[01:07] <Sati> Hello all. I have xubuntu 18.10 and I received info about possible update to 19 however the window says it's just ubuntu not xubuntu. Is this fine or this would crash my system completely?
[01:08] <Unit193> That's saying the base system, Ubuntu.  The upgrader handles Xubuntu differently, but it doesn't know about the Xubuntu specific release announcements.  That's fine to upgrade.
[01:09] <Sati> @Unit193 thanks for reply. I am quite new to linux. So just to be sure, after I click upgrade and download I will have 19.04 xubuntu?
[01:10] <Unit193> Unless something goes wrong, yes you should.
[01:10] <Sati> Thank you!
[02:39] <Sati> I've downloaded the 19.04 update for xubuntu from 18, but not yet restarted because the window is asking me now if I want to keep some "no longer needed" packages(200+) and briefly looking there, there are few packages with xfce name(for eg. xfce quick-launcher-plugin) and I wonder what should I do, to keep them or it's really "not needed"?
[02:43] <Unit193> qucklauncher was removed from the archives, so that one is good to go at least.  I can't say for certain, but I'd guess most of those packages start with 'lib'?
[02:43] <Sati> yes
[02:43] <Sati> and there are few(10-20) with x11 description
[02:45] <Sati> another example of some xfce files orange, orange-data
[02:45] <Unit193> orage is good to go as well.
[02:45] <Unit193> So, seems fairly harmless.
[02:45] <Sati> Ok, thank you @Unit193 once again for clarification
[02:46] <Unit193> Sure thing, happy to help.
[02:46] <Sati> then I restart, hoping to see you again soon :)
[03:22] <Sati_> @Unit193 It went without problems, thanks. Only the xubuntu background when system starts, etc. is black instead of blue.
[03:23] <Sati_> xubuntu loading background
[03:26] <Unit193> I believe that's as planned.
[06:07] <lisbeths> I love how easily customizable xubuntu is: https://imgur.com/a/dLMIMzr
[06:15] <Iolo> lisbeths, you monster.
[06:29] <gnrp> haha, nice. Just the widescreen doesn't fit
[06:35] <lisbeths> it's barely noticeable
[06:35] <lisbeths> I got the start button to work by actually making it part of the wallpaper and I have a second panel that is transparent for the whiskermenu
[06:35] <lisbeths> the issue is that when I hover over the button on the second panel it turns blue from the greybird theme
[06:36] <lisbeths> so I need to edit the greybird theme so when you hover over that style of button it is translucent
[06:36] <lisbeths> I've been considering adding powershell to it too
[06:36] <gnrp> how much time did you spend on this? Oo
[06:37] <gnrp> also: Can you go full disgusting mode and skin it like Windows 10? Including the ads in the start menu? :P
[06:37] <lisbeths> Well I like to take xfce and try to make it look exactly like other operating systems
[06:37] <lisbeths> I've made it look like mac osx, elementary os, gnome 3, mate, lxde, cinnamon, and kde
[06:38] <lisbeths> And one day I want to write a piece of software that swaps between these instantly to show off how versatile xfce is. So you press a button and boom it looks like mac osx. Press another button and boom it's gnome 3
[06:38] <gnrp> hehe
[06:38] <lisbeths> The issue is that mac osx and windows xp are copyrighted
[06:38] <gnrp> do you have the screenshots of all that collected somewhere?
[06:38] <lisbeths> So as a disclaimer I will leave a warning that says "don't do this to make it look like windows xp. That's illegal
[06:39] <lisbeths> No I don't have screenshots but I can show you how to do it
[06:39] <lisbeths> It's basically as easy as playing with the panel and changing the buttons and colors
[06:39] <lisbeths> and there is this dock called either docky or plank I don't remember which and that can copy like the unity theme or the gnome 3 or mac theme
[06:40] <lisbeths> But I've riced out xfce to look 100% exactly like elementary os
[06:41] <lisbeths> To me if xfce can look 100% exactly like gnome or kde then why do gnome or kde exist?
[06:41] <lisbeths> It's like canonical should make xfce the mainline ubuntu because it does more with less ram
[06:41] <gnrp> well, because gnome and kde is more than just the look
[06:42] <lisbeths> like wut?
