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| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: I should have asked, does it also (after some time say "autojack is running | 05:41 |
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| OvenWerks | "? | 05:41 |
| OvenWerks | (that would tell us controls has gotten a dbus message from autojack) | 05:42 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | I didn’t notice that. | 05:42 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | I can check tomorrow. | 05:42 |
| OvenWerks | I actually am surprised you answered tonight :) | 05:42 |
| OvenWerks | we just finished celebrating the "old fart's" Birthday. | 05:43 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | I got the ping on my iPad, where I was reading an article. | 05:43 |
| OvenWerks | GN | 05:43 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | GN! | 05:44 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Found a nasty bug, but basically it comes down to people installing ubuntustudio-gnome-branding on a deault Xfce install, which is pulling in all of GNOME and a few other things because people aren't reading that it's for the default Ubuntu install only. Removing it from -installer and conflicting ubuntustudio-gnome-branding with the ubuntustudio-look metapackage. | 17:29 |
| OvenWerks | does it have to depend on Gnome? | 17:31 |
| OvenWerks | Is it anything more than config files? | 17:31 |
| OvenWerks | If it doesn't break the package to remove the gnome depends, I would do that | 17:32 |
| Eickmeyer | In order to brand it with the gray background in gdm, it pulls in gnome-session. which pulls in the gnome dependencies. | 17:33 |
| Eickmeyer | But, since it's not part of -look but only an add-on, I'm making it unavailable to the default Xfce install, which makes sense. | 17:33 |
| OvenWerks | I will have to look at the package, to be honest I have had no interest in it because I find g-session unsuitable for my style of computing. | 17:36 |
| OvenWerks | Or perhaps because I suffer from Dyslexia... or something. | 17:36 |
| OvenWerks | ;) | 17:36 |
| Eickmeyer | Hehehe | 17:36 |
| OvenWerks | However, from what you have said, I do not see how it is more than just config files that without gnome would just sit and do nothing. | 17:37 |
| Eickmeyer | Unfortunately, GDM is taking over and changing the default to Gnome, causing people to get confused when they restart their computers. | 17:38 |
| Eickmeyer | Check all three questions by Juan: https://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/ubuntu-studio | 17:38 |
| OvenWerks | but do you have to add GDM to make it work? | 17:38 |
| Eickmeyer | No, gnome-session adds gdm as a dependency. | 17:38 |
| OvenWerks | right, that makes sense | 17:38 |
| Eickmeyer | Or, gnome-session adds gnome adds gdm. | 17:39 |
| OvenWerks | right, but for you to set the gdm backdrop to something, you only need to add a config file in some directory or is that not so? | 17:40 |
| OvenWerks | In other words does gdm have to be installed for the configuration to be sitting in the system? | 17:41 |
| OvenWerks | for example, for years the menu config file for both gnome and kde were sitting there even in a stock xfce install (don't know why) | 17:42 |
| OvenWerks | but they did nothing except take up (very little) space | 17:43 |
| Eickmeyer | Sadly, not anymore. It's all CSS now. | 17:43 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: on the other hand, we could change installer to not show packages that are not relevant | 17:43 |
| Eickmeyer | But, it's an "update-alternatives" to change from the default Ubuntu purple to gray. | 17:43 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: That's a good idea. Can installer ignore packages that would break or conflict? | 17:44 |
| OvenWerks | I tought ubuntu was orange... guess they changed it | 17:44 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: only if we make it that way | 17:44 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay. I removed it from installer for now, if we can make it ignore conflict or break, then that would serve the purpose. | 17:45 |
