUDA
[13:33] <JimBuntu> JonelethIrenicus, it's not only tomreyn who believes that PopOS is not supported here, it's literal fact. Some may help you, but the conversation could also be shut down at any time.
[13:33] <JonelethIrenicus> very small difference but ok
[13:34] <JonelethIrenicus> well I will help people with any Ubuntu derivitive
[13:34] <JimBuntu> Using non-Ubuntu repos is also not accepted, sorry.
[13:34] <JonelethIrenicus> JimBuntu: then that literally means every single PPA
[13:34] <JimBuntu> JonelethIrenicus, yes, it sure does
[13:35] <JonelethIrenicus> haha
[13:35] <JonelethIrenicus> not realistic
[13:36] <JimBuntu> Well, I am not sure how long it has been this way, but it is currently. I don't want to keep posting in the support channel about this though. This kind of discussion is normally meant for #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-ops if continued :-(
[13:36] <JonelethIrenicus> yeah its a fun conversation nonetheless
[13:39] <geodb27> People : hi ! Is that normal that the installer jumps back to the initial screen when one fills in the search domains when configuring manually the ip address of the machine ? And the same when trying to alter the partition table preset when selecting "full disk with lvm" ?
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> geodb27: ubuntu version please?
[13:40] <geodb27> Maybe wrong channel, sorry, this was meant for the server edition of ubuntu 18.04 LTS server.
[13:40] <leftyfb> geodb27: I think that's a known bug with the live installer
[13:40] <leftyfb> geodb27: try the classic installer
[13:41] <geodb27> Oh... I didn't know there were two kinds of installer... I'll check this out. Thanks leftyfb !
[13:41] <leftyfb> geodb27: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.2/release/ubuntu-18.04.2-server-amd64.iso
[13:41] <geodb27> That's the one I have !
[13:41] <tomreyn> geodb27: no, you have the live-server one
[13:42] <geodb27> Oh, seen ! I read too quickly ! Thank you so much !
[13:42] <tomreyn> geodb27: you can actually switch to a different tty on the one you have now, and run: sudo snap refresh
[13:43] <leftyfb> tomreyn: ah, the fix has been released?
[13:43] <geodb27> I'll give a try to the live installer !
[13:43] <tomreyn> leftyfb: it's on the snap store.
[13:43] <geodb27> Grrr... To the classic one...
[13:43] <tomreyn> geodb27: if you snap refresh this should work
[13:43] <tomreyn> n need to re-download
[13:44] <tomreyn> *no need
[13:44] <leftyfb> tomreyn: yeah, I understand that. I didn't know they fixed that particular bug in the installer
[13:44] <geodb27> I guess I can't go to another terminal : I try to setup a virtual machine... So, there are not many ttys as on a bare machine.
[13:44] <tomreyn> leftyfb: that's from memory, i might be wrong, but it's easy to find out.
[13:45] <tomreyn> geodb27: usually, yes, but if you have some exotic virtualization, maybe that's so.
[13:46] <geodb27> Well, that's vmware, and the install is made from the vcenter.
[13:46] <tomreyn> use whatever works for you!
[13:46] <tomreyn> :)
[13:48] <wis> how can I connect to wifi with a wifi adapter on Ubuntu Core on RPI2? please discuss in #snappy if it's mandatory.
[13:48] <leftyfb> wis: yes, please seek support in #snappy
[13:49] <geodb27> I'll use the classic installer and I hope things well get fine. Thank you all for your kind help !
[13:50] <tomreyn> you're welcome, geodb27
[13:56] <filip123> hello, I'd like to ask what are the effective differences between debian, ubuntu, and ubuntu derivates (like kubuntu and mint). So anything not related to how it looks
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> !derivatives | filip123
[13:57] <filip123> oh sorry
[13:57] <ryuo> filip123: I can answer that for you. PM?
[13:58] <leftyfb> filip123: ryuo: this sort of discussion is great for #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:14] <Battle> hello all, so I woke to find 2500 bounce back emails sitting in my inbox, checked postfix and found 50,000 pending emails, from what I have investigated I can see that 2 unique IP addresses appear to have succesfully logged into one of the mailboxes and generated this spam... what concerns me is how they got the password in the first place... it is a unique hard to guess password and I saw no
[14:14] <Battle> evidence of failed attempts (brute force) it just was login and boom , it seems they ran a test email first as there was some pause between the spam starting and their first email sent out
[14:15] <Battle> I have completely locked down the server but I'm wondering what would you all recommend I do at this stage?
[14:16] <Battle> I have changed all account passwords, locked off login attempts entirely to the mail server unless it is from a specific IP address (mine) so there's no chance of the spam again but I want to make sure they cannot get into the system somne other way if thats possible?
[14:16] <lordcirth__> Battle, if they had the password of a user, could they have ssh'd in?
[14:16] <ChunkzZ> is there a massive difference in terms of speed for an ubuntu server? the specs I'm using aren't great....
[14:16] <lordcirth__> ChunkzZ, vs Windows, you mean?
[14:17] <ChunkzZ> lordcirth__, vs 18 LTS.
[14:17] <lordcirth__> ChunkzZ, 18.04 LTS vs what? 19.04?
[14:17] <ChunkzZ> 19.04 yeah. sorry.
[14:17] <lordcirth__> No, you're not likely to see a difference in performance in general usage.
[14:18] <Battle> lordcirth__ this is possible however, i do not believe they have done that. the port is not default firstly and I automatically get notifeid of any SSH logins which I did not , I can also see that when I checked previous ssh logins, and 'history' for commands entered its all just me
[14:19] <EriC^^> Battle: maybe the person whose login they had shared the password or he did it possibly?
[14:19] <lordcirth__> Battle, do you have any idea how the password could have been leaked?
[14:19] <Battle> no that person is me, it was one my inboxes
[14:20] <Battle> I cannot see how it could of
[14:20] <Battle> but
[14:20] <Battle> it is worth noting that maybe 6months? a website I was registered with was compromised...and the passwords/emails were leaked in plain text
[14:20] <lordcirth__> Battle, and this was the same password? I thought you said it was unique?
[14:21] <Battle> ever since then, various places the I happened to use that email and password on...were taken over (and fixed by me) or security alerts of blocked logins were sent to me at which point i fixed those, 90% of these were places that werent important...
[14:21] <Battle> the odd thing is , I did not use this password on this account...
[14:22] <Battle> no, this account did not use the password that were compromised
[14:22] <Battle> once i found out about the other website being compromised, I went through and changed all important account passwords (even those that were not the compromised one)
[14:22] <Battle> just for good measure
[14:23] <Battle> the password on this mailbox was never in that leak, this is why it is confusing...
[14:23] <lordcirth__> Battle, I see. Any other internet-facing services that could have been compromised? A webserver?
[14:23] <teward> Battle: ever hear of "brute forcers"?
[14:23] <teward> ^ that's also a possibility someone actively attacked your server with various dictionary attacks, etc. in a bruteforcing mechanism
[14:23] <teward> OR something else on-server had avulnerability they exploited to get it
[14:24] <teward> there's any of ten billion potential mechanisms they could've breached your credentials with
[14:24] <EriC^^> Battle: do you have any services running on the server?
[14:26] <Battle> teward: brute force yes and I don't believe this is how they got in , there were no prior bursts of failed attempts followed by succesful
[14:26] <Battle> it was just out of the blue, succesfull
[14:27] <Battle> so i dont think this is brute force, at least it does not seem like it
[14:27] <Battle> lordcirth__ I do have a webserver running
[14:28] <JimBuntu> Battle, is this basically a VM on 3rd party hardware? If so, possibly a simple Spectre application
[14:29] <Battle> lordcirth__ but i cant see connection between compromising something there and gaining a password for a mailbox. by that i mean i dont have this particular password anywhere on that webserver and if they compromised the web server wouldnt they gain access to the account running the webserver 'www-data' I think? and use that to spam emails rather than a seperate account?
[14:30] <Battle> I can see how they might change the password for amailbox perhaps.....www-data is almost like root isnt it? so could it 'passwd' on an account?
[14:30] <EriC^^> Battle: no, it's not like root, it can't do passwd <some other user>
[14:31] <Battle> ah okay good
[14:31] <Battle> so i think then if they compromised the web, they would just use that to spam do you reckon?
[14:31] <Battle> so i think the website is okay?
[14:31] <leftyfb> Battle: they could and would
[14:32] <JimBuntu> Nothing is OK, Battle. They had root access for some amount of time... they could have made many, many changes and covered their tracks, sorry.
[14:32] <leftyfb> Battle: also, depending on the compromise, there is 100% no way for you to determine if it was compromised. Proper scripts will wipe their tracks.
[14:32] <Battle> thats what i thought leftyfb
[14:32] <leftyfb> Battle: if they had root, game over. Wipe and reinstall
[14:32] <Battle> yeah thats my concern leftyfb =\
[14:33] <Battle> also its a dedicated server, not a vm
[14:33] <leftyfb> Battle: not one you should be taking lightly or debating. Just wipe and reinstall
[14:33] <qwebirc59339> afternoon
[14:33] <Battle> is there anyway to constantly monitor any command being entered into terminal by any means and send an email ?
[14:33] <Battle> (im thinking after my format)
[14:34] <Battle> im most likely going to upgrade to ubuntu 18 after this format
[14:34] <leftyfb> Battle: spend more energy on preventing the exploits
[14:34] <qwebirc59339> wonder if anyone knows where the system wide proxy setting is? checked /etc/environment and it doesnt seem to be there
[14:34] <Battle> yeah thats what i want to asscertain now, what i can do to stop this happenign again
[14:34] <Battle> I know i will lock down the mail server like it is now
[14:34] <Battle> so no one can login or brute force period
[14:35] <leftyfb> Battle: only allow SSL connections for email, only https for web and only ssh key authentication (no passwords).
[14:35] <Battle> leftyfb yeah, I think I need to switch to key auth
[14:35] <Battle> there's just one concern, im not always at home when I need to access the server's ssh
[14:35] <leftyfb> Battle: but yes, as much logging as possible is good. Though, an exploit through a web protocol isn't going to log anything, not to the point that the exploit can't wipe the log
[14:36] <lordcirth__> Battle, consider running only a VPN, keys only, exposed, and block everything else
[14:36] <EriC^^> can't something like apparmor or so restrict what users can do?
[14:36] <EriC^^> (and audit and whatnot)
[14:36] <Battle> hmm
[14:37] <lordcirth__> Yes, apparmor can help. But it's not perfect.
