[02:17] <pthomas> hello, I have a strange issue with an r8712u wifi adapter
[02:17] <pthomas> I was testing out suspend, and didn't come out of suspend correctly, I can deal with that at some point
[02:18] <pthomas> the strange thing is that it hasn't worked since even with multiple full power cycles
[02:18] <pthomas> any thought on persistant files from network manager? or somewhere else? It's hard to believe the HW is dead now?
[02:19] <pthomas> kubuntu 19.04
[02:26] <pthomas> ok, crazy I booted to a live usb stick and everything is working again
[02:27] <pthomas> and then back to the installed kubuntu and it's fine
[02:42] <denza242> how do I lock a package ffrom updating
[02:42] <denza242> I want to make sure firefox doesn't update until mozilla fixes their mess with the addons cert
[02:44] <Unit193> apt-mark hold $pkg
[02:44] <Unit193> (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973)
[02:45] <Unit193> denza242: A workaround is to set xpinstall.signatures.required=false
[02:46] <denza242> will do
[02:47] <Unit193> Just remember to reset that once the bug is fixed.
[02:53] <dax> i'm not sure that holding the package version is going to help in any way whatsoever with this issue
[02:53] <Unit193> If you downgrade far enough, but I seriously wouldn't recommend that.
[02:54] <dax> right, i was assuming nobody does anything that silly
[02:54] <dax> ubuntu still does major updates to firefox in SRUs right?
[02:54] <Unit193> So far.
[04:42] <Greenfrog> anyone here?
 Seems like Mozilla renewed the certificate and pushed changes through Normandy (a settings update mechanism), extensions should work now for most users. Can anyone confirm?
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8FfqK4r1/file_15130.jpg Maybe this explains my Problem good enough...
[15:17] <BluesKaj> RoyalArgus, that doesn't really expalain what you're trying to do
 That is my Problem that I tried to explain Yesterday
 That after I installed the Nvidia drivers, the scaling is a complete mess
 But in system settings the Resolution is correct, the scaling is Set to 1 and Applications Like Nvidia Settings and Firefox scale correctly
[15:23] <BluesKaj> right click on the desktop, choose configure desktop then in positioning choose a scale that works for your monitor
 Im sorry, but I cant find the setting (maybe because the Windows is too big) is there any other way to Set it correctly. Or do you know, why this happens?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> RoyalArgus, does the context menu not open when you right click on the desktop?
 Yes it does
[15:35] <BluesKaj> the choose "configure desktop"
[15:35] <BluesKaj> then
 I think we talk about different things, I dont have issues with the bg wallpaper, but with the scaling of the window elements (Task Bar, System Settings, Konsole)
 Jan, try System Settings -> Fonts: Force DPI and set to 96.  Log out and log back in and everything should be sized correctly.
 Okay, let me try
[15:57] <BluesKaj> RoyalArgus you can adjust the height of the panel by click on the 3 dashes at the right hand end of the panel, then choose height and drag the panel up or down. if scaling is set to 1, then I'm unsure what the problem is since your browser scales correctly
 @DarinMiller, Could you please explain, why this happens? @DarinMiller
 The NVidia driver seems to handle dpi slightly different than the Nouvea driver.  It's been that way for the 12 years I have used Linux.
[16:07] <BluesKaj> RoyalArgus, is this a pc or laptop?
 Jan, I use the force dpi for all my screens. Resolutions range from 1080p to hdpi 13" (3000x1800).  Adjust the dpi to suite your preference.
 On NVidia machines, I also change the title bar button sizes to small or tiny.
[16:24] <BluesKaj> RoyalArgus  also you can adjust scaling in system settings>system monitors>displays>scale display
 @BluesKaj, A Desktop with an GTX 980
[16:36] <BluesKaj> RoyalArgus, check my post above
 @BluesKaj> RoyalArgus  also you can adjust scaling in system settings>system monitors>displays, Yes I know, but it's Set to 1
[16:44] <BluesKaj> RoyalArgus. ok well I guess the dpi route is one way to try to fix it
 @DarinMiller, Thank you so much @DarinMiller my Desktop finally Looks gorgeus again. So you have a Tip, how to shrink the Buttons and scroll Bars?
