[00:07] <poniko> hi last time updates were installed for some reason it asked me to set up unattended upgrades
[00:07] <poniko> i thought that was really weird.
[00:08] <poniko> should i be concerned or is that normal in the last updates?
[00:10] <poniko> Im using xubuntu 18.04
[05:27] <Newperson> Hello
[05:28] <Newperson> I was wondering if any kind sir madam or non binary can help me with how to adjust screen brightness on this OS ?
[05:28] <Newperson> it would be quite useful for me to know
[05:30] <Newperson> Or maybe like most lite OS's  it cant be done easily and effectively ?
[05:32] <Iolo> It's probably in the settings under power manager, if you're talking about a laptop's screen brightness.
[05:34] <Newperson> I'm not even sure its in there, and even if it is, you have  to go into power manager everytime?  cant just use keyboard shortcut, or add icon to taskbar?
[05:35] <Newperson> im setting up the computer for somebody who will not be going into settings to chage stuff.  i need it easily accesible
[05:35] <Newperson> i dont understand why som many linux OS's dont have easy access to brightness toggle.  It's fundamental.
[05:38] <Iolo> If you have keys on your keyboard that let you control the brightness, those should work. If not, you could maybe try installing xbacklight, and then binding keys to xbacklight -inc and -dec. Never tried it though, so not 100% that it'll work.
[05:40] <Newperson> the shortcut keys dont work.  I looked at xbacklight but its too hard. I cant install it cos i dont understand how
[05:41] <well_laid_lawn> !packages
[05:41] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[05:41] <well_laid_lawn> !Synaptic
[05:42] <well_laid_lawn> Newperson:        ↑
[05:42] <Newperson> ?
[05:42] <Newperson> i cant understand all that
[05:43] <well_laid_lawn> see the link ?
[05:43] <Newperson> i tried to follow step by step how to install xbacklight,  couldnt do it.   so linux is still only for hobbyists i guess
[05:43] <Newperson> yea i saw it
[05:43] <well_laid_lawn> it'll explain how to install a program
[05:43] <Newperson> i dont want to read an encyclopedia just to use an OS
[05:43] <well_laid_lawn> ok
[05:44] <Newperson> and easy directions?  or will go back to windows 10.  slow on 1gb, but oh well
[05:44] <Iolo> Which part did you have trouble with?
[05:44] <Newperson> all of it.   every time i want to install something, i have problems following it
[05:44] <Newperson> basically for now, i just want the brightness toggle to work
[05:45] <Newperson> as i say, isnt that absolutely fundamental?  yet devs dont seem to think so
[05:45] <Unit193> All I have to do on my netbook is hit the fn+up or down arrow keys, so it's pretty simple, for me. :3
[05:46] <Newperson> it doesnt work on this one.  yet on windows 10 it does
[05:46] <Newperson> i trie lubuntu, xubuntu.  they dont work.. that would be so bad, but there is NO  slider i nthe task bar to adjust brigthness either.  unacceptable
[05:46] <Iolo> And yet brightness control works out of the box for me. Seems like devs do care after all, but perhaps your machine has some kind of exotic configuration that hasn't been accounter for, for example.
[05:46] <Iolo> accounted*
[05:47] <well_laid_lawn> !troll
[05:47] <Unit193> xfce4-power-manager, in the panel, should allow you to adjust your backlight too I believe..
[05:47] <Newperson> no. i tried lubuntu on two other machine sin the past. had the same problem exact.  i was told xununtu was better.  but now
[05:47] <Newperson> how the hell am i a troll?  i just want my brightness working.  anyone who has issues with xubuntu is a troll.  bloody fanboys
[05:48] <well_laid_lawn> you aren't being helpful to the people trying to help - just complaining alot
[05:49] <well_laid_lawn> what's the laptop model ? making things just need a tweak
[05:49] <Newperson> get stuffed isiot.   u called me atroll, u started bef not me.  im 'complaining '  by explaining my issues?
[05:50] <well_laid_lawn> so much hate
[05:50] <Unit193> That's really not helping to solve your technical issue, can you please stay on point?
[05:50] <Newperson> u called me a troll  asshole
[05:50] <Newperson> when was i rude to you before that?
[05:50] <Unit193> Newperson: Please.
[05:51] <Newperson> so can anybidy civil help me with my issue or not possible ?