[06:42] <gnrp> Even though I don't like to use any of the two, there is a good reason for that
[06:42] <gnrp> it is the overall environment. Not only the looks, also the feel. And all the tools surrounding
[06:42] <gnrp> xfce is very minimal, you have a small handful of tools
[06:43] <lisbeths> I don't think of xfce as minimal I think of it as designed so well that it can be riced out with little effort or ram
[06:43] <gnrp> kde and gnome already provide all tools easy users use in their daily lifes (not saying they are good, but they are there)
[06:43] <lisbeths> One thing I've realized is it is very trivially easy to make a new virtual desktop and put panels on int with buttons that run arbitrary shell commands
[06:44] <lisbeths> so this makes it very easy to make a gui that does stuff
[06:44] <gnrp> https://xfce.org/projects vs. https://www.gnome.org/technologies/ vs. https://kde.org/applications/
[06:44] <gnrp> I mean, the KDE applications category alone is already as many projects as xfce has all in all ;)
[06:46] <gnrp> sorry, wrong link for gnome, it is this one here: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects
[06:46] <lisbeths> I just don't see the virtue in kde or gnome. Xfce has been relatively untouched for the last 6+ years and still can do everything all of these other ones can do
[06:46] <gnrp> you also should not forget that without gnome, no gtk, and no gtk, no xfce
[06:47] <gnrp> by far not. The window manager can maybe, yes (although I doubt that, gnome shell is quite powerful). But the overall project not.
[06:47] <gnrp> I mean, xfce has no web browser, no office suite, etc.
[06:48] <lisbeths> I don't consider those applications to be part of gnome/kde but merely also produced by those projects
[06:48] <gnrp> xfce is a window manager and file manager and all the stuff around (settings management, task bar, etc.)
[06:48] <lisbeths> In my mind xfce is the future because it does more with less more easily
[06:49] <gnrp> well, they are part of the desktop environment, you cannot neglect that. They provide the overall gnome/KDE look and feel inside the applications, where with xfce, you have quite a mixture
[06:49] <gnrp> in my mind the linux desktop is not the future, no matter how I try to turn it around... ;-)
[06:49] <lisbeths> I am just a diehard xfce fan I guess. The ultimate mix of versatility and filesize
[06:50] <gnrp> I agree with that. Although xfce could also be a bit slimmer tbh
[06:50] <gnrp> anyway, time to go to work, cu
[12:39] <Tuno> Hi anyone speak spanish?
[12:39] <Tuno> I try to explain in english my problem whit xubuntu
[12:40] <diogenes_> !es | Tuno
[12:41] <Tuno> the battery administraitor show me always 100 percent of charge
[12:42] <Tuno> it have the driver and give de name and info of the baterry but ever show 100percent
[12:48] <Tuno> anyone know what can i do?
[12:51] <pmjdebruijn> Tuno: for a laptop?
[12:53] <pmjdebruijn> Tuno: is your laptop a very recent model?
[12:55] <pmjdebruijn> Tuno: which version of xubuntu are you using? 16.04 18.04 18.04.1 18.04.2?
[12:55] <pmjdebruijn> Tuno: what does 'uname -a' show when you into it into a Terminal Emulator
[12:58] <pmjdebruijn> and 'ls -l /sys/class/power_supply'
[12:58] <pmjdebruijn> Tuno: ???
[12:58] <Tuno> Netbook Asus eeepc i m using 18.04.2
[12:59] <pmjdebruijn> there are many EEE PC types... but all of fairly old I guess
[13:00] <Tuno> 1015pe is the model of asus eee
[13:00] <Tuno> 2g Ram 500gb hd micro intel atom
[13:02] <pmjdebruijn> Tuno: what do the two command I said show?
[13:05] <Tuno> Linux Tuno-1015pe 4.18.0-18
[13:05] <Tuno> generic - 19 18.04.1 ubuntu smp
[13:06] <Tuno> fri april 5 2019 i686
[13:06] <pmjdebruijn> try 'cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/uevent', and put that on pastebin
[13:07] <pmjdebruijn> and
[13:07] <pmjdebruijn> 'dmesg | grep -i battery'
[13:07] <Tuno> pastebin?
[13:07] <pmjdebruijn> pastebin.com
[13:08] <Tuno> this two comand i have put into pastebin.com
[13:09] <Tuno> save the file and restar?
[13:09] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[13:11] <Tuno> my english isn t very wel
[13:12] <pmjdebruijn> execute those commands, and put the result on pastebin.com, then reply the resulting pastebin.com link back here
[13:18] <Tuno> i do it in the asus netbook but now it shut down i need find 220v
[13:19] <Tuno> the result cant copy to here because i m whit me phone
[13:20] <Tuno> in the first command give me the same info that a grafic
[13:20] <Tuno> administraitor energy
[13:21] <Tuno> ever 100 percent
[13:21] <pmjdebruijn> for that to make sense we'd really need a perfect copy-paste
[13:22] <Tuno>  in a few moments i return whit the info
[13:23] <pmjdebruijn> I can't promise a solution of course, but at least we might get an understanding of where the problem lies
[13:25] <Tuno> all rigth thank very mucho
[14:07] <Tuno> hi i m here again
[14:07] <Tuno> POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=BAT0 POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Discharging POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1 POWER_SUPPLY_TECHNOLOGY=Li-ion POWER_SUPPLY_CYCLE_COUNT=0 POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MIN_DESIGN=14032000 POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=65535000 POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=1000 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=4300000 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=4200000 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=4200000 POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=100 POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY_LEVEL=Normal POWER_SUPPLY_MODEL_NAME=1015PE
[14:08] <Tuno> POWER_SUPPLY_MANUFACTURER=ASUS POWER_SUPPLY_SERIAL_NUMBER=    [    1.742828] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present)
[14:08] <Tuno> [    1.742828] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present)
[14:09] <Tuno> this is the other comand
[14:13] <pmjdebruijn> Tuno: considering that your battery should actually be ful
[14:16] <Tuno> but the battery is empty. now it be whit de red light cliping.
[14:17] <Tuno> ever show the battery full... show charge or descharge but ever battery ful
[14:23] <Tuno> i have win7 in other partition
[14:24] <Tuno> in win show the battery correctly
[14:41] <pmjdebruijn> I wonder if he had the latest BIOS in his system :(
[14:46] <ghosalmartin> i was in here yayday about a black screen booting issue to do with raid
[14:46] <ghosalmartin> it was being of secure boot
[17:20] <lisbeths> check dis https://imgur.com/a/QkYS7VK check out this
[17:58] <Spass> lisbeths, you tried, but that Greybird GTK/Xfwm theme doesn't fit too well, check this out ;) https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1230964/
[17:58] <Spass> (you can use Xfwm theme from that)
[18:04] <pmart> why are there so many notification area plugins in xfce-panel? Notification Area, Indicator Plugin, Status Notifier Plugin :)
[18:05] <pmart> they all seem to have same purpose
[18:05] <pmjdebruijn> presumably for plugin compatbility
[18:05]  * pmjdebruijn doesn't know for sure
[18:05] <pmart> which one is the "standard"? :)
[18:06] <pmjdebruijn> :D\
[18:08] <brainwash> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/StatusNotifierItem/
[18:09] <brainwash> the Notification Area is for classic tray icons
[18:10] <pmart> in what way classic?
[18:10] <brainwash> and Indicator Plugin can show Ubuntu indicators
[18:10] <brainwash> classic as in the old way
[18:10] <brainwash> something that has worked for many years
[18:11] <brainwash> apps like nm-applet can fall back to a classic tray icon
[18:11] <pmart> yes but what functionality is missing in the old way?
[18:12] <pmart> dropdown perhaps?
[18:12] <brainwash> idk
[18:12] <brainwash> it's a modern alternative
[18:12] <brainwash> it most likely gives the devs more freedom
[18:13] <brainwash> you can remove it and see if things still work for you
[18:13] <brainwash> same for Indicator Plugin
[18:14] <pmart> no I'm currently having all three occupied: gigolo in classic, pidgin in indicators :)
[18:14] <brainwash> in recent Xubuntu releases the Indicator Plugin is only used for the messaging indicator I think
[19:32] <pmart> so i've booted live xubuntu 19.04 from usb drive and it's great, is there a way to make changes i've made persistent now?
[20:05] <xubuntu_ghost> Hello, does anyone know how can I configure my system so the videos on web browsers play properly? Sounds its fine, its just the image that gets stuck.
[20:14] <brainwash> xubuntu_ghost: what have you tried so far?
[20:15] <brainwash> xubuntu_ghost: also, what hardware is that?
[21:02] <xubuntu_ghost> brainwash / I have tried only different browsers. I have an old toshiba satellite amd 240 CPU
[21:02] <brainwash> xubuntu_ghost: year?
[21:03] <brainwash> quite possible that the CPU is just too weak
[21:03] <xubuntu_ghost> 2011
[21:03] <xubuntu_ghost> It is a single core CPU, so it could be.
[21:03] <xubuntu_ghost> Downloaded files play just fine
[21:05] <brainwash> you could use an external video player for things like youtube or twitch.tv
[21:05] <brainwash> vlc or mpv + youtube-dl
[21:06] <brainwash> plenty of info on the internet
[21:07] <brainwash> xubuntu_ghost: same result when switching to 480p?
[21:08] <brainwash> I'd think that low res videos should work fine
[21:10] <xubuntu_ghost> They kinda do, I guess its my hardware . Thank alot mate
[22:21] <gnrp> hm, how can I disable in the xfce terminal that it makes the text italic instead of marking it with colors?
[22:22] <gnrp> I want text to be able to be bold, but not italic. Or just make the remote machine (or is it tmux in between?) not make highlighted text italic
[22:35] <xubuntu17i> I install xubuntu and now?