[00:02] <wxl> what specifically do you want to do with it?
[00:02] <wxl> oops wrong channel gosh darnit
[00:02] <joe657> autostart doesn't work either in ~/.config[...] or /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart. crontab doesn't execute the script either as root or user
[00:03] <wxl> re: autostart, did you make a desktop file as the links i sent suggested?
[00:04] <joe657> if anyone in here uses a laptop and wants to test turning off the touchpad using: xinput set-prop [value] "Device Enabled" 0, that would be very helpful.
[00:04] <joe657> the desktop file option was for autostarting applications
[00:06] <joe657> i can certainly try doing that, since i've tried literally everything else
[00:07] <joe657> obviously, the command works in the terminal, i just can't get it to execute at boot
[00:12] <joe657> i know my syntax is correct
[00:25] <joe657> wxl: ok i got it working finally. i did create the desktop file as explained in the link. i needed to create the folder ~/.config/autostart and place it in there. thanks for your help.
[00:26] <joe657> wxl: by the way, do you know if i can create a desktop file which executes a script?
[00:27] <wxl> yup
[00:27] <joe657> ok cool. thx
[00:27] <wxl> the Exec= line just runs a command
[00:27] <wxl> any command
[00:27] <joe657> ok now i know...thx again
[00:27] <wxl> https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s07.html
[01:08] <joe657> wxl: everything worked in my script except setting aliases. can that only be automated using ~/.bashrc ?
[01:12] <joe657> nevermind. apparently i have to add: "shopt -s expand_aliases" to the script to set aliases
[01:17] <joe657> nope, actually that doesn't work either. i'll just use .bashrc instead
[01:27] <joe657> i just have one more question and then i'll stop being so demanding. i'm trying to set grub with a 5 second timeout delay, but changing the settings in /etc/default/grub and update-grub doesn't work. something seems to be overriding it. any ideas?
[01:27] <joe657> it's currently set at 30 second delay. i'm using 18.04 LTS
[02:27] <guiverc> joe657, do you have more than one *nix installed?  and another [OS] possibly owns the MBR/grub-stage-0?
 @joe657 [<joe657> i just have one more question and then i'll stop being so demanding. i' …], Should work unless you have another linux distro dual booted.
[03:57] <joe657> i know i can just hand edit the grub.cfg, but i'm just curious how lubuntu tweaks things
[03:58] <joe657> guiverc: no dual boot setup, just lubuntu on a laptop
[04:02] <joe657> guiverc: i did have 19.04 installed on the same laptop, but i downgraded to 18.04 LTS after issues. however, i created a new partition table
[12:06] <fishcooker> what's eml files reader except thunderbird?
[17:20] <joe657> how do i get lubuntu to remember the window dimension for a certain application? e.g. leafpad opens full screen and i don't want that. want to set the window dimension and window position and save it.
[17:29] <wxl> joe657: http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Applications
[17:42] <pootis> need help
[17:42] <tomreyn> need details
[17:43] <pootis> how i get 32bit lubuntu 19
[17:43] <wxl> you don't. we stopped offering it
 There is no 32-bit ISO file
[17:43] <wxl> in fact, no flavor of ubuntu offers 32 bit anymore
[17:44] <pootis> y
[17:44] <wxl> for us, among other reasons, because no other flavor of ubuntu offers 32 bit anymore XD
[17:44] <wxl> also we don't really have sufficient testers
[17:44] <wxl> and without that, it's difficult to support
[17:44] <wxl> this is all the more true when ubuntu has been discussing entirely removing 32 bit packages from the archive (at present they still exist, though the isos do not)
[17:45] <wxl> and 32-bit only processors exist on machines so old they're virtually impractical
[17:46] <pootis> my pc old how to put lubuntu on then
[17:46] <wxl> you can use 18.04
[17:47] <wxl> you could also use the netboot/mini.iso
[17:47] <wxl> i'll warn you, though: it has not really been tested, so ymmv
[17:47] <pootis> what ymmv?
