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OvenWerksEickmeyer: dumb question time... If I start -controls for the first time (no rc file) and jack is already running by some means... what should -controls do?17:32
EickmeyerOvenWerks: Without any interaction?17:33
OvenWerksThe default in the case of a config save is to save the default jack state which is stopped.17:34
OvenWerksThis will also stop jack (probably wrong)17:34
EickmeyerIf it detects Jack is running, then it should make the RC keep that seting.17:34
EickmeyerThat's just my opinion.17:34
OvenWerksIt would not be hard to set jack to True. but should it also say something about having started jack some other way?17:35
EickmeyerPerhaps. At least as a warning that a non-default setup was detected?17:36
OvenWerksEickmeyer: if someone started jack by commandline or qjackctl there is probably not a problem... cadence that is a problem17:36
OvenWerkscadence is blacklisted so maybe not a problem.17:37
EickmeyerYeah, cadence is also a conflict in the package.17:37
* OvenWerks just tried rm .config/autojackrc for the first time :)17:39
EickmeyerNice. Debugging for first-use, I take it.17:42
OvenWerksYa, I actually think it didn't check what I want to check... but realize what I wanted to check doesn't matter17:49
OvenWerksEickmeyer: now if the user has used -controls at least once and turned jack off and the next startup of -controls finds jack running... same thing?17:50
* OvenWerks thinks so17:51
OvenWerksI think that because the jack indicator shows jack is running, the saved value should be set that way.17:52
Eickmeyer[m]I agree. I think if someone makes a change outside of Ubuntu Studio, it should warn them.17:52
Eickmeyer[m]Rather, outside of -controls17:52
* Eickmeyer had ot jump over to Matrix for a screenshot of the shenanigans in #ubuntustudio17:53
OvenWerkswarning may be added later17:54
OvenWerks If the person starts -controls and finds jack is running, they can puzzle over how that may have happened...17:55
Eickmeyer[m]Right. We want this to be user-friendly, which means making sure they understand what their system is doing.17:56
Eickmeyer[m]M_aD, OvenWerks : RE: that reddit post: I did a little bit of trimming of an old, outdated, and horribly written wiki article. And by a little trimming, I mean practically replaced the whole thing: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation18:10
* OvenWerks has built a new -controls for people to break if possible.18:52
OvenWerksEickmeyer: please take a look at the new jack status indicator.18:53
EickmeyerOvenWerks: updating now18:56
EickmeyerOvenWerks: Looks like it's built but not published. I'll be waiting for paint to dry.19:00
EickmeyerOvenWerks: We have a problem. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5wcRw2Dg9d/19:36
OvenWerkswhich version OS?19:38
OvenWerks18.04 here.19:39
EickmeyerOvenWerks: So, it won't start unless Jack is already running.19:44
OvenWerksCan you stop jack after it is started?19:49
EickmeyerI could start Jack from qjackctl, and then start it. After that, I could stop it and start it.19:50
EickmeyerHowever, if I stopped it, closed it, and tried reopening it, it wouldn't reopen.19:50
OvenWerksOk, I don't think I have tried that :)19:50
EickmeyerOnly workaround was to start Jack manually and then opening it.19:51
OvenWerksnope, I need to fix it19:51
EickmeyerI have some errands to run. I should be back in a couple hours.19:51

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