[00:23] <^Tranquil^> where is gogs and magogs wall ?
[00:23] <OerHeks> !alis
[00:45] <White_Lion22> Hello everyone.
[01:10] <analogical> how do I disable the lock screen?
[01:10] <analogical> using ubuntu 19.04
[01:22] <rwp> Does Ubuntu have something similar to Debian's https://snapshot.debian.org/ for Ubuntu packages?  Asking for a friend.
[01:25] <stoned> doing 18.04 to 19.04 upgrade today
[01:25] <stoned> let's see how it goes
[01:25] <stoned> let's hope nothing blows up!
[01:26] <tomreyn> rwp: not that i know of, i thinkt here's only http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[01:27] <rwp> tomreyn, That is still pretty useful.  I will pass that along and see if it helps.
[01:42] <refhack> hi world
[01:43] <refhack> im human
[01:45] <slingamn> what's the status of ubuntu firefox with respect to certmageddon? https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/05/04/update-regarding-add-ons-in-firefox/
[01:45] <fik346> Hello
[01:45] <tomreyn> slingamn: ubuntu is affected, too.
[01:46] <slingamn> thanks. is it known whether the "studies" fix is effective for the ubuntu package? is there an ubuntu bug for shipping the hotfix as a package update?
[01:47] <fik346> why are you using ubuntu?
[01:48] <fik346> exit
[01:49] <guiverc> fik346, this is a Ubuntu Support room; not for general Ubuntu discussion (use #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss)
[01:49] <tomreyn> slingamn: i would not know whether the 'studies' approach works, but i assume it will (if enabled).
[01:49] <slingamn> https://twitter.com/mozamo/status/1017061210112442369 just saw this tweet
[01:50] <slingamn> although, the version number there is 62.x, and bionic ships 66.x
[01:50] <tomreyn> it will probably take some days for ubuntu to release a new firefox version, and it'll only happen if it fixes serious bugs which can't be fixed in better ways, i assume.
[01:51] <tomreyn> slingamn: the tweet you linked is also from july last year
[01:51] <slingamn> oh man, good catch
[01:59] <tomreyn> slingamn: there is tracking bug 1827727
[02:00] <slingamn> nice, thanks
[02:03] <slingamn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1827727/comments/1 this worked for me
[02:05] <tomreyn> for me as well, but it's not easy to trust some storage.googleapis.com download just because its URL was posted somewhere under the mozilla.net domain
[02:16] <slingamn> it's an interesting question whether or not that's basically what the studies system is doing
[02:16] <slingamn> the concern is that going through this flow manually is stripping off some layer of code signing
[02:18] <slingamn> i would *assume* that the .xpi is itself signed, i think that's the common practice when using a CDN to distribute code
[02:18] <slingamn> but that's just an assumption
[02:19] <slingamn> $ sha256sum hotfix-update-xpi-intermediate@mozilla.com-1.0.2-signed.xpi
[02:19] <slingamn> b25031ac78020aad3be1fb8144cacbcf4a9b2d866585f066a577c10b835cd800  hotfix-update-xpi-intermediate@mozilla.com-1.0.2-signed.xpi
[02:39] <Gerowen> Observation, Ubuntu 18.04 places data in swap even when there's plenty of RAM left over.  Normal?
[02:46] <guiverc> Gerowen, possibly look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq  (section 8 or swappiness of linux kernel)
[02:49] <Gerowen> guiverc: Ok, so since it's a server install, it's probably some process that has sat idle for a long time that just got moved into the swap file.  I wasn't aware of the "swappiness" parameter, I always assumed the usage of swap was a last resort when RAM got full.  Thanks, :-)
[02:49] <guiverc> :)
[02:59] <slingamn> in my experience, 1 is a pretty good value for vm.swappiness
[03:01] <anil_> hi
[03:18] <ericP> if i installed xfce but when i logged back in i didn't have an option to use that WM (ended up in the default WM, whatever it's called)
[03:18] <ericP> any advice for how i can switch?
[03:21] <ericP> ahh, found the little gear thing that allowed me to switch
[03:21] <ericP> strange, everything is reallly tiny in xfce -- i guess my display just has too many pixels
[04:15] <tatertotz> 1
[04:29] <bryanroderyck> hello ubuntu , im having a bug on ubuntu 16.o4 when installing onion share with python 3.5  everytime i install python it bug .is there something can be done please?
[04:29] <bryanroderyck> my package system for update is broken
[04:31] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: Show the channel - in a pastebin - the outputs of terminal commands ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' so we see the error in context.
[04:33] <bryanroderyck> https://pastebin.com/RU0PxH73
[04:34] <bryanroderyck> everytime i install python 3 it bug .
[04:35] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: What results ' sudo apt install python3-distutils ' ?
[04:36] <gofio> is it normal that I'm getting an installation message from the update center or whatever the name in english every single day the same no matter I do accept it to be installed? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R2KtwQTfD9/ in ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS bionic beaver
[04:36] <gofio> the paste is from one of the six-seven packages listed always the same
[04:37] <gofio> "6 This package does not include the modules themselves: these can be found in the libgl1-mesa-dri package." wtf
[04:38] <bryanroderyck> https://pastebin.com/QRp6J3M2
[04:40] <Bashing-om> !info python3-lib2to3 xenial
[04:42] <devxarief> Hello everyone , please help see my err log https://termbin.com/2oj4
[04:45] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: Humm - Our bot in error ^^ / What shows ' apt policy python3-distutils python3-lib2to3 ' ?
[04:46] <Bashing-om> !info python3-lib2to3 bionic
[04:48] <bryanroderyck> https://pastebin.com/hAhUrQr8
[04:50] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: PPAs are not supported as they are codes from outside our community. Seek assistance from the PPA maintainer,
[04:51] <Bashing-om> !PPA | br
[04:52] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: "/ppa.launchpad.net/jonathonf" Now if you want to proceed we will need to remove this PPA from your system as we can not support it.
[04:54] <bryanroderyck> i ahve remove the ppa from software centre
[04:55] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: ppa-purge ?
[04:55] <Bashing-om> !ppa-purge | bryanroderyck
[04:56] <tokenapple> hi everyone-could someone please tell me if there is a difference between updating your os from the software center and doing it on the terminal with sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y
[04:57] <tokenapple> or with just apt (not apt-get)
[04:57] <stoned> tokenapple: I don't think so.
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | tokenapple
[04:58] <Bashing-om> tokenapple: In terminal you get to see all the action :)
[04:59] <tokenapple> thats y i prefer doing it there-watching for errors or missing dependencies which has happened to me with random git tar.gz
[04:59] <bryanroderyck> sorry Bashing-om im newbie i have tried your command doesnt work yet
[04:59] <gofio> I get update messages from the very same updates have done the day before
[05:00] <gofio> have been done
[05:00] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: We were all now at one tine .. no sin there . Now what command did you run and what is the result ( in a pstebin ).
[05:00] <bryanroderyck> https://pastebin.com/MJVPXDYM
[05:01] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: pastebin.com/MJVPXDYM
[05:03] <Bashing-om>  tells us that a PPA is at play here , and the advise is if you want to keep that PPA to seek assistance from the PPA maintainer . If you want help here we must remove that PPA (http://ppa.launchpad.net/jonathonf/).
[05:03] <bryanroderyck> i dont know how to remove the ppa ..please help me
[05:04] <bryanroderyck> i have tried but it doesnt work
[05:08] <tokenapple> bryanroderyck: here bud https://itsfoss.com/how-to-remove-or-delete-ppas-quick-tip/
[05:08] <tokenapple> try the gui if unsure
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> devxarief: best to elaborate your full question togheter with details and your paste
[05:10] <EriC^^> !ppa-purge | bryanroderyck
[05:11] <bryanroderyck> im on the giu method wait i try
[05:12] <devxarief> lotuspsychje: mylaptop screen will dark after booting . need 2-3 times force shutdown and start again until login screen out
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> !details | devxarief
[05:13] <devxarief> sorry for my bad english
[05:15] <gofio> ever heard of this issue EriC^^ https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-bionic.git/commit/drivers/bluetooth/btusb.c?id=c91729972ac67983a37270d0856f1ee93af54913 :?
[05:15] <bryanroderyck> but from the software centre gui the ppa that need to be remove are uncheck
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> !pm | devxarief
[05:17] <devxarief> Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information, can u advise what command useful for all the output
[05:17] <devxarief> i'm use journalctl -b to see the error /warning
[05:18] <EriC^^> gofio: can't say i have
[05:19] <gofio> thanks EriC^^
[05:19] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: That "software centre gui" only disables the updates - does not effect what is installed. PPA=purge to revert the target package to what ubuntu supports.
[05:21] <gofio> I'm having it right now Eric^^ coming out of the blue with an lst version when never before had it with an eol version, how about that
[05:21] <bryanroderyck> https://pastebin.com/nzgeFFm4
[05:22] <EriC^^> gofio: yeah some kernel updates can do that, try your older kernel using grub
[05:23] <EriC^^> bryanroderyck: what ppa are you trying to remove here?
[05:24] <EriC^^> oh i see nevermind
[05:24] <gofio> k, thanks EriC^^ will try that once I switch hard drives again. So far I'm running without the bluetooth even though it had worked in the past, some issue too with the "after suspend" thing or whatever is called but there are many entries with that issue as well. Seems like is not that of a big deal to fix but not for dummies newcomers like myself
[05:26] <bryanroderyck> http://ppa.launchpad.net/jonathonf/python-3.6/ubuntu xenial
[05:26] <EriC^^> bryanroderyck: is it still available, try "sudo ppa-purge [ppa:]jonathonf/python-3.6"
[05:28] <bryanroderyck> yes it remove it
[05:43] <bryanroderyck> hello , after doing the ppa purge im still cant do upgrade   https://pastebin.com/fyckwvac
[05:50] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: Show us ' cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list ; tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ' to make sure the offending PPA no longer exists. Then we see what to do about "Depends: python3-distutils but it is not installable".
[05:52] <Moto420> You could try uninstalling onionshare? or just do sudo apt -f install
[05:53] <refhack> test
[05:57] <famousamos> hi
[06:03] <bryanroderyck> https://pastebin.com/Y9cBsRVj
[06:03] <dsynapse> hey
[06:03] <gofio> gonna give it a try while I can now EriC^^
[06:04] <dsynapse> having some weird kvm issues if someone has any tips...  i'm on threadripper x399 w/pcie passthrough...it seems to work well, but suddenly if i power off the system then power it on, it locks my system up.
[06:04] <bryanroderyck> the ppa is still in the list
[06:08] <bryanroderyck> Bashing-om
[06:08] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: That is a backup of what was removed and will not be parsed, and "-n/etc/apt/sources.list" try again with a space after '-n'.
[06:12] <bryanroderyck> remove the +1 ";tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list"
[06:13] <nano> hello i join.
[06:13] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: We have seen that output .. and do not need to see it again :)
[06:13] <bryanroderyck> what is the next step :)
[06:15] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: Now show us ' cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list ' copy and paste for best results . note the spaces.
[06:15] <bryanroderyck> copyb paste doesnt work on IRC
[06:16] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: c/p works in my client (irssi) :)
[06:17] <bryanroderyck> im on hexchat..weird
[06:18] <bryanroderyck> https://pastebin.com/mm61KR9f
[06:19] <oopuguin> I'm on shout(Web client) on znc
[06:20] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: Looks good , now what results ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt -f install ' ?
[06:23] <bryanroderyck> https://pastebin.com/FQnqMf2V
[06:23] <fawaz> hello all
[06:25] <bryanroderyck>  the bug was python 3 utils
[06:26] <gofio> I chose the linux 4.13.0-21-generic EriC^^ and didn't even boot. Not the recovery mode one. So I'll have to leave it for later. I took screen shot though via smartphone picture
[06:29] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: Looking good ' now what results ' sudo apt full-upgrade ' ?
[06:31] <rudy--> https://pastebin.com/sBQV2Yxx
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> rudy--: do what apt says
[06:33] <rudy--> Bashing-om
[06:34] <Bashing-om> rudy--: YUp .. ' sudo apt autoremove' :)
[06:35] <silv3r_m00n> why am i seeing 2 toolboxes in gimp ? https://ibb.co/DbwWjNS
[06:35] <zhc002> whats this? first time use it
[06:35] <silv3r_m00n> zhc002: me ?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> !support | zhc002
[06:37] <rudy--> https://pastebin.com/4K95ALwh  but it remove all python and flask that im using
[06:40] <Bashing-om> rudy--: "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" autoremove removed old stuff, Try your apps and see that they still work :)
[06:45] <rudy--> yes it ok ..thanks Bashing-om
[06:45] <rudy--> i have learn much today ..linux is very resourceful
[06:47] <Bashing-om> rudy--: :) Great .. Glad things have worked out .. If you want that app that we ppa-purged, contact the PPA administrator and advise that there is an issue.