[17:47] <wxl> your mileage may vary
[17:47] <pootis> ?
[17:47] <tomreyn> it may work for you, or not
[17:47] <tomreyn> ^
[17:48] <pootis> o
[17:49] <pootis> can upgrade 18.04 32 to 19.10 tho?
[17:49] <wxl> well you can upgrade to 19.04
[17:49] <wxl> and you could hack your way at upgrading to 19.10 from there :)
[17:49] <pootis> 04 i mean
[17:50] <pootis> what need to run to up 18.04 32 to 19?
[17:50] <apt-ghetto> If you install 18.04, you will have at least support until 2021
[17:50] <wxl> you just upgrade like normall
[17:50] <wxl> but there are some packages you'll want to remove
[17:50] <wxl> since 18.04 and 19.04 run completely different systems
[17:51] <wxl> https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html
[17:51] <apt-ghetto> If you upgrade to 19.04, maybe Canonical drops the 32-bit version before the next release comes
[17:51] <tomreyn> i'd also go for 18.04 lts if i *really* had to run a 32-bit OS still
[17:52] <wxl> that is a relevant comment
 but need newer stuff no choice but go 19
[17:52] <wxl> 19.04 will not be supported for as long as 18.04
[17:52] <tomreyn> the newer repositories may just vanish from one day to the other
 right?
[17:52] <pootis> ya
[17:52] <wxl> 32 bit *WILL* get removed from the repositories eventually
[17:52] <pootis> need newer
[17:52] <wxl> @teward001 unless..... >:)
 yeah, use 18.04
 DO NOT use interims
 because the interim releases suck and have limited support
 AND as was stated 32bit WILL be going away "soon"
[17:53] <wxl> s/suck and//
 wxl: dealt with this guy elsewher,e i know how he talks
 :P
[17:53] <pootis> :/
[17:53] <wxl> hahahhaha
[17:53] <pootis> ok i try
[17:53] <pootis> ty
 he was in a discord server I was in, same nick same initial question
 left while i was sleeping overnight otherwise i'd have answered 😛
[17:54] <wxl> hahahhaa
 *rolls eyes* problem is i keep telling people to stop using 32bit
 and people don't listen
[17:54] <wxl> hm should probably make a factoid for it
 I would 😛
[17:55] <wxl> someone write some text and i'll put it together
[17:55] <joe657> wxl: thanks for the link. it's unfortunate that settings and x,y coordinates have to be entered manually in a config file. i like that with fluxbox, you can just right click on the title bar and save the parameters on the "remember" submenu options. oh well...
 32-bit is obsolete and should not be used!  If you need 32-bit support, please use Lubuntu 18.04  32-bit support for all other later releases is highly limited, as we no longer provide ISOs nor test 32-bit versions of Lubuntu and its packages for compatibility.
 wxl: 6
 ^
 bleh stupid keyboard
[17:56] <wxl> joe657: you can just as easily install fluxbox and change your default window manager in lxsession and use that
[17:56] <wxl> i actually like flux a lot
[17:56] <wxl> but i use awesome
[17:58] <joe657> wxl: i didn't know that. awesome. i'll use fluxbox then
[18:04] <teward> wxl: guess where that person went lol
[18:07] <joe657> too bad he left, i was going to recommend bodhi, puppy, and antiX for 32bit support
[18:09] <teward> ... welcome back?
[18:09] <pootis> fuk lubuntu no 32b
[18:09] <teward> ... okay then.
[18:09]  * teward calls upon the wxl for the hammer of the Gods
[18:15] <lubuntusucks> fuk lubuntu no 32b
[18:15] <lubuntusucks> fuk lubuntu no 32b
[18:15] <lubuntusucks> fuk lubuntu no 32b
[18:15] <lubuntusucks> fuk lubuntu no 32b
[18:16] <lynorian> again
[18:17] <fuklubuntu> .
[18:17] <fuklubuntu> .
[18:17] <fuklubuntu> .
[18:17] <fuklubuntu> .
[18:17] <fuklubuntu> .