[14:37] <leftyfb> EriC^^: I think in theory apparmor should be able to. I don't have much experience with it. Though I do have lots of experience with grsec and nothing is getting through that if setup properly. I've seen the attempts first-hand.
[14:37] <EriC^^> nice
[14:38] <EriC^^> Battle: if you usually dont login from home, could it be a physical attack? just logging in sounds so peculiar
[14:39] <EriC^^> they'd have to compromise the webserver, get root, then setup something to snatch your password or something, to just login, in which case they wouldnt really need your password in the first place
[14:40] <leftyfb> Battle: take an image of your machine, wipe it, reinstall. Get it running again and run forensics on the image later if you still need to track down what happened
[14:40] <leftyfb> Battle: in the meantime, there's a good chance you're still compromised and allowing malicious traffic to come from your machine
[14:41] <Battle> EriC^^: Physical as in someone at the datacenter did it?
[14:41] <EriC^^> Battle: like either the password got leaked somehow, or where you logged in had some sort of keylogger
[14:42] <Battle> leftyfb I checked out traffic and there's nothing that isnt accouted for from what i can tell, and I was watching SSH login attempts since this all happened, and no attempts have been made so far either
[14:42] <legreffier> leftyfb: it's perfectly ok to have your ssh key on a usb key or on some cloud storage if it has a good passphrase.
[14:42] <EriC^^> maybe they compromised the server, and bruteforce cracked the mail's password?
[14:43] <EriC^^> that's also a possibility i guess, i'm not too familiar with any of this stuff tbh
[14:43] <EriC^^> i mean they cracked the hash, then logged in successfully
[14:44] <leftyfb> Battle: regardless, we're well beyond the scope of this support channel. Wipe and reinstall. That is your answer.
[14:47] <legreffier> leftyfb: so attacker can use the exact same method and come back in ?
[14:47] <legreffier> Battle: what other service does the owned box provides ?
[14:48] <legreffier> some web services ?
[14:49] <JimBuntu> ##Linux-offtopic is nice and quiet if anyone wants to continue the Battle discussion ;-D
[14:50] <Battle> leftyfb I agree, thank you all for the input that you've provided, I was intending to format as good measure but just wanted to know what steps I should take to stop this happening again if there's even anything more that could be done etc I know that its impossible to 100% protect yourself but
[14:50] <Battle> yeah, thank you all again :)
[14:51] <EriC^^> Battle: i'd make it very secure as suggested, and also on the side try to implement apparmor or something that can restrict any unwanted commands to be run by users, maybe just a whitelist of commands the webserver needs for www-data etc
[14:51] <EriC^^> just my 2 cents, i'm not expert on the matter
[14:52] <Battle> appreciate the advice, I remember hearing 'apparmour' before but had/have no idea what it is or how to use it , but im sure i can figure it out :D
[14:52] <Battle> I do have a question about ssh key auth, if this is setup, does this mean that there's no possible way they can gain ssh access?
[14:53] <rypervenche> Battle: Outside of an exploit/vulnerability, no. They need to have the correct key that is allowed on the machine.
[14:54] <Battle> okay, I will have to implement this aswell
[14:54] <qwebirc55868> tomreyn:
[14:54] <qwebirc55868> Hello, you there
[14:55] <legreffier> Battle: bear in mind, if auth.log doesn't have many failed attempts, and the password is sane, there's very little chance ssh was the vector.
[14:57] <leftyfb> qwebirc55868: do you have a support question?
[14:57] <leftyfb> legreffier: that is 100% not true
[14:58] <leftyfb> legreffier: it is beyond trivial to wipe out a log entry immediately upon connection
[15:00] <qwebirc55868> Hello leftyfb, I kinda do and I kinda don't
[15:01] <qwebirc55868> I've been talking with tomr for a while about this
[15:01] <qwebirc55868> And I had to wait a week and a half before proceedingž
[15:04] <qwebirc55868> leftyfb: If you want a long, support case, let me know haha, it get's messy and also, hard to explain
[15:05] <leftyfb> qwebirc55868: if it's been a week, someone here that was helping you might not remember your issue completely. You might want to start over with explaining the current issue as your case stands now. I wouldn't go too far into what issues were previously that have since been resolved.
[15:06] <BluesKaj> qwebirc55868, try us, but make it as simple as possible
[15:06] <qwebirc55868> He is super efficient and really nice even though I am not very... well versed
[15:07] <qwebirc55868> okay, writting up a summary
[15:07] <leftyfb> qwebirc55868: use pastebin if it's long
[15:14] <BluesKaj> leftyfb, methinks it is
[15:14] <qwebirc55868> well, leftyfb BluesKaj 1200 characters
[15:14] <qwebirc55868> an essay haha
[15:14] <qwebirc55868> will use pastebin
[15:15] <BluesKaj> think i'll have an early lunch
[15:15] <qwebirc55868> https://pastebin.com/d7kxYfB7
[15:15] <qwebirc55868> have a nice lunch!
[15:20] <qwebirc55868> What do you think leftyfb?
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc55868: what do you want to do first now?
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc55868: recover files? singleboot? dualboot?
[15:29] <qwebirc55868> well I have only one goal in mind, to recover files. Not sure which route to take on at this point lotuspsychje
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | qwebirc55868 sudo photorec after
[15:30] <qwebirc55868> I think I ran something like that, like a Diary or something
[15:30] <qwebirc55868> I am not really sure what you mean but I can try running it in Terminal
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc55868: photorec is great data recovery program, so if you want data back, id reccomend to full scan your hd and recover to another media
[15:33] <qwebirc55868> that's great, but does it support the M.2 SSD? lotuspsychje
[15:34]  * zette 
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc55868: photorec can recover from different media, hd, ssd, sd,..
[15:34] <analogical> how do I use the dd command to wipe the mbr/gpt on a drive?
[15:35] <qwebirc55868> err sure, if it works
[15:35] <qwebirc55868> let me boot into Ubuntu
[15:35] <qwebirc55868> takes a bit
[15:36] <obiwahn> hi
[15:36] <EriC^^> analogical: for mbr dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=512 count=1
[15:36] <obiwahn> anyone here who can guide in building a package
[15:36] <EriC^^> analogical: gpt you want exactly the gpt nothing after?
[15:37] <obiwahn> I would like to build a newer binutils for 16.04. So that it can be used in travis.
[15:38] <hegemoOn> hello there, i have issue with BLE bt device.
[15:38] <hegemoOn> i can connect to it with normal user, using gatttool
[15:38] <leftyfb> obiwahn: try #ubuntu-devel
[15:38] <hegemoOn> but unable to connect to it from chromium or even nodejs espruino module
[15:38] <hegemoOn> is there something im missing ?
[15:39] <hegemoOn> on 19.04
[15:39] <hegemoOn> but same on 18.04
[15:40] <hegemoOn> for a summary of all my adventures, it is there : http://forum.espruino.com/conversations/333421/
[15:42] <rannd> hello all
[15:43] <JohnGavr> rannd, hello
[15:43] <zette> rannd: Hello too
[15:44] <rannd> when I run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade # I obtain this error : The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
[15:44] <rannd>   libappstream3
[15:44] <rannd> I'm using 16.04 lts
[15:44] <qwebirc55868> literal takes
[15:44] <qwebirc55868> 15 minutes to load
[15:45] <zette> rannd: check ur repository
[15:45] <voi> i want to use a usb stick with both ubuntu and windows, but need to copy files > 4GB on it. what file system should i use for it?
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> voi: ntfs
[15:46] <zette> ntfs
[15:46] <lordcirth__> rannd, that's not an error?
[15:46] <voi> thanks
[15:47] <rannd> Use 'apt autoremove' to remove it.
[15:47] <rannd> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[15:47] <EriC^^> qwebirc55868: is it a live usb or an install?
[15:47] <rannd> where I may paste text ?
[15:47] <EriC^^> !paste | rannd
[15:48] <qwebirc55868> live usb EriC^^
[15:48] <qwebirc55868> it loaded
[15:48] <qwebirc55868> lotuspsychje: how do I install such an app
[15:48] <EriC^^> qwebirc55868: ah cool, type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link here
[15:49] <EriC^^> qwebirc55868: photorec isnt required unless the filesystem is damaged and the 'book keeping' is messed up, it won't be needed in your case if you can see the fs fine in windows
[15:49] <qwebirc55868> let me open this chat on the damaged pc
[15:49] <qwebirc55868> ubuntu one
[15:49] <rannd> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6ktkYbG2sH/
[15:50] <rannd> these are my entry in /etc/apt/source.list
[15:51] <rannd> there are the default entry for 16.04
[15:51] <Catzzye> Hello Eric
[15:51] <Catzzye> I am here now
[15:51] <EriC^^> rannd: if you're not using libappstream3 then you can let apt "auto-remove" it, it's not an issue
[15:51] <EriC^^> Catzzye: wb
[15:52] <Catzzye> could you please paste what you wanted me to enter to terminal one more time
[15:52] <EriC^^> rannd: you probably had something that depended on it and installed it, then removed that main app, so now it's in the unneeded auto-remove packages
[15:52] <EriC^^> Catzzye: sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:52] <rannd> EriC^^, I ran apt auto-remove , but is the same
[15:53] <EriC^^> rannd: how do you mean? it still mentions it if you install another app?
[15:54] <EriC^^> rannd: did it mention removing it when you did sudo apt-get autoremove?
[15:54] <Catzzye> https://termbin.com/1mf3 EriC^^ tomreyn
[15:54] <Catzzye> I found it
[15:54] <rannd> EriC^^, all started from apt-get build-dep nmap , to compile nmap source
[15:54] <Catzzye> Its the hidden NTFS one
[15:54] <Catzzye> actually no
[15:54] <EriC^^> Catzzye: are you sure? that's usually a manufacturers partition related to diagnostic tools
[15:54] <Catzzye> that not it
[15:55] <Catzzye> thats just the partition I made from my HD to put W10 on
[15:55] <rannd> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sYJMMvS4ZV/
[15:55] <EriC^^> Catzzye: how big was the fs?
[15:55] <Catzzye> 128GB Eric
[15:55] <rannd> how am I solve this situation ?
[15:56] <Catzzye> Soo probably around 120GB realistacally
[15:56] <rannd> !dpkg
[16:00] <EriC^^> Catzzye: right it was a nvme that's 128gb right? no other partitions
[16:00] <rannd> aptitude install libgtk2.0-dev ?
