[02:17] hello, I have a strange issue with an r8712u wifi adapter [02:17] I was testing out suspend, and didn't come out of suspend correctly, I can deal with that at some point [02:18] the strange thing is that it hasn't worked since even with multiple full power cycles [02:18] any thought on persistant files from network manager? or somewhere else? It's hard to believe the HW is dead now? [02:19] kubuntu 19.04 [02:26] ok, crazy I booted to a live usb stick and everything is working again [02:27] and then back to the installed kubuntu and it's fine [02:42] how do I lock a package ffrom updating [02:42] I want to make sure firefox doesn't update until mozilla fixes their mess with the addons cert [02:44] apt-mark hold $pkg [02:44] (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973) [02:44] Mozilla bug 1548973 in Add-ons Manager "All extensions disabled due to expiration of intermediate signing cert" [Blocker,New] [02:45] denza242: A workaround is to set xpinstall.signatures.required=false [02:46] will do [02:47] Just remember to reset that once the bug is fixed. [02:53] i'm not sure that holding the package version is going to help in any way whatsoever with this issue [02:53] If you downgrade far enough, but I seriously wouldn't recommend that. [02:54] right, i was assuming nobody does anything that silly [02:54] ubuntu still does major updates to firefox in SRUs right? [02:54] So far. === eric is now known as Guest8716 [04:42] anyone here? === marcus_ is now known as Guest69240 === android is now known as android_ === android_ is now known as android__ [11:57] Seems like Mozilla renewed the certificate and pushed changes through Normandy (a settings update mechanism), extensions should work now for most users. Can anyone confirm? [12:05] Howdy folks === anj is now known as anjune [15:12] (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8FfqK4r1/file_15130.jpg Maybe this explains my Problem good enough... [15:17] RoyalArgus, that doesn't really expalain what you're trying to do [15:20] That is my Problem that I tried to explain Yesterday [15:21] That after I installed the Nvidia drivers, the scaling is a complete mess [15:22] But in system settings the Resolution is correct, the scaling is Set to 1 and Applications Like Nvidia Settings and Firefox scale correctly [15:23] right click on the desktop, choose configure desktop then in positioning choose a scale that works for your monitor [15:30] Im sorry, but I cant find the setting (maybe because the Windows is too big) is there any other way to Set it correctly. Or do you know, why this happens? [15:33] RoyalArgus, does the context menu not open when you right click on the desktop? [15:34] Yes it does [15:35] the choose "configure desktop" [15:35] then [15:39] I think we talk about different things, I dont have issues with the bg wallpaper, but with the scaling of the window elements (Task Bar, System Settings, Konsole) [15:52] Jan, try System Settings -> Fonts: Force DPI and set to 96. Log out and log back in and everything should be sized correctly. [15:52] Okay, let me try [15:57] RoyalArgus you can adjust the height of the panel by click on the 3 dashes at the right hand end of the panel, then choose height and drag the panel up or down. if scaling is set to 1, then I'm unsure what the problem is since your browser scales correctly [16:01] @DarinMiller, Could you please explain, why this happens? @DarinMiller [16:02] The NVidia driver seems to handle dpi slightly different than the Nouvea driver. It's been that way for the 12 years I have used Linux. === z is now known as Guest30252 [16:07] RoyalArgus, is this a pc or laptop? [16:19] Jan, I use the force dpi for all my screens. Resolutions range from 1080p to hdpi 13" (3000x1800). Adjust the dpi to suite your preference. [16:20] On NVidia machines, I also change the title bar button sizes to small or tiny. [16:24] RoyalArgus also you can adjust scaling in system settings>system monitors>displays>scale display [16:33] @BluesKaj, A Desktop with an GTX 980 [16:36] RoyalArgus, check my post above [16:43] @BluesKaj> RoyalArgus also you can adjust scaling in system settings>system monitors>displays, Yes I know, but it's Set to 1 [16:44] RoyalArgus. ok well I guess the dpi route is one way to try to fix it [16:45] @DarinMiller, Thank you so much @DarinMiller my Desktop finally Looks gorgeus again. So you have a Tip, how to shrink the Buttons and scroll Bars? [16:47] Sys settings -> Application Style -> Window Decs -> Click on the button in the middle of the selected theme. [16:48] Not very intuitive unless you know that the option exists... The KDE devs play hide-n-seek with this option regularly.... [16:55] DarinMiller, also annoying that system settings places some configurable settings under headings that seem illogical ...at least to me [17:01] Agreed, The differences between Workplace Theme, App Style, Desktop Behavior, Win Management are not super intuitive to new and even old users. I have to menu dive occasionaly to find