 *sigh*
 @tsimonq2 wxl or other mods, I think a hammer is needed.
[18:19] <lynorian> got quieted
[18:19] <teward> and not just in here it seems
[18:31] <tomreyn> such an ungrateful... user
[18:38] <wxl> !32bit-#lubuntu is <reply> Lubuntu 18.04 LTS is the last version to support 32-bit processors and will be supported until 2021. Support is highly limited, as we no longer provide images nor test 32-bit versions of Lubuntu and its packages for compatibility. No other flavor of Ubuntu offers 32-bit support and there is discussion in Ubuntu to remove 32-bit packages from the archive entirely. Before you decide
[18:38] <wxl> to use a 32-bit version, check to see if you have 64-bit support with `grep lm /proc/cpuinfo`.
[18:38] <wxl> oh heck
[18:38] <wxl> !32bit
[18:41] <wxl> !32bit-#lubuntu is <reply> Lubuntu 18.04 LTS is the last version to support 32-bit processors & will be supported until 2021. Support is highly limited, as we no longer provide images nor test packages for 32-bit. No other Ubuntu flavor offers 32-bit support. Discussion has been had to remove 32-bit packages from the archive. If `grep lm /proc/cpuinfo` succeeds, use 64-bit.
[18:42] <teward> !no 32bit-#lubuntu is <reply> Lubuntu 18.04 LTS is the last version to support 32-bit processors & will be supported until 2021. Support is highly limited, as we no longer provide images nor test packages for 32-bit. No other Ubuntu flavor offers 32-bit support. Discussion has been had to remove 32-bit packages from the archive. If `grep lm /proc/cpuinfo` succeeds, use 64-bit.
[18:43] <teward> :/
[18:43] <wxl> !no 32bit-#lubuntu is <reply> Lubuntu 18.04 LTS is the last version to support 32-bit processors & will be supported until 2021. Support is highly limited, as we no longer provide images nor test packages for 32-bit. No other Ubuntu flavor offers 32-bit support. Discussion has been had to remove 32-bit packages from the archive. If `grep lm /proc/cpuinfo` succeeds, use 64-bit.
[18:43] <wxl> i couldn't remember how to do it
[18:43] <teward> !32bit
[18:44] <wxl> man wouldn't it be a great day when ubottu was fully documented
[18:44] <teward> wxl: thank god i remembered old crap about the Encyclopedia factoid xD
[18:44]  * wxl rolls eyes so far backwards he's looking straight again
[19:00] <joe657> i was asking yesterday why my grub timeout defaulted to 30 seconds, even though i have it set to five seconds in /etc/default/grub. i looked over the grub.cfg and found this:
[19:00] <joe657> if ["${recordfail}"=1]; then
[19:00] <joe657>  set timeout=30
[19:01] <apt-ghetto> @joe657 You use UEFI or BIOS boot mode?
[19:03] <joe657> apt-ghetto: i'm not sure, i guess UEFI. i had to make an EFI partition during install
[19:05] <apt-ghetto> What shows `ls /sys/firmware/efi`?
[19:07] <joe657> apt-ghetto: different files and subfolders
[19:07] <apt-ghetto> Ok, then you use UEFI
[19:08] <apt-ghetto> Let's reinstall Grub: `sudo grub-install` and pastebinit please, if it is not successful
[19:08] <joe657> apt-ghetto: ok, so what i was asking yesterday is how to set my timeout to 5 seconds, because obviously, changing /etc/default/grub and update-grub wasn't solving the issue.
[19:08] <joe657> apt-ghetto: ok
[19:10] <joe657> apt-ghetto: installation finished. no error reported.
[19:11] <joe657> so what now?
[19:11] <apt-ghetto> Please pastebinit your /etc/default/grub file: `cat /etc/default/grub | pastebinit`
[19:15] <joe657> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QbmRg9DsT6
[19:22] <apt-ghetto> I make some tests in a virtual machine, so it takes some time to answer, joe657
[19:23] <joe657> apt-ghetto: i did update-grub just in case reinstalling grub made any difference, but no, the config file still has 30 second timeout
[19:25] <joe657> apt-ghetto: when i run update grub it has a message: "Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration"
[19:40] <Ellow> muuhh
[20:11] <joe657> apt-ghetto: any luck?
