[00:58] <someball> hi, how can I open an undecorated window from the terminal?
[01:02] <someball_> Im back, did I miss any answers?
[02:13] <wagner> esse Lubuntu 19.04 ta bom d+
[02:13] <wxl> !en
[02:14] <wagner> I'm sorry
[02:15] <wxl> no problem. i'm sorry i can't speak more languages :/
[02:16] <wagner> as I was saying this Lubuntu 19.04 is wonderful!
[02:17] <wxl> i'm glad to hear it! in the american k-12 education system, a d+ is considered a very bad grade XD
[02:21] <wagner> My English is D +
[02:21] <wxl> hahahahah
[02:21] <wxl> you're doing better than my.... what's your langauge?
[02:22] <wagner> portuguese - Brazil
[02:22] <wxl> oh man i would have never guessed
[02:22] <wxl> i could see a small similarity to spanish but there were too few words to make anything out of it
[02:23] <wxl> you should have said more.. i'm sure i would have bumped into a cedilla eventually :)
[02:25] <wagner> kkk
[02:25] <wxl> anyways thank you for your kind comments
[02:25] <wxl> anything else you'd like to see us change or add in the near future?
[02:26] <wagner> If you speak in Spanish, you're already in good size
[02:26] <wxl> hehehhe
[02:26] <wxl> un poquito
[02:26] <wxl> we do have a spanish channel (#lubuntu-es)
[02:28] <wagner> I was in lubuntu 18 and I thought it was very ugly but in this new version it was beautiful and faster the team hit the fly this time
[02:29] <wxl> i have been a long time user of lubuntu and never really complained too much about tht elooks or the speed, but now that we have the lxqt version, i agree with you!!! :)
[02:32] <wagner> it is very perceptible the gain of speed, precisely because I am testing it in slow machines and really it is faster in this version
[02:32] <wxl> nice!
[02:34] <wagner> but the browser firefox is still slow to see videos from youtube, I installed the chrome and it is better to watch because it does not catch almost anything by the chrome
[02:34] <wxl> i find the modern web to be problematic and taxing on any system, honestly
[02:35] <wxl> however, i'm sure google has chrome optimized for their services (youtube, gmail, etc.)
[02:35] <wxl> have you tried falkon?
[02:37] <wagner> I do not know this falkon
[02:38] <wxl> !info falkon
[02:38] <wxl> it's a newer application from kde
[02:38] <wxl> we originally considered it for 18.10.. it's possible we might re-visit that discussion, but we were thinking that people would want to have a full featured browser. falkon is light and fast, though!
[02:44] <wagner> I believe people just like me are looking for a browser that plays the youtube videos well if you do that for sure the rest will work fine
[02:47] <wagner> although I am mumbling without much reason because I am testing the Lubuntu on a PC Well Weak AMD C-50 dual core 1200GHZ 2GB DDR3
[02:49] <wagner> I recently added a lot of 6 machines with this configuration and I would like to find a functionality for them, I was thinking of putting together a cluster but I'm not really sure how to proceed
[02:50] <wxl> oh a beowulf cluster would be fun
[02:50] <wxl> i've never done it though
[02:50] <wxl> i'm sure there's some cloud software you could use to pool resources
[02:50] <wxl> @teward001 you got any ideas?
[02:51] <wxl> i have to take off myself. nice talking to you wagner. please don't hesitate to stick around!
[02:54] <wagner> I would like to create a cluster to improve the performance for navigation and common tasks but from what I've been studying on the subject a cluster is more for divided tasks and not so much for one, I do not know if I'm right
[02:55] <wagner> I hope to see you again
[02:55] <wagner> tks
[04:27] <wxl> @tsimonq2: why are we using ark instead of lxqt-archiver?
[04:28] <lynorian> wxl how long has lxqt-archiever been around?