| OvenWerks | For that one case (and other like plasma) we should be able to look for files in /usr/share/xsessions/ | 17:46 |
| OvenWerks | right at the top of the script we set default_packages | 17:48 |
| OvenWerks | We could set it by making smaller strings and concatonating them | 17:48 |
| OvenWerks | strings could be added or not with simple if statements. | 17:49 |
| Eickmeyer | So "if exists /usr/share/xsessions/ubuntu.desktop | /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop then; show option ubuntustudio-gnome-branding" or cleaner code than I know how to wrote? | 17:49 |
| Eickmeyer | *write | 17:49 |
| OvenWerks | Ya something like that | 17:49 |
| OvenWerks | I have not really looked at it. | 17:49 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay. | 17:50 |
| OvenWerks | I would have to look up the tcl way of globbing :) | 17:51 |
| OvenWerks | (it would be the same for python or perl BTW) | 17:51 |
| Eickmeyer | Right. | 17:52 |
| OvenWerks | I need to at least finish the pulse bridge part of controls I am working on before I look at it. | 18:00 |
| Eickmeyer | No worries. | 18:25 |
| tsimonq2 | Eickmeyer: Need anything sponsored, while I'm patch piloting? | 18:32 |
| Eickmeyer | tsimonq2: I was working with vorlon on this, but we seem to have stalled as it installs a single library directly into /usr/lib: https://launchpad.net/lsp-plugins | 18:33 |
| Eickmeyer | I don't know what his rationalle is on that, considering it's not the only thing that installs a library there. | 18:34 |
| Eickmeyer | He just really didn't like it. | 18:34 |
| tsimonq2 | Eickmeyer: You can override that. | 18:39 |
| tsimonq2 | sec | 18:39 |
| Eickmeyer | k | 18:40 |
| OvenWerks | what kind of plugin are they? lv1, lv2 lxvst? | 18:41 |
| * OvenWerks is just wondering why they are not in /usr/lib/lv2 | 18:41 | |
| OvenWerks | maybe the dsp is separate from multiple wrappers | 18:42 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: RE: LV1, LV2, LXVST? Yes. | 18:50 |
| Eickmeyer | It's all. | 18:50 |
| Eickmeyer | But they're also standalone plugins that can be run directly from the command line and/or desktop. | 18:50 |
| OvenWerks | That is based on the build/dev kit it uses. | 18:51 |
| OvenWerks | dev once deploy x4 | 18:51 |
| OvenWerks | (it is probably also able to put out vst/macvst too | 18:52 |
| Eickmeyer | Not a bad way to do it, really. | 18:52 |
| Eickmeyer | It can also put out vst/winvst. | 18:52 |
| OvenWerks | juce or pugl | 18:52 |
| Eickmeyer | That I couldn't tell you. | 18:52 |
| Eickmeyer | I didn't see juce as sa dep.. | 18:53 |
| OvenWerks | I would guess the second then :) | 18:53 |
| OvenWerks | there may be others too | 18:53 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Looks like it's completely libgl and cairo. No sign of using anybody else's toolkit. No static linked libraries. Completely self-made. | 18:56 |
| OvenWerks | Could be | 18:57 |
| Eickmeyer | Either way, they did an excellent job. | 18:58 |
| * OvenWerks would like to see hexter as an lv2, I hear it sounds slightly different than dexed | 18:58 | |
| Eickmeyer | I mean, how many times do you see a 32-band parametric EQ? | 18:58 |
| OvenWerks | not many 3rd octave eq at all | 18:59 |
| OvenWerks | Though not sure why I would need 32 channels in any case. 10 already seems like overkill | 18:59 |
| * OvenWerks needs to note I do have the Harrison plugin set which includes a "Drawable" eq. | 19:00 | |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Heh, we have finally maxed-out the autobuilds repo. I just asked the Launchpad team if we could get a space bump. | 19:07 |
| OvenWerks | Are we keeping old versions of things we can delete? | 19:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, I just deleted some old Trusty stuff. | 19:08 |
| Eickmeyer | Just deleted anything pre-bionic. | 19:11 |
| Eickmeyer | Annnnd we're still beyond limit. | 19:12 |
| OvenWerks | remove any that are newer version available? | 19:59 |
| OvenWerks | remove any that are dups with backports? | 19:59 |
| Eickmeyer | It could be that we just need a bump. | 20:06 |
| Eickmeyer | Usually the launchpad folks are more than happy to oblige. tsimonq2 had done it before with lubuntu. | 20:06 |
| Eickmeyer | On another note, I accidentally corrupted the git repo for -look, so I'm working on restoring it now. | 20:06 |
| Eickmeyer | No idea how I did it, but may have lost the commit history. | 20:07 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: ^ | 20:07 |
| OvenWerks | Umm it's gone. | 20:09 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm reuploading it now. | 20:10 |
| * Eickmeyer thinks we should look at backing everything up to github. | 20:11 | |
| OvenWerks | If you have the git repo on your machine it should have the master at least | 20:11 |
| OvenWerks | with all the history | 20:11 |
| Eickmeyer | I have every branch. We're good. | 20:11 |
| OvenWerks | but it may not have the branches | 20:11 |
| OvenWerks | Ah ok | 20:12 |
| Eickmeyer | Just the history somehow got corrupted and wouldn't let me reupload, so I had to rebuild it. | 20:12 |
| Eickmeyer | I was able to switch between branches, just not push. | 20:12 |
| Eickmeyer | Only action I could take was to copy the master to a new local repo, branch it and add each branch back. | 20:13 |
| OvenWerks | git <something> --hard sounds right | 20:13 |
| Eickmeyer | We'll still have everything, just not the commit history. | 20:14 |
| OvenWerks | you should have the commit histroy in whatever you [push | 20:14 |
| Eickmeyer | Yes, but that's what got corrupted both on LP and locally. | 20:14 |
| OvenWerks | my last version of look is bzr | 20:16 |
| OvenWerks | Do you want me to try cloning it and back the commit off? | 20:16 |
| OvenWerks | (though I am not sure how to do that with no log) | 20:17 |
| OvenWerks | does git log work for you? | 20:17 |
| Eickmeyer | I think what I did will be enough. We still have the changelog for most of everything. | 20:17 |
| Eickmeyer | Git Log does work, so I might find a way to at least merge the logs since what I've got (and am uploading) is a new repo for all intents and purposes. | 20:18 |
| OvenWerks | so can you do a git reset to the last good commit? | 20:19 |
| Eickmeyer | Tried that, it failed. | 20:20 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay, it's up. I might be able to do a git push --force now. | 20:23 |
| OvenWerks | maybe not if everything is back and it seems to be. | 20:23 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay, it seems to be working. | 20:24 |
| Eickmeyer | Before it wasn't even letting me push at all. | 20:24 |
| Eickmeyer | Nope, it failed. | 20:32 |
| Eickmeyer | Oh, spoke too soon. | 20:32 |
| Eickmeyer | Not failing. I was looking at the wrong fail. | 20:32 |
| OvenWerks | Here is a ya it works but why? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEfhDqMup2Y | 20:34 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, what would you do with something like that? | 20:42 |
| Eickmeyer | Why not direct induction like most electric motors? There's no way that's more efficient. | 20:43 |
| OvenWerks | It is an electric motor.... with a lot of extra vibration... so why? | 20:43 |
| Eickmeyer | Exactly. Seems to defeat the purpose. | 20:43 |
| Eickmeyer | Cool concept, poor application. | 20:43 |
| OvenWerks | One of the things people have been trying to get rid of in recip engines forever is vibration... | 20:44 |
| Eickmeyer | Ugh, re-uploading our largest git repo (-look) is like watching paint dry. My upload is only ~100Kbps. | 20:46 |
| * Eickmeyer blames Comcast | 20:46 | |
| OvenWerks | That may be why it got broken in the first place. | 20:46 |
| Eickmeyer | Very possible. | 20:46 |
| Eickmeyer | Thankfully everything locally was still good, or so it seems. | 20:47 |
| Eickmeyer | Looks like things are getting back to normal. Fixing the backports now. | 21:15 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Everything is back to normal now. | 21:20 |
| OvenWerks | yup | 21:29 |
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