[20:11] <apt-ghetto> No, it is working on my machine
[20:12] <apt-ghetto> I am testing now the pcie_aspm=off parameter
[20:15] <apt-ghetto> I cannot reproduce your problem
[20:16] <apt-ghetto> You might try to add `GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu`
[20:19] <joe657> apt-ghetto: i have no idea what's going on then.
[20:19] <joe657> the pcie-aspm=off parameter is because i was getting PCIe bus error messages scrolling constantly at boot, filling up system logs and using high cpu. i was getting them on both 18.04 and 19.04. i thought downgrading would help. it didn't.
[20:20] <apt-ghetto> When I execute `grep -n 'timeout=' /boot/grub/grub.cfg`, I get 3 hits, the last two with the value from the config file
[20:20] <apt-ghetto> Can you check this too
[20:25] <joe657> apt-ghetto: i get four hits: two set at 5 and two at 30. update-grub definitely includes my 5 second timeout, but it's getting that other timeout from some other config file, apparently. also, 'if ["${recordfail}"=1]; then' suggests there's some kind of error getting triggered at boot
[20:26] <apt-ghetto> You should see the line numbers
[20:26] <apt-ghetto> Check them in the file
[20:26] <apt-ghetto> One timeout=30 is normal
[20:27] <joe657> lines 86 (30) 90 (5) 94 (5) 98 (30)
[20:29] <apt-ghetto> Did you change the files in /etc/grub.d? Or did you use some programs to "customize" Grub?
[20:29] <joe657> apt-ghetto: no to both
[20:30] <apt-ghetto> If you like, you can upload your /boot/grub/grub.cfg to pastebin
[20:31] <apt-ghetto> I can have a look at it tomorrow
[20:31] <joe657> apt-ghetto: it's probably not worth it. maybe it's just a bug. obviously, i can just hand edit the file. the system boots and works fine. it's really just curiousity more than anything else
[20:40] <sappheiros> https://askubuntu.com/questions/586424/how-do-i-display-two-windows-as-split-screen#586427 doesn't work for lubuntu, does it?
[20:43] <sappheiros> I've found the Global Actions Manager. Must I add the control+super+left to make window split screen left?
[20:43] <sappheiros> Control+Meta+Left, apparently (not 'Super'?)
[20:43] <sappheiros> but it seems i must manually enter the command associated with this key binding.
[20:44]  * sappheiros checks https://manual.lubuntu.me/F/keyboard_shortcuts.html?highlight=keyboard%20shortcut
[20:46] <sappheiros> https://manual.lubuntu.me/F/keyboard_shortcuts.html?highlight=keyboard%20shortcut says it's W+left, W+right, but that's not working for me (windows key + left or right)
[20:52] <kc2bez> If you have one, try the right-side windows key and left or right.
[20:53] <kc2bez> sappheiros: ^
[20:55] <sappheiros> Thanks, but I only have one on teh left.
[20:55] <sappheiros> latitude d620
[20:55] <sappheiros> (dell)
[21:02] <kc2bez> Gotcha. The other option is to unmap the left Windows key to the menu. You can find that in shortcut keys under the LXQt settings.
[21:03] <kc2bez> Then the windows key functions for the other shortcuts.
[21:11] <sappheiros> you mean it's impossible to use winkey to open menu and winkey+other stuff to split screen windows?
[21:16] <kc2bez> Unfortunately yes.
[21:16] <sappheiros> is that a design flaw?
[21:17] <kc2bez> It is an issue, we have a task for it: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59
[21:30] <sappheiros> is there a browser lighter than firefox?
[21:33] <sappheiros> thanks kc2bez
[21:35] <kc2bez> Yw, sorry I didn't have a better answer.
[21:36] <kc2bez> As far as which browser to use, the question comes up often. My best advice is to try a few and find which one works best for your use case.
[21:37] <kc2bez> Falkon is one of the ones I might recommend but ultimately the choice comes down to personal preference.
[21:38] <kc2bez> Most of the modern web pages are the culprit when it comes to resource utilization, not necessarily the browser.
[21:46] <sappheiros> wow, looks like Discover might finally be fixed for my machine!
[21:46] <sappheiros> ... well, alt+tabbing back to it from Quassel IRC, now it's not loading visually ...
[21:47] <sappheiros> hm. (i was able to alt+tab back to it after ~7 seconds) it seems to be better but still very slow for my computer. any idea why?
[21:47] <sappheiros> just had a W error that showed up and went away ..
[21:50] <sappheiros> trying Falkon now, thanks
[21:50] <wxl> discover appears to be slow because of all the appdata it's loading
[21:50] <sappheiros> do you mean it's my problem, not a design issue?
[21:51] <wxl> not necessarily
[21:51] <wxl> more that it's rather tricky design issue
[21:51] <wxl> the benefit of discover is that it uses appdata. the detriment is that it uses appdata.
[21:51] <sappheiros> !appdata
[21:51] <wxl> you might be better off just using muon, as it will be more complete anyways
[21:51] <sappheiros> what is appdata ... do you mean information about installed apps?
[21:52] <sappheiros> oh. i thought Discover was the preferred installation method ...
[21:52] <wxl> where did you read that?
[21:53] <sappheiros> ... I guess it was my own logic: "Discover is for newbies accustomed to the Apple App Store and Google Play Store, etc. Muon is more "behind the scenes" for people familiar with individual packages. You're less likely to screw something up if you use Discover."
[21:53] <sappheiros> That's my impression as a novice transitioning from win/mac to linux ...
[21:54] <wxl> i think you're unlikely to screw anything up either way
[21:55] <wxl> btw i meant appstream not appdata https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Distributions/AppStream/
[21:58] <sappheiros> neat, thanks.
[21:59] <wxl> the metadata muon uses is all text, so it comes down a lot faster
[21:59] <sappheiros> kc2bez: so far Falkon with chrome theme gives me more page space and renders text more legible (and a little smaller so i see more of the page content) comparing wxl's page there
[21:59] <sappheiros> so far Falkon > Firefox :D
[22:00] <sappheiros> ah, wxl, yeah makes sense that not loading server images would make the GUI faster
[22:01] <sappheiros> <3 you guys
[22:01] <sappheiros> i like lubuntu more than windows 10
[22:02] <sappheiros> and i think i'm enjoying it more than macOS High Sierra
[22:02] <sappheiros> i'm not sure why
[22:02] <sappheiros> i guess High Sierra is easier
[22:02] <sappheiros> but lubuntu makes me feel smarter or ... actually i think lubuntu is faster
[22:02] <sappheiros> though my macbook pro 2010 is faster for web browsing
[22:02] <kc2bez> Thanks, I am glad to hear that it is working out for you.
[22:03] <wxl> thanks, sappheiros. glad you like it. feel free to ask if you have any further questions. and we've got a place for you if you want to help make it better ;)
[22:03] <sappheiros> that's becoming my main problem with this latitude d620 (dell) -- i'm increasingly unable to browse the web on it
[22:03] <sappheiros> i guess that's not a lubuntu problem
[22:03] <wxl> certainly not
[22:03] <sappheiros> i tried to make google documents edit in suggestion mode and it froze the computer
[22:03] <wxl> the modern web is extremely taxing
[22:04] <wxl> especially all of google's garbage
[22:04] <sappheiros> really now...? ...
[22:04] <wxl> but with any linux you have a lot of power over the overall system usage, so you can easily have a smaller OS overhead
[22:10] <sappheiros> i still get the impression it's a hobbyist OS though
[22:10] <sappheiros> like i couldn't split-screen two windows like you can in win/mac
[22:10] <sappheiros> so i'm reluctant to recommend it to my parents
 @sappheiros [<sappheiros> like i couldn't split-screen two windows like you can in win/mac], Not supported yet.
[22:10] <wxl> that doesn't necessarily make it "hobbyist"
[22:11] <sappheiros> well ... i had another problem as well -- somehow installed brave package directory even though it's 64bit only, and now it's throwing an error every time i try to update muon package manager contents
[22:12] <sappheiros> that's an example -- brave for mac/win is just "download install" clicks, but in linux it's a command line series
[22:12] <sappheiros> i guess there is linux that's click-only ...
[22:12] <sappheiros> i guess that's the default ubuntu stuff
[22:12] <wxl> that's actually a problem with brave, not with linux
[22:12] <sappheiros> oh, okay. then i'm just kinda dumb.
[22:12] <sappheiros> thanks for the clarification :P
[22:13] <wxl> there's software out there that isn't readily available on windows but is on os x or linux
[22:13] <wxl> you can "make it work" but it's not user friendly
[22:13] <wxl> same with os x
[22:13] <sappheiros> true
[22:13] <wxl> but in no case is that the fault of the operating system
[22:13] <sappheiros> yeah ...
[22:21] <sappheiros> Falkon also cannot handle Google Document.
[23:35] <joe657> new problem. i'm trying to set up remote desktop sharing the the lubuntu help page says to set up "vino-preferences" which can't be found, nor can "vino" even though i know it's been installed
[23:39] <joe657> sorry, the executable is "vino-server" but there's still no "vino-preferences" so i guess the lubuntu help page is outdated
[23:40] <wxl> what help page is this?
[23:41] <joe657> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/RemoteDesktop
[23:41] <wxl> oh yeah all the wiki pages are way old
[23:43] <joe657> any idea how to configure this server?
[23:44] <wxl> well fwiw i use nomachine
[23:45] <joe657> i've never used that. is there good documentation for it?
[23:45] <sappheiros> are we updating the ubuntu wiki to simply link to lubuntu.me?
[23:45] <wxl> pretty good
[23:45] <wxl> before that i used x11vnc
[23:45] <sappheiros> or does Canonical want us to use the wiki?
[23:46] <wxl> we probably should sappheiros but i haven't got around to it yet.. i'll probably make a concerted effort to do so once 18.04 support ends
[23:46] <sappheiros> why not use the ubuntu wiki instead of a lubuntu manual?
[23:47] <wxl> because the ubuntu wiki sucks.
[23:47] <sappheiros> is lubuntu planning eventually to make a standalone company/product?
[23:47] <wxl> no
[23:47] <sappheiros> doesn't lubuntu overlap like 80% or 'largely' with ubuntu?
[23:47] <sappheiros> same base system?
[23:47] <sappheiros> or same base code?
[23:47] <wxl> all of the ubuntu flavors *ARE* ubuntu
[23:48] <wxl> each of them (including ubuntu itself) is a particular selection of packages from the ubuntu repositories
[23:48] <sappheiros> right, so in my mind it makes complete sense to update lubuntu's wiki rather than start a separate lubuntu.me manual
[23:48] <wxl> it would, but the ubuntu wiki sucks, as i said
[23:48] <sappheiros> ohh you mean the method of editing it?
[23:48] <sappheiros> i thought you meant the content on it currently sucks
[23:48] <wxl> plus sphinx allows us to publish differnt formats, have a better look,, etc
[23:48] <wxl> no, the software is garbage
[23:49] <sappheiros> 'the software is garbage' != 'the method of editing it sucks'?
[23:49] <kc2bez> I like the look and feel of the manual personally.
[23:49] <sappheiros> lol
[23:50] <kc2bez> the wiki feels dated
[23:50] <wxl> no, like the software is literally terrible.
[23:50] <wxl> it's hard enough just to get it to login, let alone edit
[23:51] <wxl> and the markup is terrible
[23:51] <wxl> joe657: fwiw it seems that the package app-install-data has vino-preferences in it
[23:51] <sappheiros> 'k
[23:58] <joe657> wxl: thanks!