[05:54] <Newperson> ?????????????????????????????????????
[05:54] <Newperson> anyone, or ill just install something else.
[05:56] <Newperson> so the only one offering help is the twat who called me a troll.   nice room
[05:57] <knome> Newperson, please, you havent even told us your laptop model.
[05:57] <knome> how arenwe supposed to help wth your issue?
[05:57] <Newperson> not calling me a troll might be a good start
[05:58] <Newperson> Acer aspire one d255  1gb   x64 processor
[05:58] <knome> got to go. bbl.
[06:00] <Newperson> i need t oget an OS in there.  oif you dont know how to help me just say and i'll install something else
[06:08] <Newperson> forget it.  uninstalling. using something that's actually  a complete and usable OS
[06:08] <Newperson> and if im a troll, ure a fanboy
[09:06] <MrBrownsword> How do I install Skype please?  Got a tarminal command I cna paste. all online ones I found failed. Xubuntu 18.04
[09:07] <diogenes_> MrBrownsword, why don't you run it in browser?
[09:07] <diogenes_> no installation needed.
[09:09] <MrBrownsword> bwoser make s it run slower.  have a very slow machine here.
[09:10] <diogenes_> MrBrownsword, ok then try this: sudo apt install https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb
[09:10] <MrBrownsword> how to run it ?
[09:10] <diogenes_> in terminal
[09:11] <MrBrownsword> i dont know how
[09:11] <diogenes_> press alt+ctrl+t
[09:11] <diogenes_> then copy/paste that command
[09:11] <diogenes_> press enter
[09:11] <MrBrownsword> that isnt a download link you mean?  its a terminal command i should paste?
[09:11] <diogenes_> you paste the entire command
[09:11] <diogenes_> sudo apt install https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb
[09:14] <MrBrownersword> i had to log in on my xubuntu computer.  can i have the link again pleaese
[09:14] <diogenes_> sudo apt install https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb
[09:15] <MrBrownersword> building dependency tree etc...
[09:15] <MrBrownersword> E: Unable to locate package https://repo.skype.com/latest E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'https://repo.skype.com/latest' E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'https://repo.skype.com/latest'
[09:16] <diogenes_> ok then run this
[09:16] <diogenes_> wget  https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb
[09:17] <MrBrownersword> thanks. downloading something now
[09:18] <MrBrownersword> Why is linux sush a headache?  not poible in linux to just download a exe and cick to instal?  does my head in constantly
[09:19] <diogenes_> after its done, run: sudo apt install skype (and press Tab key)
[09:19] <pmjdebruijn> he can just click to install the .deb right?
[09:19] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: download exe from random sources is per se a great idea
[09:19] <diogenes_> pmjdebruijn, yes he can but i find terminal way much easier.
[09:19] <pmjdebruijn> diogenes_: I doubt MrBrownersword will :)
[09:20] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: essetinally it's just download .deb and click to install on linux, hardly anuy different from linux
[09:20] <pmjdebruijn> ugh Windows
[09:20] <MrBrownersword> sometimes clickign wrks and sometimes doent.. and ive no idea why. just a real mess
[09:20] <diogenes_> pmjdebruijn, even microsoft has recognized that terminal way of doing stuff is much easier that's why the released their fancy terminal :)
[09:20] <MrBrownersword> uhg'  why?
[09:20] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: I've never had it fail
[09:20] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: it's not a mess really
[09:21] <MrBrownersword> how can it be easier?  i spend most of my time on linux asking for help.  i spend most of my time on windws just using it.
[09:21] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: it said it was roughly the same
[09:21] <MrBrownersword> well it does for me.. ive no idea.. sometimes click stuff and it just wnt wrk.  other times there is not even an option to click
[09:22] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: we were taklin gabout .deb files, not other things
[09:22] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: also, presumablinh you already have 10yrs or experience using Windows
[09:22] <MrBrownersword> well i dont knowl.. ackage files...  soem stuff wont instal.  and deb file arent common enough
[09:22] <pmjdebruijn> which heavily biases your perception of what is easy and how thinsg should work
[09:22] <diogenes_> MrBrownersword, unfortunately linux same as windows and same as any other stuff in the world, is not for everyone.
[09:22] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: "not common enough"?
[09:22] <pmjdebruijn> linux is less used OS
[09:22] <fiet> MrBrownersword:Funny, fot me it's the other way around.
[09:23] <MrBrownersword> no it doenst.  vitrualltevery program is installed wih .exe.  and only two version. 32 or 64 bit.    linux u haev to do all sorts or cray stuff in termnial depending on wat linux u got
[09:23] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: you need ubuntu software for ubuntu yes.. just like you need windows software for windows, no difference there really
[09:23] <diogenes_> MrBrownersword, and do you know what exactly you install by clicking the .exe file?
[09:24] <MrBrownersword> windows is the easier os in the world.  linux is a nightmare. i use it on slow computer though.. or tr to
[09:24] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: aside from the security issues that arise from having regular people "just click .exe files downloaded from the internet" but that's a seperate argument
[09:24] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: the point being, if you're not really willing to learn a new os, why even try?
[09:24] <MrBrownersword> i don care.  the old 'exe' virus arguement.    i  spent a tiny amount of time dealing wih windows viruses. i spend masses of time trying o stall things on linux.  i'll take he .exe  thanks.  anyday
[09:25] <MrBrownersword> im willing to learn , but linux is too hadrd.   people pretend it isnt but it is
[09:25] <MrBrownersword> im willing to learn liek a windows level os.. liek i did with windows its seld
[09:25] <diogenes_> MrBrownersword, i learnt it in one week
[09:25] <MrBrownersword> but the terminal can go to ehll as fat as im concered
[09:25] <MrBrownersword> oh well ure a genuis then
[09:26] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: just stick to Windows then
[09:26] <diogenes_> ^^^
[09:26] <MrBrownersword> most people would not like linu.. its simplt too hard
[09:26] <pmjdebruijn> and while I don't know diogenes_ well, he's probably not a genius
[09:26] <pmjdebruijn> diogenes_: no offense :D
[09:26] <MrBrownersword> it free yet has a tiny user base as an os. that says it all
[09:27] <pmjdebruijn> again, feel free, not to use linux
[09:27] <diogenes_> pmjdebruijn, only apple employees are geniuses it's even written on their bagdes lol, genius bar.
[09:27] <pmjdebruijn> nobody is forcing you
[09:27] <MrBrownersword> well, again, feel free t ostop pretending its easy to use.
[09:27] <pmjdebruijn> nobody is pretending
[09:27] <MrBrownersword> im not biased,  just try to be rational
[09:28] <MrBrownersword> yes they are, it is NOT easy learning termninal commands to just instal something.. and having to change the commands depending on your linix type
[09:28] <pmjdebruijn> the differences aren't that big
[09:28] <MrBrownersword> yes they are
[09:28] <pmjdebruijn> and you don't need the terminal to install most things
[09:28] <MrBrownersword> im totaly lost. i need NO terminal skill in windows. NONE
[09:28] <MrBrownersword> yes you do
[09:29] <MrBrownersword> unles its ubuntu. teh best linux  for that reason
[09:29] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: not really distros cater to beginners
[09:29] <MrBrownersword> the rest is a shambles
[09:29] <pmjdebruijn> this is exaclty why diversity matters
[09:29] <pmjdebruijn> the rest isn't shambles. they have different goals
[09:29] <MrBrownsword> and the average person simply cannot use them
[09:29] <pmjdebruijn> the idea that one thing can or should be universally best is flawed
[09:29] <MrBrownsword> i wish people would stop pretening they can
[09:30] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: this why why people recommend ubuntu for beginers
[09:30] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: again, nobody is forcing you
[09:30] <MrBrownsword> ubuntu i can use..  it sgood enough.. took years.. but now its usuable
[09:30] <MrBrownsword> i dint say anyone was forcing me
[09:30] <pmjdebruijn> then why complain about it
[09:30] <MrBrownsword> but people always give hte impression its easy.  or 'learn it in a week'
[09:30] <pmjdebruijn> if you don't like it, stop using it
[09:30] <MrBrownsword> becasue im trying to let u realise its NOT easy
[09:31] <MrBrownsword> #and im trying ot use a lightweight OS that actuall yworks, and is usable ot th ecommon man
[09:31] <MrBrownsword> yea, i probably will stop
[09:31] <MrBrownsword> its a fucking shambles
[09:32] <pmjdebruijn> that's the beauty of choice
[09:32] <pmjdebruijn> no need to get worked up about something you can easily avoid
[09:32] <MrBrownsword> ok mr smug.  i asuumed this was a usable working lightweight os..  i guess i was wrong.. unless i have a degree in terminal code
[09:32] <MrBrownsword> yea.. we alll have a choice aint that swell
[09:33] <MrBrownsword> i have to try it before i know i have to avoid it.. jeez u smug asshole
[09:34] <MrBrownersword> i second that.  most linux users are disgustingly smug and refuse to admit their terminal based shambles is not suitable for the everyday user.
[09:35] <pmjdebruijn> i'm not sure what you want from us
[09:35] <MrBrownsword> well..  not much i guess..  i was hoping fo rhonesty sat least.  i actually hate it wit hthis 'its as easy as windows ' crap.   its downright decietful
[09:36] <pmjdebruijn> even if so, so then you try linux for a few hours, discover it's not for you, then you move back to windows
[09:36] <pmjdebruijn> not the end of the worth
[09:36] <pmjdebruijn> world
[09:36] <MrBrownsword> i didnt fuckin say it was
[09:37] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: you attitude heavily implies so
[09:37] <MrBrownsword> no, my attitude is what i tis.  pissed of with these linux fanboys pretending linux is as easy as windows and 'my granny can use it'
[09:37] <MrBrownsword> whts that got to do with the end of the world?  just stating fucking facts
[09:38] <pmjdebruijn> thing why get so worked up about this at all
[09:38] <knome> MrBrownsword, please, stop.
[09:38] <pmjdebruijn> it does seem important in any sense
[09:38] <pmjdebruijn> doesn't*
[09:38] <gnrp> no mod here?
[09:38] <MrBrownsword> coz ive spent fucking hours trying to sort it out.  and people tell me its a breeze.
[09:39] <pmjdebruijn> MrBrownersword: so you had a bad experience, you still learnt linux isn't for you
[09:39] <pmjdebruijn> we didn't take your money, like apple would
[09:39] <MrBrownersword> its not for 99% of people.  and its free.  yet we still dont want it
[09:39] <pmjdebruijn> that's fine
[09:40] <gnrp> thanks^^
[09:41] <bodiccea> lol, it was interesting conversation :-)
[09:41] <bodiccea> Oh, knome, why did you have to do it twice ?
[09:41] <knome> bodiccea, a non-support, non-family-friendly conversation
[09:41] <knome> two clients.
[09:41] <bodiccea> ok.
[09:42] <Unit193> pmjdebruijn: That really doesn't help the situation..
[09:42] <gnrp> in principle, he is right. Terminals are a major turn-off for 99% of computer users. The question is if desktop linux has to serve their needs
[09:42] <knome> fwiw, if you want to continue this discussion in a civil manner, please take it to #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:42] <knome> hello Unit193
[09:42] <bodiccea> When I said " interesting :-) ", I meant funny.
[09:43] <gnrp> knome: tbh, that channel seems still a bit weird to me
[09:43] <gnrp> seems like it is a meeting point for xubuntu devs rather than for people hanging out around xubuntu
[09:43] <knome> gnrp, it is a channel for all talk that is not support questions.
[09:43] <knome> wait, xubuntu developers aren't "people hanging out around xubuntu" ? :)
[09:44] <gnrp> yes, but there is no 100% overlap of the two groups ;)
[09:44] <knome> of course not. but other people are more than welcome to join the discussion there too.
[09:45] <knome> gnrp, if we can lure you into that channel, we can continue the discussion about that channel too :P
[09:45] <gnrp> knome: I have been in there for some time. And I am again now. ;)
[09:54] <bodiccea> I have a question about xfce4-terminal. I use terminals 4-5 ways (local or remote session, root or not). I would like to have different colors for each. I was able to use text and bg colors, but not others (such as selection/cursor colors). There are some themes, I found how to create mine on some forums, but could not find an option to choose a theme on command-line. Is it possible ?
[09:56] <bodiccea> The equivalent of gnome-terminal "--profile" option I mean.
[09:56] <pmjdebruijn> gnrp: sure there isn't 100% parity
[09:56] <pmjdebruijn> but there is also a heavy bias of people having 10+ years of experience with windows
[09:57] <pmjdebruijn> so viewpoint really really do impact this discussion
[10:00] <pmjdebruijn> i really do wonder if that guy was sincere but incredibly immature, or he was trolling though
[10:01] <knome> pmjdebruijn, this discussion belongs to #xubuntu-offtopic too, but frustration can lead to aggressive behavior.
[10:01] <gnrp> I guess both
[10:02] <pmjdebruijn> gnrp: the difference is intent :)
[16:23] <qwebirc45364> hi. i have accidentally enable some sort of "zoom" on my xubuntu 17.10 laptop. How on earth do i get out? I really can't restart my laptop right now!
[16:25] <qwebirc45364> alt plus mouse wheel.
[16:26] <qwebirc45364> that is way too easy to hit accidentally.
[16:57] <diogenes_> qwebirc45364, that is a super useful feature btw and you can disable it
[22:22] <xubuntu91w> hi all
[22:22] <xubuntu91w> been using xubuntu 18.04 for a few days and have noticed some bugs in thunar
[22:22] <xubuntu91w> was wondering where i should report these bugs
[22:25] <brainwash> xubuntu91w: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/
[22:26] <brainwash> xubuntu91w: 18.04 still has the older thunar 1.6, so it would be best to test with 1.8 before reporting a new bug
[22:52] <xubuntu91w> brainwash: thanks
[22:53] <xubuntu91w> i presume 1.8 is available in ubuntu 19.04
[22:54] <Unit193> Correct.
[22:55] <xubuntu91w> thought that bug fixes were coming into the 1.6 branch while 1.8 was only for the porting to gtk3
[23:00] <brainwash> xubuntu91w: not every fix can be backported to 1.6
[23:01] <brainwash> the main focus is on 1.8
[23:01] <brainwash> so, what bugs are you encountering?
[23:16] <xubuntu91w> brainwash: one bug, which i noticed also in xubuntu 16.04 is at random times, one of my cpu cores would be maxed out for no apparent reason
[23:18] <xubuntu91w> another bug is with syncronization between the tree view and the file view. sometimes i've seen 3 copies of hidden folders appear. sometimes hidden files appear in file view but not in tree view. sometimes tree view is showing the hidden folders when they are not shown in the file view.
[23:19] <xubuntu91w> need to restart my router. will be back
[23:29] <xubuntu91w> i'm back :D
[23:31] <brainwash> xubuntu91w: maxed out by thunar?
[23:31] <xubuntu91w> yep 1 cpu core maxed out by thunar
[23:31] <xubuntu91w> it happens randomly but i've noticed it enough times
[23:32] <xubuntu91w> no idea what maybe causing it
[23:33] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10161
[23:34] <brainwash> or https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14900
[23:38] <xubuntu91w> silly router :D
[23:39] <brainwash> got the links?
[23:40] <xubuntu91w> yep got them
[23:40] <xubuntu91w> thanks
[23:40] <brainwash> I haven't checked if there is a report for the second issue
[23:40] <xubuntu91w> not sure that 14900 is it
[23:41] <xubuntu91w> fix for 10161 will becoming out in 1.6.16, so i can see if that solves it
[23:41] <xubuntu91w> assume this point release will come to xubuntu 18.04
[23:41] <brainwash> unlikely
[23:42] <brainwash> unless someone creates a bug report on launchpad
[23:42] <brainwash> !sru
[23:43] <brainwash> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/tree/NEWS?h=xfce-4.12
[23:46] <xubuntu91w> xenial came with 1.6.10 and 1.6.11 came in the updates, so i'm hopeful
[23:47] <xubuntu91w> brainwash: anyway to get xfce rolling on an ubuntu base, similar to how neon is with kde
[23:49] <brainwash> stable ubuntu base you mean?
[23:49] <Unit193> I push a lot of backports to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/staging?field.series_filter=bionic, but I stay away from anything that would require rebuilds (IOW, break repo versions.) which thunar, xfce4-panel, and xfconf (to some extent) would do.
[23:50] <xubuntu91w> brainwash: like linux mint uses the ubuntu base and updates cinammon and mate desktops each point release. unfortunately they dont do that with xfce
[23:53] <brainwash> right. it's quite some work to maintain a PPA with up-to-date components.
[23:54] <xubuntu91w> i tried a rolling release (manjaro) but had a bad experience, so i want a stable base
[23:56] <xubuntu91w> was using mate desktop with thunar for many years, but got tired of bugs in mate and now want only xfce