[00:00] <leftyfb> wondows: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[00:09] <a90c> does ubuntu 16.04 comes with LVM in default installation?
[00:17] <xp7> gnome shell
[00:22] <wondows> leftyfb: 18.04
[00:46] <bilb_ono> what could be going on when I can cat and vi a file but not ls it?
[00:48] <rud0lf> dot as first character in filename maybe?
[00:52] <bilb_ono> its not
[00:52] <bilb_ono> yeah also I can'
[00:52] <bilb_ono> t remove it with rm
[01:06] <edward__> can anyone explain why microSD card isn't working on Ubuntu 18.04?
[01:12] <u0_a93> x
[01:13] <u0_a93> hello
[01:13] <xp7> no
[01:13] <xp7> hi
[01:13] <xp7> we say hi 'round here
[01:13] <edward__> Hello
[01:13] <edward__> Hi
[01:13] <root> hi
[01:13] <xp7> HIGH
[01:13] <u0_a93> hey
[01:14] <xp7> hey is for horses
[01:14] <edward__> Howdy
[01:15]  * xp7 shoots himself in the head in a very millennial conceded way
[01:15] <xp7> eyes rolled back before the trigger
[01:15] <xp7> scoffing till the end
[01:16] <xp7> wow wtf did that come from
[01:16] <xp7> kinda poetic tho
[01:17] <BlakesSeven> Am I alive?
[01:17] <xp7> yes
[01:17] <u0_a93> no
[01:17] <xp7> but inside a simulation
[01:17] <xp7> everything you think is real
[01:17] <BlakesSeven> oh god
[01:18] <xp7> is just a figment of your programming
[01:18] <BlakesSeven> does anyone run openmediavault? The openmediavault channel seems dead.
[01:18] <xp7> naw i only run #tmz
[01:18] <xp7> and #cnn
[01:18] <xp7> what if they had irc nets
[01:18] <xp7> lol
[01:19] <xp7> like all the popular shit
[01:19] <xp7> would ruin it
[01:19] <xp7> would be filled with ads
[01:19] <xp7> and pandering
[01:29] <Noisette> fromageres
[01:52] <k_sze[work]> Hmm, I'm surprised that an update to `linux-firmware` does not require a reboot.
[01:55] <AlecTaylor> hi
[01:55] <AlecTaylor> Is this bug known? - You don't have permission to access /ubuntu/dists/disco-updates/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/ReleaseAnnouncement.html on this server.
[01:55] <AlecTaylor> (release notes for upgrading)
[02:06] <r00t_ba5h> halo! what's up
[02:08] <r00t_ba5h> who can help me
[02:09] <u0_a93> only you can help youself
[02:10] <r00t_ba5h> yes,but i need help our help
[02:12] <Bashing-om> !ask | r00t_ba5h
[02:13] <xp7> can i ask why not?
[02:13] <r00t_ba5h> ok, I want a perferct config for samba
[02:14] <r00t_ba5h> config in smb.conf
[02:17] <r00t_ba5h> I usually do it,but today I can not do it
[02:39] <u0_a93> 测试中文发言
[02:40] <xp7> 
[02:40] <xp7> NULLCHAR
[02:40] <xp7> beat that
[02:40] <dax> xp7: stop with the offtopic comments, please
[02:41] <xp7> what about in ##chat?
[02:41] <xp7> just because its #ubuntu chat right?
[02:41]  * dax shrugs
[02:42] <dax> #ubuntu is a support channel, yes.
[02:42] <xp7> ok i c
[02:42] <xp7> what about general ubuntu discussion?
[02:43] <ducasse> that's in #ubuntu-discuss
[02:43] <apurva> hi all
[02:43] <u0_a93> hi
[02:44] <apurva> which os u use
[02:44] <apurva> ?
[02:44] <u0_a93> termux
[02:45] <apurva> i use papermint os 9
[02:45] <apurva> but i dont like its panel is there any way i can replace it
[02:46] <ducasse> apurva: peppermint is not supported here
[02:46] <apurva> which channel for papermint
[02:46] <apurva> ?
[02:46] <ducasse> !alis | apurva
[02:52] <r00t_ba5h> help
[03:35] <spinningCat> snap instead of apt?
[03:52] <sparker> hi
[03:53] <llc> hi
[04:01] <sparker> 进来了没
[04:01] <llc> you are drunk, go home
[04:03] <bqyh> jinglaile
[04:04] <music11> hi
[04:04] <sparker> 进来了吧
[04:04] <sparker> termux
[04:04] <music11> 嗯，是的
[04:04] <sparker> 那里发不了话
[04:04] <bqyh> :D 进来了
[04:04] <llc> listen here you little-
[04:04] <music11> bqyn是谁？
[04:04] <sparker> 不认识
[04:05] <sparker> 可能也是群里的老兄
[04:05] <music11> 嗯
[04:05] <music11> termux就是聊不了天
[04:05] <sparker> 嗯
[04:07] <music11> what
[04:07] <llc> ikr
[04:07] <sparker> rki
[04:07] <music11> rki是什么？
[04:08] <sparker> 不懂。。
[04:08] <llc> `i know right` and the reversed version of it
[04:09] <music11> 把llc的翻译一下看看是什么意思
[04:09] <music11> 还在(吗？
[04:10] <sparker> 在
[04:10] <music11> 方便翻译吗？
[04:10] <sparker> LLC是Logical Link Control的缩写，意思为逻辑链路控制子层。LLC负责识别网络层协议，然后对它们进行封装。LLC报头告诉数据链路层一旦帧被接收到时，应当对数据包做何处理。
[04:10] <llc> hah, kinky
[04:11] <music11> 不是，把他说的话翻译
[04:11] <music11> 是把他说的话翻译
[04:12] <r15> hi
[04:12] <sparker> 翻译不太方便
[04:12] <r15> dhclient: error while loading shared libraries: libdns-export.so.1100: cannot open shared object file:
[04:12] <music11> 好吧
[04:12] <music11> hi
[04:12] <llc> r15, chinese please?
[04:12] <r15> though the file exists, showing in ldd output
[04:13] <r15> this is chinese?
[04:13] <llc> we don't understand
[04:13] <llc> yes
[04:13] <r15> ok, thanks.
[04:13] <r15> 翻译不太方便
[04:13] <music11> my chinese
[04:14] <r15>  好吧
[04:14] <r15> bah
[04:14] <music11> r15中国人？
[04:14] <llc> oh wow he left
[04:14] <llc> oh bother
[04:15] <llc> r15, ldd showing that lib would mean nothing, no?
[04:15] <llc> ldd just reads the binary and sees which libs it looks for, i think
[04:16] <r15> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/4hwepQ~x1pGkNvCv5-tGgw
[04:16] <r15> llc: pasted output of ldd, package integrity md5
[04:16] <music11> llc
[04:16] <music11> LLC
[04:16] <music11> 哪里人
[04:16] <music11> Where are the people
[04:16] <music11> y
[04:16] <music11> YYes
[04:17] <llc> wait, if i compile(with dynamic linking) a program with a local library i have, and then run ldd on that on another pc, i would see the name of my lib there, no?
[04:17] <llc> even though that pc wouldn't have that lib.
[04:19] <llc> oh, i see that you have the file too... odd
[04:19] <r15> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/-xsmiA24qlh~ZAyHGt2vpg
[04:20] <r15> strace output
[04:20] <music11> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/-xsmiA
[04:20] <llc> `cannot open shared object file` do we know this isn't some permission issue?
[04:21] <music11> | oh, i see that you have the file too... odd| oh, i see that you have the file too... odd
[04:21] <llc> man, ever since freenode was sold to the chinese, it got really weird around here
[04:22] <Yaser_Amiri> :((
[04:22] <music11> | oh, i see that you have the file too... odd
[04:22] <Yaser_Amiri> chinese lang everywhere!
[04:22] <r15> xi pi
[04:23] <r15> 11 pi raspberry.
[04:23] <llc> what happens if you run `sudo dhclient`? xD
[04:23] <r15> lcc:checking
[04:23] <r15> already running as root user though
[04:23] <llc> the libdns one is the first link on the list. so i think it just can't open any of these files at all, and it just fails at libdns because it is the first one on the list
[04:23] <r15> same errorwith sudo
[04:25] <llc> `/sbin/ldconfig -v` what happens if you run this, and then try again?