[16:00] <Catzzye> yeah nvme m.2
[16:01] <EriC^^> Catzzye: if ubuntu is having trouble finding the nvme, the easiest thing to do in my opinion if you want to get it asap would be to use the windows installer since you said it seems the files, and in the installer use the command prompt option, use diskpart to mount it to E: as well as your main drive to C: for instance and then use 'cp E:\....file C:\file'
[16:01] <EriC^^> *it sees
[16:03] <Catzzye> xd
[16:03] <Catzzye> what haha
[16:03] <rannd> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:03] <rannd>  builddeps:nmap : Depends: libgtk2.0-dev but it is not going to be installed
[16:03] <rannd>                   Depends: liblinear-dev but it is not going to be installed
[16:03] <rannd>                   Depends: libssl-dev but it is not going to be installed
[16:03] <rannd> what is this ?
[16:03] <EriC^^> rannd: please dont paste here, you already gave a link
[16:03] <EriC^^> Catzzye: what's the issue? :D
[16:03] <Catzzye> you meann err when I engage the W10 installation to head into the command prompt instead and than remount from C to E?
[16:04] <Catzzye> I am just trying to wrap my head around this sorry
[16:04] <EriC^^> Catzzye: yeah during the installation, before everything you can go to additional options or something, then command prompt, there use diskpart to mount the 2 volumes and copy the file
[16:04] <Catzzye> 2 volumes?
[16:04] <EriC^^> Catzzye: https://winaero.com/blog/open-command-prompt-boot-windows-10/
[16:05] <Catzzye> yeah yeah I remember that trick
[16:05] <rannd> ok
[16:05] <rannd> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TBV534sBqX/
[16:05] <EriC^^> Catzzye: yes, the 128gb one, and the place you want to copy it to
[16:05] <Catzzye> okay, I can try!
[16:07] <rannd> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RD24fr5GT5/
[16:07] <rannd> nothing to do
[16:08] <Catzzye> okay I have to switch PCs again
[16:08] <Catzzye> soo please let me know again in a minute what should I Do
[16:09] <Catzzye> thanks!
[16:09] <EriC^^> Catzzye: alright
[16:09] <EriC^^> no problem
[16:10] <rander2> ok not I'm logged in
[16:10] <Catzzye2> Hello!
[16:11] <EriC^^> hello
[16:11] <zette> Hello
[16:13] <EriC^^> Catzzye2: let me know once you're at the command prompt
[16:13] <leftyfb> Catzzye2: this is really a #windows support issue at this point. Ask them how to copy your files to a backup drive using a Windows installer usb
[16:17] <Catzzye2> well I am in command prompt, but I am not sure if we should continue here
[16:17] <Catzzye2> I don't wanna wreck the rules
[16:17] <leftyfb> Catzzye2: /join #windows
[16:19] <zette> Lonely :(
[16:20] <martind_> Hello guys, I'm new to Ubuntu and I'm trying to setup the workstation for web development. And I have trouble setup SublimeText3 with Sass. Could anyone help me with it? I have everything installed, but on Build I get [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sass'
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> !alis > zette
[16:20] <martind_> And I'm pretty sure sass is nstalled as I get martind@martind-ubuntu:~$ sass --version
[16:20] <martind_> 1.19.0 compiled with dart2js 2.2.0
[16:21] <martind_> What I do wrong?
[16:21] <Catzzye2> well I joined Windows
[16:21] <Catzzye2> should I just take this to someone there?
[16:21] <rander2> what is the more little ubuntu distribution, ubuntu server ?
[16:21] <zette> ubottu: How I see ur private msg?
[16:22] <EriC^^> Catzzye2: yeah, say you want to use diskpart to mount the nvme volume and the other volume and copy your file from nvme to the other
[16:22] <rander2> I'm looking for a only text ubuntu distribution, and after ( eventually_) install X server
[16:22] <plattkatt>  maybe debian?:)
[16:22] <EriC^^> Catzzye2: just say that in the channel, somebody should offer some assistance, if not i can probably help you in ##linux or here if nobody minds, it's basically a couple of commands
[16:23] <zette> ubottu: u r bot? :/
[16:23] <idlemind> Catzzye2 you could always just try a bootable windows pe iso - not sure if it would detect the drive either though. https://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/
[16:24] <bit3_p0_> 👌
[16:24] <zette> Lonely :'(
[16:24] <[itchyjunk]> what's the difference between `sudo apt install` and `sudo apt-get install` ?
[16:24] <EriC^^> rander2: there's the mini iso which only installs what you ask it to, very minimal, and the server install iso if you want
[16:25] <EriC^^> [itchyjunk]: apt is just a neater more evolved front end for apt-get,but it isn't really script compatible right now
[16:26] <[itchyjunk]> hmm what does script compatible mean?
[16:26] <EriC^^> [itchyjunk]: basically it gives colors, a nicer progress bar, and some other features
[16:26] <[itchyjunk]> ahh i see
[16:28] <Catzzye2> if you don't mind we can query eric
[16:28] <EriC^^> Catzzye2: sure
[16:39] <zette> Why I cnt using "./c configure && make" command?
[16:45] <Blackfield> hello, I am a complete begin and wish to unstall latex so I can use it with vim. Before I used Texworks
[16:45] <Blackfield> on windows
[16:45] <Blackfield> -beginner
[16:50] <EriC^^> !info latex
[16:51] <jmichel> texlive
[16:51] <EriC^^> Blackfield: type 'sudo apt-get install texlive-full'
[16:51] <Blackfield> I already did that
[16:51] <Blackfield> should I got to latex channel?
[16:51] <Blackfield> go
[16:52] <EriC^^> Blackfield: what's the problem?
[16:53] <Blackfield> EriC^^: well after doing that I can just write in vim as if it was texworks?
[16:53] <ioria> !info vim-latexsuite
[16:53] <Blackfield> I'm not technical at all, I study physics xD
[16:54] <EriC^^> Blackfield: try installing the package ioria referred to above
[16:54] <Blackfield> okay
[16:55] <Blackfield> me downloading the packages using to command you recommended won't be a problem right?
[16:55] <Bustin> Hello, I have a Lenovo ideapad 330 15ICH - which contains an onboard Intel UHD 630 grahpics card, and dedicated Nvidia GTX 1050. I would like to utilize the dedicated (nvidia) card all the time (there is no bios switch to do so, only switchable and onboard within), is there a way to achieve this, and eliminate screen tearing?
[16:56] <EriC^^> Blackfield: yeah command line is the same basically
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: wich driver are you currently using?
[16:57] <Blackfield> can I abort the installation somehow? it makes no sense to download all the packages
[16:58] <Blackfield> if I only use like 20 max
[16:59] <lordcirth__> Blackfield, if it is still downloading, not installing, you can safely use Ctrl-C to abort
[17:00] <Blackfield> doesn't work :D well thanks anyway
[17:00] <lordcirth__> But unless your internet is expensive, I would just let it
[17:01] <JohnGavr> Anyone else hear a bip when stop music on external audio speakers?
[17:02] <kadiro> heh
[17:03] <kadiro> JohnGavr, I think that related to the player you use
[17:03] <JohnGavr> kadiro, spotify, vlc, youtube
[17:03] <JohnGavr> all the players?
[17:03] <refhack> hi world
[17:03] <zette> hi too world
[17:03] <kadiro> hi refhack
[17:04] <kadiro> JohnGavr, hmm thats weird
[17:04] <refhack> how are you todayv"kadiro"
[17:07] <kadiro> I'm good thanks refhack
[17:07] <JohnGavr> kadiro, so weird... first time see that...
[17:09] <kadiro> JohnGavr, is that for all videos/musics files or a specific audio file?
[17:09] <JohnGavr> all the video/music
[17:09] <JohnGavr> i hear a bip after 4-5 sec
[17:10] <zette> :(
[17:10] <zette> ubottu: u r bot? :/
[17:11] <kadiro> JohnGavr, check this https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/sound-alert.html.en
[17:11] <kadiro> not sure if it is related to your problem though
[17:12] <JohnGavr> kadiro, no it's not an alert sound
[17:12] <JohnGavr> It's sounds like disable music driver
[17:13] <JohnGavr> i use hdmi... you think its hdmi problem??
[17:13] <JohnGavr> I will try another when i have the opportunity
[17:14] <ekh> Hello, I am trying to install ubuntu 9.04 on VMWware Fusion, but I keep getting "no root file system is defined". The thing is, I am not given any option prior to that or even to partition the hdd
[17:15] <kadiro> It sound like the pcspkr driver is loaded, try may be to blacklist it
[17:16] <JohnGavr> can you give me more info or a post?? i am totally noob on audio driver configuration
[17:16] <JohnGavr> I'm just know the basics
[17:16] <kadiro> JohnGavr, to check if that driver is loaded use this command: lsmod | grep pcspkr
[17:16] <kadiro> if it doe not show anything then the driver is not loaded
[17:17] <JohnGavr> no results
[17:17] <kadiro> hmm
[17:17] <JohnGavr> so weird
[17:18] <EriC^^> ekh: are you sure the iso is good? checksummed? i'm assuming you mean 19.04 btw right?
[17:18] <ekh> EriC^^: 9.04. iso from ubuntu server. I'll check the checksum now.
[17:18] <lordcirth__> ekh, 9.04 was a decade ago.
[17:19] <ekh> I am aware of that. Following pen test book.
[17:19] <lordcirth__> Oh, I see
[17:19] <lordcirth__> ekh, well, that's not supported here, sorry
[17:21] <ekh> lordcirth__: I understand. I'd really appreciate if you can provide any tips. I can manage by myself with linux, but the fact this installation isn't providing me with any options is what frustrates me.
[17:21] <kadiro> Is not karmic version no longer used?
[17:21] <lordcirth__> ekh, you could try changing the virtualized hardware to imitate older stuff?
[17:23] <EriC^^> ekh: usually no root filesystem found sounds like a bad iso, usually that happens as well if the usb is bad on barebone install attempts
[17:23] <EriC^^> i'd think the hardware isnt related since the bootloader has the job of mounting everything
[17:24] <EriC^^> well not really the bootloader but you know what i mean :D
[17:26] <ekh> md5 checksum is fine
[17:28] <Bustin> lotuspsychje: 418, and I am experiencing horrible screen tearing. If I use my onboard (intel uhd 630) card, there is little to no tearing. That being said, I need / want to utilize my dedicated card at all times.
[17:29] <Bustin> ^ nvidia driver version. I have already tried other versions, and those also produce a lot of screen tearing.
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: 418 from stock or ppa?
