[00:24] <ghjghj> sudo
[00:24] <ghjghj> sudo join
[00:24] <ghjghj> ls
[00:24] <ghjghj> cd
[00:24] <ghjghj> cd
[00:24] <ghjghj> cd
[01:04] <Laurel> lubuntu 19 uses LQXt or something, and 18 doesnt?  So even thought 18 has long term support, 19 is 'better' ?
[01:04] <Laurel> even though*
[01:08] <wxl[m]> Laurel: correct. When 20.04 is out, we'll have LTS LXQt
[01:20] <Laurel> Good.  By the way, how do I update this os? (19).   any gui ?
[01:21] <Laurel> Also, I expect 20.04 to be brilliant, 19 has already blown me away with it speed and looks. I just hope the devs remember.. Keep it slow!   dont go adding to much sacrificing speed.   For me, on my 1gb ram netbook, the 'discover' app wont run.
[01:22] <Laurel> keep it fast *  lol
[01:25] <Laurel> i can only see 'check for updates' in muon installer.  hope that covers everything.  cant figure out how to do OS updates seperately
[03:55] <ShamblinMounds> Hi
[03:55] <ShamblinMounds> Puppy, Xubuntu, or Lubuntu.   can decide..  cos they all do some things good and some things bad
[04:07] <ShamblinMounds> ?????????  no reply??   no suprise.   why even bother having these rooms open, seriously
[04:18] <wxl> ShamblinMounds: sorry we can't be available at your beck and call at all times, but we do have personal lives. none of us are getting paid for this, after all.
[04:18] <wxl> ShamblinMounds: that said, i'd avoid puppy like the plague. it's a frankenstein's monster of a linux distro.
[04:19] <ShamblinMounds> sorry, it just surprises me these rooms are jam packed an silent..
[04:19] <wxl> it's true all across freenode
[04:19] <wxl> and oftc
[04:19] <wxl> and every other irc network there is that provides support via chat
[04:19] <ShamblinMounds> Why is puppy so bad? i mean to a newbie like me they al llook like a monster
[04:20] <ShamblinMounds> yea, it strue across all of freenode i noticed.  not sure other sites are as bad.  they must put something in the water here
[04:20] <wxl> because puppy is cobbled together in such a weird fashion that nothing about it is applicable to any other distro, so if you spend some time with it and find you don't like it, nothing you learned will be useful elsewhere
[04:20] <wxl> debian channels on oftc are no different
[04:21] <ShamblinMounds> hmm..
[04:21] <wxl> anyways if you're trying to figure out which flavor of ubuntu is right, just boot a live image and try for yourself
[04:21] <ShamblinMounds> i just wish i knew which one to  get into.
[04:21] <wxl> obviously we're going to be oriented towards lubuntu so it's not really a fair question here
[04:21] <wxl> (or on any other channel)
[04:22] <ShamblinMounds> i did,  ive tried al lthree. lubuntu woreked damn fast earlier.  but now the websites keep freezung, and the youtube player wont work.    so i guess it snot very stable
[04:22] <ShamblinMounds> it was good yesterday.. and really bad today
[04:22] <wxl> and honestly if you go anywhere else (say ##linux for example) and ask "which distro is the best" answers wll range from vehement praise for some and diatribes against others to more wise advice that no one can tell you what's best for you
[04:22] <ShamblinMounds> unless i installed some #'wrong'  updates.  but since no one is here most of the time i just have to try to do it myself.  and i really cant
[04:23] <wxl> the modern web is a terribly taxing thing. how much ram do you have?
[04:23] <ShamblinMounds> so now i am going to triple boot lubuntu, xubuntu, puppy.. maybe bhodi...  just tr yto find one that works w=for what i need
[04:23] <ShamblinMounds> i have 1gn net book.  my point is. yetster day chromium wokred well.. and i used smtube t oplay youtube videos via vlc
[04:23] <ShamblinMounds> it was a godo set up.  today they all failed
[04:24] <wxl> 1gb is not much for the modern web
[04:24] <ShamblinMounds> and i cant get enough help t osort it out.. so i have to jump to another os.. and round and round it goes
[04:24] <wxl> especially if you're doing anything else
[04:24] <ShamblinMounds> as i said... its enough yesterday
[04:24] <ShamblinMounds> one website at a time.. it was good
[04:24] <ShamblinMounds> today, it cant do anytthing
[04:24] <wxl> which website doesn't work?
[04:24] <wxl> in what browser?
[04:24] <wxl> on what version of lubuntu?
[04:25] <ShamblinMounds> none.  it tried eifferent ones..  today it  kust freezes
[04:25] <wxl> and in what way does it "not work?"
[04:25] <ShamblinMounds> as i said....  chromium
[04:25] <ShamblinMounds> FREEZES
[04:25] <wxl> pick one then
[04:25] <ShamblinMounds> lubuntu 19
[04:25] <ShamblinMounds> pick what?
[04:25] <wxl> a website
[04:25] <wxl> i assume that you can load chromium without problem?
[04:25] <ShamblinMounds> yes, btu then any website seems to make it freeze
[04:25] <ShamblinMounds> and yesterday it was Fine and snappy
[04:25] <ShamblinMounds> and yesterday my smtub eworked.. today it doesnt
[04:26] <ShamblinMounds> soemthings gone wrong
[04:26] <wxl> have you tried running them from te command line?
[04:26] <ShamblinMounds> the difference is night and day
[04:26] <ShamblinMounds> no
[04:26] <ShamblinMounds> i have no idea how to, or what benefit that owuld give
[04:26] <wxl> do that and see what it spits out
[04:26] <ShamblinMounds> i dont have it on at moment.  installing xubuntu along side it
[04:27] <wxl> it's hard to help you when you're not capable of answering questions about your problems :)
[04:27] <ShamblinMounds> i did
[04:27] <ShamblinMounds> in fact some of them i asnwered 3 times
[04:28] <wxl> well when you have it available again, feel free to come back
[04:28] <ShamblinMounds> when xubuntu finishes installing ill turn lubuntu back on
[04:28] <ShamblinMounds> if anyone is alive here
[04:29] <wxl> one thing to point out: lubuntu and xubuntu *ARE* ubuntu, at least if we define ubuntu as the software repositories. each flavor, then, including ubuntu itself, is just a selection of those pieces of software
[04:30] <wxl> that said, for very general problems that probably have little to do with the specifics of lubuntu (this should be the case with browsers, for example), you could probably hit up #ubuntu. there's a lot more people there and you have a better chance of finding someone to help
[04:30] <ShamblinMounds> either way i dont understand htem both.  i just need easy menus and .exe files.   cant be done in linux it seems.  I am amazed thought just how fast lubuntu runs on the 1gb netbook, when it works.   its like soucery
[04:30] <wxl> also ##linux is a good general place, though you might not find anyone readily familiar with the ubuntu ecosystem
[04:30] <ShamblinMounds> sourcery
[04:31] <wxl> nope, just cleanliness
[04:31] <ShamblinMounds> you think lubuntu 18 is better choice than 19?
[04:31] <wxl> that said, i will point out again that 1gb is very little to work with for the modern web
[04:31] <ShamblinMounds> im on 19, maybe thts why its freezing.  too new
[04:32] <ShamblinMounds> and once again.. im well ware of that.. and again. it was fine yesterday, on the very same websites
[04:32] <wxl> 19.04's particular desktop environment has been through several iterations
[04:32] <ShamblinMounds> as was smtube.  its just gone very wrong today
[04:32] <wxl> not to mention upstream has had it through many more
[04:32] <wxl> there are a whole plethora of distributions using it
[04:32] <wxl> it's actively developed
[04:32] <wxl> the one in 18.04 is pretty much dead and has been for years
[04:32] <wxl> so, no, i wouldn't recommend it
[04:32] <ShamblinMounds> ok
[04:33] <ShamblinMounds> well as i say, when it works.. its amazing.. including websurfing.  i know waht it can do.  it did it yesterday.. but now its all gone south
[04:33] <wxl> the fact that you have more than one application— including one that is not known to consume the amount of resources of a browser— failing suggests some other more global issue
[04:34] <wxl> what else did you do yesterday? did you make any changes to the configuration?
[04:34] <ShamblinMounds> i actually did a fresh non dual boot install i was so impressed.  i didnt do anything different with this new install though.. so ive no idea what went wrong
[04:34] <ShamblinMounds> i dont recall doing anything different, went in muio or somertihng... selected full update or something
[04:34] <ShamblinMounds> installed chromium, smtube
[04:34] <ShamblinMounds> and it was blazing yesterday
[04:34] <wxl> and then what did you do after that?
[04:34] <ShamblinMounds> did the same today, and its freezing
[04:35] <ShamblinMounds> then as i said.....
[04:35] <wxl> so you did nothing but browser?
[04:35] <ShamblinMounds> i put a fresh pos in today,m with the same steps
[04:35] <ShamblinMounds> and its no good
[04:35] <ShamblinMounds> browser and smtube
[04:35] <ShamblinMounds> as i said
[04:35] <wxl> so you had a new install that worked.. and then it didn't
[04:35] <wxl> and then you did another new install.. and it didn't work?
[04:36] <ShamblinMounds> a new instal lthat worked.  then a =nother new install to remove my dual boot
[04:36] <ShamblinMounds> and that one didnt work
[04:36] <wxl> cuz if following the same steps produces different results, that suggest some deeper issue
[04:36] <ShamblinMounds> no.. the first install was fine
[04:36] <wxl> how did you download the iso and from where?
[04:36] <ShamblinMounds> same place as the first iso
[04:36] <ShamblinMounds> and it was fine firs ttime
[04:36] <wxl> specifics, please
[04:36] <ShamblinMounds> i cant remember
[04:37] <wxl> ok well i'm going to give you some general advice
[04:37] <ShamblinMounds> lubuntu-19.04-desktop-amd64
[04:37] <wxl>  1. only download from lubuntu.me
[04:37] <ShamblinMounds> it was fine yesterday
[04:37] <ShamblinMounds> i think thats where i did download it from
[04:37] <wxl>  2. try to avoid doing http downloads. use zsync or torrents only. if you can't do that for some reason, make 100% sure that you check the hashes of the image against the published hashes.
[04:38] <ShamblinMounds> no idea
[04:39] <wxl>  3. be careful about which tools you use to create the installation media. many of them produce poor results. i'd generally recommend dd, although it's a little advanced. mkusb is another alternative.
[04:39] <wxl>  4. when you boot the installation media, select the option to check for defects. if it fails, start all over again.
[04:40] <ShamblinMounds> i use rufus.  dd image.  never had issue before.  done it many times
[04:41] <wxl>  5. if you do all that and still have the problems, then come back with the specific website and/or video that causes problems and the output of running in terminal. it might also be good to check general networking. runnig the likes of `ping lubuntu.me` in terminal might be instructive (btw that's a windows command so it shouldn't be such a learning experience)
[04:42] <ShamblinMounds> mos twindows users dont know windows commands either.  i dont
[04:42] <ShamblinMounds> and agian. ther eisnt a specific website.
[04:42] <wxl> then pick one
[04:42] <wxl> just pick one
[04:42] <ShamblinMounds> it just frezing and wasnt yesterday
[04:42] <wxl> follow all the steps above and if you end up there, come back with an example.. not every example. just one.
[04:43] <ShamblinMounds> and the smtube tyoutube app.  as connecting ok yesterday. but now vlc player gives error and nothing connects
[04:43] <wxl> and any time you have errors, saying there's an error is pointless. we need to know what the error is.
[04:43] <ShamblinMounds> i dont know how tpo hse terminal.  its like heiroglyphics to me
[04:43] <wxl> the other thing i would suggest if you still have these problems is to paste up your log file at /var/log/syslog. if there's a networking issue it will be apparent
[04:43] <wxl>  1. open the terminal
[04:44] <wxl>  2. type a command
[04:44] <wxl>  3. hit enter
[04:44] <wxl>  4. done
[04:44] <ShamblinMounds> 'type a command'
[04:44] <ShamblinMounds> thats not easy
[04:44] <wxl> ...... like "ping lubuntu.me"
[04:44] <ShamblinMounds> but as long as people tell me what to do i can copy and paste it
[04:44] <ShamblinMounds> otherwise ive have no chance
[04:44] <wxl> well i just did
[04:44] <wxl> soooooo
[04:44] <ShamblinMounds> i mean in general
[04:44] <ShamblinMounds> thought that was obvious
[04:45] <ShamblinMounds> and im still waiting for xubuntu to instlal
[04:45] <ShamblinMounds> hope i cna even access this webpage in lubuntu,  otherwise no chance of copy and paste anything
[04:46] <wxl> finally one last thing: i have downloaded and burnt thousands of images without fail. but i have occassionally had problems due to download errors or copy errors. they do happen. just because you haven't had problems doesn't mean you won't. the best way to be sure is to do the necessary checks i mentioned in #2 and #4. these are described in every single manual anywhere. heck, windows suggests the same for
[04:46] <wxl> their images they have for download.
[04:46] <wxl> or you could just copy the necessary files to a usb
[04:46] <ShamblinMounds> ok.   but the same iso was really fine yesterday
[04:46] <wxl> or open it up in a phone
[04:46] <wxl> or another computer
[04:46] <wxl> you have no way of knowing it was the same iso if you downloaded it again
[04:47] <ShamblinMounds> i didntr. was ok my desktop
[04:47] <wxl> you could have a single bit download error that could cause all sorts of weird problems
[04:47] <ShamblinMounds> on*
[04:47] <wxl> same with the copy errors
[04:47] <ShamblinMounds> i dont know
[04:47] <wxl> you said you downloaded the second iso from "the same place [you] downloaded the first iso"
[04:48] <ShamblinMounds> no i didnt
[04:48] <wxl> then you should make sure you DO know
[04:48] <wxl> check the hashes
[04:48] <wxl> check the media for defects
[04:48] <ShamblinMounds> i left it on my desktop for three days
[04:49] <wxl> 2136 < wxl:#lubuntu> how did you download the iso and from where?
[04:49] <wxl> 2136 < ShamblinMounds:#lubuntu> same place as the first iso
[04:49] <ShamblinMounds> well it was.  beleive me or not.  its the same iso
[04:49] <ShamblinMounds> only downloaded it once
[04:49] <wxl> so if it was faulty, then you just kept using a fauly one
[04:49] <wxl> did you check the hashes?
[04:49] <wxl> and this was an http download?
[04:50] <ShamblinMounds> no. i neve rdo that before. and it worled like a chamr yesterday
[04:50] <ShamblinMounds> no idea
[04:50] <ShamblinMounds> just downloaded with my download manager
[04:50] <wxl> it worked like a charm until it didn't
[04:50] <wxl> which means it didn't work
[04:50] <ShamblinMounds> it neve rstoed working like a charm
[04:50] <wxl> so follow those steps i gave you next time
[04:50] <ShamblinMounds> i jus tput a fresh install to overwrite my dual boot
[04:50] <ShamblinMounds> as i said
[04:50] <wxl> if you do those first four steps you will be able to confidently say there is nothing wrong with your installation and the problem lies in the software itself
[04:51] <ShamblinMounds> i thought it was good enough to remove windows and use lubuntu only
[04:51] <ShamblinMounds> so i did a fresh install
[04:51] <wxl> otherwise, you leave the option open
[04:51] <ShamblinMounds> now its working badly
[04:51] <wxl> i've seen it often, to be honest
[04:51] <wxl> i've followed people down a rabbit hole of strange problems only to find they didn't do the necessary checks.. and after doing them.. surprise, no problems
[04:51] <ShamblinMounds> wel live no idea how to has check or whatee rsle im supposed t odo
[04:51] <ShamblinMounds> ive alrqedy go tthe iso on my desktop
[04:51] <wxl> did you read the manual?
[04:51] <ShamblinMounds> right click it an dcheck how ?
[04:51] <ShamblinMounds> no
[04:52] <wxl> well that's usually a good place to start
[04:52] <ShamblinMounds> maunual on linu are usually 5000 pages of hirpglyphics
[04:52] <wxl> yeah ok
[04:52] <ShamblinMounds> cant be doing that, sorry
[04:52] <wxl> that seems logical
[04:52] <wxl> i've heard a certain phrase about making assumptions.....
[04:52] <wxl> https://manual.lubuntu.me/1/Installing_lubuntu.html
[04:52] <ShamblinMounds> i refuse to leartn the linux system.  just want to use it then forget about it
[04:53] <ShamblinMounds> i know what learning linux takes.  and i will not do it
[04:53] <ShamblinMounds> i dont mind learning basic stuff
[04:53] <ShamblinMounds> but not the rest
[04:53] <wxl> there's no "learning the linux system" involved in an installation
[04:53] <ShamblinMounds> thats ok then
[04:53] <wxl> but if you create mental blocks for yourself, you're just going to be your own worst enemy
[04:53] <ShamblinMounds> no. 'normal' learning curves are ok. i dont mind
[04:54] <ShamblinMounds> most of  linux thought is not normal and i absulotely refuse to ge tinto it
[04:54] <ShamblinMounds> just want t ouse it.  if possible
[04:54] <wxl> but you assume that the manual is "5000 pages of hirpglyphics [sp]"
[04:54] <ShamblinMounds> but sure.. i can rea dinstallation instructons
[04:54] <wxl> if you want it super easy, go buy installation media
[04:54] <wxl> someone will do all the work of checking for you
[04:54] <ShamblinMounds> ive had many poccasions when learning linux from a link someone gave me is like that.  its awful
[04:54] <wxl> otherwise, read
[04:54] <ShamblinMounds> ill raed if its reasonable
[04:55] <ShamblinMounds> otherwise not
[04:55] <wxl> no one outside of people in your immediate proximity can do this stuff for you
[04:55] <wxl> so either you do it or you don't
[04:55] <wxl> that's your choice
[04:55] <ShamblinMounds> if its wondows level manula., fine
[04:55] <ShamblinMounds> if its goes into heiroglyphics.  the nno way
[04:56] <wxl> you mean like this manual? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/256986/windows-registry-information-for-advanced-users
[04:56] <ShamblinMounds> i neve rhave t omess with the registry.  jus tinsall and use
[04:56] <ShamblinMounds> linux has to mess with termilanl every 10 minutes it seems
[04:56] <ShamblinMounds> thats my point
[04:56] <wxl> how did you get the installation media?
[04:56] <ShamblinMounds> i refuse ot learn it
[04:56] <wxl> in windows?
[04:56] <ShamblinMounds> i just get a physical disk or download it
[04:57] <ShamblinMounds> my lubuntu iso is on windows desktop yea
[04:57] <wxl> so you bought the physical disc
[04:57] <ShamblinMounds> not lubuntu
[04:57] <ShamblinMounds> windows.  in th epast
[04:57] <ShamblinMounds> or sometimes downloaded
[04:57] <wxl> so why not buy a lubuntu disc and be done with it? then you won't have to worry yourself with ancient egyptian
[04:57] <ShamblinMounds> and ive never had a hash chcke problem in my life.
[04:58] <ShamblinMounds> coz i just want an os to run this 1gb netbook.  i dont wan a huge fuss
[04:58] <wxl> did you not listen to me before? they don't happen all the time, but they do happen some of the time. just because they didn't happen doesn't mean they won't. just because you've never hurt yourself doesn't mean you won't.
[04:58] <ShamblinMounds> im in thailand.,  not getting an lubuntu instalation disk sent here. madness
[04:58] <wxl> are you sure?
[04:58] <wxl> have you looked?
[04:58] <ShamblinMounds> ok.. il check it..
[04:59] <ShamblinMounds> if i can figure out how
[04:59] <wxl> if you can't figure out how to find someone to give your money to something is most certainly wrong XD
[04:59] <ShamblinMounds> wat?
[05:00] <ShamblinMounds> look ,im not a hobbyist.  thist might be fun for you but it isnt to me
[05:00] <wxl> https://www.osdisc.com/products/lubuntu
[05:00] <ShamblinMounds> this is why i usually avoid linux.  u HAVE to be a hobysit to configure it
[05:00] <ShamblinMounds> i dont want a hard copy !
[05:00] <wxl> then you're going to have to check the hashes and the installation media
[05:00] <ShamblinMounds> and i cant see any hash check instructions in that manual
[05:00] <wxl> so if you don't want it easy, then you have to do the work to check things
[05:00] <ShamblinMounds> HOW
[05:01] <wxl> read the section about http downloads
[05:01] <ShamblinMounds> im on windows. no comand line to be able to verify it
[05:01] <wxl> did you click the linked page in there?
[05:01] <ShamblinMounds> no
[05:02] <ShamblinMounds> how do i know ot click it
[05:02] <wxl> because it's a link
[05:02] <wxl> and that's what they're for
[05:02] <ShamblinMounds> there are many links there
[05:02] <ShamblinMounds> how do i knwo wat one to use
[05:02] <wxl> there was one link but ok
[05:03] <ShamblinMounds> ah. heiroglypihics
[05:03] <ShamblinMounds> this works on windows?
[05:03] <wxl> there are sha256 programs for windows, yes
[05:03] <ShamblinMounds> doesnt matter.  i dont know if im suppsoed to read the manual. or click a link.  why isnt that easy t osee?
[05:03] <wxl> i don't know
[05:03] <ShamblinMounds> actually. never mind
[05:03] <wxl> "manual" is at the top of every page on lubuntu.me
[05:04] <ShamblinMounds> thanks for your time..  this is NUTS.  havnet even done anything yet and it takes 30 minuts just to look at a 'hash check'.  this is not what my life is about.  no way
[05:04] <ShamblinMounds> cheers
[05:04] <wxl> ok good luck
[05:04] <ShamblinMounds> don tneed it with windows or ubuntu original
[05:04] <wxl> you dooooo
[05:05] <wxl> you just have gotten lucky so far
[05:05] <ShamblinMounds> nope.  ythey are ust desinged well enough fo rcommon people to use
[05:05] <wxl> no, they are designed the exact same way
[05:05] <ShamblinMounds> ubuntu usd to suck to.. but since im no fanyboy, and unbiased.,  i can say these days it svery nice
[05:05] <wxl> they use http which does not have 100% error checking
[05:05] <ShamblinMounds> linux mint is ok.  the res tare awfulk
[05:06] <ShamblinMounds> well, i mnot takking about hash checks. im talking about the os itself
[05:06] <wxl> this is also true with just about every single image copy utility
[05:06] <wxl> but you're assuming this is an OS issue when you haven't even confirmed you started out with valid installation media
[05:06] <ShamblinMounds> i cant be botherd frankly. its jus ttoo much work and reading.
[05:06] <ShamblinMounds> not worth it
[05:06] <wxl> like i said, good luck
[05:07] <ShamblinMounds> dont need it with ewindows or ubuntu
[05:07] <wxl> believe what you want
[05:07] <ShamblinMounds> im sure the iso isnt the problem
[05:07] <ShamblinMounds> so im not spending 5 hours checking it
[05:07] <ShamblinMounds> just no tworth it
[05:07] <wxl> i'm not sure why you're still arguing about it if you've made up your mind?
[05:07] <ShamblinMounds> u answer i answer
[05:08] <wxl> ok, wow. good night.
[06:05] <zap0> i upgraded 18.10 to 19.04 and it looked like it failed..  i presume somewhere near the end.. it took hrs..  and then just returned to a prompt with the last 10 lines saying it failed
[06:05] <zap0> i reboot..  for the hell of it.   and now it's 19.04
 ✋
 hello guys
[10:38] <diogenes_> hi
 i'm using Ubuntu 18.10
 I always keep seeing these 4 desktops
 I'm happy with 2 Desktops at max..
 How can I configure these?
 I tried configuring them but in vain
[10:40] <diogenes_> you mean workspaces?
 yup
 yes workspaces
[10:44] <diogenes_> have a look at this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/616522/how-can-i-remove-the-second-desktop-on-lubuntu
 looking..
 just a thought, all these links being shared on the group - should be put in an Wiki Help / FAQ page
 thanks done
 🤟🏽
[10:45] <diogenes_> yw
[10:46] <diogenes_> and if all the info was in the wiki / FAQ then we would be deprived from having a nice conversation from time to time :)
 @tsimonq2 [As of right now, the Lubuntu Constitution is put into effect, as noted here: htt …], do we have options to suggest changes?
 @diogenes_ [<diogenes_> and if all the info was in the wiki / FAQ then we would be deprived …], that's true as well ...
 some bots can so the tricks :)
[10:47] <diogenes_> no bot could ever replace a live person.
 just collecting links thats' all :)
 @tsimonq2 [As of right now, the Lubuntu Constitution is put into effect, as noted here: htt …], How do we apply for Social media manager?
 Maybe it's just me but as much as im into conspiracies, you might want to not go anon on the name if you're going that route. Just fyi.
 Then again maybe you're going for the actual phone number but still ha, you might want to reconsider the username.
 Regarding your question though we have standup meetings every Thursday at 5 pm edt in this chat so you might want to ask during that meeting when it's your turn
 right... so well... I'm unsure at this moment to call out my name - until i'm sure the destination is on the same route :)
 so, that being said - is there an invite floating around for the meeting?
[15:44] <MeatsackApogee> im going to try 19.10 (Eoan Ermine)
[15:44] <MeatsackApogee> it better work
[15:48] <MeatsackApogee> how to install updates with this system? all updates.  doe it check it self automatically ?
[15:55] <MeatsackApogee> How to install updates?
 sudo apt update
 sudo apt upgrade
 that should do from command line
 else go to System Tools > Discover.
[15:58] <MeatsackApogee> ok thanks.  discover doesnt work for me. always freezes.
[15:58] <MeatsackApogee> you recommend 19.10 or better to use 19.04 ?
 If you need a really really stable thing
 go for 18.10
[16:00] <MeatsackApogee> but thats way different?
[16:00] <MeatsackApogee> 19 is totally different i heard.  the new way
 well.. it's both Qt for apps
 what version are you using now?
[16:01] <MeatsackApogee> plus 18.10 isnt there.  just 18.4.2
[16:01] <MeatsackApogee> i wa on 19.04.  now trying 19.10
 my bad
[16:01] <MeatsackApogee> qt for apps?
 go for 19.10
[16:01] <MeatsackApogee> dunno wat u mean
 go for 19.10.
[16:01] <MeatsackApogee> hmm ok
 Stable release
[16:01] <MeatsackApogee> nightly.. i thought was more unstable
 wait..
[16:02] <MeatsackApogee> warned me on the website
 👨🏽‍💻
 https://lubuntu.me/downloads/
 19.04
 confirmed
 19.04
 🥶
[16:03] <MeatsackApogee> ?  so use 19.04 ?
 yes
[16:03] <MeatsackApogee> hmm
 and you are alraedy using that.. correct?
[16:04] <MeatsackApogee> yea but doesnt work well.  will reinstall
 what's your system config?
[16:04] <MeatsackApogee> last chance.  then i will just give up
 if I can help you do some fixes there..
 and what' all is not working / hanging?
[16:04] <MeatsackApogee> acer aspire one d255  1gb ram
 oh 1 GB Ram
[16:05] <MeatsackApogee> well. only the 'discover'app was hagning yesterday. spose i can live without it
 did you try updates using command line?
[16:05] <MeatsackApogee> I was able to use youtube via smtube and vlc player very well.. yeterday.. but it wont connect today.
[16:05] <MeatsackApogee> plus yesterday i was able to use chromium boroiwser very well... but it hang stoday
[16:05] <MeatsackApogee> so i'' do a fresh instal.. the ntry your update commands
 well, network is one of the issue I also faced.
 In fact try update command and then re-install if required
 Chrome is a memory eater so expect that
[16:07] <MeatsackApogee> hmm?  well chromium is faster than firefox.  and it was blazing yesterday.  try it
 I'm using all the browsers possible...
[16:07] <MeatsackApogee> i as able to surf pretty weill with just 1gb if i have one tab open only... but not youtube of course.
 hmm
[16:08] <MeatsackApogee> thats why
 try Opera for that?
[16:08] <MeatsackApogee> i need smtube and vlc
 or firefox?
 smtube huh.. don't know about that...
[16:08] <MeatsackApogee> firefox was worse.  chromium is best ive seen so far imo
[16:08] <MeatsackApogee> for this os
 oh okay
 well try the updates see if it helps
[16:08] <MeatsackApogee> smtube lets you browse youtube via it sapp. then plays then in vlc.  much easier on the ram
[16:08] <MeatsackApogee> when it works..
 I will try that - thanks
[16:09] <MeatsackApogee> welcome boss.  if thi sset up works.  the 1gb ram machine is actually usable.
[16:09] <MeatsackApogee> chromium was flying yesterday
[16:09] <MeatsackApogee> and 260p youtube videos were lag free
[16:10] <MeatsackApogee> just smtube wont let me open all videos though.. copyrights i guess
 hmm
 if it still doesn't work - I would suggest to move to DSL (Damn Small Linux)
[16:11] <MeatsackApogee> imo if people are spending years developing a lightwieght os.  then add these features properly.  make a decent videpo streamer/browser app so we can watch videos without having to fire up the browser
[16:11] <MeatsackApogee> it would be a hit
[16:11] <MeatsackApogee> then use the lightweight broswer for normal browsing
[16:11] <MeatsackApogee> the nold dea dmachine can be bought back to life
[16:12] <MeatsackApogee> smtube seems the only good optin at moment though.  limited to youtube only, and not all its content
[16:12] <MeatsackApogee> i  tried dsl earlier... the network connection option was missing from my menu... so i forgot that one pretty fast.   thier connection instructions arent even sufficient
 It's a bit to have everything for everyone. But trust me I have 8 Gigs of Ram but I still love Lubuntu - the reason it let's me do hell lot of things. If I would have Ubuntu or Fedora instead - it's a kind of kill for my system. … But try different falvours of Linux - Lubuntu should do, but just incase it still causes problem you
[16:14] <MeatsackApogee> dsl i couldnrt ene connect.  i hate faling right off he bat.  and not my fault either.  just bad instructions.  no wifi connecter where they say to look
[16:14] <MeatsackApogee> lubuntu is my fave .. but still wont work properly.
 hmm
[16:14] <MeatsackApogee> faster than xubuntu though.. other wise id use xubuntu
 hmm
[16:15] <MeatsackApogee> tried bhodi.  that also had wifi issues..  then when i did start the wifi app. it wouldnt connect 50% of time
 MeatsackApogee: have you tried lubuntu 18.04? the last LTS
 is not with lxqt, it is with lxde
[16:16] <MeatsackApogee> no.. i hear it was totally dfferent.,  old system
 Yeah, that's what I wanted to suggest. Thanks @HMollerCl
[16:16] <MeatsackApogee> whats the difference
 only the UI for you.
 rest speed and everything was awesome!
[16:17] <MeatsackApogee> as fast as 19.04?
[16:17] <MeatsackApogee> and can run the same apps ?
 a bit faster, and less resource insentive. I would say.
[16:17] <MeatsackApogee> wow..
[16:17] <MeatsackApogee> can run smtube with vlc ?
 not sure about smtube
[16:18] <MeatsackApogee> hmm
 don't know smtube
 but vlc for sure
[16:18] <MeatsackApogee> it an app in teh store in 19.04
[16:18] <MeatsackApogee> maybe its in 18 too
 This is the latest update on v18 : 18.04.2 Bionic Beaver LTS (LXDE)
 if it's in store, it should be.
[16:18] <MeatsackApogee> i dont know
[16:18] <MeatsackApogee> im scared
[16:19] <MeatsackApogee> not really..  lol
[16:19] <MeatsackApogee> ill try it on a live usb see how it goes
 but smtube can be downloaded... I saw the command line way to do it on their website
 Yo!!
[16:19] <MeatsackApogee> if you are sure its faster than 19.04.  even better for my 1gb machine
 Yes. I personally believe 18.04 was faster than what I use now. I had it running in 500 gigs of ram.
[16:21] <MeatsackApogee> 500 mb ?
 0.5 Gigs
 for very old machines is better, is the las with 32bit version too.
[16:21] <MeatsackApogee> hmm others say its better to go with the new one.   i think maybe go with 18.. and wait until 20 lts
 :)
[16:22] <MeatsackApogee> let the hobbyists  fine tune 19 first
 and if you can, try to upgrade ram, nowdays in aliexpress you can find old ram very cheap
[16:22] <MeatsackApogee> i just wanna use it lol
[16:22] <MeatsackApogee> this netbook isnt mine.. trying to get it running and usable for someone.
[16:22] <MeatsackApogee> thats whyu i also need a easy desktop
 Final Words....
[16:23] <MeatsackApogee> wish it had brghtiness controll on the desktop
[16:23] <MeatsackApogee> has 18 at least got it in settings?
 Lubuntu 18.04.2 Bionic Beaver LTS (LXDE)
[16:23] <MeatsackApogee> like 19 has
 @MeatsackApogee [<MeatsackApogee> has 18 at least got it in settings?], yes
[16:24] <MeatsackApogee> not like a terminal command, but a slifer toggle ?
[16:24] <MeatsackApogee> slider*
 have in mind that currently webpages consumes a lot of RAM
 @MeatsackApogee [<MeatsackApogee> slider*], I believe that it has
[16:24] <MeatsackApogee> no problem. as i said. chrmoium was flying yesterday..
[16:24] <MeatsackApogee> today on same webpages it freezes
[16:29] <MeatsackApogee> jeez my stomach is bad
[16:30] <MeatsackApogee> fouled myself
 @Indianosr911 [How do we apply for Social media manager?], Maybe you use Reddit? https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/bc9awx/seeking_moderators/
[16:30] <MeatsackApogee> 'tmi' as they say
 @aptghetto [Maybe you use Reddit? https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/bc9awx/seeking_m …], thanks!
 For more informations, head to our development channel and speak with tsimonq2 or wxl
[16:34] <mr_yogurt> Is windows snapping supposed to work on 19.04 out of the box? like super-left arrow or super-right arrow to make the current window fill up the left or right half of the screen
[16:38] <MeatsackApogee> i cant answer that
[16:38] <mr_yogurt> oh, that's annoying
[16:38] <mr_yogurt> setting the super key to open lxqt-runner breaks it
[16:48] <MeatsackApogee> yes..  problems problems.   hope u can get help.
[16:48] <MeatsackApogee> so people use this os even on powerful machines?  i understand why people with 1gb ram use it.. its amazing what it can acheive.  but why use it on a powerful rig
[16:54] <MeatsackApogee> i think lubuntu version 20 will be the dogs bollocks.
 @MeatsackApogee [<MeatsackApogee> so people use this os even on powerful machines?  i understand …], Because it is incredibly faster in powerful machines
[16:56] <MeatsackApogee> i suppose it must be yea.
[16:57] <MeatsackApogee> its even usable on a 1gb netbook.. actually usable
[16:57] <MeatsackApogee> other so's are probably even lighter, but they are to ohard to use for casual users
[16:57] <MeatsackApogee> i suppose lubuntu is the sweetspot
[16:58] <MeatsackApogee> a bit faster than xubuntu, but with nearl as many feature sand ease of use
[16:58] <MeatsackApogee> what say you
[16:59] <MeatsackApogee> others OS's*
[17:00] <MeatsackApogee> by the way. can skype be used in lubuntu ?
[17:01] <MeatsackApogee> not esential but would be nice
[17:02] <MeatsackApogee> like soda pop
 Don't know
 911: there's no invite. Just show up on this channel on Thursdays at 5:00 pm EDT
 @MeatsackApogee [<MeatsackApogee> by the way. can skype be used in lubuntu ?], Yes, I have managed to use it.
 @SamuelBanya [911: there's no invite. Just show up on this channel on Thursdays at 5:00 pm EDT], Aye Aye Captain!
[17:24] <MeatsackApogee> great.   i'll get it in there
[17:24] <MeatsackApogee> no mercy
[17:33] <MeatsackApogee> cant find the brightness slider in settings anywhere
[17:33] <MeatsackApogee> can u point me to it please
[17:36] <MeatsackApogee> i doesnt exist does it ?  :/
[17:36] <MeatsackApogee> maybe should have stuck with 19
[17:38] <MeatsackApogee> ive come to the conclusion its impossible to find a lightweight linux system that suits my needs.   they always lack something.  shame the priginal ubuntu doesnt run on netbooks, that os is actually complete
[17:39] <diogenes_> MeatsackApogee, try antiX
[17:39] <MeatsackApogee> im not trying anymore
[17:39] <MeatsackApogee> had my fill
[17:39] <MeatsackApogee> xubuntu. lubuntu 3 times, bhodi, elive, damn small linux, puppy.. etc
[17:39] <MeatsackApogee> all are half baked unfortunately
[17:40] <MeatsackApogee> probably the most usable is xubuntu. but its slower than others
[17:41] <MeatsackApogee> i mean.. how in gods name can you spend years designing and os  but not ad a brightenss slider?  my mind boggles
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[17:46] <diogenes_> MeatsackApogee, i disagree because what you do it you try to win a horse race ridding a pony, get yourself suitable hardware and you gonna get the desired result.
[17:51] <MeatsackApogee> no. i have a powerful rig, why would i install a light linux on it?  i thought the ide aof these lightwieght os's was to run on old tech.  and actually, not having a brightness slider is nothing to do with it.  it should just have one
[17:52] <MeatsackApogee> Plus lubuntu actually runs well on my 1gb netbook.. that snot the issue.  the issues is lack of features
[17:52] <MeatsackApogee> would antix be any better?  probably slower then lubuntu anyway
[17:53] <diogenes_> what features you need?
[17:55] <MeatsackApogee> well, i cant  surf youtube on a browser with 1gb ram.  so i need a youtube app i cna surf then play on vlc player or something
[17:55] <MeatsackApogee> apart fro mtheat, just a fast browser for normal surfing.
[17:55] <MeatsackApogee> skype would be nice but not essential
[17:55] <MeatsackApogee> also just basic system functions like brghtiness slifers etc !
[17:55] <MeatsackApogee> sliders*
[17:56] <diogenes_> MeatsackApogee, lol, it's website devs fault and browser devs fault too, not at all the OS fault
[17:56] <MeatsackApogee> regarding wat?
[17:56] <diogenes_> i got brightness slined, i adjust it with the mouse wheen hovering over the batter icon
[17:56] <diogenes_> regadring how they desing modern websides
[17:56] <diogenes_> they are resource hug
[17:57] <MeatsackApogee> im not blaming anything.. just saying youtube is too hard for 1gb ram to run.. unless an app is used.  it works great with smtube app and vlc playet un lubuntu
[17:57] <MeatsackApogee> im not blaming, just asking for workarounds
[17:57] <diogenes_> yeah with 1gb ram you can't do anything nowadays that's the reality
[17:57] <diogenes_> nobody's fault
[17:57] <MeatsackApogee> most sites i visit are fine on 1gb ram, unless i visit video stuff.  i have no problem about that
[17:58] <MeatsackApogee> * the sites are only fine if i choose the right os and right browser.  lubuntu and google chromium fo rexample
[17:58] <MeatsackApogee> but ineed a app style video browser
[17:59] <MeatsackApogee> smtue and vlc player paly yutube videos lag free.  just not all will open unfortunately
[17:59] <MeatsackApogee> antix has similar functions?
[17:59] <MeatsackApogee> as fast gnerally as lubuntu?
[18:00] <diogenes_> i haven't make any comparison but by default it takes around 100 MB ram
[18:01] <MeatsackApogee> seems even lighter then
[18:01] <MeatsackApogee> so i guess browsing would be fine
[18:01] <MeatsackApogee> only thing is, does it have funcionality on desktop, and can it run a youtube app
[18:01] <MeatsackApogee> i know it har a termnal based youtube search.. but i need a gui
[18:02] <diogenes_> you said you don't wanna try anything so why bothering?
[18:02] <MeatsackApogee> jeez..  well if it seasy i might.  i can tstand al lthe headache though.  if it can be installed and ru nwell, maybe its worth a shot
[18:03] <diogenes_> then it's better once to try than 100 times to ask.
[18:04] <MeatsackApogee> i'll try it on live usb.  does it have any you tube app you know of?
[18:05] <diogenes_> last time i checked it had, also it had it's own, forgot the name.
[18:05] <diogenes_> on older machines you can even use kodi + youtube plugin which is known to run smoother.
[18:05] <diogenes_> but i personally haven't tried it.
 Lubuntu 18.04 has them
 I mean brightness slider
[18:08] <MeatsackApogee> hmm
[18:08] <MeatsackApogee> ill try it.  and lubot.  where !?
[18:10] <MeatsackApogee> should i download the full version of antix or is that heavy or resources?
[18:11] <diogenes_> MeatsackApogee, of course not, go with full.
[18:11] <MeatsackApogee> would u mind helping me if i give it a try?
[18:11] <diogenes_> as a side note,  for youtube you can use mpv, with right configuration it can play any youtube videos, mpv actually works better than vlc
[18:12] <MeatsackApogee> i see.. well the thing is i need a browsing app too.   if i have to browse youtube wit a broswer, i get lag
[18:12] <MeatsackApogee> an app is more light
[18:12] <MeatsackApogee> the nlink mpv to the app
[18:12] <diogenes_> i can help you of course but not in this channel since it's lubuntu destined for, if you wish: /j #MX_Linux
[18:14] <MeatsackApogee> thanks im there
[18:14] <MeatsackApogee> and lubot.  please tell me where that slider is?  i cant see it in 18
 @MeatsackApogee [<MeatsackApogee> and lubot.  please tell me where that slider is?  i cant see it …], Right click on the battery icon in the panel
 Battery or energy
[18:17] <MeatsackApogee> thahks.  wow.  hidden in plain sight lol
 Guys.
 Hello
 How can I run GTK apps on Lubuntu 19 ?
[19:20] <diogenes_> Indianosr911, what apps?
 I want to run https://github.com/muflone/gespeaker
 gespeaker, allows me to tune espeaks for TTS
 ?
[19:23] <diogenes_> thre is insructions on the page on how to use it.
 I read those already
 nothing about GTK, right?
[19:25] <diogenes_> what does gtk has to do with it? it has setup.py which will most likely install the app and then you gonna get a shortcut (maybe)
 I used apt to install
 it's not opening.. I suspect the missing GTK libraries!
 the UI doesn't appear in itself.
[19:26] <diogenes_> no apt install neede, it clearly sayd on github how you install it:
[19:26] <diogenes_> python2 setup.py build
[19:26] <diogenes_> sudo python2 setup.py install
[19:27] <diogenes_> that's it
 ok
 thanks figuring it out!
[19:29] <diogenes_> but prior to those two commands, there is a lot of stuff you need to install, just read carefully and take one step at a time.
[19:31] <diogenes_> for instalce, whre is says:  - python2: all the whole code is written for Python 2.x
[19:31] <diogenes_> it means you need to: sudo apt install python2
[19:31] <diogenes_> and so on
 yup
 thanks doing that..
 seems it's throwing typeerror exceptions
 starting gespeaker … python version detected: 2.7 … loading interface from /usr/share/gespeaker/data/ui/gespeaker.glade … loading controls from UI … loading languages from /usr/bin/espeak --voices … default language "english" not found in the languages list, fallback to "default" … Traceback (most recent call last): …   File "ges
 anyways... Good Night for today