[19:44] <qwebirc89778> Hi, new user here named ROB, new to ubuntu and ubuntu studio. trying to setup audio recording for 2 microphones and skype
[19:46] <OvenWerks> qwebirc89778: go ahead, what kind of mics, what interface, what have you tried?
[19:47] <qwebirc89778> I have two ATR 2100 USB mics which are detected. I'm using ardour 5 but am unable to seperate audio sources to different tracks. I think my main problem is setting up JACK
[19:48] <OvenWerks> How are you setting up jack?
[19:49] <OvenWerks> Are you using a GUI based application or commandline?
[19:49] <qwebirc89778> GUI based. And currently can't even find jack in my programs
[19:50] <OvenWerks> Jackd/jackdbus do not on their own have a GUI
[19:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> qwebirc89778: What version of Ubuntu Studio?
[19:50] <qwebirc89778> I want to say it was Jack Server
[19:50] <qwebirc89778> had patches in it and everything
[19:51] <OvenWerks> jackd can be started on command line with jack_control or jackd. The GUI start up applications are ubuntustudio-control or qjackctl
[19:51] <OvenWerks> for using two USB mics, ubuntustudio-controls is probably the best thing to use.
[19:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Important to know which version, though.
[19:52] <OvenWerks> yes
[19:52] <OvenWerks> (-controls needs an about box or version listed somewhere else in the GUI)
[19:53] <qwebirc89778> I just installed it from software so I suppose it's the latest version
[19:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Or, really, the installed Ubuntu Studio version is a key (from the comand line: lsb_release -a)
[19:53] <OvenWerks> which flavour and version of ubuntu are you using.
[19:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> qwebirc89778: It might not be, which is why I'm asking what version of Ubuntu Studio.
[19:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> !yy.mm
[19:55] <qwebirc89778> i don't know which version. right now it's not letting me scroll through applications to get to command line
[19:55] <qwebirc89778> installed in the last 2 weeks though
[19:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> You still could have installed 18.04, 18.10, or 19.04. It all depends on what you downloaded, not when.
[19:56] <qwebirc89778> 18.04.2
[19:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Okay. Now we're getting somewhere.
[19:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-backports | qwebirc89778: did you enable this?
[19:57] <OvenWerks> -controls will be old.
[19:57] <qwebirc89778> Don't know if backports are enabled
[19:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> It isn't by default. It's something you would have to intentionally do.
[19:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> Follow that guide I just linked. You'll need the backports.
[20:01] <qwebirc89778> ok followed that guide.
[20:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-controls | qwebirc89778: This is the next thing you'll need:
[20:06] <qwebirc89778> ok thank you. reading through that now. Is there specific guidance in here about recording skype?
[20:07] <OvenWerks> there is more than one choice...
[20:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> qwebirc89778: video or just audio?
[20:08] <OvenWerks>  but with two usb mics you will need to make them both available as one device not two.
[20:08] <qwebirc89778> just audio. I'm in ardour 5 and trying to see my microphones and skype as sources
[20:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Okay. The only thing that Skype is going to see is whatever is sent to PulseIn.
[20:08] <OvenWerks> skype is pulse only. so the bridge between jack and pulse is your friend.
[20:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'd use Patchage or install Carla to do the connections.
[20:10] <OvenWerks> you will need some sort of application to mix your mics into one channel to send to skype so the other person can hear as well as record. I would almost say that idjc might be the best thing for this.
[20:10] <OvenWerks> (AKA "Interbet DJ Console"
[20:10] <OvenWerks> *internet
[20:11] <OvenWerks> it has mic inputs and a phone input (all jack)
[20:11] <OvenWerks> it is able to record and/or stream to the internet
[20:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'd use Ardour as if it were an actual mixer, but that's how my audio engineer brian works.
[20:12] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: have you ever tried IDJC?
[20:12] <qwebirc89778> just fired IDJC up now
[20:12] <OvenWerks> IDJC is quite common for radio station use in the studio.
