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gaughen#startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team15:04
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gaughen#topic Lightning rounds15:05
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gaughenorder - infinity doko juliank cyphermox xnox waveform bdmurray tdaitx vorlon rbalint mwhudson sil210015:05
cyphermox~o~15:05
gaugheninfinity isn't on the channel15:06
juliankme I guess15:06
bdmurrayjuliank: your turn15:06
gaughendoko is at a srpint15:06
gaughenjuliank, it's you15:06
juliank * booked DebConf travel15:06
juliank * python-apt SRUs with locking fixes  (LP: #1826870)15:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1826870 in python-apt (Ubuntu Cosmic) "cache.commit() doesn't release the archives lock" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182687015:06
juliank * Various work on getting APT 1.9 ready to upload (ABI/API break), not done yet - first break, some more to come throughout the cycle, as we're working towards APT 2.0 and improve extensibility.15:06
juliank * apt SRUS to fix LP: #1820886 and LP: #182164015:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1820886 in apt (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Potential inconsistency due to system halt/reboot being allowed when package installation in progress" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182088615:06
juliank * merged wpa 2.8 from experimental; dropped android-headers build-dep15:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1821640 in apt (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Missing pattern for linux-image-unsigned keeps autoremovable kernels on the system" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182164015:06
juliank * added more gnome 2 stuff to removal bug15:06
juliank(LP: #1825972)15:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1825972 in libgnome-keyring (Ubuntu) "Remove gnome 2 stack + linsmith from eoan" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182597215:07
juliank(done)15:07
bdmurraycyphermox:15:07
cyphermoxfixing bringing up interfaces without an assigned IP in netplan (bug LP: #1763608)15:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1763608 in netplan "Netplan ignores Interfaces without IP Addresses" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176360815:07
cyphermoxnetplan.io 0.97 release + SRUs15:07
cyphermoxmore debugging of HTTP Boot for MAAS15:07
cyphermoxfielding questions from Till on NM VPN DNS bug 175467115:07
ubottubug 1754671 in network-manager (Ubuntu Bionic) "Full-tunnel VPN DNS leakage regression" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175467115:07
cyphermoxupdated sbuild-launchpad-chroot to work on eoan15:07
cyphermoxpartner work15:07
cyphermoxtracking/verifications for in-flight SRUs15:07
cyphermoxreviewed subiquity PRs15:07
cyphermoxwhitepaper / spec review responses15:07
cyphermox(done)15:07
bdmurrayxnox:15:07
xnox* uploaded s390-tools cherrypicks from master for secureboot15:07
xnox* uploaded bash PATH SRU updates into all the releases15:07
xnox* uploaded upstream test fix for golang-github-prometheus-client-golang15:07
xnox* uploaded/working on perl stack regressions w.r.t. SSL_MODE_AUTO_RETRY15:07
xnox* uploaded transition to uncouple icu & boost-regex transitions15:07
xnox* subiquity code reviews15:07
xnox+ srus waiting to be accepted into -proposed:15:07
xnox  - xenial bash15:07
xnox  - bionic bash, s390-tools, ruby2.515:07
xnox  - cosmic s390-tools, python-tornado4 (NEW)15:07
xnoxDone15:07
waveform* Short week (bank holiday Monday)15:08
waveform* Working on consolidating raspi2 and raspi3 classic images (armhf working, arm64 being tricky)15:08
waveform* Attempted to shuffle cloud-init's startup order to avoid partition renaming (this doesn't work)15:08
waveform* Attempted to shuffle fstab earlier in systemd's boot sequence (this is a bad idea!)15:08
waveform* So, back to partition renaming - investigated upgrade procedure for /boot partition renaming15:08
waveform* Digging into ubuntu-image issue building armhf images on arm6415:08
waveform* Investigating wifi issues on core for cec15:08
waveform(done)15:08
xnoxtdaitx, hello15:08
bdmurraydisabled accepting crash reports from Ubuntu 14.04 in the Error Tracker15:08
bdmurraywrote test case for upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04 w/ ESM enabled15:08
bdmurraySRU verification of bug 182486215:08
ubottubug 1824862 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Trusty) "Enable upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04 while keeping ESM enabled" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182486215:08
bdmurrayreported bug re u-r-u and upgrading from 18.04 to 19.04 (LP: #1827635)15:08
bdmurrayuploaded u-r-u for Eoan, disco SRU for LP: #182763515:08
bdmurrayupdated meta-release-development for Eoan15:08
bdmurrayuploaded u-r-u again with Ermine info also update m-r-d15:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1827635 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Disco) "dist-upgrader tarball needs updating to support upgrades from bionic to disco" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182763515:08
bdmurraytested / merged vorlon's MoM changes, updated MoM on the server15:09
bdmurrayreported u-r-u bug LP: #1827951 re snap refreshing15:09
bdmurrayreported u-r-u bug LP: #1828072 about updating and SRU'ing it15:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1827951 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Disco) "snaps not refreshed when upgrading from bionic or cosmic to disco" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182795115:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1828072 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Disco) "KernelRemoval section is out of date" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182807215:09
bdmurrayuploaded SRUs of u-r-u to B, C, D releases15:09
bdmurrayreported u-r-u bug LP: #1828100 regarding long term fix for it15:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1828100 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "KernelRemoval section of DistUpgrade.cfg shouldn't require manual updating" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182810015:09
bdmurraytdaitx:15:09
* sil2100 pokes tdaitx 15:10
bdmurrayvorlon:15:10
tdaitx* local tests with jck 11 using lxc15:11
tdaitx* fixed & tested tomcat8's LP: #1827090, missing upload15:11
tdaitx* fixed & tested netbeans' LP: #182560415:11
tdaitx* working on netbeans' LP: #1828427, cleaning up conflicts from upstream patch15:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1827090 in tomcat8 (Ubuntu) ""-1" instead of "8005" in tomcat8-instance-create" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182709015:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1825604 in netbeans (Ubuntu) "Netbeans 10 requires openjdk-11" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182560415:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1828427 in netbeans (Ubuntu) "Netbeans fails to create a java project with NoSuchMethodError" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182842715:11
vorlonassuming he's done, since he's having irc problems and won't see if I ask him :)15:11
vorlon * short week, was out yesterday15:11
vorlon * merges15:11
vorlon * improved the filtering of d-i components out of the merge-o-matic stats for Foundations15:11
vorlon * NEW processing15:12
vorlon * SRU reviews15:12
vorlon * boot speed: analyzing remaining pain points across different substrates and kernels15:12
vorlon * prep for Lyon next week15:12
vorlon * out tomorrow, swap for Lyon travel15:12
vorlon(done)15:12
sil2100rbalint is out sick I think?15:12
vorlonrbalint is out sick15:12
vorlonsil2100:15:12
sil2100- Last week: long weekend due to national holidays15:12
sil2100- SRU reviews and releases15:12
sil2100- Some kernel reviews, trying out new code-paths for ESM15:12
sil2100- Rewriting the publish_info pieces for ubuntu-cdimage (now merged)15:12
sil2100- Setting up an SRU team meeting15:12
sil2100- DMB meeting (short one)15:12
sil2100- Hacking bileto to not re-set PPA dependencies periodically15:12
sil2100- Preparing no-change security-only rebuilds of the toolchain updates for cosmic and bionic15:12
sil2100  * Blocked until next week as one additional fix might be pulled in15:12
sil2100- All-hands meeting15:12
sil2100- Writing up an explaination of the steps needed to add new images for supported devices15:12
sil2100- Reviewing final raspi-amazing spec15:12
sil2100- Starting the release process of ubuntu-image 1.715:12
sil2100(done)15:12
gaughen#topic Release incoming bugs15:14
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gaughen#link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:14
bdmurraygaughen: which release are we on?15:14
cyphermoxee!15:14
gaughenbdmurray, I'm following the instructios15:15
vorlon#link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:15
gaughen#link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:15
* cyphermox updates the 'structions15:15
gaughencyphermox, thank you15:15
vorlondo we need a checklist item in the NewReleaseCycleProcess to update the link?15:15
seb128you guys don't review your stable series incoming bugs? ;)15:15
bdmurraythe high one, bug 1825021, is carded15:15
ubottubug 1825021 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt's dpkgpm.cc WriteApportReport function should gather more data" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182502115:15
