[01:44] <LargePrime> hi. i got a weird problem. when applications with an item in "indicator applets" adds an item it adds a huge number of the launched applications icons appear. if i right click and disable "indicator applications" and then re check it, only one icon appears.
[01:45] <LargePrime> please advise
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 @LargePrime [<LargePrime> hi. i got a weird problem. when applications with an item in "indic …], Got a screenshot or a video?
[20:03] <tpw_rules> hey, i'm trying to install lubuntu 18.04 on my lenovo P52. I boot off the live USB, I see the Lubuntu screen with the five dots, a brief flash of command window, then a black screen
[20:04] <wxl> did you check the hashes of the iso?
[20:05] <tpw_rules> it verified that the USB matches the ISO, but i'm running the "check disk for defects" right now
[20:06] <tpw_rules> oh, it did say it found an errorr
[20:06] <tpw_rules> but not in which file
[20:06] <wxl> yeah, because that's kind of a complicated issue to resolve even if you know what file it is
[20:07] <wxl> the iso is technically a whole entire filesystem
[20:07] <wxl> except it's contained in a file
[20:07] <wxl> and then you bit to bit copy it to your installation media
[20:07] <wxl> not the same as a normal file
[20:07] <tpw_rules> yup, the iso i downloaded is bad. weird
[20:07] <wxl> not weird
[20:07] <wxl> download/copy errors are normal
[20:07] <wxl> this is why people publish hashes and have error checking mechanisms
[20:08] <wxl> torrents do them by default
[20:08] <wxl> *hint*hint*
[20:08] <wxl> well, they do the download error checking
[20:08] <tpw_rules> i would if i could torrent on campius
[20:08] <wxl> the copy error checking can only really be done by the check disc for defects
[20:08] <JohnDoe_71Rus> tpw_rules: try nomodeset mode
[20:08] <wxl> or you could run a hash check, but you'd need to run it through dd which is complicated
[20:09] <tpw_rules> yeah i hashed it after i flashed it, i usually do
[20:09] <tpw_rules> and that matched
[20:09] <wxl> JohnDoe_71Rus: they have verified the installation media is defective so that may or may not fix the problem and there are still potentially further problems
[20:09] <tpw_rules> is lubuntu 18.04 LTS like regular ubuntu 18.04 is?
[20:10] <wxl> yes and no. the support length for flavor LTS's are usually shorter than for ubuntu
[20:10] <wxl> 18.04 is run off of LXDE, which is a project with very little life left in it
[20:10] <wxl> we're now using LXQt which is much more actively maintained
[20:10] <wxl> so even though it's not an "LTS," i'd say you will have a much better experience with 19.04
[20:11] <tpw_rules> i have to install kernel patches which claim to only work on 18.04
[20:11] <wxl> you have to use an old kernel? boo.
[20:11] <tpw_rules> i mean not insanely old, but not 5
[20:12] <tpw_rules> i need 4.16
[20:12] <tpw_rules> how similar is lxde to lxqt? i really like lxde
[20:12] <JohnDoe_71Rus> wxl: i test kernel >4.15 and have similar problem with radeon rx560. Black screen with cursor in the coner. But system not freeze or hang, can be turned off by power button
[20:12] <tpw_rules> i don't even get a cursor. but i will see what this image does, after properly verifying it
[20:12] <wxl> JohnDoe_71Rus: if the installation media is faulty, it doesn't matter.
[20:13] <wxl> tpw_rules: lxqt was created by some core lxde folks, including the pcman behind pcmanfm, so there's a lot of similarity
[20:14] <tpw_rules> well that's good
[20:16] <tpw_rules> same behavior, i'll try nomodeset
[20:17] <tpw_rules> oh man grub is so slow on 4k
[20:18] <tpw_rules> ok now i at least get a cursor
[20:18] <tpw_rules> but it still hangs
[20:18] <wxl> can you get virtual terminals?
[20:18] <tpw_rules> no
[20:19] <tpw_rules> the power button does nothing either
[20:19] <wxl> and you said 19.04 did or didn't work?
