[05:56] good morning desktopers [05:56] salut seb128, ça va? [05:56] lut jibel, ouais bien, et toi ? [05:57] bien bien, merci [05:59] Morning seb128, jibel [05:59] hey duflu, how are you? [06:00] seb128, considering I hardly slept, going OK. Expect to crash later. You? [06:00] oh :( [06:00] I feel good still so it's fine [06:01] I didn't sleep enough, got woken up at 4am and didn't manage to really get back to sleep :/ [06:01] let's see how the day goes [06:02] hi duflu [06:03] good morning [06:03] Morning didrocks [06:03] lut didrocks! comment ça va ? [06:04] salut didrocks [06:06] hey duflu, seb128, jibel [06:06] seb128: un peu mieux qu'hier niveau oreille (relativement parlant hein), et toi ? [06:07] ça va, me suis fait réveiller en milieu de nuit et j'ai eu du mal à me rendormir donc un peu fatigué ce matin [06:07] coffe is going to resolve it, no worry :) [06:08] heh [06:08] trevinho, stop unassigning andyrock from bugs please [06:08] Trevinho, I would prefer to be able to see what he assigned and find other owners for work we signed up for doing, rather than loosing the info [06:21] good morning desktoppers [06:24] salut oSoMoN [06:29] salut didrocks, ça va? [06:29] Morning oSoMoN [06:31] hey duflu [06:32] * oSoMoN -> school, bbiab [06:34] oSoMoN: ça va, et toi ? === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski [07:23] didrocks, très bien [07:42] good morning all [07:43] Morning marcustomlinson [07:48] morning marcustomlinson [07:53] morning all [07:53] Morning willcooke [07:53] afternoon duflu, how goes? [07:54] willcooke, good news in that I am now back to working on pre-Brussels work I hadn't finished [07:54] heh [07:54] How are you feeling now willcooke? [07:54] still not 100%, but getting better [07:54] I blame the plane [07:56] Yep [07:57] good morning willcooke [07:57] hi oSoMoN [08:01] hey willcooke [08:01] morning didrocks [08:03] yo thar [08:03] hey Laney, good Monday off? [08:05] hey didrocks [08:05] Morning Laney [08:05] yep, lazy one :> [08:06] yo duflu [08:09] Hey everyone [08:10] hey willcooke Laney [08:10] hey pieq [08:10] willcooke, do you feel better? [08:10] hi seb128, pieq [08:10] and Laney [08:10] I was playing with the grub menu configuration today and I was wondering why we don't have something a little bit more fancy in the live USB menu and later, if for instance the user has a dual boot or something like this [08:10] seb128, getting there, but still not cured. [08:11] :( [08:11] hey pieq [08:11] pieq, #ubuntu-devel might be a better channel to talk about grub, it's more foundation than desktop material [08:12] think those are generated statically, not sure how much scope there would be to do fancy dynamic stuff [08:12] but that channel indeed [08:12] moin willcooke seb128 [08:12] willcooke: you spent the bank holiday being sick? :'((((((((((( [08:12] seb128, thanks! [08:12] Laney, yeah, and a day I booked off on Friday [08:12] ahh [08:13] I think you could probably reclaim that day of PTO [08:13] https://www.gov.uk/taking-sick-leave second paragraph [08:13] thanks gov.uk [08:13] thov.uk [08:13] :) [08:28] Laney, whoo, that's pretty cool! [08:31] kenvandine, jamesh, Laney, marcustomlinson, weekly summary reminder (I know most of you had monday off, but you could have written it on friday! ;) [08:31] literally just hit submit :P [08:31] okay. [08:32] marcustomlinson, thx :) [08:32] jamesh, thx! [08:33] dunno about you but I'm not thinking about that on a friday [08:33] and yes, already writing it [08:34] I've seen the community hub notifying when people are writing posts [08:36] it does? [08:36] yeah, I'm usually not thinking about it on friday either, in theory we said in the team discussion that it can be written during the week and should posted before monday, so earlier in monday is off ... but it's minor don't worry [08:37] in practice we don't get much feedback/questions for the eastern people anyway [09:10] duflu, trevinho, looks like apport doesn't catch errors like https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1062 ... I wonder if we could make it aware of JS errors in some way [09:10] GNOME issue 1062 in gnome-shell "Crash for certain entries in org.gnome.clocks world-clocks" [1. Crash, Closed] [09:10] JS ERROR: TypeError: b.location.get_timezone(...) is null [09:10] seb128, not at all, or just not readable? [09:11] duflu, not at