[00:19] <icee> So, I installed 19.04.  Now my touchscreen doesn't work as a mouse, but it can be used to pull up the onscreen keyboard.  Is there a way to get the mouse functionality back?
[00:19] <icee> I -hated- it being a mouse before, but ... there's some things I do where it's nice (mostly reading practice with my kids at starfall.com) :P
[00:21] <icee> (the dock takes screen-touch, too, and some other things)
[00:27] <jdoe> any chance there's someone who maintains systemd here? I'm hoping to get some love for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1825378 -- 19.04 ships with a systemd that can't setup wireguard connections, broken by a backport ("rename and split set_wireguard_interface()"), fixed in https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/11580, doesn't seem to have anyone looking at it though.
[00:27] <jdoe> can be worked around by force-downgrading to systemd_240-6ubuntu4 from systemd_240-6ubuntu5, but that's... not a great solution.
[00:27] <jdoe> and as an added bonus, it fails silently, the vpn connections just don't work.
[00:28] <sere_> so what is the best file system im thinking btrfs or ext4
[00:34] <blogten> what's the recommended way to run guest operating systems, e.g. Windows?
[00:38] <lunaticedit> Hey, in 19.04, how do you select the desktop environment on the login screen?
[00:40] <Bashing-om> lunaticedit: See if there is not a gear icon in the password box - dropdown .
[00:40] <lunaticedit> there isn't :-/ I installed i3, not sure if there's any config stuff I need to manually do
[00:41] <Bashing-om> lunaticedit: Sorry ^^ was my only thought.
[00:41] <lunaticedit> I may go back to 18.04 anyway, it's hard to even get into graphical mode in 19.04
[00:41] <lunaticedit> i have to nomodeset and jump around console buffers to get it to come up
[00:49] <virmaha> hello, I am getting into this weird state :
[00:49] <virmaha> root@69f5e2700d08:/usr/share/doc# ls libcups2-dev/ -alh ls: cannot access 'libcups2-dev/changelog.Debian.gz': No such file or directory ls: cannot access 'libcups2-dev/copyright': No such file or directory total 4.0K drwxrwxrwx 1 root root   48 May  7 00:05 . drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4.0K May  7 00:41 .. ?????????? ? ?    ?       ?            ? changelog.Debian.gz ?????????? ? ?    ?       ?            ? copyright
[00:49] <virmaha> even though i've execute bit set on the directory, the files inside that directory cannot be listed/removed
[00:52] <virmaha> how can I fix that?
[00:56] <Dax2019> Hola a todos...
[01:05] <devslash> #php
[01:47] <juanonymous> Whats the purpose of cryptsetup-initframs?
[01:54] <activist> juanonymous https://packages.debian.org/sid/cryptsetup-initramfs
[02:04] <blogten> what's a good way to run virtual machines on Linux?  is vmware on Linux a good choice?  otherwise, it looks like KVM is the way to go.  any useful tips?
[02:05] <TimeDoctor> https://www.virtualbox.org is free
[02:06] <golden_ticket> blogten, try xen
[02:06] <golden_ticket> or virtualbox
[02:11] <kveroneau> I'm usually both a Debian and KDE kinda guy, but recently bought a Samsung Tab 5
[02:11] <kveroneau> I got Linux on DeX working, very cool might I add.
[02:12] <activist> hey guys where can i see supported plasma mobile devices?
[02:12] <kveroneau> anyways, how does one install and enable the gnome onscreen keyboard?
[02:13] <kveroneau> cant find gok through an apt-cache search
[02:13] <Eickmeyer> kveroneau: simply swipe up from bottom.
[02:14] <kveroneau> DeX on screen ksyboard lacks tab, which makes the terminal almost useless to me.   cant live without tab completion
[02:14] <Eickmeyer> kveroneau: Try onboard.
[02:15] <kveroneau> Eickmeyer: thats where the android on screen is, which Im currently using.  onkeyboard part of Ubuntu or android side?
[02:15] <Eickmeyer> kveroneau: Ubuntu.
[02:16] <kveroneau> thanks ill search for it now
[02:16] <Eickmeyer> kveroneau: That said, I'm not entirely sure what you're doing is supported here.
[02:16] <Eickmeyer> activist: Did you try asking in #kde ?
[02:18] <kveroneau> it is supported by connocial: https://www.linuxondex.com/
[02:19] <kveroneau> Samsung and connocical are working together to bring ubuntu to their phones and tablets.
[02:19] <Eickmeyer> kveroneau: We're volunteers in here. Please seek support from Samsung.
[02:19] <Eickmeyer> "Ubuntu 16.04 provided by Samsung Linux on DeX beta is a modified version of original Ubuntu image."
[02:20] <Eickmeyer> The key is "modified version."
[02:20] <Eickmeyer> Therefore, no, it is not supported here.
[02:31] <kveroneau> Eickmeyer: onkeyboard doesnt appear to be in the aarch64 repos, cant apt-get it, and command-not-found doesnt register it.
[02:31] <Eickmeyer> kveroneau: Not onkeyboard. onboard.
[02:32] <Eickmeyer> "sudo apt-get install onboard"
[02:33] <kveroneau> it was preinstalled, just wasnt sure what onboard was in the menu.
[02:35] <kveroneau> using it now, but I cannot type fast, as I need to wait for the last key to display or pressing the next key will prrss the previoos key.
[02:35] <kveroneau> I puposely didnt correct those last words as e
[02:36] <kveroneau> an example.  this reminds me why I prefer phyical keyboard haha
[02:36] <kveroneau> once I pick up the official keyboard, this tab will then essent
[02:37] <kveroneau> essentially be a nice portable linux machine. :)
[02:37] <kveroneau> thank you for your help Eickmeyer.
[02:40] <Eickmeyer> kveroneau: Glad to help. :)
[03:52] <raub> Why the output of modinfo is differing between 18.08 and 19.09: https://paste.centos.org/view/242ef5f7
[03:53] <raub> Something corrupted with my 18.04 install?
[03:53] <raub> s/18.08/18.04/
[03:59] <hggdh> raub: well, it is another kernel, is it not?
[04:52] <horribleapps> has anyone played around with uvc?
[04:53] <horribleapps> i.e. tried to hack around in the source code?
[05:03] <iceiceice> hi, i tried to do an automatic upgrade from 18.10 to 19.04, it said that there were errors during the upgrade and my system might be in an unusable state
[05:03] <iceiceice> i'm trying to figure out how to proceed, one thing that is wierd is that `/etc/release` is missing
[05:07] <qwebirc44914> Hello I’m having a silly problem. Need to run “curl -L https://install.pivpn.io | bash” in terminal but the symbol “|” wont type everytyme I press it it types “# or ~” anyone kind enough to explain it to this newbie?
[05:07] <krytarik> iceiceice: https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/amd64/base-files/filelist - it has got a lot variants, but that one ain't among them! :P
[05:08] <ryuo> qwebirc44914: does it do that anywhere else?
[05:09] <jcotton> qwebirc44914: you really should download and inspect the script before you pass it to bash
[05:09] <qwebirc44914> I’m not using gui . Terminal is the only thing I have on my screen
[05:09] <iceiceice> @krytarik: I got the "triggers looping; abandoned" message described here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1825425
[05:09] <iceiceice> i'm thinking about doing what #11 talks about
[05:09] <iceiceice> krytarik:^
[05:10] <ryuo> iceiceice: honestly all i ever hear is horror stories when trying to upgrade between majors. i know it should work, but you may be better off reinstalling.
[05:10] <iceiceice> ok thx
[05:11] <qwebirc44914> @ryuo I’m not using gui so the only thing available for me is the terminal.
[05:11] <ryuo> qwebirc44914: virtual console?
[05:12] <qwebirc44914> Its actually a raspberry pi
[05:12] <ryuo> so you're connected to it how?
[05:12] <ryuo> serial console?
[05:12] <ryuo> KVM?
[05:12] <qwebirc44914> Not sure what you are asking.
[05:12] <iceiceice> krytarik: I guess I was thinking of `/etc/issue` not `/etc/release`, derp
[05:13] <ryuo> qwebirc44914: how are you connected to the terminal?
[05:13] <iceiceice> thx everyone
[05:14] <qwebirc44914> Ryuo: Installed the lite version of raspbian (basted on debian)
[05:15] <qwebirc44914> Ryuo: the operating system is just terminal no gui
[05:15] <ryuo> So no X?
[05:15] <ryuo> You're in a virtual console then.
[05:15] <ryuo> If it's not SSH.
[05:15] <ryuo> or serial console.
[05:15] <qwebirc44914> Virtual console
[05:16] <ryuo> One thing i'd try is seeing if the issue persists over SSH.
[05:16] <qwebirc44914> Ryuo: how do I do that.
[05:16] <qwebirc44914> ?
[05:16] <ryuo> ... nevermind it would take too long to setup.
[05:16] <krytarik> qwebirc44914: This ain't Raspbian support though, it's #raspbian
[05:17] <ryuo> but i've never heard of a terminal feature that does what you describe.
[05:17] <ryuo> it sounds like a key mapping issue.
[05:18] <ryuo> if so all i can suggest is making sure the console keymap matches your keyboard
[05:18] <ryuo> you can try dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[05:23] <qwebirc44914> Is there any way to get on screen keyboard on virtual console?
[05:23] <ryuo> No.
[05:38] <sruli> after apt dist-upgrade (lubuntu 16.04) after plymoth i get black screen i can login to tty and every ~15 seconds screen turns off, have to ctrl+alt+f1 to get screen back, dont know where to start trouble shooting this
[05:40] <marc_> hi guys
[06:07] <Apachez> in software & updates I have set "automatically check for updates" to "never", yet I get popups from ubuntu that there are new updates available... wtf!?
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: there's a difference between updates & security updates
[06:08] <Apachez> so where do I tell it to stop phoning home?
[06:09] <Apachez> I want to decide WHEN its supposed to check for updates no matter if they are security related or not
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: why do you want to stop updates comming in?
[06:09] <Apachez> because I want to decide WHEN its supposed to check for updates no matter if they are security related or not
[06:09] <Apachez> and when I set it to "Never" I expect it to fulfill my wishes
[06:09] <Apachez> ubuntu turns more and more into a phone homing pile of **** as microsoft windows have
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: this is not the complaints channel, focus on ubuntu issues only here
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-discuss
[06:12] <Apachez> so noone knows how to truly disable checking for updates
[06:12] <Apachez> because obviously setting "automatically check for updates" to "never" didnt do shit
[06:12] <ryuo> Apachez: remove unattended-upgrades perhaps?
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: and please mind your language in the ubuntu support channel
[06:13] <sruli> when booting i can only get into tty, status of lightdm is Failed to start Light Display Manager, how do i trouble shoot this?
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> sruli: when you boot, press F1 to switch to text based boot, then check whats going wrong where
[06:14] <Apachez> lotuspsychje: mind stop being a jerk?
[06:14] <Apachez> ryuo: thanks
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: if you follow the guidelines, there would be no reason to tell you
[06:15] <ryuo> Apachez: afaik, automatic updates just do an apt update pass. not sure why it bothers you so much. that's something you need to do for proper maintenance regardless.
[06:15] <sruli> lotuspsychje: F1 does nothing
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> sruli: at wich point are you pressing?
[06:16] <sruli> after plymoth, i should before?
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> sruli: yes, after grub and before login
[06:18] <Apachez> ryuo: they are nagging me with a popup telling me that setting "automatically check for updates" to "never" didnt do shit
[06:18] <Apachez> because IF that setting had an effect then the ubuntu installation wouldnt suggest which packages to update out of the blue
[06:19] <Apachez> ryuo: but unattended-upgrades removed, lets see if those popups resurface again
[06:19] <ryuo> Apachez: i see. i primarily use LM. there's no popup for update announcements. it just displays an icon in the notification area to say that there's some available.
[06:19] <Apachez> lotuspsychje: if you learned from lets say ryuo people wouldnt think you are an ass
[06:19] <sruli> lotuspsychje: i just see list of services all started ok, i dont see lightdm in the list, dont know how do scroll up here
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> sruli: is it stuck somewhere?
[06:19] <Apachez> ryuo: thanks again
[06:20] <sruli> lotuspsychje: no
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> sruli: so at wich point are you?
[06:20] <sruli> lotuspsychje: tty login
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> sruli: wich ubuntu release are you on?
[06:20] <krytarik> Apachez: Well, either the package cache already contained information on available updates when you toggled that setting, or you updated the cache manually afterwards and it does now.
[06:20] <sruli> lotuspsychje: lubuntu 16.04.6
[06:21] <Apachez> krytarik: nope, I ran it last evening manually and then cleaned stuff afterwards (apt-get autoclean and clean)
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> sruli: lubuntu 16.04 is end of life
[06:21] <Apachez> and then this morning there is a popup in the dock that there are new updates available
[06:22] <Apachez> which again is funny since the setting for checking for new updates in software&updates is set to "never"
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> sruli: its reccomended you install lubuntu 18.04
[06:22] <sruli> lotuspsychje: 16.04 end of life is in 2024! on this machine i am not yet ready to upgrade as it will break too many things
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> sruli: 16.04 ubuntu desktop is till 2024
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> 2021 actually
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> sruli: its reccomended you follow the eol time of your ubuntu flavour, so before its going end of life, you can upgrade and avoid broken situations like now
[06:25] <sruli> there is no way i can upgrade now, i need time to change many scripts for 18.04
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> sruli: we cannot support eol versions, i hope you understand that
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> !eol | sruli
[06:26] <sruli> i understand, i wasnt aware that lubuntu has shorter eol than regular ubuntu :-(
[06:26] <ryuo> isn't desktop Ubuntu the same there?
[06:27] <ryuo> sruli: indeed. it's a confusing soup. most desktop flavors only get 3 years of full support.
[06:30] <sruli> on apt-update (and now i tried do-release-upgrade), in the output i get "Could not execute 'apt-key' to verify signature (is gnupg installed?)"
[06:31] <sruli> how do i scroll up in tty?
[06:35] <geirha> shift+page up
[06:36] <sruli> trying to do realease-upgrade from tty, it aborts but cant find the reason, cant scroll up high enough
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> sruli: make a backup of your data, and try an eol upgrade or a clean install 18.04
[07:00] <krytarik> An EOL upgrade isn't necessary and won't work either because the 16.04 repos are still in the usual places due to main Ubuntu still being supported.
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> krytarik: so the end of life flavours can just lts upgrade correct?
[07:01] <krytarik> Yeah.
