[11:37] <guiverc> 19.10 live test; shouldn't CTRL+ALT+T still open a xfce4-terminal ?
[11:37] <guiverc> (it's doing nothing for me)
[12:08] <Spass[m]> is Super+T working?
[12:20] <guiverc> sorry Spass[m], I use an old model m keyboard, no super key
[12:22] <guiverc> i'll try it on another box that has a 35 year younger keyboard...
[12:27] <guiverc> Spass[m], on second box; ctrl+alt+T does nothing,  super+t also does nothing; then i loaded `xev` & can see it detect keystrokes though
[12:34] <Spass[m]> hmm, maybe it's related to this? https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52644#p52644
[12:34] <Spass[m]> guiverc: do you have libexo-1-0 installed?
[12:35] <guiverc> will look..
[12:37] <guiverc> dpkg -l responds 'ii  ..' so yep  (box is in another room)
[12:48] <guiverc> Spass[m], i just had bug 1821652 again, so ran the command Theo said to fix my screens (`XFSETTINGSD_DEBUG=1 xfsettingsd --replace --no-daemon` to gain debug info, which also fixes my screen issue) and NOW CTRL+ALT+T works too ??!!
[12:49] <guiverc> super+T is working too !
[12:53] <guiverc> do you want a bug report over ctrl+alt+f/super+t or can I ignore?
[12:57] <guiverc> s/ctrl+alt+f/ctrl+alt+t/ ^
[20:12] <Unit193> guiverc: xfsettingsd is what interprets those keystrokes to open the terminal, so if it wasn't running (or running properly) then launching/replacing it would indeed fix it.
[21:10] <brainwash> guiverc: did you actually check if all other keybinds are working?
[21:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: We going all in this round, xfwm4 and xfce4-session too? :3
[21:15] <guiverc> Unit193, thanks, brainwash not that i can recall. i just woke up, so i'll endeavour to look in a few hours
[21:30] <bluesabre> Unit193: you betcha, we're going for it all
[21:30] <Unit193> :3
[22:38] <guiverc> brainwash, the keybindings (those tried) all work after xfsettings command is executed; but NOT before [xfset..] on d780 (optiplex) box
[22:38] <Unit193> So, why isn't xfsettingsd starting with the session, I wonder..
[22:39] <guiverc> i'll boot & play with the thumbdrive (daily) on other boxes..  
[22:39] <brainwash> Unit193: or why is crashing/hanging
[22:41] <brainwash> I don't think that anything changed recently, so the daily iso should still be mostly 19.04
[22:41] <brainwash> well
[22:41] <brainwash> -settings should be new
[22:42] <brainwash> just remembered that
[22:42] <brainwash> 4.13.4 -> 4.13.5
[22:46] <guiverc> fyi: another box can't use ctrl+alt+t  (i can't try super bindings sorry; another 80s model m keyboard)
[22:48] <brainwash> there should be other keybinds which don't use the super key
[22:48] <guiverc> i'll look.
[22:48] <brainwash> print key for xfce4-screenshooter I think
[22:50] <guiverc> nah, ctrl-esc, alt+fn not doing anything, and no prtscr does nothing
[22:51] <brainwash> xfsettingsd process is present?
[22:54] <guiverc> if i execute the xfsett... command all keys work
[22:55] <guiverc> (i've switched to another box; that's in this room!)
[22:55] <brainwash> you mentioned that already
[22:56] <guiverc> nah it was a different box yes, but another box in another room. 
[22:57] <guiverc> NOTE: this box the keybinding work on boot!  
[22:57] <guiverc> (the first three were all dell optiplex's, c2d & c2q's, this is later i5)
[22:57] <brainwash> did you test with the 19.04 iso yet?
[22:59] <Unit193> guiverc: Can you see if the process was running but not functioning, or whatnot?  Also, ~/.xsession-errors?
[23:09] <guiverc> found 19.04 daily (20190416) & keybindings WORK as booted (prtscr, ctrl+alt+T)
[23:10] <guiverc> (i was looking for thumbdrive to write to, that 19.04 was already on drive so used that)
[23:11] <guiverc> ps:  that was tested on first box I had issues with; c2d d755(-8)
[23:17] <guiverc-unreg> cat .xsession-errors |pastebinit -->  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SrFxVJxPSW/
[23:20] <guiverc-unreg> ps -elf |grep xf |pastebinit --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SNZKntRPVs/
[23:20] <guiverc-unreg>    , sorry Unit193 not sure what check you want me to perform
[23:22] <Unit193> Huh, I don't see anything in .xsession-errors that'd account for that.