[10:46] <M_aD> Can we include exfat-fuse and exfat-utils in the next release? I have a Sony audio player but i couldn't use the device and the sd-card at first. After installing exfat-fuse and it's dependency exfat-utils, they auto mounted and i was able to put files on it. Would be great if we have it working ootb.
[14:23] <Eickmeyer> M_aD: Good question. I also want to look into including OBS. afaik not even stock Ubuntu carries exfat.
[14:27]  * Eickmeyer goes asking around.
[14:32] <M_aD> since both are in the repos i don't see a issue. Or don't we have the freedom to add/remove what we want?
[14:36]  * M_aD will be back later
[14:41] <Eickmeyer> M_aD: Here's the answer I got, and it appears to be an ongoing discussion. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exfat-utils/+bug/1649537
[14:43] <Eickmeyer> Basically, it's not a good idea for licensing/patent reasons, but that's the part of the discussion that is ongoing.
[16:52] <M_aD> Eickmeyer: i just read through it, thanks and understood :)
[17:48] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Got that crash, not sure what happened. Controls won't start. Not sure if this is a bug, or what's going on here.
[17:48] <Eickmeyer> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3jnjvQRtz4/
[17:52] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Nevermind, looks like I was missing python3-jack-client. Installed, will add to deps.
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> Added and pushed.
[18:00] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I like the indicator, but in materia it's hard to read as it is grayed-out as if it were a button or something.
[18:09] <OvenWerks> I think that is more text size?
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> Perhaps, that might help.
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> And, uh, oops, looks like I omitted a comma.
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> I'll screenshot it.
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: https://imgur.com/a/7PPdK5P
[18:16] <Eickmeyer> The text looks like that when it's running too.
[18:18] <OvenWerks> Ya, the text stays the same.
[18:18]  * OvenWerks needs to find a LED indicator.
[18:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: leaving that aside how are other things?
[18:21] <Eickmeyer> Other than that, it works great. No issues here.
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> Well, once I added the python3-jack-client package, that is. :P
[18:22] <OvenWerks> I need to get some more things done so I can commit my current work and then rebase over master.
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> Ok
[18:22] <OvenWerks> I do not know why I didn't have to, I must already be using it elsewhere
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Well, nobody else should be running into that. Added as a dep.
[18:23] <OvenWerks> Thank you.
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> Hey, that's why I'm here, right? ;)
[18:24] <OvenWerks> Gotta have someone to test
[18:24] <Eickmeyer> Yep. I can't code, but I can test and package.
[18:24]  * OvenWerks is reading the school long range facilities Plan 2018 - 2027
[18:25] <OvenWerks> lots of "should" and "could"
[18:26] <Eickmeyer> Yikes. If that's anything like stuff here in the states, then I can only imagine the thickness of that plan.
[18:26] <OvenWerks> Im on page 36 of 52
[18:27] <Eickmeyer> Here, 52 pages would just be the summary.
[18:27] <OvenWerks> my wife in the mean time is taking an online "wound management" course
[18:28] <Eickmeyer> Heh, interesting.
[18:28] <OvenWerks> she is a practicing nurse, this is an upgrade/scope of practice increase.
[18:28] <Eickmeyer> Oh, good for her!
[18:29] <OvenWerks> And generally good to know stuff anyway.
[18:29] <Eickmeyer> Indeed.
[18:29]  * OvenWerks gets to see the gory pics as well :P
[18:36] <OvenWerks> one of our schools is running at 179% cap...
[18:40] <Eickmeyer> YIKES! That's not good. The new high school that was built in my parents' area, to replace the one I went to, was already at 110% cap when it opened. Failure to forecast is a conastant in government.
[18:41] <OvenWerks> Oh it's not really, there are two schools on the same property and they share classrooms (el and mid) so the overall is under 100%
[18:42] <OvenWerks> The school my son is going to (middle school) went from 7-9 to 6-9 and the local el went from k-6 to k-5 for the same reason.
[18:44] <OvenWerks> The midlle/high schools show lower percentages but I am thinking that they are also including "special use" class rooms like cooking, wood work and metal work in those numbers.
[18:45] <OvenWerks> Those rooms may not be able to have 90% usage and yet still need to be there.
[18:46] <Eickmeyer> I guess I should restate then. Failure to forecast is a constant in Washington State's government.
[18:47] <OvenWerks> It is a problem here too. It is also a matter of making the best use of facilities
[18:50] <OvenWerks> whatever happens, all secondary schools are a bus ride away so my yomger son will have to learn bussing the year after next.
[18:50] <OvenWerks> I think we have to pay for it too :P
[18:50] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. The schools where I live have free bus service, and even though it's a short drive, I have my son take the bus to school every morning. I get him in the afternoon.
[18:51] <Eickmeyer> I find it funny. When I go into #ubuntu-release or #ubuntu-devel, even if there's an active conversation, if I ask for a MOTU to look at lsp-plugins they all scatter.
[18:51] <OvenWerks> :)
[18:52] <Eickmeyer> I can see them all looking at each other, putting their fingers on their noses, saying, "Nose goes!"
[18:52] <OvenWerks> A short statement to that effect would be "polite"
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> Agreed.
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> The room just goes completely quiet and stays like that for hours after I do that.
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> "Erich Eickmeyer: Thread Killer"
[18:54] <OvenWerks> so that means yes we know it needs to be done, but none of us wants to take it on.
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> Exxxactly.
[18:55] <Eickmeyer> It's not even a complicated package. Yet, I think people are in shell shock after Carla, which was a gigantic bit of work.
[18:55] <Eickmeyer> I feel like I'm doing pretty good when I package something and lintian has nothing to say about it.
[18:57] <OvenWerks> --pedantic?
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> Even pedantic has nothing to say!
[18:57] <OvenWerks> Is it in debian?
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> Nope.
[18:58] <OvenWerks> Oh, no MM maintaner there
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> It has also been brought to my attention that MuseScore is out of date. Yet, for some reason, I still get MM emails about people doing stuff with MuseScore 2 when 3 has been out for over a year.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> Oh, nm, not over a year. January, as I look at github.
[19:07] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I think a policy of keeping sw that is ahead of debian/ubuntu in our back port PPA even the same day as release might make sense.
[19:07] <OvenWerks> ubuntu has a debian first attitude
[19:08] <OvenWerks> debian is slow... adding the Studio backports as part of install may make sense.
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I'm looking at it and Thorsten Glaser is the maintainer for MuseScore, he's active.
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> Looks like he has a package for MuseScore 3 in experimental.
[19:08] <OvenWerks> Or adding the add ppa button to -controls as well as installer.
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> Let's keep the ppa button in installer since it's the... installer. 
[19:09] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I am taking Yf and son out so have to get ready.
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> Okay, have fun. o/