[00:00] <OerHeks> qwebirc what happens when you hit F5 ?
[00:00] <OerHeks> some pages load slow
[00:04] <zap0> anyone recommend a file browser that shows me a files date?
[00:09] <hggdh> zap0: pretty much all will do; you will have to configure which fields are shown, though
[00:09] <zap0> name one.
[00:09] <OerHeks> click on the filebrowser 'name' panel, richt click, lots of options and date
[00:10] <zap0> OerHeks which one gives me the date?
[00:11] <hggdh> dolphin; whatever replaced Nautilus on Gnome; mc; etc
[00:11] <OerHeks> modified ?
[00:12] <OerHeks> you can make it stick as default in settings
[00:12] <OerHeks> on the panel is for this session opnly
[00:12] <hggdh> modified, yes. I do not think file creation is available on all filesystems
[00:13] <OerHeks> correct, there is a modified and access
[00:17] <OerHeks> The POSIX standard only defines three distinct timestamps to be stored for each file: the time of last data access, the time of last data modification, and the time the file status last changed.
[00:18] <OerHeks> only ntfs-3g, expose the file creation times via extended file attributes ... and modern Linux filesystems, such as ext4, Btrfs and JFS
[00:19] <zap0> hggdh dolphin shows me the actual date.  nice!  thank you.
[00:24] <Meeeh_> Hello
[00:25] <FortunateSon> anyone know where/how I can get a 32bit version of java webstart?  If I could find a static build that would be amazing.
[00:27] <OerHeks> FortunateSon, for openjdk , use  icedtea-netx ?
[00:27] <OerHeks> !info  icedtea-netx
[00:28] <stevendale_> Ew
[00:28] <OerHeks> javaws /path/to/your.jnlp
[00:28] <FortunateSon> OerHeks: I'm looking into that now, but I don't see a 32bit install candidate, only 64bit
[00:28] <OerHeks> oh ..
[00:29] <FortunateSon> the program I need to run ONLY support 32bit java
[00:30] <FortunateSon> which is ridiculous, but it is what I have to use
[00:30] <OerHeks> sure there is https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/icedtea-netx
[00:30] <OerHeks> icedtea-netx_1.8-0ubuntu8~18.04_i386.deb
[00:31] <OerHeks> ofcourse you take a 32 bit browser too?
[00:31] <TJ-> FortunateSon: "apt-cache policy icedtea-netx:i386"
[00:31] <TJ-> FortunateSon: you have "i386" added as a foreeign-architecture?
[00:32] <FortunateSon> yeah, that package has two dependencies which have "no installation candidate" :(
[00:36] <TJ-> FortunateSon: yes, it seems the dependencies in the icedtea-netx package control file are wrong, you need to pre-install the dependencies first. E.g. "sudo apt install libtagsoup-java librhino-java" (they're architecture "all" - in other words, text files not binary executables)
[00:37] <TJ-> FortunateSon: from there you may be able to then "sudo apt install icedtea-netx:i386 default-jre:i386"
[00:37] <FortunateSon> I'll have to look into that, thank you!
[00:38] <FortunateSon> linux community == best community
[00:39] <OerHeks> !cookie | TJ-
[00:40] <FortunateSon> will it work if I do that?
[00:40] <FortunateSon> !cookie | OerHeks
[00:40] <FortunateSon> hahaha cookies for all!
[00:40] <TJ-> FortunateSon: please report the packaging bug for that via https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/icedtea-web
[00:50] <TJ-> FortunateSon: I'm testing a fix for the package now
[00:50] <Boyette> im trying to install cav-linux but i get:error: dependency is not satisfiable: libssl0.9.8(>=0.9.8m-1)
[00:51] <Boyette> how can i fix this?
[00:52] <TJ-> Boyette: what is 'cav-linux' ?
[00:52] <Boyette> Comodo Anti Virus for Linux
[00:53] <TJ-> Boyette: it seems its package is not designed to work with the Ubuntu version you're using
[00:53] <OerHeks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libssl
[00:55] <TJ-> Boyette: libssl 0.9.8 is old; Ubuntu's oldest supported in 16.04 is libssl1.0.2g
[00:55] <OerHeks> sad answer .. https://forums.comodo.com/comodo-antivirus-for-linux-cavl/support-for-ubuntu-1804-t122273.0.html  as comodo antivirus is from 2012 .. dead ?
[00:55] <Boyette> so there is no solution
[00:55] <Boyette> to install cav on ubuntu 18?
[00:55] <OerHeks> not.
[00:55] <TJ-> Boyette: ask Comodo, seems they haven't kept it up to date
[00:56] <Boyette> ok
[00:56] <TJ-> Boyette: Linux/Ubuntu have clamav
[00:58] <Boyette> i ok
[00:59] <OerHeks> clamav Lynis (form rkhunter)
[00:59] <Boyette> so i install that instead?
[01:00] <OerHeks> install the tool, the gui, run update and have fun
[01:00] <leftyfb> Boyette: why do you think you need an antivirus?
[01:00] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ClamAV
[01:00] <Boyette> i dont need it?
[01:01] <leftyfb> Boyette: nope
[01:01] <Bashing-om> !virus | Boyette
[01:01] <Krennic> hmm
[01:01] <leftyfb> Boyette: I can guarantee you, you'll never see any antivirus running on a linux desktop catch anything
[01:02] <Boyette> ok
[01:02] <Boyette> i remove it then clam
[01:03] <OerHeks> yes, i got a virus, years ago, that hijacked my browser, just removed ~/.mozilla and voila  >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/eakrho2sfpgdvbw/virusaanval.png?dl=0
[01:03] <anonymous> hello
[01:03] <OerHeks> c: drive.. i was flabbergasted
[01:03] <anonymous> im anonymous
[01:09] <LORENZO> hola
[01:09] <LORENZO>  como andan
[01:09] <TJ-> FortunateSon: unfortunately, the build from source fails due to a missing Java package, so it appears there is something really wrong about the packaging currently. Not sure how it managed to get built at all!
[01:11] <FortunateSon> I was able to find a workaround for my purposes, I downloaded an old tar from oracle with a 32bit version of javaws in it.  That'll hold me over until I can get this sorted out.
[01:17] <TJ-> FortunateSon: I've reported it as Bug #1828489
[01:44] <Hashtag> What's really running in ubuntu when I use vi? "man vi" says it's vim
[01:47] <Bashing-om> Hashtag: Follow the crumbs ' ls -al /usr/bin/vi ' . Your result may be different than mine :)
[01:48] <leftyfb> Hashtag: sudo update-alternatives --display editor
[01:52] <TJ-> Hashtag: "readlink -e $(which vi)"
[02:14] <glick> hi
[02:14] <glick> whats a linux appimage?
[02:14] <glick> is that recommended over a ppa?
[02:14] <glick> i guess you just have to make it executable and you can run it?
[02:14] <glick> but it comes with no icons or integration into your menu system correct?
[02:20] <glick> anyone use the raw therapee PPA to install the latest version?
[02:25] <seven_hundred> Hey guys, good evening.
[02:25] <seven_hundred> I just installed Ubuntu on my PC. I accidentally did it twice from my flash drive before changing boot to my SSD.
[02:26] <seven_hundred> Nonetheless, I'm now in my login screen. My mouse is extra laggy and I can't get in
[02:26] <seven_hundred> Can anyone help?
[02:26] <seven_hundred> Whenever I type in my password, the screen goes black and returns to log in
[02:29] <guiverc> glick, you asked awhile ago, but https://askubuntu.com/questions/774490/what-is-an-appimage-how-do-i-install-it may have some clues about appimage  (i have no experience with them sorry)
[02:30] <seven_hundred> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1058792/lots-of-lag-and-log-in-loop Hey guys I think I found a solution nbut I can't Ctrl Alt F1
[02:32] <seven_hundred> jeez this is depressing
[02:34] <guiverc> seven_hundred, there can be many problems causing return to login (lack of space in $HOME means working files needed by gui can't be created, but tty login will succeed; but if new install it should be clear if you created the 25gb recommended space; graphics driver issue & others too)
[02:35] <seven_hundred> @guiverc what the heck, I pressed ctrl alt f2 and it brought me to the gui
[02:35] <seven_hundred> I don't get it
[02:35] <koognod> anyone have a little bit of time to help out a linux noob?
[02:35] <lotuspsychje> !ask | koognod
[02:36] <guiverc> seven_hundred, there is a situation that causes ctrl+alt+f7 to become f8 (or f1 become f2 in newer releases), but I forget it sorry
[02:36] <koognod> !patience
[02:37] <seven_hundred> well at least im now in the gui, which i dont even get how i got here
[02:38] <seven_hundred> i hope its not because of my bios settings
[02:41] <seven_hundred> yeah im still stuck at my login, unable to use my password
[02:42] <seven_hundred> even though its correct
[02:42] <seven_hundred> atleast i can get into my terminal now
[02:44] <eraserpencil> Hi! How do i tell what version a package i installed via apt corresponds to the official standard? For eg. libmodbus5 for Ubuntu 16.04 is at version 3.0.6-1, but officially at libmodbus.org, there is only version 3.0.4 and version 3.1
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil: apt-cache policy yourpackage, we only support packages from the official ubuntu repos
[02:46] <TJ-> eraserpencil: start with "apt-get changelog libmodbus5" and you'll see how the package version numbers advanced - often you'll see "new upstream version" as part of that
[02:46] <guiverc> eraserpencil, i'd use apt-cache as lotuspsychje answered, but note it gets it from your (cached) software lists, so if you haven't updated them or using a out-of-date mirror (sudo apt update) the answers can be out-of-date
[02:48] <seven_hundred> I'll explain once more. I just installed Ubuntu from windows for the first time.
[02:48] <TJ-> eraserpencil: current 'stable' version upstream is 3.0.6
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> seven_hundred: when you details your issue, please ask all in one line if you can
[02:49] <seven_hundred> I'm trying to log in with my correct password, it freezes and goes black, then log in screen again. I do ctrl alt f2 and am in the terminal.
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> !xauthority | seven_hundred try this
[02:51] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: "reboot" !? surely that should just say "sudo systemctl restart graphical.target/*dm.service" ?
[02:51] <seven_hundred> cannot remove '/home/user/.Xauthority*': No such file or directory
[02:51] <seven_hundred> @ubottu
[02:52] <eraserpencil> guiverc, TJ-, lotuspsychje, thanks for the reply. What I'm asking would be what version does 3.0.6 correspond to of the official libmodbus (https://libmodbus.org). I'm guessing 3.0.6 would correspond to the 3.0.4 standard with a couple of fixes, but is there a way to definitively know without assumptions?
[02:52] <TJ-> eraserpencil: NO, as I said, 3.0.6 is the upstream STABLE version
[02:52] <koognod> I've freshly installed Ubuntu server 17.10 and attempted to set up a static ip using the guide at https://www.google.com/amp/s/websiteforstudents.com/configuring-static-ips-ubuntu-17-10-servers/amp/. I did not add ipv6 just ipv4 but my configuration looked exactly like the example except my ethernet device was used instead of enp0s3. Anyways I trie
[02:52] <koognod> d to install vncserver afterwards and found I was not able to connect to any repositories.So i deleted my configuration to try to install vnc and still found rhat i am getting errors cannot initiate the connection and does not have a release file:(
[02:52] <guiverc> !17.10 | koognod
[02:53] <seven_hundred> ubottu there is no xauthority
[02:53] <guiverc> koognod, 17.10 means 2017.October, a non-LTS with 9 months of support, which upgraded to 18.04 LTS; so start by installing a supported release of Ubuntu (use LTS or long-term-support if you need >9 months life or don't want ot upgrade regularly)
[02:54] <seven_hundred> !xauthority
[02:55] <seven_hundred> lotuspsychje there is no xauthority
[02:55] <eraserpencil> ahh, okay. I just found the documentation for 3.0.6
[02:55] <koognod> I tried 18.04 but was having issues with the graphics driver on my mac mini. I didn't realize that I wouldn't be able to download software for 17.10 I think I understand now
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> seven_hundred: yes, you already said it
[02:55] <koognod> thank you
[02:56] <seven_hundred> I'm going mad lol
[02:56] <guiverc> koognod, 17.10 will be a security risk given it's out-of-date software, 16.04 LTS is still supported (a long-term support release; so 16.04 + 5 years = 2021.april eol)
[02:57] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: A first time install can be daunting .. but millions have done it - I am sire you can too :D
[02:57] <koognod> cool, thank you @guiverc
[02:57] <seven_hundred> Bashing-om the install is finished, I can't log in
[02:58] <TJ-> seven_hundred: as you can get to a terminal, we may be able to search the log files for clues
[02:58] <guiverc> koognod, also fyi:  after EOL, repo.software is moved from archive.ubuntu.com to old-release.ubuntu.com; which is why your machine can't find it...
[02:58] <seven_hundred> I'm in ;)
[02:58] <guiverc> old-releases ^
[02:59] <TJ-> seven_hundred: start off by looking for warnings or errors that might be relevant, using " journalctl -n 50 -p warning " to look at just the last 50 warnings/errors
[02:59] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: at the terminal ;; what shows ` sudo lshw -C display ` . Likely this is a graphics driver issue.
[03:04] <seven_hundred> description: VGA compatible controller, product: gp106 GeForce GTX 1060 3GB, physical id:0, bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0, version: a1, width: 64 bits, clock 33MHz, capabilities: pm msi pciexpress vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom, configuration: driver=nouveau latency=0, resources: irq:131 memory:de000000-deffffff memory:cooooooo-cffffff .... Bashing-om
[03:06] <seven_hundred> TJ- should i type the red ones
[03:06] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: So much for my thought as the nouveau drivr is loaded .. I bow to TJ- :)
[03:07] <TJ-> seven_hundred: you just said "I'm in" - did you mean you've managed to log-in to the GUI sessions?
[03:08] <seven_hundred> I'm in the terminal
[03:08] <seven_hundred> It seems like I have two
[03:08] <seven_hundred> F2 and F3
[03:08] <seven_hundred> Wait I have so many
[03:08] <TJ-> seven_hundred: ahhh, in which case do: "sudo apt install pastebinit" - if the system has network connectivity it'll install the package, THEN you can show us the results of the command by doing " pastebinit <( journalctl -n 50 -p warning )" and giving us the URL
[03:08] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: default there are 8 TTYs - one of these has the GUI.
[03:09] <seven_hundred> okay it installed i think
[03:12] <seven_hundred> http://paste.ubuntu.com/h3GMkJ7KVH/ TJ-
[03:12] <TJ-> seven_hundred: that is weird, I see " The Paste you are looking for does not currently exist. "
[03:12] <seven_hundred> i'll try again
[03:14] <seven_hundred> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VJvGpjQwmm/ TJ- this one works
[03:14] <TJ-> seven_hundred: maybe, if you typed the URL rather than copy/pasted it, you mistyped?
[03:14] <TJ-> seven_hundred: fab, thanks, now we can get moving!
[03:16] <TJ-> seven_hundred: can you now show us " pastebinit /home/adem/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log "
[03:17] <seven_hundred> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s5vhBRzn4v TJ-
[03:18] <Bashing-om> TJ-: seven_hundred "root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root" encrypted system or LVM ?
[03:19] <seven_hundred> I used the option for encryption
[03:19] <TJ-> seven_hundred: line 671 onwards gives us a great stack-trace when it died
[03:19] <seven_hundred> I don't understand
[03:22] <seven_hundred> I don't know what to do, should i reset everything?
[03:22] <seven_hundred> Bios settings to default etc.
[03:23] <TJ-> seven_hundred: I found a similar bug but with no workaround or resolution, I'll keep digging: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93134
[03:26] <seven_hundred> My pc had been crashing, blue screen of death, because of a bad overclock. It sat for months until I learned about resetting cmos. Then I put the newest ubuntu on a flash drive. updated my bios, changed some settings. set it to boot from my flash drive and installed. then I forgot to change the boot priority and accidentally installed it again. now im here
[03:29] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: Might be good to show us what the partitioning of the drive is now. pastebin ' sudo parted -l ' . So we know there is but one install and it is as we expect it to be.
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> seven_hundred: and your dmesg log too :p
[03:30] <seven_hundred> that command isn't working with pastebin
[03:31] <seven_hundred> Bashing-om
[03:32] <TJ-> seven_hundred: what ubuntu release is it?
[03:32] <seven_hundred> lotuspsychje what's the exact command bro, i dont know lol
[03:32] <TJ-> seven_hundred: I've found a bug that seems to match, has only been fixed in Ubuntu Cosmic so far: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1792932/comments/14
[03:32] <seven_hundred> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS TJ-
[03:33] <TJ-> seven_hundred: the bug title is misleading - the bug actually covers a lot of other cases
[03:33] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: What works for me ' sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[03:34] <TJ-> seven_hundred: the comment 14 I linked to matches the first unexpected error "(EE)" your xorg log showed: "(EE) modeset(0): glamor initialization failed"
[03:35] <seven_hundred> cool
[03:35] <TJ-> seven_hundred: another report but again no solution: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1110461/ubuntu-18-10-xorg-server-error-logout/1112738
[03:36] <seven_hundred> Bashing-om command not found
[03:36] <seven_hundred> unrecognised disk label
[03:37] <TJ-> seven_hundred: in the Xorg log backtrace, the "SendErrorToClient()" function call follows from "InitFonts()" - that *may* suggest the problem is the font files are somehow missing/broken
[03:37] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: Sorry - encryptipon is out of my experience . that command should have ran :(
[03:38] <seven_hundred> I'll try to type what comes up Bashing-om
[03:39] <seven_hundred> Model: ATA Samsung SSD 860 (scsi)
[03:40] <seven_hundred> aaah its so much to type lol
[03:42] <koognod> ive installed 16.04 lts on my mac mini but am not able to boot after installing. i am getting an error right away b43-phy0 firmware file... not found
[03:43] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: My result from ` sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999 ` : https://termbin.com/xpnj
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> koognod: did you say you were trying to install ubuntu-server?
[03:46] <seven_hundred> Bashing-om I have 250GB SSD with 1 primary, 1 extended and 1 logical. The other one is a 1TB hdd with ntfs basic data partition, 16.8 mb microsoft reserved partition
[03:46] <koognod> yes
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> koognod: come join to #ubuntu-server please
[03:47] <koognod> ok sorry ty
[03:47] <seven_hundred> also another 2 models: Linux device-mapper (linear) and another
[03:48] <seven_hundred> idk man, I'm thinking I should just reset everything, what do you think TJ-
[03:49] <TJ-> seven_hundred: it's worth a try seeing as it is a fresh install you've no data to backup/lose
[03:50] <seven_hundred> Yeah, I'll just put all my BIOS back to normal too
[03:51] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: If this is a recent nachine with EFI ,, ya want to boot the installer in EFI mode :)
[03:51] <Bashing-om> machine*
[03:52] <seven_hundred> I'm not sure what EFI is. My motherboard is asus z370a
[03:52] <seven_hundred> From last year
[03:53] <TJ-> seven_hundred: UEFI is the firmware in the motherboard that starts the system and finds the boot-loader and executes it
[03:53] <seven_hundred> oh UEFI, i think that's an F2 spam instead of delete or something
[03:53] <seven_hundred> lemme try
[03:54] <seven_hundred> TJ- It just says UEFI BIOS Utility
[03:54] <seven_hundred> fug
[03:56] <Bashing-om> !uefi | seven_hundred
[03:56] <seven_hundred> Should I install third-party software
[03:56] <seven_hundred> Bashing-om
[03:57] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: As this is a problematic install _ suggest we install the 3rd party stuff later. After you have a completed install.
[03:58] <seven_hundred> Bashing-om no encryption, erase disk and install ubuntu?
[04:00] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: In this case sounds good . The default install will suffice. Will take you a bit to learn linux and by then you will have a better understanding of how you want to change the defaults.
[04:00] <stevendale> Hi
[04:01] <seven_hundred> Come on this time it has to work. I just want to get settled into this pc tonight and try to play one game
[04:02] <seven_hundred> If not I'm just going to i n s t a l l g e n t o o
[04:03] <seven_hundred> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1557447606648.png
[04:04] <gambl0r3> how do i downgrade my ubuntu to 18.04?
[04:05] <seven_hundred> alright I'm in the gui
[04:05] <gambl0r3> what gui?
[04:05] <seven_hundred> Ubuntu. *I'm in...*
[04:06] <gambl0r3> yea im using the gui. do you want me to open up the terminal?
[04:06] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: Great ! All good for the present ?
[04:06] <seven_hundred> What's livepatch. The legal notice says something about collecting data
[04:06] <seven_hundred> wtf
[04:06] <guiverc> gambl0r3, you haven't said what release you are using, but a downgrade isn't designed or tested. you can re-install 18.04 using install-media, use something-else & select your partition, with 'no-format' and your added software is noted; sys dirs are wiped; system install & added-software (if from ubuntu repoos) are re-installed
[04:06] <Bashing-om> gambl0r3: There is no goback button. A clean install is by far the best option to return to 18.04.
[04:07] <mouses> gambl0r3: the best method is to always have a full system image file ready *before* you make major changes to a system - then you can downgrade/rollback/restore anything with ease.
[04:08] <seven_hundred> Bashing-om so far so good
[04:08] <mouses> Always make backups make them often, and then backup your backups
[04:08] <gambl0r3> mouses, you mean a back up? how do i do that?
[04:08] <Bashing-om> !yay | seven_hundred
[04:09] <mouses> gambl0r3: tons of ways to do it - I prefer clonezilla, there's also tools like rsync
[04:09] <gambl0r3> mouses, so i create an image file of my system? is it a backup?
[04:10] <mouses> gambl0r3: https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift/ is useful too - creates windows like 'restore points'
[04:10] <mouses> gambl0r3: I use clonezilla for full images, that way you end up with just a single image file that you can just restore at any time
[04:10] <gambl0r3> mouses, do i burn it to an usb?
[04:11] <gambl0r3> how would i boot it if my computer has booting issues
[04:11] <mouses> gambl0r3: clonezilla can do that for you easy - there's a bit of a learning curve, but it's well documented and not that bad.
[04:11] <gambl0r3> err ok
[04:11] <mouses> gambl0r3: clonezilla needs to be installed on a USBkey/optical media and then booted - so backing up or restoring involves rebooting into clonezilla, doing what needs to be done
[04:12] <seven_hundred> Bashing-om It lets me in but the log in screen is still hella laggy
[04:12] <seven_hundred> Weird
[04:12] <mouses> as making a proper perfect 1:1 image file is not really possible to a drive that's actually mounted and in use by the OS at that time.
[04:13] <seven_hundred> Special thanks to 200 IQ Bashing-om and TJ-
[04:13] <gambl0r3> mouses, if i tried to install mongodb using 18.10 version, will it still work? https://docs.mongodb.com/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-ubuntu/
[04:14] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: If you mean a long delay between the time you input your password and the time the GUI starts - I have that issue and I have no known cause :(
[04:15] <seven_hundred> Bashing-om no its not that, my mouse cursor will freeze when moving it, characters typed will lag and freeze
[04:15] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: Ouch !
[04:15] <mouses> gambl0r3: most likely, sure.
[04:15] <mouses> gambl0r3: only way to know for sure is to try it!
[04:17] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: Ya want to game - and as a wild guess again is a driver issue . try ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' reboot the system to see what it looks like now with the proprietary driver installed :)
[04:18] <seven_hundred> Bashing-om jesus thanks for those commands
[04:19] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: Hey - we all know what it feels like .. We were all at one time where you are now :P
[04:19] <seven_hundred> I'm hyped for linux / gnu though.
[04:21] <FriedBob> In landscape, in the search box is there a way to use opertors like OR and NOT, rather than just ANDing together a bunch of tags and alerts? I can't find anything about this in the docs (they seem to be geared towards administering Landscape, not actually using it), and `tag:foo (tag:bar OR tag:baz)` and `tag:foo !tag:bar` give me errors about invalid search parameters.
[04:28] <seven_hundred> How can I make sure my graphics is outputting 144 fps?
[04:28] <seven_hundred> (limited at 144)
[04:33] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: ' glxgears -info ' .
[04:37] <seven_hundred> Bashing-om does this automatically set my graphics card to output at max 144 (or unlimited)
[04:38] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: Nope just gives you info.
[04:38] <seven_hundred> Yeah I have a 144 hz monitor and need 144 output
[04:39] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: Are you confusing the term resolution with Frames Per Second ?
[04:39] <seven_hundred> nope. maybe im used to windows
[04:40] <seven_hundred> Because windows has you maxing at 60 fps if you dont set your display settings at 144
[04:42] <Bashing-om> seven_hundred: This ain't Windows :) .. to see resolutions: ` xrandr -q ` .
[04:52] <theorem> hiya !
[04:53] <theorem> any idea why after an update all shortcut keys in ubuntu 18.04 don't function ?
[04:57] <seven_hundred> goodnight dude, thanks for all the help Bashing-om
[04:58] <Bashing-om> Secret-Fire: Np - help is what we do :)
[05:03] <ScriptGeek> su: failed to execute /in/bash: No such file or directory   Can someone tell me what that means?
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> !details | ScriptGeek
[05:16] <qwebirc46143> My Ubuntu 18.04 is not booting
[05:16] <qwebirc46143> Can you please help
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc46143: at wich point are you stuck please?
[05:30] <theorem> ScriptGeek: sounds like a script is missing the 'b' in /bin/
[05:30] <theorem> if you are getting this at login time, then the user is created wrong
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> theorem: did you try to boot a previous kernel as a test? system up to date?
[05:30] <theorem> and the default terminal needs to be fixed
[05:31] <theorem> lotuspsychje: kernel seems OK, it's just UI settings.
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> theorem: how about a test in a new user?
[05:31] <theorem> lotuspsychje: also, gtk apps look different too
[05:31] <theorem> ah, interesting, could do.
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> theorem: are you on gnome?
[05:32] <theorem> lotuspsychje: how can I tell ?
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> theorem: well did you install ubuntu desktop 18.04 or a flavor?
[05:32] <theorem> desktop
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> ok then its gnome3
[05:33] <theorem> I had some display issues with my card a while back, so had to tweak a couple things -- but the latest update I received seems to have made these changes
[05:33] <theorem> so -- I think I am getting bad defaults.
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> theorem: wich chipset & driver loaded please?
[05:34] <theorem> lotuspsychje: is there a realiable way to report this ?  just dmesg ?
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> theorem: ubuntu-drivers devices
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> theorem: or sudo lshw -C video
[05:34] <theorem> first command does nothing
[05:35] <theorem> https://pastebin.com/UZAk9Jb4
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> theorem: looks good and loaded
[05:36] <theorem> yeah, gtk app is very "chunky" looking.  Like I stepped back into 2002.
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> theorem: wich app are you talking about?
[05:37] <theorem> deluge-gtk is the app
[05:37] <theorem> the app didn;t look like this before the update
[05:37] <theorem> and deluge-gtk wasn't updated.
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> theorem: looks fine at my side, a blue drop icon right?
[05:37] <theorem> yes
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> theorem: try a few tests first, like create new user, boot previous kernel, check dpkg logs to see what updated
[05:39] <theorem> ok
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> theorem: perhaps a wayland login test too
[05:39] <theorem> sudo dpkg -i
[05:39] <theorem> whoops
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> theorem: ill be back in 20
[05:41] <theorem> lotuspsychje: I can't keep my eyes open, so I am going to have to come back unfortunately.
[05:47] <gambl0r3> after running tar command, where does it extract all the files to? tar xvzf <file.tar.gz>
[05:47] <theorem> current path
[05:48] <gambl0r3> of what
[05:48] <gambl0r3> ls
[05:48] <theorem> pwd
[05:49] <theorem> also known as cwd
[05:49] <ScriptGeek> theorem: thank you, you were right. I made a silly typo =P
[05:50] <gambl0r3> i extrated a .tar.gz file, now how do i install the actual program?
[05:50] <gambl0r3> i see a bin, include, lib folders
[05:50] <theorem> gambl0r3: read the README file
[05:50] <theorem> or INSTALL
[05:50] <gambl0r3> theres none
[05:50] <theorem> there should be instructions on a website then
[05:51] <gambl0r3> theres none on the website https://robomongo.org/download
[05:51] <gambl0r3> i downlaoded Robo 3T
[05:51] <gambl0r3> for linux
[05:52] <bryanroderyck> hello ubuntu , i would likt to upgrade my ubuntu but i have internal error due to a python3 bug
[05:52] <theorem> got to bin
[05:52] <theorem> *go to bin
[05:52] <theorem> run robo3t
[05:52] <gambl0r3> how?
[05:52] <theorem> ./
[05:53] <gambl0r3> how did you know to do that?
[05:53] <theorem> bin is where binaries are stored
[05:53] <theorem> standard practice
[05:53] <theorem> ./ will run a file.
[05:53] <gambl0r3> you mean like the .exe installation file?
[05:53] <theorem> there are no .exe files in linux
[05:54] <gambl0r3> i mean in windows
[05:54] <theorem> if you really want to know what a file is, use 'file'
[05:54] <gambl0r3> its similar
[05:54] <theorem> running a file is not installing it
[05:54] <gambl0r3> it opened up the installer
[05:54] <theorem> packages like dpkg, or apt, or rpm, etc .. are installers
[05:54] <gambl0r3> when i ran the command
[05:55] <theorem> alright, that's weird of them to package it like that, but not unheard of.
[05:57] <gambl0r3> nevermind. it runs the actual program when i run that command
[05:57] <gambl0r3> i thought programs are supposed to be installed inside /bin dir?
[05:57] <gambl0r3> by default
[06:02] <bryanroderyck> https://imgur.com/a/SmZkbAc
[06:02] <bryanroderyck> https://imgur.com/a/weqVypx
[06:03] <EriC^^> gambl0r3: only repo stuff is supposedto go in /bin
[06:04] <gambl0r3> i see
[06:04] <gambl0r3> EriC^^, can i move the folder to somewhere else so that it's not sitting in /Downloads dir?
[06:04] <EriC^^> other stuff could go in /usr/local/bin
[06:04] <gambl0r3> what is that folder used for?
[06:04] <EriC^^> gambl0r3: yeah there's also /opt
[06:04] <EriC^^> gambl0r3: non repo packaeg installs
[06:05] <gambl0r3> should i put it in /opt or /usr/local/bin?
[06:05] <EriC^^> so as not to get overwritten or affect any repo packages
[06:05] <EriC^^> i'd put in /opt
[06:05] <EriC^^> and add to $PATH
[06:06] <gambl0r3> seriously, is there a linux boox that explains ubuntu 101 especially explaining all these folders
[06:07] <gambl0r3> inside /usr/local i see many folders bin, etc, games, include, lib, man, sbin, share, src. what if i put the folder inside sbin? am i going to break something?
[06:07] <rfm> bryanroderyck, I would suspect you have a totally coruppted insatall, or (sadly more likely) a hardware problem. I would back up all user data you care about to someplace else and wipe that system and install a fresh version and hope that helps.
[06:08] <rfm> bryanroderyck, I could be wrong, you could wait to see if anybody else has a less drastic solution
[06:09] <bryanroderyck> i cant boot from cd even i have change bootsetup.. are there keys to press to get cd boot?
[06:12] <rfm> gambl0r3, if you really wanna know read the fhs at https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/fhs.shtml -- lots of wisdom there but not a 101 level
[06:12] <bryanroderyck> im actually on ubuntu 16.04 but would like to upgrade to 18
[06:13] <rfm> bryanroderyck, if you can't boot from CD even after making sure the BIOS is reading that first, you either have a bad CD or a broken system
[06:28] <bryanroderyck> rfm : i cant boot now it read the dvdrom and freeze ..what can cause this
[06:29] <bryanroderyck> * i mean it boot but not totally
[06:35] <Filikun> Hey! I'm new to Linux and Ubuntu but have a question about Ubuntu server. How much disk space/RAM does it need for a simple setup?
[06:36] <Filikun> I'm experimenting with VM's in Proxmox and have setup a couple of Ubuntu servers that runs smaller services like Home Assistant, Caddy, Nextcloud and Pi-hole. They all have their own VM.
[06:40] <bryanroderyck> anybody here that can help me to fix my ubuntu
[06:40] <ducasse> Filikun: the smallest vps systems my provider offers has (i think) 10gb disk and 512mb ram, but you can get by with much less disk. 512mb ram is probably a reasonable minimum, though
[06:41] <Filikun> Nice! I have set my default disk size to 10 GB so all of them runs of that except Home Assistant that has 32GB.
[06:42] <Filikun> I feel it's so hard as a noob to know how much space to actually give a VM. I hear a lot of different theorys of what Ubuntu actually needs
[06:42] <seven_hundred> Hey I'm back. Is there a way to download the whole extensive package for ubuntu. I chose to do a minimal installation but I feel like I'm missing a lot of things and am really struggling at the moment.
[06:42] <Filikun> Some say I need to give them at least 20GB, some say 1.6GB and some say around 10GB...
[06:43] <ducasse> Filikun: 20gb would be for a reasonable desktop minimum, imo
[06:43] <Filikun> Yeah that was I guess as well
[06:44] <Filikun> Ubuntu states here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[06:45] <Filikun> That the server installation needs 1,5 GB disk space. But I guess that's only for the install and not for all the things downloaded andd applied after.
[06:45] <seven_hundred> I downloaded icecat browser but for the life of me, I can't create a launcher
[06:47] <ducasse> Filikun: 1.5gb won't leave you much if any space for data and services
[06:48] <ducasse> Filikun: 256mb ram is also too little, i think
[06:48] <Chaekyung> XUbuntu requires 8 GB HDD space. To install.
[06:49] <ducasse> not server
[06:49] <Chaekyung> Yes XUbuntu is not the server edition
[06:49] <ducasse> bur we are talking about server
[06:50] <priv> If you aim for a small instance you need to take swap into consideration, because you most likely encounter memory full problem.
[06:51] <priv> For example if you serve a LAMP you need to calculate how many requests you can take, and add some swap to prevent memory killer killing you processes.
[06:53] <Filikun> For example I have a Caddy VM that runs on Ubuntu server. I gave it 512gb RAM and 10GB storage. I'm not sure how to check how much storage it actually uses of them 10 but I can tell it's running ok with 512gb RAM. Seems like it runs on around 430mb as of now
[06:57] <Filikun> I'm not sure but maybe it's better resource wise to run Hassio and Pi-hole on Raspbian than on Ubuntu server?
[06:58] <priv> check ram: free -h / check disk: df -h
[07:01] <Celroc> Hi all.  I need some help.  Windows died on me, and I'm trying to clean up the aftermath.  I think I keep running into issues with a NTFS partition that didn't have a chance to sync properly.  When I try to run ntfsrecover -k /dev/sdb1 I get the following output, but really have no idea what I'm doing.  I apologize if this is the wrong channel-- I'm not entirely sure where to ask.
[07:01] <Celroc> https://pastebin.com/L7czjAXz
[07:02] <Filikun> priv: Here's how my 32GB instance looks like
[07:02] <Filikun> https://hastebin.com/evijutomiy.sql
[07:03] <Filikun> So I guess it has a lot of space over
[07:03] <priv> That's correct
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> Celroc: are you trying to recover data from your lost partition?
[07:07] <ducasse> Celroc: if you're trying to rescue your windows install you should probably ask in ##windows
[07:07] <Celroc> lotuspsychje: Sort of.  Windows crashed while this drive was mounted and I'm having trouble syncing it to get it back to a usable state
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> Celroc: see what ducasse said, or if you are using ubuntu to recover data, try photorec
[07:08] <Celroc> ducasse: Well.... the tricky part is it wasn't actually my Windows system drive.  It was just a NTFS partition on another drive that I used to store things
[07:08] <Celroc> I no longer have my Windows install
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | Celroc sudo photorec after install
[07:09] <Celroc> photorec?  Alright, thank you!  I'll try it!
[07:09] <stevendale> !info ntfsfix | Celroc
[07:09] <CarlFK> once I burn this to a usb stick, how can I expand the fat fs?   http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/disco/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz
[07:10] <stevendale> !info ntfsprogs | Celroc
[07:10] <stevendale> Seems I am a little rusty at this
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot > stevendale first
[07:10] <Celroc> np.  I appreciate it.
[07:11] <ducasse> !info ntfs-3g
[07:11] <stevendale> But anyway, Celroc, if it's an NTFS drive you may need to kill the hibernation state with ntfsfix before being able to mount it
[07:11] <stevendale> It won't mount at all under Linux until hibernation is discard with ntfsfix
[07:12] <Celroc> stevendale: YES!  ntfsfix did it!  I was using the wrong tool with ntfsrecover
[07:13] <Celroc> stevendale: Thank you!  and thank you everyone else, too!
[07:13] <stevendale> o/
[07:13] <stevendale> You're welcome Celroc :)
[07:19] <priv> Just tried on a VM, a fully updated 18.04.02 default install already exceeds 4.1GB(including 2GB swap)
[07:33] <Guest13999> welcome
[07:33] <qwebirc88023> Hello
[07:33] <Guest13999> you gonna be the chosen
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> Guest13999: only ubuntu support questions here please
[07:34] <qwebirc88023> I had a interest problem with a new 19.04 min insatall today
[07:35] <qwebirc88023> Not sure of the best place to start on getting to the bottom of it
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> !ask | qwebirc88023
[07:37] <qwebirc88023> unziping a file and then greping for a string the system was unusable
[07:37] <BigBrothyr> Trying to figure out my CPU temperature but the sensors are saying something way lower than ambient. AMD 5350 APU.
[07:38] <Guest13999> how to activate vpn ?
[07:39] <qwebirc88023> file unzipped to 200GB took 100 mins grep for string took same time
[07:41] <lupulo> qwebirc88023, you could use awk
[07:42] <priv> Sounds more likely to be I/O bottlenecked
[07:42] <qwebirc88023> makes no diff - mouse acted like it was frozen caps-lock led did not light up. 60-90 sec delay on all actions
[07:42] <lupulo> qwebirc88023, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1921701
[07:43] <qwebirc88023> not CPU bound i think IO bound
[08:11] <heller_> hey
[08:12] <heller_> what do you guys suggests, how to manage multipe server and their users?
[08:12] <heller_> for example easily manage multiple authorized_keys files
[08:13] <guiverc> BigBrothyr, this may help (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto)
[08:18] <pragomer> as the newest gnome version 3.32 has a big benefit in performance, is it somehow possible to install it under ubuntu lts (18.04.2) ?
[08:18] <pragomer> or is the only way to go with non-lts?
[08:19] <zen_coder> I am in a folder XY and calling a script in another folder. How can I get in this script the path of this script?
[08:21] <guiverc> pragomer, i read on the ubuntu.community.hub earlier today some of the speed fixes are being backported to supported releases; but if you put 3.32 on 18.04, you'd likely have a system that'd be EOL when 19.04 reaches EOL (as parts would stop being updated then)
[08:22] <pragomer> guiverc: ok, so you think in a while these speed benefits will perhaps come automatically via updates or would I have to enable these "backports" ?
[08:23] <guiverc> pragomer, i think 'fixes' was a key word, ie. changes wouldn't be backported (just fixes) but that was my reading (I'm not a gnome user)
[08:24] <pragomer> guiverc: ok but thanks for the info so far
[08:26] <guiverc> it may need backports; sorry I don't know
[08:29] <jp__> Hi guys, i wanna read out everything that comes in throught the physical ethernet port.... Any clues?
[08:30] <pragomer> create a eth bridge and use tshark
[08:30] <pragomer> then analysizing with wireshark
[08:32] <jp__> sounds like allot of steps
[08:32] <jp__> Was thinking more like cat ethernet > log.txt
[08:33] <pragomer> if you are sitting in front of the machine you want to capture and are allowed to you could just use wireshark only and record e.g. eth0
[08:33] <jp__> I need to automate it, so i want to use low level stuff
[08:33] <jp__> Or python
[08:33] <pragomer> I think either "tcpdump" or "tshark" are best tools to capture network traffic
[08:34] <pragomer> these are super performant cli tools
[08:35] <SwedeMike> jp__: "tcpdump -n -i <interface>" will show you the packets going there. If you want to save it, use -w <filename> and it'll save it to a file in pcap format.
[08:35] <jp__> Thanks SwedeMike
[08:36] <ifvoid> is there a way to report spam in Laucnhpad?  (i.e., https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1647031/comments/52)
[08:44] <ace_me> hi.. Is it possible to change a tab background color (when multitabs) and make that persistent based on folder location ? Please tell me how if have any ideea ?
[08:44] <ace_me> for bash terminals... sorry
[08:45] <ace_me> now I have grey and white on all new tabs
[08:46] <BigBrothyr> guiverc, that didn't change anything. I'm going to assume there's no real temp output. right now it's reporting 8C and it's 25C ambient.
[08:48] <priv> ace_me: I think it's easiler to create multiple profiles.
[08:49] <begonia> @search Carole King
[08:52] <priv> ace_me: Set 'Open new terminals in:' to Tab and custom command for each profile, and you can use "new terminal" to create different tab in their profiles for you different usages
[08:52] <fefa2k> Hello!
[08:53] <ace_me> priv... I see and i neeed to run a custom command there.. Should I add for example a set_bkg.sh ?
[08:53] <fefa2k> I have an issue with /var/log path... I modified the /etc/fstab to store it in RAM so I can avoid writing to hard disk
[08:53] <fefa2k> the problem is that when I boot the device a process can't write to that path
[08:54] <fefa2k> I chmod it to 0777 but evertime I reboot I get the same problem
[08:54] <fefa2k> any workaround possible?
[08:56] <priv> ace_me: I would just change colors in the probfile. I didn't find any command-line way to change gnome terminal colors.
[08:57] <ace_me> thx priv
[09:17] <priv> cat /etc/fstab
[09:17] <priv> sorry
[09:17] <NotLim> wat
[09:19] <solderfumes> sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
[09:19] <solderfumes> sorry, wrong window
[09:20] <priv> fefa2k: why not just assign 0777 in fstab? e.g. tmpfs   /var/log    tmpfs    defaults,noatime,nosuid,mode=0777,size=100m    0 0
[09:25] <jp__> my ubuntu pc doesn't see ethernet connection
[09:26] <jp__> says cable disconnected in settings
[09:26] <jp__> cable is very much connected
[09:29] <SimonNL> jp__: do you have an other computer to check the cable with ?
[09:31] <jp__> yeah, but this is like the 3rd cable...
[09:31] <jp__> This last one is a new, never used before cable
[09:31] <jp__> (high grade9
[09:39] <SimonNL> jp__: tried power cycling the router ?
[09:41] <qwebirc19455> Hello
[09:42] <qwebirc19455> I have a problem which I think doesn't have a solution but still I'm hopeful that somedy knows a way to repair the harm done...
[09:48] <qwebirc19455> Basically I had lots of screenshots on an external drive and my main PC, with Ubuntu, died, so I used my brothers laptop to access to that external drive. Windows had problems opening some folders and it asked to "repair" those errors, to which I stupidly agreed. Now, even using Ubuntu, I can't see any old screenshot or any file that used to had a ":" character on its filename. The folders that used to be full of screenshots h
[09:49] <qwebirc19455> Do you thik there's something I can do to recover those files?
[09:51] <ducasse> !testdisk | qwebirc19455
[09:51] <tomreyn> qwebirc19455: photorec may be able to help there.
[09:52] <tomreyn> your first message was cut off (due to IRC line length limits) after: "The folders that used to be full of screenshots h" << here
[09:53] <qwebirc19455> tomreyn, the folders that used to be full of screenshots have now zero files in them. Do you thik there's something I can do to recover those files? Now they show zero files in them and zero bytes.
[09:55] <tomreyn> the first step in data recovery (after you decided restoring your backups - backups? which backups? - is not an option) is to create an image of the file system you'll try to recover data from.
[09:59] <qwebirc19455> do you recomend testdisk or photorec?
[10:00] <tomreyn> you can then work on a *copy* of this image in read-write mode, trying to fix the file system (but as you since noticed on the data recovery source, such can be destructive, thus you work on a copy). or you work with read-only access, trying to restore files with utilities such as photorec, testdisk, ext3grep, scalpel, scrounge-ntfs, etc.
[10:02] <tomreyn> qwebirc19455: which file system is it anyways? you mentioned accessing it from both ubntu and windows, that reduces the possible suspects but not to a single file system type, yet.
[10:06] <qwebirc19455> tomreyn, it's NTFS
[10:11] <spinningCat> i got this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kKJpjmJPCY/
[10:11] <spinningCat> why is that?
[10:12] <ducasse> qwebirc19455: is this 17.10?
[10:13] <ducasse> spinningCat: ^^
[10:13] <vlt> spinningCat: Why is what?
[10:14] <spinningCat> why i got failures from urls
[10:15] <spinningCat> this is what i asked
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> spinningCat: volunteers asked you a question, please respond if you want help
[10:16] <ducasse> spinningCat: is this on 17.10 as that paste indicates?
[10:16] <spinningCat> yeah it is 17.10
[10:17] <ducasse> 17.10 is eol and no longer supported
[10:17] <ducasse> !artful
[10:18] <spinningCat> so i need to upgrade system to 19.04?
[10:18] <spinningCat> 18.04*
[10:18] <ducasse> at least to 18.04, yes
[10:18] <spinningCat> I see
[10:20] <ducasse> you've been without updates and security fixes for nearly a year
[10:20] <spinningCat> well one of my friend said ubuntu 18.04 is too buggy
[10:21] <mia> Hello all
[10:22] <mia> How can I select a custom solid bg color on ubuntu
[10:22] <mia> I'm using 18.04 if that matters
[10:24] <ducasse> spinningCat: i think a fair amount of people here would disagree with that. on the other hand 17.10 is plain insecure and shouldn't be used
[10:27] <ledeni> mia what DE you using?
[10:31] <tomreyn> qwebirc19455: ask in ##windows and/or use scrounge-ntfs
[10:32] <LuckyMan> mia, go to settings, change background, colors
[10:34] <LuckyMan> spinningCat, upgrade to 19.04, it's the quickest gnome I've seen
[10:37] <ducasse> spinningCat: an lts release might be a better choice if you're concerned with stability and don't want to upgrade every 6-9 months
[10:38] <berat_> understand
[10:43] <fefa2k> hey, the fstab didn't work, the path was still with the same permissions, I finally modified the systemd so it created the log files so the processes could write into it -> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34820#p1313253
[10:44] <priv> (Y)
[10:45] <bryanroderyck> hello is there somebody that can help me please
[10:47] <ducasse> !ask | bryanroderyck
[10:47] <priv> 18.04 IS the most stable version as far as I know. and if you use older non-LTS versions it will be hard to find answers.
[10:48] <priv> (because few are still still using them)
[10:48] <fefa2k> !patience
[10:48] <fefa2k> ¿?
[10:48] <bryanroderyck> hello ducasse , how are you ..im having this python3 internal problem that stop me from urading my system
[10:48] <fefa2k> hah, alright
[10:48] <bryanroderyck> *upgrading
[10:49] <bryanroderyck> https://imgur.com/a/SmZkbAc
[10:50] <bryanroderyck> https://imgur.com/a/mAWy04B
[10:51] <giantonik> hi guys, i have an issue with installation of nvidia-driver. After the setup of my driver, the screen resolution is bad and when i type "lshw -c video" i can't see the row related to configuration of my driver. Any solution?
[11:14] <giantonik> hi guys, i have an issue with installation of nvidia-driver. After the setup of my driver, the screen resolution is bad and when i type "lshw -c video" i can't see the row related to configuration of my driver. Any solution?
[11:19] <r15> hi, Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS installed  strongswan however ipsec start giving error as no known IPsec stack detected, ignoring!
[11:20] <r15> which other module may be required?
[11:20] <r15> seems a bug
[11:21] <r15> i have strongswan 5.6.2-1ubuntu2.4 installed
[11:23] <r15> any idea?
[11:24] <spinningCat> node in ubuntu is really old
[11:39] <bryanroderyck> hello anyone to help me
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:48] <vimar> Hi BluesKaj
[11:48] <BluesKaj> hi vimar
[11:50] <hacktivis> hello
[12:16] <regdude> Hi! If I connect to a SSH server using "bob" and sudo -i, how can I delete "bob"? Is there a way other than logging directly into as root from console or creating a weird cronjob?
[12:19] <yeats> regdude: 1) what do you mean by 'delete "bob"'? 2) it breaks Ubuntu's security model to log in as root and 3) it's bad security practice to allow root login over SSH
[12:23] <hacktivis> hello
[12:24] <hacktivis> hello
[12:24] <hacktivis> anyone can help me
[12:25] <yeats> hacktivis: just ask your question and maybe someone can help
[12:26] <hacktivis> yeats>do you know how to site
[12:26] <solderfumes> yeats: he's been doing this for days, probably a troll
[12:26] <hacktivis> yeats>do you know how to site
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> hacktivis: dont repeat please
[12:27] <hacktivis> y
[12:28] <leftyfb> hacktivis: you were given links to visit yesterday. Stop posting here.
[12:28] <leftyfb> regdude: ssh youruser@hostname.com
[12:30] <hacktivis> lotuspsychje>mean??
[12:30] <hacktivis> leftyfb>mean??
[12:30] <leftyfb> hacktivis: 181/5000
[12:30] <leftyfb> Anda tidak berbicara bahasa Inggris yang cukup bagi kami untuk membantu Anda dengan apa pun yang Anda butuhkan. Silakan buka 2 tautan yang Anda berikan kemarin. Hentikan posting di sini. (Ini diterjemahkan)
[12:30] <yeats> hacktivis: there are ubuntu channels in other languages - you should try another one if English is not your native language
[12:31] <leftyfb> yeats: there is nobody to help in #ubuntu-id
[12:31] <yeats> solderfumes: gotcha :-)
[12:31] <hacktivis> lotuspsychje>you mean??
[12:31] <yeats> looks like the language barrier is too high, even if they aren't a troll
[12:32] <FreeBDSM> hello. Does Ubuntu have a concept of virtual keys?
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> !ops | hacktivis trolling & disturbing for days
[12:32] <leftyfb> hacktivis: Hentikan posting di sini. Tolong pergilah.
[12:33] <hacktivis> leftyfb>maksud kamu apa menyuruh saya pergi
[12:34] <hacktivis> leftyfb>saya hanya ingin tahu caranya merentas
[12:34] <hacktivis> leftyfb>saya ingin menjadi orang orang yang saya idola-kan
[12:34] <leftyfb> hacktivis: Aku sudah katakan kepadamu. Anda tidak berbicara bahasa Inggris yang cukup baik sehingga kami dapat membantu Anda. Kunjungi http://www.ubuntu-id.org/ untuk bantuan. Hentikan posting di sini.
[12:34] <FreeBDSM> in other words, is there a way to know which physical key on the keyboard is being sent?
[12:35] <hacktivis> leftyfb>kok kamu bisa berbahasa indonesia
[12:35] <hacktivis> leftyfb>mana kota asal kamu
[12:35] <ikanobori> FreeBDSM: With `xev`.
[12:35] <stevendale> The expert is here
[12:35] <hacktivis> leftyfb>kok kamu bisa berbahasa indonesia
[12:35] <hacktivis> leftyfb>mana kota asal kamu
[12:36] <leftyfb> hacktivis: Saya menggunakan Google Translate. Sekarang tolong buka tautan yang saya berikan kepada Anda untuk bantuan. Harap berhenti memposting di sini. Selamat tinggal.
[12:36] <yeats> yeah, definitely a troll if google translate is correctly interpreting their responses
[12:36] <hacktivis> leftyfb>apa tauntan nya
[12:36] <stevendale> !language | hacktivis
[12:37] <hacktivis> leftyfb>apa tauntan nya
[12:37] <FreeBDSM> ikanobori: what particularly to look at there? keycode?
[12:37] <stevendale> !offtopic | hacktivis
[12:37] <hacktivis> ubottu>thanks
[12:37] <ikanobori> FreeBDSM: Yes, for X.
[12:38] <ikanobori> FreeBDSM: You can also use showkey which will give you a lower layer of scan/keycodes.
[12:38] <ikanobori> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Keyboard_input#Identifying_scancodes etc.
[12:38] <FreeBDSM> ikanobori: I know of showkey, it is useless in this regard
[12:38] <FreeBDSM> scancodes are keyboard-layout dependent
[12:38] <FreeBDSM> while I need the opposite
[12:38] <ikanobori> Yes, if you're in X you'll be using xev since X has a different notion of keys :)
[12:39] <FreeBDSM> thanks, trying to figure out what it outputs, else apart from 'keycode'
[12:40] <FreeBDSM> there's `keysym`, which seems to change upon switching keyboard layout and using the key with modifiers
[12:43] <FreeBDSM> where to read about 'event_mask'?
[12:43] <FreeBDSM> I mean, xev outputs too much, I want it to ignore cursor movements, window positions, display position, etc
[12:46] <ducasse> FreeBDSM: 'xev -event keyboard'
[12:47] <regdude> yeats: to delete the local user since the same username can be passed by IPA. I meant to login with root using serial console
[12:47] <regdude> but I already found that you can force "userdel -f"
[12:48] <FreeBDSM> thanks, ducasse and ikanobori
[12:49] <FreeBDSM> ikanobori: btw, you said that xev is for X, did I get it right that you meant Xorg, and that it won't work for Wayland?
[12:50] <ikanobori> I am not really good at X-related things! It might work?
[13:04] <ace_me> when I am connected to a vpn it looks that my local hosts defined domains are not workign anymore
[13:04] <ace_me> any ideea why ?
[13:04] <ace_me>  /etc/host.conf and it has the correct order, or so I think: hosts,bind.
[13:05] <FreeBDSM> maybe you used relative (internal) address for them?
[13:05] <FreeBDSM> or maybe those domains are in your LAN
[13:05] <FreeBDSM> solve this problem by adding manual static routes
[13:05] <ace_me> those domains are in my LAN
[13:06] <ace_me> vpn change my IP maybe...
[13:06] <ace_me> did not checked
[13:06] <FreeBDSM> :/
[13:06] <FreeBDSM> that's the whole idea of the VPN...
[13:06] <ace_me> and maybe I need to add extra entries in my hosts file ?
[13:06] <ace_me> "that's the whole idea of the VPN..." :)
[13:09] <ace_me> but on which IP FreeBDSM
[13:12] <tomreyn> ace_me: this sounds like you want to configure your VPN to not route connections to targets on your local LAN (and maybe select other target networks) through the VPN.
[13:13] <ace_me> not sure what are you saying
[13:13] <ace_me> I simply want to develop locally some web site in the time when I am connected to a vpn
[13:14] <ace_me> and if I stop the vpn the website works but if I have the vpn started and start my dockers it does not
[13:17] <ace_me> so is not possible tomreyn ?
[13:18] <tomreyn> this is not an impossible scenario.
[13:19] <tomreyn> nobody will be able to guide you unless you'll provide details, but personally i'm not going to be able to help either way.
[13:19] <tomreyn> ace_me: ^
[13:27] <ace_me>  NOVPN -> docker-compose-up -> https://app.local works
[13:27] <ace_me>  VPN running -> docker-compose-up -> https://app.local does not work
[13:27] <ace_me>  stop the VPN  -> https://app.local does work
[13:27] <ace_me>  stop the VPN  -> docker-compose-up -> https://app.local does work
[13:27] <ace_me> tomreyn ^
[13:32] <FreeBDSM> read about VPN and routes
[13:45] <electricityZZZZ> my 18.04 install is making this clicking sound every couple of seconds. i can mute the audio,... sounds like a system sound. it plays two different sounds, one which clicks "up" and then one which clicks "down"
[13:46] <electricityZZZZ> i cant figure out how to stop it
[13:46] <electricityZZZZ> i rebooted twice and no impact
[13:48] <BrianBlaze> I am not sure where to check for that kind of error
[13:48] <BrianBlaze> maybe yoru syslogs are going crazy
[13:48] <BrianBlaze> but I mean maybe a button is being pushed constantly or something?
[13:48] <electricityZZZZ> no button being pushed
[13:48] <BrianBlaze> like my backspace makes clicking noises
[13:48] <BrianBlaze> when I am at the beginning of the line
[13:49] <BrianBlaze> actually pressing any arrow button as well at the beginning of the line does the click
[13:49] <Elliria> Hey there, does anyone know how long it is between the Ubuntu team saying "Fix released" on a bug and the fix being available via the software updater in Ubuntu?
[13:50] <electricityZZZZ> ah good job it looks like a usb drive was wonky
[13:50] <electricityZZZZ> dmesg for the win
[13:50] <CaptainQuirk> Hi there ! Has anyone had an issue with tmux prompting for sudo in the gnome terminal or xterm for that matter
[13:50] <CaptainQuirk> just keep on happening to me for an hour or so
[13:51] <yeats> Elliria: software versioning in Ubuntu is pretty static throughout the release (unless you add a PPA or are using snaps), so it might be in the next version of Ubuntu, depending on the nature of the fix
[13:51] <Elliria> So, if I'm using the latest LTS and a fix just got released, it might not make it into even that release, yeats?
[13:51] <yeats> Elliria: also sometimes useful to look for workarounds in the bug comments that you might be able to patch in yourself
[13:52] <Elliria> Yeah, I'm not a fan of workarounds unless absolutely necessary.
[13:52] <yeats> Elliria: without knowing the specifics, it could be faster, but LTS releases especially are more conservative about keeping everything static version-wise
[13:52] <Elliria> Is this the kind of bug that won't get a fix in the LTS and for which I'd need to run the latest Ubuntu rather than the LTS? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/taskcoach/+bug/1769701
[13:54] <Elliria> The problem is that the Ubuntu team put a completely non-functioning version of Task Coach into the LTS and the update to that bug is the fix.
[13:54] <yeats> Elliria: in that case, it's an upstream bug that was fixed in Debian
[13:54] <Elliria> Will Ubuntu be updating it in the LTS?
[13:54] <yeats> Elliria: what does 'dpkg -l | grep taskcoach' output?
[13:56] <Elliria> 1.4.3-6
[13:56] <yeats> ok - looks like the fix is in 1.4.4 according to comments
[13:57] <Elliria> Is there a way to find out whether 1.4.4 will be added to the LTS and, if so, when?
[13:57] <yeats> and 1.4.4 is in ubuntu disco
[13:57] <yeats> Elliria: I can pretty much guarantee it won't be added to the 18.04 repos
[13:58] <Elliria> That's kind of mean considering it's completely unusable in the LTS.
[13:58] <ducasse> Elliria: some fixes are backported, and certain packages get a version bump (called !sru)
[13:58] <Elliria> Is there any chance they'll be doing that with Task Coach, ducasse?
[13:59] <yeats> Elliria: it happens :-/  fwiw, it affects Debian and all derivatives, so not just Ubuntu
[13:59] <Elliria> I've put off my upgrade because of this and would like to finally do it. I'm not a fan of frequently updating, so I'd rather not use the non-LTS.
[13:59] <ducasse> Elliria: you would need to ask in the bug report, link to the fix
[13:59] <Elliria> Yeah, I saw that. Very sad.
[13:59] <Elliria> Okay, will do. Thanks.
[13:59] <ducasse> !sru | Elliria
[14:00] <ducasse> read that first ^^
[14:00] <yeats> Elliria: upstream bug report is here: https://sourceforge.net/p/taskcoach/bugs/1593/
[14:02] <yeats> Elliria: if you're comfortable attempting installing non-Ubuntu debs, there is a deb package available at https://sourceforge.net/projects/taskcoach/files/taskcoach/Release-1.4.4/
[14:03] <yeats> Elliria: if it's something you really depend on, that would potentially solve the problem so you can move on with your life :-)
[14:03] <Elliria> I'm not a fan of that. I'm pretty sure they offer a PPA and I may go that way, but I'd rather just have it available straight up from the package manager without any additional fiddling. It's in the package manager by default, so my opinion is that it should be available in working order.
[14:04] <Elliria> I know I'm kind of grumbly about this, but this is a pretty vital program for me and there are very few alternatives to it, none of which do everything it does.
[14:04] <yeats> Elliria: if it weren't being offered on the official project page, I wouldn't even recommend it as a possiblity, fwiw
[14:05] <yeats> I didn't see a PPA on the launchpad page, so I don't know about that
[14:05] <yeats> and PPAs are not necessarily reliable
[14:05] <Elliria> Ah, thanks. That's good to know, at least. I'm not yet sure what I'll do, but I need to decide and upgrade either way.
[14:06] <Elliria> I agree. I prefer just using the package manager as it sits by default whenever possible.
[14:06] <yeats> Elliria: understood - hope you can figure out a good way around the problem
[14:07] <yeats> one of the strengths of LTS is the stability and slowness to upgrade to new releases is a double-edged sword
[14:07] <Elliria> I suppose so. Darned if you do, darned if you don't.
[14:21] <dakar> i want to manage resolv.conf with resolvconf instead of systemd-resolved. how do i about about changing the behaviour?
[14:21] <rembocake> Holla
[14:22] <rembocake> I'm from indonesia
[14:24] <rembocake> ngentod
[14:25] <irrgit> Why is bash completion for systemctl so slow and what can I do to improve it? Even in cases when I have typed a unique prefix for a pattern which only a single file exists to begin with.
[14:26] <pragmaticenigma> irrgit: that'd be a question you would have to send to the developers of systemd and the systemctl project
[14:28] <irrgit> But its on ubuntu, ive tried it on centos7 and although its not as fast, its much faster than 18.04
[14:30] <lordcirth_> irrgit, diff the bash-completion files?
[14:30] <irrgit> Hmm, although i see its not a fair test since on my centos i have 385 services and on ubuntu i have 565
[14:31] <irrgit> I guess the amount of services slows it down considerably
[14:32] <irrgit> Hmm, looking at this -> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/7185 , "Reason: Completion routines calls systemctl as times as many systemd units exist."
[14:33] <lordcirth_> Yeah, that would do it :P
[14:43] <him-cesjf> Hi, would like some help with using powertop. I am getting modprobe cpufreq_stats failed error and 'Devfreq not enabled' and GLOB_ABORTED error
[14:44] <lordcirth_> !paste | him-cesjf can you paste the exact error please?
[14:45] <avih> hi, is is normal that `apt update` mostly downloads 90M just to check for updates? here are the sources it checks: https://0x0.st/zTDO.txt
[14:46] <avih> this system was initially installed as 14.04 LTS iirc, and kept to LTS releases since
[14:47] <cfhowlett> you are aware that 14.04 is dead and end of life, right?
[14:47] <OerHeks> avih, yes, looks not unreasonable, as you have added i386 arch
[14:47] <compdoc> depends on what stuff you have installed
[14:47] <avih> and is there some was to reduce the sources it checks? e.g. i _think_ i once installed multilib for the i386, but i don't need it anymore, how do i (list and) remove everything i installed from it?
[14:47] <avih> way*
[14:48] <him-cesjf> lordcirth_: https://pastebin.com/3rtFzeqw
[14:48] <OerHeks> adding i386 arch is easy, removing it, is interesting
[14:48] <avih> compdoc: it's now 18.04. as i said, i keep it updated. just stating that it's not a new system.
[14:48] <avih> cfhowlett: ^ sorry
[14:49] <BrianBlaze> avih, something like this https://tecadmin.net/exclude-packages-from-apt-upgrade/
[14:49] <cfhowlett> I missed that detail.  cool.
[14:49] <lordcirth_> him-cesjf, run "sudo modprobe cpufreq_stats" and pastebin
[14:49] <imanuel> helo
[14:49] <avih> OerHeks: but even if i remove the i386 thingies, it would still be 40+M... i think it used to be much less, and i didn't add sources for ages
[14:49] <lordcirth_> imanuel, hi
[14:49] <OerHeks> apt-mark is not a good suggestion, to reduce updates
[14:50] <OerHeks> avih,  reinstall, is the fastest way to reduce updates.
[14:50] <dakar> i want to manage resolv.conf with resolvconf instead of systemd-resolved. how do i about about changing the behaviour?
[14:50] <OerHeks> .. and what is 90 mb in lists these days ..
[14:50] <avih> OerHeks: yeah, well, i really prefer not to reinstall. i use it and it has a lot of things which would take much time to setup
[14:51] <OerHeks> dakar, "instead of systemd-resolved" ? explain why?
[14:51] <him-cesjf> lordcirth_: modprobe: FATAL: Module cpufreq_stats not found in directory /lib/modules/4.15.0-46-generic
[14:52] <dakar> OerHeks because resolvconf wont work with systemd-resolved, and because it's a docker container that has a single purpose.
[14:52] <dakar> ... that doesnt need systemd-resolved.
[14:53] <avih> OerHeks: 90M is not much, but get it every time i check for updates is both slow and adds up quickly. and i'm not asking to make it less. i'm asking if that's how it is these days for most people (even if i remove the i386 stuff, i'm still left with 55M, according to that list)
[14:54] <avih> iirc it used to be much quicker. i think before 18.04. does 18.04 downloads considerably more than 16.04?
[14:54] <OerHeks> avih, other than changing to a faster mirror, i have no answer
[14:55] <avih> OerHeks: so that's how it is for most people (sans the i286, and possibly with a fast mirror)?
[14:55] <avih> 3*
[14:55] <lordcirth_> avih, 18.04 is not much bigger than 16.04
[14:56] <OerHeks> get used to it?
[14:58] <avih> OerHeks: i can live with it just fine. i'm asking if anything stands out in that list (other than i386) which regularly shouldn't be there and would make it considerably less to download.
[14:58] <lordcirth_> avih, if you have multiple 18.04 machines, consider installing squid-deb-proxy
[14:58] <OerHeks> avih, nope, i see no unusual repos, besides i386 ..
[14:58] <avih> guys, you tell me ways to speed it up. that's not what i'm asking. i'm asking if it's normal to download so much while checking for updates.
[14:59] <avih> s/so much/90M/
[14:59] <avih> OerHeks: thanks.
[15:00] <avih> OerHeks: would you mind sharing your log of apt update?
[15:01] <avih> (from the terminal, like i just posted)
[15:23] <yuradoc> hey guys - i'm stuck with iptables
[15:23] <yuradoc> i use mitmproxy for analizing local traffic
[15:23] <yuradoc> i use mitmproxy for analizing local traffic
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> yuradoc: try the ##netfilter channel for firewall issues
[15:24] <yuradoc> wow - thanks for suggestion
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> yuradoc: unless you presume its ubuntu related?
[15:24] <[rg]> on a blank drive, what is required by ubuntu?
[15:25] <cfhowlett> [rg]/ what?
[15:25] <[rg]>  /boot/efi doesnt get made
[15:25] <[rg]> i dont know why or how to fix
[15:25] <[rg]> i dont even understand bootloaders either tbh
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> [rg]: start from the beginning, what are you trying to do?
[15:26] <[rg]> install ubuntu to my wiped drive
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> [rg]: singleboot? dualboot? ubuntu version?
[15:27] <[rg]> lastest stable release/lts single boot
[15:28] <leftyfb> [rg]: if you machine boots without a /boot/efi, then you don't need it
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> [rg]: disable fastboot & secureboot and install ubuntu from usb
[15:28] <ayekat> is it actually an EFI machine? because for older/legacy/BIOS machines, there is no /boot/efi
[15:29] <[rg]> yeah its efi
[15:29] <[rg]> sercureboot already disabled
[15:29] <leftyfb> [rg]: does Ubuntu boot?
[15:29] <[rg]> yeah
[15:29] <leftyfb> [rg]: then what is the issue?
[15:30] <[rg]> atfer its done, goes to fall back efi
[15:30] <leftyfb> [rg]: huh?
[15:30] <[rg]> when I check the root from grub its empty
[15:30] <leftyfb> [rg]: if your Ubuntu boots, then there is no issue. Use ubuntu. don't worry about what is or isn't in /boot
[15:31] <[rg]> ubuntu only boots from the livemedia
[15:32] <[rg]> not on my harddisk
[15:32] <ayekat> [rg]: in the live system, what does `efibootmgr` give you?
[15:32] <firemrjf> hello guys
[15:33] <[rg]> ayekat: nothing
[15:33] <ayekat> [rg]: no errors? no output at all?
[15:34] <[rg]> yeah
[15:34] <firemrjf> fuckkk
[15:34] <firemrjf> how?!
[15:34] <ikonia> firemrjf: no bad langauge please
[15:34] <cfhowlett> firemrjf/ this is a family friendly channel.  stop the profanity.
[15:34] <mobster> anyone know how i can get discord on a pi working? the website just hangs and dies :L
[15:34] <firemrjf> sorry for bad language
[15:35] <ayekat> [rg]: alright, that's rather strange - it should either error out complaining about not being able to see EFI variables, or it should list some boot manager info
[15:36] <[rg]> yeah its odd, i will try oem install later
[15:36] <mobster> so i'm taking that as a no?
[15:36] <leftyfb> firemrjf: what can we help you with?
[15:36] <firemrjf> nothing bro
[15:36] <leftyfb> mobster: What version of ubuntu are you running?
[15:36] <mobster> uh
[15:37] <mobster> not sure, let me check
[15:37] <leftyfb> mobster: if it's a website. then there's not really anything Ubuntu-specific
[15:37] <mobster> yeah but i'm just wondering if it'll work since i'm doubting many websites will actually load and succeed
[15:37] <leftyfb> mobster: Not an ubuntu support question
[15:38] <mobster> aight fair enough
[15:38] <mobster> are there any like talky channels? kinda new to this :p
[15:39] <MonkeyDust> mobster: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:41] <mobster> ok this might sound like a really stupid question but those aren't people's IPs are they?
[15:41] <f-u-c-k-e-r> hello
[15:41] <MonkeyDust> mobster: you can hide your IP if you like
[15:41] <MonkeyDust> cloak
[15:41] <f-u-c-k-e-r> j
[15:41] <f-u-c-k-e-r> hey
[15:41] <mobster> F
[15:42] <mobster> how do i cloak?
[15:42] <mobster> or whatever you said
[15:42] <leftyfb> mobster: ask these questions in #freenode
[15:42] <MonkeyDust> msg ubottu cloak
[15:42] <mobster> yeah that's my other issue i can't switch channels
[15:42] <MonkeyDust> !cloak
[15:42] <leftyfb> mobster: type: /join #freenode
[15:53] <praneeth_> Is anyone online?
[15:54] <OerHeks> nope, anyone is gone, with everybody
[15:54] <OerHeks> hi praneeth_
[15:54] <ikonia> many people
[15:54] <praneeth_>  Is there any method to run a command which needs root access without giving password? I can give password in .sh file itself.
[15:55] <MonkeyDust> praneeth_: you can use visudo
[15:56] <ikonia> praneeth_: you'd be better setting nopasswd for that specific command
[15:56] <ikonia> than putting a password in the script
[15:56] <ayekat> also maybe explain us what you're actually trying to do
[15:56] <ayekat> because that sounds like an XY problem
[15:57] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers
[15:57] <praneeth_> ikonika: For example, I want to make a .sh file which has a command like "sudo apt update"
[15:57] <OerHeks> why does a not-sudoers user need to update ?
[15:58] <ayekat> and why not just run the script itself as root? if it does system administration stuff...
[15:59] <praneeth_> ayekat: I don't want to run it as a root for instance.
[15:59] <ayekat> praneeth_: why not? what else does the script do?
[16:00] <MonkeyDust> praneeth_: start from the beginning, what are you doing or trying
[16:01] <praneeth_> MonkeyDust: and ayekat: I want to run a python code which needs root access using a .sh file
[16:04] <EriC^^> *pukes in mouth a little*
[16:05] <jeff_j> Providing root access to a script that you have written is totally safe?
[16:05] <ayekat> praneeth_: and what does the python code do and why does it need root access running an .sh file?
[16:05] <praneeth_> jeff_j: It is safe.
[16:06] <jeff_j> praneeth_ yes I know, I was saying to the others, that since you know what is in the script (you wrote it), providing it root access is not a bad idea
[16:06] <praneeth_> ayekat: I have to automate a daily process. A package used in that code needs root access.
[16:07] <ayekat> praneeth_: what do you mean with "a package"? a program? a python package?
[16:08] <praneeth_> ayekat: It is a python package.
[16:08] <ayekat> it's difficult to help you, because so far you've just described your current attempt at solving the problem, but not the problem itself
[16:09] <ayekat> praneeth_: so what does that package do?
[16:09] <praneeth_> ayekat: My problem is I need to run a python code at startup of my PC to automate a process. That code needs root access to work.
[16:10] <ayekat> praneeth_: so can't you just start your python script with a systemd service at boot?
[16:10] <praneeth_> ayekat: That code opens a web browser and enters username and password necessary for internet access.
[16:10] <ayekat> (also just let everything run as root, because so far I just know it does sysadmin stuff)
[16:10] <ayekat> oh, ouch - ok
[16:10] <ayekat> but then why does it need root?
[16:12] <praneeth_> ayekat: It is a Python package called Selenium. It is giving an error if I execute it without root access.
[16:13] <praneeth_> ayekat: Do you work using Python
[16:13] <ayekat> praneeth_: no, but I assume it interacts with the webbrowser using some remote procedure calls
[16:13] <ayekat> it seems odd that it would require root permissions to do that (unless the webbrowser runs as another user)
[16:13] <Guest5235> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/artful/ 404 ???
[16:14] <praneeth_> ayekat: Okay. I understand I will use other package.
[16:14] <praneeth_> ayekat: Bye.
[16:15] <Guest5235> any reason why the apt packages for Artful are offline?
[16:15] <ayekat> praneeth_: I'm not saying that selenium is not the right tool - but what exactly is the error message? why *does* it fail if it doesn't have root in your case?
[16:16] <ayekat> (I feel like we're now slowly approaching an accurate description actual issue, the "X" problem - selenium failing if it doesn't run as root)
[16:16] <praneeth_> ayekat: It shows error PermissionError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/webbot/drivers/chrome_linux'
[16:17] <Guest5235> :O  its end-of-life.  sorry for the bother
[16:17] <MonkeyDust> Guest5235: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[16:17] <ayekat> praneeth_: there's multiple issues there... why is that python package in /usr/local? how did you install it?
[16:17] <MonkeyDust> !artful
[16:18] <Guest5235> MonkeyDust ubottu i'm using the docker image and its still pointing to archive.ubuntu.com
[16:18] <MonkeyDust> Guest5235: ok, now you know where to look instead
[16:18] <Guest5235> $ docker run -it ubuntu:17.10 bash
[16:19] <Guest5235> !artful
[16:19] <Guest5235> oh :)
[16:19] <ayekat> praneeth_: also, when exactly does this happen? what function call are you making when this happens? have you tried to create a minimal code example that causes that error?
[16:20] <praneeth_> ayekat: Let us leave it. I can go with alternative solutions.
[16:20] <ayekat> praneeth_: as you wish
[16:21] <ayekat> but I would still urge you to try and fix your system there - that looks seriously messy
[16:24] <praneeth_> ayekat: What do you mean? It is working smoothly.
[16:24] <ayekat> perhaps - but there's stuff installed in /usr/local that likely interferes with distribution packages
[16:25] <Flux_> Hello
[16:25] <Flux_> g
[16:25] <Flux_> grgrgre gergergerg
[16:26] <ayekat> then again I've only tipped my toe into python waters so far, so perhaps python can handle that just fine
[17:26] <Dbugger> Does anybody know how could I do it, so that my system uses a VPN *ONLY* with determinates domains?
[17:27] <mike802> you dont' know what a vpn is, do you
[17:27] <mike802> vpn stands for "virtual private network"
[17:27] <Dbugger> Yeah, I know... I was hoping there is some trick to making it possible :/
[17:28] <mike802> there are TWO parts to a vpn, and ONLY two parts
[17:28] <teward> Dbugger: you'd need a form of dynamic routing changes whrere you can define what traffic flows through which gateway (either VPN or local default gateway).  I know of no dynamic system that works Out Of The Box on Ubuntu that does this, and the systems I do use are home-grown and custom-written by me.
[17:28] <mike802> 1. the vpn client
[17:28] <compdoc> Dbugger, you want to route only certain traffic over the vpn
[17:28] <mike802> 2. the network the client is connecting to
[17:28] <mike802> that's it
[17:29] <teward> mike802: that's irrelevant to the question.  VPN client and Network are both 'up' by the client, beyond that it's system routing rules that state how traffic flows "out" to the WOrld at large
[17:29] <teward> Dbugger: it'll be custom routing rules based on destination IPs.
[17:29] <teward> which can get VERY complex to maintain fast.
[17:29] <Dbugger> :/
[17:29] <Dbugger> My problem is: I have to connect to a VPN to communicate with the DB in my office, but this VPN blocks me of every other single website in the world :P
[17:30] <mike802> are you suggesting your packets are literally routed through the remote network?
[17:30] <quality> Hello, it seems that lxc installed from aptitude lacks capability of CAP_SETUID and CAP_SETGID as it failed with `lxc-create: httpd: conf.c: chown_mapped_root: 3113 lxc-usernsexec failed: lxc 20190510172836.357 ERROR    lxc_conf - conf.c:write_id_mapping:2707 - Operation not permitted - Failed to write uid mapping to "/proc/14644/uid_map"`
[17:30] <compdoc> Dbugger, sounds like it resets your gateway to the vpn
[17:31] <compdoc> you need to leave the gateway alone
[17:31] <Dbugger> compdoc, any idea how to do that?
[17:31] <rbanffy> Hi folks. Besides Konsole and Gnome Terminal, do we know of any other terminal emulators that support overline attributes?
[17:31] <quality> Where I tried to run `lxc-create -t download -n httpd -- -d ubuntu -r trusty -a amd64`.
[17:31] <compdoc> settings
[17:31] <lordcirth_> Dbugger, if you leave your default gateway, and make a route that sends traffic on the DB
[17:31] <lordcirth_> *'s subnet over the VPN, that would work
[17:32] <Dbugger> lordcirth_, not sure how that is done... Im not to network-savvy
[17:32] <mike802> that's no such thing as "virtualized routing"
[17:32] <mike802> please stop whatever you're doing now
[17:32] <Dbugger> who, me?
[17:33] <mike802> yes, my sexual assaulter is hacking me again AND posting about it to the channel
[17:33] <Dbugger> ????
[17:33] <mike802> he sexually assaults me daily now in ways i can not defend against
[17:33] <lordcirth_> mike802, what?
[17:34] <Dbugger> apparently someone is hacking him, and at the same time being assaulted
[17:34] <Dbugger> That is some hacking skills...
[17:34] <lordcirth_> mike802, perhaps you should call the cops then?
[17:35] <mike802> i have, cops require something called "evidence"
[17:35] <lordcirth_> Dbugger, what VPN client are you using?
[17:35] <mike802> which i do not have
[17:35] <lordcirth_> mike802, well I'm not sure how asking here is going to help with that.
[17:35] <Dbugger> lordcirth_, not sure what you mean with VPN client. I am using the VPN setting in Ubuntu
[17:36] <lordcirth_> Dbugger, ok, so that uses OpenVPN under the hood
[17:36] <rbanffy> mike802, if your assailant is posting things to this channel, these things are recorded and preserved.
[17:37] <backbox> new here......
[17:37] <mike802> neat
[17:37] <mike802> lets call it "substantial evidence"
[17:37] <lordcirth_> Dbugger, I'm starting up a VM so I can look at the same menu
[17:38] <Dbugger> lordcirth_, thanks
[17:38] <Dbugger> Im in 18.04, btw
[17:42] <dcarmich> When I try to run classically-confined snaps on a Salt-managed Linux system as a user, I get the error: "cannot create user data directory: /Users/username/snap/(name of snap)/version: not a directory". However, when I install them on a stock Ubuntu 18.04 VM, they run just fine as a user. Is there a specific security setting I should look for that is causing this issue?
[17:43] <dcarmich> (/Users is a symbolic link to /home).
[17:45] <hggdh> dcarmich: probably better to ask in #snappy
[17:46] <dcarmich> Thanks!
[17:51] <quality> Hello, it seems that lxc installed from aptitude lacks capability of CAP_SETUID and CAP_SETGID as it failed with `lxc-create: httpd: conf.c: chown_mapped_root: 3113 lxc-usernsexec failed: lxc 20190510172836.357 ERROR    lxc_conf - conf.c:write_id_mapping:2707 - Operation not permitted - Failed to write uid mapping to "/proc/14644/uid_map"`
[17:51] <quality> Where I tried to run `lxc-create -t download -n httpd -- -d ubuntu -r trusty -a amd64`.
[17:52] <tomreyn> !trusty
[17:57] <quality> tomreyn: Same result when I was trying to run `lxc-create -t download -n u1 -- -d ubuntu -r bionic -a amd64`
[17:57] <tomreyn> quality: what'S the main system running?
[17:58] <tomreyn> nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";)
[17:58] <quality> tomreyn: 18.04.1 LTS (Bionic Beaver)
[17:58] <tomreyn> see if this happens on a fully patches 18.04
[17:58] <analogical> what is the terminal command for creating a directory?
[17:58] <tomreyn> *patcheD
[17:59] <tomreyn> analogical: did you try a web search on this?
[17:59] <quality> tomreyn: aptitude upgrade says nothing to upgrade
[17:59] <tomreyn> !aptitude | quality
[17:59] <analogical> tomreyn, if you know the answer why don't you just tell me?
[18:00] <quality> tomreyn: apt upgrade said something same
[18:00] <quality> tomreyn: nothing to upgrade
[18:00] <tomreyn> quality: can you post the url returned by this:  sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -qqy update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[18:00] <analogical> what is the terminal command for creating a directory??
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> analogical: this is ubuntu support, please focus on ubuntu related questions
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> !manual | analogical
[18:01] <analogical> lotuspsychje, I'm using the ubuntu termnial
[18:01] <WilkinsMicawber> hey
[18:02] <tomreyn> analogical: you see, for really simple things web searches usually just work fine, if you can phrase it well. you phrased the question fine here, so why engage a human when you can just ask a machine?
[18:02] <analogical> jesus christ! ofc I've google it before I asked you!
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> welcome WilkinsMicawber
[18:03] <tomreyn> analogical: i'm surprised you did not find out about "mkdir" this way. do you remember what youi were searching?
[18:04] <WilkinsMicawber> if I install another ubuntu installation on another hard drive will it be easy to select between ubuntu installations in grub3?
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> WilkinsMicawber: if you dualboot, grub2 can manage your different (os) installs
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> WilkinsMicawber: the ubuntu setup, will normally also ask what you want to do, and detect your already installed Os
[18:08] <WilkinsMicawber> ic ic. I would have figured as much, but i've had so much bad luck with linux it's insane.
[18:08] <WilkinsMicawber> ty
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> WilkinsMicawber: is there a reason you want a second ubuntu install next your existing?
[18:09] <WilkinsMicawber> i have Cudnn and tensorflow installed on this one
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> WilkinsMicawber: cant you work with several users on 1 ubuntu?
[18:10] <WilkinsMicawber> i want to try getting cudnn 10 without ruining what i set up on this install
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[18:10] <WilkinsMicawber> it took me a full day to get cudnn installed last time. It was a nightmare
[18:16] <quality> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/6hze
[18:18] <tomreyn> quality: something must have failed with the copy pasta
[18:19] <quality> tomreyn: but how was it related to the user_namespaces capability issues?
[18:20] <tomreyn> quality: your system reports it is ubuntu 18.04.1, and you say no upgrades are available. however, ubuntu 18.04 is at 18.04.2 currently.
[18:21] <quality> tomreyn: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:21] <quality> tomreyn: said by `apt upgrade`
[18:21] <tomreyn> quality: so something is wrong with your apt configuration, meaning you don't get bug fixes. it's possible that whatever caused the lxd issue has long been fixed on ubuntu 18.04.2
[18:21] <quality> tomreyn: No, i'm not using lxd
[18:21] <quality> tomreyn: only lxc and lxc-utils are installed
[18:22] <tomreyn> okay, either way, it's possible that it's a bug which has since been fixed
[18:22] <tomreyn> but your system is not up to date.
[18:23] <quality> tomreyn: here comes my /etc/apt/sources.list https://termbin.com/xmjn
[18:24] <lordcirth_> Dbugger, hey, I got it installed. When you went to add the VPN, did you choose PPTP or something else?
[18:24] <tomreyn> quality: i'd like to see the output of    ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported
[18:24] <tomreyn> quality: can you actually copy and paste from and to the system you'Re trying to fix?
[18:25] <Dbugger> lordcirth_, I cant recall
[18:25] <quality> tomreyn: ubuntu-support-status command not found, which package should I install?
[18:25] <tomreyn> quality: this command is installed by default on ubuntu
[18:26] <tomreyn> now what do you really run there?
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> quality: are you on vanilla ubuntu or a derivative?
[18:26] <quality> lotuspsychje: what do you mean vanilla ubuntu?
[18:26] <lordcirth_> Dbugger, ok, well if you go to your network settings for your VPN, under the IPv4 tab, there is a checkbox. "Use this connection only for resources on its network"
[18:27] <quality> tomreyn: but still command not found
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> quality: is it a default ubuntu, or another distro based on ubuntu?
[18:27] <Dbugger> lordcirth_, correct
[18:27] <tomreyn> quality: let's start from the beginning again: please copy and paste this to the system you are trying to fix, then run it there, then post the http address it returns here:
[18:27] <tomreyn> quality:   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";)
[18:28] <lordcirth_> Dbugger, so, turning that on *should* do what you want?
[18:28] <Dbugger> lordcirth_, just that??
[18:28] <quality> tomreyn: I'm trying to fix a cluster and only one node have internet access
[18:28] <lordcirth_> Dbugger, that's what it claims
[18:28] <Dbugger> lets see...
[18:28] <quality> tomreyn: but they share the same root
[18:29] <quality> tomreyn: as all cluster nodes are diskless
[18:29] <tomreyn> quality: then run it on one of the codes only, the one with internet access. also tell us what kind iof a cluster that is.
[18:29] <quality> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/ri1j
[18:30] <Dbugger> lordcirth_, well... yeah.. that was it
[18:30] <Dbugger> -_-
[18:30] <lordcirth_> Dbugger, excellent.
[18:30] <Dbugger> i feel quite dumb now :P
[18:30] <tomreyn> quality: maybe your firewall is blocking outbound connections to the internet for these systems, preventing system updates?
[18:31] <quality> tomreyn: they shares a nfs mounted root, if one get update, all those node will get update
[18:32] <tomreyn> quality: okay, but they don't get updates, and you'll need to work out why that is, since we can only support systems with a current patch level and kernel version, both of which yours doesn't have.
[18:33] <quality> tomreyn: So I need to reimage the root partition to latest?
[18:33] <tomreyn> quality: do whatever you need to do bring this system (kernel and userspace) up to date.
[18:34] <tomreyn> then come back and ask your lxc question again in case it still applies then.
[18:47] <forgotmynick> hello. i have a server used as a proxy. i've created a "jailed" account but anytime the client tries to visit a website address, i get an error: sshd[1055]: error: connect_to google.com: unknown host (Device or resource busy). i can access any website that works through IP addresses. I can access any website if i disable remote dns on the client. I can access any website if I use a non-jailed account. Can someone please
[18:47] <forgotmynick> tell me how to fix this?
[18:48] <lordcirth_> forgotmynick, what Ubuntu version? What proxy software? And how did you create this "jailed" account?
[18:49] <forgotmynick> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS, by following the guides from here https://allanfeid.com/content/creating-chroot-jail-ssh-access and https://www.tecmint.com/restrict-ssh-user-to-directory-using-chrooted-jail/
[18:50] <lordcirth_> forgotmynick, and what kind of proxy? What is this jailed user supposed to be able to do?
[18:51] <lordcirth_> Specifically, why not use an unprivileged LXC container?
[19:22] <forgotmynick> pardon me. i use putty on the client to create a dynamic proxy using the server. the jailed user shouldn't be able to do anything except use the proxy. the containers looked far more complicated. i've followed this method on a number of servers but it's only ever failed with this. it might be less hassle just to install 16.xx :(
[19:23] <chryskylodon> hi
[19:24] <vimar> Hi chryskylodon
[19:24] <lordcirth_> forgotmynick, ok, so the user exists only so that they can connect via ssh and create a tunnel?
[19:26] <beerstein> hello
[19:27] <lordcirth_> beerstein, hi
[19:27] <JohnGavr> hi beerstein
[19:27] <beerstein> how are you?
[19:27] <forgotmynick> lordcirth_: yes that's right, only to connect via ssh and tunnel
[19:28] <lordcirth_> forgotmynick, ok, so my guess is that systemd-resolved requires something that you didn't put in your chroot
[19:29] <lordcirth_> forgotmynick, can you get a shell as your chroot'd user? Try running 'systemd-resolve --status'
[19:29] <beerstein> i guest yes
[19:30] <lordcirth_> beerstein, do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[19:30] <beerstein> yes
[19:30] <beerstein> is stacer a good program'
[19:30] <beerstein> '
[19:30] <beerstein> ?
[19:31] <beerstein> for cleaning temp file
[19:31] <leftyfb> beerstein: please join #ubuntu-offtopic for opinions on software
[19:31] <beerstein> ok sorry
[19:32] <OerHeks> beerstein, i use it, but not for cleaning. it is not in our repos, AFAIK
[19:32] <sappheiros> Is it bad to try arguments for a command to see if they work? falkon's man page is basically empty of explanation, so i tried 'falkon -search 'strnig to search'' and I got David Rosca's email and falkon didn't load
[19:32] <sappheiros> unexpected behavior, so i wonder if it's bad in general to try such learning attempts
[19:33] <leftyfb> sappheiros: try falkin --help  # or lookup it's documentation
[19:34] <lordcirth_> sappheiros, generally use 'man' or --help. The safety of trying things varies by the command.
[19:35] <sappheiros> gotcha, thanks.
[19:35] <sappheiros> is it possible to map a command that seem innocent like 'falkon' to something like 'rm'?
[19:36] <sappheiros> i'm familiar with macOS's "sandbox" idea so applications can only mess up themselves, not other computer parts, without root access
[19:39] <lordcirth_> sappheiros, you could make whatever aliases you want, yes. But anyone with the permission to do so has the permissions to do a lot of more direct things.
[19:40] <sappheiros> lordcirth_: more specifically, i'm wondering if someone can put something in the muon package manager that claims to be a game or web browser but actually if you run it erases files
[19:40] <sappheiros> what safeguards are there against that?
[19:41] <lordcirth_> sappheiros, assuming you didn't add third-party repos, all apt packages are vetted carefully. snap packages probably have a different process but should also be safe.
[19:42] <sappheiros> well, i had tried to add something to install brave, before i discovered there was no brave for i386
[19:42] <sappheiros> (brave web browser)
[19:43] <pumpkinz> can anyone else take a second look at this udev rule that I can't get to trigger? http://dpaste.com/3440DVY
[19:47] <OerHeks> pumpkinz, what should that do. is the linux driver from brother itself not working
[19:47] <OerHeks> ?
[19:48] <pumpkinz> OerHeks, It changes group permissions when the printer is plugged in.
[19:49] <OerHeks> is lpadmin ( standard) not enough?
[19:50] <pumpkinz> OerHeks, it doesn't set as lp it sets as usb.
[19:50] <pumpkinz> It should even matter what it does udev should be able to handle this.
[19:50] <gambl0re> if i switch from kubuntu to lubuntu will i be able to get longer battery life?
[19:51] <hggdh> gambl0re: lubuntu is less resource-hungry. So yes, you should get less power usage. YMMV
[19:52] <gambl0re> im getting 5hrs using kubuntu on lenovo t480s
[19:52] <gambl0re> thats horrible in my opinion. is kubuntu known to consume a lot of resources?
[20:02] <blammo> i'm using the cloud ubuntu ami in ec2.  the default user ubuntu has sudo without password.  but i have a script that is doing a "sudo -g staff" and it is prompting for a password.  any idea how to configure this part?
[20:02]  * extor wonders if the current ubuntu installs are truely multilib since finding out that another distro does not work with android studio because it was not multilib/multiarch and only available in pure 64 bit or pure 32 bit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:05] <Darkelarious> ok, let's see, where to start
[20:06] <Darkelarious> I was running ubuntu 14.04 together with windows 7. I have an older AMD tahiti card, hence fglrx on ubuntu 14.04.
[20:06] <pumpkinz> blammo, according to man sudo it looks like -i might be what you're looking for.
[20:06] <pumpkinz> blammo, could be wrong I am taking a stab in the dark.
[20:07] <leftyfb> Darkelarious: Ubuntu 14.04 is no longer under basic support
[20:07] <blammo> pumpkinz: -i didn't help
[20:07] <Darkelarious> win7 seems to be running in uefi mode, so I installed ubuntu 18.04 lts in uefi mode too
[20:07] <Darkelarious> but now I lost my network devices in both windows and ubuntu
[20:08] <LORENZO> hola
[20:08] <Darkelarious> i think i troubleshooted virtually every uefi/secure boot thread I could find, but I can not get my network devices back
[20:08] <LORENZO>  hola
[20:08] <leftyfb> Darkelarious: what makes you think you don't have network devices?
[20:08] <leftyfb> !es | LORENZO
[20:09] <Darkelarious> win7 doesn't show any adapters, neither does ubuntu, no device in `ip addr` other than lo
[20:09] <Darkelarious> usb-to-gigE adapter seems to work for now
[20:10] <leftyfb> Darkelarious: if neither OS's are detecting your hardware, then your issue is probably your hardware.
[20:10] <leftyfb> Darkelarious: ls -l /sys/class/net/  # anything in there? # or lspci
[20:10] <Darkelarious> eth0 --> usb adapter
[20:11] <Darkelarious> but a network card that breaks at the moment I reboot after installing? imo extremely unlikely
[20:12] <Darkelarious> yet I also have trouble verifying this, as I expect that this is the result of an uefi change/clusterfck
[20:12] <Darkelarious> and that didn't yield any results either
[20:12] <leftyfb> Darkelarious: then disable uefi/secureboot
[20:12] <blammo> pumpkinz: i think i got it:  ubuntu ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[20:13] <leftyfb> Darkelarious: but again, if both OS's fail to see your hardware at all, I'm going with a hardware issue
[20:13] <pumpkinz> blammo, o.o if that is what you want.
[20:13] <Darkelarious> secureboot is disabled already
[20:13] <pumpkinz> looked like su - user <<EOF could be used even with password.
[20:13] <blammo> pumpkinz: yeah, the default was: ubuntu ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[20:13] <Darkelarious> completely disabling uefi I would like to try, but don't know how to do this as win7 still uses/needs it
[20:14] <leftyfb> Darkelarious: well, your win7 is broken as well right? So does it matter?
[20:14] <Darkelarious> win7 seems to function perfectly fine, except for that the network adapter disappeared
[20:14] <Darkelarious> I was hoping that at least somebody here recognized this as a potential result of wrong uefi settings
[20:15] <leftyfb> Darkelarious: If you made no hardware/BIOS changes to your system and Windows and Ubuntu both fail to find the hardware, then it's a hardware issue
[20:15] <Darkelarious> but ... the timing
[20:15] <Darkelarious> I have a hard time accepting that
[20:15] <leftyfb> Darkelarious: desktop or laptop?
[20:15] <Darkelarious> desktop
[20:15] <leftyfb> Darkelarious: onboard NIC or pci card?
[20:15] <Darkelarious> onboard
[20:16] <Darkelarious> no other warnings/indicators
[20:16] <leftyfb> Darkelarious: contact the manufacturer to troubleshoot further
[20:16] <Darkelarious> will try, ty
[20:16] <Darkelarious> any other recommendations for now?
[20:16] <leftyfb> nope. This is step #1
[20:16] <Darkelarious> ack
[20:16] <AvidWolf43> whats up guys
[20:16] <Darkelarious> ty
[20:16] <AvidWolf43> trying to POC a business grade laptop for use with Ubuntu
[20:16] <OerHeks> if you upgraded, did you do something special for eth0 something?
[20:17] <OerHeks> oh
[20:17] <AvidWolf43> been eying the xps 13 9380 for a while
[20:17] <AvidWolf43> my coworkers want to know if it is enterprise grade
[20:17] <leftyfb> AvidWolf43: feel free to go to #ubuntu-offtopic for opinions. This is a support channel. Or go to http://certification.canonical.com if you want to see the hardware that has been certified
[20:17] <AvidWolf43> oh sorry
[20:19] <bryanroderyck> hello anyone can help me with python3 internal error on ubuntu 16.04 .it prevent upgrade
[20:21] <OerHeks> bryanroderyck, what errors? use paste.ubuntu.com for the output/details
[20:24] <bryanroderyck> https://imgur.com/a/gK9z5Mq
[20:24] <OerHeks> oh, an image..
[20:24] <OerHeks> why?
[20:24] <bryanroderyck> https://imgur.com/a/ynxVsqy
[20:25] <bryanroderyck> https://imgur.com/a/0cTbenW
[20:26] <bryanroderyck> on the third image you can see the error
[20:26] <bryanroderyck> is there a way to view all the error before desktop start?
[20:28] <ca_cabo> ow can I build an xorg.conf in 19.04?
[20:28] <ca_cabo> how*
[20:28] <lordcirth_> ca_cabo, why do you need to?
[20:29] <lordcirth_> bryanroderyck, try "apt install --reinstall python3-minimal"
[20:29] <ca_cabo> when I run startx I keep getting "unable to connect to X server: connection refused"
[20:29] <ca_cabo> looking at the log file it says that it needs Bus ID's specified.
[20:30] <lordcirth_> ca_cabo, what graphics card and driver?
[20:30] <ca_cabo> lordcirth_, Firepro V5800 using radeon driver
[20:31] <bryanroderyck> same error persist when i use command to upgrade to 18.04
[20:33] <activist> Hi fellows! I have a question. Ubuntu does have apt-transport-tor package but same Ubuntu doesn't have hidden service repo list. May i ask why? Thanks.
[20:37] <bryanroderyck> oerHeks
[20:41] <bryanroderyck> lordcirth_
[20:41] <lordcirth_> bryanroderyck, can you pastebin the error that you get when running do-release-upgrade?
[20:41] <activist> Hi fellows! I have a question. Ubuntu does have apt-transport-tor package but same Ubuntu doesn't have hidden service repo list. May i ask why? Thanks.
[20:42] <lordcirth_> !patience | activist
[20:42] <activist> fy
[20:42] <lordcirth_> activist, probably because no one was willing to maintain Tor mirrors? Why do you need to download updates over Tor?
[20:43] <bryanroderyck> it the image saying python3 error https://imgur.com/a/0cTbenW
[20:43] <activist> If no one was willing no maintain Tor mirrors then why Ubuntu published apt-transport-tor package? For being fancy?
[20:43] <Darkelarious> leftyfb: hi, yes, me again.. instant plot twist.
[20:43] <lordcirth_> bryanroderyck, Please try running do-release-upgrade from the terminal and pastebin the result.
[20:43] <mloza> Hello, I have bionic and I'm using /etc/network/interfaces for networking. How do I make these ip route commands persistent https://pastebin.com/raw/PXDZvp0z ?
[20:44] <Darkelarious> leftyfb: may I approach you via PM, not to disrupt other conversations in this channel/
[20:44] <Darkelarious> ?
[20:44] <lordcirth_> activist, pretty sure you could use the standard mirrors over Tor using that plugin?
[20:45] <activist> I guess you don't have knowledge about Tor network.
[20:45] <activist> I will use that package with Clearnet website :)
[20:45] <activist> Laughable
[20:45] <lordcirth_> activist, I do know how Tor works. Hidden sites were tacked on to Tor long after release, and most people still use Tor to access normal sites safely.
[20:46] <lordcirth_> Hidden sites are primarily useful when the site itself is threatened, which is not the case here.
[20:46] <activist> lordcirth_ i am sure you don't know how Tor works. If i don't use hidden service repo list then why i will use that package?
[20:46] <activist> anyway, thank you for suggestion.
[20:46] <activist> I will be waiting someone who knows Tor.
[20:46] <lordcirth_> activist, to hide your traffic. Accessing clearnet sites through Tor still anonymizes your access.
[20:47] <activist> Pfff. Here a webpage for understanding. Please read with calm head. https://bits.debian.org/2016/08/debian-and-tor-services-available-as-onion-services.html
[20:47] <bryanroderyck> https://pastebin.com/R0CETE73
[20:48] <DuckyDev> Hi guys. I'm in trouble here! I really need to get my 14.04LTS Server updated, but my bootdrive is full. How should I solve this?
[20:49] <lordcirth_> DuckyDev, do you have enough space to install 'ncdu'?
[20:49] <activist> bryanroderyck first use this command
[20:49] <activist> sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/python3.5 /usr/bin/python3
[20:49] <activist> If that doesn't work try this
[20:49] <activist> sudo apt-get install --reinstall python3
[20:49] <activist> And try again please.
[20:50] <gambl0re> will xubuntu give battery life compared to kubuntu?
[20:50] <activist> gamb0re this depends on how you are using OS.
[20:51] <lordcirth_> gambl0re, perhaps slightly.
[20:51] <gambl0re> im getting 5hrs battery life on my thinkpad t480s
[20:52] <lordcirth_> activist, if you read & watch the Tor Project overview, you will find that Tor works fine even when accessing clearnet sites. https://2019.www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en
[20:52] <gambl0re> is that normal with kubuntu? i read how some users are getting 12hrs..
[20:52] <activist> Pff lordcirth_ please stop.
[20:52] <DuckyDev> lordcirth_: Nope :S I can't even do a "sudo apt-get autoremove" ( https://termbin.com/22xp )
[20:52] <lordcirth_> activist, so you haven't read it, then?
[20:52] <gambl0re> im doing general browsing, text editor, youtube. thats about it
[20:52] <bryanroderyck> https://pastebin.com/YAMpF4JM same error
[20:52] <activist> just ignored you.
[20:53] <activist> bryanroderyck did you try both of them?
[20:54] <gambl0re> is kubuntu known to be resource intensive? im not using ubuntu gnome because i read it uses up a lot of ram/cpu
[20:54] <activist> Yes correct gnome is a battery monster
[20:54] <lordcirth_> gambl0re, are you using tlp and/or powertop?
[20:54] <gambl0re> tlp only
[20:54] <hggdh> gambl0re: as I told you some hours ago, yes, KDE and Gnome are more resource-intensive than [lx]ubuntu
[20:54] <bryanroderyck> wait i try the second
[20:55] <gambl0re> hggdh, i didnt see your last message
[20:55] <lordcirth_> gambl0re, you could perhaps turn off some of the fancy effects? But yeah, I'd run Xubuntu.
[20:55] <activist> If second doesn't work try this.
[20:55] <activist> sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/python2.7 /usr/bin/python
[20:55] <gambl0re> will i see significant differences? if im only going to see marginal improvements then i'll just stick with kubuntu
[20:55] <gambl0re> is 5hrs normal battery life when using kubuntu?
[20:56] <bryanroderyck> same error
[20:56] <lordcirth_> gambl0re, that's more a question of your laptop.
[20:56] <gambl0re> well ive read users getting 10-12hrs on same laptop but i dont know what os they were running
[20:56] <activist> gambl0re i recommend you to backup all important data and install Xubuntu and do your own test. Daily usage stuff, etc. And take note
[20:56] <activist> sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/python2.7 /usr/bin/python
[20:57] <OerHeks> activist, he has problems with python3 ..
[20:57] <gambl0re> activist, ok ill just try. thanks
[20:57] <activist> If he has problems with python3 then first command should have been worked :|
[20:58] <activist> If the last one doesn't work then try this.
[20:58] <activist> sudo update-alternatives --remove-all python
[20:58] <hggdh> ...
[20:58] <lordcirth_> Um, removing python is not a good idea.
[20:58] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: Support: show in a pastebin the outputs of ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' . So we see the error in context.
[20:58] <OerHeks> activist, keep it to your tor question, i hope you did not the ubuntu packages
[20:58] <OerHeks> !tor
[20:59] <jeremy31> activist: bryanroderyck The /usr/bin/python3 symlink should point to /usr/bin/python3.6 in 18.04
[20:59] <hggdh> and ln -s by hand is REALLY not a good idea
[20:59] <bryanroderyck> should i remove all python now?
[20:59] <hggdh> NO
[20:59] <Walex> activist: users/sysadm should not modify anything under '/usr/' or other installation directories
[21:00] <activist> oerheks do you know what is the hidden services of Ubuntu like Debian?
[21:00] <activist> hggdh i had this before and i worked with that way.
[21:00] <activist> maybe i did wrong.
[21:00] <Walex> activist: well it is fine if it is a fix for something has broken
[21:01] <Walex> activist: but then why did  it break?
[21:01] <hggdh> bryanroderyck: you basically have two options: (1) find out what is wrong with python3; (2) sudo apt install --reinstall python3
[21:01] <lordcirth_> hggdh, I already had him try 2)
[21:01] <bryanroderyck> yes i did try :)
[21:01] <hggdh> activist: yes, it is wrong. There is update-alternatives to do that (which, normally should not even be needed)
[21:01] <Walex> if that does not work probably things are bad
[21:02] <hggdh> bryanroderyck: what bashing-om requested, then
[21:02] <activist> oerheks here are the Debian hidden service repo list. Please look these and you will understand me. Tor->Clearnet=Bad Idea Tor->HiddenService=Good Idea https://pastebin.com/k6LVhv5V
[21:02] <activist> hggdh thanks for the inform.
[21:03] <bryanroderyck> nothing yet
[21:03] <activist> walex btw reinstall python should work.
[21:04] <Walex> bryanroderyck: just checking: what does this print:  python3 -c 'import sys; print (":".join(sys.path))'
[21:05] <Walex> bryanroderyck: BTW guys use 'paste.ubuntu.com' or 'pastebinit' not 'pastebin.com'
[21:05] <bryanroderyck> Bashing_om :https://pastebin.com/CFVHBm4i
[21:05] <activist> walex what is the bad side of pastebin?
[21:05] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: looking.
[21:06] <bryanroderyck> i dont know how to use pasteubuntu
[21:07] <activist> just visit paste.ubuntu.com
[21:07] <Walex> bryanroderyck: it is https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[21:07] <Walex> bryanroderyck: or you can install the 'pastebinit' command
[21:07] <Walex> bryanroderyck: and anything you pipe into it goes into that site.
[21:08] <Walex> so for example
[21:08] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: Package manager is happy - tell again what issue you have.
[21:09] <bryanroderyck> i cant do any upgrade
[21:10] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: Apt says there is nothing to upgrade .. all up-2-date . So huh ?
[21:10] <Walex> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/YAMpF4JM
[21:10] <lordcirth_> Bashing-om, I think he said he wants to upgrade 16.04 -> 18.04?
[21:10] <Walex> Bashing-om: at the very end
[21:10] <bryanroderyck> yes i have too many problem on 16.04
[21:11] <Walex> activist: it had adverts, it is annoying, it requires javascript (or some things break)
[21:11] <Walex> activist: the Ubuntu paste site is clean, simple, fast.
[21:12] <Walex> activist: and using 'pastebinit' is very convenient (no copy-and-paste)
[21:12] <Bashing-om> !info python3 xenial
[21:12] <Walex> bryanroderyck: just checking: what does this print:  python3 -c 'import sys; print (":".join(sys.path))'
[21:12] <bryanroderyck> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kpJtwrhhJV/
[21:13] <activist> walex here riseup share. reliable, no JS, convenient, no adverts. https://share.riseup.net/
[21:13] <Bashing-om> Walex: Thanks :) on it now.
[21:13] <Walex> for multiple command: (cmd1;cmd2; ...) |& pastebinit
[21:14] <Walex> bryanroderyck: here that command prints http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HRzpsz9V63/
[21:15] <bryanroderyck> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Dx5fMVSKH3/
[21:16] <Walex> bryanroderyck: that's sort of right, your Python 3 seems to be at least superficially installed right.
[21:16] <bryanroderyck> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rg9kW7DJqx/
[21:17] <bryanroderyck> yes before i remove some repository which was a headache for me
[21:17] <Walex> bryanroderyck: the 'do-release-upgrade' should have produced a log file with the details of why it thinks Python 3 is not setup right.
[21:18] <bryanroderyck> ok wait
[21:18] <Walex> bryanroderyck: https://www.xkcd.com/1987/
[21:20] <wondows> Why's my cursor freezing momentarily when moving between displays? I have two displays side by side
[21:20] <Walex> bryanroderyck: https://medium.com/@vigasdeep/upgrading-server-ubuntu-14-04-to-16-04-9d551a770757[3~
[21:20] <bryanroderyck> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mv7C9QW4Zg/
[21:20] <Walex> bryanroderyck: the logs are under '/var/log/dist-upgrade/'
[21:21] <activist> bryanroderyck i recommend you to backup all your data and clean install.
[21:21] <Bashing-om> Walex: bryanroderyck We can expect the symlink for python3 in xenial to point to python3.5. ` ls -al /usr/bin/python3 ` confirms this ?
[21:21] <Walex> bryanroderyck: do something like 'tail -60 /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log | pastebinit'
[21:22] <Walex> Bashing-om: you may have noticed that I have asked "bryanroderyck" to get this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rg9kW7DJqx/
[21:23] <bryanroderyck> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SKr89FdrX8/
[21:24] <Walex> bryanroderyck: actually that is wrong and impossible
[21:24] <Bashing-om> Walex: Yeah .. I try and follow .. 3.5 is installed but "python" version is what, as per the symlink ?
[21:24] <wondows> Ubuntu is really buggy
[21:24] <lordcirth_> wondows, do you have a support question?
[21:25] <wondows> yes
[21:25] <lordcirth_> How did he manage to get a circular symlink?
[21:25] <Walex> bryanroderyck: the output in https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Dx5fMVSKH3/ cannot have happened if that symlink is like you reported
[21:25] <activist> wondows please don't spam
[21:25] <wondows> lordcirth_: my cursor is momentarily getting stuck between my two displays when moving between them
[21:25] <bryanroderyck> what command was that?
[21:25] <Bashing-om> bryanroderyck: Walex:: +3 on bad symlink.
[21:25] <bryanroderyck>  sorry
[21:26] <lordcirth_> wondows, it is supposed to 'catch' a little when moving slowly, so that you can hit buttons on the edge of the screen
[21:26] <activist> WTF?
[21:26] <activist> What's going one Drone :)
[21:26] <lordcirth_> wondows, does it still do that when you move the mouse quickly?
[21:26] <activist> one*
[21:26] <activist> on*
[21:27] <wondows> lordcirth_: uh? no. That's unnaceptable. I have a fully screen app on one monitor. There are no buttons on the left. This did not use to happen.
[21:27] <Walex> bryanroderyck: if '/usr/bin/python3' is a link to itself, then the 'python3' command cannot run and produce that output
[21:27] <wondows> lordcirth_: yes, even if I move it quickly
[21:27] <Walex> wondows: perhaps the two screens are not logically contiguos and there is a gap
[21:27] <bryanroderyck> i try to boot with cd changing bootsetup ..it read then stop
[21:28] <Walex> bryanroderyck: let's try again...
[21:28] <wondows> Ubuntu often loses my screen configuration and I have to redo it and this time this started to happen
[21:28] <bryanroderyck> ok
[21:28] <Walex> bryanroderyck: just to be sure,
[21:28] <Walex> bryanroderyck: sudo apt install pastebinit
[21:28] <bryanroderyck> yes
[21:28] <Walex> bryanroderyck: (ls -ld /usr/bin/python*; python3 -c 'import sys; print (":".join(sys.path))') |& pastebinit
[21:29] <Walex> that is to avoid any copy-and-paste issues.
[21:29] <activist> walex please don't force that guy for installing that package. I can paste his texts with pasteubuntu
[21:29] <activist> bryanroderyck please paste errors and i will generate those via pasteubuntu
[21:30] <lordcirth_> wondows, in the Display settings, are the two monitors adjacent without a gap, and lined up? Are they the same resolution?
[21:30] <Walex> activist: I don't know whether 'python3' target is really just 'python3' or 'python3.5' and the paste was missing the last 2 characters
[21:30] <wondows>  lordcirth_ they're the same model, there is a gap between them but I guess that's just the way it is? I cannot move them together exaclty
[21:30] <Walex> activist: "bryanroderyck" has done some messy pasting before, so want to be sure.
[21:31] <activist> walex i understood you but you are seeing guy can't use that and i can change that with pasteubuntu for your :)
[21:31] <activist> you*
[21:31] <bryanroderyck> let me know what to do clearly
[21:31] <Walex> bryanroderyck: sudo apt install pastebinit
[21:31] <Walex> bryanroderyck: (ls -ld /usr/bin/python*; python3 -c 'import sys; print (":".join(sys.path))') |& pastebinit
[21:31] <bryanroderyck> done
[21:32] <Walex> then paste here the URL printed by 'pastebinit'
[21:32] <bryanroderyck> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cwNzxrwH8t/
[21:32] <activist> Wow he has all python versions :)
[21:33] <Walex> activist: Bashing-om: bryanroderyck: as I suspected the previous paste was missing the final ".5"
[21:33] <bryanroderyck> sorry
[21:34] <Walex> bryanroderyck: ULTS 16 does not have 3.6, how did you install it?
[21:34] <activist> maybe manual.
[21:34] <bryanroderyck> yes i did ..
[21:34] <Walex> bryanroderyck: you should have used the "deadsnakes" PPA
[21:35] <bryanroderyck> janathonf reopsitory
[21:35] <Walex> bryanroderyck: always look for a PPA before doing a manual install
[21:35] <Walex> bryanroderyck: now let's check that Python 3.5 is installed right....
[21:35] <Walex> bryanroderyck: sudo apt install debsums
[21:36] <activist> probably a symlink problem.
[21:36] <ubuntumansarda> Ciao a tutti!
[21:36] <Walex> bryanroderyck: after installing 'debsums' run:
[21:37] <Walex> bryanroderyck: debsums -c python3.5-minimal python3.5 python3 |& pastebinit
[21:37] <activist> ubuntumansarda Ciao anche a te!
[21:38] <Walex> bryanroderyck: that checks fairly well the integrity of a package
[21:39] <bryanroderyck> empty document
[21:39] <mloza> post-up ip route no longer works in bionic? I'm using ifaces instead of netplan
[21:39] <mloza> I don't want to use netplan
[21:39] <Walex> bryanroderyck: that's good, that means all three packages are fine.
[21:39] <Eickmeyer> !en | activist
[21:40] <activist> Eickmeyer !thanks for your warn buddy. Greetings.
[21:40] <Walex> bryanroderyck: then now let's see the actual details with: tail -60  /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log | pastebinit
[21:40] <sappheiros> How do I stop getting this error? (I'd like to remove the Brave web browser stuff since i386 doesn't have it.) > Err:4 https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com cosmic InRelease / The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 4FE13824E3FFC656 Brave Software <support@brave.com>
[21:40] <sappheiros> from sudo apt-get update i think
[21:40] <bryanroderyck> empty
[21:41] <Walex> sappheiros: grep brave.com /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list
[21:41] <Walex> bryanroderyck: that's "unusual"
[21:41] <bryanroderyck> oops :0
[21:41] <Walex> bryanroderyck: sudo ls -ltr /var/log/dist-upgrade/ |& pastebinit
[21:42] <Walex> sappheiros: that tells you which APT source file points to that repository
[21:42] <bryanroderyck> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6NNZ4p2fqq/
[21:42] <sappheiros> thank you ... what do i do with this resulting info? "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/brave-browser-release-cosmic.list:deb [arch=amd64] https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com/ cosmic main"
[21:43] <sappheiros> i go to that .list file and remove the line?
[21:43] <Walex> sappheiros: either your delete that file or comment out both its lines.
[21:43] <sappheiros> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/brave-browser-release-cosmic.list ?
[21:43] <Walex> sappheiros: for example, if you like 'nano'
[21:43] <sappheiros> erm, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:43] <sappheiros> i don't know how else to do it
[21:44] <sappheiros> i think i just found the GUI method with muon
[21:44] <Walex> sappheiros: the first file was the right one.
[21:44]  * Walex is an old fashioned command line guy
[21:44] <bryanroderyck> :)
[21:45] <Walex> bryanroderyck: tail -60 /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log |& pastebinit
[21:45] <Walex> bryanroderyck: ls -ltr /var/log/dist-upgrade/20190511-0119/ |& pastebinit
[21:45] <bryanroderyck> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wX9JjgzDcr/
[21:46] <Walex> bryanroderyck: ahhhh this paste tells us the issue
[21:46] <Walex> bryanroderyck: python symlink points to: '/usr/bin/python3', but expected is 'python2.7' or '/usr/bin/python2.7'
[21:46] <Walex> bryanroderyck: the default Python for ULTS 16 is 2, not 3, and probably you changed that.
[21:47] <activist> :D
[21:47] <activist> you came to me
[21:47] <bryanroderyck> yes i think ---alternatives
[21:47] <wondows> So how do I stop my cursor from getting stuck when moving between monitors?
[21:48] <activist> sudo update-alternatives --remove-all python
[21:48] <Walex> wondows: if there is a gap in coordinate space it has to take some time travelling through it.
[21:48] <wondows> I guess I gotta learn to live with it? THere's no solution? This is just the way it is?
[21:48] <wondows> Walex: How to remove the gap?
[21:48] <Walex> wondows: xrandr |& pastebinit
[21:49] <bryanroderyck> Walex
[21:49] <Walex> bryanroderyck: I hereby grant you permission to do this:
[21:49] <bryanroderyck> ??
[21:49] <Walex> bryanroderyck: cd /usr/bin; ln -sf python2.7 python
[21:50] <Walex> bryanroderyck: cd /usr/bin; sudo ln -sf python2.7 python
[21:50] <wondows> Walex: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gNbhQdPwgJ/
[21:50] <activist> lol
[21:50] <bryanroderyck> ok
[21:51] <Walex> wondows: there is no gap though
[21:51] <Walex> wondows: and your display config looks good, even if 2x 4K screen is a bit too luxurious :-)
[21:52] <wondows> I wish I could be in macOS :(
[21:52] <Walex> wondows: it has similar issues, just different
[21:52] <bryanroderyck> i can do upgrade now?
[21:52] <Walex> wondows: describe that "stuck" a bit better, because I was guessing
[21:52] <wondows> I have no issues in macOS basically, on Ubuntu it's a new fight against bugs everyday
[21:53] <wondows> Walex: like when you have the dock set to auto-hide I guess
[21:53] <wondows> Walex: it basically locks the x axis movement for a second
[21:53] <Walex> wondows: let's say I got dozens of users with MacOS and Ubuntu and they both give trouble. People however tend to use MacOS a lot less demandingly.
[21:54] <wondows> I even started to write all my frustrations with Ubuntu to a text file. Gonna add one more now
[21:54] <Walex> wondows: that, is people expext that every random combination of hw/sw should work with Ubuntu.
[21:55] <Walex> wondows: please describe again what you mean by "stuck": what do your eyes see?
[21:55] <Walex> wondows: does that happen when you just move the cursor, or also when you drag a windows across?
[21:55] <wondows> At this point I don't expect things to work really. I always expect I will have to spend hours trying to fix something instead of being productive.
[21:55] <Walex> bryanroderyck: yes, try again the upgrade.
[21:56] <Walex> wondows: that's why my workplace has MacOS/Ubuntu sysadms...
[21:56] <wondows> Walex: yeah also happens when dragging a window and it does that animation to allows you to maximize it
[21:56] <Walex> wondows: but how long does it get stuck?
[21:56] <wondows> Walex: hah I wish I had that luxury\
[21:57] <wondows> Walex: half a second
[21:57] <Walex> wondows: and what happens during that half a second? Where does it get stuck?
[21:57] <wondows> Walex: on the edge of the monitor, the cursor stops moving horizontally
[21:58] <Walex> wondows: uh silly thing.
[21:58] <Walex> wondows: I suspect, together with what you say about dragging windows, that it gets stuck in a "snap" area.
[21:59] <Walex> wondows: which desktop environment flavour are you using?
[22:00] <Walex> wondows: the "snap"/maximize/... areas on the edges can be disabled, and I usually do so, but how depends on the specific desktop environment and/or window manager
[22:01]  * Walex thinks some desktop/wm programmers like too much cool/complex features
[22:01] <wondows> Walex: what's a "desktop environment flavour"? Ubuntu 18.04, nothing really custom
[22:02] <Walex> wondows: what happens when you press the "windows" key? Does the screen suddenly change to an overview?
[22:04] <wondows> Walex: yeah and interestigly, if I move the cursor to display #1 whilst in that overview I can't get it out of there
[22:04] <Walex> wondows: that's semi-fine
[22:05] <Walex> windowlicker: it is probably Ubuntu GNOME, but I don't have it here running right now.
[22:05] <Walex> wondows: it is probably Ubuntu GNOME, but I don't have it here running right now.
[22:06] <Walex> wondows: so will do a search about where the edge controls are.
[22:06] <wondows> Walex: is GNOME the default?
[22:06] <Walex> wondows: in ULTS 18 yes
[22:07] <Walex> wondows: if it is freshly installed
[22:08] <Walex> wondows: try this: https://askubuntu.com/a/981152
[22:09] <wondows> Ok I did `gsettings set org.gnome.shell.overrides edge-tiling false` and nothing changed. I mean the windows still maximize when dragged to the edgs
[22:10] <wondows> *egdes
[22:10] <wondows> *edges
[22:11] <Walex> wondows: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2375576&p=13702990#post13702990
[22:12] <Walex> also #7
[22:13] <wondows> hmm this worked `dconf write /org/gnome/mutter/edge-tiling false` but the cursor continues to stick as expected
[22:13] <wondows> THanks for the help but I think this is it
[22:13] <Walex> wondows: my guess was that the cursor sticking was a bug related to "active edges"
[22:14] <wondows> gotta learn to live with it
[22:14] <wondows> the same way it came up randomly it will disappear randomly one day
[22:14] <wondows> I guess that's just the way it is
[22:14] <wondows> screw this (sorry)
[22:15] <Walex> wondows: OK, sorry for not finding a workaround.
[22:16] <wondows> Walex: hah no worries, thanks for your efforts
[22:17] <wondows> I have just been having a hard time growing more and more frustrated with buggy software, unreliable stuff, things breaking down, things that are badly made, little things over and over again, adding up, and I'm becoming too easily irritated at this point whenever something fails at me
[22:18] <wondows> Idk what to do but I need to learn to live with buggy stuff and raise my resistance to frustration
[22:18] <wondows> Humans just suck at making things that just work, myself included
[22:19] <hggdh> wondows: I understand your frustation but, please stick to topic
[22:20] <Walex> wondows: if your support request is "how do I have a more consistent user experience" the usual answer is "avoid complex software and configurations".
[22:21] <Walex> wondows: for example I have recently switched to XFCE4 for that reason.
[22:21] <wondows> haha so "dual display" is too complex for Ubuntu to handle :P
[22:22] <Walex> wondows: no, but complicated cool features in the desktop environment tend to be buggy.
[22:22] <teb007est> I need some help with a issue am having I just installed Ubuntu Minimal ISO after installing I installed Open box then I installed Konsole I can seem to open a Konsole without it being in root I need some guidness on how to open a terminal without being in root mod...Very Confused lol
[22:22] <Walex> wondows: and there are *many* problems with dual displays with GNU/Linux in general, and with MacOS too.
[22:23] <Walex> teb007est: Konsole drags in most of KDE, so it is not quite "minimal" for OpenBox.
[22:23] <Walex> teb007est: try the following....
[22:23] <wondows> Walex: I guess the experience you have is almost totally based on luck
[22:24] <Walex> wondows: a friend of mine who was a professional tester says "never use custom options or configurations, only default ones get tested" :-)
[22:25] <Walex> wondows: Microsof, Apple, etc. tend to use the "social definition" of "works": it works if most users with their standard configurations don't complain.
[22:26] <teb007est> Walex: am not quite understand what your meaning "Try The Following"
[22:26] <Walex> wondows: for example you like have have a 4k display which means HiDPI, and not everything scales right under any of the common OSes.
[22:26] <Walex> teb007est: it is coming...
[22:26] <Walex> teb007est: open *some* console terminal.
[22:26] <Walex> teb007est: as 'root'
[22:26] <wondows> Walex: I do complex stuff on macOS and hardly have any OS issues, or windowing issues. macOS is very pleasant for me to use. I guess I am just lucky. I can put these two 4K displays on my macbook and it just works
[22:27] <Walex> wondows: most of my MacOS users are "just lucky", so most of my Ubuntu users.
[22:27] <Walex> wondows: they tend to have very vanilla configurations.
[22:28] <Walex> teb007est: then do 'sudo -i -u USER' with your userid
[22:28] <Walex> teb007est: then try 'konsole' if you really must.
[22:29] <teb007est> Walex : When I creat the new user will it be root user I hope not lol
[22:29] <Walex> teb007est: I don't understand what you mean
[22:30] <teb007est> sudo -i -u USER what will this do
[22:30] <tubal> Hello. Running bionic. I've had livepatch enabled for some time, but the software updated still cues me to reboot after kernel updates. At least, I *presume* those are the updated causing this behaviour. Is this a bug in Software Updater? Or is there some other software that might require a reboot?
[22:30] <tubal> s/updater/updates/
[22:31] <Walex> teb007est: create a shell as USER
[22:31] <teb007est> Walex: God Bless You Kind Sir
[22:33] <Walex> teb007est: if that works there is no real to imagine why it should not work otherwise.
[22:34] <Walex> tubal: I have never used 'livepatch' but I guess some patches cannot be made live.
[22:35] <Walex> tubal: but it could be simply that Software Updater is simply reporting that the update says "should reboot" without being aware that you have enabled livepatching.
[22:35] <Eickmeyer> !livepatch | tubal, this is all I could find
[22:36] <tubal> Walex: I think it would be the former -- the value proposition, I think, is 'no kernel reboots'.
[22:36] <tubal> the latter, I meant.
[22:37] <Eickmeyer> tubal: There might be other items, like a running process, that requires the reboot, but that's just speculation on my part.
[22:37] <Eickmeyer> I regreat I don't have much time to dig into it, but I thought I could throw a couple ideas in for you, tubal. :)
[22:38] <tubal> Eickmeyer: Yeah, thanks. :) That's one of my theories, too.
[22:40] <rbanffy> Hi folks. Besides Konsole and Gnome Terminal, do we know of any other terminal emulators that support the overline ANSI escape sequence (ESC[53m)?
[22:59] <dirtycajun> 24 hours later and no progess bar. im really starting to think sigusr1 isnt going to do anything with fsck.ext4
[23:03] <blackflow> dirtycajun: why did you think it would?
[23:07] <esaie> hi
[23:22] <Walex> rbanffy: there is a rather comprehensive test here with a matrix of results: https://github.com/JoeMerten/Jfe/blob/master/Framework/tools/AnsiColors.py
[23:22] <Walex> rbanffy: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/JoeMerten/Jfe/master/Framework/tools/AnsiColors.py
[23:23] <Walex> rbanffy: it does not look good for "overln" and indeed I tried your test on y-combinator and the one in the script on various terminals here and none does overline.
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[23:34] <MannyLNJ> I need some help please. My ubuntu system will only boot into single user mode. I need help fixing it. I am using the Live-CD image to boot the computer
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