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> ah nice tnx
[07:44] <heller_> hwy
[07:44] <heller_> or hey. anyone got ideas for a samba/nas server. should i use software raid or go with hardware?
[07:47] <Valen> software
[07:47] <Valen> if the hardware controller craps itself you need to source an identical one
[07:47] <Valen> software you just stuff the disks in a new computer and keep going
[07:56] <heller_> righg
[07:56] <heller_> right*
[07:56] <heller_> does ubuntu have software raid option when installing it?
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> !raid | heller_ start here
[07:57] <Valen> does the gui installer support setting up raid these days?
[07:58] <Valen> heller_: small suggestion, before you jump in with both feet play around making raid devices on some files first, mdadm is fine with just turning a few files into a raid array
[07:58] <Valen> then you can break the array and add new disks and the like to it without issue
[07:59] <Valen> if it's for samba you might look at zfs as your file system as well, it's the new hotness
[07:59] <Valen> (you don't use mdraid with zfs, zfs does it's own raid)
[08:00] <Valen> you get easy snapshots and such like then and you can integrate them with the volume shadow copy I believe (at least freenas does so I presume it's available in ubuntu)
[08:12] <tomreyn> heller_: if you want the RAID setup during installation, you should use the "alternative server installer ('debian-installer')". "mini.iso" may also work (can't promise).
[08:12] <tomreyn> the desktop installer doesn't support it, i think
[08:14] <fefa2k> Hello
[08:15] <fefa2k> I increased the HD capacity of a virtual ubuntu server, the thing is, it doesn't show up in the linux partitions
[08:15] <fefa2k> I'm trying to increase it but all I can find refers to delete partition, recreate partition, that would make it lose all the information in that partition, right?
[08:21] <tomreyn> fefa2k: after resizing a virtual storage, you next step should be to increase or move one or more partitions, and then reisze whichever other layers are on top of this (in the easiest setting: file sytems)
[08:22] <fefa2k> mmm, I finally did it with parted, now the second partition shows up with the whole disk size
[08:23] <fefa2k> but on df -h it still shows with it's original size, I tried rebooting the machine but it's still the same
[08:24] <tomreyn> fefa2k: post fdisk -l, lsblk
[08:24] <tomreyn> !pastebinit
[08:25] <fefa2k> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r2WjvWBfK5/ & http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sxNDRVs34C/
[08:26] <fefa2k> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YVWDb4W8bP/ -> df -h -> that shows only 79G in /dev/sda2
[08:26] <fefa2k> maybe I'm reading it wrong?
[08:30] <Valen> fefa2k: after increasing the partition size you need to resize the file system to match
[08:30] <fefa2k> resize2fs /dev/sda2 did the trick!
[08:30] <Valen> like that ;-)
[08:30] <fefa2k> ^^
[08:31] <fefa2k> I thought I messed something up!
[08:31] <fefa2k> thank you guys, I should probably use LVM to avoid doing this, right?
[08:32] <tomreyn> it would maker things easier on your next installation, yes
[08:32] <tomreyn> moving things around and resizing that is. generally, lvm2 obviously adds extra complexity. but it's a well tested tool for this use case.
[08:33] <fefa2k> perfectnice, thanks again
[08:39] <Valen> I'm not a fan of the added complexity of lvm tbh
[08:40] <Valen> I mean it has its uses but I use it so infrequently and most setups are pretty simple that it's easier to do without for me
[08:41] <Valen> straight up increasing the disk size on an ubuntu VM there would be no functional difference between using lvm and raw partitions that I can think of?
[08:42] <tomreyn> need to reboot to apply updated partition table
[08:42] <Valen> It is usefull in the physical world, when you run out of disk space and want a minimum offline time you can add more disks and expand the volume onto them or steal part of the end of a disk for an earlier partition etc
[08:43] <Valen> fdisk tells the kernel to re-read the partition table by default
[08:43] <fefa2k> on my environment a small downtime is no issue, but maybe it's useful on a higher demanding service
[08:44] <Valen> lvm is probably a good thing to learn if you want to learn things ;-)
[08:44] <Valen> it can do snapshots and all sorts of nice things
[08:45] <Valen> but these days you might look at zfs for those sorts of jobs
[08:45] <TomyWork> i just got 18.04, installed wireshark and i'm getting strange errors even before starting a capture. basically it rejects all my filters with "unknown data link type -1" when using the "any" interface.
[08:46] <tomreyn> logical volumes can be moved around at will within the volume group and across (lvm) physical devices. if you have multiple partitions, you may not have this freedom.
[08:46] <TomyWork> i dont get that kind of error as root, so i guess i'm missing a group or something?
[08:47] <TomyWork> on my old machine (14.04) i had the "wireshark" group, but that doesn't exist on the new machine
[08:48] <TomyWork> oh nm, the group needs to be enabled using "dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common" first
[08:49] <venik212> I have a batch file that runs an rsync job.  The rsync command works fine if I run it from a terminal, but when I put it in a .sh file, it fails with: Failed to execute a child process.  WTF?
[08:50] <TomyWork> venik212 what's a batch file?
[08:51] <venik212> a batch file is a BASH or SH file, which runs some commands
[08:51] <AppAraat> hi, is there an ETA on when the Firefox package will get updated on Ubuntu so I can use my extensions again?
[08:51] <AppAraat> * on Ubuntu 16.04
[08:51] <TomyWork> ah, i usually call those shell script, to distinguish them from, you know, actual batch files :)
[08:51] <EriC^^> venik212: it's called a script in linux i think, windows uses batch or .bat
[08:51] <TomyWork> pastebin your shell script
[08:52] <venik212> OK-- regardless of the name, the problem is the same
[08:52] <venik212> What's in a name?
[08:52] <TomyWork> pastebin your shell script
[08:52] <TomyWork> venik212 i was also trying to make sure you're not on windows or something
[08:54] <venik212> It is VERY short, and runs correctly on another computer with the same OS (Linux-mint-xcfe).  How do I paste into the pastebiin?  I am new here
[08:54] <TomyWork> !pastebin
[08:54] <ducasse> !mint | venik212
[08:54] <venik212> no, Tommy-- I am not on Windows
[08:54] <EriC^^> venik212: cat /path/to/script | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:55] <EriC^^> ducasse: he's using it on ubuntu, he was saying on a mint pc it's running fine
[08:55] <TomyWork> he said it's the same os
[08:55] <venik212> I thought that mint WAS an official distro of Ubuntu-- was I wrong (again)?
[08:55] <ducasse> EriC^^: "with the same OS (Linux-mint-xcfe)."
[08:55] <TomyWork> that implies the pc he's asking for is also uses mint
[08:56] <ducasse> venik212: mint is not ubuntu, no
[08:56] <EriC^^> i figured he meant they're both 'ubuntu' based not literal, venik212 is it on ubuntu or mint?
[08:56] <TomyWork> venik212 mint is based on ubuntu, but not supported here. much like ubuntu isnt supported in #debian even though it's based on debian
[08:56] <venik212> I have two laptops, both running the latest mint-xcfe.  On the Yoga 2 pro it runs fine, but on the Yoga 11s it fails.
[08:57] <TomyWork> but still, let's see your script, chances are it's obvious anyway
[08:57] <venik212> #!/bin/sh # Incremental backup from /home/udi to the SD-128GB card cd /home/udi #xfce4-terminal echo 'Backing up your files!' rsync -avzX --exclude-from /home/udi/'exclude-rsync.txt' /home/udi /media/udi/SD-128gb/daily-backups/
[08:57] <TomyWork> !pastebin
[08:57] <venik212> !pastebin
[08:57] <venik212> #!/bin/sh # Incremental backup from /home/udi to the SD-128GB card cd /home/udi #xfce4-terminal echo 'Backing up your files!' rsync -avzX --exclude-from /home/udi/'exclude-rsync.txt' /home/udi /media/udi/SD-128gb/daily-backups/
[08:58] <TomyWork> dude how about you read the message the bot gave you
[08:58] <venik212> not sure if it pasted it where it was supposed to
[08:58] <TomyWork> and do what it says in there
[08:59] <venik212> when all else fails, READ THE INSTRUCTIONS.  Now I had, and the url is: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bNkPPnYnQ3/
[09:00] <TomyWork> ok that looks a bit odd, but it shouldn't fail
[09:00] <TomyWork> how are you invoking it?
[09:01] <venik212> Either by clicking on it, or by typing into the terminal: sh rsync...sh
[09:02] <TomyWork> yeah, don't do that
[09:02] <venik212> I agree, Tommy, it shouldnn't fail, and it doesn't on the Yoga 2 pro
[09:02] <TomyWork> whoknowswhat happens if you doubleclick it
[09:02] <TomyWork> and by using "sh ..." you're essentially overriding line 1
[09:02] <TomyWork> invoke it using "./rsync.sh"
[09:03] <venik212> that is how you execute executables in Linux
[09:03] <EriC^^> i'd check permissions
[09:03] <TomyWork> yes, it is
[09:03] <TomyWork> so go and do it
[09:04] <venik212> ./rsync etc produces the same result.  I came here after all these failed
[09:04] <EriC^^> venik212: try the script with sudo once to see if that's the problem
[09:04] <TomyWork> bad idea
[09:04] <EriC^^> or paste the exact verbatim error you're getting fully
[09:04] <TomyWork> that might screw up his perms
[09:04] <venik212> I did a chmod 755
[09:04] <TomyWork> that should do
[09:04] <EriC^^> venik212: what's the exact error you're getting?
[09:05] <venik212> I try to avoid sudo for the reason Tomy mentioned
[09:05] <venik212> hold on a sec.
[09:07] <TomyWork> btw i have an odd issue with xdg-open on 18.04. for some reason it seems to follow redirects before sending the url to the browser
[09:07] <TomyWork> which is a bit crappy if you have urls that require a login
[09:09] <TomyWork> hnnnng, "Open http and https URLs [x] in an application based on the contents of the URL"
[09:09] <TomyWork> of course that won't work. who made that the default?
[09:10] <venik212> OK-- after some recent updates, I now get the error if I click on the file, but I can run it by typing sh rsync..sh   OTOH, if I type ./rsync..sh I get a wierd new error: wrong interpreter..
[09:11] <venik212> but at least I now have ONE way of running it.  Tomy-- what looked weird to you?
[09:11] <TomyWork> using windows line endings, perhaps?
[09:11] <EriC^^> venik212: i think if you paste the script in a pastebin you'd show more
[09:11] <EriC^^> likely your shebang line has a problem
[09:11] <TomyWork> he did
[09:11] <venik212> I did paste it:  the url is: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bNkPPnYnQ3/
[09:11] <TomyWork> the shebang looks ok
[09:11] <TomyWork> but we wont see line endings there
[09:12] <TomyWork> venik212 try "dos2unix rsync.sh"
[09:12] <EriC^^> just cat it to termbin
[09:12] <venik212> How did dos get into this?
[09:12] <TomyWork> just do it, venik212
[09:13] <TomyWork> see if "./rsync.sh" works after that
[09:13] <EriC^^> hexdump -C /path/to/script | head -1
[09:14] <TomyWork> also that
[09:14] <venik212> dos2unix.sh: command not found
[09:14] <TomyWork> wat
[09:15] <TomyWork> no one told you to write "dos2unix.sh"
[09:15] <venik212> Windows was nnever near this sh file
[09:15] <ducasse> venik212: i think you should take this to mint support, there's a limit to how much time we should spend on it
[09:15] <TomyWork> doesn't matter
[09:15] <venik212> oh-- sorry.  Hold on
[09:15] <TomyWork> virtually all linux editors can read and write text files with windows line endings
[09:16] <TomyWork> AppAraat enabling studies worked for me
[09:17] <TomyWork> i did have to wait for a while, though
[09:17] <TomyWork> this was on 18.04
[09:17] <venik212> I guess I never installed dos2unix
[09:17] <TomyWork> venik212 dont bother with that. try the command eric gave you
[09:17] <venik212> that file should have no Windows contamination in it
[09:17] <TomyWork> hexdump -C /path/to/script | head -1
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> move on guys, did you miss what ducasse just said?
[09:18] <TomyWork> this is likely as much an ubuntu as a mint problem
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: it isnt, script issues are not related to ubuntu issues specially if its on mint
[09:19] <ducasse> doesn't matter, we do have a policy
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: there is the mint channel or ##linux or ##programming
[09:19] <zette> Hi guys, any cn help me, how to install WhatsApp Web in Ubuntu?
[09:19] <venik212> sorry guys-- I'll go ask for help in Mint.  Thanks for helpiing
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | zette
[09:21] <zette> ubottu: how u know I'm as root?
[09:21] <friendlyGoat> hi i was wondering if i could get help with something. i have a partition i use for storage between ubuntu and windows and i can read and write to it on windows but i cant write to it anymore on ubuntu. im not entirely sure how to fix this.
[09:22] <TomyWork> zette i think you're doing linux wrong. first of all you're on a desktop as root (bad idea, desktop applications are not that hardened)
[09:22] <TomyWork> and then you want to use whatsapp :)
[09:22] <AppAraat> TomyWork: I'm aware of the FF studies method, but doesn't that involve sending unique info about your browser to Mozilla? If so I'd rather not do that.
[09:22] <TomyWork> AppAraat your choice
[09:24] <EriC^^> friendlyGoat: paste any errors etc in a pastebin
[09:24] <EriC^^> did you mount the partition successfully?
[09:24] <alocer> hello guys. which packages do you exclude for production updates &
[09:25] <alocer> s/&/?
[09:25] <alocer> linux-image* ?
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> alocer: are you on ubuntu-server?
[09:25] <alocer> lotuspsychje: i am .
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> come join at #ubuntu-server please alocer
[09:25] <alocer> ok thanks
[09:27] <friendlyGoat> how do i check for errors? i have it automount via Gnome Disks
[09:27] <friendlyGoat> actually now that i think of it this didnt start until i got Gnome Disks working
[09:28] <TomyWork> AppAraat https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d5BpBPh6f3/
[09:28] <TomyWork> this is a base64 of the experiment xpi i got
[09:30] <TomyWork> i found it next to the other xpis in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/extensions
[09:31] <AppAraat> thanks, I'll consider that, though there appears also to be a standalone version of FF that updates itself, so I might go with that.
[09:33] <ducasse> AppAraat: that might use the normandy method - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1827717
[09:33] <ducasse> AppAraat: equally suspicious to studies
[09:35] <AppAraat> oh hmm, this is indeed a pickle. Thanks for the heads-up.