[06:52] <rudy--> i think i cant use onion share ..but im glad my system is clean from bug
[06:55] <Bashing-om> rudy--: Not a bug .. just a dependency issue with an installed PPA. Not something that "ubuntu" can affect.
[06:56] <rudy--> ohh good ..but it did stop my update
[06:57] <Bashing-om> rudy--: Yeah - not ubuntu however .. was the fault of the PPA. You are are that onionshare is in our software repository ?
[06:58] <Bashing-om> !info onionshare xenial | rudy--
[06:58] <rudy--> where do you learn all that knowdledge
[06:59] <Bashing-om> rudy--: knowledge gained a bit here and a bit there - over a long period of time . And lots of guidance from those who have gone before me !
[07:00] <rudy--> where are you from?
[07:01] <superuser> hello
[07:01] <superuser> anyone is here?
[07:02] <superuser> welcome
[07:02] <guiverc2> superuser, nah.  However if you ask a Ubuntu Support question, you may find answer (try & keep to a single line, and be patient waiting for a response, people will when they can)
[07:02] <superuser> okey
[07:03] <Bashing-om> rudy--: chatter is in ubuntu-discuss // Let's leave this channel open for support :)
[07:04] <rudy--> yes ..thanks
[07:05] <Bashing-om> rudy--: Be happy to see you in the #ubuntu-discuss channel.
[07:42] <LinuxGuy2020> Hello I recently learned how to use a program called xdotool to create keyboard macro scripts. I can trigger those by simply setting keyboard shortcuts such as ctrl+F1 for example. I just went and bought a USB numberpad that I want to try and get recognized as additional function keys or something so I can trigger my xdotool macros from the keypad alone. How can I do this easily?
[07:43] <R0N1Z> lol
[07:43] <R0N1Z> test
[07:43] <R0N1Z> aku ada papji udah Quenqueror
[07:44] <tomreyn> R0N1Z: This ubuntu support chat is English only, i'm afraid.
[07:44] <EriC^^> LinuxGuy2020: use the dm's keyboard shortcuts to bind them to commands/scripts
[07:44] <R0N1Z> oh
[07:44] <EriC^^> *de's
[07:44] <stOneskull> ukuu isn't free anymore and i'm poor :(
[07:44] <R0N1Z> aku indonesia
[07:44] <R0N1Z> -_,
[07:44] <tomreyn> !id | R0N1Z
[07:44] <R0N1Z> who have Whatsapp
[07:44] <stOneskull> all i want to do is downgrade my kernel
[07:45] <EriC^^> LinuxGuy2020: or use something like xbindkeys, although xbindkeys is said to be deprecated last i heard
[07:45] <tomreyn> stOneskull: you do not need additional software to do so
[07:45] <R0N1Z> lol
[07:46] <stOneskull> i think it'd be easier with gnome but kde doesn't seem to have tools.. i'm having trouble downloading the headers file now..
[07:46] <R0N1Z> oh
[07:46] <tomreyn> stOneskull: you have apt, this should be all you need if you want to install a supported kernel version
[07:46] <stOneskull> i need to be on 4.8 because a bug with baytrail happened from 4.9
[07:46] <LinuxGuy2020> EriC^^:  I did use the DE keyboard shortcut to trigger them and they work fine. But I want to set the USB numpad as the shortcut but I get an error saying it cant be done because then that keyboard key would be unusable. I think I need a simple way to get the numpad keyboard to be recognized as F13, F14 etc so that I wont get an error that they are already used.
[07:47] <stOneskull> tomreyn: cool
[07:47] <tomreyn> stOneskull: which ubuntu version do you run there?
[07:47] <stOneskull> 19.04
[07:47] <R0N1Z> Aku ada PUBG udah quenquerof
[07:47] <tomreyn> !ot | R0N1Z
[07:47] <EriC^^> LinuxGuy2020: aren't the keys different? like Numpad_9 instead of just 9
[07:48] <stOneskull> tomreyn: should i know the exact filenames of the image and headers files?
[07:48] <R0N1Z> sss
[07:48] <R0N1Z> sss
[07:48] <R0N1Z> s
[07:48] <R0N1Z> s
[07:48] <R0N1Z> s
[07:48] <EriC^^> LinuxGuy2020: if you use "xev" it should show different key codes for 7 vs the numpad 7, at least it does for me on my laptop
[07:48] <LinuxGuy2020>  EriC^^: No. It doesnt appear so. Also I would lose the ability to use my main keyboard numpad.
[07:49] <LinuxGuy2020>  EriC^^:I need the keys to be recognized as something else like F13 etc'
[07:49] <EriC^^> LinuxGuy2020: oh, well seems above my paygrade
[07:49] <LinuxGuy2020> :)
[07:49] <EriC^^> i think you'd need some custom stuff, or maybe somebody has written something or some guide on how to do it
[07:50] <tomreyn> stOneskull: 19.04 comes with linux-image-generic 5.0.0.13.14 as the lowest available kernel version. there is no supported way of installing a lower kernel version on this ubuntu release.
[07:50] <stOneskull> tomreyn: thanks for letting me know
[07:50] <EriC^^> LinuxGuy2020: this is basically like having 2 keyboards hooked to a pc, and each has a different language layout
[07:51] <EriC^^> you want same key inputs the os sees to be interpretted differently depending on the hardware source of the 'keycode'
[07:51] <stOneskull> peace y'all
[07:51] <tomreyn> stOneskull: shall we have a look at the original issue? "a bug with baytrail happened from 4.9"?
[07:51] <Firman> ho
[07:53] <tomreyn> stOneskull: while mainline kernels and this script aren't usually supported here, and downgrading your kernel is neither, generally, if you need to test mainline kernels, a much better alternative to ukuu (in my opinion) is https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#wget_kernel_mainlinesh (not my script, so i'm not recommending my own work there ;-) )
[07:55] <tomreyn> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tomreyn/scripts/master/wget_kernel_mainline.sh is the direct download location
[08:03] <stOneskull> tomreyn: thank you.. i thought i had exited but i was still in the system tray..
[08:05] <stOneskull> it's a long story with the bug but i know that i had to downgrade with linux mint to avoid the bug.. now i'm on kubuntu.. same issue.. the other alternative is to change intel_idle.max_state=1 in the bootup but now i'm not using grub i'm using refind.. fun and games
[08:07] <stOneskull> i think it's something with debian as debian distros would freeze too.. but solus and arch distros don't
[08:08] <stOneskull> i'll save your link for further use, thank you
[08:10] <stOneskull> i really, really love kubuntu and would recommend it to anyone (without baytrail computers)
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> stOneskull: for discussions, come join in #ubuntu-discuss please
[08:10] <tomreyn> stOneskull: what IS "the bug"?
[08:11] <stOneskull> random freezing of the whole computer that has to be hard reset
[08:11] <tomreyn> this? https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109051
[08:11] <stOneskull> yeah that's the one
[08:12] <stOneskull> i found that using kernel 4.8.17 avoids it
[08:12] <stOneskull> at least in linux mint
[08:14] <tomreyn> stOneskull: baytrail is really a sad platform. you could try https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109051#c983 - using an outdated kernel which lacks security patches is, however, not a good idea.
[08:15] <stOneskull> i wanna put that cstate setting in the bootup using refind.. refind is pretty new to me
[08:15] <stOneskull> i could put it in the grub.efi i guess and boot that way
[08:16] <stOneskull> i only use refind to help with booting solus really
[08:17] <stOneskull> oh and haiku which is a bit messy in beta
[08:17] <stOneskull> but anyway.. the journey continues.. cheers
[08:21] <tomreyn> stOneskull: my (limited) understanding is that setting "intel_idle.max_cstate=1" will have a much more relevant energy saving impact than only turning off C6N and C6S states.
[08:21] <tomreyn> ...as this script i pointed you to does
[08:22] <darutoko> hi, I plan to move from win7 to ubuntu and wonder if it is safe to keep NTFS on secondary drive or it will be messed up eventually?
[08:23] <tomreyn> darutoko: it's safe to keep it as long as you have a windows installation and can boot into it.
[08:24] <darutoko> tomreyn, no, I do not plan to keep windows at all
[08:24] <tomreyn> (can be in a VM running below ubuntu if you grant it direct access to this storage)
[08:25] <tomreyn> then i would not recommend to keep using ntfs
[08:26] <darutoko> is it possible to set up real drive in VirtualBox as a virtual drive?
[08:26] <tomreyn> ubuntu has both the in-kernel read-only ntfs driver and the userspace (read-write) ntfs-3g driver. the latter is the more complete implementation which also comes with ntfsfix, which does parts of what chkdsk does on windows. it's not feature complete, though.
[08:27] <tomreyn> both full raw storages and partitions, yes. see their user manual under advanced configurations
[08:28] <darutoko> and this will keep my drive safe then?
[08:30] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what this refers to. accessing a physical storage or partition from a virtualbox VM should not corrupt the data stored on it. but you'd obviously need to ensure you don't access (mount writable) this file system from both ubuntu and the VM at the same time.
[08:32] <tomreyn> darutoko: if you're planning to migraqte from windows to ubuntu, then what's the purpose of keeping the ntfs file system?
[08:32] <darutoko> tomreyn, to keep all data
[08:32] <tomreyn> you could also keep all the data o0n a.. say.. ext4 file system?
[08:32] <tomreyn> *on
[08:33] <tomreyn> that's the default file system ubuntu uses, it's fully supported by ubuntu, it supports full and extended ACLs
[08:33] <darutoko> but it NTFS and if I format it - U wll loose data
[08:34] <darutoko> *U=I
[08:35] <tomreyn> well you could either replace it, then restore your backups, or you could reduce the size of the ntfs to the smalles possible size and create an ext4 file system next to it, then gradually move the data, shrink the ntfs, and grow the ext4 file system.
[08:36] <darutoko> yea, I think I would have to do some thing like that :(
[08:36] <darutoko> thank you for your help
[08:38] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[09:03] <raver> Hi, yesterday someone told here, that smbfs is preferred over cifs, but when I change my fstab device type from cifs to smbfs i got an error message that the device type is unknown, so is cifs the way to go?
[09:03] <raver> ...for mounting samba shares
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> !samba | raver can this help?
[09:07] <raver> not really. everything runs fine when I set cifs as device type, but now I'm confused as yesterday was told that smbfs is the preferred way...
[09:12] <tomreyn> raver: this looks like a good summary of cifs vs smb to me: https://www.varonis.com/blog/cifs-vs-smb/
[09:12] <tatertotz> raver so it was working fine so you came here to get advice on how to fix something that was previously working?
[09:17] <raver> yes I just reverted :)
[09:17] <tatertotz> was that so hard
[09:17] <tatertotz> take care
[09:20] <raver> :)
[09:24] <raver> Thanks, I talked to a friend of mine (LPIC 3) who told me that smb (fs) was first developed by IBM in Coorporation with Microsoft. Samba on Linux was then reverse enginereed. and turned out to be very reliable, so they called their implementation 'Common Internet File System'. and so cifs is the successor of smbfs. please Correct me if I'm wrong.  Have a nice Weekend @all :)
[09:24] <LinuxGuy2020> I just bought a USB numberpad and I want the system to recognize the keys as additional function keys so that I can use them for keyboard shortcuts without disrupting my main keyboards built in numberpad. Is there a simple way?
[09:28] <raver> tatertotz‎, and this article let me get confused as it states cifs is not the way to go, but there is no device type smbfs in ubuntu
[09:43] <soon> Could someone with an Ubuntu 19.04 installation confirm for me, that Gnote fails to run?
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> soon: did you try launching it from terminal?
[09:45] <soon> yes: error while loading shared libraries: libgiomm-2.4.so.1
[09:45] <tomreyn> raver: there's also no 'cifs' device type, those are file systems
[09:47] <tomreyn> raver: if you want to use the SMB protocol nowadays, you want to use SMB 3, which is implemented in smbfs/smbmount only, not cifs.
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> soon: just tested it on 18.04 here, and works nicely
[09:49] <raver> tomreyn‎, thanks for sheding light :)
[09:49] <soon> lotuspsychje: Hmm ... I'm starting to think my disk drive is failing ... this isn't the only weird thing thats going on here .. 😥️
[09:50] <tomreyn> raver: i also had to read up on this, keep mixing up the two and can never remember the details.
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> soon: you dont have external ppa's installed that could interfere?
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> !info gnote disco
[09:51] <soon> nope - fresh installation.
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> soon: on 18.04 it installed: libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 libgtkspell3-3-0 along with gnote
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> soon: could you sudo apt pure gnote, reinstall again and pastebin us the output please?
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> *purge
[09:53] <soon> yep .. hang on
[09:54] <soon> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/6tGNsqYv7m/
[09:54] <soon> also : libatkmm-1.6-1v5 is already the newest version (2.28.0-2).
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> soon: same error on launch now?
[09:55] <soon> yes same thing
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> soon: ok, do you have time to create a new bug for it?