[17:29] <Bustin> lotuspsychje: yes
[17:29] <Bustin> sec
[17:29] <Bustin> proprietary, tested 418
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: did you try drivers from the ubuntu graphics ppa?
[17:30] <Bustin> lotuspsychje: not yet, no.
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | Bustin
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: for GTX cards we reccomend
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: for example the 418.56 is on there
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: test drivers out until you get a smooth experience, if your card uses optimus set nvidia-settings to performance mode to use your nvidia card
[17:37] <Bustin> lotuspsychje: thank you.
[17:48] <JohnGavr> anyone knows how to configure the HDMI options?
[17:49] <gorski> linux for human beings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKx4Rag680g
[17:49] <Catzzye2> tomreyn: Hey with a help of a EriC^^ we got the files off!!! crazyy!! it seems like maybe M.2 nvme thing didn't die after all
[17:49] <Catzzye2> because the files are making a robocopy
[17:50] <tomreyn> !cookie | Imagine this in blue color, EriC^^
[17:51] <Catzzye2> tomreyn: you're hereee
[17:51] <EriC^^> lol blue why? xD windows theme?
[17:51] <tomreyn> Catzzye2: congratulations. :)
[17:51] <Catzzye2> you two are super sweet, thank you both so much
[17:52] <EriC^^> damn you, now i want some blueberry goodies
[17:52] <EriC^^> :)
[17:52] <Catzzye2> =)
[17:54] <nabukadnezar43> hello i'm using ubuntu budgie 19.04, everytime i start my pc after a shutdown it performs fsck on 1 disk
[17:54] <nabukadnezar43> any idea what may be the cause?
[17:55] <lordcirth__> nabukadnezar43, what exactly are you seeing?
[17:55] <tomreyn> nabukadnezar43: you storage may be physically decayed beyond repair, or your file system settings may be wrong,
[17:56] <nabukadnezar43> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VSVSHPf74B/
[17:57] <lordcirth__> nabukadnezar43, What line is the fsck? I don't see it
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> nabukadnezar43: share your full dmesg please
[17:59] <tomreyn> i.e. the one without "...skipping..."
[17:59] <tomreyn> nabukadnezar43: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:01] <nabukadnezar43> here it is: https://termbin.com/nafj
[18:02] <nabukadnezar43> it tells last mount time is in the future, that's weird
[18:03] <lordcirth__> nabukadnezar43, your hardware clock is set wrong. Are you dual-booting?
[18:03] <nabukadnezar43> lordcirth__, no i'm not
[18:03] <nabukadnezar43> i used to have arch before ubuntu
[18:04] <nabukadnezar43> lordcirth__, how do i fix it? hwclock --systohc?
[18:04] <dnscat> i heard arch is a lot of compiling
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> offtopic dnscat
[18:04] <Bustin> lotuspsychje: sorry for the highlight, i've tried every single driver version in the PPA, all have horrible screen tearing for me. I did read somewhere about "Reverse PRIME", are you familiar with it?
[18:05] <lordcirth__> nabukadnezar43, first check:  timedatectl | grep TZ
[18:05] <lordcirth__> If that's "yes" then: sudo timedatectl set-local-rtc 0
[18:05] <nabukadnezar43> lordcirth__, it says "no"
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: reverse prime?
[18:05] <lordcirth__> Ok, so that's not the problem
[18:05] <lordcirth__> nabukadnezar43, perhaps your CMOS battery is dying?
[18:06] <nabukadnezar43> lordcirth__, i'm on a laptop without a battery
[18:06] <nabukadnezar43> would that be the cause?
[18:06] <lordcirth__> nabukadnezar43, normal battery != CMOS battery
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: where do you test the screen tearing exactly?
[18:07] <nabukadnezar43> i know that, just a thought
[18:07] <Bustin> lotuspsychje: moving windows, opening the application dash, scrolling on web pages. I can see a HUGE difference from using the onboard intel card, and then using the dedicated.
[18:07] <nabukadnezar43> that little battery on the motherboard
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: that doesnt sound too bright, sudo lshw -C video plz?
[18:08] <ekh> EriC^^, lordcirth__ thanks it works. changing the virtualized hw to older stuff did the trick.
[18:08] <nabukadnezar43> lordcirth__, the thing is when i restart it doesn't fsck, but it does fsck after a start from a long powered off state
[18:09] <lordcirth__> ekh, cool
[18:09] <lordcirth__> nabukadnezar43, restarting probably doesn't drain the CMOS battery
[18:09] <Bustin> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/sQy3Qc9f
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> ekh: pentesting on a 10y old book & Os wont help you much for todays security
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: and your ubuntu version?
[18:11] <Bustin> lotuspsychje: 19.04
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: did you compare this with LTS?
[18:11] <ekh> lotuspsychje: I'll keep that in mind. At least I'll get the basics rather than guessing what each terminology means. Beside, I don't feel like buying a new book, this one is on my shelf, might as well use it :P
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> ekh: also pentesting an EOL ubuntu server wont proof much neither
[18:13] <Bustin> lotuspsychje: no I have not. I mean, formatting and/or installing LTS isn't too much, since I haven't done anything on this install as of yet. Would you recommend formatting / installing alongside and comparing tearing
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: try a liveusb 18.04 to see if you have it there
[18:16] <Bustin> Will do and will report back. It's a shame, love Ubuntu, but the graphics hardware tradeoff for me sucks ( i do video editing, graphic design, amongst other things), so losing the dedicated to the onbard just to avoid tearing, or having a smooth experience, isn't ideal!
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: keep in mind non-lts can have unwanted behaviour
[18:17] <Bustin> Yea, had a lot of issues on a non LTS, prior to 19.04
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: if you compare with LTS and works there, feel free to create a new bug on 19.04 or use existing one
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: did you also test a very latest driver from the ppa?
[18:22] <Bustin> lotuspsychje: yes, 418, and 430.
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: ok tnx
[18:22] <Bustin> will brb.
[18:22] <sri-helikopter> cek
[18:23] <suciip> ape
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: while you try things perhaps also share your dmesg, volunteers might find something there
[18:26] <OerHeks> udin, ahmad what is the reason for this double login?
[18:27] <udin> yes
[18:27] <Bustin_> lotuspsychje: on 18.04 live usb. Now, ootb, it defaults to use the onboard nvidia, but if I add the PPA, install drivers, how to test nvidia functionality if it's requiring a restart, settings will revert
[18:28] <Bustin_> i mean, defaults to use the onboard intel* my bad.
[18:32] <Bustin_> brb
[18:41] <admin9> ola
[18:42] <hggdh> admin9: hello, can we help you?
[18:43] <admin9> how do i create a own channel
[18:43] <admin9> on this hexchat
[18:44] <lordcirth__> admin9, on this server, freenode? Or your own server?
[18:44] <OerHeks> admin9, register with #freenode and ask help in their channel?
[18:44] <admin9> can be on the this server or my own server
[18:45] <admin9> ok m seeking for it @OerHeks
[18:48] <mrarm> Hello, what is the alternative of libegl1-mesa-drivers:i386 on newer releases of Ubuntu?
[18:49] <OerHeks> alternative? https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libegl1-mesa
[18:50] <OerHeks> as of Xenial., that -driver package is a dummy https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libegl1-mesa-drivers
[18:52] <qwebirc37076> hi
[18:52] <qwebirc37076> hello
[18:54] <Bashing-om> qwebirc37076: Your ubuntu support question ?
[18:55] <kiwi_91> hi
[18:56] <oopuguin> Ι use 18.04LTS o AMDAPU, to build vaapi acceleration is very easily.
[18:56] <kiwi_91> my xrdp does not listen on port 3389, what could be wrong
[18:56] <oopuguin> X windows engine userd by cinnamon.
[18:57] <kiwi_91> oopuguin any ideas how to start xrdp?
[18:57] <kiwi_91> i tried sudo service xrdp restart
[18:58] <oopuguin> aa...to use remote desktop?
[18:58] <oopuguin> wait a minute please.
[18:59] <kiwi_91> yeah
[18:59] <kiwi_91> i have access to the ssh
[18:59] <paws> why is it that ubuntu will not accept any incoming connection whether is on ssh or http? ufw status shows as inactive
[18:59] <kiwi_91> need to install xrdp to connect via remote desktop
[19:00] <ryuo> paws: that's the default when no services are using a given port.
[19:00] <kiwi_91> i installed it but it is not listening to 3389 port for some reasons
[19:00] <paws> ryuo: so how can i make it to allow ssh port 22
[19:00] <ryuo> paws: ... enable an ssh server?
[19:00] <paws> yea
[19:01] <oopuguin> Sorry, i found japanese resources. you only read source code, your wish will come true. https://cpoint-lab.co.jp/article/201806/3238/
[19:01] <paws> ryuo: sudo service ssh status shows that its Active: active (running)
[19:02] <ryuo> paws: ss -ltn | grep :22
[19:03] <paws> LISTEN 0 128 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* ||| LISTEN 0 128 [::]:22 [::]:*
[19:03] <paws> thats the two lines i see
[19:03] <ryuo> paws: are you able to connect from localhost?
[19:03] <oopuguin> sudo vim /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:04] <paws> when i am on the server itself and i do "ssh user@192.168.0.100" yea it connects me
[19:04] <oopuguin> i don't recommend to use port 22
[19:04] <mrarm> OerHeks, exactly becuase it's a dummy I am asking this question
[19:04] <ryuo> wait... it's behind NAT?
[19:04] <paws> yea
[19:04] <mrarm> the libegl1-mesa-drivers:i386 package went missing but the libs are missing
[19:04] <ryuo> paws: where's the remote client in relation to this server?
[19:05] <mrarm> I am currently using libegl1-mesa-dev:i386 as a workaround but that's ugly
[19:05] <paws> same network
[19:05] <ryuo> paws: same LAN?
[19:05] <paws> yea
[19:05] <ryuo> paws: and what error do you get?
[19:05] <paws> putty, just says Network error: connection refused
[19:06] <ryuo> do you have the correct host?
[19:06] <paws> yea
[19:06] <paws> i type the ip not the host
[19:06] <ryuo> that should suffice, but i can't verify it.
[19:06] <paws> the ubuntu can ping google.ca no issues
[19:07] <paws> so there is network there
[19:07] <paws> it just not letting me ssh to it
[19:07] <guimo> Hi. ifconfig up/down is inverted. I can power the LAN-port on with "ifconfig enp14s0 down", but the network-manager think its powered-off. How can I solve this?
[19:07] <oopuguin> sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update, after "sudo apt get install va-driver-all"
[19:07] <ryuo> ... that has nothing to do with being able to access the server.
[19:07] <ryuo> paws: if your client is on a remote network, NAT will prevent you from reachingi t.
[19:07] <paws> same lan
[19:08] <ryuo> so you say, but what could be interferring?
[19:08] <lordcirth__> guimo, What Ubuntu version?
[19:08] <paws> ryuo: same thing happens when i try to connect to the apache.. it doesnt load
[19:08] <paws> its like not accepting any connections
[19:09] <ryuo> paws: can you get the iptables output?
[19:09] <leftyfb> paws: are these 2 physical machines on the same network or is one of them a VM of some sort?
[19:09] <guimo> lordcirth__: xenial
[19:09] <paws> the ubuntu is on vmware esxi
[19:09] <leftyfb> paws: Then I question whether it's actually on the same network
[19:09] <ryuo> could it be that the network setup isn't allowing it on the same network?
[19:09] <leftyfb> paws: you are probably NAT'd unless you setup a bridged interface
[19:10] <oopuguin> currently, we can get vaapi power
[19:10] <paws> i have another freepbx machine on that same esxi host and on the same vm network, and i just tried to ssh to it and it didnt work
[19:10] <leftyfb> paws: lets try this. What is the ip address of your ubuntu machine?
[19:11] <paws> 192.168.0.84
[19:11] <leftyfb> paws: ok, ping it from your Windows box.
[19:11] <paws> Reply from 192.168.0.84: bytes=32 time=631ms TTL=128
[19:11] <leftyfb> paws: also, above you said you wre trying "ssh user@192.168.0.100"
[19:11] <leftyfb> paws: shouldn't you be using .84?
[19:11] <paws> i just typed 100 randomly
[19:11] <paws> but its 84
[19:11] <leftyfb> ok
[19:12] <leftyfb> paws: turn off the ubuntu machine completely. Then try pinging again
[19:12] <paws> ok
[19:12] <paws> i just hit halt
[19:12] <leftyfb> paws: and can you ping it from your windows machine?
[19:13] <paws> Pinging 192.168.0.84 with 32 bytes of data:
[19:13] <paws> Reply from 192.168.0.5: Destination host unreachable.
[19:13] <paws> Request timed out.
[19:14] <leftyfb> paws: also, I just noticed you said you cannot ssh to your pbx machine either. Is that correct?
[19:14] <leftyfb> paws: please don't paste more than 1 line here. Use pastebin for more than 1 or 2 lines.
[19:14] <paws> from the pbx to the ubuntu
[19:14] <paws> sorry
[19:14] <leftyfb> paws: can you ssh to the pbx from windows?
[19:14] <paws> yes
[19:15] <leftyfb> paws: how did you install Ubuntu? Where did you get the iso from?
[19:15] <paws> from ubuntu.com it used to running well for a year or so
[19:15] <paws> it just stopped recently and i made no changes on it whatsoever
[19:15] <paws> i havent logged in on it for a while :)
[19:16] <leftyfb> paws: bring it back up and lets do some more troubleshooting with it
[19:16] <paws> its on
[19:17] <leftyfb> paws: sudo lsof -i :22
[19:17] <paws> sshd 1914 root 3u IPv4 1938 050 TCP *:ssh (LISTEN)
[19:18] <leftyfb> paws: can you ssh to yourself on the machine?
[19:18] <paws> sshd 1914 root 4u IPv6 1940 0t0 TCP *:ssh (LISTEN)
[19:18] <paws> you want me to ssh user@192.168.0.84 from the machine?
[19:18] <leftyfb> yes
[19:19] <paws> yup, i enter the password and im in
[19:19] <leftyfb> paws: sudo iptables -L -n # use pastebin
[19:19] <paws> i type exit and i get Connection to 192.168.0.84 closed.
[19:21] <paws> https://pastebin.com/raw/ua95CE5B
[19:21] <paws> (i had to manually type it)
[19:21] <leftyfb> paws: it's been a long time since I've played with vmware. Is there some mechanism to setup a firewall out of band from the guest VM's?
[19:21] <paws> there is no firewall i dont run anything on it
[19:22] <leftyfb> paws: do you have another machine on the network that can run nmap?
[19:22] <de-facto> it might be behind a NAT?
[19:22] <leftyfb> de-facto: we already established it's not
[19:22] <de-facto> ok :)
[19:24] <paws> yea
[19:24] <paws> the pbx
[19:24] <leftyfb> paws: sudo nmap -p22 192.168.0.84
[19:25] <paws> hum
[19:25] <paws> now i can connect to it from my pbx
[19:25] <paws> 5mins ago i could not..
[19:25] <paws> makes 0 sense
[19:25] <paws> 22/tcp open ssh
[19:26] <leftyfb> paws: try from putty
[19:26] <paws> no go
[19:27] <pipegeek> Hiya folks!  Question: is there any way to install e.g. libraries via Gnome Software?  I'm writing up instructions for people to configure our VPN, and was dismayed that it looks like searching for library package names there (for instance network-manager-l2tp) yields no results.
[19:28] <leftyfb> paws: if you can ssh from the pbx but not from windows, it's either a windows problem or an ESXI or a network/vlan/nat problem. Not ubuntu.
[19:28] <de-facto> is putty and pbx in the same network segment relative to the vmware?
[19:28] <pipegeek> Is the only way to install support l2tp support in gnome in a standard ubuntu install without opening a terminal?
[19:28] <pipegeek> err, *is there any
[19:28] <leftyfb> pipegeek: the network-manager-l2tp is part of the universe repo
[19:29] <leftyfb> pipegeek: but yeah, the software center typically has mostly GUI and desktop applications
[19:30] <paws> de-facto: yes they are
[19:30] <paws> okay leftyfb i will investigate..
[19:30] <de-facto> maybe try to get error logs both from client and server if you can ssh to it from pbx
[19:31] <pipegeek> leftyfb, is there any gui way to install things that don't fit into that set?  I mean, network-manager-l2tp-gnome is a gui package, but not visible in Software
[19:32] <leftyfb> pipegeek: it's not a gui exactly. It's an extention to a gui application
[19:33] <de-facto> pipegeek, why not bake a "pure meta package" like a dummy depending on all what you need and let them double click on that deb?
[19:33] <pipegeek> leftyfb, that's not a bad idea and I may
[19:34] <pipegeek> but hmm... that's interesting.  Is there a piece of metadata on packages that determines whether or not Software exposes them?  Because I wonder if that's a bug that could be opened against that package
[19:34] <leftyfb> pipegeek: that's not a bug
[19:34] <pipegeek> installing the UI for supporting new VPN types seems like a relatively nontechnical thing, and something that end users might reasonably want to do through a gui
[19:34] <leftyfb> pipegeek: the software center does not list every single package
[19:35] <pipegeek> oh, yes, I know
[19:35] <pipegeek> I'm asking how software center makes the determination about which packages to make visible
[19:36] <pipegeek> and if it's based on metadata in the individual packages, whether that could be changed for the network-manager-.*-gnome packages
[19:36] <pipegeek> ie, if it would be reasonable to open a feature request bug against those packages to make that request
[19:36] <pipegeek> because those seem like good candidates for exposure through Software
[19:37] <pipegeek> "L2TP Support for GNOME"
[19:38] <leftyfb> pipegeek: try #ubuntu-devel
[19:39] <admin9> #help
[19:39] <pipegeek> okie doke! thanks leftyfb :)
[19:39] <admin9> chanserv
[19:41] <de-facto> admin9, http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html :)
[19:48] <ioria> pipegeek, it's an add-on of gnome control center
[19:49] <ioria> pipegeek, click on it and install
[19:49] <pipegeek> ioria, AH!
[19:50] <pipegeek> I just saw it!  I didn't notice that that was a thing
[19:50] <pipegeek> thanks!
[19:50] <ioria> no problem
[19:50] <pipegeek> ioria, sweeeet
[19:50] <ioria> lol
[19:51] <pipegeek> haha
[19:51] <pipegeek> anyway, thanks all, seeya later
[20:11] <electricityZZZZ> i'm trying to apt install python3.6-venv on an up to date install of ubuntu 18.04 but am getting this error message:  python3.6-venv : Depends: python3.6 (= 3.6.7-1~18.04) but 3.6.8-1+xenial1 is to be installed . any clues?
[20:12] <lordcirth__> electricityZZZZ, do you have any PPA's installed?
[20:13] <electricityZZZZ> yeah i think so
[20:14] <electricityZZZZ> here's what i've got: https://paste.rs/vr9
[20:15] <electricityZZZZ> i've seen people talking about (potentially forcefully) uninstalling python 3.6 and then reinstalling. is that going to muck up my system state or should i try that?
[20:16] <lordcirth__> electricityZZZZ, I would not recommend that
[20:16] <electricityZZZZ> yeah it looks like it wants to install a bunch of stuff
[20:16] <OerHeks> paste the output of: apt policy python3
[20:16] <electricityZZZZ> err uninstall a bunch of stuff,... so what other ideas do you have then?
[20:16] <OerHeks> that would give a clue where it came from
[20:17] <electricityZZZZ> here's apt policy python3    https://paste.rs/k4N
[20:17] <OerHeks> that looks sound
[20:17] <Exterminador> hi guys. before I go nuts, I had this issue with GCC trying to compile InspIRCd: https://github.com/inspircd/inspircd/issues/1623#issue-439762728
[20:17] <electricityZZZZ> i think this is a longstanding install of 16.04 that i upgraded to 18.04,... i've run apt update & upgrade
[20:18] <lordcirth__> electricityZZZZ, what about apt full-upgrade?
[20:18] <OerHeks> ^
[20:18] <Exterminador> any ideas/hints? Xubuntu 18.04 LTS, updated today
[20:18] <tomreyn> electricityZZZZ: how did you upgrade it?
[20:18] <electricityZZZZ> sudo apt full upgrade gives me 0 to do across the board
[20:19] <electricityZZZZ> i dont really remember i think that ubuntu asked me at some point and i was like sure what the hell i feel like trying a footgun ;)
[20:19] <OerHeks> Exterminador, without proper info, nobody can .. and that issue has been answered :-D
[20:20] <lordcirth__> Exterminador, someone in ##programming might know?
[20:22] <OerHeks> or  #inspircd on irc.inspircd.org
[20:22] <Exterminador> OerHeks, lordcirth__: main question is: 2 days ago it compiled flawlessly. but as I needed to change the installation paths, I've recompiled today and no spark  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:22] <OerHeks> oh, good to tell that after some answers..
[20:23] <electricityZZZZ> ...should i just blow away my ubuntu install and start from scratch?
[20:23] <OerHeks> so, do you have any idea, Exterminador ?
[20:23] <Exterminador> it compiles the IRCd well, untill it reaches that module. I'm already in touch with the InspIRCd team and they don't seem to know either. GCC is broken?
[20:24] <tomreyn> electricityZZZZ: you changed your apt sources between the error message you posted here initially occurred and when you ran "apt policy python3", giving tzhis output https://paste.rs/k4N
[20:25] <tomreyn> keep things stable or discuss what you're changing while you're geeting support here.
[20:25] <electricityZZZZ> changed my apt sources? i haven't changed my system at all during this discussion actually (to my knowledge)
[20:26] <tomreyn> electricityZZZZ: sorry, my mistake there, i mixed up python3 and python3.6-venv packages. please post:   apt policy python3.6-venv
[20:26] <electricityZZZZ> here i'll run it again: https://paste.rs/r2N
[20:26] <electricityZZZZ> i posted that, if you scroll up. but i'll run that again and post it again, in the unlikely chance that something changed
[20:27] <lordcirth__> electricityZZZZ, no, you did 'apt policy python3', but we want 'apt policy python3.6-venv' now
[20:27] <electricityZZZZ> here, i ran it apt policy python3.6-venv again :https://paste.rs/xnU
[20:27] <electricityZZZZ> ah ok my bad there
[20:28] <Azrael_-> hi
[20:28] <TJ-> electricityZZZZ: "apt policy python3.6-venv"
[20:28] <electricityZZZZ> without sudo?
[20:28] <tomreyn> electricityZZZZ: so what you posted earlier at    https://paste.rs/r2N   refers to a package   python3.6  version 3.6.8-1+xenial1    so we also need    apt policy python3.6
[20:29] <electricityZZZZ> here it is without sudo: https://paste.rs/G0O
[20:29] <Azrael_-> i try to run "update-rc.d apache2 remove" but get this error message: "update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/apache2 exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)". this is 14.04.6 but unfortunately the hoster doesn't support any newer version yet. what does this message mean?
[20:30] <seven-eleven> do packages installed with snap take much more disk space than installed with apt, because snap packages contain all dependencies the application needs and doesn't use system wide installed packages as dependencies?
[20:30] <electricityZZZZ> per your request, here is apt policy python3.6    https://paste.rs/XUX
[20:31] <tomreyn> Azrael_-: sorry, Ubuntu 14.04 is no longer supported here.
[20:31] <lordcirth__> seven-eleven, most snaps depend on the snap 'core' which deduplicates some of the bulk. But it will still use a bit more, probably
[20:31] <Azrael_-> not even some hints? i know you didn't purge all the ancient knowledge yet :)
[20:31] <lordcirth__> Azrael_-, 14.04 is just going to keep causing you problems until you fix it
[20:32] <seven-eleven> lordcirth__, oh wow, I didn't know about snap core. so the snap core decides how bleeding edge or old their core libraries should be for their devs
[20:32] <lordcirth__> seven-eleven, snaps can depend on different versions of core, I believe.
[20:32] <seven-eleven> lordcirth__, and if the devs want to use newer libraries they can just add it to their snap package
[20:32] <seven-eleven> lordcirth__, mmhm interesting
[20:32] <Azrael_-> lordcirth__: i know, but unfortunately this crappy hoster doesn't supporty any newer version on his vps yet. i know switching, but for now i have to stick with it for some time
[20:33] <lordcirth__> Azrael_-, can't you just upgrade it with do-release-upgrade?
[20:33] <tomreyn> Azrael_-: talk to your hoster, maybe they have a long term support contract.
[20:33] <Azrael_-> tomreyn: they're just lazy
[20:34] <TJ-> electricityZZZZ: that python3.6 report shows a version for xenial was installed, but the repository it came from is no longer in APT's sources.list, but because its version is later than the available version in 18.04, the xenial package is kept
[20:34] <Azrael_-> lordcirth__: i admit i didn't try. i'm mostly a debian guy and thus not that familiar with ubuntu
[20:34] <electricityZZZZ> have i answered everybody's questions about the state of my system? sorry about my not spotting the correct package name once above.
[20:34] <lordcirth__> !eolupgrade | Azrael_-
[20:34] <electricityZZZZ> TJ-: ok, how do i rememdy that?
[20:34] <TJ-> electricityZZZZ: you could do "sudo apt install python3.6=3.6.7-1~18.04
[20:35] <TJ-> electricityZZZZ: the =xxxxx installs the specific version you request
[20:35] <electricityZZZZ> do i need to also tell it to install a bunch of other packages or will it handle the dependencies correctly?
[20:35] <TJ-> electricityZZZZ: it should handle the rest correctly if no other dependencies further on have problems like this one did
[20:35] <electricityZZZZ> ok, here goes...
[20:36] <electricityZZZZ> sigh  https://paste.rs/KBu
[20:36] <TJ-> electricityZZZZ: it is possible that python3.6 depends on lots of other Xenial packages you've got installed, in which case they'd all need to be removed and the Bionic replacements installed. This should happen automagically but...!
[20:37] <TJ-> electricityZZZZ: It seems at one time you installed python 3.6 on Xenial from some 3rd party, then removed the repository info from sources.list.
[20:37] <tomreyn> electricityZZZZ: we would probably have to assume you have other such foreign packages / package versions? this situation should not occur in the first place on system which is managed well. here's a way you can identify the packages you need to clean up: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages
[20:38] <TJ-> electricityZZZZ: you could try removing the existing python3.6 which would then no longer depend on the other packages, which might make them 'autoremove' candidates
[20:38] <electricityZZZZ> admittedly i wont hate on ubuntu since ive had this system for a while but yeah itd be nice if i dont have to spend hours cleaning up
[20:38] <TJ-> electricityZZZZ: you make the mess, you gets to clean it up :D
[20:39] <TJ-> electricityZZZZ: see tomreyn's comment abouve and his tool to identify the foreign packages
[20:40] <Azrael_-> lordcirth__: ok, this is an openvz-environment. so i don't have any control over the kernel and upgrading everything else without the kernel with such a big gap will also most certainly cuase problems
[20:40] <electricityZZZZ> ok im running this random script as sudo
[20:41] <electricityZZZZ> so then you want me to run sudo apt purge -qq apt-show-versions   ?
[20:41] <lordcirth__> Azrael_-, ah. Well, looks like you're stuck until you switch to a proper VPS
[20:42] <Azrael_-> arg, just realized it is still running 3.13.0-042stab136.1 :(
[20:42] <tomreyn> Azrael_-: yes, openvz is really dead for ~ 10 years
[20:43] <Azrael_-> what's the current virtualization solution with the least overhead?
[20:43] <TJ-> openvz is linux containers :)
[20:43] <tomreyn> that is, the old implementation, based on a linux-vserver fork
[20:43] <tomreyn> which this must be, based on the kernel version
[20:43] <electricityZZZZ> im afraid to muck with these packages https://paste.rs/hS0
[20:44] <TJ-> I fondly recall Virtuzzo, its forerunner, in the dim distant origins of the universe :)
[20:44] <Exterminador> iirc properly, I had a hosting running OpenVZ.. I asked for an upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 and they said that there's no kernel to support the OS (or something similar)
[20:45] <lordcirth__> Azrael_-, depends. LXC will get you a container with a shared kernel. For a true VM, KVM.
[20:45] <lordcirth__> Xen might actually be faster, but is very different / harder
[20:47] <Azrael_-> yeah, running a few xen hosts myself. always thought with other containers like openvz you could constraint the vms in a higher detail
[20:47] <tomreyn> TJ-: it seems you're right, i am wrong, and openvz was never based on linux-vservers.
[20:48] <TJ-> tomreyn: As I recall the 'open' was when virtuozzo went partly FOSS in order to get it into mainline, which took over a decade as it was
[20:48] <tomreyn> i only remember a ig mess, replaced be a not-yet-ready solution called lxc.
[20:48] <TJ-> but it is the origins of all the namespace/cgroup/seccomp et al work
[20:49] <tomreyn> https://wiki.openvz.org/Comparison has an overview
[20:55] <tomreyn> electricityZZZZ: so those packages in the upper list are installed on your system, via apt / dpkg, but there is no apt source available for them. Either purge them or configure an apt repository you trust which provides packages in versions compatible to your ubuntu release.
[20:57] <electricityZZZZ> ...realistically a ubuntu user will (1) need to use python and (2) encounter packages which are outside of apt management.... is there a reasonable other way?
[20:57] <electricityZZZZ> i would guess that making my own apt package is filled with ifs and buts and i would need to register to become a package maintainer and blahblah i simply don't have time to do that
[20:58] <tomreyn> electricityZZZZ: the packages in the lower list are installed on your system, via apt / dpkg, but there is no apt repository configured for the very *version* they are installed in (but for a lower version). Either downgrade (or purge and reinstall) them or configure an apt repository you trust which provides these packages in these or newer versions, and in versions compatible to your ubuntu release.
[20:59] <tomreyn> electricityZZZZ: you could use snaps instead, but YMMV.
[21:00] <electricityZZZZ> touching my nvidia drivers scares me i forget how i installed the latest ones
[21:00] <electricityZZZZ> i dont understand why or how python is installed on my system outside of some apt thing
[21:04] <tomreyn> electricityZZZZ: there are python modules available via apt, and via pip (maybe prefer apt, but replace them by pip downloaded modules in a restricted users' home directory when newer module versions or modules not available via apt are needed needed). python is part of ubuntu, and ubuntu depends on it to work properly, so do not mix the two on an administrative level (root). use virtualenv's.
[21:04] <electricityZZZZ> so will sudo apt-get purge python3.6    then autoremove, autoclean and install python3.6 take care of that ? if so how do i restore my other packages after doing that...
[21:06] <Ben64> i wouldn't purge python, sounds like a bad idea
[21:06] <electricityZZZZ> can i install a more recent version of python (like 3.7) and then point everything at that?
[21:06] <OerHeks> removing a core python 3.6 .. not wise, and already answered by tomreyn
[21:07] <Ben64> electricityZZZZ: install the versions that are in the default repository
[21:07] <Younder> You need to program each and very step using a provisoner to get such a complete restore. It is a lot of work, but the results can be mazing in case of major malfunction. As usual pupplet, chef, ansible or saltstack are available. Anyone will do but I hear SaltStack scales better in HPC environments with 100'ds of computers.