[09:35] <TomyWork> AppAraat you can disable studies after that particular study flies in, btw
[09:36] <TomyWork> it will keep the study installed
[09:36] <TomyWork> about:studies will show you the installed studies
[09:36] <TomyWork> and allow you to remove them
[09:38] <AppAraat> I'll consider that, though I can also set app.normandy.enabled to false after startup.
[09:46] <alocer> if i update apache2 package will the webserver  restarts ? i wonder ?
[09:46] <TomyWork> necessarily, yes
[09:47] <AppAraat> is that restart-on-update mechanism part of systemd?
[09:48] <Sefid_par> Hello. Suddenly I could not ssh to Ubuntu Server from ubuntu. -vv says: debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey). and it freezes at debug1: pledge: network.
[09:48] <ducasse> alocer: it won't restart on library updates, though, for that look at the 'needrestart' package
[09:49] <alocer> ducasse: thanks .
[09:49] <TomyWork> AppAraat no, it's part of the postinst scriptlet of the package
[09:50] <Sefid_par> I restarted the server and client. also reinstalled openssh-server on server and ssh on client. nothing changed.
[09:50] <alocer> i asked on ubuntu-server but no replied. if i update using unattended-upgrade and apache2 or mysql-server got an update the systems will restart . right ? thats downtime :(
[09:51] <alocer> s/systems/services
[09:51] <TomyWork> alocer if you can't afford downtime, get a load balancer, add some redundancy and do rolling updates
[09:51] <AppAraat> thanks
[09:51] <TomyWork> wat
[09:52] <TomyWork> that was for alocer, not you
[09:52] <SimonNL> thanks
[09:52] <TomyWork> oh, late reply to my reply to your question
[09:52] <TomyWork> dammit simon
[09:52] <SimonNL> wake up
[09:54] <tds> alocer: worth keeping in mind you'll probably have a graceful restart of apache nightly from logrotate anyway
[09:55] <alocer> tds: what.. didn't know that ..
[09:55] <alocer> thanks .
[09:55] <TomyWork> are you sure it's not a reload, tds?
[10:02] <pizzaburger> Hello! Connecting a different max resolution external monitor to a laptop. Is there a way to keep te resolutions separate in ubuntu when in joined displays? It usually scales one or the other. Thanks!
[10:02] <tds> TomyWork: it's a graceful restart, though I suppose you may need a full restart in an upgrade situation so the parent restarts as well
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> pizzaburger: you could take a look into dconf-editor perhaps for more screen tweaks
[10:06] <JohnMurdoch> hello fellow Ubuntu users! does anyone how to stop the battery from charging at the 80% mark?
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> JohnMurdoch: whats your end goal with this?
[10:08] <pizzaburger> lotuspsychje: Thank you, I will!
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> pizzaburger: normally also it depends on how you dualscreen, mirror or stretch
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> pizzaburger: the correct graphics driver also influences the resolution, might also worth checking
[10:10] <pizzaburger> lotuspsychje: "stretch" I guess, it's "join displays" in Ubuntu, lets you use both monitors separatly
[10:10] <pizzaburger> *separately
[10:13] <JohnMurdoch> @lotuspsychje for thinkpads, we can have the charging of the battery stop at 80%. is this possible with any other laptop?
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> JohnMurdoch: not sure of that feature, you could try laptop-mode-tools maybe
[10:17] <paul98> would this be the right place to ask about ssh / sftp / chroot login issues ?
[10:18] <ducasse> paul98: on ubuntu?
[10:18] <tomreyn> paul98: if they are on a system running a supported ubuntu version, yes.
[10:18] <paul98> yup it is,
[10:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:19] <TomyWork> tds oh i didnt know that "graceful restart" was an actual, distinct thing. what is it?
[10:19] <TomyWork> i thought it just meant "kill -15 not kill -9"
[10:20] <tds> TomyWork: it's an apache thing, it'll have it reload the config, have every child process cleanly exit once their connections are all closed and then restart them, and a few other things i'm forgetting
[10:20] <elpancho> Hi
[10:22] <paul98> so I have a ubuntu 14.04 machine, running sftp and chroot, When use the key for ubuntu user it works fine, when I try to use the same key for a sftp user I get Permission denied (publickey), the key is stored in /etc/ssh/ with 600 root:root permission, the sftp user home dir is /var/sftp/user/ which has 766 wr root:root for the dir, there is no .ssh/authroized_keys file / folder though. IT used to work
[10:22] <paul98> then the server fell over so I restored a older snapshot (aws) to a working one but now I just can't ssh in as the user
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> paul98: 14.04 is end of life, are you on ESM?
[10:24] <andre144k> hi all
[10:24] <andre144k> how to find files which user "nobody" group "nobody" cant read?
[10:24] <paul98> my bad 16.04
[10:24] <mika_> hey guys, i have a weird problem: i updated my system from 18.04 to 18.10 and after that my system was super slow. After 5 minutes i get a commandline running, but i cannot even do a 'apt update', because it will time out. Does anybody knows a start for me, on how to investigate this issue?
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> mika_: can you pastebing the output of: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade please
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> *pastebin
[10:25] <EriC^^> andre144k: that's a little excessive what is the actual problem
[10:25] <mika_> ok
[10:27] <tomreyn> paul98: /etc/ssh/ is an unusual location to store ssh client secret keys (but it's not strictly a problem). the default location for a root owned ssh client secret key would be /root/.ssh/
[10:28] <paul98> tomreyn:, I know it's very odd, I never set this box up oringally otheriwse I would have stored the keys in the home dir for each user e.g /var/sftp/user/
[10:28] <paul98> the end user who uses different keys to what i'm testing with are having the same issue, so it's almost a permission / config error with ssh / sftp / chroot but I just can't seem to spot it as to me it all looks ok
[10:29] <tomreyn> personally i'd just start over, using a current how-to / man page, setting things up with default storage locations,
[10:30] <tomreyn> (i'm also havnig some trouble following your scenario but this may be just  me, i'm a bit dizzy, got the flu)
[10:32] <paul98> I guess I should have a .ssh/authorized_keys in the sftp root dir ?
[10:33] <TomyWork> paul98 take a look at ssh-copy-id
[10:34] <mika_> lotuspsychje: the problem resolved itself it seems... apt update works now. i will try to update it to 19.04. maybe the problems are resolved there.
[10:35] <mika_> maybe it started something in the background, but if all fails i will backup my data, and install it fresh
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> mika_: wich problems do you still have?
[10:37] <tomreyn> andre144k: why do you need to?
[10:37] <mika_> lotuspsychje: well it is still super slow, and apparently /boot has to less space for the upgrade... but at least the second problem i can resolve myself. but thank you for your replies :)
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> mika_: you also chosen to upgrade from an lts to a non-lts. if you need a stable experience you might wanna stick to lts?
[10:41] <andre144k> cause i want find files which nobody cant read/open - they are stored on a nas, which are mounted by NFS/CIFS
[10:42] <andre144k> ans some files in CIFS cant read cause NFS has special righs
[10:47] <tomreyn> andre144k: so you want to use gnu find to search for files (and maybe other file system objects?) which match none of these applies to: (1) owned by user 'nobody' and readable by the owner, (2) owned by group 'nobody' and group readable, (3) world / other readable
[10:47] <tomreyn> scratch "applies to"
[10:50] <tomreyn> andre144k: keep in mind that this user will also not be able to access files which are located in directories this user has no access to.
[10:57] <qwebirc67411> hello I need some help
[10:57] <qwebirc67411> I was using an ubuntu live cd but looks like it froze and I don't want to restart it
[10:58] <qwebirc67411> is there a chance it will recover hours later?
[10:59] <tomreyn> qwebirc67411: that's not impossible but rather unlikely
[11:00] <ducasse> qwebirc67411: i can't recall seeing that happen
[11:00] <tomreyn> if you customized the live environment so much that rebooting / loosing the customizations means loosing a lot, then you should rather not be using a live session for this work.
[11:01] <qwebirc67411> tomreyn what would happen if I eject the CD and re insert it? would that help?
[11:01] <tomreyn> qwebirc67411: this would certainly not help, rather make things worse.
[11:02] <tomreyn> qwebirc67411: why is rebooting an issue?
[11:02] <qwebirc67411> I'm really stupid and have some important information that I need to retrieve
[11:03] <qwebirc67411> I know I should have not gotten so confident
[11:03] <qwebirc67411> is there any way to retrieve the clipboard at least?
[11:03] <ducasse> not that i can think of
[11:04] <tomreyn> you could try switching to a tty, maybe from there you can recover a few things, maybe after killing some processes.
[11:04] <tomreyn> but usually when you reach this point it is beyond recovery.
[11:05] <qwebirc67411> tomreyn the Cd just keeps spinning, maybe if I wait hours or days it will unfreeze?
[11:05] <tomreyn> qwebirc67411: you already asked this question, and i already answered it. there is no need to ask it again, nor to answer it again.
[11:06] <onto> Hi! I am running ubuntu 14.04 on a docker container (needed for testing because some servers in production use it). It depends on php5.6 and I have added this ppa https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php but it has recently stopped working. A package that was available only a week ago isn't there anymore.
[11:06] <qwebirc67411> it was rhetorical but you're right
[11:07] <qwebirc67411> I'm just hoping for a miracle now
[11:07] <onto> The package in question is php5.6-bcmath
[11:07] <cfhowlett> onto/ you have bigger problems.  14.04 is not longer supported.  time to upgrade
[11:07] <tomreyn> !14.04 | onto
[11:07] <TomyWork> 14.04 is EOL, get your production updated. yesterday.
[11:08] <onto> cfhowlett: Would've done it if it was that simple, lots of custom configurations from multiple people. Can't upgrade easily without possibly all hell breaking loose.
[11:08] <TomyWork> you should have started upgrading about a year ago
[11:09] <tomreyn> not doing something because "it's complex" is not a solution
[11:09] <TomyWork> not that it really matters, security-wise, since you're using PHP anyway
[11:10] <tomreyn> that's a bit of a broad statement
[11:10] <cfhowlett> onto/ meanwhile, as you have found you have NO support and no security upgrades.  think it through.
[11:10] <ducasse> qwebirc67411: at this point you're better off starting right now to recreate what you lost, rather than wasting hours hoping for a miracle
[11:10] <onto> TomyWork: I would've if I worked on this product. How does that comment help?
[11:10] <TomyWork> it's a barnum statement. it's true for at least one person in the room
[11:10] <cfhowlett> onto/ as far as software, you can clone the package list easily.  and direct upgrade to 18.04 is supported from 14.04 IIRC
[11:11] <TomyWork> is it?
[11:12] <onto> cfhowlett: Sure, that sounds like it would fix my immediate problems. Can you point me to the right direction? How would I go about doing that?
[11:12] <cfhowlett> TomyWork/ easy enough to test.  is your software sources are set to LTS upgrade only
[11:12] <cfhowlett> then go sudo do-release-upgrade             should show a new OS available.  say yes
[11:12] <TomyWork> you might also want to look at rolling out something docker-based in production, in order to force people to go through proper procedures and not do manual changes in prod
[11:12] <cfhowlett> OR ... you could clean install
[11:13] <tomreyn> i think onto suggested they are using the Sury PHP PPA
[11:13] <onto> TomyWork: We are running this system in parallel with our new docker-based system (due to legacy reasons) and there is some weird wire-mangling to connect those together.
[11:14] <cfhowlett> TomyWork/ if you go to the clean install route, target your current partitions for the new OS and do NOT format your /home.  you ***should*** be OK, but backup your data first
[11:15] <TomyWork> cfhowlett yeah tell onto, not me
[11:15] <cfhowlett> doh!  sorry.  onto: see above for the how to.
[11:15] <TomyWork> onto, time to cut ties with the old system then. send a mail to everyone involved that the old system is no longer supported and needs to go. tell them to move their shit to the docker-based system as the old one will be gone at date X
[11:16] <TomyWork> make sure to leave enough for people to return from vacations etc
[11:16] <TomyWork> enough time*
[11:17] <TomyWork> on date X, isolate the system from the internet and the new production system
[11:18] <TomyWork> approaching date X, send out weekly notices
[11:18] <TomyWork> should cover your ass :)
[11:19] <TomyWork> if anyone forces you to keep the old system in place and can't be reasoned with, have them give you paperwork acknowledging the security risks
[11:20] <TomyWork> and look for a new job while this simmering mess heads for the cliff
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> !who | TomyWork
[11:20] <TomyWork> lotuspsychje i addressed onto
[11:20] <TomyWork> i made that clear, too
[11:23] <aleksandrM> audutD can someone steer me in the right direction on working with more auditD rules?
[11:23] <onto> Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
[11:24] <aleksandrM> I need to secure and monitor a couple of servers...and be able to log avary activity from a central server.
[11:25] <cfhowlett> aleksandrM/ might want to ask #ubuntu-server
[11:32] <ggnoredo> I casually updated my kernel on ukuu notification but didn't realize that it's a major release anyway i rebooted it but then my desktop resolution was 640x480, nvidia x settings was completely empty and couldn't change the resolution. I reverted back to 5.0.13 to fix it but how am i going to update it? I'm using latest nvidia-drivers from ppa (418.xx) on Ubuntu 18.04.02
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> ggnoredo: for kernel play with reccomend !mainline
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> ggnoredo: after you chosen a supported kernel, you can switch nvidia drivers as you need
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> ggnoredo: is there a reason, you installed another kernel on 18.04.2?
[11:35] <ggnoredo> yes freesync
[11:36] <ggnoredo> so i skip 5.1 update and try again on the next update?
[11:37] <ducasse> ggnoredo: you can try, but we don't support the mainline kernels. if it breaks you get to keep both pieces.
[11:39] <ggnoredo> i see.. thank you
[11:41] <zap0> 19.04 is faster.. nice!
[11:42] <tomreyn> ggnoredo: you say you need to use mainline kernels to make use of 'freesync' (probably G-SYNC). which minimum kernel version does it depend on?
[11:45] <ggnoredo> it's freesync but nvidia supports freesync monitors. Freesync was added with 5.0 kernel update AFAIK
[11:46] <ggnoredo> so my dev environment depends on it for testing. that's why i had to update my kernel on 18.04.2
[11:50] <TomyWork> ggnoredo nvidia supports that now? or is that a linux-only thing?
[11:50] <TomyWork> my last info is that they want to peddle their own solution to the exclusion of freesync
[11:50] <ggnoredo> no it's not a linux only thing. You can use freesync monitors with nvidia and gsync
[11:50] <tomreyn> yes, linux 5.0 introduced FreeSync support via the "VariableRefresh" AMDGPU DDX driver option, which also requires mesa 19.0. i'm not sure how this related to nvidias'.