[09:56] <soon> sure (if I can figure out how) ... I just wanted someone else with a fresh 19.04 to reproduce it
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> soon: see also if your system is up to date before bug
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate
[09:57] <soon> first thing I do after a new installation 😀️
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> soon: ok, ubuntu-bug gnote to create the bug
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> soon: after sending the bug, it will collect your data to launchpad, where you can add a title and enter your bug description
[09:58] <soon> lotuspsychje: I just tried it on another 19.04 installation (different PC) -- no problem there either. I guess I'm having hardware issues
[09:59] <soon> lotuspsychje: I'll try to sort that out first and report a bug if it persists
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> soon: maybe share your dmesg, we could take a look
[10:00] <soon> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ydPFYRxV57/
[10:02] <soon> My money is on sda
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> soon: whats your nvidia graphics card chipset like?
[10:02] <soon> [GeForce GTX 1060 3GB] (rev a1)
[10:03] <tomreyn> soon: i'm not sure this is still relevant, but gnote installed fine for me on ubuntu 19.04 amd64, and runs fine, too, based on somwhat limited testing.
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> soon: and what about the system with 19.04 where it works?
[10:04] <soon> integrated intel gfx (lenovo laptop)
[10:05] <soon> I also had trouble getting the 19.04 installation in the first place ... it would not recognize pass word
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> soon: i dont see HD io errors, also i dont think a hd would influence a lib error
[10:06] <soon> but then I also have gfx trouble now, when I boot -- I have to ctrl-alt-f2 to a terminal and then back to f1 for gui
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> soon: maybe as a test try another nvidia driver from the ubuntu graphics ppa
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | soon
[10:06] <soon> good idea -- will do
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> for GTX cards, we reccomend
[10:07] <soon> currently, it's on 418 (390 is available)
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> soon: try something higher
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> soon: 430 maybe
[10:08] <soon> will do ...
[10:10] <riotim009[m]> I met LFENCE issue in kvm, any way get around?
[10:19] <soon> Be back after reboot
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> soon: any luck?
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> oh
[10:26] <soon> Hmm ... back with new nvidia driver .. purged gnote and install again: same same
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> soon: ok tnx for testing
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> soon: you sure you dont got ppa's right
[10:26] <soon> lotuspsychje: well I can check
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> !sources | soon
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> soon: if they seem vanilla, id go for the bug
[10:28] <soon> lotuspsychje: well there is one after all: http://linux.dropbox.com/ubuntu cosmic main
[10:29] <soon> ... cosmic no less
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> soon: ok to be sure, perhaps purge with !ppapurge then sudo apt update again
[10:29] <tomreyn> if this is amd64, it's probably not a bug but a foreign packages or other local issue.
[10:30] <soon> it is amd64
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: found a kind of similar bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/inkscape/+bug/842564 on inkscape
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> where also libgtkmm acting weird
[10:31] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: i only read this error message from soon: "error while loading shared libraries: libgiomm-2.4.so.1" - which does not mention libgtkmm - did i miss some other logs / outputs?
[10:32] <caldarella> hello guys, how can I change the network manager entry "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only" to "Automatic (DHCP)" using the nmcli tool and vice versa?
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: when i installed gnote on bionic it needed: libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 libgtkspell3-3-0 along with gnote
[10:34] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: i see. what does this tell us regarding soon's issue?
[10:34] <tomreyn> soon: what's the output of this, please?    apt policy libglibmm-2.4-1v5 | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:34] <soon> lotuspsychje: well I noticed after new nvidia and removing dropbox ppa: The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 libgtkspell3-3-0 libnvidia-common-418
[10:34] <soon> I apt autoremoved
[10:35] <soon> purged gnote and reinstalled
[10:35] <soon> It now includes Setting up libgtkmm-3.0-1v5:amd64 (3.24.0-2) ...
[10:35] <soon> and Setting up libgtkspell3-3-0:amd64 (3.0.9-3) ...
[10:35] <soon> ...but same error when $gnote
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> now works soon?
[10:35] <soon> nope 🤔️
[10:36] <soon> it also included libgtkspell
[10:37] <soon> weird stuff this
[10:37] <tomreyn> soon: be sure to mention my name should you post the output later
[10:38] <soon> will to, tomreyn
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> try what tomreyn suggests
[10:40] <soon> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/kn03
[10:43] <tomreyn> soon: okay that's the right version, hmm
[10:43] <tomreyn> soon: i suggest you dpkg --purge libglibmm-2.4-1v5 && apt install libglibmm-2.4-1v5
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> maybe that dropbox ppa scrambled things up with apt
[10:45] <tomreyn> soon: then start gnote again, from a terminal, and see whether "error while loading shared libraries: libgiomm-2.4.so.1" is gone.
[10:46] <tomreyn> soon: if the error message is still present then, please post the output of:    sha256sum /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgiomm-2.4.so.1
[10:47] <tomreyn> 63f2028dc9cebae968cff1413cfda434d722d5aeeb7a42ba18ea7a1f0c2f8a74  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgiomm-2.4.so.1    -  is what i'd expect it to say
[10:48] <soon> tomreyn: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/cHZkt5NjFp/
[10:48] <tomreyn> soon: i forgot to point out you need to run the dpkg and the apt commands through sudo, sorry.
[10:49] <tomreyn> soon: thanks for posting the output, let's do this instead:  sudo apt reinstall libglibmm-2.4-1v5
[10:51] <soon> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/HyjQ4pSyNY/
[10:51] <soon> sha looks right
 soon: then start gnote again, from a terminal, and see whether "error while loading shared libraries: libgiomm-2.4.so.1" is gone.
[10:52] <tomreyn> don't do step 3 before step 2 ;)
[10:52] <Mead> profit?
[10:53] <qqz> I need to install gtk+devel on Ubuntu 10.04 in order to compile firefox.
[10:53] <zocijux[m]> hi
[10:53] <qqz> However the package repos for 10.04 seem to be offline
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> qqz: 10.04 is end of life
[10:53] <qqz> is there no chance to get devel packages for 10.04?
[10:53] <qqz> can I try it with an equivalent debian version?
[10:54] <qqz> how to find out about which version of Debian I would need?
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> qqz: this is ubuntu suppot here
[10:55] <qqz> is it impossible to compile with Ubuntu 10.04?
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> qqz: install a supported version of ubuntu and install a supported firefox?
[10:55] <tomreyn> qqz: if we were to support EOL releases, we could tell, but we don't
[10:56] <qqz> no I need an SCTP-patched firefox:
[10:57] <tomreyn> qqz: you should never run EOL releases. and there is old-releases.ubuntu.com, that's all there is to be said about this.
[10:57] <qqz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486199
[10:57] <qwebirc31340> Hi. Great that this official support channel exists. I upgraded from 14.04 LTS to 16.04 just today and now I'm stuck in a loop of lightdm. Getting into a login prompt is not that easy since ctrl-alt-f1 does not work.
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> !xauthority | qwebirc31340 try this
[10:58] <qwebirc31340> @ubottu CTRL-ALT-F3 does not work at this loop time.
[10:58] <tomreyn> !recovery | qwebirc31340
[10:58] <qwebirc31340> @ubottu and the one time I managed to get a prompt, the ownership was fine
[10:59] <qwebirc31340> @ubottu I didn't manage to get grub even listed. I have full disk encryption activated, UEFI off and was unable to get the grub menu
[11:00] <qwebirc31340> @lotuspyschje a that's a bot :) sorry didn't get that
[11:00] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: there is no need to use an @ character to addess users on IRC, just use their nickname. ubottu, however, is just a dumb bot which just tells you what we tell it to tell you.
[11:00] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: how did you try to access grub?
[11:01] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: got it thanks. Hitting shift or escape at like any stage of boot
[11:01] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: I have a BIOS password, then the prompt for the encryption key comes
[11:01] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: hmm that should indeed have worked then
[11:02] <tomreyn> it should be right after you entered the firmware prompt for the boot password, and before the initrd (or grub) prompt for the full disk encryption passphrase.
[11:03] <tomreyn> if this is uefi boot, you'll need to hit escape repeatedly.
[11:04] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: uefi is disabled in the bios
[11:04] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: sorry secure boot is disabled
[11:05] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: ok got the grub menu now
[11:06] <soon> tomreyn: sorry for delay - had a phone call.
[11:06] <soon> tomreyn: here is the full output from dpkg --purge and onwards
[11:06] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: in the recovery  menu now
[11:07] <soon> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/d2mpdcKd6n/
[11:10] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: try to just "resume", see if it helps. if it doesn't, get back to the recovery menu again, and do the "network" option, then "root", and ask for more suggestions here.
[11:11] <tomreyn> soon: no problem
[11:11] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: thanks. resume gives a blank screen
[11:11] <tomreyn> soon: so gnote prints a different error message now
[11:12] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: give it some minutes, like 3 or so, and try tty switching, too
[11:13] <tomreyn> soon: these error messages, the one yxou had, and also this new one ("libpangomm-1.4.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory") really suggest that someone (maybe you?) deleted or moved around these files (which are part of apt packages) manually. could this have happened?
[11:15] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: nothing, going back to the recovey mode
[11:16] <tomreyn> soon: here's the next command you should run to recover from this situation whose cause and impact is yet unknown:   sudo apt reinstall libpangomm-1.4-1v5:amd64 && gnote
[11:17] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: okay, while at it, tell us about which graphical desktop you use, and which graphics hardware and drivers  -  if you can tell from memory.
[11:17] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: I have a thinkxpad t4400p and I think I installed nvidia drivers at the time (5y ago..)
[11:17] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: I have root and network
[11:18] <soon> tomreyn: no that I can think of. As mentioned, however I also had trouble getting the fresh installation running in the first place -- specifically that once installed, the login manager would not accept my username and password (which contained special characters) - even when using the onscreen keyboard. After 3-4 attempts to install 19.04 afresh, i succeeded with a very simple password
[11:19] <soon> I'm suspicious of a harddrive failure, as menioned.
[11:19] <soon> and the apt reinstall above ends with:gnote: error while loading shared libraries: libsigc-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:21] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: and to say that I had some errors during the upgrade to 16.04 and I can still see references in syslog about that. I had to reboot after the upgrade by force
[11:22] <itai> Hi, can anyone help me create a Chrome desktop shortcut to a specific user  please?
[11:25] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: can you please run this and report on the output and any errors or warnings:  apt update && apt full-upgrade
[11:26] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: fails immedaitely apt: relocatione rror libapt-pkg.so.5.0 symbol :ZNKS7 etc
[11:27] <soon> tomreyn: I also installed libsigc++-2.0-0v5 and libcairomm-1.0-1v5
[11:27] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: looks like a mismatching glibc
[11:27] <soon> tomreyn: and I now have a functioning gnote 😀️
[11:27] <soon> tomreyn: thank you for your help
[11:27] <EriC^^> itai: you want a custom shortcut?
[11:27] <soon> lotuspsychje: thank you for your help
[11:27] <itai> EriC^^, yes please
[11:27] <EriC^^> meaning it's not the default settings  of the system wide shortcut
[11:27] <EriC^^> ok
[11:27] <tomreyn> soon: ah i'm too late. i actually wanted to try anad find out with you what may have been the reason
[11:28] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: exactly this https://askubuntu.com/questions/777803/apt-relocation-error-version-glibcxx-3-4-21-not-defined-in-file-libstdc-so-6
[11:28] <itai> EriC^^, i want a short cut that will automatically start with my wife's profile and one that will automatically start with mine
[11:28] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: you should reinstall this system.
[11:29] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: I agree in principle but it was running smoothly and is my main work computer
[11:29] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: trying that askubuntu thing now
[11:30] <EriC^^> itai: copy the default one from /usr/share/applications and put it in /home/<user>/Desktop
[11:30] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: for the future, be sure to always purge PPAs (i.e. downgrading package versions to those in ubuntu, uninstalling packages not in ubuntu) before you do a release upgrade.
[11:30] <EriC^^> itai: make it +x using chmod +x /home/<user>/Desktop/newchrome.desktop
[11:30] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: I really thought thats what ubuntu is doing for me but thanks
[11:30] <tomreyn> soon: chances are you'll have other applications which throw similar erro messages.
[11:31] <EriC^^> itai: and modify the commands it uses using any text editor on the .desktop file
[11:31] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: the uubntu installer only disabled 3rd party apt sources, it does not downgrade packages or (not necessarily) uninstall 3rd party packages.
[11:32] <EriC^^> itai: wait though, i think by default it should use the profile of your wife if she logs in and yours if you login.. cause the profile stuff should be in your home dir
[11:32] <EriC^^> maybe the permissions in the home dirs is wrong or so?
[11:32] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: ppa's and 3rd party repositoories are unsupported in the first place, so you'll need to ensure you have a supported system state before you do the release upgrade
[11:33] <itai> EriC^^, maybe i havent explained myself well. I want that on my desktop there will be two icons one will start chrome with my chrome profile and one will start chrome with her profile, by profile i mean chrome profile
[11:34] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: an incompatible libstdc+ is a serious issue, which should never be allowed to be introduced by a PPA. it can break your entire system. which the apt output you had shows well.