[20:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ @freenode_OvenWerks:matrix.org: I have not, but that's just because I'm so used to Ardour.
[20:14] <OvenWerks> :)
[20:14] <OvenWerks> rivendale comes packed with idjc for controlroom I think.
[20:19] <qwebirc89778> anyone know how to get skype to recognize pulse as a microphone input?
[20:19]  * OvenWerks worked in the standard analog radio statio of yore. Mcurdy, mixer and turn tables with cart machines.
[20:20] <OvenWerks> with just pulse or with the jack-pulse bridge?
[20:21] <qwebirc89778> really a novice here. either way really
[20:21] <OvenWerks> skype uses pulse by default
[20:21] <OvenWerks> I am not suggesting one way or the other so much as finding what you are trying
[20:22] <OvenWerks> I have to know what you are trying before I can A) make it work that way or B) suggest an alternative
[20:22] <qwebirc89778> my knowledge is limited to copy and paste into the terminal. My goal is to be able to record audio for a podcast interview happening over skype in 3 hours time. :-/
[20:23] <qwebirc89778> I'm used to Windows and GUI's having previously used Bananameter
[20:23] <OvenWerks> I hope we can do quicker than that :) I have to leave sooner.
[20:23] <qwebirc89778> lol
[20:24] <qwebirc89778> right now i'm playing with IDJ and have it recognizing both microphones on the Meter but I've yet to hear any audio from the mics
[20:24] <OvenWerks> so why did you switch? (never mind)
[20:24] <OvenWerks> ok, good start.
[20:24] <OvenWerks> if you open patchage
[20:24] <OvenWerks> you should see idjc and pulse
[20:25] <qwebirc89778> idjc is shaking like crazy
[20:26] <OvenWerks> thats not nice, solid here
[20:27] <qwebirc89778> ok got it to stop shaking
[20:27] <OvenWerks> anyway, the normal thing is to connect idjc "voip_out_l and _r to PulseIn left and right
[20:28] <OvenWerks> and connect PulseOut to voip_in_l and _r
[20:30] <qwebirc89778> is it weird to have 2 pulse ins and no pulse outs?
[20:30] <OvenWerks> very.
[20:30] <OvenWerks> but not if your mic is the only audio device
[20:31] <qwebirc89778> yeah mics have headphone jacks in them. no other external speakers.
[20:32] <OvenWerks> that is still an output and should show up in jack and pulse should be there too. It could be that the pulseout is off of patchage's screen
[20:33] <qwebirc89778> trying a rearrange
[20:33] <qwebirc89778> found pulse out and pulse in
[20:33] <OvenWerks> you can use the name tag in patchage to grab and move a device around.
[20:35] <qwebirc89778> I have two of each pulse out/in, connect both to the voips?
[20:37] <qwebirc89778> and should I disconnect System from PulseIn to prevent feedback/echo?
[20:37] <OvenWerks> you may need to do that yes.
[20:39] <qwebirc89778> ok system playback has 8 tracks
[20:39] <qwebirc89778> tracks 1 and 2 are getting PulseOut, DJ Out, and Alarm out
[20:39] <qwebirc89778> by tracks i mean "playback"
[20:40] <OvenWerks> once you have pulse going through idjc, you probably don't want pulse to go through systemplayback.
[20:41] <OvenWerks> you are using pulse for your "phone" only in this case
[20:41] <OvenWerks> you would not be able to play audio from a web page at this point.
[20:42] <qwebirc89778> no audio from webpage, that's fine
[20:42] <OvenWerks> (controls does not yet have a way to set up more than one bridge at a time... add that to the list...)
[20:43] <OvenWerks> so does you mic show up as 8 outputs? or is that your internal device?
[20:44] <qwebirc89778> mic is 2. i have monitored audio by connecting DJ_out to Mic Playback
[20:45] <qwebirc89778> System has the 8 playbacks
[20:45] <OvenWerks> ok that works.