 Sys settings -> Application Style ->  Window Decs -> Click on the button in the middle of the selected theme.
 Not very intuitive unless you know that the option exists... The KDE devs play hide-n-seek with this option regularly....
[16:55] <BluesKaj> DarinMiller, also annoying  that system settings places some configurable settings under headings that seem illogical ...at least to me
 Agreed, The differences between Workplace Theme, App Style, Desktop Behavior, Win Management are not super intuitive to new and even old users.  I have to menu dive occasionaly to find options that I "set and forget".  That said, I do not have any good recommendation for better organization.  The search bar does a good job with find obscure stuff though...
[17:50] <aktive> hey guysn
[17:50] <aktive> my taskbar is stuck
[18:07] <Capone> what VM software is recommended? virtualbox, vmware, virt manager, kvm?
[18:08] <Capone> I'd appreciate a reccomendation based on expereience of some of those examples
[18:08] <Capone> thanks
[18:13] <OerHeks> for linux vm's, use kvm
[18:16] <Dragnslcr> I like the libvirt tools for managing kvm virtual machines
[18:17] <Dragnslcr> If you don't need a full VM, also look at using LXC
[18:27] <user|56548> looking for firefox news
[19:29] <zeddock> Is this a place where I can get Kubuntu support?
[19:49] <zeddock> I am considering switching from Linux Mint to Kubuntu for my work OS. I wanted to come here to see what kind of support I can expect. Anyone have opinion on that?  Thanx!  PS Coming from Windows7.
 I have an opinion! And a very strong one at that! 😉
 ...since I share your journey. Came also from Windows7.
 Go with Kubuntu, it is a great choice from so many angles!
 One being that it feel very similar to Win7 out of the box.
 For support this is a good place.
 also: Telegram. The channeld for Kubuntu, Destination Linux and Tuxdigital.
 ...and for KDE Neon. Since Base and DE are the same as in Kubuntu.
[20:03] <zeddock> Linuxophil thank you. I absolutely see the familiarity, and I also like the stability.  2 things I could not get going well on LM was 1. Browser Profile indicators on the panel icons, and Chrome Remote Desktop.  On the LIVE version of Kubuntu GRD worked. Have not tried to get profiles.
[20:04] <zeddock> Tried LIVE KDE Neon, but it seemed much more unstable and limited in software installation GUI...   Like, tried to install QGIS, and it did not show up!
[20:04] <zeddock> I am also looking at Feren, due to rolling updates.
[20:06] <zeddock> How good is support here? Please?  And how would you compare Kubuntu to LM?  I ask because although not perfect, LM is close to what I need.  Some of this is about getting the OS to work like I am used to, and THAT is likely a mistake, since coming from Windows familiarity.
[20:07] <zeddock> I like linux better BUT, I will need to maintain my Windows support to others... and do some work in a Vbox or Paperspace cloud Windows OS.
[20:08] <zeddock> Please tell me what you mean by: "also: Telegram. The channeld for Kubuntu, Destination Linux and Tuxdigital."  Are these places on an IRC?
 Not on an IRC, Telegram is a messenger which is very popular among Linux folk.
 Some channels are bridged between IRC and Telegram. Like this one. I am writing on IRC right now.
 Sorry. I am writing on Telegram right now.
[20:10] <zeddock> IrcsomeBot: Thank you. I went to the Kubuntu support page, (comercial) for in case I would really need help while in middle of work issues.  Phone number is not in service for USA.  So, I am left very concerned. What do you think?
 I'm still having some weird issues in one of my systems with Discover after upgrading Kubuntu to Disco, I'll describe the problem to see if someone can help me because I'm out of ideas: … 1. When I opened Discover after the Disco upgrade it would not let me upgrade apps and the "Sources" section show two "(undefined)" entries. … 2. After a bit of tinkering I figured out it could be something to do with PackageKit, and
[20:11] <zeddock> Got you on the messenger. Will look for that!
 Is LM Linux Mint?
[20:12] <zeddock> Yes!  Sorry about that. New to IRC too!