[20:19] <tpw_rules> i can't use 19.04 because it's not compatible with the hardware i need to install linux for
[20:19] <tpw_rules> i could try it, but it would be kind of a waste of time
[20:20] <wxl> i don't think so. i've had some graphics issues before in 18.04 that i didn't have in later (or for that matter, previous) releases
[20:20] <tpw_rules> sure but if it worked, then i couldn't use it anyway
[20:20] <tpw_rules> does the alternate iso boot into a text mode installer?
[20:22] <tpw_rules> lemme try that one
[20:22] <ilhami> hello.
[20:22] <tpw_rules> hi
 Hi
[20:24] <ilhami> I am trying out Quassel IRC client xD
 Any upgrade guide? From 18.04 to 19.04?
 @ilhami [<ilhami> I am trying out Quassel IRC client xD], 🆗
 Any issues you are facing?
[20:26] <tpw_rules> what kernel does lubuntu 18.10 have?
 Great question, what's the purpose of asking?
[20:28] <tpw_rules> so that i can see if i can use my driver
[20:28] <tpw_rules> also is lubuntu.me dead?
 @tpw_rules [<tpw_rules> so that i can see if i can use my driver], I think you got to search the official website. I'm not sure
 @tpw_rules [<tpw_rules> also is lubuntu.me dead?], Send like offline.
 Seems**
[20:36] <tpw_rules> bah the alternate iso doesn't even boot into the check integrity menu
[20:36] <tpw_rules> well hopefully 18.10 has a kernel i can make work
 @tpw_rules [<tpw_rules> well hopefully 18.10 has a kernel i can make work], What are you trying to make work? What driver?
[20:40] <tpw_rules> intel realsense
 Ok not sure. I haven't tried it. Best of luck.
[20:57] <tpw_rules> wxl: i'm still not having any luck getting video
[21:01] <wxl> lubuntu.me is back up
[21:01] <wxl> tpw_rules: send me some info on what you need to do with the kernel modules?
[21:01] <tpw_rules> i'm trying to install the realsense drivers which require patches to the uvc kernel modules
[21:01] <tpw_rules> but regardless, 18.10 isn't giving me video either so
[21:02] <tpw_rules> i've got the command prompt off the mini.iso working
[21:02] <wxl> and no virtual terminals again?
[21:03] <tpw_rules> no
[21:03] <tpw_rules> i did get an interesting message about how all my cpu cores were too hot and they were being throttled
[21:03] <wxl> THAT would explain a lot
[21:03] <tpw_rules> but just once, and like i said the command line is working fine
[21:04] <tpw_rules> and also the computer isn't overheating
[21:04] <wxl> but your sensors might be fubar'd
[21:04] <tpw_rules> it runs windows just fine
[21:04] <tpw_rules> i've used the sensors in windows
[21:05] <wxl> maybe windows has some weird code to workaround misbehaving or non-standard sensors
[21:05] <tpw_rules> Intel® Xeon® E-2176M processor, nvidia quadro p2000 graphic
[21:05] <tpw_rules> s
[21:05] <wxl> or maybe it's all proprietary and this is a case where reverse engineering fails
[21:06] <tpw_rules> is there any way to switch that off with a kernel command line option
[21:07] <wxl> probably but it would require searching.. i've never had to btoher
[21:09] <LargePrime> lubot, how do i ping indianosr911
[21:10] <wxl> LargePrime: you can @ their username
[21:10] <LargePrime> @indianosr911 where should i put the pic
[21:11] <wxl> tpw_rules: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html
[21:11] <wxl> i'll leave it to you to wade through that
[21:12] <wxl> alternately maybe check in at ##linux
[21:12] <tpw_rules> well i installed from mini.iso and it's working fine
[21:12] <tpw_rules> i'll see if i can install the desktop
[21:12] <LargePrime> https://ibb.co/nzq1n3B @indianosr911
[21:12] <LargePrime> hi. i got a weird problem. when applications with an item in "indicator applets" adds an item it adds a huge number of the launched applications icons appear. if i right click and disable "indicator applications" and then re check it, only one icon appears.