[04:28] <wxl> good question and oh i guess we should move this to -devel my bad
[04:56] <lynorian> sappheiros: thanks I messed that up somewhat
[04:56] <sappheiros> ?
[04:56] <sappheiros> what happened?
[04:57] <sappheiros> oh
[04:57] <sappheiros> the manual ? yw
[04:57] <lynorian> well I fixed something in the manual
[05:29] <DiscoDynamite> how to change folder icon lubuntu ?
[05:30] <DiscoDynamite> i have created a shortcut pointing to a directory in desktop, want to change the folder icon of this
[05:31] <wxl> what version?
[05:32] <DiscoDynamite> Latest version, 18 LTS
[05:33] <DiscoDynamite> https://askubuntu.com/questions/191777/custom-folder-icon-in-lubuntus-pcman-file-manager - tested this , i am unable to make it work
[05:35] <wxl> that's not exactly the latest version but ok XD
[05:37] <DiscoDynamite> i mean latest in LTS :D.  I know normal is version 19, with new sleek interface
[05:38] <wxl> so how did you create this shortcut to be clear?
[05:44] <DiscoDynamite> wxl, using terminal -->  ln -s /path_to_directory/MY_Music ~/Desktop/MY_Music
[05:45] <DiscoDynamite> where "MY_Music" is the directory name
[05:50] <wxl> doesn't seem to work for shortcut
[05:51] <DiscoDynamite> do i have any workaround
[05:51] <DiscoDynamite> or any other option
[05:51] <wxl> none that i know of
[05:53] <DiscoDynamite> Nautilus seems to have option, but i'm very much happy with lubuntu :)
[05:54] <wxl> YES there is a solution
[05:54] <wxl> use the latest version
[05:56] <DiscoDynamite> 19.04 ?
[05:56] <wxl> yep
[05:57] <diogenes_> DiscoDynamite, what's the issue?
[05:57] <DiscoDynamite> will take lots of time in re-configuring.
[05:57] <wxl> diogenes_: setting a custom icon on a soft link on the Desktop in 18.04
[05:58] <DiscoDynamite> also LTS is kind of safe bet fro me.
[05:58] <wxl> except that come 2021 you'll never be able to use LXDE in Lubuntu again
[05:58] <DiscoDynamite> yup that true
[05:59] <wxl> whereas LXQt carries on forever
[05:59] <wxl> also, LXDE development has long been virtually non-existence
[05:59] <wxl> while LXQt is constantly being developed
[05:59] <wxl> so the best long term "safe bet" is LXQt/19.04
[06:00] <DiscoDynamite> absolutely, LXDE is past now
[06:01] <DiscoDynamite> now i'm just being little lazy/scared to reconfigure everything after installing the new version
[06:01] <wxl> well the writing is on the wall. you're going to be doing it in a couple years at least XD
[06:02] <DiscoDynamite> diogenes_, do you have any suggestion in changing the shortcut icon ?
[06:02] <krytarik> DiscoDynamite: https://askubuntu.com/questions/221572/create-desktop-file-as-shorcut-to-a-folder-in-lubuntu-lxde/910538#910538 - if you just want to open the folder from the desktop or file browser, this would work.
[06:03] <diogenes_> DiscoDynamite, yeah try that ^
[06:03] <DiscoDynamite> wxl, yes true .. i think i should install that in VM and give it a run before installing in my daily use pc
[06:04] <DiscoDynamite> krytarik, thank for the link checking it now.
[06:14] <DiscoDynamite> that worked
[06:14] <DiscoDynamite> thanks 😊
[06:18] <DiscoDynamite> downloading Lubuntu 19.04 as well , thanks wxl for the suggestion
[06:19] <wxl> enjoy :)
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: why are we using ark instead of lxqt-archiver?], lxqt-archiver is still in Alpha
[15:44] <flyback> how do you tell the wifi app *NEVER* try another wifi ap, I don't care if you are on fire
[16:38] <sappheiros> quassel is still opening links in firefox
[16:38] <sappheiros> how do i make it falkon?
[17:05] <sappheiros> i've already changed HTML file association to falkon
[17:05] <sappheiros> don't know what else to do
[17:07] <diogenes_> sappheiros, what about link in terminal and hexchat?
[17:07] <sappheiros> diogenes_: i don't understand.
[17:08] <wxl> unset BROWSER, most likely
[17:08] <sappheiros> 'no manual entry for unset'
[17:08] <sappheiros> (i tried 'man unset')
[17:09] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53
[17:09] <wxl> unset is a bash reserved word. if you look at the bash manpage you'd find it.
[17:09] <wxl> lxqt-config sets it and it can cause all sorts of problems
[17:10] <sappheiros> [Environment]
[17:10] <sappheiros> BROWSER=firefox
[17:10] <wxl> after that, i'd do `xdg-settings set default-web-browser org.kde.falkon.desktop`
[17:10] <wxl> kill it with fire!
[17:10] <sappheiros> i can't change it in featherpad after navigating to it with pcman?
[17:11] <wxl> you need to do it as soon
[17:11] <sappheiros> ?
[17:11] <sappheiros> sudo?
[17:11] <wxl> also do `xdg-settings set default-url-scheme-handler http org.kde.falkon.desktop` and also for https
[17:11] <wxl> root is what i meant but yes same difference
[17:12]  * sappheiros gets nervous and thinks maybe opening firefox for quassel links isn't so bad ... ... ...
[17:12] <sappheiros> i'd try to follow instructions on mandriva linux and things would break
[17:12] <sappheiros> or ubuntu c. 2008
[17:12] <wxl> oh come on
[17:12] <wxl> it's not that scary :)
[17:12] <wxl> also remove it from $HOME/.config/lxqt/session.conf
[17:26] <fumbly_bumbly> sappheiros: you get it working? cuz i did. :)
[17:30] <diogenes_> Falkon rules!
[18:31] <akakaka> Hey can anyone tell me what thus is installing https://imgur.com/a/Vn6HXPZ
[18:31] <akakaka> U have live usb with Lubuntu
[18:32] <akakaka> when I open the Disk creator
[18:32] <akakaka> the Installing pop-ups immediately
[18:40] <wxl> akakaka: it's a known bug unfortunately.
[18:41] <teward> wxl: is disk creator the defunct thing from an eon ago, or `dus`/`guidus`?
[18:42] <akakaka> so it's not installing anything? :)
[18:42] <teward> 'cause I could have sworn the older general disk creator was replaced with dus/guidus
[18:42] <wxl> no, let me find that bug
[18:45] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/disco/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1629715
[18:45] <wxl> it's on my TODO list to get that fixed all the way back to xenial but i keep getting stuff thrown on top of the list :/
[18:48] <akakaka> ok thank you
[18:48] <akakaka> was worried its installing os over os
[18:48] <akakaka> :-)
[18:49] <wxl> hahahha well yeah not that one XD
[18:49] <teward> wxl: time to fix this in Eoan :P
[18:58] <sappheiros> =away
[18:58] <sappheiros> no, i got distracted
[18:59] <sappheiros> wxl: you said to execute `xdg-settings set default-web-browser org.kde.falkon.desktop` after something. what am i supposed to do before that?
 @wxl [<wxl> it's on my TODO list to get that fixed all the way back to xenial but i ke …], I am ready to do it if you have other more priority tasks. Right now trying to understand the #6 comment there. Let me know if you want me to work on it.
[19:09] <sappheiros> yes, xdg-settings get default-web-browser = firefox.desktop
[19:17] <sappheiros> how do i unset $BROWSER? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GMGbBZVn5Z/
[19:17] <sappheiros> wxl: ^
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I am ready to do it if you have other more priority tasks. Right now trying to u …], Wxl ^
[19:17] <teward> i think wxl saw the message :P
[19:17] <teward> and will see it when he's less busy :P
[19:17]  * sappheiros checks https://askubuntu.com/questions/79305/how-do-i-change-my-default-browser
[19:21] <sappheiros> should i not ping in this channel?
[19:21] <sappheiros> please see also https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Shhs3nm2y2/
[19:21] <sappheiros> i tried update-alternatives
[19:21]  * sappheiros checks https://askubuntu.com/questions/490255/no-manual-entry-for-unset
[19:24] <sappheiros> unset $BROWSER returned without any result; see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3qCWzMGK7h/ i tried sudo unset $BROWSER also
[19:25] <sappheiros> this is what i mean that linux still seems a "hobbyist OS" -- changing the browser an IRC client launches takes >10 minutes ...
[19:29] <sappheiros> just lxqt-config-session and changed firefox to usr/bin/falkon, still quassel opens links in firefox ...
[19:31] <sappheiros> ah, sudo lxqt-config-session , erased 'firefox' from default browser, this time when closing it says some things may not take effect 'til next sign in ...
[19:33] <sappheiros> augh, still didn't work
[21:16] <wxl> sappheiros: not sure insulting the work of others who are trying to help you for free is going to result in actions that meet your expectations
[21:17] <wxl> sappheiros: i mean, you're fully welcome to go use an operating system that is without bugs. i mean, there's lots of those, right?
[21:18] <sappheiros> o_o did i insult? i'm sorry if i did
[21:18] <sappheiros> was it the comment 'hobbyist OS'? I meant that it was an OS that required effort spent on the part of the user, not that there was anything wrong with the hobby
[21:19] <wxl> yes, because windows and os x are just flawless
[21:19] <wxl> they absolutely have no problems whatsoever
[21:19] <sappheiros> what did i say that was an insult? again i'm sorry, i didn't intend to
[21:19] <sappheiros> yes, i reported >400 problems with Windows 10 ...
[21:19] <wxl> so then it requires extra effort and is a hobbyist OS too, eh?
[21:20] <sappheiros> i was actually offended and felt cheated by Microsoft, telling myself i'd never buy another Microsoft product as long as their current CEO was there, that i had been duped into paying to be a beta tester
[21:20] <sappheiros> i think if you pay for a product, you shouldn't have to struggle with malfunctions
[21:21] <sappheiros> 2/3 of my reports to the windows feedback hub were upvoted by others who had the same problem, too
[21:21] <sappheiros> (i used surface pro 4 for my phd work)
[21:21] <wxl> and so logically if you DON'T pay for a product, you should have all the more reason to not have problems?
[21:21] <sappheiros> no, of course if you don't pay then you should put more effort into it
[21:21] <sappheiros> i did not mean 'hobby' as a bad thing
[21:22] <sappheiros> i meant like, instead of learning to play guitar, or studying some other topic, it required time spent learning linux/ubuntu
[21:22] <sappheiros> i did not mean to say anything offensive :(
[21:23] <wxl> look, the fact of the matter is that there's no such thing as perfect quality
[21:23] <wxl> not in software, paid or not, not in physical products, nothing
[21:23] <wxl> you WILL have problems
[21:23] <sappheiros> that's a good point.
[21:23] <wxl> the issue we're describing is a problem, which is why it has a bug report, which means we are aware of it and are working to fix it
[21:23] <sappheiros> oh. i thought i was just bad at computers.
[21:23] <sappheiros> i thought you had given the solution earlier, and i was bad at following it
[21:24] <wxl> i gave you a workaround
[21:24] <sappheiros> i read 'help unset' and tried various combinations of that command, but couldn't unset $BROWSER like you said
[21:24] <wxl> a band-aid over the real wound
[21:24] <wxl> does `echo $BROWSER` produce anything?
[21:24] <sappheiros> like unset -v $browser, sudo unset $BROWSER
[21:24] <sappheiros> yes: firefox
[21:25] <sappheiros> i tried to remove it via lxqt-config-session as i recall, didn't work
[21:25] <wxl> so just do `unset BROWSER`
[21:25] <wxl> no dollar sign
[21:25] <wxl> yeah lxqt is where the problem is
[21:25] <sappheiros> that returned the prompt with no message
[21:25] <wxl> yes, but it unsets it
[21:26] <sappheiros> now it's blank
[21:26] <sappheiros> i mean, i tried echo $browser again
[21:26] <wxl> i'll give you a clue: if you run a command and then do `echo $?` it will return a number that is the exit code. in general if you see a 0, that means it is successful
[21:26] <wxl> some commands return no actual output
[21:26] <sappheiros> now i'll try xdg-settings set default-web-browser org.kde.falkon.desktop
[21:27] <wxl> of course that doesn't necessarily apply in this case, but
[21:27] <sappheiros> i'm still getting: xdg-settings: $BROWSER is set and can't be changed with xdg-settings
[21:27] <wxl> did you remove it from the configuration files?
[21:32] <sappheiros> through lxqt-config in terminal?
[21:32] <sappheiros> file association (HTML) is already falkon and i don't know what else to do
[21:33] <wxl> ok i'm going to spell this out a little clearer
[21:34] <wxl>  1. run in terminal: `sudo nano /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/session.conf`
[21:34] <wxl>  2. arrow down to the line with BROWSER on it
[21:35] <wxl>  3. hit ctrl-k to cut the line
[21:35] <wxl>  4. hit ctrl-x to exit
[21:35] <wxl>  5. hit yes when asked to save the buffer
[21:35] <wxl>  6. run in terminal: `nano ~/.config/lxqt/session.conf`
[21:36] <wxl>  7. if there is a BROWSER line here, repeat steps 2-5, otherwise ctrl-x and no
[21:36] <wxl>  8. run in terminal: `unset BROWSER`
[21:36] <wxl>  9. run in terminal: `xdg-settings set default-web-browser org.kde.falkon.desktop`
[21:37] <wxl> 10. run in terminal: `xdg-settings get default-web-browser` and you should get org.kde.falkon.desktop. this would only fail if you didn't have it installed!
[21:37] <wxl> 11. to be really sure run this in terminal: `xdg-open http://lubuntu.me` and falkon will open
[22:54] <sappheiros> wxl: thanks for all you do btw
[22:54] <sappheiros> wxl: should i create an askubuntu question and post this solution to help future people?
[22:55] <wxl> sappheiros: you could if you want. i mean the solution *IS* written into the bug report
[22:58] <sappheiros> oh. did you link that earlier and i failed to click and read?
[22:59] <wxl> well
[22:59] <wxl> yes :)
[22:59] <sappheiros> D:
[22:59] <sappheiros> :(
[22:59] <sappheiros> sry
[22:59] <sappheiros> *Sorry about that.
[22:59] <wxl> all god
[23:00] <wxl> it's in the bug report. see the "bug description" under "workaround" heading https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/disco/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1629715
[23:00] <wxl> uh oh
[23:00] <wxl> hahahha
[23:00] <wxl> not that one!
[23:00] <sappheiros> do i need to restart or log out and back in?
[23:00] <sappheiros> i want to click a link here and see if it fixed it
[23:00] <wxl> nope
[23:01] <sappheiros> it worked! :D <3
[23:02] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-session/+bug/1824654
[23:02] <wxl> that one jeez
[23:03] <wxl> supposedly upstream has a fix in the works for this but i haven't seen it yet, so workaround it is until then
[23:13] <sappheiros> oh, i did open that and skim through it. didn't see the solution posted
[23:14] <sappheiros> oh, i see it now.
[23:14] <sappheiros> i didn't know about sudo nano though
[23:16] <wxl> i wasn't explicit about that
[23:16] <wxl> but know this: anything up the hierarchy from $HOME will require elevated privledges