[21:09] <mloza> Hello, I'm using ubuntu bionic and I have set dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces but it doesn't set /etc/resolv.conf when restart networking
[21:11] <EriC^^> mloza: i think you need to set them in the files of /etc/resolvconf/resolvconf.d and then restart resolvconf
[21:11] <electricityZZZZ> https://paste.rs/NIF    problems installing python3.7*
[21:12] <EriC^^> mloza: https://datawookie.netlify.com/blog/2018/10/dns-on-ubuntu-18.04/
[21:12] <Bashing-om> mloza: netplan now controls networking. See if : https://blog.ubuntu.com/2017/12/01/ubuntu-bionic-netplan helps .
[21:13] <electricityZZZZ> oh interesting, i can tell it to install python3.7-venv manually and that works fine
[21:13] <mloza> I don't want to use netplan. How can I make it traditional just by setting it /etc/network/interfaces will change the nameserver in /etc/resolve.conf?
[21:14] <tomreyn> electricityZZZZ: i got disconnected, here's what i saw / wrote: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mk9Vz3HpHQ/
[21:14] <electricityZZZZ> oh interesting, i can tell it to install python3.7-venv manually and that works fine
[21:15] <electricityZZZZ> so i'm just substituting python3 with python3.7 in my command line diahhrea that i'm following and so far everything is working fine
[21:15] <EriC^^> mloza: https://askubuntu.com/questions/143819/how-do-i-configure-my-static-dns-in-interfaces
[21:15] <OerHeks> mloza, not, see EriC^^ answer
[21:16] <Younder> Remember that python 2.7 is still the standard ubuntu interface code, so making python 3.x search as pyton on the command line can fuck up the interface
[21:17] <electricityZZZZ> lol python2.7 ... im leaving python3.6 as the default but am manually invoking 3.7 to create my virtualenv and then working within that (im assuming the virtualenv sets my python version to what i used to create it...)
[21:18] <Younder> I did that mistake once. Half the setting in meues stopped working.
[21:18] <electricityZZZZ> menus? you mean like gui stuff?
[21:19] <electricityZZZZ> i dont really use the gui i just need my system to work
[21:19] <artyx> every once in awhile theres something in the gui thats worth using though (saves time/effort)
[21:19] <artyx> plus.. web surfing in chrome/ff > surfing in w3m .. even if you can point/click
[21:19] <electricityZZZZ> which should be a command line utility
[21:19] <Younder> Well much of the programs like 'settings' are written in python.
[21:19] <electricityZZZZ> yeah the browser is the only ui i use
[21:20] <artyx> does anyone here mess with cpu pinning?
[21:20] <artyx> I bought a 12 core amd .. and noticed that its missing several cores .. for a 12 core cpu i have cores listed up to 14.
[21:21] <electricityZZZZ> there are weird problems with the gui setup in ubuntu. like i tried to use a wacom tablet and to make it work i have to log into xorg-gnome and then log back into "ubuntu" ... logging directly into ubuntu makes it not work... when it does work it works brilliantly however
[21:22] <artyx> but i bet it works better using the whackem in xorg/beaver/whatever than the console
[21:22] <electricityZZZZ> ok within my python3.7-venv i am getting this error: https://paste.rs/oH2
[21:23] <artyx> electricityZZZZ apt-cache search cmake?
[21:23] <electricityZZZZ> yeah ok sorry dumb question there
[21:23] <artyx> You probably need to install cmake ...
[21:23] <electricityZZZZ> you would think pip would take care of that
[21:23] <artyx> yes and no ... cmake != python is it?
[21:24] <artyx> pip is for python based package management i thought
[21:24] <Younder> nop
[21:24]  * electricityZZZZ wants to install software on his system and have it Just Work not spend time telling computers what he means
[21:24] <Younder> electricityZZZZ, don't we all
[21:25] <artyx> electricityZZZZ: You picked an interesting distribution for that =)
[21:25] <artyx> Ive been working since 4/14 on my ubuntu 18/win10 setup
[21:25] <electricityZZZZ> are you guys nixos afficionados? i read some forum posts and got turned off
[21:25] <tomreyn> artyx: about your cpu cores not being detected, if you'Re looking for help with it, provide more information and output.
[21:25] <Younder> I still uise apache
[21:26] <artyx> tomreyn : Sure, its a 12 core cpu.  I noticed cpuinfo is missing 3,11,13 and instead has 12 and 14
[21:26] <artyx> Is that a normal affair?
[21:26] <artyx> getting into this whole cpu pinning concept to improve guest performance even more
[21:27] <tomreyn> no, not commonly to be expected
[21:27] <tomreyn> !details | artyx
[21:27] <artyx> esp since on a 6 core i opened up like 4 HEVC 1080p vids and they started descyncing
[21:28] <tomreyn> apparently you're referring to some virtualization, you're not discussing which ubuntu version this is about, which cpu exactly etc.
[21:28] <artyx> The details, is I was engaging in a friendly question to the (1524?!?!?) participants of the channel, wagering that at least one active particpant might elucidate a similar behavior on their own cpu
[21:28] <artyx> where proc/cpuinfo's cores are not all sequential, but they'd have to have a pretty big cpu. so for a dual core system, or laptop. probably not
[21:28] <artyx> I am looking for no support, its idle curiosity
[21:28] <tomreyn> oh, i see. then it's just the wrong channel
[21:29] <artyx> Is there #ubuntu-community-chat-not-support?
[21:29] <tomreyn> !chat
[21:30] <tomreyn> there is also #ubuntu-discuss
[21:30] <tomreyn> we just keep it to support here since it can get busy. thanks.
[21:31] <electricityZZZZ> yeah well i got my software package working, so there you have it. installing python3.7 will remedy a borked default python install. pretty valuable advice if i do say so myself :-P feel free to post on some board and claim credit
[21:32] <artyx> So this is a support channel dedicated to the installer? (the unique part of ubuntu)
[21:32] <Sleaker> artyx: not just the installer.
[21:32] <artyx> the repos?
[21:32] <artyx> I want to make sure i understand scope as not to waste anyone elses time.  (And asking what the scope of #ubuntu is on ubuntu discussion probably violates discussion somehow)
[21:37] <artyx> -drive file=/dev/sdc,if=none,format=raw,cache=none,id=hd0 -device virtio-scsi-pci,id=scsi -device scsi-block,drive=hd0,bus=scsi.0-device scsi-block,drive=drive0,bus=virtio-scsi-pci
[21:41] <causative> I'm trying to create a silent .wav of length 1 second with *exactly* the same characteristics as another .wav, at least the same sampling rate and bitrate, so that I can, I hope, append the silent .wav to the other one using sox with zero loss
[21:42] <causative> I have found that even if the sampling rate is the same, sox will have a slight loss when concatenating the two files, which is unacceptable
[21:47] <kadiro> causative, try ffmpeg
[21:48] <causative> that's what I was using
[21:48] <kadiro> using for concat or generate
[21:48] <causative> to generate the silent wav
[21:49] <causative> ffmpeg will concat as well?
[21:49] <kadiro> ok you can also use it to concat
[21:49] <kadiro> yes
[21:49] <kadiro> ffmpeg -f concat -i input.txt -codec copy generated_wav
[21:50] <de-facto> ​/JOIN #ffmpeg
[21:50] <kadiro> inside your input.txt you have something like: file 'silent.wav' next line file 'otherwav.wav'
[21:54] <causative> eh, that gives far worse results, can barely even understand the otherwav.wav from within generated.wav, so much static
[21:54] <kadiro> causative, otherwav.wav is an example use the exact naming for your wav file
[21:55] <causative> of course, I did
[21:56] <causative> and I can understand it a little if I listen hard through the static
[21:59] <kadiro> causative, I found a solution here ( https://superuser.com/questions/587511/concatenate-multiple-wav-files-using-single-command-without-extra-file ) with the ffmpeg may be it need transcoding it
[22:02] <bfhsoftware> hello!! i need to active the FB ! FrameBuffer in Console tty1, please anyone can i helpme?
[22:22] <bfhsoftware> hello?
[22:23] <tomreyn> !details | hi bfhsoftware, please
[22:25] <bfhsoftware> ok! sorry
[22:26] <tomreyn> bfhsoftware: no need to be sorry there ;-)  - just provide some more info, start with the ubuntu version you are running there, explain what's the bigger issue you're trying to solve, and what brought you towards this possible solution.
[22:28] <tomreyn> !xy | bfhsoftware: so far, it sounds like an X<->Y issue to me
[22:29] <Iknus_50> hi guys
[22:31] <tomreyn> bom tarde, Iknus_50, are you in need of some ubuntu support by chance?
[22:31] <bfhsoftware> i need to active the FB ! FrameBuffer in Console tty1, i try to do a modprobe viafb and this is not work, and i think... i need to put a DRM module to kernel?
[22:32] <OerHeks> framebuffer to tty1 .. you want to play a movie or something?
[22:32] <bfhsoftware> ubuntu 16.04 desktop,
[22:37] <bfhsoftware> i try to use advancemame! is a game yes
[22:43] <tomreyn> bfhsoftware: is this ARM hardware? maybe ask in #ubuntu-arm then
[22:44] <bfhsoftware> not, is a normal computer
[22:46] <tomreyn> viafb is the frame buffer device driver for Graphics chips of VIA UniChrome (Pro) Family (CLE266,PM800/CN400,P4M800CE/P4M800Pro/ CN700/VN800,CX700/VX700,P4M890) and Chrome9 Family (K8M890,CN896 /P4M900,VX800)
[22:46] <tomreyn> weren't those last produced aeons ago?
[22:48] <tomreyn> it seems to be still supported as a module on 18.04 LTS, though.
[22:49] <lwlvl> hello everybody!
[22:50] <tomreyn> bfhsoftware: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/fb/viafb.txt is the manual, but note https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Via_Technologies
[22:50] <tomreyn> hi lwlvl
[22:51] <lwlvl> I have a fresh installed Lenovo Yoga 330, which fails to come back from sleep immediately. After a time of let's say 1 minute, the screen comes back suddenly. The strange behavior is, that when I execute pm-suspend as root, I can wake up the notebook instantly and the screen comes back. But when I close the lid instead, the behavior mentioned earlier comes into play.
[22:54] <lwlvl> okay...I think the time until the screen comes back is about 3 minutes, not 1
[22:55] <swift110> hmm
[22:59] <lwlvl> https://bpaste.net/show/8d5aacc69676 <--- kernel-log
[23:00] <lwlvl> I have an assumption, that the ath-driver is causing the delay...but unsure....
