[19:44] Hi, new user here named ROB, new to ubuntu and ubuntu studio. trying to setup audio recording for 2 microphones and skype [19:46] qwebirc89778: go ahead, what kind of mics, what interface, what have you tried? [19:47] I have two ATR 2100 USB mics which are detected. I'm using ardour 5 but am unable to seperate audio sources to different tracks. I think my main problem is setting up JACK [19:48] How are you setting up jack? [19:49] Are you using a GUI based application or commandline? [19:49] GUI based. And currently can't even find jack in my programs [19:50] Jackd/jackdbus do not on their own have a GUI [19:50] qwebirc89778: What version of Ubuntu Studio? [19:50] I want to say it was Jack Server [19:50] had patches in it and everything [19:51] jackd can be started on command line with jack_control or jackd. The GUI start up applications are ubuntustudio-control or qjackctl [19:51] for using two USB mics, ubuntustudio-controls is probably the best thing to use. [19:51] Important to know which version, though. [19:52] yes [19:52] (-controls needs an about box or version listed somewhere else in the GUI) [19:53] I just installed it from software so I suppose it's the latest version [19:53] Or, really, the installed Ubuntu Studio version is a key (from the comand line: lsb_release -a) [19:53] which flavour and version of ubuntu are you using. [19:53] qwebirc89778: It might not be, which is why I'm asking what version of Ubuntu Studio. [19:53] !yy.mm [19:53] Ubuntu version numbers are: YY.MM (YY=release year,MM=release month). Each year sees two releases, so just specifying YY is imprecise. See also https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle [19:55] i don't know which version. right now it's not letting me scroll through applications to get to command line [19:55] installed in the last 2 weeks though [19:56] You still could have installed 18.04, 18.10, or 19.04. It all depends on what you downloaded, not when. [19:56] 18.04.2 [19:56] Okay. Now we're getting somewhere. [19:57] !ubuntustudio-backports | qwebirc89778: did you enable this? [19:57] qwebirc89778: did you enable this?: The Ubuntu Studio Backports PPA is required for users of Ubuntu Studio to receive LTS support for Ubuntu Studio 18.04, and for #ubuntustudio to support users of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and its flavors using !jack. For more info, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/BackportsPPA, !ubuntustudio-controls, and !ubuntustudio-installer [19:57] -controls will be old. [19:57] Don't know if backports are enabled [19:57] It isn't by default. It's something you would have to intentionally do. [19:58] Follow that guide I just linked. You'll need the backports. [20:01] ok followed that guide. [20:02] !ubuntustudio-controls | qwebirc89778: This is the next thing you'll need: [20:02] qwebirc89778: This is the next thing you'll need:: Ubuntu Studio Controls is the application through which audio is configured in Ubuntu Studio. It configures Jack, sets the CPU governor, and ensures the user has realtime audio permissions. For more info, see !jack and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioControls [20:06] ok thank you. reading through that now. Is there specific guidance in here about recording skype? [20:07] there is more than one choice... [20:07] qwebirc89778: video or just audio? [20:08] but with two usb mics you will need to make them both available as one device not two. [20:08] just audio. I'm in ardour 5 and trying to see my microphones and skype as sources [20:08] Okay. The only thing that Skype is going to see is whatever is sent to PulseIn. [20:08] skype is pulse only. so the bridge between jack and pulse is your friend. [20:09] I'd use Patchage or install Carla to do the connections. [20:10] you will need some sort of application to mix your mics into one channel to send to skype so the other person can hear as well as record. I would almost say that idjc might be the best thing for this. [20:10] (AKA "Interbet DJ Console" [20:10] *internet [20:11] it has mic inputs and a phone input (all jack) [20:11] it is able to record and/or stream to the internet [20:11] I'd use Ardour as if it were an actual mixer, but that's how my audio engineer brian works. [20:12] Eickmeyer[m]: have you ever tried IDJC? [20:12] just fired IDJC up now [20:12] IDJC is quite common for radio station use in the studio. [20:13] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ @freenode_OvenWerks:matrix.org: I have not, but that's just because I'm so used to Ardour. [20:14] :) [20:14] rivendale comes packed with idjc for controlroom I think. [20:19] anyone know how to get skype to recognize pulse as a microphone input? [20:19] * OvenWerks worked in the standard analog radio statio of yore. Mcurdy, mixer and turn tables with cart machines. [20:20] with just pulse or with the jack-pulse bridge? [20:21] really a novice here. either way really [20:21] skype uses pulse by default [20:21] I am not suggesting one way or the other so much as finding what you are trying [20:22] I have to know what you are trying before I can A) make it work that way or B) suggest an alternative [20:22] my knowledge is limited to copy and paste into the terminal. My goal is to be able to record audio for a podcast interview happening over skype in 3 hours time. :-/ [20:23] I'm used to Windows and GUI's having previously used Bananameter [20:23] I hope we can do quicker than that :) I have to leave sooner. [20:23] lol [20:24] right now i'm playing with IDJ and have it recognizing both microphones on the Meter but I've yet to hear any audio from the mics [20:24] so why did you switch? (never mind) [20:24] ok, good start. [20:24] if you open patchage [20:24] you should see idjc and pulse [20:25] idjc is shaking like crazy [20:26] thats not nice, solid here [20:27] ok got it to stop shaking [20:27] anyway, the normal thing is to connect idjc "voip_out_l and _r to PulseIn left and right [20:28] and connect PulseOut to voip_in_l and _r [20:30] is it weird to have 2 pulse ins and no pulse outs? [20:30] very. [20:30] but not if your mic is the only audio device [20:31] yeah mics have headphone jacks in them. no other external speakers. [20:32] that is still an output and should show up in jack and pulse should be there too. It could be that the pulseout is off of patchage's screen [20:33] trying a rearrange [20:33] found pulse out and pulse in [20:33] you can use the name tag in patchage to grab and move a device around. [20:35] I have two of each pulse out/in, connect both to the voips? [20:37] and should I disconnect System from PulseIn to prevent feedback/echo? [20:37] you may need to do that yes. [20:39] ok system playback has 8 tracks [20:39] tracks 1 and 2 are getting PulseOut, DJ Out, and Alarm out [20:39] by tracks i mean "playback" [20:40] once you have pulse going through idjc, you probably don't want pulse to go through systemplayback. [20:41] you are using pulse for your "phone" only in this case [20:41] you would not be able to play audio from a web page at this point. [20:42] no audio from webpage, that's fine [20:42] (controls does not yet have a way to set up more than one bridge at a time... add that to the list...) [20:43] so does you mic show up as 8 outputs? or is that your internal device? [20:44] mic is 2. i have monitored audio by connecting DJ_out to Mic Playback [20:45] System has the 8 playbacks [20:45] ok that works. [20:46] The one problem I can see is that your second usb mic may try to be the same device name [20:46] ok Skype is playing test audio but i'm not hearing it nor seeing it on the meter [20:46] skype is set to default in skype settings [20:47] Ya, the thing to try in idjc is to click on the green phone icon. [20:47] oooo [20:47] testing [20:48] ok did'nt record me in skype [20:48] did you have the "DJ" button pressed? [20:49] i did before. it's greyed out now [20:49] (the two verticle bars should be red) [20:49] they are red [20:49] aux was also red [20:54] I am having difficulty too hang on. [20:57] ok now I have it. [20:57] not sure what I did though... [20:57] The meters on the right ch1 should be showing level when you speak in the mic [20:58] i have mics assigned to channel 1 and 3 [20:58] right [20:58] and i have montioring so I'm hearing them [20:58] with the DJ red you should be able to hear what you say in the output. [20:59] yes dj is allowing me to hear channel 1. not affecting channel 3 [20:59] aux is doing channel 3 though [21:00] at the top of the screen in the manu bar there is a little speaker where you would turn volume up and down. [21:00] if you click on that and select sound settings [21:01] Input devices... you should see a volume level (which should be at about 100%) and a bar below that. [21:01] you mic level should show up there [21:01] yup, not showing activity [21:02] And you have voip_out connected to pulsein? [21:03] yes i have voip_out to pulse_in [21:03] And the green phone pressed? [21:03] (a green phone should appear in the middle of the screen) [21:04] yes it's pressed and green phone visible [21:06] Hu, I just have one voip_out plugged into pulsein and it seems to work here [21:07] any idea why i have two pulse-ins? [21:07] Should be just a left and a right [21:08] (front-left and front-right) [21:08] i have left and right on both PulseIn and PulseIn-01 [21:08] same with out [21:09] in the Volume Control app, do you also have a drop down where it says Jacksource? [21:09] it's a window and neither shows activity [21:10] There should not be two bridges. [21:10] That alomst sounds like an older controls application [21:10] let's blow up some bridges [21:10] (there was such a bug) [21:12] If you enabled the backports ppa and reinstalled ubuntustudio-controls that bug should be gone. [21:13] in a terminal type px x |grep autojack [21:13] you should only get two lines not three [21:13] sorry not px [21:14] ps x |grep autojack [21:15] rob@openair:~$ ps x |grep autojack 14747 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto autojack 19878 tty1 Sl+ 0:00 /usr/bin/python3 -u /usr/bin/autojack 19923 tty1 Sl+ 0:00 /usr/bin/python3 -u /usr/bin/autojack [21:16] still both there. restart? [21:16] kill one of them [21:17] at the far left there should be a number. kill [21:17] kill 19923 for example [21:18] not sure how to do that [21:19] in a terminal type kill 19923 [21:20] still there [21:21] maybe try kill -9 19923 [21:21] no such process [21:21] you may then have to restart jack (and and the other apps) [21:22] ok so it is not really there [21:22] did patchage show some of the things are gone or are they all still there? [21:24] restarted all apps and Jack, pulseIn-01 is gone [21:24] still no activity in settings [21:25] skype not receiving minc [21:25] if you connect directly from your mic capture to pulse in does that work? [21:27] the settings showed activity, skype didn't register [21:27] does skype show up in the recording tab? [21:29] applications tab yes [21:29] So you have activity in inputs? but not in recording? [21:30] yes [21:31] in recording there should be a box that is grey that says Jakc source [21:31] (right after the words "input from" [21:32] clicking on it gives a drop down where jack source should be available [21:34] There is also a speaker with x beside it. make sure that is not muted [21:35] i don't see a recording tab. [21:35] i see the applications tab in the sound settings [21:36] This is the one that says "Volume Control" at the top? [21:37] Settings Sound [21:37] It should have Playback, Recording, Output Devices, Input Devices and Configuration tabs across the top. [21:37] That sounds like Windows to me [21:37] I am sure it trys to mimic that yes. [21:38] in a terminal type pacvucontrol [21:38] Ac! [21:38] pavucontrol [21:38] I can;t spell all the time [21:41] Eickmeyer[m]: I don't know if you can help here, but I need to pick up "The Lovely Laura" (my wife) from work. [21:41] Back later [21:41] OvenWerks: o/ [21:41] thank you for your help [21:42] i've now installed pavucontrol [21:42] I'll be honest, I haven't been following along. [21:43] that's cool. Trying to setup patch so I can record a podcast interview in an hour and a half using either ardour 5 or InternetDJ. skype is not hearing the microphone inputs going through PulseIn [21:43] Yeah, I think I gathered that, but thanks for the summary. [21:44] Did OvenWerks have you use alsamixer on the command line? [21:44] no [21:45] oh and i'm quite the noob at Linux, though I understand command line, i know not actual commands [21:45] Oh, it's an easy one. It's not an actual command, but opens a graphical/text interface (much like the DOS days of old). [21:46] My speculation is that the volume on your microphones in ALSA is all the way down. [21:46] So, open a terminal and type "alsamixer". [21:47] Then press F6 and select one of the microphones, then F4 for capture. [21:47] These are USB microphones, correct? [21:47] * Eickmeyer missed that part [21:48] yup usb [21:49] Okay, then try alsamixer and see if you can see the microphones in there. [21:50] Then make sure that "capture" for each one is up to at least 50%-ish (hard to tell sometimes based on the device). [21:50] i see them, i've raised volumes to 100 [21:50] Okay. They're patched in Patchage to PulseIn, correct? [21:51] capture is at 100, [21:51] does it matter that it's that high? [21:51] Well, let's give it a try. Keep alsamixer open, you can always lower it if you get distortion. [21:52] They're patched in Patchage to PulseIn? [21:53] they were not they were set to channels for internetdj but restarting everything erased all of that for some reason [21:53] voip in and voip out were sending to pulse [21:55] * Eickmeyer is now wishing he had more experience with Internet DJ. [21:58] how about ardour 5? [22:00] Well, I just gave myself a crash course. Skype is looking at "Jack source (PulseIn)", correct? [22:01] yes [22:01] Here's how I have it patched (looks slightly different than Patchage, it's a program called Carla): https://imgur.com/87xVG8q.png [22:02] pulsein is the sound settings is registering the microphone activity [22:03] But Skype isn't? (I can't see any sound indications in Skype either, but I think that's a poor design). [22:03] oh you have voipout going to system [22:05] Yeah, I changed that though. [22:05] Hang on... [22:06] https://imgur.com/dLQpspW.png [22:06] skype is frozen and won't hang up the test call. what's the kill command? [22:07] I'd open a terminal and try "killall skype". [22:07] I just tested with my configuration (built-in laptop mic, built-in laptop speakers) and it seemed to work. [22:08] the way you have that setup though, i worry that DJ out will send the Skype callers audio back to them in a wicked echo [22:09] Yeah, mine was quick and dirty That latest imgur image is what I did. [22:09] just restarted skype, it's currently not seeing any speakers or microphones [22:09] i think i need to restart the system at this point [22:10] Eep. Yeah, something is definitely wrong if it can't see PulseIn/Out. (really, all it needs to see) [22:16] Rob is back on with Ardour/InternetDJ/Skype questions [22:17] Hey Rob! [22:17] Hello! [22:17] I'm working on a way to do it in Ardour. [22:17] Really, that's how I would do it, but that's because I'm an audio engineer and think like a mixer. [22:18] i want to do it in Ardour 5 [22:20] Okay. Here's how I set it up: https://imgur.com/t8Lw0qM.png [22:21] I added two mono audio tracks, one for each microphone. Then I added a stereo track for Pulse. Then I added a bus to act as a send to send the microphones to Pulse, giving them each an internal aux send to that bus. [22:22] ok, adding a bus is not something I'm familiar with :-( [22:22] Patched it like this. [22:22] https://imgur.com/12Vm5xu.png [22:22] Adding a bus is just like adding a track, but selecting "Audio bus" on the left instead of track. [22:25] Audio 1 output - Ardour Bus -Land R [22:26] https://imgur.com/sFH2lqx.png [22:29] I sent Mic 1 and 2 to Main with each having an aux send to "Pulse Send" and then Pulse Send routed to PulseIN. [22:29] PulseOUT routed to Pulse RTN, which is then routed to Main. [22:29] In this configuration, the people on Skype won't be able to hear themselves, but you'd be able to hear the mics and Skype. [22:31] ok trying to set this up... [22:35] skype is sending audio back to ardour. I'm not hearing it though [22:36] i'm not hearing it i believe becuase i have nothing going to microphone out (headphones [22:38] test call to skype failed on hearing my own voice [22:39] That's possible, but I'm concerned that the headphone jack on those mics is for listening to just the microphone. [22:39] Meaning, it's not for computer audio. [22:40] Reason is because I've seen those advertised on Amazon. [22:40] worked for the last year on a windows system [22:40] Oh, then I'm wrong. [22:41] Strange, and you have the main outs routed back to the microphone headphone outs? [22:41] main from Ardour, that is. [22:42] yeah, just checked youtube. I can hear audio through the headphones, skype isn't picking up the audio from my mic [22:43] sound settings are no longer showing input from Jack PulseIn [22:43] maybe ihave the bis setup wrong [22:43] Something is wrong with Skype then. Try closing Skype and reopening. [22:43] bus [22:44] Well, if the sound settings aren't showing input from PulseIn, then there's a problem. [22:44] Does Patchage see the PulseIn/PulseOut? [22:45] i think i fixed the bus [22:45] yes it sees that [22:45] Okay, then you're good. [22:45] Probably needed to patch the bus to PulseIn. [22:45] WE'VE DONE IT!!! [22:45] \o/ [22:45] OvenWerks: ^ [22:45] Needed to send to the buss [22:46] Ah, yes. The aux send. [22:46] ok how do I put a noise gate on these tracks? [22:47] Right-click in the black area in the track (Mixer view), click New Plugin > Plugin Manager. Search for "Gate" and you should have a few to choose from. [22:47] Also, you can drag the plugins into whatever order you need them on your channel strip. [22:49] ok thank you [22:49] You're quite welcome. Glad we got this working. [22:49] Checkout SpreadAviation.com to see where this work is going [22:49] Enjoy your... podcast, was it? [22:49] SpreadAviation!!!! [22:49] * Eickmeyer is a former pilot [22:49] <3 <3 <3 [22:51] Pilot for life [22:51] Seriously. I'm medically disqualified now, but man, I miss it. [22:51] No such thing as former, just not current [22:51] and you can always go up with a flight instructor [22:52] That's true. Now if I had the money.... ;) [22:52] I understand that! [22:52] Ha! Feel free to drop in anytime or on #ubuntustudio-offtopic. [22:52] * Eickmeyer is the Ubuntu Studio Flavor Lead [22:53] Excellent and tahnk you for your help [22:55] You're quite welcome. :) [23:10] good, glad it was figured out. [23:10] * OvenWerks closes all the extra windows on his desktop... [23:10] Haha! Did the same. [23:12] Just kinda cool to have helped one of biggest aviation podcasts on the planet. XD [23:13] * Eickmeyer is off to get "The Jumping Jonny" (my son) from school [23:13] o/