bdmurrayseb128: Is there one you are particularly concerned about?15:16
cyphermoxseb128: I think they should be carried over, probably.15:16
seb128bdmurray, no, just feels like a weak point to not review the series where most the users are15:16
cyphermoxie. script the change of tags15:16
* vorlon checks where that card is and if it's close enough to the front to ever realistically be worked15:16
seb128cyphermox, well, things might be fixed in e but not b15:16
bdmurrayI haven't had a chance to review them as I've been fixing other bugs15:16
seb128anyway, don't let me derail your meeting15:16
cyphermoxseb128: sure, and then they get in a different list15:16
seb128probably not a discussion for here/now15:16
seb128cyphermox, we do review all the rls-nn-incoming weekly for desktop (bb cc dd ee atm)15:17
cyphermoxseb128: if something is broken (incoming) in the previous devel release, it probably is still unfixed in the new devel release15:17
vorlonyeah, it's 1825021 is close enough to the top to consider it committed15:17
juliankWhat to do on that though?15:17
cyphermoxie. actively culling thigns that are to be fixed, and whatever people really don't care about and won't fix, would be nice.15:18
cyphermoxrather than forever keeping bugs unfixed in a "incoming" or "tracking" list15:18
juliankPATH is now replaced by APT in disco, so tracking it there probably makes no sense15:18
xnoxcool15:18
bdmurrayjuliank: I thought when we last talked about it we said it needed testing.15:19
juliankyeah, well, before I realized it was disco+, and thought it was in cosmic too15:19
bdmurraySo regardless the original bug is about getting more info and maybe there should be a second one about u-r-u setting the path15:20
vorlonbdmurray: do we need to triage any of the ones on rls-ee-incoming that are importance: undecided?15:20
vorlon(where valid triage might be "remove tag because someone nominated it but couldn't be bothered to set importance"?)15:21
bdmurrayvorlon: before we get there could we talk about bug 182141515:22
ubottubug 1821415 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu) "pkexec fails in a non-graphical environment" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182141515:22
vorlonbdmurray: what's the impact of this bug if you run apport as root?15:25
vorlonI would expect most users who run apport on servers to just invoke it as root15:26
bdmurrayvorlon: there should be no impact15:26
vorlonso maybe it is low impact overall?15:26
bdmurraywhat about xorg and no X?15:26
vorlonas in desktop user is trying to report a problem with their X server not starting?15:26
bdmurrayyeah15:26
vorloncouldn't they also run as root?15:26
vorlonbut maybe they wouldn't know to15:27
bdmurraythat is true15:27
vorlondo we generate a useful error message in the UI when the client fails to collect due to lack of privs?15:27
bdmurraypolkit-agent-helper-1: error response to PolicyKit daemon: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie15:27
bdmurray==== AUTHENTICATION FAILED ===15:27
bdmurrayError executing command as another user: Not authorized15:27
bdmurrayi wouldn't call that useful15:27
vorlonbdmurray: but it at least doesn't silently submit an incomplete report15:28
bdmurrayIts also worth considering that I'm the one who reported the bug so maybe no one else is bothered by it15:28
vorlonso I think it warrants opening a task on apport, but is still probably not a high priority to fix15:29
bdmurrayokay, thanks for helping prioritize it15:29
vorlonso the unprioritized ones15:30
vorlonLP: #172747215:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1727472 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "[RFE] Automatically update the Ubuntu version string in ubuntu-release-upgrader" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172747215:30
juliankso boring15:31
vorloncertainly seems a worthwhile fix15:31
bdmurrayshould be trivial too15:32
bdmurrayso target it? and what importance?15:32
vorlonyeah I wouldn't make it 'high', but I think we should take it15:32
vorlonimportance: medium?15:33
bdmurrayworks for me15:33
vorlonand carded15:33
vorlonLP: #179619315:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1796193 in apt (Ubuntu) "unattended do-release-upgrade asks about /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179619315:33
juliankI don't think that's an apt bug, maybe it's a dpkg one?15:34
vorlonis it reproducible? do we know what removed it?15:35
juliankwell, I guess the user removed the file15:35
juliankI'm checking files right now15:35
vorlonjuliank: it's plarson doing automated upgrade testing15:36
vorlonso it is unlikely to be the result of user action15:36
juliankThe files certainly are different in xenial and bionic15:36
vorlonI guess there are two questions here15:36
vorlon1) what removed this conffile15:36
vorlon2) what should the handling of conffiles be when using the noninteractive frontend15:37
xnoxcrash burn and die15:37
vorlonbecause we do in general consider there to be no sane default for conffile prompts15:37
juliankunattended-upgrades has some code to handle some conffile stuff, maybe it did something here? idk15:37
vorlonso I tend to agree with xnox, that the current behavior for 2) is not a bug in the package manager15:37
bdmurrayI gather that something used to happen with conffiles when using the noninteractive frontend15:37
vorlonjuliank: unattended-upgrades handling is to hold back those packages15:37
vorlonwhich is not sensible for a release upgrade15:37
juliankNow it also detects unmodified moved conffiles or stuff15:38
juliankI'm trying to run an upgrade in xenial, but I don't get any15:39
vorlonbdmurray: so I think we should initially treat this as a matter of figuring out why there are modified conffiles and addressing that15:39
bdmurraySo what is the next step with this bug?15:39
vorlonask the submitter for a reproducer15:39
juliankTry to reproduce it15:39
bdmurrayOkay, I remember seeing one with mlocate recently15:39
vorlonbdmurray: will you follow up with the submitter then?15:40
bdmurrayvorlon: yeah and I'll ping david ames again15:40
vorlonLP: #181856415:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1818564 in apport (Ubuntu) "directory permission sanity checks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181856415:40
vorlonis interesting15:41
vorlonI wouldn't commit to it15:42
vorlonbut I'll card it :)15:42
bdmurrayso leave it incoming?15:42
vorlonbdmurray: I'll take it out of incoming but card it15:42
vorlonLP: #182500015:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1825000 in apt (Ubuntu) "Add ability for mirrors to distinguish interactive and non-interactive apt runs" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182500015:43
vorlonok no fair juliank triaging these during the meeting and invalidating the report ;)15:44
vorlonso this is wishlist, I guess we can move on15:45
juliankheh, yeah15:45
vorlonalso the next one15:45
vorlonLP: #182810015:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1828100 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "KernelRemoval section of DistUpgrade.cfg shouldn't require manual updating" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182810015:45
vorlonbdmurray has been talking about this one15:45
juliankthat's something rbalint probably wants to have a look at15:45
vorlonthat looks like a good one for us to take15:45
vorlonso that we can finally put the nail in the coffin of stale kernels on /boot15:46
vorlonso I'll take it in for eoan15:46
sil2100+1 on that15:47
bdmurrayYeah that bug is about the long term fix15:47
vorlonso I think that's the bottom of the queue15:48
gaughen#topic Team proposed-migration report15:49
gaughen#link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs15:49
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vorlonlintian15:49
vorlonupstream failure15:49
gaughenlintian15:49
gaughenvorlon, anything we should do?15:49
vorlonDebian broke their own autopkgtests, we can wait for them to fix it15:49
gaughenk15:49
gaughendone15:49
sil2100NEXT15:49
vorlonthe other one, libnet-ssleay-perl, is xnox breaking apache15:49
xnoxyes15:49
sil2100;)15:49
gaughen#topic AOB15:50
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xnoxand i don't know why, cause it was all green15:50
gaughenanything?15:50
gaughenbeuller?15:50
gaughenbueller?15:50
cyphermoxyes15:50
gaughenooooh15:50
cyphermoxseb128 has a point;15:50
cyphermoxshould we start to review bb, cc, dd as well as $newcycle15:50
cyphermox?15:50
xnoxcc is dead to me =)15:50
gaughenshould we at least do one review of cc/dd at the transition15:51
gaughenbut monitor bb15:51
bdmurraywe / somebody could subscribe to the -incoming bug tag15:52
vorlonperhaps next week we should review what's in the queue for those, so we can assess how much value there is in doing so15:52
cyphermoxI already have bb in the script since there *are* point-releases15:52
juliankthat'S tricky15:52
juliankmaybe we should do it every first meeting in the month?15:52
juliankor every second week?15:53
vorlonlooks like we need to work through the backlog out of band15:57
vorlonand then try to add reviewing these into the meeting agenda15:58
gaughen#endmeeting15:58
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meetingologyMeeting ended Thu May  9 15:58:51 2019 UTC.15:58
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vorlonthanks!15:59

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