[23:00] <lwlvl> the behaviour is also reproduceable while flightmode (okay, the ath-driver may be still loaded...)
[23:01] <bfhsoftware> tomreyn, i have this message https://bpaste.net/show/2802e93fe8c6
[23:02] <tomreyn> bfhsoftware: i'm afraid i know nothing at all about this module, can't help there.
[23:03] <bfhsoftware> exits any module generic?
[23:04] <Guest94823> buenas
[23:05] <lwlvl> I think it's not related to the ath-driver...I unloaded it from the kernel, but the behaviour of black screen is still existent....there's also no way to use a propretiary graphic-driver since it's running with i915.
[23:14] <tomreyn> lwlvl: well you have a kernl oops about ath10k in your log when resuming, this suggests a module or firmware issue.
[23:14] <tomreyn> the message before it happens is   ath10k_pci 0000:02:00.0: unsupported HTC service id: 1536
[23:14] <tomreyn> i'd suggest you search this.
[23:14] <lwlvl> tomreyn, I unloaded the module ath10k_pci before closing the lid...same issue....
[23:15] <lwlvl> (I also checked that it was unloaded)
[23:16] <tomreyn> lwlvl: i'm looking at line 955 and following of https://bpaste.net/show/8d5aacc69676 - where the module was loaded.
[23:17] <tomreyn> also this may be worth researching, printed when preparing to enter suspend:   ideapad_laptop: Unknown event: 10
[23:17] <qwebirc78446> Hiya. Currently having some 18.04 install issues
[23:17] <lwlvl> tomreyn, yes, I see...I googled the message, analysing the results.
[23:18] <lwlvl> tomreyn, but the issue persists, when I unload the module and close the lid....
[23:18] <Bashing-om> !details | qwebirc78446
[23:18] <lwlvl> tomreyn, when I force the notebook into suspend by "pm-suspend" as root, everything works fine....
[23:18] <tomreyn> lwlvl: you can post another log when you boot + suspend after blacklisting the module (and ensuring it is unloaded)
[23:19] <lwlvl> tomreyn, okay...one second...
[23:19] <qwebirc78446> I have currently just installed it on my machine(which has grub
[23:19] <tomreyn> lwlvl: maybe investigage systemd-inhibit
[23:19] <tomreyn> lwlvl: maybe investigate     systemd-inhibit --list    and see whether any of those get in the way.
[23:20] <tomreyn> hi qwebirc78446
[23:20] <tomreyn> please describe how the installation doesn't seem to be working properly
[23:21] <qwebirc78446> When I start Ubuntu, I get the Ubuntu symbol and the 4 loading dots
[23:22] <qwebirc78446> Afterwards, the screen blacks and I am then presented with a wall of text that looks like [ OK  ] important boot stuff here
[23:22] <qwebirc78446> After the initial load, it flickers
[23:23] <qwebirc78446> On and off, including when I load a terminal with alt+f2
[23:24] <tomreyn> lwlvl: see also logind.conf(5)
[23:24] <qwebirc78446> I can not access a terminal for more than a few seconds, though when I re enter it, it remembers where I was
[23:25] <lwlvl> tomreyn, I put a few lines in logind.conf (after the problem appeared): HandleLidSwitch=ignore HandleSuspendKey=ignore HandleLidSwitchExternalPower=ignore
[23:25] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: so you're saying the installation went fine, but there are problems afterwards, right?
[23:25] <lwlvl> tomreyn, but only to prevent it from failing....
[23:25] <qwebirc78446> Currently on my phone for this chat, so if I'm slow to respond,
[23:25] <qwebirc78446> I apologise
[23:26] <lwlvl> tomreyn, I'll blacklist the module right now and make a new log
[23:26] <qwebirc78446> Tomreyn yes
[23:26] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: can you switch to a tty?
[23:26] <lwlvl> tomreyn, are there any services like "wgetpaste" in ubuntu to pipe the output directly to a pastebin?
[23:26] <tomreyn> !tty | qwebirc78446
[23:26] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | lwlvl
[23:27] <qwebirc78446> Briefly, but the screen is flickering  so I'm kicked out every few seconds
[23:27] <qwebirc78446> It remembers where I last left though
[23:27] <tomreyn> lwlvl: we also use   cat /etc/os-release  | nc termbin.com 9999   here, since netcat is installed by default.
[23:28] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: oh that's on a tty, not a terminal, right?
[23:28] <tomreyn> like, not a terminal window
[23:28] <lwlvl> tomreyn, okay....reboot...let's see, what it brings.
[23:29] <qwebirc78446> tomreyn, yeah,  a tty.
[23:30] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: okay, can you boot to the recovery menu?
[23:30] <tomreyn> !recovery | qwebirc78446
[23:30] <causative> thanks kadiro I was able to get it to work and it does seem to be lossless after combining 300+ files in this way
[23:31] <kadiro> causative, no problem
[23:31] <lwlvl> tomreyn, "blacklist ath10k_pci" wasn't working. (I put the line into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist)
[23:31] <qwebirc78446> tomreyn, doing so now. It's loading,  but now it's flickering again
[23:31] <qwebirc78446> Last thing on the list was under manager for uid 122
[23:31] <qwebirc78446> user*
[23:32] <lwlvl> tomreyn, maybe better blacklisting "ath"?
[23:32] <qwebirc78446> tomreyn: got to a stable recovery mode tty
[23:33] <lwlvl> tomreyn, blacklist ath didn't work either.
[23:33] <tomreyn> lwlvl: blacklist ath10k_core
[23:34] <tomreyn> lwlvl: that's th emodule which was failing. also, lsmod to see which ones are loaded
[23:34] <tomreyn> and you might need to update-initramfs if those get loaded early
[23:34] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: great, so you see the menu now?
[23:35] <qwebirc78446> Well, it's just the terminal. Not a gui
[23:35] <qwebirc78446> I have root access to everything I would need to do though
[23:36] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: this is what the recovery menu look like https://www.maketecheasier.com/assets/uploads/2019/03/ubuntu-recovery-root.jpg
[23:37] <tomreyn> i.e., without the shell prompt executed, yet
[23:37] <qwebirc78446> Oh, no not there. I am currently in the shell, as if I had one open on my machine
[23:37] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: i'd like you to get online (enable networking), that's why i'm asking
[23:37] <atem_> hi
[23:37] <lwlvl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Cj3G5JJCGt/
[23:37] <lwlvl> still loaded?!
[23:38] <atem_> where are you from
[23:38] <lwlvl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mBFgBQ2wRH/
[23:38] <atem_> iron man dead
[23:39] <lwlvl> tomreyn, my blacklist-commands don't seem to prevent module loading...
[23:39] <tomreyn> lwlvl: if the file name is indeed /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist it may just be ignored. you need to have it end in .conf, i think
[23:39] <lwlvl> tomreyn, cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ath10k_core.conf
[23:40] <tomreyn> !ot | atem_
[23:40] <lwlvl> tomreyn, that's why i don't get it...
[23:40] <atem_> hi
[23:40] <qwebirc78446> tomreyn what do I need networking to do?
[23:41] <atem_> hi
[23:41] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: helps installing updates and sharing output from your system with us.
[23:42] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: maybe let's take a step back. do you have a way to find out the name of the installer ISO file you downloaded?
[23:43] <qwebirc78446> It was part of an automatic update from the update manager
[23:44] <tomreyn> lwlvl: so you tried updating the initramfs after adding the blacklist? you could also try a kernel command line parameter to block this module. you could try to rfkill the hardware if it's wireless.
[23:45] <qwebirc78446> tomreyn I don't know where it's from, other than the software manager of 16.04
[23:45] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: so you didn't install ubuntu 18.04 freshly, but you did a system upgrade from an earlier ubuntu release?
[23:45] <qwebirc78446> Yes
[23:46] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: so you upgraded from ubuntu 16.04 to ubuntu 18.04 ?
[23:46] <qwebirc78446> Yes
[23:46] <qwebirc78446> So this is going to be a nightmare, isn't it?
[23:46] <lwlvl> tomreyn, I'm relatively new to ubuntu, is there a tool to get the initramfs updated?
[23:47] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: no, i'm just asking for clarification since you said "<qwebirc78446> Hiya. Currently having some 18.04 install issues" initially, which sounds like a fresh install
[23:47] <lwlvl> tomreyn, update-initramfs looks good?
[23:47] <tomreyn> lwlvl: yes, that's why i mentioned it earlier ;)
[23:47] <lwlvl> tomreyn, update-initramfs -u ;)
[23:48] <lwlvl> running...
[23:48] <qwebirc78446>  Ok. I can get into an 18.04 terminal at least
[23:49] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: okay, but you have no internet access, right?     ping -c3 google.com      reports 100% packet loss?
[23:49] <lwlvl> tomreyn, still loaded...even with an updated initramfs
[23:50] <qwebirc78446> No packet loss at all
[23:50] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: does this return a http address?   lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:51] <lwlvl> tomreyn, okay....rfkill blocked the wifi right now....but the modules are still loaded....is it necessary for the test to simply unload them?
[23:52] <lwlvl> since blacklisting is not working properly they will be reloaded after reboot
[23:52] <tomreyn> lwlvl: probably not, if they aren't being used, they shouldnt get in the way, i hope
[23:52] <lwlvl> tomreyn, okay...I will flush the kern.log and then do the test again
[23:53] <qwebirc78446> tomreyn got the address
[23:53] <tomreyn> lwlvl: you can just run + post    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999    afterwards
[23:53] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: would you share it with us? just the characters after the trailing slash
[23:54] <qwebirc78446> vgv5
[23:54] <tomreyn> so thats https://termbin.com/vgv5 for your graphics card
[23:55] <qwebirc78446> Ok. Makes sense
[23:55] <tomreyn> you have an nvidia graphics card, which i am not very familiar with.
[23:56] <tomreyn> !nomodeset
[23:56] <tomreyn> this might help, or make things worse, but it's worth a try
[23:56] <lwlvl> tomreyn, okay...for the first the screen remains black after wakeup.
[23:56] <tomreyn> qwebirc78446: on the other hand, booting to the recovery menu would have set nomodeset, too.
[23:57] <tomreyn> but maybe try nevertheless
[23:57] <tomreyn> lwlvl: like, entirely? and that's not due to a change you made to logind.conf ?
[23:58] <lwlvl> tomreyn, no, I just disabled the lid-switches, but I commented my lines out and reactivated them
[23:58] <lwlvl> NOW....it comes back with login-screen
[23:58] <tomreyn> lwlvl: so you'Re saying it took longer than before this time.