[20:46] <OvenWerks> The one problem I can see is that your second usb mic may try to be the same device name
[20:46] <qwebirc89778> ok Skype is playing test audio but i'm not hearing it nor seeing it on the meter
[20:46] <qwebirc89778> skype is set to default in skype settings
[20:47] <OvenWerks> Ya, the thing to try in idjc is to click on the green phone icon.
[20:47] <qwebirc89778> oooo
[20:47] <qwebirc89778> testing
[20:48] <qwebirc89778> ok did'nt record me in skype
[20:48] <OvenWerks> did you have the "DJ" button pressed?
[20:49] <qwebirc89778> i did before. it's greyed out now
[20:49] <OvenWerks> (the two verticle bars should be red)
[20:49] <qwebirc89778> they are red
[20:49] <qwebirc89778> aux was also red
[20:54] <OvenWerks> I am having difficulty too hang on.
[20:57] <OvenWerks> ok now I have it.
[20:57] <OvenWerks> not sure what I did though...
[20:57] <OvenWerks> The meters on the right ch1 should be showing level when you speak in the mic
[20:58] <qwebirc89778> i have mics assigned to channel 1 and 3
[20:58] <OvenWerks> right
[20:58] <qwebirc89778> and i have montioring so I'm hearing them
[20:58] <OvenWerks> with the DJ red you should be able to hear what you say in the output.
[20:59] <qwebirc89778> yes dj is allowing me to hear channel 1. not affecting channel 3
[20:59] <qwebirc89778> aux is doing channel 3 though
[21:00] <OvenWerks> at the top of the screen in the manu bar there is a little speaker where you would turn volume up and down.
[21:00] <OvenWerks> if you click on that and select sound settings
[21:01] <OvenWerks> Input devices... you should see a volume level (which should be at about 100%) and a bar below that.
[21:01] <OvenWerks> you mic level should show up there
[21:01] <qwebirc89778> yup, not showing activity
[21:02] <OvenWerks> And you have voip_out connected to pulsein?
[21:03] <qwebirc89778> yes i have voip_out to pulse_in
[21:03] <OvenWerks> And the green phone pressed?
[21:03] <OvenWerks> (a green phone should appear in the middle of the screen)
[21:04] <qwebirc89778> yes it's pressed and green phone visible
[21:06] <OvenWerks> Hu, I just have one voip_out plugged into pulsein and it seems to work here
[21:07] <qwebirc89778> any idea why i have two pulse-ins?
[21:07] <OvenWerks> Should be just a left and a right
[21:08] <OvenWerks> (front-left and front-right)
[21:08] <qwebirc89778> i have left and right on both PulseIn and PulseIn-01
[21:08] <qwebirc89778> same with out
[21:09] <OvenWerks> in the Volume Control app, do you also have a drop down where it says Jacksource?
[21:09] <qwebirc89778> it's a window and neither shows activity
[21:10] <OvenWerks> There should not be two bridges.
[21:10] <OvenWerks> That alomst sounds like an older controls application
[21:10] <qwebirc89778> let's blow up some bridges
[21:10] <OvenWerks> (there was such a bug)
[21:12] <OvenWerks> If you enabled the backports ppa and reinstalled ubuntustudio-controls that bug should be gone.
[21:13] <OvenWerks> in a terminal type px x |grep autojack
[21:13] <OvenWerks> you should only get two lines not three
[21:13] <OvenWerks> sorry not px
[21:14] <OvenWerks> ps x |grep autojack
[21:15] <qwebirc89778> rob@openair:~$ ps x |grep autojack 14747 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto autojack 19878 tty1     Sl+    0:00 /usr/bin/python3 -u /usr/bin/autojack 19923 tty1     Sl+    0:00 /usr/bin/python3 -u /usr/bin/autojack
[21:16] <qwebirc89778> still both there. restart?
[21:16] <OvenWerks> kill one of them
[21:17] <OvenWerks> at the far left there should be a number. kill <number>
[21:17] <OvenWerks> kill 19923 for example
[21:18] <qwebirc89778> not sure how to do that
[21:19] <OvenWerks> in a terminal type kill 19923
[21:20] <qwebirc89778> still there
[21:21] <OvenWerks> maybe try kill -9 19923
[21:21] <qwebirc89778> no such process
[21:21] <OvenWerks> you may then have to restart jack (and and the other apps)
[21:22] <OvenWerks> ok so it is not really there
[21:22] <OvenWerks> did patchage show some of the things are gone or are they all still there?
[21:24] <qwebirc89778> restarted all apps and Jack, pulseIn-01 is gone
[21:24] <qwebirc89778> still no activity in settings
[21:25] <qwebirc89778> skype not receiving minc
[21:25] <OvenWerks> if you connect directly from your mic capture to pulse in does that work?
[21:27] <qwebirc89778> the settings showed activity, skype didn't register
[21:27] <OvenWerks> does skype show up in the recording tab?
[21:29] <qwebirc89778> applications tab yes
[21:29] <OvenWerks> So you have activity in inputs? but not in recording?
[21:30] <qwebirc89778> yes
[21:31] <OvenWerks> in recording there should be a box that is grey that says Jakc source
[21:31] <OvenWerks> (right after the words "input from"
[21:32] <OvenWerks> clicking on it gives a drop down where jack source should be available
[21:34] <OvenWerks> There is also a speaker with x beside it. make sure that is not muted
[21:35] <qwebirc89778> i don't see a recording tab.
[21:35] <qwebirc89778> i see the applications tab in the sound settings
[21:36] <OvenWerks> This is the one that says "Volume Control" at the top?
[21:37] <qwebirc89778> Settings     Sound
[21:37] <OvenWerks> It should have Playback, Recording, Output Devices, Input Devices and Configuration tabs across the top.
[21:37] <qwebirc89778> That sounds like Windows to me
[21:37] <OvenWerks> I am sure it trys to mimic that yes.
[21:38] <OvenWerks> in a terminal type pacvucontrol
[21:38] <OvenWerks> Ac!
[21:38] <OvenWerks> pavucontrol
[21:38] <OvenWerks> I can;t spell all the time
[21:41] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I don't know if you can help here, but I need to pick up "The Lovely Laura" (my wife) from work.
[21:41] <OvenWerks> Back later
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: o/
[21:41] <qwebirc89778> thank you for your help
[21:42] <qwebirc89778> i've now installed pavucontrol
[21:42] <Eickmeyer> I'll be honest, I haven't been following along.
[21:43] <qwebirc89778> that's cool. Trying to setup patch so I can record a podcast interview in an hour and a half using either ardour 5 or InternetDJ. skype is not hearing the microphone inputs going through PulseIn
[21:43] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I think I gathered that, but thanks for the summary.
[21:44] <Eickmeyer> Did OvenWerks have you use alsamixer on the command line?
[21:44] <qwebirc89778> no
[21:45] <qwebirc89778> oh and i'm quite the noob at Linux, though I understand command line, i know not actual commands
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> Oh, it's an easy one. It's not an actual command, but opens a graphical/text interface (much like the DOS days of old).
[21:46] <Eickmeyer> My speculation is that the volume on your microphones in ALSA is all the way down.
[21:46] <Eickmeyer> So, open a terminal and type "alsamixer".
[21:47] <Eickmeyer> Then press F6 and select one of the microphones, then F4 for capture.
[21:47] <Eickmeyer> These are USB microphones, correct?
[21:47]  * Eickmeyer missed that part
[21:48] <qwebirc89778> yup usb
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> Okay, then try alsamixer and see if you can see the microphones in there.
[21:50] <Eickmeyer> Then make sure that "capture" for each one is up to at least 50%-ish (hard to tell sometimes based on the device).
[21:50] <qwebirc89778> i see them, i've raised volumes to 100
[21:50] <Eickmeyer> Okay. They're patched in Patchage to PulseIn, correct?
[21:51] <qwebirc89778> capture is at 100,
[21:51] <qwebirc89778> does it matter that it's that high?
[21:51] <Eickmeyer> Well, let's give it a try. Keep alsamixer open, you can always lower it if you get distortion.
[21:52] <Eickmeyer> They're patched in Patchage to PulseIn?
[21:53] <qwebirc89778> they were not they were set to channels for internetdj but restarting everything erased all of that for some reason
[21:53] <qwebirc89778> voip in and voip out were sending to pulse
[21:55]  * Eickmeyer is now wishing he had more experience with Internet DJ.
[21:58] <qwebirc89778> how about ardour 5?
[22:00] <Eickmeyer> Well, I just gave myself a crash course. Skype is looking at "Jack source (PulseIn)", correct?
[22:01] <qwebirc89778> yes
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> Here's how I have it patched (looks slightly different than Patchage, it's a program called Carla): https://imgur.com/87xVG8q.png
[22:02] <qwebirc89778> pulsein is the sound settings is registering the microphone activity
[22:03] <Eickmeyer> But Skype isn't? (I can't see any sound indications in Skype either, but I think that's a poor design).
[22:03] <qwebirc89778> oh you have voipout going to system
[22:05] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I changed that though.
[22:05] <Eickmeyer> Hang on...
[22:06] <Eickmeyer> https://imgur.com/dLQpspW.png
[22:06] <qwebirc89778> skype is frozen and won't hang up the test call. what's the kill command?
[22:07] <Eickmeyer> I'd open a terminal and try "killall skype".
[22:07] <Eickmeyer> I just tested with my configuration (built-in laptop mic, built-in laptop speakers) and it seemed to work.
[22:08] <qwebirc89778> the way you have that setup though, i worry that DJ out will send the Skype callers audio back to them in a wicked echo
[22:09] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, mine was quick and dirty That latest imgur image is what I did.
[22:09] <qwebirc89778> just restarted skype, it's currently not seeing any speakers or microphones
[22:09] <qwebirc89778> i think i need to restart the system at this point
[22:10] <Eickmeyer> Eep. Yeah, something is definitely wrong if it can't see PulseIn/Out. (really, all it needs to see)
[22:16] <qwebirc62715> Rob is back on with Ardour/InternetDJ/Skype questions
[22:17] <Eickmeyer> Hey Rob!
[22:17] <qwebirc62715> Hello!
[22:17] <Eickmeyer> I'm working on a way to do it in Ardour.
[22:17] <Eickmeyer> Really, that's how I would do it, but that's because I'm an audio engineer and think like a mixer.
[22:18] <qwebirc62715> i want to do it in Ardour 5
[22:20] <Eickmeyer> Okay. Here's how I set it up: https://imgur.com/t8Lw0qM.png
[22:21] <Eickmeyer> I added two mono audio tracks, one for each microphone. Then I added a stereo track for Pulse. Then I added a bus to act as a send to send the microphones to Pulse, giving them each an internal aux send to that bus.
[22:22] <qwebirc62715> ok, adding a bus is not something I'm familiar with :-(
[22:22] <Eickmeyer> Patched it like this.
[22:22] <Eickmeyer> https://imgur.com/12Vm5xu.png
[22:22] <Eickmeyer> Adding a bus is just like adding a track, but selecting "Audio bus" on the left instead of track.
[22:25] <qwebirc62715> Audio 1 output - Ardour Bus -Land R
[22:26] <Eickmeyer> https://imgur.com/sFH2lqx.png
[22:29] <Eickmeyer> I sent Mic 1 and 2 to Main with each having an aux send to "Pulse Send" and then Pulse Send routed to PulseIN.
[22:29] <Eickmeyer> PulseOUT routed to Pulse RTN, which is then routed to Main.
[22:29] <Eickmeyer> In this configuration, the people on Skype won't be able to hear themselves, but you'd be able to hear the mics and Skype.
[22:31] <qwebirc62715> ok trying to set this up...
[22:35] <qwebirc62715> skype is sending audio back to ardour. I'm not hearing it though
[22:36] <qwebirc62715> i'm not hearing it i believe becuase i have nothing going to microphone out (headphones
[22:38] <qwebirc62715> test call to skype failed on hearing my own voice
[22:39] <Eickmeyer> That's possible, but I'm concerned that the headphone jack on those mics is for listening to just the microphone.
[22:39] <Eickmeyer> Meaning, it's not for computer audio.
[22:40] <Eickmeyer> Reason is because I've seen those advertised on Amazon.
[22:40] <qwebirc62715> worked for the last year on a windows system
[22:40] <Eickmeyer> Oh, then I'm wrong.
[22:41] <Eickmeyer> Strange, and you have the main outs routed back to the microphone headphone outs?
[22:41] <Eickmeyer> main from Ardour, that is.
[22:42] <qwebirc62715> yeah, just checked youtube. I can hear audio through the headphones, skype isn't picking up the audio from my mic
[22:43] <qwebirc62715> sound settings are no longer showing input from Jack PulseIn
[22:43] <qwebirc62715> maybe ihave the bis setup wrong
[22:43] <Eickmeyer> Something is wrong with Skype then. Try closing Skype and reopening.
[22:43] <qwebirc62715> bus
[22:44] <Eickmeyer> Well, if the sound settings aren't showing input from PulseIn, then there's a problem.
[22:44] <Eickmeyer> Does Patchage see the PulseIn/PulseOut?
[22:45] <qwebirc62715> i think i fixed the bus
[22:45] <qwebirc62715> yes it sees that
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> Okay, then you're good.
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> Probably needed to patch the bus to PulseIn.
[22:45] <qwebirc62715> WE'VE DONE IT!!!
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> \o/
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ^
[22:45] <qwebirc62715> Needed to send to the buss
[22:46] <Eickmeyer> Ah, yes. The aux send.
[22:46] <qwebirc62715> ok how do I put a noise gate on these tracks?
[22:47] <Eickmeyer> Right-click in the black area in the track (Mixer view), click New Plugin > Plugin Manager. Search for "Gate" and you should have a few to choose from.
[22:47] <Eickmeyer> Also, you can drag the plugins into whatever order you need them on your channel strip.
[22:49] <qwebirc62715> ok thank you
[22:49] <Eickmeyer> You're quite welcome. Glad we got this working.
[22:49] <qwebirc62715> Checkout SpreadAviation.com to see where this work is going
[22:49] <Eickmeyer> Enjoy your... podcast, was it?
[22:49] <Eickmeyer> SpreadAviation!!!!
[22:49]  * Eickmeyer is a former pilot
[22:49] <Eickmeyer> <3 <3 <3
[22:51] <qwebirc62715> Pilot for life
[22:51] <Eickmeyer> Seriously. I'm medically disqualified now, but man, I miss it.
[22:51] <qwebirc62715> No such thing as former, just not current
[22:51] <qwebirc62715> and you can always go up with a flight instructor
[22:52] <Eickmeyer> That's true. Now if I had the money.... ;)
[22:52] <qwebirc62715> I understand that!
[22:52] <Eickmeyer> Ha! Feel free to drop in anytime or on #ubuntustudio-offtopic.
[22:52]  * Eickmeyer is the Ubuntu Studio Flavor Lead
[22:53] <qwebirc62715> Excellent and tahnk you for your help
[22:55] <Eickmeyer> You're quite welcome. :)
[23:10] <OvenWerks> good, glad it was figured out.
[23:10]  * OvenWerks closes all the extra windows on his desktop...
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> Haha! Did the same.
[23:12] <Eickmeyer> Just kinda cool to have helped one of biggest aviation podcasts on the planet. XD
[23:13]  * Eickmeyer is off to get "The Jumping Jonny" (my son) from school
[23:13] <OvenWerks> o/