[11:35] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: I am note sure at this time where that libstdc++ comes from, so not yet sure.
[11:36] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: in case you will be able to somehow make your apt(-get) work again, and you insist on *not* reinstalling (which i think is not a good idea), you mwa want to use https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages to identify the packages and package versions which yre getting in the way on your system.
[11:37] <tomreyn> soon: did you also have issues with the graphics drivers? is this still a thing?
[11:37] <tomreyn> soon: the other issue i noticed on your kernel log was broken ACPI DSDT tables. you could work around those.
[11:41] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: the thing is, my system got hosed after an upgrade - not during runtime. It was working fine for 5years (that's why I selected the LTS) but not this.
[11:41] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: anyway apt is back to life with some errors about msimatching libstdc++ stuff hehe
[11:43] <soon> tomreyn: I don't know what the issue was. Perhaps I should try a new fresh install on the same PC and see whether it recurs. I have no graphics issues as far as I can tell. I don't know what ACPI DSDT tables are -- I will google that later tonight
[11:44] <sweb> any change on preseed installation on ubuntu 19.04 ? my script worked well on 16.04 and 18.04 but in 19.04 not workd and said installer user ssh  'Faild password for installer ....'
[11:44] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: apt update && apt-full-upgrade went through fine, nothing left to do :)
[11:44] <tomreyn> soon: i would recommend a fresh installation if you'll run into other applications reporting they cannot find libraries.
[11:45] <sweb> My repo ... it's simple repo to create preseed installer and reinstall over ssh ... https://gitlab.com/AASAAM/ubuntu-overssh-reinstallation
[11:45] <soon> tomreyn: ...and a new disk for good measure :-)
[11:46] <tomreyn> soon: i have not seen any indications of your storage being in a bad state. you should run a !smart test against it if you suspect there is an issue.
[11:47] <felco> sup guys, let me ask this: I using a Ryzen 1700, so no integrated GPU here, but still I have 600MB of system RAM reserved by the BIOS. How can I find out what the system BIOS is doing?
[11:48] <tomreyn> soon: in case you will see more erro messages such as   "error while loading shared libraries: libsigc-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"  then run "ldconfig --print-cache | grep -F libsigc-2.0.so.0" (or whatever the library was in the error message) and report the results here when asking for more help.
[11:49] <soon> tomreyn: I will ... and I think I'll copy this chat to a Gnote for future reference
[11:52] <tomreyn> soon: here are some references i collected about your acpi issues (as seen in your kernel log as "ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve [\_SB.PCI0.SAT0.SPT0._GTF.DSSP], AE_NOT_FOUND (20181213/psargs-330)"): https://github.com/thevoidnn/acpi-patch-sabertooth-p67 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DSDT https://wiki.debian.org/OverridingDSDT https://askubuntu.com/questions/1027552/including-a-custom-acpi-dsdt-with-kubuntu-18-04-rc1
[11:54] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: I have a working system again.
[11:55] <tomreyn> soon: the first link is exactly about your mainboard's firmware issue, but this workaround is for arch linux, it won'T work exactly like this on ubuntu. the second link explains about DSDT and how to workaround those issue son arch linux, the third does the same for debian  (ubuntu is a debian derivate and those instructions should also apply here) and the latest link is an example of how to apply such a workaround on ubuntu.
[11:56] <tomreyn> soon: last link i'll spam, this may be an alternative approach you could take, trying to work around your buggy fiirmware (which no newer update is available to): http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[11:56] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: thanks for your pointers and on insisting to boot the recovery mode
[11:56] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: congratulations, if you really think so.
[11:57] <soon> I'll look into that
[11:59] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: yes, I can login, restart and all services are looking healthy. Now not going for 18.04.2 LTS yet after that ...
[12:02] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: if you'll run and act on the output of https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages you'll probably not get a better situation to prepare for an upgrade to 18.04.2 than you have now.
[12:02] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: doing the autoremove as we speak
[12:02] <tomreyn> of course, a fresh installation is always better.
[12:03] <hendrik_> ha
[12:05] <tomreyn> autoremove? oh i think you mentioned your previous release upgrade did not finish. then you also need to ensure all your apt sources are pointing to the codename of the ubuntu release you are at now (16.04 = xenial) and run "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[12:07] <tomreyn> qwebirc31340: ^
[12:13] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: i see references to xenial everywhere so the sources look fine
[12:14] <tomreyn> i see.
[12:24] <yeats> qwebirc31340: if you do decide to upgrade to 18.04, you won't have to upgrade again until 2028, so there's that :-)
[12:25] <qwebirc31340> yeats: I do hope that my machine gets replaced in the meantime though
[12:25] <yeats> qwebirc31340: I hope so too :-)
[12:26] <qwebirc31340> yeats: the extended security maintenance is for customers only
[12:27] <yeats> qwebirc31340: oh - I guess I didn't read the fine print - I'm on the every-two-year LTS upgrade cycle for the servers I administer so it's not an issue
[12:27] <gauru> hi
[12:30] <qwebirc31340> tomreyn: thanks again - logging off now
[12:30] <EoflaOEViceCity> hi gauru
[12:44] <stoned> I upgraded directly from 18.04 to 19.04
[12:45] <stoned> things went fairly smoothly without hiccups or errors in packages or anything
[12:45] <stoned> it's just that now when I try to upload a picture in chrome browser, the file open dialog box doesn't show any files and it gives some errorbox
[12:46] <EoflaOEViceCity> What does the error dialog box say?
[12:46] <stoned> unable to create io slav. kluancher said: error loading /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/file.sd
[12:47] <stoned> I use the kde programs with Xmonad on ubuntu
[12:47] <stoned> I wonder if I need to reboot
[12:47] <stoned> not sure if that will help
[12:47] <stoned> ls: cannot access '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/file.sd': No such file or directory
[12:48] <EoflaOEViceCity> can you check if the file that is provided exists?
[12:50] <ducasse> stoned: how did you perform the upgrade?
[12:54] <stoned> I rebooted, and now things are okay, except for one thing, now my sound says dummy output.
[12:54] <stoned> https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/upgrade-ubuntu-18-04-to-ubuntu-19-04-directly-from-command-line
[12:54] <stoned> Here is the article I found which described how to skip upgrading to 18.10 in the middle.
[12:55] <stoned> lsb_release  -a says disco
[12:55] <stoned> Other than sound saying dummy output, everything seems okay so far
[12:55] <tomreyn> stoned: that's not a supported upgrade path
[12:56] <stoned> Oh I didn't know that
[12:56] <ducasse> stoned: yes, but see - that is not supported or recommended.
[12:57] <ducasse> you shouldn't follow random guides online when official ubuntu docs say something else
[12:57] <stoned> I just googled and that's what came up
[12:59] <ducasse> you'd be better off asking here
[13:01] <guiverc> stoned: fyi: if I use a search engine to look for "howto's" related to ubuntu, I usually use "site:*.ubuntu.com" so results are limited to official sources (which doesn't stop out-of-date stuff, but it's far safer in my opinion)
[13:03] <stoned> ok
[13:20] <PawelAR> hello !
[13:21] <Cybergrad> In Disco I cannot launch a program I installed with the Gnome applications menu and must launch it through the terminal. How can I fix the menu entry?
[13:21] <PawelAR> can somone give me hint with Netcat switch under linux ? I dont see in man pages how -O switch have to work
[13:21] <PawelAR> i see that it is but how it works ( i think it dont work :( )
[13:22] <yeats> Cybergrad: look into menulibre
[13:32] <SmokeMask> Hi I was asking if there any channel for backbox
[13:32] <cfhowlett> !backbox | SmokeMask
[13:32] <SmokeMask> cfhowlett I'm ready visited there
[13:33] <cfhowlett> so you already knew the channel.
[13:33] <SmokeMask> but the channel is empty
[13:33] <SmokeMask> expect chanServ
[13:33] <cfhowlett> not an ubuntu issue.
[13:33] <SmokeMask> I just asked
[13:34] <SmokeMask> I got banned over many network , for my question
[13:34] <SmokeMask> luck is mine,I'm here
[13:35] <SmokeMask> it ask me to mout my disk , I can't open my disks
[13:35] <SmokeMask> any soliution  ?
[13:35] <SmokeMask> mount*
[13:36] <cfhowlett> SmokeMask/ we don't support backbox.  if you want help in this channel, install ubuntu
[13:36] <SmokeMask> yes ,its showing in ubuntu
[13:38] <SmokeMask> how do I check my os info or version such like things in linux
[13:38] <SmokeMask> tired in google
[13:39] <cfhowlett> in backbox?
[13:39] <SmokeMask> in linux distro
[13:39] <cfhowlett> depends on the distro.
[13:39] <SmokeMask> I don't know what is it called . that's why I asking to get info about my os
[13:40] <cfhowlett> so it's not ubuntu.  and we don't support it.  ask in the proper channel please.
[13:40] <SmokeMask> how do sure that was not ubunto ?
[13:40] <SmokeMask> there maybe some common cmds
[13:40] <leftyfb> SmokeMask: https://forum.backbox.org/  go there for support. Not here
[13:40]  * cfhowlett is not playing this silly game today.
[13:41] <SmokeMask> leftyfb what about live help ?
[13:41] <leftyfb> SmokeMask: http://t.me/backbox_org
[13:41] <SmokeMask> it just looks they just learn in one thing , not familar purpose
[13:41] <cfhowlett> SmokeMask/ for general linux help, ask ##linux
[13:41] <SmokeMask> that's better
[13:42] <stoned> Is it possible to install ubuntu iso without usb or cd rom, just an iso and my current pc?
[13:42] <cfhowlett> stoned/ yes.
[13:42] <cfhowlett> pxe install would do that
[13:42] <cfhowlett> !install | stoned
[13:42] <stoned> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/disco/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/
[13:43] <stoned> I found it
[13:43] <stoned> here's the hd media kernel and ramdisk
[13:43] <stoned> this is enough to load the iso
[13:44] <rsakeys> sup ubuntu folks
[13:44] <rsakeys> sudo apt-get install my-ass
[13:44] <leftyfb> rsakeys: trolling is offtopic here. Try #ubuntu-ops
[13:44] <rsakeys> my bad
[13:45] <SmokeMask> hi when I get my os info it says
[13:45] <Moobuntu001> If I have an ubuntu server with a 802.11AC PCIe Adapter, what package do I use to broadcast the SSID and manage WiFi clients, and how do I throttle the up and down speed for individual clients?
[13:45] <SmokeMask> NAME="Ubuntu"
[13:45] <SmokeMask> VERSION="16.04.2 LTS (Xenial Xerus)"
[13:45] <SmokeMask> ID=ubuntu
[13:45] <SmokeMask> everywhere its all about ubuntu
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> Moobuntu001: please join #ubuntu-server
[13:46] <SmokeMask> cfhowlett ^
[13:46] <leftyfb> SmokeMask: You are not running an officially supported version of Ubuntu. You've been given links to get support for your distro. Stop asking here.
[13:46] <cfhowlett> SmokeMask/ lying will not get you help.  go to backbox
[13:46] <rsakeys> what is this chat for then if you can't shitpost nor ask for help
[13:46] <rsakeys> ??
[13:46] <Moobuntu001> I can't seem to join #ubuntu-server
[13:46] <SmokeMask> my mistake to ask here
[13:47] <leftyfb> SmokeMask: to be honest, since you can't grasp these simple ideas, you shouldn't even be bothering with a security-focused distro and should just start with the basics and install Ubuntu from http://ubuntu.com
[13:47] <SmokeMask> hell damn it
[13:47] <SmokeMask> well I'm new here
[13:47] <tomreyn> !register | Moobuntu001
[13:47] <SmokeMask> I just that I'll get help in crowd
[13:47] <leftyfb> rsakeys: This is a support channel. Go to #ubuntu-offtopic for anything else. Go to #ubuntu-ops if you just want to troll.
[13:48] <rsakeys> ah ok
[13:49] <Moobuntu001_> If I have an ubuntu PC with a 802.11AC PCIe Adapter, and broadcast a SSID and manage WiFi clients using the built-in UI, how do I throttle the up and down speed for individual clients?
[13:49] <SmokeMask> leftyfb there some familiar isuse ,it can be solved , what will be undone if you help about expect ubuntu
[13:50] <leftyfb> SmokeMask: I gave you your support options. Good luck. Come back when you install Ubuntu instead of Backbox.
[13:50] <cfhowlett> Moobuntu001_/ this sounds like a #networking problem.
[13:50] <SmokeMask> _n_
[13:51] <SmokeMask> here many brains but just some of few helps
[13:51] <Moobuntu001_> ^
[13:51] <leftyfb> SmokeMask: good luck
[13:51] <cfhowlett> toodles
[13:51] <SmokeMask> _n_
[13:52] <SmokeMask> I'm not gonna change my opinion
[13:52] <SmokeMask> _n_ you all
[13:53] <smokemaSK> leftyfb okay if you like to assist then join #backbox
[13:54] <leftyfb> smokemaSK: I think your best assistance would be to install Ubuntu. Backbox is not appropriate for you.
[13:54] <smokemaSK> does it matter , in my look they are almost same
[13:55] <smokemaSK> no help
[13:55] <leftyfb> smokemaSK: then if it doesn't matter, install Ubuntu and we will help you.
[13:55] <cfhowlett> It matters.  this is Ubuntu only support.  if backbox doesn't give you enough support, consider your OS.
[13:56] <smokemaSK> we are here for Stigmatized irc name
[13:56] <smokemaSK> _n_ ubuntu
[13:57] <smokemaSK> drity gui
[13:57] <smokemaSK> looks fat interface
[13:57] <leftyfb> smokemaSK: goodbye
[13:57] <smokemaSK> loaded bugs
[13:57] <smokemaSK> no OP around
[13:57] <cfhowlett> remember when you said you were banned from channels?  this because channels have rules.  break the rules, get a ban.  the rule in this channel is ubuntu only.  as you know.
[13:57] <smokemaSK> oh they are all hidden
[13:58] <smokemaSK> rules are made to be broken
[13:58] <kadiro> smokemaSK, ask in ##linux then if no answer in that baxbox or what ever it is called
[13:58] <smokemaSK> kadiro first I need register my nick
[13:58] <kadiro> do it
[13:58] <cfhowlett> how to ignore in irc:   /ignore nick               and they are invisible
[13:58] <raidghost> Any suggestions to how to use 2 twin card (DVB-C) cards to watch tv and record a program.?
[13:59] <cfhowlett> hardware question raidghost ?
[13:59] <raidghost> sorry.. wrong channel i guess
[13:59] <cfhowlett> best of luck
[13:59] <smokemaSK> raidghost are you here to give an a example
[13:59] <kadiro> raidghost, there are many software for that: vdr, kodi ...
[13:59] <smokemaSK> raidghost or you clone of someone
[13:59] <kadiro> i use vdr my self with my dvb-s card
[14:00] <raidghost> how is the recordinfgs then? in sync picture and audio?
[14:00] <smokemaSK> kadiro #backbox
[14:00] <raidghost> Ive tried tvheadend
[14:00] <kadiro> yeah that also
[14:00] <raidghost> Works to watch channels, but to record,. no chance in the milk Mountain that it would work 100% successfully
[14:00] <raidghost> Allways out of sync picture and audio
[14:00] <kadiro> raidghost, vdr can record and stream also
[14:01] <raidghost> I gotta google this vdr thingy to check it out. Web interfaceish?
[14:01] <kadiro> raidghost, I think yes with something like yavdr
[14:02] <raidghost> kadiro: Only free to air? or can i use my smartcard with subscription (USB reader?)
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> keep it ubuntu related guys
[14:03] <kadiro> raidghost, that can be done with oscam and so; it is compatible with vdr too
[14:03] <kadiro> lotuspsychje, sorry
[14:03] <raidghost> kadiro: oscam <3 <3
[14:04] <raidghost> Any chance i can run it on a VM?
[14:05] <raidghost> and maybe i can use the nvidia shield as tuner with the remote and stuff
[14:05] <kadiro> raidghost, of course, but as this is ubuntu only support may be you can ask in other channels for that
[14:06] <raidghost> i will check that. Does the vdr thingy support vlc stream back?
[14:07] <kadiro> yep
[14:07] <raidghost> So if i record on the vm, it should be pretty easy to watch it everywhere, plex or whatever else places i would watch it ;)
[14:08] <kadiro> :)
[14:09] <raidghost> i see that robotv works as a frontend on android, HALLELUJA!
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> !ot | raidghost
[14:10] <raidghost> lotuspsychje: i allready know that. but thanks for let me know the second time.
[14:18] <hexhaxtron> Is there a way to get the location of a picture? I don't need the map, just the location. For example: England -> London -> Lambeth -> Brixton
[14:26] <cfhowlett> if it's included in the meta data yes.
[14:26] <cfhowlett> otherwise you can try google pictures to see if it can do a match.
[14:43] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:45] <cfhowlett> Yowza ^3 BluesKaj
[14:45] <BluesKaj> hey cfhowlett, how's things?
[14:46] <cfhowlett> got my mind on my money and my money on my mind.  you?
[14:46] <Chaekyung> hexhaxtron: depends. There could be EXIF data. if geeqie you can press ctrl+e to get the exif viewer image and there could be details there on photos. there's command-line tools to get it. However, you only have that data if the camera/phone saved it.
[14:46] <BluesKaj> just having morning coffee atm, cfhowlett
[14:46] <Chaekyung> hexhaxtron: I mean, if you have some random photo then there's no linux tool to match the content against a big database of everything :)
[14:47] <cfhowlett> Chaekyung/ location possibly if the exif has recorded it
[14:47] <Chaekyung> in command-line you can use exiftran -d mypicture.jpg  to get the data
[14:53] <Whitor> Hi
[14:58] <ilyaigpetrov> Whitor: hi, any problem with ubuntu?
[14:59] <Cybergrad> A program I have opens internet links in links2 in its terminal session (it's a GUI program but must be launched from a terminal session), rather than Chrome, reporting:
[14:59] <Cybergrad> '/usr/bin/xdg-open: chromium: not found'. How can I point the program to the correct binary location?
[14:59] <Cybergrad> I'm also given:
[14:59] <Cybergrad> [15592:15592:0505/085316.855737:ERROR:zygote_host_impl_linux.cc(89)] Running as root without --no-sandbox is not supported. See https://crbug.com/638180.
[14:59] <Cybergrad> Running Firefox as root in a regular user's session is not supported.  ($HOME is /home/Cybergrad which is owned by cybergrad.)
[15:00] <cfhowlett> don't run firefox in root?
[15:00] <Cybergrad> The program making the call must be run with sudo to launch at all because of the installation method.
[15:00] <Whitor> ilyaigpetrov, Not at all. Thanks for asking.
[15:01] <Cybergrad> Otherwise it doesn't have access to /usr/tmp and it complains and doesn't start.
[15:01] <ilyaigpetrov> Whitor: any interesting with ubuntu is going?
[15:01] <tomreyn>  /usr/tmp doesn't exist on ubuntu
[15:01] <cfhowlett> Whitor/ chitchat is available in #ubuntu-offtopic.  if you want to learn more about ubuntu/linux in general see >>>
[15:01] <cfhowlett> !fcm | Whitor
[15:01] <rudeguy> hello, i've got an ethernet cable and when i plug it in my laptop, it says "unmanaged cable"
[15:01] <rudeguy> here's a screen: https://imgur.com/WdwEW9c
[15:02] <rudeguy> (it's in italian)
[15:02] <Cybergrad> tomreyn: Could I create a system-wide alias to redirect it to /tmp/?
[15:02] <rudeguy> the connection works fine, but i'd like to know why does it do this
[15:02] <Whitor> ilyaigpetrov, just going throug initial setup on a new laptop...  Changing login screen background now
[15:02] <tomreyn> Cybergrad: it would be better to make the software behave correctly, if you can.
[15:03] <Whitor> cfhowlett, I don't like chit chat... Just looking to lend a hand if anyone has a question I can answer
[15:03] <cfhowlett> welcome and just for having such a GREAT attitude ...
[15:03] <Whitor> cfhowlett, thanks though!
[15:03] <cfhowlett> !cookie | Whitor
[15:03] <ilyaigpetrov> !cookie | ilyaigpetrov
[15:03] <Cybergrad> tomreyn: I'm not sure how I would accomplish that. How do you mean?
[15:04] <rudeguy> er, can anyone help me?
[15:04] <Whitor> !eatcookie | Whitor
[15:04] <Whitor> rudeguy, What's up?
[15:04] <tomreyn> Cybergrad: reconfigure it, rebuild it with different options, edit source code + rebuild it.
[15:05] <rudeguy> whitor: look up, i wrote my problem earlier
[15:06] <Cybergrad> tomreyn: I don't think Autodesk would like that. They only support RHEL and I needed to translate packages with alien and follow a detailed installation guide.
[15:06] <Whitor> rudeguy, thanks... looking
[15:07] <Whitor> rudeguy... just curious, is this specific to the ethernet cable? If you use a different cable, does the issue still occur?
[15:08] <rudeguy> didn't think about using a different one
[15:08] <tomreyn> Cybergrad: then a symlink may be an option. maybe run it in a container / chroot, too. anyways, this is not software we support here.
[15:09] <Whitor> rudeguy, I'd guess this isn't it either... it's just too easy to test
[15:09] <rudeguy> well, it's the same with a different cable, so you're right
[15:10] <tomreyn> rudeguy may need to set managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and systemctl restart NetworkManager
[15:10] <Whitor> ohhh, that looks a lot more likely, tomreyn
[15:11] <tomreyn> it's not so much a cable management issue than a "Ethernet is not managed (by Network Manager)" issue.
[15:11] <rudeguy> i did that some time ago... still the same
[15:12] <tomreyn> also delete the interface off /etc/network/interfaces
[15:13] <tomreyn> and if you installed via mini.iso or ubuntu-server(-live) installer then your default network stack is not network manager but systemd-networkd
[15:13] <tomreyn> got to go, good luck
[15:14] <ioria> probably  you have some settings in /etc/network/interface , rudeguy , but still using network-manager ; what ubuntu release is taht ? 16.04 ?
[15:14] <rudeguy> 18.10
[15:15] <Whitor> Thanks tomreyn !!  rudeguy try this stuff...
[15:15] <ioria> rudeguy,    cat /etc/netplan/*.yaml | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:15] <Cybergrad> tomreyn: I created a symlink, but I don't know how to give the user write permissions.
[15:15] <rudeguy> https://imgur.com/MliVYAz this is my etc/network/interfaces
[15:16] <ioria> rudeguy,    you can't use that file is using 18.10, unless you did an upgrade from xenial  ; run the cmd above
[15:17] <ioria> rudeguy,    you'll get an url , paste it here
[15:17] <rudeguy> ok
[15:17] <rudeguy> https://termbin.com/0j1p
[15:19] <ioria> rudeguy,   you need to change your /e/n/interfaces file
[15:19] <ioria> rudeguy,   why di dyou edit that file, for starter ?
[15:20] <rudeguy> i had to edit it in the first place to allow connection through cable
[15:20] <rudeguy> as i said earlier, the connection is fine
[15:20] <rudeguy> but it says unmanaged cable, and i want to know why
[15:21] <ioria> rudeguy,   i told you.... you cannot use that file if using netplan/network-manager
[15:21] <ioria> rudeguy,  is NM running ?  ps -A | grep Network
[15:24] <rudeguy> ioria: output is ps -A | grep Network
[15:25] <ioria> rudeguy,  what ?
[15:25] <rudeguy> wait, sorry
[15:25] <rudeguy>  8110 ?        00:00:00 NetworkManager
[15:26] <ioria> ok, so i's running ... then why you cannot set the config in NM gui ?
[15:26] <rudeguy> i don't know... i gotta go now, sorry
[15:30] <Whitor> Well, at least rudeguy is back on track.
[15:37] <fleabeard> hello, is there a way to troubleshoot why suddenly, my right-click capabilities of my touchpad isn't working? It's just acting as a left-click instead. Ubuntu 18.04.
[15:42] <zocijux[m]> hi
[15:43] <fleabeard> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/7vKGQCDGbc/ is my xinput list-props output
[15:46] <zocijux[m]> hi all
[15:47] <xamithan> Did you check the touchpad settings
[15:48] <fleabeard> xamithan, yes, nothing has changed. I never fool with touchpad settings at all.
[15:49] <chealer> hi. I have been using KOrganizer for over a decade but it's never been reliable. and it still isn't on Kubuntu 19.04. so I tried Mozilla Lightning, but it also doesn't have reliable reminders (and besides, it's a Mozilla product). is there any other credible calendar application I could try on KDE? ideally not GNOME, but I am getting less demanding at this point.
[15:50] <xamithan> Is the touchpad right click a physical button?  If not you can use gnome-tweaks to fix that
[15:52] <fleabeard> xamithan, I'm not real sure how to answer that. It does have a physical feedback when I click it, like it's pressing a micro-switch. But it's all part of the touchpad. It's a small HP Stream Laptop if that is of any use.
[15:52] <xamithan> https://itsfoss.com/fix-right-click-touchpad-ubuntu/
[15:54] <fleabeard> I'll give that a try though, I'm curious why something like this would even be an issue considering I never bother around with settings on my machine. This literally just cropped up out of nowhere one day.
[15:54] <fleabeard> is practical functionality something that isn't reliable in ubuntu over time?
[15:54] <xamithan> Who knows,  might have been an update.  I don't use the libinput driver because my touchpad never works right with it
[15:54] <xamithan> Always have to install the synaptics driver
[15:55] <chealer> in fact, I don't even demand that it be distributed in Ubuntu.
[15:57] <xamithan> chealer: I like rainlender,  I'm not sure if it's in ubuntu though
[16:02] <chealer> xamithan: it is not (it is shareware), but thanks
[16:15] <plongshot> Is it possible to access a web app on a server that only has command line? I can't figure out if this application I want to install is fully self contained so to say or if there are dependencies to use it (like installing a widow manager and browser?).
[16:16] <xamithan> It's possible
[16:21] <chealer> plongshot: yes, if you're just referring to desktop dependencies
[16:23] <plongshot> xamithan: chealer: I want to install apache syncope on my 18.04 server on linide. It has no gui (only cli). It seemed crazy to think but I got to wondering if its made to just install directly and make use of?
[16:24] <plongshot> I guess I need to be more careful how I use "access". By access the web app I meant access it's gui front end (without additional applications being installed).
[16:24] <xamithan> It's a webapp that uses java and a tomcat like structure.  It shouldn't require a GUI
[16:26] <xamithan> It might be able to access using lynx from command line but who knows *shrug*
[16:29] <plongshot> xamithan: Apreciate you guys
[16:30] <ioria> plongshot, try to   join  #apache-syncope
[16:34] <plongshot> ioria: Thx. Didn't know about that
[16:35] <ioria> ok
[16:37] <raidghost> ubunty server says:  => There is 1 zombie process.
[16:37] <raidghost> Any Issue?
[16:38] <xamithan> For one process?  No,  the parent just died and left the kid a zombie
[16:59] <bubblebobble> hi :)
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> welcome bubblebobble
[17:00] <bubblebobble> thank you
[17:10] <[rg]> hello, can someone link me link me a paste of their /etc/X11/ directory
[17:12] <EriC^^> [rg]: https://termbin.com/mjew
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> [rg]: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YFjW2jyZFG/
[17:14] <[rg]> thanks guys
[17:14] <[rg]> also, if you happen to have an intel driver and inxi, can I see inxi -G ?
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> [rg]: those will depend on your ubuntu version
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> [rg]: whats your issue exactly?
[17:19] <[rg]> lotuspsychje: trying another distro on my laptop and trying to remeber my xorg configuration
[17:19] <[rg]> it was the ubuntu default which used kms
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> [rg]: we can only support ubuntu here and xorg doesnt really need to be configured anymore like it used to
[17:22] <[rg]> lotuspsychje: i understand, thats why I was trying to find the default drivers by ubuntu for intel, but I can just reboot and check
[17:22] <[rg]> thanks anyways
[17:58] <wondows> I have blender-2.79 and blender-2.80 installed and when I press the "windows" button both show up as expected. However, the one which appears first in the list is quite random. I would expect the most frequently used one to be prioritized so I can open it very quickly without looking. What's the logic in here?
[18:19] <sappheiros> i cannot get gpg to work. can you give me an example command?
[18:19] <sappheiros> 'gpg --symmetric test1 password' yields usage: gpg [options] --symmetric [filename]
[18:20] <sappheiros> gpg -c test1 password yields usage: gpg [options] --symmetric [filename]
[18:20] <sappheiros> nothing i try after reading the manual works
[18:21] <sappheiros> gpg -c test1 finally worked, but it created a second file, leaving the original unencrypted ...
[18:21] <xamithan> Read the man page,  it tells you the syntax
[18:23] <xamithan> That's exactly what it's supposed to do,  you delete the original file yourself
[18:24] <mra90> why *lsmod* man page doesn;t describe its format?!
[18:24] <sappheiros> i just want to password-protect a spreadsheet
[18:24] <sappheiros> i don't want to create duplicate files and erasing duplicates every time i make a change to the document
[18:25] <xamithan> Then create yourself an alias that does rm afterwards
[18:25] <xamithan> Make your own software to suit your needs
[18:29] <sappheiros> thanks ... where are the deleted files in lubuntu?
[18:30] <sappheiros> does it permanently erase them immediately? no trash bin?
[18:30] <sappheiros> maybe i just found it at https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/3.2/3.2.5/desktop.html
[18:31] <sappheiros> ... or maybe my installation is corrupt
[18:32] <sappheiros> i don't have the visible shortcuts in my window, unlike the figure at https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/3.2/3.2.5/desktop.html
[18:32] <sappheiros> how do i get these visual shortcuts that can be selected in that Desktop Preferences pane?
[18:35] <sappheiros> how do you navigate to trash:/// from the command line?
[18:36] <ioria> sappheiros, ~/.local/share/Trash/
[18:38] <sappheiros> thank you, ioria. how do i -- oh, i see 'ls -a' shows those hidden folders. thanks ...
[18:38] <ioria> yep
[18:40] <sappheiros> how do you restore a file that you rm'd?
[18:41] <sappheiros> i see it skipped the trash
[18:41] <xamithan> Trash is for desktop,  not command line
[18:42] <ioria> !undelete | sappheiros
[18:44] <sappheiros> ioria: that page only discusses failing hard drives, not finding files that were rm'd
[18:45] <ioria> sappheiros, testdisk is the best option
[18:48] <sappheiros> thanks. writing a script to gpg + rm original file merely to password-protect a spreadsheet you intend to use often seems ill-advised, not what the commands are intended for
[18:55] <wondows> is it possible to make a trash dir for rm?
[18:55] <jcotton> rm doesn't support that, and using an alias is dangerous as it makes you complacent
[18:56] <OerHeks> gvfs-trash does that
[18:56] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/213533/command-to-move-a-file-to-trash-via-terminal
[18:56] <mok0> wondows: You could make one called "trash"
[18:56] <OerHeks> mok0 +1  or trash, 2nd answer in that url
[18:58] <mok0> There is a command called "gio trash"
[18:58] <wondows> cool
[18:58] <mok0> man gio
[19:04] <pd09041999> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/452197/failed-to-start-switcheroo-control-proxy-service
[19:04] <pd09041999> any solution to this?
[19:05] <JohnGavr> guys i have a strange beep after stop music on external audio speakers...
[19:08] <xamithan> Well the comment says to disable secure boot pd09041999
[19:09] <pd09041999> is not there any other option?
[19:11] <xamithan> It uses debugfs,  which secure boot locks down.  So nope
[19:14] <BlckH4t> hello all
[19:15] <bprompt> allo
[19:15] <BlckH4t> I'm from indonesian user
[19:17] <jeff_j> Hello
[19:18] <ioria> pd09041999, someone made it work restarting the service after boot : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/switcheroo-control/+bug/1768988
[19:18] <nagyg> hi all
[19:20] <tdn> What bit do I need to set in order to have a folder that is writable by group and then have every file/folder created in there be owned by said group?
[19:21] <mok0> tdn: set group permission of the directory to s
[19:21] <nagyg> I'd like to make an IPsec L2tp VPN connection to a host but I do need to do this from the command line (to automate software deployment). Can anyone point me to the right direction how to do this on Ubuntu 18.04? I have libreswan (not openswan) installed.
[19:21] <tdn> mok0, chmod g+s ?
[19:21] <mok0> tdn: yep
[19:21] <tdn> mok0, thanks
[19:23] <ajh_> I'm having an odd issue where I'm unsure if Apache is actually reading the configuration files correctly, the first site in site-enabled works fine, however the second does not in any way work despite having basically the identical configuration (with the relevant changes), I even tried putting it on another port to see if that would work but apache isn't even answering on that port.
[19:23] <BlckH4t> welcome
[19:24] <qwebirc95665> Hi, i have installed gnome on a server, i have achived x11-foreward (i can guilike interact with programs on the server), how can i start gnome? if i type gnome-session it says only terminated
[19:24] <jeff_j> qwebirc have you tried 'systemctl start gdm'
[19:24] <qwebirc95665> if i try it with sudo, i get Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
[19:25] <qwebirc95665> no i just did it
[19:26] <jeff_j> did it work?
[19:26] <qwebirc95665> [19:26] <qwebirc95665> seems running
[19:26] <jeff_j> do, systemctl restart gdm
[19:26] <jeff_j> and do startx
[19:27] <qwebirc95665>  /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg.wrap: Only console users are allowed to run the X server
[19:27] <OerHeks> qwebirc95665, in #debian you told debian server... we might give you wrong answers
[19:27] <qwebirc95665> no i have 2
[19:27] <qwebirc95665> i have with both the same problem
[19:27] <qwebirc95665> there are hosted by a friend
[19:28] <qwebirc95665> but he forgot gui
[19:28] <jeff_j> so, you don't have XOrg display server installed?
[19:28] <qwebirc95665> no, not mannually
[19:29] <qwebirc95665> but i can see apps like firefox if i type in firefox, i assumes graphics are working
[19:29] <qwebirc95665> sudo startx seems to give out informations
[19:29] <jeff_j> have you tried Ctrl+Alt+F1-10 tty sessions to see if one of them is displaying the graphics?
[19:30] <mxsifr> Hello all, could anyone help me convince my 18.04 ubuntu to simultaneously output DVI to a monitor and HDMI to a TV? or is this impossible
[19:30] <mxsifr> Right now I'm pretty stuck, as every time I even plug the HDMI cable in, Ubuntu completely stops using my actual monitor
[19:31] <jeff_j> Have you gone into settings>displays and configured each display individually?
[19:31] <qwebirc95665> jeff_j i think remote desktop viever can do that
[19:31] <ajh_> I've never run into an issue like this before; DUMP_VHOSTS shows the correct hosts.
[19:32] <qwebirc95665> jeff_j RDV cant catch my keys
[19:32] <qwebirc95665> for crtl and alt
[19:33] <qwebirc95665> are there better vnc clients that can do that?
[19:34] <qwebirc95665> i currently use https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Vinagre from the ubuntu store
[19:34] <jeff_j> qwebirc, can you use control/paste?
[19:34] <jeff_j> have you tried using Remmina?
[19:35] <qwebirc95665> i cant do c-v but i have a ssh connection, there it is possible
[19:36] <jeff_j> I think your GUI session is running but you need to switch to it, it will be one of the Ctrl+Alt+F1,F2---F10 sessiosn
[19:36] <jeff_j> do this, loginctl and see the open sessions
[19:41] <ajh_> Confirmed, disabling the other site allows the second one to work, it is as if vhosts are not working; but everything points to the fact that they are configured...
[19:41] <ajh_> Is something I'm not aware of required to enable vhosts on disco/cloud.
[19:42] <qwebirc95665> remmina dont seem to translate my crtl+alt+Fx ether, but loginctl gave me 4 sessions 3 times with my user name and one with -gdm on /dev/tty1 thightvncserver runs on :1 so i think were on the same place
[19:43] <ph8> Hi all!
[19:44] <jeff_j> qwebirc, look in google for a terminal command to bring tty1 to screen
[19:44] <ph8> I'm trying to mount Google Drive on Ubuntu (Disco) - almost every route i find requires me to grant an app (whether it's GNOME, or ocamlfuse or expandrive) access to my account - it makes me really uncomfortable! Does anyone know a way I can mount it to a folder without having to give a cloud app wide ranging access to my personal files?
[19:45] <ph8> or have i misunderstood how much access i'm granting? is it not as bad as it sounds? (e.g. app can read my files at any time without my knowledge?)
[19:45] <jeff_j> ph8 can you not mount it directly as a network folder?
[19:45] <ph8> @jeff_j For google drive? will that "just work"?
[19:45] <ph8> i assume it's not just like a samba share
[19:46] <jeff_j> try it, omgubuntu webpage had an article about getting google drive a while ago, try searching their page
[19:46] <qwebirc95665> i used sudo chvt 1, nothing happend
[19:46] <jeff_j> also granting google account access to ubuntu is not as bad as it sounds, a lot of people do it and it integrates really well, e.g. you can see events in the Gnome calendar etc
[19:46] <jeff_j> qwebirc, you either need to Ctr+Alt+F<?> switch or do it via the terminal
[19:47] <ph8> but surely if some kind of master ubuntu key was compromised evil hax0rs could siphon off everyones data?
[19:48] <jeff_j> ph8, in that same logic, some evil master could simply hack your account directly, also to de-cipher encryption without using quantum computing would take thousands of years, I saw a video on it on youtube
[19:48] <ph8> I mean more like if Ubuntu HQ gets broken into and the key gets stolen
[19:48] <ph8> i'm right in thinking that it's just an ubuntu centralised client/secret away from having access to all the people who've granted ubuntu access to the drive right?
[19:48] <ph8> * their drive
[19:49] <jeff_j> ph8 the key is not stored at their HQ and it is not something somebody can just decode
[19:49] <jeff_j> you have a valid reason to be cautious, but I think you are safe 99.9%
[19:49] <ph8> i know it's not a matter of decryption, but somewhere the ubuntu app has a set of credentials that lets it do its job right?
[19:49] <ph8> i do feel like i'm missing something
[19:49] <qwebirc95665> jeff_j if i try it localy it seems to work with the command sudo chvt 1 to go back to this, but on the server it seems to do nothing
[19:50] <qwebirc95665> even if i do it in the gui inside the VNC
[19:51] <qwebirc95665> sudo chvt 3  => sudo chvt 1
[19:52] <jeff_j> Atleast it appears that you have a GUI session running, try this loginctl show-session <enter session number from doing loginctl> -p Type
[19:54] <qwebirc95665> Type=x11
[19:54] <jeff_j> yeh you definitely have the GUI in that session, you just need to access it that is all
[19:54] <ph8> @jeff_j found it - the ocamlfuse plugin has an option that lets you setup your own api key and secret - much more palatable for my security profile: https://github.com/astrada/google-drive-ocamlfuse/wiki/Authorization
[19:54] <jeff_j> Good job ph8, I didn't even know that, thanks for the info
[19:55] <qwebirc95665> probably the session i'm currently logged in to the gnome-terminal
[19:55] <jeff_j> ph8 make sure you review the source code fully before you install it
[19:55] <jeff_j> I trust Gnome developers more than github code developers
[19:56] <ifvoid> is there an offcial fix/workaround for the firefox extension mess?
[19:57] <Noor_egy> hello all the application that installed from snap not work because of the permissions how could i solve that ?
[20:00] <CookieM> simple: just use new ones compatible with quantum, or roll back to waterfox, which is firefox ver. 56’s fork and use Classic Addon Archive, available here: https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/releases ifvoid
[20:01] <ifvoid> CookieM: uhm I think you misunderstand
[20:02] <ifvoid> CookieM: mozilla messed up with a certificate, causing all extension to be disbaled
[20:02] <Noor_egy> hello all the application that installed from snap not work because of the permissions how could i solve that ?
[20:03] <CookieM> ok, I know about that. 66.0.4 is due to be released shortly, according to #firefox here on freenode
[20:06] <OerHeks> 66.0.3 started to accept plugins again
[20:07] <OerHeks> it has a background update mechanism, some are worried about that
[20:07] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1827717
[20:09] <westor> yeah you can see them about:studies
[20:09] <qwebirc95665> jeff_j i found something: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vKrxPTb6PV/
[20:10] <jcotton> the study is a hotfix
[20:10] <jcotton> Mozilla is working on a more formal patch
[20:10] <ifvoid> yeah, I just enabled the studies, but so far it hasn't installed anything
[20:11] <jcotton> for me on Windows restarting FF made it pick up the study
[20:11] <jeff_j> Where is this error from?
[20:11] <qwebirc95665> ./var/log/messages
[20:12] <Noor_egy> hello how could i make apps installed from snap acces my hard driver ??!
[20:13] <Noor_egy> all of it dont ACCESE
[20:13] <Noor_egy> acceses it
[20:13] <jcotton> I believe Mozilla said you can also disable studies after the fix is applied
[20:13] <jcotton> if that matters to you
[20:14] <JohnGavr> Noor_egy, i can't understand your question
[20:14] <jeff_j> So you tried to access the GUI session/
[20:14] <Noor_egy> any application i installed from Snap Store suddenly not work or dont have access to my hard disk JohnGavr:
[20:15] <jeff_j> Noor_egy, you might need to chmod the folder/.snap iamge
[20:15] <jeff_j> image*
[20:15] <JohnGavr> Noor_egy, have you try via terminal?
[20:15] <Noor_egy> no software center
[20:15] <ifvoid> ah, here it is
[20:16] <JohnGavr> snap install <package name>
[20:16] <qwebirc95665> yes i tried via crtl way and via sudo chvt 1
[20:16] <JohnGavr> i never use Stores because sometimes have bugs. Terminal never
[20:17] <ducasse> Noor_egy: you know snaps are sandboxed, right? they're not intended to access all areas of your filesystem
[20:17] <jeff_j> I read somewhere about "tracker-extract[822]: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Keine Berechtigung.  dconf will not work properly.", here the uid given to you is 1000, it needs to be less than 500 something
[20:18] <Noor_egy> ducasse: no and i want it to access all area on my harddisk
[20:18] <ducasse> Noor_egy: thats not how they work
[20:18] <qwebirc95665> what does that mean?
[20:18] <jeff_j> org.gnome.baobab[760]: Xlib:  extension "XInputExtension" missing on display ":1"., try turning off all extensions from gsettings, you can search how to turn off extensions through gsettings
[20:19] <Noor_egy> but if i want to access files in other partions
[20:19] <ducasse> Noor_egy: mount them under /media, many/most snaps can access that
[20:20] <Noor_egy> umm it seems i will use normal repositries :)
[20:20] <ducasse> you probably should
[20:21] <Noor_egy> ok thank you i thought frist i have propleme with my ubuntu about permission but finnally i realised it not
[20:22] <Noor_egy> and is ubuntu-make same like snap ?
[20:22] <qwebirc95665> i tried gsettings, it seems to have something to do with keys and key-schemas, ther is nothing in the man for disable something
[20:23] <ducasse> Noor_egy: not if it's a regular .deb package in the apt repos
[20:23] <Noor_egy> but it have latest versions from softwares true ?
[20:24] <ducasse> i don't know, i don't use it
[20:24] <jeff_j> try : gsettings get org.gnome.shell enabled-extensions
[20:24] <qwebirc95665> @as []
[20:25] <qwebirc95665> gnome-session => Beendet (terminated)
[20:25] <jeff_j> So you are remotel desktoping to a server and you installed gnome to it and you are trying to log in?
[20:25] <qwebirc95665> i try to see the desktop enviroment
[20:26] <jeff_j> If you restart, it should load the GUI login screen?
[20:26] <Noor_egy> thank you ducasse:  :)
[20:27] <AppXprt> Hey, after trying to install amdgpu-pro 19.04, my package manager is borked: https://pastebin.com/xdpVESG8
[20:27] <ducasse> Noor_egy: you're welcome
[20:27] <qwebirc95665> the plan is it should only load if i say to the server via ssh tightvncserver and some other command
[20:27] <qwebirc95665> so it should not run all the time$
[20:27] <jeff_j> AppXprt which kernel are you running?
[20:28] <AppXprt> 4.15.0-47-generic #50-Ubuntu
[20:28] <jeff_j> qwebirc why don't you ignore your rule while you are testing and see if it is possible to load the GUI at all?
[20:28] <AppXprt> ubuntu 18.04
[20:29] <qwebirc95665> @jiff_j thats the plan
[20:29] <jeff_j> AppXprt, do you need amdgpu-pro (propritary) drivers for any particular reason?
[20:29] <jeff_j> qwebirc, so why don't you restart the server?
[20:29] <qwebirc95665> i want to open the gui
[20:29] <AppXprt> yea apparently android emulator AVD isn't working without DRI
[20:30] <qwebirc95665> its rebooting
[20:30] <jeff_j> you can try the amdgpu open source stack, that is included in the kernel you are using
[20:30] <AppXprt> and well, I can't install anything with broken apt
[20:30] <jeff_j> qwebirc, it is rebooting into tty console and not gdm?
[20:30] <AppXprt> so how can I fix apt
[20:31] <AppXprt> I can't remove or install anything even with -f
[20:31] <qwebirc95665> @jeff_j i typed sudo reboot, i dont know
[20:31] <jeff_j> AppXprt, you can run the uninstall script as per instructions from the amd webpage
[20:31] <jeff_j> qwebirc, you need to do systemctl enable gdm,
[20:32] <jeff_j> and then reboot, and see if it loads to the gdm login screen
[20:32] <jeff_j> you could install sddm (sudo apt install sddm) and switch your manager to sddm, by doing systemctl disable gdm,  systemctl enable sddm and try again
[20:33] <AppXprt> LoL uninstall mentions a script that doesn't even exist: amdgpu-pro-uninstall
[20:34] <qwebirc95665> i am on the step with systemctl enable gdm, i got this message: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tThNhmRs7N/
[20:36] <jeff_j> do systemctl status gdm or systemctl status gdm.service
[20:36] <AppXprt> found uninstall script in /usr/bin but it gives same error as posted in pastebin
[20:36] <qwebirc95665> Active: active (running)
[20:37] <qwebirc95665> https://pastebin.com/0S6EMYTE
[20:37] <ducasse> AppXprt: remove the amdgpu packages with 'sudo dpkg -P packagename', then try 'sudo apt install -f'
[20:38] <imi> I have a plain textfile. it only contains "0" "1" " " and "\n" bytes. there's a space after every eighth digit and there's a linefeed at the end. nothing more. how do I convert this back to... you know... binary. it's funny how there is two things we call binary. long story short: how do I convert from binary to binary?
[20:38] <jeff_j> I think the better thing to do is, run the uninstall command,  amdgpu-pro-uninstall
[20:39] <jeff_j> imi you need to compile textfile to a binary
[20:39] <jeff_j> a textfile containing strings of '0' & '1' is not binary, it is a simple string
[20:40] <imi> jeff_j: it's like a hexdump. but it's a binary dump. how do I convert it back to bytes? hexdump would be converted back by xxd -r how do I do that for this file?
[20:40] <jeff_j> how did you get binary dump?
[20:41] <imi> jeff_j: over the internet
[20:41] <imi> supposed to be a joke
[20:41] <imi> maybe I'll just write a shell script
[20:42] <qwebirc95665> jeff how to open sddm?
[20:42] <imi> to do the decoding for me
[20:42] <jeff_j> qwebirc, systemctl enable sddm, systemctl start sddm
[20:43] <qwebirc95665> Job for sddm.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
[20:44] <jeff_j> Wonder what the error code is
[20:44] <jeff_j> look into journalctl -b
[20:44] <qwebirc95665> systemctl status sddm.service Process: 1625 ExecStartPre=/bin/sh -c [ "$(cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager 2>/dev/null)" = "/usr/bin/sddm
[20:45] <qwebirc95665> (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
[20:45] <jeff_j> qwebirc, do you have gdm3 or gdm?
[20:45] <qwebirc95665> gdm3
[20:45] <jeff_j> do systemctl status gdm3
[20:46] <qwebirc95665> Active: active (running)
[20:46] <jeff_j> look into /etc/gdm3/custom.conf
[20:47] <jeff_j> i.e. cat /etc/gdm3/custom.conf
[20:47] <imi> jeff_j: 01001000 01101111 01110111 00100000 01110111 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100100 01100101 01100011 01101111 01100100 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00111111 00001010
[20:47] <qwebirc95665> there is no such file
[20:47] <qwebirc95665> ther is only daemon.conf  greeter.dconf-defaults  Init  PostLogin  PostSession  PreSession  Xsession
[20:48] <jeff_j> imi you need to find out how to compile a text file containing binary strings to binary, maybe you might need to write a small script in C or python and compile it
[20:48] <jeff_j> using gcc make
[20:48] <jeff_j> look into Init and daemon.conf
[20:48] <jeff_j> also so systemctl restart gdm3
[20:49] <qwebirc95665> deamon: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/K2NGmTcHmt/
[20:49] <qwebirc95665> in init is a file called defauld
[20:50] <qwebirc95665> restarted
[20:50] <imi> jeff_j: ok, np, I thought there might be a ready made unix command for that. thank you anyways
[20:50] <jeff_j> imi there might be, but I don't know of it
[20:51] <jeff_j> imi look here : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13127113/how-to-convert-a-binary-file-to-a-string-of-zeroes-and-ones-and-vice-versa
[20:51] <jeff_j> there is a section to convert binary string back to binary
[20:52] <jeff_j> qwebirc, in the daemon.conf, uncomment the #WaylandEnable=false and save it
[20:52] <jeff_j> also what is in your /etc/default/ folder?
[20:54] <qwebirc95665> anacron       bsdmainutils   crda  grub      locale      nss      speech-dispatcher avahi-daemon  cacerts        cron  hwclock   minissdpd   rsyslog  ssh bluetooth     console-setup  dbus  keyboard  networking  saned    useradd
[20:55] <jeff_j> i think in /etc/gdm3 or /etc/sddm, there could be a custom.conf file that has settings which are read at every boot
[20:56] <jeff_j> in that file, you need to uncomment Wayland = false line, and perhaps also the line that asks to capture the log
[20:56] <jeff_j> I must go now, I hope you find a solution
[20:56] <jeff_j> bye all
[20:56] <qwebirc95665> bb thx
[21:01] <Delemas> Anyone found a PPA with Firefox 66.0.4 for Ubuntu Cosmic. All extensions broken in current 66.0.3 package due to cert expiry.
[21:02] <Delemas> That should have been ended with ?
[21:03] <tomreyn> Delemas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1827727
[21:04] <tomreyn> see the bottom of the page where some workarounds are discussed
[21:07] <qwebirc88348> How can i male a ntfs boot partition go into grub to boot is there a termimal command for that
[21:08] <Delemas> I'm aware but that doesn't help. I'm looking for the 66.0.4 package... Sounds like no one has made it yet...
[21:09] <tomreyn> Delemas: i don't think it's released, yet
[21:09] <Delemas> Having your primary browser suddenly be useless causes a big mess.
[21:09] <tomreyn> Delemas: there are workarounds, as discussed on this bug report i pointed you to
[21:10] <Delemas> Yes half measures unfortunately the release is required.
