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[06:23] <wxl> wtf i'm trying to play with bug 1827501  but when i do erase disk+encrypt it dies trying to look at smart status in vbox???
[06:23] <wxl> no problems with replace partition. bizarre
[13:49] <teward> wxl: sounds like a VBox problem :P
[13:50] <tsimonq2> teward: HEY YOU
[13:50] <tsimonq2> hi
[13:50] <teward> tsimonq2: GDIAF
[13:50] <teward> um I mean
[13:50] <teward> hi
[13:50] <tsimonq2> See Telegram PMs
[13:50] <tsimonq2> You broke stuff
[13:50] <tsimonq2> :P
[13:52] <kc2bez> I dislike VBox a little more with the latest release.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> I dislike VBox a little more with the latest release.], why?
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 @tsimonq2 @wxl main site is down
 is it possible to bind the "lock screen" entry and shortcut to xsecurelock?
 Should be easy? just edit the .desktop file and the shortcut text file?
 btw, the power management part of "lock screen after ? min" seems to only recognize x11-screensaver, won't work with i3lock or other
[17:13] <wxl> !support | @brli7848
 @HMollerCl [why?], The biggest issue for me is the display settings/drivers. They don't seem to work as well as they once did (at least for me). I think for the most part it is just me being grumpy about change.
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 @kc2bez do you have issues with ecnryption and keyboard layout?
 someone in the spanish channel is talking about that
[19:49] <kc2bez> In my tests, yes. See bug 1827501
[19:50] <kc2bez> I tested budgie moments ago and didn't have an issue. Writing up my notes now for today's meeting.
[19:51] <tsimonq2> That's something that didn't even cross my mind; GRUBbey keyboard layouts.
[19:51] <tsimonq2> Sounds like fun.
[19:52] <kc2bez> yup, highlights the need for more diverse testing. not sure how we do that but...
[19:52] <tsimonq2> Cool.
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[19:53] <tsimonq2> My guess is that it's a configuration thing.
[19:53] <tsimonq2> Now, where do we find that configuration value... :P
[19:53] <kc2bez> seems to be the direction I am heading too.
[19:53] <kc2bez> Then we will need cala to set it.
[19:54] <tsimonq2> Because we do update the GRUB config (although I'm told that's a Bad Idea, and we should look into fixing that for this cycle.)
[19:55] <kc2bez> I'm ears for how we set the config without updating it.
[20:02] <wxl> from what apt-ghetto was saying in the bug, it sounds like cala is going to implement a warning that the default for GRUB is american english
[20:02] <wxl> i.e. more or less throwing their hands up in the air and saying oh well nothing we can do
[20:03] <kc2bez> swell
[20:03] <wxl> but i didn't get too far into digging last night
[20:03] <wxl> also kc2bez did you notice there are now like 3 graphics drivers in vbox?
[20:04] <kc2bez> yes, the default one is the one that seems to have issues for me. If I switch to VboxSVGA, things work better but I forget to change the defaults sometimes.
 @wxl [<wxl> from what apt-ghetto was saying in the bug, it sounds like cala is going t …], I intended to say, that calamares should warn the user about different passphrases: e.g. "qwertz" vs "qwerty"
[20:06] <kc2bez> Just me having a "get offa my lawn" moment I guess. XD
[20:06]  * wxl shrugs
[20:06] <wxl> having options to me is really nice
[20:07] <kc2bez> It is, I need to get over myself :)
[20:07] <wxl> i think cala should have the option of displaying the password
[20:08] <kc2bez> Well cala respects the keyboard layout during the installation. It actually changes it in the live environment when you change it during installation.
[20:09] <wxl> yeah but the issue is grub, really
[20:09] <kc2bez> yeah
[20:09] <wxl> we could tell grub what the keyboard layout was if and only if /boot wasn't encrypted as that's where the info is
 Cala would display the expected password, which is not necessary the same, as when you write it with the American layout
 If the /boot is not encrypted, Grub doesn't need a password
[20:10] <kc2bez> which is how the other flavors work
 So you have no layout problems, because you rarely write in the Grub shell
[20:10] <kc2bez> if you ever did get there it should repect what you chose for a layout though.
 Another option would be an automatism, that saves the passphrase as it is, and a passphrase as it would be with the American layout
[20:11] <wxl> and grub-update to the right keyboard layout wouldn't fix anything because all that gets saved on /boot
[20:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfd6d85428059: Add bulk rename screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfd6d85428059
 I won't be able to come to the meeting tonight, sorry
 @tsimonq2 I was playing a little bit with the CI. The lxqt-plugin should build now. I hope, that I had the permission to do it.
 @aptghetto [@tsimonq2 I was playing a little bit with the CI. The lxqt-plugin should build n …], Sure, that's fine
 ci/unstable is fair game for messing around with whatever you want :)
 What was the problem?
 In the first round, I dropped the patch … and in the second round, I changed the debian/control file
 Ok
 Did you add changelog entries?
 For the first round, yes
 I will edit the changelog entry tomorrow
 Thanks!
 I go to bed now, so I am not partecipating at the meeting. … During the week, I commented on bug #1827501 and I am still learning C++.
 sleep well @aptghetto
 Thanks, I will read the messages in 6 hours.
 there is no calendar in phab now?
 are translations up?
[21:04] <kc2bez> @HMollerCl the calendar is there but I don't think anyone has added the standup back.
[21:05] <lynorian> time for the standup?
[21:05] <kc2bez> !standup
 o/
[21:07] <lynorian> \o
[21:08] <kc2bez> We lost wxl
 /command !wxl
[21:09] <kc2bez> @HMollerCL why don't you get us started :)
 ok, I have nothing ne wto say
 more than testingt kvantum and is awesome
 qt5-style-kvantum
[21:10] <kc2bez> Cool.
[21:10] <lynorian> that is an icon theme right
[21:10] <lynorian> or a theme for qt
 nope, is something like a theme manager for qt
[21:10] <lynorian> ok
[21:10] <kc2bez> It is pretty neat.
[21:11] <kc2bez> Thanks for being here! Anything else?
 @N0um3n0 talk me also about qt5ct but an env variable need to be change and I have not.
 nope, nothing new.
 btw, the encryption keyboard layout problem I mentioned, was a hw problem at the end.
[21:13] <lynorian> it was?
[21:13] <lynorian> bad keyboard?
 the one I mention
 not the one that @kc2bez was looking at
 *is
[21:13] <kc2bez> Thanks Hans, appreciate the update.
[21:14] <lynorian> I think I am next of the people here
[21:14] <kc2bez> sure take it away
 Hey here
[21:15] <lynorian> I have moved several things in the manual to their own section since I last checked in
[21:16] <kc2bez> Thanks @SamuelBanya we will get you in next.
[21:16] <lynorian> I did a ton on libreoffice impress background
[21:17] <lynorian> There are tons of new screenshots
[21:18] <kc2bez> screenshots are awesome!
[21:18] <lynorian> Added pitch adjust to vlc
[21:19] <lynorian> trash to noblenote to get a note back
 Sweet
 Did we ever add a full i3 install guide to the manual btw? Just wondering
[21:20] <lynorian> no have not gotten to that
[21:20] <lynorian> we do have how to change window manager in lxqt
[21:21] <lynorian> also how to deal with libreoffice crashing on restore
[21:21] <lynorian> home and end keyboard shortcuts to qpdfview is now in the manual
[21:22] <lynorian> how to compress a file from pcmanfm-qt
[21:22] <kc2bez> nice
[21:22] <lynorian> of course I have many more typos I have found in something this long
[21:23] <lynorian> reworked some network configuration in quassel that was not clear and somehow I did not have how to leave an irc channel which is now fixed
[21:23] <lynorian> not sure if I need to add in the things for an operator section for quassel will really be needed?
[21:24] <kc2bez> maybe a link to quassel docs for further info?
[21:25] <lynorian> I am not sure what is the current state of weblate As I got an email and so did @hmollerCl from someone in blegium on wnating translation
 @lynorian [<lynorian> I am not sure what is the current state of weblate As I got an email …], @tsimonq2 told me that weblate is not up.
[21:27] <lynorian> that is not good 
[21:27] <lynorian> I added bulk rename and trusting executables to the manual for pcmanfm-qt as well
[21:30] <lynorian> I think that is it for this week from me
[21:30] <kc2bez> Thanks for all you do lynorian ! 
[21:30] <kc2bez> @SamuelBanya you are next.
 Thanks @lynorian
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[21:35] <kc2bez> We might of lost Sam, he is probably on a train somewhere @SamuelBanya
[21:36] <kc2bez> Short paste from me:
[21:37] <kc2bez> We chatted about this earlier but for the record;
[21:37] <kc2bez> Confirmed bug 1827501 and commented.
[21:37] <kc2bez> Tested quickly this afternoon, Budgie honors the keyboard settings from the installer to unlock the drives.
[21:37] <kc2bez> Other flavors probably don't have this problem because we handle FDE differently. 
[21:37] <kc2bez> The others don't have `/boot` encrypted so more of the system is available (i.e. the kernel unlocks the drive not Grub).
[21:37] <kc2bez> I couldn't replicate bug 1828201 and commented.
[21:37] <kc2bez> That is all I have at the moment.
[21:37] <lynorian> thanks @kc2bez
 thanks @kc2bez
 @lynorian what about changing WM you mentioned earlier? Is there a deadline?
[21:40] <lynorian> no that has been in the manual a while
[21:40] <lynorian> not for default but as the settings
[21:40] <lynorian> someone has actually used that I think in irc a few weeks ago and it was not how wxl thought it was
[21:41] <lynorian> that was this https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/3.2/3.2.13/session_settings.html
 mmm, I'm not understanding.
 I once heard that for wayland we would need to change WM, is that what ypu mean?
[21:41] <lynorian> no for end users to change wm
[21:42] <lynorian> not for what we ship
 aaaa ok, now I get. Thanks
 Back
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 So yeah I'm actually gonna take a stab at packaging the gtk to qt even though it is c++ based I still want to give it a shot and not let anyone down
 I'm gonna need hand holding though
 I've been still trying to get in touch with Ubuntus dev team regarding the iso tester. I'm pretty sure I just have to modify the flavor and release variables but wish they would respond to help me out
 That's all from me
[21:46] <kc2bez> Thanks @SamuelBanya
[21:47] <lynorian> thanks @Sameulebanya
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[22:21] <wxl> sorry ya'll, work
[22:21] <wxl> anyone still around?
[22:22] <kc2bez> I am still here. 
[22:22] <wxl> well i guess i could talk to you XD
[22:22] <kc2bez> Sure XD
[22:23] <wxl> ok well here's my list 
[22:23] <wxl>  * BUG TRIAGE 
[22:23] <wxl>    * Asked for more info and didn't quite get anywhere on a bug about input devices dying in Bionic: bug 1827734
[22:23] <wxl>    * Triaged a bug about save dialogs not adding extensions: bug 1821433
[22:23] <wxl>    * Unexpired a bug about prompts not showing up in terminals, asking for more info: bug 1819009
[22:23] <wxl>  * TASKS
[22:23] <wxl>    * k3b missing everywhere: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T77
[22:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] what is up with k3b?!: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T77
[22:23] <wxl>  * TESTING
[22:23] <wxl>  * COMMITS
[22:23] <wxl>    * Added k3b to seed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEEDdd027bcf00bd
[22:23] <wxl>  * INFRASTRUCTURE
[22:23] <wxl>    * Added a bunch of ubottu factoids (32bit, devel, offtopic, support, standup).
[22:23] <wxl>    * Allowed /command on lubot for factoids, but bots can't trigger bots. Will try to work with IRCC.
[22:23] <wxl>    * Updated the packaging tutorial requirements for `keychain` and `bzr`.
[22:23] <wxl>    * Created an "Incoming" wiki page to track incoming upstream fetures: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/incoming/
[22:24] <lynorian> thanks for fixing k3b
[22:24] <lynorian> and for the factiods
[22:25] <kc2bez> Is there a list of which factoids are available?
[22:26] <wxl> yeah well k3b is only partially fixed. @tsimonq2 said he was going to check on getting the fixed SRU'd or at least look into it. also i only changed the seed. i dno't know about lubuntu-meta itself. i asked but @tsimonq2 never answered...........
[22:26] <wxl> kc2bez: https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[22:27] <kc2bez> Thanks. 
[22:27] <wxl> np
[22:27] <wxl> note that only ubuntu irc ops can make changes to them, so hit me up if you've got ideas
[22:28] <kc2bez> Sounds good. My question was more for my goldfish like memory. XD
[22:28] <wxl> heheh
 Wxl: what about the fact that openbox doesn't work in Wayland?
[22:30] <wxl> @HMollerCl we've talked about that a bit and have some ideas but no solutions yet.. it will be bad for openbox though!
 Openbox won't move to Wayland then?
[22:30] <wxl> doesn't seem like it
 Is mir still the first choice?
[22:34] <wxl> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8miz1v/openbox_wayland/dzqq6j5/
[22:35] <wxl> i'm not sure. to some degree i think we'll need to wait and see how the rest of the ubuntu ecosystems does things
[22:35] <wxl> fwiw kubuntu's last release had an experimental and not fully functional wayland session
[22:36] <wxl> that said we're not too behind
[22:36] <wxl> if youw ant to talk wayland, DrewRWx is the person you want to speak with
[22:37] <wxl> there's this https://github.com/wizbright/waybox
[22:39] <wxl> oops i did not mean DrewRWx unless that's another alias he has for himself.. i meant ddevault is the person to talk to re: wayland
[22:40] <ddevault> wmww is probably the person to talk to
[22:40] <wxl> yeah he's pretty rad
[22:40] <wxl> he's the guy i saw at lfnw running wayland on a watch XD
 Ok thanks for the info