options that I "set and forget". That said, I do not have any good recommendation for better organization. The search bar does a good job with find obscure stuff though... [17:50] hey guysn [17:50] my taskbar is stuck === db is now known as Guest21781 [18:07] what VM software is recommended? virtualbox, vmware, virt manager, kvm? [18:08] I'd appreciate a reccomendation based on expereience of some of those examples [18:08] thanks [18:13] for linux vm's, use kvm [18:16] I like the libvirt tools for managing kvm virtual machines [18:17] If you don't need a full VM, also look at using LXC [18:27] looking for firefox news === Lord_of_Life_ is now known as Lord_of_Life [19:29] Is this a place where I can get Kubuntu support? === zeddock28 is now known as zeddock [19:49] I am considering switching from Linux Mint to Kubuntu for my work OS. I wanted to come here to see what kind of support I can expect. Anyone have opinion on that? Thanx! PS Coming from Windows7. [19:55] I have an opinion! And a very strong one at that! 😉 [19:59] ...since I share your journey. Came also from Windows7. [19:59] Go with Kubuntu, it is a great choice from so many angles! [19:59] One being that it feel very similar to Win7 out of the box. [20:00] For support this is a good place. [20:00] also: Telegram. The channeld for Kubuntu, Destination Linux and Tuxdigital. [20:01] ...and for KDE Neon. Since Base and DE are the same as in Kubuntu. [20:03] Linuxophil thank you. I absolutely see the familiarity, and I also like the stability. 2 things I could not get going well on LM was 1. Browser Profile indicators on the panel icons, and Chrome Remote Desktop. On the LIVE version of Kubuntu GRD worked. Have not tried to get profiles. [20:04] Tried LIVE KDE Neon, but it seemed much more unstable and limited in software installation GUI... Like, tried to install QGIS, and it did not show up! [20:04] I am also looking at Feren, due to rolling updates. [20:06] How good is support here? Please? And how would you compare Kubuntu to LM? I ask because although not perfect, LM is close to what I need. Some of this is about getting the OS to work like I am used to, and THAT is likely a mistake, since coming from Windows familiarity. [20:07] I like linux better BUT, I will need to maintain my Windows support to others... and do some work in a Vbox or Paperspace cloud Windows OS. [20:08] Please tell me what you mean by: "also: Telegram. The channeld for Kubuntu, Destination Linux and Tuxdigital." Are these places on an IRC? [20:09] Not on an IRC, Telegram is a messenger which is very popular among Linux folk. [20:10] Some channels are bridged between IRC and Telegram. Like this one. I am writing on IRC right now. [20:10] Sorry. I am writing on Telegram right now. [20:10] IrcsomeBot: Thank you. I went to the Kubuntu support page, (comercial) for in case I would really need help while in middle of work issues. Phone number is not in service for USA. So, I am left very concerned. What do you think? [20:10] I'm still having some weird issues in one of my systems with Discover after upgrading Kubuntu to Disco, I'll describe the problem to see if someone can help me because I'm out of ideas: … 1. When I opened Discover after the Disco upgrade it would not let me upgrade apps and the "Sources" section show two "(undefined)" entries. … 2. After a bit of tinkering I figured out it could be something to do with PackageKit, and [20:10] was right! … 3. If I execute the commands "sudo rm /var/lib/PackageKit/*.db", "sudo systemctl restart packagekit" and "pkcon repair" Discover gets fixed, but partially. The app shows both the "Upgrades" and "Sources" sections correctly but it won't let me upgrade apps nor check for updates (the buttons are greyed out). … 4. If I close Discover I get a lot of "Obtaining dependencies", "Obtaining details" and "Searching files" notifications, [20:10] assume this are PackageKit operations that are failing somehow. … And sorry to interrupt any ongoing conversation but this is a pretty weird issue that only affects one of my systems [20:11] Got you on the messenger. Will look for that! [20:11] Is LM Linux Mint? [20:12] Yes! Sorry about that. New to IRC too! [20:12] LM = Linux Mint [20:13] @zeddock, Just try it out and stick with what works best. I find Kubuntu 18.04 very stable. But parts like Discover (one of the graphical package managers) are very much a work in progress. So if you want to find out if Plasma (the Desktop of Kubuntu) works well for you, try Kubuntu 19.04! [20:14] @jorgetech_spacebiker, I am sorry, I have no idea. Try Tuxdigital, maybe. [20:15] @Linuxophil, What do you mean with Tuxdigital? [20:16] OK Will. I installed telegram already while here... Isn't Linux wonderful!!!?? Is there a way to reach you from there, or woudl you not like that? [20:17] Well, thank you for the information.. [20:17] you are very welcome to contact me. My knowledge is limited, but I enjoy sharing what I know and learning in the process! [20:18] @jorgetech_spacebiker, https://t.me/tuxdigital [20:18] oh wow! I see this in the Telegram! app [20:18] He is a KDE wizard! [20:18] (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/2Qu33LLF/file_15133.mp4 [20:18] Welcome to the bright side! [20:19] Hehehehe. Thanx. leaving kwiirc for Telegram now [20:19] Jim Garner was added by: Jim Garner [20:21] @Linuxophil, I'll ask here, thanks! [20:22] @jorgetech_spacebiker, My pleasure! [20:25] Linuxophil Thank you! I am in the process of moving some TimeShift backups over to an external, just in case I want to go back to LM after trying the full-fledged Kubuntu 19.04. Still curious though where the community support is on the Kubuntu main pages and forums! It looks.... too quiet! A little worrisome. [20:25] The problem here is fragmentation. [20:25] Let me give you some links for general Linux infos. [20:26] I know I should like the OS, I am just a bit worried about spending a lot of time getting a system together for work, but hitting walls down the road without a clear way to get solutions. Any thoughts on my deep delima? [20:26] do you have a podcatcher? [20:26] Have no idea what that is, but will find it/ [20:26] @Jim Garner, Yes. That can happen on any OS. And on linux you will always find a way to what you want. [20:27] @Jim Garner, Do you use a smartphone? [20:27] yes. [20:28] Fragmentation meaning Kubuntu, and Linux, have SO MANY options, it is difficult to keep many people swimming in the sam estream, thus.... nobody seems to be home at Kubuntu? [20:28] Android or ios? [20:28] Android. [20:29] download "antennapod" from the play store. [20:29] ok. [20:29] there you will be able to download podcasts. [20:29] this is how I learn linux. Podcasts and Youtube. [20:30] a great youtube series for learning Plasma (the desktop in Kubuntu) ist this one: [20:30] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrsgB48Fr8Q&list=PLbKR0OXmf-fg-olEJLukx6ytKN2CkVDjZ [20:31] Is is about a slightly older version of Plasma, but most of what he shows is still current. [20:31] also: search for "destination linux" [20:31] https://destinationlinux.org/ [20:32] Got you. I will listen and learn... but... And please don't take this the wrong way... I have little time to invest too much in an OS. I have to be a user. This may dictate I stay with more of what I know, but.... Windows7 almost requires moving to Win 10 soon, and that is a change in itself! So I will have to choose. Looking for the most reasonable path, I guess. Many more will come this way who will not have my IT background, [20:32] and will not spend the time necessary to try-and-re-config. [20:32] Thank you for the links and info. I better get to it! [20:33] click on the following links. They are for other channels here on Telegram: [20:33] I fear, as soon as I switch, those that depend uppon me for support will switch too. I have to be an expert in so many things for work and friends and family, not sure if I really can add this one more thing! Argh! Still you are being VERY hellpful. Thank you. [20:35] https://t.me/joinchat/AkFUKkJ4bp8OOXz6AKlIAg [20:36] Missed something. Looking at video and scanning over the links. But don't see ... oh!@ There it is! Sorry. Impatient! [20:36] This might kick me outta here when I click. If so, I will be back! [20:37] @Jim Garner, I switched my familys generation of 50 to 70 years old people to Linux 2 years ago. No complaints. Then one got a Win10 laptop as a present from someone else. Now she's calling me all the time with Windows questions. [20:37] I SOOOOO know what you mean. [20:37] https://t.me/kdeneon [20:37] https://t.me/tuxdigital [20:38] The good thing about podcasts is that you can just listen to them while doing something else. So the time investment gets smaller. [20:38] I had an uncle, YEARS ago. Insisted I support him. Needed to be on Windows. I set up...prolly Ubuntu with a Vbox of windows inside.... He passed a year ago, but that machine worked for MANY years without calls from him screaming! [20:38] I can tell you that it is totally worth the investment. [20:39] @Jim Garner, Oh! So you already know Linux! [20:39] Thanx for all of the help Linuxophil. [20:39] Yes! [20:40] That was a while back. Worked at NASA as Sys Admin, so had to play with ALL OSes... now older. Please give me back my AmigaDos! [20:40] @Jim Garner, LOL! [20:40] What's your current distro of choice? [20:40] LM? [20:41] or is this just one station on your journey? [20:41] I had to go back to Windows for MANY reasons. Honestly, the development for a good GUI was just not there then. Users use. They cannot deal with typing. [20:41] Maybe you try Kubuntu 19.04 in a vm to see if the advantage you seek are there! [20:41] I am on Linux Mint, like I said. Pretty. Community support. Seems to stay in the Distro Watch pretty regular. [20:42] list of podcasts to search for: [20:42] Destination linux [20:42] this week in linux [20:42] Ubuntu podcast [20:42] I tested enough. I am going. I just know I have GIS mappings to do come Monday morning that pays the bills, so I