[21:10] <tomreyn> qwebirc88348: are you saying your /boot is an NTFS?
[21:11] <Noor_egy> when i try to install snapd it give me those line in terminal https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cc28WN9gvG/
[21:11] <Noor_egy> whats wrong
[21:12] <tomreyn> Delemas: once 66.0.4 is released by Mozilla, there will probably be a snap first of all, then a 66.0.4 release via apt in a couple days, maybe a week.
[21:12] <tomreyn> this is my personal rough guess, not a reliable prediction
[21:13] <qwebirc88348> Yes
[21:13] <tomreyn> Noor_egy: whats the command you run, which ubuntu version is this? is it actually ubuntu?
[21:14] <Noor_egy> sudo apt install snapd tomreyn:
[21:14] <tomreyn> thanks for answering one of 3 questions so far.
[21:14] <Delemas> 66.0.4 is available for download from Mozilla now.
[21:15] <Noor_egy> sorru ubuntu veresion is 18.04
[21:15] <Noor_egy> and yes its ubuntu
[21:15] <Noor_egy> tomreyn: sorry didnt mean to be slow in answer
[21:16] <tomreyn> Noor_egy: try this:  sudo apt update && sudo apt purge man-db && sudo apt install man-db
[21:16] <tomreyn> Noor_egy: discuss any error messages and warnings, or post the full output
[21:17] <qwebirc88348> Am going to extract windows 7 starter edition to a partiton that I shrank I formatted to NTFS & place Boot Flag I need to know after  done can I type a terminal command to place the NTFS Boot Partition in GRUB 2
[21:18] <Noor_egy> tomreyn: no error found
[21:19] <tomreyn> Delemas: ah right, i missed said link. so, since you consider the workarounds (works for me!) as incomplete, your options are to use Mozillas tar.gz builds now, wait for mozilla to push the https://snapcraft.io/firefox build, or wait for an ubuntu .deb
[21:19] <tomreyn> Noor_egy: so i guess you're fine then.
[21:19] <tomreyn> Noor_egy: cna you test whether the "man" command still works?
[21:20] <Noor_egy> ok i will remove snapd and install it again tomreyn:
[21:20] <Noor_egy> tomreyn:  its working
[21:21] <tomreyn> Noor_egy: i don't think you need to. the output you posted earlier really only had errors about man-db, no output about snap at all.
[21:21] <Delemas> tomreyn, the reports I read about the hotfix seem to have been wrong. It's working for me at the moment.
[21:21] <tomreyn> Delemas: it does for me, too.
[21:21] <Delemas> Or at least the reports don't apply to my setup...
[21:23] <Delemas> tomreyn, thanks for the help.
[21:23] <tomreyn> Delemas: you're welcome.
[21:26] <qwebirc88348> How to boot from other ntfs patitition using grub 2
[21:27] <OerHeks> an windows 7 iso .. i am not sure it can be done with ntfs, probably fat32.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[21:27] <OerHeks> not really an Ubuntu issue, and i think you need to do this on a seperate drive, not the drive to install windows 7 on
[21:31] <qwebirc88348> I will try both I hope first one will work
[21:40] <leonardus> Ever since upgrading from 18.10 to 19.04, I've had problems with VLC. When I double click a video in file manager, the VLC GUI doesn't open, but there's the traffic cone icon in the top-right status bar. When I click the icon and select "Quit" from the menu it doesn't go away. I have to send SIGKILL to get it to go away.
[21:41] <leonardus> Is this a known bug?
[21:41] <asenssy> hi there
[21:41] <OerHeks> leonardus, apt version or snap?
[21:42] <leonardus> How do I check?
[21:42] <asenssy> does someone know what key sequence to enter rommon mode on router
[21:42] <asenssy> with ubuntu
[21:42] <OerHeks> https://snapcraft.io/vlc
[21:42] <asenssy> it's packettracer simulation
[21:42] <El_Presidente> hi, I have a question about /proc/acpi/wakeup . If a device is enabled for "S4" does that include S3 as well?
[21:42] <OerHeks> apt-cache policy vlc
[21:44] <leonardus> https://termbin.com/32xj OerHeks
[21:44] <tomreyn> asenssy: this is a cisco question, not an ubuntu question
[21:44] <asenssy> yes it is
[21:44] <OerHeks> leonardus, via apt .. you could test the snap version, see if that is a fix
[21:45] <tomreyn> asenssy: alas it is off topic here.
[21:45] <OerHeks> they can both be installed same time
[21:46] <OerHeks> El_Presidente, not sure, its looks like it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirmwareTestSuite/Reference#S3_and_S4_Test_Specific_Options
[21:47] <leonardus> OerHeks: solved it, I just had to delete ~/.config/vlc
[21:47] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/S3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/S4
[21:47] <OerHeks> leonardus, oh? nice find
[21:47] <tomreyn> El_Presidente: please don't cross post
[21:48] <El_Presidente> ty for the links OerHeks
[22:03] <sere_> where is local /bin directory located? I have /home/$USER/bin but my scripts dont run unless i point to that directory
[22:04] <OerHeks> at the root /
[22:05] <OerHeks> oh, you have a private bin folder
[22:05] <sere_> I want it for the local user not su.
[22:05] <sere_> OerHeks: i thought it was /bin in the home directory
[22:05] <compdoc> theres a few bin directories
[22:06] <OerHeks> is it in your %path% ?
[22:06] <compdoc> but not normally in /home
[22:07] <sere_> OerHeks: i never exported anything to %patth% i assumed that it was already there like /root/bin
[22:08] <OerHeks>  echo $PATH
[22:09] <sere_> /home/sere/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin
[22:10] <sere_> OerHeks: its working :)
[22:21] <rahmad> hi
[22:21] <tonyt>  hi
[22:21] <rahmad> my first try
[22:22] <rahmad> where r u from
[22:23] <rahmad> welcome
[22:37] <AppXprt> OMG I had to manually purge all packages recursively to get newest amdgpu pro installed... even all the X11 stuff.. took over an hour
[22:38] <AppXprt> over 1500 packages
[22:39] <tomreyn> great, so now is the time to reinstall.
[22:40] <AppXprt> no it worked and I'm reinstalling everything back, didn't even have to reboot
[22:40] <AppXprt> LoL chrome isn't even installed anymore, but I'm still in it because it's running in ram
[22:40] <AppXprt> X11 isn't even installed but everything still running in RAM hahahaha
[22:40] <tomreyn> so you don'T actually have a support question then?
[22:40] <AppXprt> no desktop manager or even window manager
[22:40] <AppXprt> I did earlier but no one helped
[22:40] <AppXprt> amd gpu pro borked my package manager
[22:41] <tomreyn> we're all volunteers here, you know.
[22:41] <OerHeks> one would start with HWE, on 18.04, then amdgpu-pro
[22:42] <AppXprt> this was an upgrade from AMDGPU 18 to 19
[22:42] <tomreyn> and turn to amd for support with it, since it's not in ubuntu
[22:42] <AppXprt> not a standard install
[22:42] <OerHeks> oh oke, no use for a bugreport then
[22:43] <AppXprt> man none of you all listen at all and you think you know everything, this wasn't about AMD DRIVERS!
[22:43] <AppXprt> this was about fixing apt
[22:43] <AppXprt> I SAID BROKEN PACKAGE MANAGER
[22:43] <AppXprt> why does everyone here jump to major conclusions and assumptions?
[22:43] <AppXprt> you all have some serious issues...
[22:44] <AppXprt> one mention about amd, oh this is an ubuntu support channel
[22:44] <OerHeks> ...
[22:44] <AppXprt> yea and apt was completely broken, not amd drivers
[22:44] <AppXprt> yes amd drivers caused it, apt was still broken.............
[22:45] <AppXprt> I said AMD GPU pro and you jumped to, this isn't an AMD support channel... My issue wasn't even about the drivers....................
[22:46] <tomreyn> do you have a support request now, AppXprt ?
[22:46] <AppXprt> no because I fixed it myself since apparently everyone is is incompetent
[22:46] <AppXprt> here
[22:46] <tomreyn> good then please stop chatting here until you have.
[22:46] <tomreyn> this channel is really just about support.
[22:47] <AppXprt> you need to stop trying to "Support" people, because you're absolutely horrid
[22:47] <OerHeks> thanks, bye!
[22:47] <AppXprt> Here was the original issue: https://pastebin.com/EeGv0RC8
[22:48] <AppXprt> Do you see a broken package manager?
[22:48] <AppXprt> Who do I need to talk to about seeing that tomreyn doesn't jump to assumptions and conclusions about support questions?
[22:48] <OerHeks> did you update properly, apt full-upgrade ?
[22:49] <AppXprt> how would I do that with apt being broken?
[22:51] <AppXprt> So obviously we need real support people here who actually know what they're doing?
[22:51] <OerHeks> i think 18,04,2 is supported, not 19.,04 ?
[22:51] <AppXprt> this is 18.04.2
[22:52] <OerHeks> oke, just checking
[22:52] <wondows> haha this is not some sort of paid customer support channel or smth
[22:53] <EriC^^> "i demand a refund! oh wait, i never.. um nevermind"
[22:53] <tomreyn> To ignore AppXprt, please use     /ignore AppXprt
[22:53] <AppXprt> this answer is this in case this issue comes up... AMD 18 and 19 are both for Ubuntu 18.04... The AMD driver modules replace a lot of stuff including gl, x11, opencl libs... to upgrade from AMD 18.50 to 19.10 you have to purge all the 18.50 packages and library replacements, then install new
[22:54] <OerHeks> but you *do* have HWE installed?
[22:54] <OerHeks> !hwe
[22:54] <AppXprt> the problem is these libraries that are replaced are used by even more stuff, like the entire Desktop Environment and Window manager
[22:55] <AppXprt> I have mate-desktop-environment installed plus multiple packages use the libraries that AMD 18.50 replaces....
[22:55] <AppXprt> so I had to manually purge almost EVERYTHING in the system to install newer AMD 19.10 driver modules
[22:56] <AppXprt> there has to be a better way to do this...
[22:56] <AppXprt> I still haven't rebooted to see if it works because I'm afraid
[22:57] <AppXprt> I guess I'll see, screw you all
[22:57] <EriC^^> AppXprt: you could have used dpkg --force-all -r <package> to remove the libs without apt forcing you to remove the packages that
[22:57] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-18.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04 # and reboot would have done those actions too, i guess
[22:57] <EriC^^> oh gosh
[22:58] <OerHeks> but time to reboot, i don't know
[22:58] <EriC^^> ..that depended on the libs
[23:09] <stevendale> morning noobs
[23:10] <Chaekyung> why are you calling me the noob stevendale I'll have you know my SuperTuxKart ranking is in the top 200s
[23:11] <stevendale> Lol
[23:15] <jeremy31> stevendale Chaekyung take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:16] <e_linq> hello world
[23:19] <RoadRunner> software updater fails reporting a problem with internet connection
[23:20] <OerHeks> RoadRunner, is that the whole error? maybe an other thingy is using apt
[23:22] <RoadRunner> OerHeks: "Failed to download package files. Check your internet connection."
[23:24] <RoadRunner> OerHeks: if you have any ideas on what to check - please...
[23:24] <OerHeks> i hope it is not a trusty 14.04 machine
[23:24] <RoadRunner> 16.04
[23:25] <RoadRunner> a machine that was updated from 14.04 to 16.04 quite some time ago
[23:26] <OerHeks> so the machine has internet connection? browser or something
[23:27] <tomek171> Have you tried to use apt or aptitude directly instead of software updater?
[23:27] <RoadRunner> right now, browser, email, irc client are working fine (only updater fails) but earlier today nothing could connec t to internet and I didn't change anything
[23:28] <RoadRunner> tomek171: haven't used apt or aptitude nor do I know what it does :)
[23:30] <RoadRunner> tomek171: ah, 'apt' sorry, didn't twig into what you where saying, no I didn't use it
[23:30] <OerHeks> open terminal: sudo apt update | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:30] <tomek171> open terminal and try this command: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:30] <OerHeks> or on 16.04 it would be apt-get?
[23:31] <RoadRunner> apt worked before on this machine
[23:31] <tomek171> apt-get should work too
[23:31] <OerHeks> jups
[23:42] <RoadRunner> tomek171: OerHeks: well tried both apt and apt-get  with both update and upgrade; some packages worked others like riot didn't. Tried Software Updater after all of that and it is still talking about an internet connection problem
[23:45] <tomek171> could you show error messages thrown by apt-get update and apt-get upgrade?
[23:53] <RoadRunner> tomek171: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gh3vjnRRCG/
[23:53] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/~spring/+archive/ubuntu/ppa is old
[23:55] <OerHeks> and the key for  riot.im should be in their howto
[23:56] <OerHeks> there seems to be packages https://packages.riot.im/debian/dists/xenial/
[23:57] <blckhll> hey guys - does anyone here creates or maintain packages for Ubuntu?
[23:58] <tomek171> RoadRunner: you can use apt-key and try again: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv C2850B265AC085BD && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade