=== meetingology` is now known as meetingology [05:41] Eickmeyer: I should have asked, does it also (after some time say "autojack is running [05:41] "? [05:42] (that would tell us controls has gotten a dbus message from autojack) [05:42] I didn’t notice that. [05:42] I can check tomorrow. [05:42] I actually am surprised you answered tonight :) [05:43] we just finished celebrating the "old fart's" Birthday. [05:43] I got the ping on my iPad, where I was reading an article. [05:43] GN [05:44] GN! [17:29] OvenWerks: Found a nasty bug, but basically it comes down to people installing ubuntustudio-gnome-branding on a deault Xfce install, which is pulling in all of GNOME and a few other things because people aren't reading that it's for the default Ubuntu install only. Removing it from -installer and conflicting ubuntustudio-gnome-branding with the ubuntustudio-look metapackage. [17:31] does it have to depend on Gnome? [17:31] Is it anything more than config files? [17:32] If it doesn't break the package to remove the gnome depends, I would do that [17:33] In order to brand it with the gray background in gdm, it pulls in gnome-session. which pulls in the gnome dependencies. [17:33] But, since it's not part of -look but only an add-on, I'm making it unavailable to the default Xfce install, which makes sense. [17:36] I will have to look at the package, to be honest I have had no interest in it because I find g-session unsuitable for my style of computing. [17:36] Or perhaps because I suffer from Dyslexia... or something. [17:36] ;) [17:36] Hehehe [17:37] However, from what you have said, I do not see how it is more than just config files that without gnome would just sit and do nothing. [17:38] Unfortunately, GDM is taking over and changing the default to Gnome, causing people to get confused when they restart their computers. [17:38] Check all three questions by Juan: https://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/ubuntu-studio [17:38] but do you have to add GDM to make it work? [17:38] No, gnome-session adds gdm as a dependency. [17:38] right, that makes sense [17:39] Or, gnome-session adds gnome adds gdm. [17:40] right, but for you to set the gdm backdrop to something, you only need to add a config file in some directory or is that not so? [17:41] In other words does gdm have to be installed for the configuration to be sitting in the system? [17:42] for example, for years the menu config file for both gnome and kde were sitting there even in a stock xfce install (don't know why) [17:43] but they did nothing except take up (very little) space [17:43] Sadly, not anymore. It's all CSS now. [17:43] Eickmeyer: on the other hand, we could change installer to not show packages that are not relevant [17:43] But, it's an "update-alternatives" to change from the default Ubuntu purple to gray. [17:44] OvenWerks: That's a good idea. Can installer ignore packages that would break or conflict? [17:44] I tought ubuntu was orange... guess they changed it [17:44] Eickmeyer: only if we make it that way [17:45] Okay. I removed it from installer for now, if we can make it ignore conflict or break, then that would serve the purpose. [17:46] For that one case (and other like plasma) we should be able to look for files in /usr/share/xsessions/ [17:48] right at the top of the script we set default_packages [17:48] We could set it by making smaller strings and concatonating them [17:49] strings could be added or not with simple if statements. [17:49] So "if exists /usr/share/xsessions/ubuntu.desktop | /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop then; show option ubuntustudio-gnome-branding" or cleaner code than I know how to wrote? [17:49] *write [17:49] Ya something like that [17:49] I have not really looked at it. [17:50] Okay. [17:51] I would have to look up the tcl way of globbing :) [17:51] (it would be the same for python or perl BTW) [17:52] Right. [18:00] I need to at least finish the pulse bridge part of controls I am working on before I look at it. [18:25] No worries. [18:32] Eickmeyer: Need anything sponsored, while I'm patch piloting? [18:33] tsimonq2: I was working with vorlon on this, but we seem to have stalled as it installs a single library directly into /usr/lib: https://launchpad.net/lsp-plugins [18:34] I don't know what his rationalle is on that, considering it's not the only thing that installs a library there. [18:34] He just really didn't like it. [18:39] Eickmeyer: You can override that. [18:39] sec [18:40] k [18:41] what kind of plugin are they? lv1, lv2 lxvst? [18:41] * OvenWerks is just wondering why they are not in /usr/lib/lv2 [18:42] maybe the dsp is separate from multiple wrappers [18:50] OvenWerks: RE: LV1, LV2, LXVST? Yes. [18:50] It's all. [18:50] But they're also standalone plugins that can be run directly from the command line and/or desktop. [18:51] That is based on the build/dev kit it uses. [18:51] dev once deploy x4 [18:52] (it is probably also able to put out vst/macvst too [18:52] Not a bad way to do it, really. [18:52] It can also put out vst/winvst. [18:52] juce or pugl [18:52] That I couldn't tell you. [18:53] I didn't see juce as sa dep.. [18:53] I would guess the second then :) [18:53] there may be others too [18:56] OvenWerks: Looks like it's completely libgl and cairo. No sign of using anybody else's toolkit. No static linked libraries. Completely self-made. [18:57] Could be [18:58] Either way, they did an excellent job. [18:58] * OvenWerks would like to see hexter as an lv2, I hear it sounds slightly different than dexed [18:58] I mean, how many times do you see a 32-band parametric EQ? [18:59] not many 3rd octave eq at all [18:59] Though not sure why I would need 32 channels in any case. 10 already seems like overkill [19:00] * OvenWerks needs to note I do have the Harrison plugin set which includes a "Drawable" eq. [19:07] OvenWerks: Heh, we have finally maxed-out the autobuilds repo. I just asked the Launchpad team if we could get a space bump. [19:07] Are we keeping old versions of things we can delete? [19:08] Yeah, I just deleted some old Trusty stuff. [19:11] Just deleted anything pre-bionic. [19:12] Annnnd we're still beyond limit. [19:59] remove any that are newer version available? [19:59] remove any that are dups with backports? [20:06] It could be that we just need a bump. [20:06] Usually the launchpad folks are more than happy to oblige. tsimonq2 had done it before with lubuntu. [20:06] On another note, I accidentally corrupted the git repo for -look, so I'm working on restoring it now. [20:07] No idea how I did it, but may have lost the commit history. [20:07] OvenWerks: ^ [20:09] Umm it's gone. [20:10] I'm reuploading it now. [20:11] * Eickmeyer thinks we should look at backing everything up to github. [20:11] If you have the git repo on your machine it should have the master at least [20:11] with all the history [20:11] I have every branch. We're good. [20:11] but it may not have the branches [20:12] Ah ok [20:12] Just the history somehow got corrupted and wouldn't let me reupload, so I had to rebuild it. [20:12] I was able to switch between branches, just not push. [20:13] Only action I could take was to copy the master to a new local repo, branch it and add each branch back. [20:13] git --hard sounds right [20:14] We'll still have everything, just not the commit history. [20:14] you should have the commit histroy in whatever you [push [20:14] Yes, but that's what got corrupted both on LP and locally. [20:16] my last version of look is bzr [20:16] Do you want me to try cloning it and back the commit off? [20:17] (though I am not sure how to do that with no log) [20:17] does git log work for you? [20:17] I think what I did will be enough. We still have the changelog for most of everything. [20:18] Git Log does work, so I might find a way to at least merge the logs since what I've got (and am uploading) is a new repo for all intents and purposes. [20:19] so can you do a git reset to the last good commit? [20:20] Tried that, it failed. [20:23] Okay, it's up. I might be able to do a git push --force now. [20:23] maybe not if everything is back and it seems to be. [20:24] Okay, it seems to be working. [20:24] Before it wasn't even letting me push at all. [20:32] Nope, it failed. [20:32] Oh, spoke too soon. [20:32] Not failing. I was looking at the wrong fail. [20:34] Here is a ya it works but why? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEfhDqMup2Y [20:42] Yeah, what would you do with something like that? [20:43] Why not direct induction like most electric motors? There's no way that's more efficient. [20:43] It is an electric motor.... with a lot of extra vibration... so why? [20:43] Exactly. Seems to defeat the purpose. [20:43] Cool concept, poor application. [20:44] One of the things people have been trying to get rid of in recip engines forever is vibration... [20:46] Ugh, re-uploading our largest git repo (-look) is like watching paint dry. My upload is only ~100Kbps. [20:46] * Eickmeyer blames Comcast [20:46] That may be why it got broken in the first place. [20:46] Very possible. [20:47] Thankfully everything locally was still good, or so it seems. [21:15] Looks like things are getting back to normal. Fixing the backports now. [21:20] OvenWerks: Everything is back to normal now. [21:29] yup