[11:51] <TomyWork> ggnoredo nvidia has always supported freesync monitors. the question is do they support freesync in their driver and hardware now?
[11:51] <TomyWork> i.e. does it actually do anything?
[11:52] <ggnoredo> yes it does, it's working on my freesync monitor, in this case gsync
[11:52] <ggnoredo> before 5.0 and nvidia latest drivers it wasn't working
[11:52] <TomyWork> ah, it seems to be a recent development
[11:52] <TomyWork> beginning of this year
[11:53] <ggnoredo> yes it's new..
[12:04] <airwind> Hey! So what's the *2019* version of communication over the internet for individuals? I'm talking about VoIP and video calls.
[12:04] <airwind> what open-souce (open-protocol) is popular?
[12:05] <airwind> back in the days it was XMPP/jingle
[12:05] <airwind> now it seems to have grown out of fashion
[12:07] <airwind> Allo! Allo!
[12:07] <jeremy31> ggnoredo: There are Ubuntu 5.0 kernels in package linux-generic-hwe-18.04-edge in proposed repos
[12:09] <ggnoredo> jeremy31: yes, i'm using 5.0.13 and it's working fine, it's just 5.1 brakes something
[12:11] <tsglove> pragmaticenigma, I figured out my problem yesterday.  It was DNS.
[12:12] <tomreyn> ggnoredo: i think jeremy31 told you this so you'd be able to use this feature without having to run a mainline kernel.
[12:12] <tomreyn> !discuss | airwind
[12:16] <ericP> i did a generic install (didn't manually fiddle with partitions) and now have 2G of swap (for 16G RAM).
[12:16] <ericP> i don't know where it comes from 'cause 4(mount | grep -i swap) shows nothing
[12:16] <ducasse> ericP: swap isn't mounted
[12:17] <ducasse> ericP: see 'swapon -s'
[12:17] <ericP> ducasse, gotcha, tx
[12:18] <ericP> ducasse, where's that typically live in the init process (i used to see it in mtab, some ages ago)
[12:18] <ducasse> ericP: check /etc/fstab
[12:19] <jebaily> I am sure you have heard of the "critical" firefox update that's going around? When does it arrive for Ubuntu? Firefox has patched it but it seems that Ubuntu firefox relies on the package manager to update?
[12:20] <ericP> ducasse, i think i was misremembering; assuming that if it was specificed in fstab that it would show up in mtab (in some magic mount point...)
[12:20] <jebaily> Firefox 66.0.4 is required and out. Ubuntu 18.04 is still stuck on 66.0.3
[12:20] <urgodfather> hello room, i am having trouble while building from source using ubuntu 14.04. i keep getting an error about faked daemon and cannot seem to make sense of it
[12:21] <CookieM> you can always use Mozilla build Firefox if you like jebaily
[12:21] <ducasse> urgodfather: 14.04 is eol and unsupported
[12:21] <ericP> ducasse, so if i want to override it, i can just edit fstab and point it at a new partition?
[12:21] <tomreyn> jebaily: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1827727
[12:22] <ducasse> ericP: yes, or use a swapfile
[12:22] <jebaily> tomreyn: Yes, that is the bug. It's fixed but not yet in the repo for 18.04
[12:22] <tomreyn> jebaily: it's in the works, test builds are done, i guess this bug report may get another update when it's out.
[12:23] <tomreyn> i mean when the backports are pushed to archives
[12:23] <jebaily> CookieM: if i use the mozilla build will that autoupdate itself (like chrome) or do need to manually update it each time?
[12:23] <ericP> ducasse, if i want to hibernate, do i need to use a partition? also, generally, what's the tradeoff between a swap partition and swap file?
[12:24] <urgodfather> ducasse thanks for the reply, i am aware that it's EOL, however the man pages for the source specify using 14.04 for the enviro. equally, they will not support me if i dont follow the man. my request is just to provide pointers as to what im missing or how to catch the error in a better way. thanks in advance.
[12:24] <stoned> Is there a way to import everything, including site passwords, cookies, etc. etc. FROM chromium-browser TO Google Chrome
[12:24] <ericP> ducasse, current is "/swapfile none swap sw 0 0" which confuses me 'cause i still seem to have swap: "Swap:       2097148           0     2097148"
[12:24] <ducasse> ericP: afaik you should be able to use a swapfile. not much tradeoff, i think
[12:24] <stoned> I use zram
[12:25] <ericP> ducasse, tx, giving it a try
[12:25] <stoned> Compress your ram. So you can have more.
[12:25] <jebaily> urgodfather: I promise nothing but what's the exact error you have?
[12:25] <CookieM> jebaily, it autoupdates, you will be given a notice
[12:26] <jebaily> CookieM: Ah thanks. I think that's the best option then.
[12:26] <stoned> https://termbin.com/aaug
[12:26] <stoned> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/blockdev/zram.txt
[12:27] <stoned> You might find it useful in addition to a swapfile.
[12:27] <tomreyn> !who | stoned
[12:27] <stoned> Ok
[12:27] <stoned> ericP: check out the last few lines I said.
[12:28] <urgodfather> the build script uses fakeroot, during the process of compiling the kernel it tells me the build failed due to being unable to start the "faked" daemon
[12:28] <stoned> urgodfather: do you have fakeroot installed?
[12:28] <urgodfather> i tried looking it up but all that i can find is in relation to windows subsystem for linux
[12:28] <urgodfather> correct
[12:28] <ducasse> ericP: use swapoff to turn off the swap you have, then expand the file
[12:29] <urgodfather> i can manually run the fakeroot command and no errors
[12:29] <stoned> https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/fakeroot/filelist here's the source package ubuntu uses
[12:29] <stoned> As you can see, faked is not a provided binary, urgodfather
[12:30] <stoned> You ahve faked-sysv and faked-tcp
[12:30] <stoned> I dunno this fakeroot stuff at all.
[12:31] <urgodfather> is faked-sysv and faked-tcp not part of faked? j/w
[12:31] <stoned> No clue.
[12:32] <stoned> you can do dpkg -L to see files in a package
[12:32] <urgodfather> thanks!
[12:32] <stoned> https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/amd64/fakeroot/filelist here's the ubuntu version of the same package same files.
[12:32] <urgodfather> i'll look into that
[12:33] <urgodfather> thanks again
[12:33] <stoned> np
[12:33] <erle-> Why are you not pushing the Firefox update?
[12:33] <stoned> urgodfather: read the manpages for those two
[12:33] <urgodfather> is it possible that im dealing with a lack of sysv ipc support? j/w
[12:33] <stoned> I just got here. What are you doing?
[12:34] <stoned> trying to build firefox?
[12:35] <ducasse> erle-: it has to be properly packaged and tested, this takes time and effort
[12:35] <urgodfather> building from source and unfortunately it specifies that i use 14.04 for the environment. yes, i know its old and eol but they wont support me if i dont have the environment set up correctly.
[12:35] <BluesKaj> so ubiquity installs a swapfile in / instead of giving an option for a swap partition on efi/gpt installs
[12:35] <urgodfather> correctly = per directions of the man
[12:35] <stoned> You will find no support for 14.x unless you probably paid someone
[12:36] <urgodfather> while building the kernel, i get an error saying failed to started "faked" daemon
[12:36] <stoned> But you have to setup a 14.x env to comply with someone else so you're stuck doing this?
[12:36] <urgodfather> yes
[12:36] <urgodfather> i know
[12:36] <urgodfather> its lame
[12:37] <urgodfather> they even require me to swap dash for bash
[12:37] <tomreyn> urgodfather: we support the ubuntu versions listed on the channel topic only. talk to the developers of the undisclosed software you are using there, or consider alternatives.
[12:37] <jebaily> some professional software?
[12:39] <urgodfather> tomreyn thanks for the reminder. i only request for generic pointers :)
[12:40] <stoned> I tried 19.04 and it was buggy so I went back to LTS
[12:40] <urgodfather> which both stoned and jebally have both graciously offered
[12:40] <stoned> I can't find trusty tar's package list or anything on packages.ubuntu.com or http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[12:41] <stoned> urgodfather: dpkg -L fakeroot|grep bin
[12:41] <stoned> what do you see?
[12:42] <jebaily> What is fakeroot actually used for? I know that the man page says it does, but what is the use case for wanting to do that?
[12:42] <stoned> I've used it to build packages before.
[12:42] <urgodfather> faked-tcp, fakeroot-sysv, fakeroot-tcp, faked-sysv
[12:42] <stoned> As advised by debian's wiki.
[12:43] <stoned> Now I use Ubuntu because I'm old and lazy and tired.
[12:43] <urgodfather> jebaily its a pseudo root used when building
[12:43] <stoned> Can't setup anything manually anymore. Let these guys do it for me. I'll just install it and use it. Tyvm
[12:46] <urgodfather> i wonder, maybe im setting up the environment wrong? it says all the dependencies need to be installed as root, including the toolchain. when im doing this, i just do it as sudo. maybe i should try again as true root?
[12:46] <alocer> mail
[12:46] <stoned> yes, that's correct.
[12:46] <stoned> You can't install packagks as fakeroot
[12:47] <urgodfather> so sudo= not real root?
[12:47] <stoned> urgodfather: no, you can use sudo it's fine. No need to be root.
[12:47] <stoned> urgodfather: it is. su do, super user do, do something
[12:47] <ducasse> urgodfather: sudo is real root, for all intents and purposes
[12:47] <urgodfather> thats what i always thought too, just spitballing
[12:47] <stoned> *nod*
[12:48] <stoned> These guys, can you ask them to maybe make a virtual machine image of an ubuntu 14.x for their clients?
[12:48] <urgodfather> lmao i wish
[12:48] <stoned> How are they expecting for people to do this with 14.x in this year?
[12:48] <urgodfather> dm me and ill explain better
[12:48] <stoned> Are you being paid at least decently for this I hope.
[12:48] <stoned> I can't.
[12:48] <cfhowlett> if they're not paying for extended support, they should be.
[12:49] <erle-> ducasse, it should build with the same parameters as the previous ones, also the current one should not pass the tests any longer if anything, so it literally cannot get worse
[12:49] <urgodfather> nah, personal endevor
[12:49] <TEOSEOOOO> hola
[12:49] <TEOSEOOOO> hi
[12:49] <stoned> I can't really, I'm about to go back and be sick.
[12:49] <stoned> Bye.
[12:49] <TEOSEOOOO> bye
[12:50] <ducasse> erle-: become a maintainer, and you can help speed things up
[12:50] <urgodfather> whelp, thanks again stoned. your guidance has been much appreciated
[12:52] <Guest13155> greetings to all :)
[12:54] <stoned> Oh yeah, sure. I wish you best of luck
[12:56] <urgodfather> is there a different way to point /bin/sh to /bin/bash other than dpkg-reconfigure dash > NO ? j/w
[12:57] <tomreyn> chsh
[12:58] <ducasse> that will change the login shell
[12:59] <stoned> while I'm here, you can also edit the shell in /etc/passwd
[13:00] <ducasse> he's trying to change the system /bin/sh, not the login shell
[13:00] <ducasse> just change the symlink
[13:00] <stoned> Oh, I thought someone said login shell
[13:00] <stoned> Oh you did for information nm.
[13:02] <urgodfather> i did an echo $SHELL and it says /bin/bash so i think it was done right
[13:02] <stoned> sudo update-alternatives --install /bin/sh sh /bin/bash
[13:02] <stoned> oh hang on, needs priority
[13:02] <stoned> sudo update-alternatives --install /bin/sh sh /bin/bash 0
[13:03] <stoned> update-alternatives: --install needs <link> <name> <path> <priority>
[13:03] <stoned> Try and learn the alternatives system. It's very usefl.
[13:04] <urgodfather> what is it?
[13:04] <urgodfather> im looking it up now too
[13:04] <ducasse> urgodfather: $SHELL tells you your login shell, it's usually bash
[13:05] <stoned> urgodfather: you can use that format to add many kinds of shells to provide `sh' for you.
[13:05] <stoned> urgodfather: then you can use update-alternatives --config sh and it will show you the options you added
[13:05] <urgodfather> ducasse oh, well that doesnt tell me if /bin/sh points to /bin/bash then does it ? :(
[13:05] <stoned> you can easily switch which shell proves /bin/sh using the update-alternatives
[13:05] <stoned> read the man page etc.
[13:06] <ducasse> urgodfather: no, 'ls _-l /bin/sh' does
[13:06] <stoned> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/en/man8/update-alternatives.8.html
[13:08] <urgodfather> well, it says cannot access _ but then underneath it says root root /bin/sh -> bash so thats good then, right?
[13:08] <urgodfather> thanks ducasse
[13:08] <tomreyn> readlink -f /bin/share we still supporting a 14.04 system here?
[13:09] <stoned> it's fine. I don't recommend you modify things manually. This is why I advised the alternatives system.
[13:09] <tomreyn> i eant: are we still supporting a 14.04 system here?
[13:09] <stoned> tomreyn: isn't lts 5 years?
[13:09] <cfhowlett> !14.04
[13:09] <stoned> was there a 14 lts?
[13:09] <stoned> ahh.
[13:09] <TomyWork> stoned that's pretty bold, advising people to mess with system-managed alternatives :)
[13:09] <stoned> it's been 5 years.
[13:09] <ericP> ducasse, stoned, hibernate works on my lenovo yoga, tx for your help!
[13:09] <Mead> I've got a question, why isn't apt-transport-https installed by default?
[13:10] <TomyWork> because it's not needed
[13:10] <tomreyn> Mead: in current releases, that's because it's supported by apt itself.
[13:10] <stoned> TomyWork: in order to eats an omelet, you have to break some eggs
[13:10] <urgodfather> oh wow, it went eol 2 weeks ago!!! bummer
[13:11] <stoned> TomyWork: alternatives system is precisely what's needed here.
[13:11] <stoned> it's a much cleaner way to handle the system wide symlinks rather than doing things manaully
[13:14] <urgodfather>  well now im getting an error loading libfakeroot-tcp.so from LD_PRELOAD (cannot open shared object)
[13:14] <urgodfather> sounds like i broke something along the way
[13:14] <urgodfather> time to wipe and start fresh
[13:14] <urgodfather> on 16.04 of course
[13:15] <urgodfather> ;) tomreyn
[13:18] <ducasse> urgodfather: we have good reasons for not supporting eol releases, so there's not much we can do for you, unfortunately
[13:18] <TomyWork> stoned oh i thought /bin/sh ws already alternatives managed
[13:18] <TomyWork> +-
[13:18] <stoned> TomyWork: it's not! It seems
[13:19] <urgodfather> its all good ducasse, i am grateful for what suggestions were given
[13:19] <stoned> TomyWork: which is why I add them myself, dash, bash, zsh, tsh, etc.