[21:13] <LargePrime> please advise
[21:13] <LargePrime> https://ibb.co/nzq1n3B
[21:13] <wxl> LargePrime: which lubuntu is that?
[21:14] <LargePrime> THE lubuntu
[21:14]  * wxl facepalms
[21:14] <tpw_rules> wxl: in fairness it only does it once, then it says speed normal right after in dmesg
[21:14] <tpw_rules> maybe it's just confused as it boots
[21:14] <LargePrime> wxl you need a uname thing right?
[21:15] <wxl> LargePrime: lsb_release
[21:15] <tpw_rules> yall just need to patch uname cause that's the only command i remember :P
[21:15] <LargePrime> No LSB modules are available.
[21:15] <wxl> sounds like pebkac to me
[21:16] <wxl> LargePrime: sounds like you got something broken.
[21:16] <LargePrime> i guessed
[21:18] <LargePrime> thoughts on debreaking?
[21:19] <wxl> without even knowing the version it's rather problamtic
[21:19] <wxl> pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:21] <LargePrime> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qpmsqtsfvK/
[21:22] <LargePrime> wxl
[21:22] <wxl> looks like you're on bionic
[21:22] <LargePrime> yep
[21:26] <wxl> ah, i guess bionic is weird. lsb_release -a would have got you waht you wanted
[21:27] <LargePrime> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[21:27] <tpw_rules> wxl: so i installed lubuntu-desktop form the command line install and keyboard doesn't work. but the touchscreen does but i can't log in
[21:27] <tpw_rules> i hate computers
[21:29] <LargePrime> so nothing was broken wxl
[21:29] <wxl> LargePrime: nothing obvious, no
[21:29] <wxl> tpw_rules: what sort of keyboard? laptop keyboard?
[21:29] <tpw_rules> yes
[21:29] <tpw_rules> but a usb one doesn't work either
[21:29] <tpw_rules> everybody said the trackpad would be broken but it works fine
[21:30] <LargePrime> wxl in that pic is a live patch icon. any thougghts on how to remove it?
[21:32] <wxl> tpw_rules: try upgrading the system
[21:32] <tpw_rules> it's as upgraded as possible, i just installed it form network
[21:32] <wxl> so it's not upgraded then
[21:32] <tpw_rules> how could it not be upgraded
[21:33] <wxl> see for yourself
[21:33] <tpw_rules> i did, there are no updates
[21:33] <wxl> LargePrime: i think your only solution is to eliminate the indicator applets
[21:34] <wxl> tpw_rules: i'm stumped with whatever weird problem you're having. might try ##linux or #ubuntu
[21:34] <tpw_rules> what does the 18.10 lubuntu alternate iso do differently from the standard
[21:34] <tpw_rules> or rather 18.04
[21:35] <wxl> uses a curses installer rather than a graphical one
[21:35] <wxl> which means it doesn't boot to a live system first
[21:46] <tpw_rules> well it seems there are issues on my model with the hybrid graphics system
[21:46] <tpw_rules> so time to install it legitimately
[21:46] <wxl> what's the solution?
[21:46] <tpw_rules> turn it off in bios
[21:46] <tpw_rules> at least until you install the correct drivers
[21:46] <wxl> oh
[21:46] <wxl> weird. lame.
[21:46] <wxl> proprietary i'm assuming?
[21:47] <tpw_rules> what do you mean?
[21:47] <wxl> meaning they're not available through the ubuntu repos but you have to get them from the manufacturer?
[21:47] <tpw_rules> it's an nvidia card, there's a ppa
[21:47] <tpw_rules> btw uh does lxqt support hidpi
[21:50] <wxl> i think so if i read correctly https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/916
[21:54] <tpw_rules> yeah some things aren't quite right but it looks to work well enough
[21:54] <tpw_rules> taskbar and mouse cursor are too small
[21:59] <tpw_rules> i think ima do ubuntu instead then. it's been "fun". sad it was so difficult