all, apport has no handler to catch those [09:11] I get nothing in apport.log or /var/crash when I hit that bug [09:11] which is expected, apport does handle coredumps [09:11] Hmm [09:11] there is none in that scenario [09:12] unsure how the pythong integration works but we would probably need something similar in js [09:12] seb128, the upstream bug suggests gnome-shell exits instead of crashing ("App 'org.gnome.Shell.desktop' exited with code 1") [09:12] right [09:12] still you get no session/way to log in [09:12] we would like to know about those issues [09:12] Yeah [09:13] or maybe gnome-shell should assert() rather than exit in those cases [09:13] I don't know enough about the topic to have an opinion on what is right [09:13] I'm going to add a trello card to our backlog though [09:14] seb128, looks like maybe GjsContextPrivate::eval ? [09:14] is exiting [09:15] could be, I didn't look into the code details [09:15] python has an exception hook that you can hang your code onto [09:16] could we do something similar to gjs? (and do we want apport noise for any js exception?) [09:16] anyway, probably not a technically discussion useful to have here/with me [09:16] I'm going to add that backlog card [09:17] dunno [09:17] seb128, I'm not entirely sure it's a good idea to automatically report those. errors.ubuntu.com will group ANY JS exception under the same error signature [09:17] would discuss that with ptomato [09:17] duflu, it's not true for python, the signature include the functions in the stacktrace? [09:17] you'd be able to set fields of the problem report as you wanted [09:17] This is JavaScript [09:18] the handler constructs the error report, given access to the exception [09:20] Ah yes, I forgot I had seen those [09:20] duflu, Laney, https://trello.com/c/FdmSCCH6/135-gnome-shell-exiting-on-a-js-error-doesnt-trigger-apport [09:21] thx [09:21] Cool. I was thinking the other day we still have some "crashes don't create crash reports" problems [09:23] trevinho, ^ that bug is probably worth doing another SRU upload imho, well I tagged it rls-dd-incoming so we can discuss it in the meeting later [09:23] but basically you add a world location and you get no way to log into your session anymore (unless you know how to go to a vt and reset the right gsettings key) [10:07] 19.04 is live in the Hyper V quick create gallery [10:07] good work kenvandine [10:08] :) [10:09] nice! [10:10] seb128: i posted mine 5 days ago :) [10:11] but that's not complete [10:15] kenvandine, good morning, thx :) [10:15] kenvandine, it failed? I see no post from you [10:35] Heh. It must be dinner time then [10:35] Night [10:35] see you duflu [11:04] Laney, trevinho, should we sync the new gjs 1.56 from experimental to eoan or did you want to stick on what we have for a bit to e.g facilate SRUs or something [11:05] no plans, syncing sounds good to me [11:05] thx [11:05] I more than half considered trying to do it for disco [11:06] but in the end moved away from it [11:06] :) [11:07] tjaalton, similar question for vulkan-loader, any reason to not sync the update from experimental? (did you put it there for stability reason or for unstable-frezze reasons)? [11:15] freeze reasons [11:15] no reason not to sync I think [11:16] seb128: ^ [11:16] tjaalton, thx, I'm syncing then :) [11:57] Hi oSoMoN, I noticed your update of chromium-browser which fixes bug #1825497. Are SRUs in pipeline? [11:57] bug 1825497 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "flash player does not work in chromium" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1825497 [12:15] GunnarHj, yes, they are ready and should hit the -security and -updates pockets soon [12:20] oSoMoN: Great, thanks! Looked in -proposed and the queues; not familiar with how security updates are accomplished. === cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer [13:30] k, that day and time again! [13:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-05-07 [13:30] Meeting started Tue May 7 13:30:49 2019 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [13:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/RHiGQXZJ/ubuntu-desktop-1904-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-05-07 | Current topic: [13:31] Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [13:31] \o [13:31] hey [13:31] \o [13:31] no andyrock this time, if you read that log we miss you! [13:31] anyway, let's get started [13:31] :( [13:31] #topic rls-bb-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/RHiGQXZJ/ubuntu-desktop-1904-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-05-07 | Current topic: rls-bb-bugs [13:32] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:32] no desktop entry [13:32] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:32] bug #1715365 is targetted and unassigned [13:32] bug 1715365 in gnome-session (Ubuntu Bionic) "gnome-session-check-accelerated crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_lookup_node() from g_hash_table_lookup() from lookup_cached_xatom() from gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715365 [13:33] Daniiieeeelll [13:33] o/ [13:34] sorry, was looking at the bug/commit description [13:34] "g-s-check-acceleration: don't crash on X11 with nested wayland " doesn't seem like an rls issue [13:35] at the same time it has a patch and would be nice to SRU [13:35] I would vote -1 for bionic targetting but it's a nice SRU candidate if anyone wants to own it [13:35] what others think? [13:35] or do somewant want to own the SRU and get that fix in bionic? [13:36] o/ [13:36] hey tseliot [13:36] it's clear nap time around :p [13:36] * oSoMoN is reading that bug [13:37] under a big warm cover :) [13:37] :) [13:37] ok, so noone has an opinion [13:37] * Trevinho shows up [13:37] I'm deleting the bionic line [13:38] yeah, +1 for untargetting and a good SRU candidate [13:38] it can go through the rls-bb-incoming process if someone think it should [13:38] yep [13:39] looks something we can delay yes [13:39] (sorry was commenting on the bug) [13:40] +1 delay [13:40] * willcooke is slow [13:40] next [13:40] bug #1798961 [13:40] bug 1798961 in linux (Ubuntu Disco) "Random unrecoverable freezes on Ubuntu 18.10" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1798961 [13:40] the word "random" triggers me [13:41] the bug got targetted from the kernel side [13:41] I'm going to Invalid the intel part [13:41] unless they prove it's there and reopen [13:41] sounds good [13:41] +1 [13:42] bug #1827284 [13:42] bug 1827284 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Bionic) "No animation when GNOME Activities overview is opened" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1827284 [13:42] Daniiieeelll [13:43] -1 [13:43] for B [13:43] and E [13:43] sounds like it might be a SRU regression in B [13:43] did nobody speak to him yet or what? [13:44] I did mention it but maybe he didn'"t pay much attention, I'm going to write an email after the meeting [13:45] I would be +1 for fixing as well [13:45] I'm going to assign to Daniel this one, at least to have details of when it regressed in bionic and what are the options [13:46] (f*** launchpad which timeout and gives me a red box over firefox as an error) [13:46] :/ [13:46] k, will edit those after the meeting [13:47] that's it for the unassigned & non-fix-commited in bionic [13:47] #topic rls-cc-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/RHiGQXZJ/ubuntu-desktop-1904-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-05-07 | Current topic: rls-cc-bugs [13:47] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:47] empty [13:47] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:47] only the intel one we just discussed and is invalid now [13:48] #topic rls-dd-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/RHiGQXZJ/ubuntu-desktop-1904-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-05-07 | Current topic: rls-dd-bugs [13:48] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:48] bug #1827953 [13:48] bug 1827953 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "when you have "world clocks" configured (e.g. from the Gnome Clocks application), Gnome Shell crashes on login, resulting in a login loop" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1827953 [13:48] that looks nasty [13:48] I tagged that earlier, adding a location in gnome-clocks is enough to lead to a non working desktop [13:48] can't logging anymore [13:48] unless you know to go to a vt and reset that specific gsettings key [13:49] seems a good candidate to me [13:49] so I vote +1 to fix [13:49] +1 [13:49] that got cherry picked to gnome 3.32 today, so it'll be in the next one [13:49] do you think it should be done off cycle? [13:49] it's fixed upstream [13:49] I asked them to commit to 3.32 [13:49] ah, they did, good :) [13:49] it is already [13:49] * Laney did the merge request for that, easy way to get it done :> [13:49] thx [13:49] I would vote +1 to do another upload only for that [13:50] it's probably not a lot of people because we don't install gnome-clocks by default [13:50] +1 [13:50] but still, it pretty much screws your computer if you are non tech [13:50] even if you have tech, it took me a bit to find the right gsettings key to reset [13:50] have->are [13:50] resetting the current SRU or waiting for it? [13:50] trevinho, I assign to you if it's ok? [13:50] ah no not in yet [13:51] ok [13:51] ah no no it is [13:51] Laney, trevinho, I let you up to you if you want to request the SRU team to hijack the previous upload and reset the counter [13:51] I think it can wait until next week in the queue [13:51] or if we upload today we can ask them to approve it directly [13:52] that would only delay by 1 day since the previous got accepted yesterday [13:52] anyway, up to you guys [13:53] that was the only dd-incoming [13:53] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:53] bug #1823167 [13:53] bug 1823167 in tracker-miners (Ubuntu Eoan) "/usr/lib/tracker/tracker-extract 31 -> chdir -> do_exec -> fork_exec_with_fds -> fork_exec_with_pipes -> g_spawn_async_with_pipes" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1823167 [13:54] 588 reports on disco [13:54] that was already accepted [13:54] let's not discuss it again [13:54] give it a new assignee [13:54] k [13:54] yeah, I guess the +1 was already done, just need a new assignee [13:54] it needs another owner to take over andyrock [13:55] just an upstream commit to chery pick [13:55] didrocks, want to do it? [13:55] (just picking people in turn, you are off the hook for the next ones then ;) [13:55] * didrocks reminds he wasn't in favor in adding tracking :p [13:55] ahah [13:55] so whoever wanted to do it :) [13:55] but I can have a look [13:55] thx [13:55] and see how it goes [13:56] I can write the SRU description [13:56] you just need to cherry pick and dput [13:56] k [13:56] the other ones on that list are handled [13:56] #topic rls-ee-bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/RHiGQXZJ/ubuntu-desktop-1904-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-05-07 | Current topic: rls-ee-bugs [13:56] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:56] bug 1809407 [13:56] bug 1809407 in mutter (Ubuntu) "[nvidia] Corrupted wallpaper after resuming from suspend" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1809407 [13:57] seeing the duplicates list I vote +1 [13:57] (probably worth SRUing as well once we have a fix) [13:57] that patch is via system76, they've distro patched [13:58] that non patch [13:58] +1 from me [13:58] upstream is still open without a proper mp [13:58] and they labelled their patch as "work around" [13:58] anyway [13:58] interesting [13:58] Daniel pinged Jonas about it, he seems ot have an idea what the problem is [13:58] so I'm assigning to him [13:59] +1 thx [13:59] yeah code isn't exactly the best [13:59] so +1 in more upstream approved stuff [14:00] bug #1821415 [14:00] bug 1821415 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu) "pkexec fails in a non-graphical environment" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1821415 [14:01] bdmurray tagged it [14:01] but that doesn't seem like a release problem to me [14:01] the bug description is about the plymouth apport hook under a non graphical session [14:01] I think it's pretty a non-standard-user problem [14:02] others? [14:03] k, doing a notfixing then [14:03] yeah, agreed [14:03] it'd be interesting to check how many packages ship apport hooks that use that function [14:03] agreed [14:03] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html [14:03] quite niche indeed [14:03] bug #1815889 on that list [14:03] could hint brian to go chase upstream if he wants [14:03] bug 1815889 in qemu (Ubuntu Eoan) "qemu-system-x86_64 crashed with signal 31 in __pthread_setaffinity_new()" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1815889 [14:04] yeah [14:04] ^ that is fixed, just didn't get close for eoan [14:05] bug #1819615 [14:05] bug 1819615 in OEM Priority Project "For additional hardware support, modemmanager needs to be upgraded to 1.10 on Bionic" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1819615 [14:05] tkamppeter, kenvandine, ^ for you? [14:05] yes [14:05] i am uploading that today [14:05] thx [14:05] the tracker one we talked about [14:06] that's it for bugs [14:06] #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/RHiGQXZJ/ubuntu-desktop-1904-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-05-07 | Current topic: update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [14:06] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [14:06] seems in shape, just entries from today [14:06] all good [14:06] thx Laney :) [14:06] woo [14:06] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/RHiGQXZJ/ubuntu-desktop-1904-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-05-07 | Current topic: AOB [14:06] other topics? [14:07] none for me [14:07] I have an OEM request [14:07] fwupd 1.2.5 is required in B ASAP. seb128 I think you were looking at that one, so we can take it off line [14:07] yes, I'm trying to help [14:07] thanks for the reminder :)à [14:07] :) [14:08] thank *you* [14:08] let's talk outside the meeting, no need to have the team for it [14:08] np! [14:08] +1 [14:08] thats all [14:08] k [14:08] 3 [14:08] WAIT [14:08] yes? [14:08] ohoh! [14:08] we stopped checking on assigned rls bugs [14:08] was that on purpose? [14:09] willcooke, ^ [14:09] you sent a bunch of emails [14:09] (which I don't think got much traction, but that's another topic) [14:09] I will start that again [14:09] I think the answer is *no* and that we neds to go back to do something about it [14:10] I will script it this time [14:10] willcooke, let's try to work on some of those nagging bots next week if we find free slots [14:10] Laney, thx for the reminder! [14:10] thx [14:10] seb128, cool [14:10] k [14:10] counter reset, last chance for others :p [14:10] 3 [14:10] . [14:10] 2 [14:10] . [14:10] 1 [14:10] . [14:10] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/RHiGQXZJ/ubuntu-desktop-1904-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently [14:10] Meeting ended Tue May 7 14:10:58 2019 UTC. [14:10] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-05-07-13.30.moin.txt [14:11] thanks everyone! [14:11] thanks [14:11] seb128: wow you even count half seconds [14:11] :) [14:11] thanks... [14:11] on the qemu bug that was linked above, the plan is to merge a qemu which is fixed in eoan and then you can drop the delta we carry [14:11] thanks [14:11] trevinho, good morning :) how are you? [14:11] cpaelzer, ah ok, good to know [14:12] cpaelzer, thx [14:12] expect somewhen in july for an ETA [14:12] that is the reason the qemu task is still open [14:12] and you will get an update to the bug once that flips [14:12] ah ok, I'm going to reopen and assign to Timo then [14:13] hi, does anyone have an idea where this annoying livepatch applet is coming from and how to turn it off? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2418468&p=13857862 [14:34] willcooke, didrocks: I'd welcome your opinion on bug #1827948 [14:34] bug 1827948 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Use libreoffice-style-breeze as the default icon theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1827948 [14:35] (do we have a reference visual designer for the desktop who could chime in, too?) [14:36] oSoMoN: I think it should go through mpt who is our point of contact [14:36] oSoMoN: FYI, frederik is one of the Yaru main contributor :) [14:37] I know, but I'm keen on hearing from others [14:37] trying to invoke clobrano maybe ;) [14:43] willcooke: I'll add those screenshots [14:43] oSoMoN, commented on the bug. A before and after would be useful, and then mpt is the best person to comment. Looks good to me, but would like to see a before and after (without having to do any work myself :) ) [14:43] thanks marcustomlinson [14:49] a wild clobrano appears [14:51] oSoMoN, didrock: cool I have no idea of bug #1827948 :D [14:51] bug 1827948 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Use libreoffice-style-breeze as the default icon theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1827948 [14:51] willcooke, marcustomlinson: thanks [14:51] :) [14:58] oSoMoN: I don't really know, breeze looks a bit cold respect colorful elementary [14:59] but I have no strong opinion about it [15:01] maybe it's just a matter of getting used to [15:01] screenshots added [15:14]