[20:12] <zeddock> LM = Linux Mint
 @zeddock, Just try it out and stick with what works best. I find Kubuntu 18.04 very stable. But parts like Discover (one of the graphical package managers) are very much a work in progress. So if you want to find out if Plasma (the Desktop of Kubuntu) works well for you, try Kubuntu 19.04!
 @jorgetech_spacebiker, I am sorry, I have no idea. Try Tuxdigital, maybe.
 @Linuxophil, What do you mean with Tuxdigital?
[20:16] <zeddock> OK Will. I installed telegram already while here... Isn't Linux wonderful!!!??  Is there a way to reach you from there, or woudl you not like that?
[20:17] <zeddock> Well, thank you for the information..
 you are very welcome to contact me. My knowledge is limited, but I enjoy sharing what I know and learning in the process!
 @jorgetech_spacebiker, https://t.me/tuxdigital
[20:18] <zeddock> oh wow!  I see this in the Telegram! app
 He is a KDE wizard!
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/2Qu33LLF/file_15133.mp4
 Welcome to the bright side!
[20:19] <zeddock> Hehehehe. Thanx.  leaving kwiirc for Telegram now
 @Linuxophil, I'll ask here, thanks!
 @jorgetech_spacebiker, My pleasure!
 The problem here is fragmentation.
 Let me give you some links for general Linux infos.
 do you have a podcatcher?
 @Jim Garner, Yes. That can happen on any OS. And on linux you will always find a way to what you want.
 @Jim Garner, Do you use a smartphone?
 Android or ios?
 download "antennapod" from the play store.
 there you will be able to download podcasts.
 this is how I learn linux. Podcasts and Youtube.
 a great youtube series for learning Plasma (the desktop in Kubuntu) ist this one:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrsgB48Fr8Q&list=PLbKR0OXmf-fg-olEJLukx6ytKN2CkVDjZ
 Is is about a slightly older version of Plasma, but most of what he shows is still current.
 also: search for "destination linux"
 https://destinationlinux.org/
 click on the following links. They are for other channels here on Telegram:
 https://t.me/joinchat/AkFUKkJ4bp8OOXz6AKlIAg
 @Jim Garner, I switched my familys generation of 50 to 70 years old people to Linux 2 years ago. No complaints. Then one got a Win10 laptop as a present from someone else. Now she's calling me all the time with Windows questions.
 https://t.me/kdeneon
 https://t.me/tuxdigital
 The good thing about podcasts is that you can just listen to them while doing something else. So the time investment gets smaller.
 I can tell you that it is totally worth the investment.
 @Jim Garner, Oh! So you already know Linux!
 @Jim Garner, LOL!
 What's your current distro of choice?
 LM?
 or is this just one station on your journey?
 Maybe you try Kubuntu 19.04 in a vm to see if the advantage you seek are there!
 list of podcasts to search for:
 Destination linux
 this week in linux
 Ubuntu podcast
 going linux
 @Jim Garner, I see.
 Good luck!
 late night linux
 Choose linux
 @Jim Garner, Your problem sounds very specific. I would ask in the telegram channel of tuxdigital.
 @Jim Garner, I have to admit that I had a lot of little problems like that with LM.
 Good luck!
 And report back!
 we are very friendly here in KDE land!
 😉
 @Jim Garner, Unfortunately you will find people like that everywhere. No matter the OS, no matter the communication channel. I usually just answer "not helpful".
 @Jim Garner, Do you know about QGIS?
 @Jim Garner, That was my impression as well!
 @Jim Garner, And with good reason(ing)! 😉
 but don't worry, there will always be the idealists and the pragmatists.
 I just wanted to know if you knew about the open source GIS program QGIS, I recently saw it on Linux app stores and wondered how good of an alternative it is compared to something like ArcGIS since I know someone who would be interested (I don't really know anything about GIS myself)
 Thanks! I'll inform to the person interested
 OK guys! Nice chatting with you. I have to get on with work now!
 @Jim Garner, You can just tell me on Telegram (private conversation if you want), the other person does not speak English, he used to work as a surveyor
 And no foreign number please, that'll be expensive from Spain!
 Ok, thanks!
 I'll act as a middleman if he has any question, for the moment you can just share about your experience, I'm sure he'll find it valuable
[21:58] <santino> buonasera
[22:10] <santino> !list