[13:20] <TomyWork> seems like an obvious candidate for the alternatives system
[13:20] <stoned> Shells are usually only managed on a user level basis, the system shell is just sh/bash etc mostly
[13:20] <stoned> *nod*
[13:20] <stoned> And ubuntu made the decision to switch to dash I think a while ago.
[13:20] <urgodfather> knowing that 14.04 went eol 2 weeks ago also gives me leverage with the originator of the source code
[13:21] <zette> Hi, how to install WhatsApp on Ubuntu?
[13:21] <urgodfather> stoned, yeah if i remember, that was like back around 9.x
[13:21] <stoned> What's App is an ARM based app which you can emulate on android-x86 or android emulator or anbox (if any of those work for you, my hardware is too old so I couldn't make it work)
[13:22] <tomreyn> zette: there is yowsup-cli in ubuntu 18.04 - but i have no experience with it, including with whether it works.
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> stoned, urgodfather: Please take the discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic. And focus on Ubuntu support questions and answers here. Thank you
[13:23] <zette> Anbox is emulator?
[13:23] <stoned> yowsup is a python library that enables building applications that can communicate with WhatsApp users.
[13:23] <stoned> I don't think it would help him much unless he was a developer.
[13:23] <urgodfather> zette you can run bluestacks on ubuntu but that may be a little asinine for whatsapp. maybe pidgin can connect to it?
[13:23] <tomreyn> !info yowsup-cli
[13:23] <stoned> bluestacks is windows only.
[13:24] <stoned> oh the -cli is a tool. Cool.
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | stoned
[13:24] <stoned> pragmaticenigma: please knock it off.
[13:25] <urgodfather> pragmaticenigma will do, if more questions related to my project arise, they will not go in the official channel
[13:25] <zette> How to install anbox?
[13:26] <stoned> There is nothing offtoipc about how to emulate or run android or any ARM software on Ubuntu.
[13:26] <stoned> It's a support question on how to do somethingin Ubuntu which may or may not have an answer. But it's a valid ontopic question. You constantly highlighting me needlessly is very annoying, please stop.
[13:26] <pragmaticenigma> zette: anbox is not part of the official software offerings from Ubuntu or Canonical. You can use their website for directions and support: https://anbox.io/
[13:27] <ducasse> zette: 'snap install anbox' is one way, but not supported by us
[13:27] <stoned> There is virtualbox which we can help you install, but beyond that, it's on you.
[13:27] <tomreyn> the nsap name would be "anbox-installer"
[13:27] <tomreyn> *snap
[13:28] <stoned> virtualbox + android-x86 could work for you but obviously not a support option for ubuntu here.
[13:28] <urgodfather> stoned, i think pragmaticenigma was referencing my questions/discussion about a source code originator that requires the environment to be on an 14.04 build, which is now 2 weeks eol nonetheless
[13:28] <stoned> Sure. Whatever.
[13:29] <venik212> where can I get help with Mint?
[13:29] <cfhowlett> !mint | venik212
[13:30] <ducasse> venik212: there's a ##linuxmint channel here on freenode as well
[13:38] <Mead> tomreyn: if apt supported https in current releases, do you know why this guide says that 18.04 LTS needs apt-transport-https    https://www.ostechnix.com/how-to-setup-linux-media-server-using-jellyfin/ ?
[13:39] <coconut> Mead: it's probably just not configured with https by default.
[13:42] <z3t0> hey all, I have been having some version errors when trying to install docker and nvidia-docker2 on a new machine (18.04)
[13:42] <z3t0> It seems to be a common issue but I can't find a work around in the meantime, any help is appreciated
[13:42] <ducasse> zette: you can't run whatsapp on ubuntu, it needs a sim
[13:44] <TomyWork> this guy is still running irc as root
[13:44] <cfhowlett> TomyWork/ like morpheus said ... you can only SHOW them the path.
[13:45] <tomreyn> Mead: no.
[13:45] <urgodfather> zette you would be better off using some OTHER program that is able to connect to WhatsApp servers
[13:47] <TomyWork> he's running irssi, so there's a non-zero chance he's at least not running a full desktop on that machine
[13:47] <FrozenEye> quit
[13:55] <Darmock> Hi - if I'm installing, for example, postfix, I get a dialog-type menu to configure certain aspects of it. If I install via a non-interactive shell though, how can I expect the installation to behave? Will it choose the default options and how can I influence it if possible?
[13:58] <stoned> dpkg-reconfigure debconf might help
[13:58] <zette> I cnt install Anbox :(
[14:00] <Darmock> stoned: ah! Thanks
[14:03] <ducasse> zette: did you see my message? you can't use it to run whatsapp
[14:05] <zette> ducasse: sorry I cnt see, what u say?
[14:06] <ducasse> zette: you can't run whatsapp on anbox
[14:06] <zette> ducasse: why?
[14:07] <ducasse> zette: it needs a sim card
[14:07] <stoned> here's a really wonky workaround. Run windows in a vm, then run bluestacks and run android apps.
[14:07] <ducasse> stoned: won't work
[14:10] <urgodfather> ducasse and stoned why not just suggest any other program that connects to whatsapp servers
[14:11] <ducasse> urgodfather: i would if i knew of any. a cli tool was suggested earlier, i don't know how workable that is
[14:12] <urgodfather> there's a whatsapp desktop client that is supported on ubuntu
[14:12] <urgodfather> not by #ubuntu, but there still is
[14:13] <Cheez> the desktop client will use the whatsapp web protocols though, so it still goes through your phone
[14:14] <pragmaticenigma> urgodfather: The volunteers here prefer to only offer suggestions of software that is obtainable through the official Ubuntu software channels. Since those are the only applications this channel will support. Offering a suggestion to software that isn't there implies that person could receive support here, which is not what this channel is for.
[14:14] <urgodfather> there may even be a firefox plugin
[14:15] <stoned> Not only that, but we mostly can only help with things we ourselves use/have experience with.
[14:15] <urgodfather> and, i agree, thats why im looking for one that will connect to whatsapp that is supported i.e. pidgin
[14:15] <urgodfather> for example
[14:16] <urgodfather> https://diarium.usal.es/pmgallardo/2014/07/20/how-to-access-whatsapp-using-pidgin-instant-messenger/
[14:16] <pragmaticenigma> urgodfather: What's App requires a physical mobile device with cellular service capabale of recieving SMS messaging. Any other "solution" still requires that a mobile device has been setup to use the service.
[14:16] <stoned> https://web.whatsapp.com/ what's this?
[14:16] <stoned> can you just use this?
[14:17] <stoned> They have a windows desktop client you can use in vm
[14:17] <stoned> or maybe with wine?
[14:17] <urgodfather> +1 for wine
[14:17] <stoned> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17534
[14:17] <stoned> no dice.
[14:17] <stoned> you can try it but latest rating garbge
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> just use the whatsdesk snap
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> its installable from ubuntu
[14:18] <stoned> https://www.whatsapp.com/download you can try the windows version on wine or in a windows vm
[14:18] <stoned> *shrug*
[14:18] <bindi> the windows app is just a browser
[14:18] <bindi> just use web.whatsapp.com
[14:18] <stoned> https://github.com/Enrico204/Whatsapp-Desktop/releases
[14:19] <stoned> https://www.fossmint.com/whatsapp-desktop-client-for-linux/
[14:19] <stoned> Try that. See if you can get that to work for you.
[14:19] <stoned> Good luck!
[14:20] <stoned> It's depricated and may not even work!
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> !enter
[14:32] <rudeguy> hi, i have ubuntu 18.04 and i was wondering: is it worth upgrading to 19.04? are there any big differencies?
[14:33] <CookieM> rudeguy, you will be better off staying with 18.04, it’s LTS after all
[14:33] <OerHeks> rudeguy, newer kernel, newer gnome .. i would stick to LTS, and put !HWE on top of thet
[14:33] <OerHeks> !hwe
[14:35] <_johndoe> is it possible to disable the left+right mouse click behaviour?
[14:39] <ducasse> _johndoe: what are you trying to accomplish by doing that?
[14:40] <sabondario> hfghfg
[14:40] <sabondario> fhfghfgh
[14:40] <sabondario> fhfg
[14:40] <sabondario> hfg
[14:40] <sabondario> hfg
[14:40] <rudeguy> oh lol, i meant 18.10
[14:40] <rudeguy> 18.10 isn't lts, that's why i asked if i should upgrade
[14:40] <OerHeks> 18.10 gives a limited support..
[14:41] <ducasse> rudeguy: if on 18.10 you should upgrade soon, yes
[14:41] <_johndoe> @ducasse, because the left and right buttons on my touchpad are very close to each other
[14:42] <_johndoe> and whenever i accidently click on something with both buttons, it closes whatever i click
[14:42] <rudeguy> alright... should i backup all my files and configs before upgrading?
[14:42] <ducasse> rudeguy: backups are always a good idea
[14:43] <_johndoe> so I don't want to keep closing tabs or windows whenever i click on them while using the touchpad
[14:44] <OerHeks> johndoe and on what ubuntu version?
[14:45] <_johndoe> ubuntu mate 18.04 lts
[14:55] <Qwerty710> hi
[14:57] <ansyeb> hello. anyone familiar with heketi glusterfs?
[14:58] <tomreyn> _johndoe: https://askubuntu.com/questions/725607/how-to-disable-physical-mouse-buttons-below-touchpad
[15:10] <adiaholic> Ubuntu is giving memory issues with
[15:10] <zetheroo> since 18.04 we have been experiencing intermittent and seemingly random failures of DNS ... pinging the hostname returns: Temporary failure in name resolution
[15:11] <zetheroo> I know how to fix it, but it seems to just happen again a few days later
[15:11] <zetheroo> This occurs on multiple systems, with the common denominator being 18.04
[15:12] <im0nde> Hi, I have a problem updating mysql-server on ubuntu server LTS 16.04. I get this error when running any apt-get operation:
[15:12] <im0nde> https://gist.github.com/binaryplease/ef2397b5206c5f512a8ccaefeec05328
[15:14] <adiaholic> UBUNTU 18.04 is giving memory issues with java.  Memory gets full after 6-7 hours of continuous work. Later inspite of having closing everything related to java. Memory is not free. I think it is a serious memory management issue. Please let me know if anyone has any idea about it.
[15:15] <tomreyn> adiaholic: what does your process list tell you about it?
[15:15] <Qwerty710> adiaholic: tried memtest?
[15:16] <ioria> im0nde, i suggest to check if any mysqld processes are already running; kill them ,purge mysql-server and mysql-server-5.7  and reinstall
[15:16] <tomreyn> adiaholic: also, what do "free -h" and "vmstat" report
[15:16] <im0nde> ioria: That would require to delete all data?
[15:17] <im0nde> I think I fixed it by creating a new user with that name
[15:17] <im0nde> Testing..
[15:17] <im0nde> mysql> GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '<your password>';
[15:17] <im0nde> then apt -f
[15:17] <im0nde>  apt  install -f
[15:17] <ioria> im0nde, no data involved btw
[15:18] <im0nde> ok, if it doesn't work out I'll try that
[15:18] <pizzaburger> Hey! After upgrading to 19.04, cryptsetup asks for the wrong drive to be decrypted (nvme0n1p5_crypt instead of sda5_crypt). How do I reverse it?
[15:18] <im0nde> But I conf'ed quite a bit in my.conf, would like to avoid it
[15:18] <im0nde> ioria: Seems resolved..
[15:18] <ioria> im0nde,ok
[15:19] <adiaholic> tomreyn: It tells me that multiple instances of java are running.
[15:19] <adiaholic> Also I wonder, how to run memtest. Thanks for the lead though :)
[15:19] <tomreyn> adiaholic: and how does their memory allocation add up to your total memory, also that of the other processes?
[15:21] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: boot into the system or chroot mount from a live cd and edit /etc/crypttab, then sudo update-initramfs -u
[15:21] <adiaholic> tomreyn: In what sense, is this question ?
[15:21] <adiaholic> The first instance takes about 800 MB right now where as the seconf instance takes 400 MB
[15:22] <tomreyn> adiaholic: and your total memory is?
[15:22] <adiaholic> And after 4 more hours I'm sure My 8 gb memory would be used
[15:22] <adiaholic> 8 GB is my total memory
[15:23] <tomreyn> adiaholic: so you'Re saying the memory allocation of the java processes is growing over time, and so much that your system's phical memory is fully allocated?
[15:23] <_johndoe> @tomreyn, but that'll disable the right click for good
[15:23] <_johndoe> i want to be able to use it
[15:23] <JoshShell> I set prlimit in /etc/security/limits.d/  It set on the console, but not X11.  Using lightdm
[15:23] <_johndoe> it's just the behavior that i want to disable when two buttons are used at the same time
[15:24] <adiaholic> tomreyn: my physical memory is 1 TB  which is entirely dedicated to UBUNTU 18.04
[15:24] <adiaholic> I have 8 GB of RAM
[15:24] <tomreyn> _johndoe: i see. i don't know how to do this.
[15:24] <adiaholic> And there is only one OS on my machine
[15:25] <adiaholic> So there is no chance of my PC going into hibernation
[15:25] <JoshShell> _johndoe: Did you try -Xmx ? There is another option...
[15:25] <hggdh> adiaholic: so your Java program has a memory leak somewhere
[15:25] <_johndoe> how do i do that?
[15:26] <tomreyn> adiaholic: then i can't follow you. you say you have 1 TB of physical memory, but also that you have 8 GB or RAM, fully allocated to ubuntu, and there is no other OS, so no virtualization. so how much physical memory do you have, 1 TB or 8 GB?
[15:26] <JoshShell> -XX:MaxHeapSize=512m
[15:26] <JoshShell> _johndoe: It's either -Xmx or -XX:MaxHeapSize=512m
[15:26] <tomreyn> adiaholic: go with hggdh + JoshShell, it's what you really want, i think
[15:27] <adiaholic> tomreyn: 8 GB is my physical memory
[15:27] <adiaholic> whereas 1 TB is my harddrive
[15:27] <_johndoe> JoshShell, i'm not talking about my memory though
[15:27] <adiaholic> sorry for misunderstanding
[15:27] <JoshShell> Oh, I mean adiaholic : -XX:MaxHeapSize=512m  or -Xmx
[15:27] <_johndoe> i think you mistook me for someone else
[15:27] <_johndoe> heh
[15:27] <tomreyn> adiaholic: i see, no worries.
[15:28] <adiaholic> :)
[15:33] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: So I was able to unlock the drive through DISKS in Ubuntu Live, but that same password doesn't let me decrypt the drive on boot
[15:33] <tomreyn> adiaholic: so, just to sum it up, most likely what you're seeing there is a java application leaking memory / not garbage collecting properly. that's a somewhat common issue, which can have the effect you'Re reporting. but this is not an issue with ubuntu / linux's memory management, but really one of the application. the commands you were provided can help limiting the java virtual machine to a hard maximum memory allocation, but this won't fix
[15:33] <tomreyn> your application, it will just fail when this point is reached.
[15:34] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: that's probably a keyboard layout issue
[15:34] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: hadn't we discussed this before and you filed a bug or something?
[15:35] <tomreyn> i seem to have very faint memories of such.
[15:35] <pizzaburger> like a while back?
[15:35] <tomreyn> weeks
[15:36] <pizzaburger> Don't think so
[15:36] <pizzaburger> Would have wiped and reinstalled the machine instead of waiting for weeks
[15:36] <tomreyn> okay, so i'm just mixing this up.
[15:37] <pizzaburger> So is it normal for sda5_crypt to change to nvme0n1p5_crypt after updateing to 19.04?
[15:39] <tomreyn> could be, if it's really an nvme and only the newer kernel version detects it as such.
[15:40] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: use UUIDs to prevent such issues.
[15:40] <tomreyn> see "blkid"
[15:42] <BlackDex> Hello there, is there a gui way like in unity to show all the network settings, like mac, ip, gateway, dns etc.. i can't seem to find it in gnome3
[15:43] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: and either replace your existing luks passphrase by one which does not have keyboard layout specific characters (comparing your layout to that of US-English) or add additional passphrases covering all keyboard layouts you might encounter.
[15:44] <tomreyn> BlackDex: how about settings -> network -> click on cog next to your connection profile.
[15:45] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Thanks, I'll look into blkid. Also, I've connected an external keyboard and typed the password - still no match. Is there a way to see the password when encrypting your drive ?
[15:48] <lordcirth__> pizzaburger, during the boot prompt?
[15:48] <pizzaburger> lordcirth__: yeah
[15:49] <pizzaburger> like "hunter2" instead of "******"
[15:49] <lordcirth__> pizzaburger, looking at 'man cryptsetup' it doesn't seem so
[15:50] <lordcirth__> pizzaburger, however, you might be able to get a shell in the initrd and just type it, in order to see what keymap it's using
[15:50] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: i don't think there is, it's disabled on purpose. but you can check whether yours matches when it's flly booted, switching between different keyboard layouts.
[15:52] <lordcirth__> tomreyn, do you know what kernel command line would just drop to an initrd busybox shell? That might be helpful
[15:52] <tomreyn> "break"
[15:53] <lordcirth__> Cool, thanks. pizzaburger, try 'break', then you can type in the initrd and see what it's doing
[15:53] <pizzaburger> lordcirth__: sorry, but where do I type it?
[15:54] <lordcirth__> pizzaburger, by editing the grub boot entry and appending it to the linux kernel line
[15:54] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters
[15:54] <lordcirth__> During boot, that is
[15:55] <lordcirth__> There should be a bot command for that link, come to think of it
[15:55] <BlackDex> tomreyn: that is nice for wired, but not wireless
[15:55] <tomreyn> !kernelparm
[15:55] <lordcirth__> Ah, there it is
[15:56] <BlackDex> i kinda mis the old network-manager/unity way
[15:57] <tomreyn> BlackDex: then it's settings -> wi-fi -> click on cog next to your connection profile. shows the same info as for a wired device, and the detaisl you asked for.
[15:58] <BlackDex> hmm, that seems to work, still miss the old way ;)
[15:58] <BlackDex> But thx for the pointers :)
[15:59] <tomreyn> you can also access this via the network-manager applet
[16:00] <tomreyn> BlackDex: ...so from the combined network/sound/power menu on the top right corner
[16:00] <pizzaburger> tomreyn , lordcirth__ : Okay, so it seems that the keyboard layout is changed, need numbers. And it does not let me turn on NumLock for the numpad on the external keyboard to work. Is there a way to switch the layout?
[16:02] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: in gnome-shell: Settings -> Region & Language -> Input Sources
[16:02] <lordcirth__> pizzaburger, What version were you running before the upgrade? 18.04?
[16:04] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: from the initrd, you cna use the "loadkeys" command.
[16:05] <pizzaburger> lordcirth__: 18.10
[16:05] <tomreyn> e.g. "loadkeys es" to load a spanish keyboard setup
[16:06] <tomreyn> you should probably file a bug if this failed as a result of the upgrade.
[16:11] <pizzaburger> (initramfs) loadkeys en       I get               sh: ckbcomp: not found
[16:12] <tomreyn> hmm, sorry, it's probably too early during the boot then
[16:12] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: how do I turn on Num Lock for drive decryption?
[16:12] <analogical> I'm looking for a program that can creat a bootable usbstick
[16:13] <jcotton> for what OS?
[16:13] <analogical> linux
[16:14] <boredguy> Rufus?
[16:14] <analogical> rufus is windows only
[16:15] <genii> analogical: woeusb
[16:15] <pizzaburger> analogical: UNetbootin
[16:15] <boredguy> woeusb works afaik
[16:16] <jcotton> I thought that only did Windows ISOs
[16:16] <genii> jcotton: It can turn any CD/DVD bootable image into a bootable image suitable for USB
[16:16] <jcotton> ah nice
[16:34] <singlevalue> Hello :)
[16:37] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: i don't expect numlock to work to work the same during early boot and on the fully booted system, i suggest not to use it.
[16:38] <singlevalue> Can I ask a question to whoever is available and may want to help ? :)
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> ask a question singlevalue
[16:39] <singlevalue> At the installation process i accidently selected Stockholm has my timezone, i changed it to Vienna but now the calendar and days and all are in Swedish
[16:39] <singlevalue> How can i change that ?
[16:39] <singlevalue> By the way, Ubuntu is amazing and is working great on my Macbook Pro otherwise :)
[16:40] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: tried adding setkmap=en in GRUB boot line but did not work. All I need is two numbers
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> singlevalue: systemsettings/change your language/region
[16:42] <singlevalue> ah found it, much thanks :)
[16:42] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: can't you use the number line above the character keys?
[16:42] <tomreyn> *letter, not character
[16:43] <lillo> ciao
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> !it | lillo
[16:47] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: since the layout is changed to a different language, the number line is symbols with language-specific characters
[16:48] <adam_bailey> .
[16:48] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: in case your keyboard layout is lithuanian, hold ctrl and alt while typing the numbers from the line of keys which end with the backspace on the right hand side.
[16:48] <dziegler> Hi, I use a straight forward apt-get install installation of dnsmasq as DHCP server in my network. I run into some ip address conflicts with cloned VMs (MAC address changed) and Bionic with Netplan. All VMs get the same ip address from dnsmasq . The only way to resolve this issue is to set dhcp-identifier: mac in the netplan config. Is this normal?
[16:51] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: wow, thanks. Worked with holding RIGHT alt. Did you just lookup my IP from whois?
[16:52] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: yes, and tested it here https://www.branah.com/lithuanian
[16:59] <sappheiros> how do i change web browser used to open links clicked in IRC? i changed html default to falkon, but links clicked in quassel still open in firefox
[16:59] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Seems that after the upgrade english language was removed and I was left with a different language for the kayboard layout. Facing the same issue on login screen, but need an asterisk. Is there a way to test the keyboard from the login screen?
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: system settings/details/default applications
[17:00] <sappheiros> would that not be Alternatives Configurator in lubuntu, lotuspsychje?
[17:00] <sappheiros> it comes up searching the menu for 'default'
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> sappheiros: oh i lubuntu cant recall, but i think there soemthing similar gui there too
[17:01] <sappheiros> LXQt settings > File associations?
[17:01] <sappheiros> i think i did that already
[17:01] <Rammelbieber> Hey guys, I have a question to postfix and telnet (sent a test mail on localhost). After the telnet seesion, the mail was queued. But I found no mail in the mail folder. In the log file ( /var/log/mail.log ) it was removed. oO Does anyone know why ?
[17:02] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: ctrl+alt+F2 lets me see the passowrd. Okay I logged in. Have EN language again.
[17:02] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: there's an onscreen keyboard avvailable at the login prompt
[17:03] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: So it seems that I have probably left a different language on before last shutdown. How do I make sure EN is ALWAYS the default language, even on boot?
[17:05] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Alright, so just tested it. Apparently after the 19.04 update the system automatically switches to a different language for boot up and login. What is up with that? How do I fix this?
[17:07] <ioria> pizzaburger, not sure, but try : echo "KEYMAP=Y" | sudo tee -a /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf    and  update-initramfs -u
[17:09] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: i don't know really. over the years, i've had the early cryptsetup-luks passphrase prompt switch back and forth between english and my configured locale.
[17:10] <tomreyn> so personally i've just gotten used to either have passphrases which can be entered in either, or to have both passphrases stored in key slots.
[17:10] <marquezini> what is windows linux subsystem? this shit emulates a linux inside windows kernel?
[17:10] <pizzaburger> ioria: Did not work, thanks though!
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> !language | marquezini
[17:11] <tomreyn> !wsl | marquezini
[17:11] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Also, on login screen english language is not available for selection, only the other install language. After login, english is back up. That's not normal, is it?
[17:16] <pizzaburger> I guess I'll just try re-installing Ubuntu, might have messed something up myself without knowing it...
[17:16] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: i guess gdm should offer the same keyboard layouts to choose from as gnome-shell does
[17:16] <spinningCat> i used convert and covert pdf to docx i cannot write anything
[17:16] <spinningCat> any better solution
[17:17] <spinningCat> ?
[17:17] <pizzaburger> Anyways, thanks a million tomreyn, lordcirth__ . ioria, you are awesome!
[17:18] <lordcirth__> spinningCat, pdf's arent intended to be edited or converted - are you sure you need to do that?
[17:18] <spinningCat> hmm if it is not that is okay
[17:18] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: you're welcome. maybe also give this a try: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1660041/comments/10
[17:19] <spinningCat> i fount some solution about it
[17:19] <spinningCat> i am just searching that is all lordcirth__
[17:19] <lordcirth__> spinningCat, It is possible, I'd just try to find other ways first
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> spinningCat: inkscape can edit pdf's if thats what you want?
[17:20] <tomreyn> spinningCat: try loading the pdf in libre office.
[17:21] <ducasse> if the text is editable, that's not true for all pdfs
[17:24] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Thanks. but that did not work for neither the decrypt or login
[17:24] <spinningCat> i will keep those in my mind thanks
[17:27] <ioria> pizzaburger, can you paste  /etc/default/keyboard ?
[17:27] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Also, I removed non-EN languages completely and the layout is still in a different language on decrypt. Its wild.
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> pizzaburger: tomreyn is afk for the moment
[17:30] <pizzaburger> ioria: paste.ubuntu.com/p/W9HhY6ZgRZ
[17:30] <pizzaburger> ioria: This is after removing non-EN keyboards (layout during decrypt is still non-EN)
[17:31] <ioria> pizzaburger, setxkbmap -query
[17:32] <pizzaburger> ioria: paste.ubuntu.com/p/2M34GC4V5Z
[17:34] <ioria> pizzaburger,  try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[17:35] <pizzaburger> ioria: 1 sec, need to find my keyboard model
[17:35] <ioria> pizzaburger,  pc105
[17:37] <pizzaburger> ioria: paste.ubuntu.com/p/jnBbyJm<97
[17:37] <pizzaburger> ioria: paste.ubuntu.com/p/jnBbyJnM97
[17:38] <ioria> pizzaburger,  no
[17:43] <pizzaburger> ioria: Finished the set-up. Rebooted and both - decrypt and login - work fine with having EN as default language. Thanks! So will installing another keyboard language mess this up?
[17:44] <ioria> pizzaburger,  maybe, i know that there are some issues if you use a not-en encryption passphrase
[17:45]  * eelstrebor was wondering if the topic could be changed to indicate which version(s) are LTS?
[17:46] <pizzaburger> ioria: Installed an alt keyboard language, and it did not mess everything up. I'm super happy, thanks for the help!
[17:46] <ioria> pizzaburger,  ok, no problem
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> its an idea eelstrebor feel free to suggest that in #ubuntu-ops
[18:00] <_rabelais> nicklist
[18:01] <Single21YearsOld> I will start my Live Show in 10 minutes. Fastest people will join my Private Live for FREE! Be among the first 5 people to write me "FREE INVITE" on my CAM room: http://snip.li/Y9uLM
[18:10] <ekiro> is there a performance benefit to compile installing or is it the same as installing a package?
[18:10] <ekiro> talking about nginx specifically
[18:14] <calcul0n_> ekiro, it could help if you know what compiler flags you need exactly but i don't think it would change things much
[18:15] <calcul0n_> in general you want to compile because you don't have the package or just want the latest version
[18:15] <NyanCat> I have a really smart and possibly very dumb question
[18:16] <NyanCat> Why is ca.archive.ubuntu.com over IPv6 routing to the netherlands?
[18:16] <NyanCat> should that not be, err, in canada?
[18:18] <lordcirth_> NyanCat, probably because not all mirrors support IPv6 yet?
[18:19] <lordcirth_> NyanCat, try mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
[18:19] <NyanCat> Will try later
[18:20] <NyanCat> I only ask because I'm having a hard time updating my system right now and there seems to be a *ton* of packet loss along the way
[18:22] <tds> NyanCat: here at least that resolves to the same set of IPs as archive.ubuntu.com and gb.archive.ubuntu.com, and all of those IPs appear to be servers in london (though I suppose it might be anycasted?)
[18:22] <NyanCat> ?_?
[18:23] <tds> actually, that just looks like a wildcard record, I see the same addresses on randomstring.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:27] <qwebirc19566> Hey can anyone tell me what Im missing? I'm trying to do a software raid on the ubuntu server setup, I've got two drives and set it on raid 1 with 1 active and 1 spare, and its saying I cant do this because "Raid level 1 requires at least 2 active devices"
[18:27] <Mee12>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Mee12 ypplkxdvyods
[18:27] <Mee12>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Mee12 ypplkxdvyods
[18:28] <dax> Mee12: remove the space(s) from the starty
[18:28] <dax> or /quit, i guess
[18:29] <tds> qwebirc19566: so you need two active drives, not one active and one spare
[18:29] <tds> if you want a hotspare you need 3 drives
[18:29] <qwebirc19566> Oh so I create a boot partition on one and set two as active?
[18:29] <NyanCat> tds: So it would seem
[18:30] <tds> qwebirc19566: ah, that gets a little more painful - iirc you should be able to put your /boot on a mdadm mirror, and then install grub on both drives, it'll take a bit of fiddling though
[18:30] <akakaka> Hey can anyone tell me what this thing is installing https://imgur.com/a/Vn6HXPZ
[18:30] <akakaka> ?
[18:30] <qwebirc19566> As soon as I try and do anything with the drives in regards to partitions or anything, it greys out the raid option
[18:30] <NyanCat> though i guess if i wanted to update my system using windowsisbetter.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:30] <NyanCat> for hilarity...
[18:31] <tds> heh
[18:31] <tds> qwebirc19566: what version is this? for server at least the installer has changed a lot recently
[18:32] <qwebirc19566> the newest one, it updated as soon as I ran it, was it 15.05? I cant remember sorry
[18:32] <lordcirth_> qwebirc19566, 18.04 is latest LTS and 19.04 is latest stable.
[18:32] <tds> ^ would be useful to know if this was with the desktop or server installer as well
[18:32] <qwebirc19566> Must be 19.04, its the server installer
[18:33] <lordcirth_> qwebirc19566, raid 1 requires 2 actives, why would you set a spare?
[18:33] <lordcirth_> Ah, someone said that already
[18:33] <qwebirc19566> I think I was getting confused with the terminology sorry yeah
[18:33] <qwebirc19566> Even if I set both as active it says "requires two active devices"
[18:34] <qwebirc19566> ah wait one sec
[18:34] <qwebirc19566> It now says "If you put all disks into RAID or LVM VGs, there will be nowhere to put the boot partition"
[18:38] <qwebirc19566> Im getting kind of confused sorry, havent set up a raid like this before, so from that error it looks like it cant create the two disk raid because it doesnt know where to place the boot partition
[18:38] <qwebirc19566> but if I manually define any partitions it greys out the raid menu
[18:49] <qwebirc19566> Anyone know what Im missing? I even tried to do the auto "Use the entire disk" and the raid option greys out
[18:51] <lordcirth_> qwebirc19566, don't raid the whole drives, raid a large partition on each drive
[18:51] <jcotton> isn't LVM a better idea than RAID?
[18:51] <lordcirth_> Then put the boot partition beside it
[18:51] <lordcirth_> jcotton, how so?
[18:51] <jcotton> I just thought it was
[18:51] <lordcirth_> LVM has more features, but is also more complex, especially if you start doing raid with it
[18:52] <lordcirth_> If all you want is for everything to be raid1, mdraid is simplest.
[18:53] <qwebirc19566> could I just install everything on one drive for now and setup raid once Im booted? that might be easier
[18:53] <qwebirc19566> like, just use the reccomended partitions etc and set up the raid once its logged in
[18:53] <Anonymous> ?
[18:53] <dziegler> Will /etc/machine-id gets created automatically if i remove the file and reboot the system?
[18:53] <lordcirth_> qwebirc19566, no, mdraid goes underneath, so replacing it after wouldn't really work
[18:54] <lordcirth_> qwebirc19566, one thing you could do is install / using btrfs, then use btrfs mirroring to the other drive.
[18:54] <lordcirth_> But btrfs is again more complex than mdraid.
[18:54] <qwebirc19566> so how could I get to mdraid while Im in the setup iso?
[18:55] <lordcirth_> qwebirc19566, just make a 512MB /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2. Use one as /boot or ESP. Then make /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2, using all remaining space.
[18:56] <lordcirth_> qwebirc19566, set both a2 and b2 to be "physical volume for raid". Then make a raid1 on it. Then format the raid1 device ext4 and select it as /. Done
[18:56] <Guest89068> anyone got virtualbox working on ubuntu 18 with secure boot? seem to be broken as fuck
[18:56] <lordcirth_> !ohmy | Guest89068
[18:56] <lordcirth_> Guest89068, please be more specific. What exactly happens?
[18:57] <Guest89068> it "modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'vboxdrv': Required key not available
[18:57] <jcotton> did you enable secure boot after installing vbox?
[18:57] <Guest89068> i have tried every guide i could fine. creating scripts to sign stuff etc etc. wondered if there was some more serious issue
[18:58] <jcotton> reinstalling it might trigger any signing that needs to happen
[18:58] <Guest89068> i ran the apt install virtualbox-dkms. then i rebooted typed the password etc
[18:58] <Guest89068> i have removec. clean and reinstalled multiple times now
[18:58] <lordcirth_> Guest89068, it is possible; but it might be easier to disable secure boot, or try KVM with virt-manager
[18:58] <lordcirth_> Since KVM comes built in, it should just work, I think.
[18:59] <Guest89068> lordcirth_: yes virt manager might be better. il give it a try
[19:02] <qwebirc19566> Ok im really confused, sorry to keep asking
[19:03] <qwebirc19566> Like, I thought I could just select create software raid, set it to 1 and set the two drives to active
[19:03] <lordcirth_> qwebirc19566, not if you need a boot partition.
[19:03] <qwebirc19566> where do I create the boot partition? just one one of the drives?
[19:04] <qwebirc19566> If I try that the option to create a raid greys out
[19:04] <lordcirth_> qwebirc19566, it should reappear if you then make a second partition and mark it as "physical volume for raid"
[19:05] <lordcirth_> You need to make a partition using most of the space on each drive, and mark them for raid.
[19:05] <qwebirc19566> I dont get that option cirth, I get Size, Format (ext4 default) and Mount, which is things like /, /home, etc
[19:05] <lordcirth_> qwebirc19566, it should be under format, then.
[19:06] <qwebirc19566> ah ffffffff thats how it works, you have to do the second partition as "leave unformatted"
[19:07] <qwebirc19566> sorry *"leave unmounted"
[19:07] <lordcirth_> Yeah, you can't raid it with a filesystem mounted on it
[19:12] <qwebirc19566> Right I finally got it working, thanks for the help everyone
[19:13] <lordcirth_> qwebirc19566, great!
[19:14] <OerHeks> !cookie | lordcirth_
[19:15] <lordcirth_> lol
[19:16] <la_mettrie>  i have studied a kernel book and read stuff like introduction to sysadminstration ...but how to get into this systemd or startup scripts in general? do i need some sort of practice project?
[19:17] <wligtenberg> Hi, I installed 19.04 and I am trying to configure thunderbird for my email. I host my own and have a self-signed cert. (I know I need to move to LE, something with time and things not being broken) I cannot make Thunderbird trust my certs even though it is listed as permanently trusted
[19:18] <OerHeks> la_mettrie, basicly with systemd you want to create a unit file, that is just a systemd script for the framework
[19:18] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers#Example_Services
[19:20] <OerHeks> la_mettrie, i often take a look at arch examples and wiki, lots are in common. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd
[19:21] <la_mettrie> oerheks: okay, thanks for tips.
[19:23] <OerHeks> la_mettrie, networking, is also a new kind of script, no more interfaces file, but netplan https://netplan.io/examples
[19:24] <OerHeks> why the change? it all comes in handy when you use virtualisation/mass deployment, easier to maintain and control
[19:24] <naptastic> I'm running Ubuntu 18.04. How do I configure the system to get its hostname, domain name, and resolvers from my DHCP server? It's completely ignoring them.
[19:25] <OerHeks> hostnamectl status
[19:29] <ioria> naptastic, can't you set the hostname ?
[19:38] <naptastic> ioria, it's for a diskless environment, so the hostname can't be fixed.
[19:39] <leftyfb> naptastic: was this working for you previously?
[19:39] <urgodfather> stoned you around?
[19:40] <naptastic> leftyfb, the last time I did a PXE environment, systemd and udev didn't exist. (The world was a better place back then.)
[19:40] <jojo_> hi
[19:40] <jojo_> hola
[19:40] <naptastic> buenos dias
[19:40] <jojo_> I've got a question
[19:41] <lordcirth_> !ask | jojo_
[19:41] <ioria> naptastic, i'd use ip for the /nfsroot not the hostname ...
[19:41] <lordcirth_> naptastic, this is 18.04 desktop or server?
[19:42] <naptastic> lordcirth_, the diskless environment started as 18.04 server, and I installed MATE on top of that. (Is that what you were asking?)
[19:43] <lordcirth_> naptastic, ok, so you are using netplan with systemd-networkd?
[19:43] <naptastic> ioria, AFAIK it's not possible to do NFS mounts via hostname. What I need is for the diskless client to set its hostname based on what the DHCP server gives it.
[19:44] <jojo_> ok :) My problem is, that now, if I want to test an application I wrote a bug-fix for I do a make install. But then obviously it gets installed in my working desktop environment. Is there a tool for testing my implentations in a clean environment?
[19:44] <naptastic> lordcirth_, I removed systemd-resolved but not -networkd
[19:44] <jojo_> !patience
[19:45] <naptastic> typing w/ a baby in one arm :|
[19:45] <jcotton> don't drop it
[19:45] <lordcirth_> jojo_, LXC or docker containers are frequently used for that.
[19:46] <lordcirth_> naptastic, ok, can you please pastebin anything in /etc/netplan/ ?
[19:46] <jojo_> ah ok thank you I'll try that
[19:46] <naptastic> lordcirth_, yes; one moment
[19:47] <naptastic> whenever this kid decides to sttop trying to eat my headphone cable
[19:47] <lordcirth_> :)
[19:50] <leftyfb> naptastic: https://www.hiroom2.com/2018/05/30/ubuntu-1804-hostname-en/#sec-5
[19:52] <naptastic> leftyfb, that's bizarre; it's definitely not behaving that way.
[19:52] <ioria> naptastic, please, check if you have an /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg file
[19:52] <leftyfb> naptastic: you have the hostname set to "localhost" in the image you're booting?
[19:53] <naptastic> ioria, /etc/cloud doesn't exist.
[19:53] <ioria> ok
[19:53] <naptastic> leftyfb, /etc/hostname is 'localhost.localdomain' I guess it needs to be *just* localhost?
[19:53]  * naptastic tries that real quick
[19:54] <lordcirth_> Not sure, try
[19:55] <naptastic> guh... why does tftp have to be so slow ;_;
[19:55] <jcotton> b/c it's pretty much only to bootstrap PXE
[19:56] <lordcirth_> There are tricks you can pull, like having a bootloader on a USB stick that downloads the OS over a better protocol.
[19:57] <naptastic> leftyfb, lordcirth_, the hostname is still set to localhost. I'm about to pastebin the thing.
[19:57] <leftyfb> naptastic: and you have option host-name set and an entry for your MAC and hostname set?
[19:57] <naptastic> https://dpaste.de/ZneN
[19:58] <naptastic> leftyfb, let me make absolutely sure, but I think I do.
[19:58] <lordcirth_> Ok, so I would try using networkd instead
[20:00] <lordcirth_> naptastic, Try this, substituting 'eth0' as needed: https://gist.github.com/lordcirth/047a5c3df90b78b6488826b1bceccfe7
[20:01] <TEOSEOOOO> hola
[20:01] <naptastic> bonjour
[20:02] <LUCITA> HOLA
[20:02] <TEOSEOOOO> hola
[20:02] <naptastic> lordcirth_, I had the wrong MAC address set. I corrected that but it still has the problem. I'm applying your change next.
[20:03] <naptastic> also I apologize for encouraging this behavior. Yes I know what day it is. This is still #ubuntu.
[20:03] <LUCITA> JAJAJAJAJAAJAAJAAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJA
[20:03] <LUCITA> PUTO
[20:04] <lordcirth_> !es | LUCITA
[20:06] <naptastic> also, calling someone that is quite rude.
[20:11] <TEOSEOOOO> HOLA
[20:12] <LORENZO> YHVTGFVGCVTFHGHF
[20:12] <LORENZO> HOLA
[20:12] <TEOSEOOOO> holaaaaaa
[20:12] <TEOSEOOOO> seuuuuuuu
[20:12] <TEOSEOOOO> kinck efnh vjqn
[20:12] <TEOSEOOOO> lucca sali
[20:12] <naptastic> hggdh, <3
[20:13] <lordcirth_> naptastic, still loading?
[20:13] <hggdh> TEOSEOOOO (and friends): you earned a quiet.
[20:13] <naptastic> lordcirth_, I got distracted; the interface name is stable for each host, but might not be the same for every client.
[20:13] <lordcirth_> naptastic, ah, I will update the gist for that case
[20:14] <naptastic> I'll just try it with the interface name for this host
[20:14] <lordcirth_> Yeah, try it for now
[20:14] <naptastic> lordcirth_, you're too kind; I was just reading the documentation on that .yaml file to try to figure it out.
[20:14] <lordcirth_> You can also match on mac; if you expect to always have 1 ethernet, you could perhaps disable deterministic naming
[20:16] <lordcirth_> naptastic, right, so in your grub boot line, "net.ifnames=0"
[20:16] <lordcirth_> Then you can use 'eth0' in netplan, so long as you only have 1 ethernet.
[20:16] <naptastic> Sweet!
[20:17] <ash_worksi> is `pg_wrapper` a postgresql thing or an ubuntu thing?
[20:19] <lordcirth_> ash_worksi, Ubuntu, according to: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CANnCtn%2Bx1HgSpdghjWnqcjW%3DiZnrQhSeLM%3DNe7gDdS%3DJq7OXUg%40mail.gmail.com
[20:22] <ash_worksi> I see, I was wondering if I could use that to somehow make a default naming convention for pg_dump
[20:23] <rudeguy> hi, I've recently upgraded to Ubuntu 19.04 and I can't boot into it anymore. here's a screen: https://imgur.com/mSyeMGE
[20:23] <ash_worksi> something like, $(hostname).$(cluster if there is more than one).$database.$(object such as a specific table or schema if passed to the dump command).$(type such as globals, roles, pre/postdata, etc, if passed to the dump command).$(date).${ext:-sql}
[20:23] <ash_worksi> 19 is out now?
[20:24] <hggdh> ash_worksi: you mean Ubuntu 19.04? Yes,
[20:24] <lordcirth_> rudeguy, what did you upgrade from?
[20:24] <naptastic> arrrrgh I should have backed up that file! At least I can edit it trivially.
[20:24] <rudeguy> 18.10
[20:25] <rudeguy> from what I can understand, I have to change to uuid. I think I can change it with refind (which is my boot manager), but what should I change it into?
[20:25] <lordcirth_> rudeguy, what is your partitioning scheme?
[20:26] <ash_worksi> maybe there's a better place to ask my question
[20:26] <rudeguy> first one is EFI partion. second and third is windows 10. fourth is ubuntu.
[20:27] <lordcirth_> rudeguy, no mdraid or LVM or anything?
[20:28] <naptastic> ash_worksi, the postgres channel is much more likely to be able to help you. (As a starting point though, is there a way to form a query that will gather those pieces of information and concatenate them for you?)
[20:29] <rudeguy> i don't know, i've never used either of those
[20:31] <lordcirth_> rudeguy, it seems to me that it's already using a UUID; and it lists no partitions as being available
[20:31] <lordcirth_> rudeguy, So you should probably boot a liveUSB and see if the partition is actually there and mountable
[20:35] <rudeguy> hey, actually, it seems i'm able to boot with an older version of linux. only the newest one (5.0) doesn't work.
[20:36] <symtex> how can I use syslog-ng to monitor log file for regex pattern and execute script if log entry matches
[20:37] <lordcirth_> rudeguy, oh, that's interesting
[20:37] <lordcirth_> symtex, you might get more help on #syslog-ng
[20:37] <rudeguy> ...why?
[20:38] <sappheiros> how do i unset $BROWSER so falkon rather than firefox will be my default browser?
[20:39] <symtex> lordcirth_: tried, no answers...
[20:44] <rudeguy> lordcirth_: so what can i do about it?
[20:47] <madkins> sappheiros: have you looked into unset? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/unset.1posix.html
[20:48] <sappheiros> madkins: yes, 'help unset' showed the same documentation as i recall, but i don't know which option to use for $BROWSER
[20:48] <sappheiros> i don't know if it's a variable or a function
[20:48] <sappheiros> lxqt-config-session indicates it's firefox, i think
[20:49] <sappheiros> i suppose it's a variable ...
[20:49] <sappheiros> unset -v $browser returned the prompt without any message
[20:50] <sappheiros> but quassel still loads links in firefox
[20:50] <madkins> and is this in Lubuntu?
[20:56] <madkins> sappheiros: what do you get back when you run xdg-settings get default-web-browser?
[20:57] <madkins> and it looks like that utility has a set option as well
[20:58] <rudeguy> i've noticed that the file "init.img" has the type "link (broken)". could this somehow be related to my problem?
[20:59] <rudeguy> the file init.img is in my root folder
[20:59] <madkins> sappheiros: got that digging through this https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1513
[20:59] <sappheiros> i get firefox.desktop
[21:01] <madkins> maybe try changing it using xdg-settings set default-web-browser falkon.desktop
[21:02] <sappheiros> madkins: xdg-settings: $BROWSER is set and can't be changed with xdg-settings
[21:02] <sappheiros> this "$BROWSER" seems to be the fundamental problem
[21:03] <sappheiros> ... that is to say, the main obstacle i, as an end user, am facing
[21:03] <rudeguy> can someone please help me?
[21:17] <Bashing-om> rubick: Just joined the channel - where are you seeing a "init.img" files ? As my 18.04 xubuntu install does not have such.
[21:19] <Bashing-om> sorry rubick - bad tab as rudeguy left :(
[21:22] <symtex> i think im done asking for help on irc
[21:22] <javashin> hello
[21:41] <pizzaburger> Hey, is the 'install-info' bug when upgrading to 19.04 anything serious?
[21:41] <hggdh> pizzaburger: what is the 'install-info bug'?
[21:42] <pizzaburger> After the upgrade to 19.04 I  get an error saying that it was unsuccessful, and right after it it says that everything is ok
[21:42] <pizzaburger> hggdh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1823004
[21:44] <hggdh> pizzaburger: per the bug, seems it still works.
[21:45] <OerHeks> i find this interesting
[21:45] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1106064/dpkg-error-with-install-info
[21:45] <OerHeks> as oracle does not provide packaes to the webupd8 ppa
[21:46] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/java
[21:46] <OerHeks> The Oracle JDK License has changed for releases starting April 16, 2019.
[21:46] <activist> Hey fellows. I have a question. I did my grub as hidden but if i press ESC after BIOS splash i still can access grub menu. How can i disable ESC's ability? Thanks a lot.
[21:47] <OerHeks> activist, interesting question, don't press ESC i guess
[21:47] <activist> :|
[21:47] <OerHeks> why would you need esc ?
[21:48] <activist> I don't need ESC. I just want to disable grub completely.
[21:48] <jcotton> why
[21:48] <hggdh> OerHeks: IIRC, Java-8 was dropped by mistake at Debian (and propagated to Ubuntu); there was talk of re-instating it, but I did not follow up
[21:48] <OerHeks> openjdk8 ?
[21:48] <hggdh> OerHeks: yes, sorry
[21:48] <activist> I am using LUKS and i want to see that in boot. Actually i don't want to disable. Just wanna disable ESC's ability.
[21:49] <OerHeks> yeah, too many users & compagnies that rely on old code..
[21:49] <OerHeks> activist, would it not be easier to disable the splash, so you see the load?
[21:50] <activist> one moment.
[21:50] <OerHeks> remove the splash part in the grub line, and run update-grub
[21:50] <OerHeks> !grub
[21:50] <activist> i already did like that but if someone press ESC after BIOS splash he can access boot menu and he can try edit boot config
[21:51] <jcotton> if you're trying to secure your system then you're going about it the worng way
[21:51] <OerHeks> hmm protect grub with password?
[21:51] <jcotton> physical access is total access
[21:51] <jcotton> generally
[21:51] <activist> jcotton what do you recommend?
[21:51] <activist> oerheks i didn't know grub does have a password.
[21:52] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Passwords
[21:52] <activist> oerheks may i ask how do you grup stores password? I mean if hash which digest algorithm?
[21:53] <jcotton> rot26
[21:53] <activist> should i edit LUKS configuration for using this?
[21:54] <OerHeks> jups rot26 grub-mkpasswd-pbkdf2 Encrypted password protection
[21:54] <OerHeks> hmm, never tried on luks..
[21:54] <activist> hmm.. i can't take risk..
[21:56] <life_coach> FUCK YOU NIGGERS
[22:22] <activist> Hi guys. I used grub-mkpasswd-pbkdf2 and working good. Thanks for your effort.
[22:27] <OerHeks> activist, have fun!
[22:31] <activist> what does mean oerheks?
[22:32] <OerHeks> activist, it is just my ubuntu-member name.
[22:32] <activist> i see
[22:33] <OerHeks> I am *just* an volunteer, not that special. just like to give good answers you can pass on.
[22:34] <activist> Thank you for your big heart. May i ask more questions?
[22:34] <OerHeks> that saves us a lot of time :-D
[22:34] <OerHeks> sure
[22:34] <ChunkzZ> how do I create an override conf file for minidlna? it's saying I can't: echo -e 'After=mnt-3TB.mount\Wants=mnt-3TB.mount\n' | sudo tee /etc/systemd/system/minidlna.service.d/override.conf
[22:34] <ChunkzZ> tee: /etc/systemd/system/minidlna.service.d/override.conf:
[22:35] <OerHeks> ChunkzZ, perform this as root? sudo echo..
[22:36] <ChunkzZ> I'm already root.
[22:36] <OerHeks> oh, wait, sudo is in the 2nd part
[22:36] <ChunkzZ> echo -e 'After=mnt-3TB.mount\Wants=mnt-3TB.mount\n' | sudo tee /etc/systemd/system/minidlna.service.d/override.conf is the command I want to do.
[22:37] <ChunkzZ> and sudo sed -i '1 i [Unit]' /etc/systemd/system/minidlna.service.d/override.conf
[22:41] <OerHeks> check that /etc/systemd/system/minidlna.service.d/override.conf manually, and i find this manjaro answer https://forum.manjaro.org/t/solved-minidlna-permission-denied/38915
[22:41] <OerHeks> sudo systemctl edit minidlna.service
[22:41] <OerHeks> It will open a editor and created the override file.
[22:42] <OerHeks> there you can put the wait-until-3tb-is-mounted rule
[22:44] <ChunkzZ> OerHeks, just rebooting
[22:54] <muzammil> anyone can help with me to run .exe file on ubuntu?
[22:55] <OerHeks> muzammil, sounds like you need wine
[22:55] <OerHeks> !wine
[22:55] <muzammil> yes i did it
[22:55] <muzammil> but i couldnt run lenovo pc suite
[22:55] <OerHeks> #winehq and their data base is your help
[22:56] <ChunkzZ> OerHeks, minidlna isn't working still, I created the override conf too.
[22:56] <muzammil> i did it all as per guidlines
[22:59] <Spookan> I need a tip of a good Youtube downloader. Anyone?
[23:00] <ChunkzZ> OerHeks, error: Media directory "V,/mnt/3TB/movies" not accessible [No such file or directory]
[23:00] <OerHeks> latest versions are available via snap https://snapcraft.io/youtube-dl
[23:00] <ChunkzZ> any idea OerHeks ?
[23:00] <OerHeks> that "V," seems like a typo
[23:01] <ChunkzZ> no.
[23:03] <OerHeks> i wonder now if that took the user conf
[23:03] <ChunkzZ> what?
[23:04] <OerHeks> so you need to login first, not on system service level
[23:04] <ChunkzZ> what?
[23:04] <ChunkzZ> this is in my fstab: UUID="2d5515b9-201f-4902-9f97-14951902b2a6" /mnt/500GB/ ext4 defaults,nofail 0 0
[23:05] <ChunkzZ> and this is my minidlna conf: media_dir=V,/mnt/3TB/movies
[23:06] <OerHeks> so you have 2 mounts?
[23:06] <ChunkzZ> yes. 500gb and 3tb.
[23:15] <ChunkzZ> this is so annoying
[23:16] <ChunkzZ> OerHeks, how do I check the mount?
[23:16] <ChunkzZ> it keeps saying: error: Media directory "V,/mnt/3TB/tvshows" not accessible [No such file or directory]
[23:17] <ChunkzZ> but when I change it to just /mnt/3TB it detects it.
[23:17] <rinzewind> Good evening. I'm having a weird problem with Ubuntu and I haven't found anything with a prior Google search.
[23:18] <ChunkzZ> get in line rinzewind ;p
[23:18] <rinzewind> I have this Asus Eeepc from 2011 that has had several Ubuntu versions. I update from time to time and, so far, so good.
[23:18] <rinzewind> ChunkzZ: I'll tell my story and then wait patiently, of course :-)
[23:19] <rinzewind> However, since a week ago or so, when I start it the screen is blank. I see the Ubuntu text at start up, but after that, nothing. However, everything is there, I can type my password and log in.
[23:19] <rinzewind> And if I close the lid or set the computer to sleep and wake it after, then the screen is fine.
[23:19] <rinzewind> So it's only a minor problem, I can start the computer and then do Fn + F1 and then Alt to wake it up and all is good, but I wonder why this might happen.
[23:19] <OerHeks> ChunkzZ, that would require a folder /mnt/3TB/tvshows .. i think just mount  /mnt/3TB  and the /tvshows and /movies are accessable too
[23:20] <rinzewind> I don't recall having updated the X system recently or anything like that. The only thing that happened before this is that it ran out of battery and it shut down by itself. But that's all.
[23:20] <rinzewind> So if anyone has any clue, it'll be much appreciated. Thanks!
[23:20] <ChunkzZ> OerHeks, but other files are there too and it's doing my head in!
[23:22] <tomreyn> ChunkzZ: what you originally pasted here for running on your shell to create /etc/systemd/system/minidlna.service.d/override.conf had a typo, saying \W where it should have said \nW
[23:23] <tomreyn> i'm not sure this is in any way related to the issues you're seeing, though.
[23:24] <ChunkzZ> yeah that's sorted now
[23:29] <tomreyn> ChunkzZ: what's the output of   ls -l /mnt/3TB ? also post your /etc/minidlna.conf (!pastebinit)
[23:30] <tomreyn> rinzewind: do you have older kernel versions still installed? ls /boot/vmlinu*
[23:32] <tomreyn> rinzewind: also run this and post the URL;  nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";)
[23:32] <rinzewind> tomreyn: yes, I have several older versions.
[23:32] <rinzewind> But I'm booting with the latest.
[23:33] <tomreyn> rinzewind: note that having different ubuntu versions installed next to one another can cause each of them to install and update the grub boot code, and you could then end up with an older grub which does not work with the newer ubuntu version
[23:35] <tomreyn> rinzewind: the reason i'm asking about your multiple kernel images is that what you describe could also be a problem in a newer kernel version, not present in an older kernel version, so you may want to boot into the kernel version you were runninug by the time the graphical boot still diplayed fine and see whether it still does.
[23:35] <rinzewind> https://termbin.com/a8ng
[23:35] <rinzewind> tomreyn: yes, you're right.
[23:35] <rinzewind> I'm going to check that right now and I'll be back.
[23:36] <rinzewind> And I just saw there's an update to grub; I'll update and restart with the same kernel, just in case, then try the old one.
[23:36] <tomreyn> make only once change at a time
[23:37] <tomreyn> *one
[23:37] <rinzewind> tomreyn: yes, yes.
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[23:37] <rinzewind> tomreyn: 1) update grub and restart with this kernel 2) restart with older kernel.
[23:45] <rinzewind> tomreyn: It is the new kernel version. The old one boots up alright.
[23:46] <tomreyn> rinzewind: have a look at the latest kernels' log then, at the early graphics initialization during boot (involving (not only) plymouth).
[23:46] <tomreyn> see if you can work out an error message there
[23:47] <tomreyn> compare it line by line to the other kernels's boot where it works fine
[23:48] <rinzewind> tomreyn: I'll do that, thanks a lot.
[23:49] <rinzewind> I have to leave now, but I'll dig a bit on this when I have more time.
[23:54] <tomreyn> rinzewind: you may want to "apt-mark hold" your old kernel version packages (all of them, look for all packages (dpkg -l) matching the specific kernel package version as seen in /boot/), so they won't get autoremoved when you get newer kernel images.
[23:57] <tomreyn> for example, to get a lit of all packages you'd want to mark as held to keep the "4.15.0-48" kernel image around:  dpkg -l '*4.15.0-48*' | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}'