have to be on a OS that I am not spending too much time learning, so I can make that buck! [20:42] going linux [20:43] @Jim Garner, I see. [20:43] Good luck! [20:43] late night linux [20:43] Choose linux [20:43] but LM must have some things turned off, or tweaked to where I couldn't get around into stuff easy enough... Might have to do with the "Modern" Panel they use. [20:44] @Jim Garner, Your problem sounds very specific. I would ask in the telegram channel of tuxdigital. [20:44] @Jim Garner, I have to admit that I had a lot of little problems like that with LM. [20:44] That is prolly the number one reason I started looking again. I will have to sleep in this bed for a while, so want to be fairly sure. [20:45] This convo has been VERy helpfulk to me. Thank you. I will attempt to test and find my way back here. Also will listen. [20:46] I WISH Feren was releasing Plasma DE already... It seems where I want to head. [20:46] Good luck! [20:46] But, whatever the flavor, I think community is important so that development does not fall away too quickly. [20:46] Thanx. [20:46] And report back! [20:47] we are very friendly here in KDE land! [20:47] 😉 [20:47] Morso than L< irc, I will tell you that! [20:48] user: How do I do/get/have/see this? … irc: Why would you want to do that? It is stupid. [20:48] I cannot believe how fast they run simple users away from this great OS. [20:48] *LM irc... I meant [20:49] @Jim Garner, Unfortunately you will find people like that everywhere. No matter the OS, no matter the communication channel. I usually just answer "not helpful". [20:49] @Jim Garner, Do you know about QGIS? [20:50] @Jim Garner, That was my impression as well! [20:50] With Windows 7 support (unless you pay extra) falling away at the end of this year, MANY will be looking for a new OS. … Yes Jorge. I have some skills..... Not sure they are Mad Skillz! [20:50] Please! How can I help you?! [20:51] My background is in IT and Information Systems, but I am old... I have forgotten so much! Lately been supporting a LOT og GSuite small companies.... Another area that is frowned upon in some Linux circles! [20:52] @Jim Garner, And with good reason(ing)! 😉 [20:52] I get paid for making sure the spreadsheets are linked to the pretty mapping pictures so managers can see what is going on. [20:53] but don't worry, there will always be the idealists and the pragmatists. [20:53] I just wanted to know if you knew about the open source GIS program QGIS, I recently saw it on Linux app stores and wondered how good of an alternative it is compared to something like ArcGIS since I know someone who would be interested (I don't really know anything about GIS myself) [20:54] In my many positions and hats, I have had to handle security in many different ways. For the most part I believe in Security through Obscurity. I am dropping that a bit nowadays as I have less to hide. [20:55] Jorge: It is my impression, and I feel good about what I have tested and seen, that QGIS is a better solution than ArcMap, through ESRI. [20:55] Now... keep in mind, it does depend on the work-type. GIS is a deep basket of stuff. [20:56] Thanks! I'll inform to the person interested [20:57] Linuxophil... By far,more valuable data has been lost due to local losses and corruptions, than any that went through Google Drive. Not even a comparison IMHO. That is based on my 35 years in the industry. [20:59] Jorge... I am unsure how to give you my contact info for the person. But I would be happy to share what I have found. This month I am moving EVERYTHING over from ArGIS to QGIS. From what I have seen, it will be faily simple, and I doubt I will look back. … The only setting for ESRI,is for those with deep pockets and huge connected environments, with very specific needs. [20:59] OK guys! Nice chatting with you. I have to get on with work now! [21:00] What a nice portion of time for me today! Thank you both for contributing and letting me contribute back... Sure does set the stage for a good OS experience! Thank you both! [21:00] Same here. Bye [21:01] Jorge..... Have him text me his contact info to 304-933-9858. Mention Linux and QGIS so I remember. I will respond. [21:01] ...if you like. [21:02] @Jim Garner, You can just tell me on Telegram (private conversation if you want), the other person does not speak English, he used to work as a surveyor [21:02] Ah! OK... Lemme look at that. Standby. [21:02] And no foreign number please, that'll be expensive from Spain! [21:03] Oouch! Yes. [21:03] Sent a PM. Hope I did anyway! [21:03] Ok, thanks! [21:03] pass him that email and we can do a Meet online. [21:04] well... um... I don't speak Spanish, so that wont work. Email I guess! [21:05] I'll act as a middleman if he has any question, for the moment you can just share about your experience, I'm sure he'll find it valuable [21:05] Do I just shut the window?! Hilarious! [21:06] Must I mark myself as AWAY?! [21:58] buonasera [22:10] !list [22:10] santino: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ».