[01:07] Hello all. I have xubuntu 18.10 and I received info about possible update to 19 however the window says it's just ubuntu not xubuntu. Is this fine or this would crash my system completely? [01:08] That's saying the base system, Ubuntu. The upgrader handles Xubuntu differently, but it doesn't know about the Xubuntu specific release announcements. That's fine to upgrade. [01:09] @Unit193 thanks for reply. I am quite new to linux. So just to be sure, after I click upgrade and download I will have 19.04 xubuntu? [01:10] Unless something goes wrong, yes you should. [01:10] Thank you! === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [02:39] I've downloaded the 19.04 update for xubuntu from 18, but not yet restarted because the window is asking me now if I want to keep some "no longer needed" packages(200+) and briefly looking there, there are few packages with xfce name(for eg. xfce quick-launcher-plugin) and I wonder what should I do, to keep them or it's really "not needed"? [02:43] qucklauncher was removed from the archives, so that one is good to go at least. I can't say for certain, but I'd guess most of those packages start with 'lib'? [02:43] yes [02:43] and there are few(10-20) with x11 description [02:45] another example of some xfce files orange, orange-data [02:45] orage is good to go as well. [02:45] So, seems fairly harmless. [02:45] Ok, thank you @Unit193 once again for clarification [02:46] Sure thing, happy to help. [02:46] then I restart, hoping to see you again soon :) [03:22] @Unit193 It went without problems, thanks. Only the xubuntu background when system starts, etc. is black instead of blue. [03:23] xubuntu loading background [03:26] I believe that's as planned. [06:07] I love how easily customizable xubuntu is: https://imgur.com/a/dLMIMzr [06:15] lisbeths, you monster. [06:29] haha, nice. Just the widescreen doesn't fit [06:35] it's barely noticeable [06:35] I got the start button to work by actually making it part of the wallpaper and I have a second panel that is transparent for the whiskermenu [06:35] the issue is that when I hover over the button on the second panel it turns blue from the greybird theme [06:36] so I need to edit the greybird theme so when you hover over that style of button it is translucent [06:36] I've been considering adding powershell to it too [06:36] how much time did you spend on this? Oo [06:37] also: Can you go full disgusting mode and skin it like Windows 10? Including the ads in the start menu? :P [06:37] Well I like to take xfce and try to make it look exactly like other operating systems [06:37] I've made it look like mac osx, elementary os, gnome 3, mate, lxde, cinnamon, and kde [06:38] And one day I want to write a piece of software that swaps between these instantly to show off how versatile xfce is. So you press a button and boom it looks like mac osx. Press another button and boom it's gnome 3 [06:38] hehe [06:38] The issue is that mac osx and windows xp are copyrighted [06:38] do you have the screenshots of all that collected somewhere? [06:38] So as a disclaimer I will leave a warning that says "don't do this to make it look like windows xp. That's illegal [06:39] No I don't have screenshots but I can show you how to do it [06:39] It's basically as easy as playing with the panel and changing the buttons and colors [06:39] and there is this dock called either docky or plank I don't remember which and that can copy like the unity theme or the gnome 3 or mac theme [06:40] But I've riced out xfce to look 100% exactly like elementary os [06:41] To me if xfce can look 100% exactly like gnome or kde then why do gnome or kde exist? [06:41] It's like canonical should make xfce the mainline ubuntu because it does more with less ram [06:41] well, because gnome and kde is more than just the look [06:42] like wut? [06:42] Even though I don't like to use any of the two, there is a good reason for that [06:42] it is the overall environment. Not only the looks, also the feel. And all the tools surrounding [06:42] xfce is very minimal, you have a small handful of tools [06:43] I don't think of xfce as minimal I think of it as designed so well that it can be riced out with little effort or ram [06:43] kde and gnome already provide all tools easy users use in their daily lifes (not saying they are good, but they are there) [06:43] One thing I've realized is it is very trivially easy to make a new virtual desktop and put panels on int with buttons that run arbitrary shell commands [06:44] so this makes it very easy to make a gui that does stuff [06:44] https://xfce.org/projects vs. https://www.gnome.org/technologies/ vs. https://kde.org/applications/ [06:44] I mean, the KDE applications category alone is already as many projects as xfce has all in all ;) [06:46] sorry, wrong link for gnome, it is this one here: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects [06:46] I just don't see the virtue in kde or gnome. Xfce has been relatively untouched for the last 6+ years and still can do everything all of these other ones can do [06:46] you also should not forget that without gnome, no gtk, and no gtk, no xfce [06:47] by far not. The window manager can maybe, yes (although I doubt that, gnome shell is quite powerful). But the overall project not. [06:47] I mean, xfce has no web browser, no office suite, etc. [06:48] I don't consider those applications to be part of gnome/kde but merely also produced by those projects [06:48] xfce is a window manager and file manager and all the stuff around (settings management, task bar, etc.) [06:48] In my mind xfce is the future because it does more with less more easily [06:49] well, they are part of the desktop environment, you cannot neglect that. They provide the overall gnome/KDE look and feel inside the applications, where with xfce, you have quite a mixture [06:49] in my mind the linux desktop is not the future, no matter how I try to turn it around... ;-) [06:49] I am just a diehard xfce fan I guess. The ultimate mix of versatility and filesize [06:50] I agree with that. Although xfce could also be a bit slimmer tbh [06:50] anyway, time to go to work, cu [12:39] Hi anyone speak spanish? [12:39] I try to explain in english my problem whit xubuntu [12:40] !es | Tuno [12:40] Tuno: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro. [12:41] the battery administraitor show me always 100 percent of charge [12:42] it have the driver and give de name and info of the baterry but ever show 100percent [12:48] anyone know what can i do? [12:51] Tuno: for a laptop? [12:53] Tuno: is your laptop a very recent model? [12:55] Tuno: which version of xubuntu are you using? 16.04 18.04 18.04.1 18.04.2? [12:55] Tuno: what does 'uname -a' show when you into it into a Terminal Emulator [12:58] and 'ls -l /sys/class/power_supply' [12:58] Tuno: ??? [12:58] Netbook Asus eeepc i m using 18.04.2 [12:59] there are many EEE PC types... but all of fairly old I guess [13:00] 1015pe is the model of asus eee [13:00] 2g Ram 500gb hd micro intel atom [13:02] Tuno: what do the two command I said show? [13:05] Linux Tuno-1015pe 4.18.0-18 [13:05] generic - 19 18.04.1 ubuntu smp [13:06] fri april 5 2019 i686 [13:06] try 'cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/uevent', and put that on pastebin [13:07] and [13:07] 'dmesg | grep -i battery' [13:07] pastebin? [13:07] pastebin.com [13:08] this two comand i have put into pastebin.com [13:09] save the file and restar? [13:09] huh? [13:11] my english isn t very wel [13:12] execute those commands, and put the result on pastebin.com, then reply the resulting pastebin.com link back here [13:18] i do it in the asus netbook but now it shut down i need find 220v [13:19] the result cant copy to here because i m whit me phone [13:20] in the first command give me the same info that a grafic [13:20] administraitor energy [13:21] ever 100 percent [13:21] for that to make sense we'd really need a perfect copy-paste [13:22] in a few moments i return whit the info [13:23] I can't promise a solution of course, but at least we might get an understanding of where the problem lies [13:25] all rigth thank very mucho [14:07] hi i m here again [14:07] POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=BAT0 POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Discharging POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1 POWER_SUPPLY_TECHNOLOGY=Li-ion POWER_SUPPLY_CYCLE_COUNT=0 POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MIN_DESIGN=14032000 POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=65535000 POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=1000 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=4300000 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=4200000 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=4200000 POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=100 POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY_LEVEL=Normal POWER_SUPPLY_MODEL_NAME=1015PE [14:08] POWER_SUPPLY_MANUFACTURER=ASUS POWER_SUPPLY_SERIAL_NUMBER= [ 1.742828] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present) [14:08] [ 1.742828] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present) [14:09] this is the other comand [14:13] Tuno: considering that your battery should actually be ful [14:16] but the battery is empty. now it be whit de red light cliping. [14:17] ever show the battery full... show charge or descharge but ever battery ful [14:23] i have win7 in other partition [14:24] in win show the battery correctly [14:41] I wonder if he had the latest BIOS in his system :( [14:46] i was in here yayday about a black screen booting issue to do with raid [14:46] it was being of secure boot [17:20] check dis https://imgur.com/a/QkYS7VK check out this [17:58] lisbeths, you tried, but that Greybird GTK/Xfwm theme doesn't fit too well, check this out ;) https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1230964/ [17:58] (you can use Xfwm theme from that) [18:04] why are there so many notification area plugins in xfce-panel? Notification Area, Indicator Plugin, Status Notifier Plugin :) [18:05] they all seem to have same purpose [18:05] presumably for plugin compatbility [18:05] * pmjdebruijn doesn't know for sure [18:05] which one is the "standard"? :) [18:06] :D\ [18:08] https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/StatusNotifierItem/ [18:09] the Notification Area is for classic tray icons [18:10] in what way classic? [18:10] and Indicator Plugin can show Ubuntu indicators [18:10] classic as in the old way [18:10] something that has worked for many years [18:11] apps like nm-applet can fall back to a classic tray icon [18:11] yes but what functionality is missing in the old way? [18:12] dropdown perhaps? [18:12] idk [18:12] it's a modern alternative [18:12] it most likely gives the devs more freedom [18:13] you can remove it and see if things still work for you [18:13] same for Indicator Plugin [18:14] no I'm currently having all three occupied: gigolo in classic, pidgin in indicators :) [18:14] in recent Xubuntu releases the Indicator Plugin is only used for the messaging indicator I think [19:32] so i've booted live xubuntu 19.04 from usb drive and it's great, is there a way to make changes i've made persistent now? === sorinello1 is now known as sorinello === GridCube_ is now known as GridCube [20:05] Hello, does anyone know how can I configure my system so the videos on web browsers play properly? Sounds its fine, its just the image that gets stuck. [20:14] xubuntu_ghost: what have you tried so far? [20:15] xubuntu_ghost: also, what hardware is that? [21:02] brainwash / I have tried only different browsers. I have an old toshiba satellite amd 240 CPU [21:02] xubuntu_ghost: year? [21:03] quite possible that the CPU is just too weak [21:03] 2011 [21:03] It is a single core CPU, so it could be. [21:03] Downloaded files play just fine [21:05] you could use an external video player for things like youtube or twitch.tv [21:05] vlc or mpv + youtube-dl [21:06] plenty of info on the internet [21:07] xubuntu_ghost: same result when switching to 480p? [21:08] I'd think that low res videos should work fine [21:10] They kinda do, I guess its my hardware . Thank alot mate [22:21] hm, how can I disable in the xfce terminal that it makes the text italic instead of marking it with colors? [22:22] I want text to be able to be bold, but not italic. Or just make the remote machine (or is it tmux in between?) not make highlighted text italic [22:35] I install xubuntu and now?