[04:27] <r15> ldconfig -v https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/H2TAnmOqBwG9nbLA0w5YCQ
[04:28] <r15> same error
[04:28] <r15> removed /etc/ld.so.cache then did ldconfig again
[04:30] <llc> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=190581 oh I think this is it.
[04:30] <llc> or maybe not... surely `/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/` is already in your paths
[04:34] <Nebula_> 你还在这里吗
[04:35] <erbo> r15: what does ls -l /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdns-export.so.1100 say?
[04:36] <music11> ls
[04:36] <music11> hi
[04:36] <Nebula_> 我是星云
[04:37] <Nebula_> 换了个号
[04:37] <music11> 哦
[04:37] <music11> Oh
[04:37] <llc> erbo, i think it isn't about libdns-export itself. if you look into his pastes, it is just the first lib checked. i think if the libdns didnt exist there, it would just fail on the next lib on the list
[04:37] <music11>  
[04:37] <music11> Y
[04:38] <erbo> llc: still, the strace says permission denied so I'd like to see the output
[04:39] <r15> apparmor?
[04:41] <llc> i would bet on that lol, seems to make sense. surely the libs are already in your paths. and surely it just cant read anything. you are root so it cant be just a permission issue either
[04:42] <erbo> r15: what did ls say?
[04:43] <r15> ebro: it was a soft link to an another lib file which i checked, it was fine with md5
[04:43] <r15> compared with an another system as well.
[04:43] <r15> removed isc-dhclient and reinstalled.
[04:43] <erbo> md5sum doesn't take permissions into account
[04:43] <r15> md5sum to check the integrity of files.
[04:44] <llc> well, md5sum can read that file unlike the linker :p
[04:44] <erbo> I know what it does, but if won't change due to permission changes
[04:44] <r15> llc+
[04:44] <r15> starting over with a new machine,. trobleshoot later.
[04:45] <llc> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/284604/apparmor-cannot-load-library can you do like the equivalent of the solution here?
[04:45] <llc> like just see if there is an apparmor record for dhclient
[04:46] <gimpnixon> I everyone, Funny thing started happening after last update from 5.0.0-13. when I start my Xsession I have no visible desktop and no right click functionality no hot keys or anything until i switch to a different TTY and back. I dont have to log into a new TTY just switch to it, then switch back and then my desktop environment is working again. on Dingo 19.04. any one else ever see this?
[04:49] <gimpnixon> So far i've only really tried to make a fresh minimal xorg.conf with none of my dual monitor settings, but that didn't seem to change the behavior.
[04:57] <r00t_ba5h> bonjour
[04:59] <llc> hi
[05:00] <r00t_ba5h> how can i join ubuntu freenode irc francophone channel
[05:01] <llc> non-ironically most of the talk here is chinese, good luck with french xD
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> !fr | r00t_ba5h
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> llc: please dont give advice like that, be helpful instead
[05:14] <r00t_ba5h> thanks
[05:17] <r00t_ba5h> why if i enter in one canal the bot saying "You need to identify to a registered nick to join or speak in that channel."
[05:18] <r00t_ba5h> i need to register again
[05:18] <llc> are you using the web irc?
[05:18] <llc> you need to tick the authorize box and enter your info
[05:19] <llc> oh and, sometimes its just a message, like a notification, it just says it to everyone. not because you are not logged in.
[05:19] <r00t_ba5h> no llc i use hexchat
[05:20] <llc> does it let you speak in the channel?
[05:20] <r00t_ba5h> no
[05:21] <llc> ah, no idea how you login to a server via hexchat.
[05:21] <llc> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/hexchat probably this
[05:22] <llc> did you register with your email and stuff to freenode, or did you just enter a name?
[05:22] <DarKByD3sign> I was going to say would it not be better to contact #hexchat to ask as I'd be inclined to say they are better placed to assist you.
[05:24] <r00t_ba5h> for freenode I'm regist
[05:25] <guiverc2> r00t_ba5h, i'm on freenode (ubuntu) & oftc (debian); oftc is a different server/system and requires a different logon (even if i'm guiverc on both & using hexchat)
[05:25] <gambl0re> if i run s-tui, htop, powertop opened in the background, does it use a lot of resources?
[05:29] <CarlFK> gambl0re: I only know what htop is, and I wouldn't say it uses a lot of resources
[05:29] <CarlFK> gambl0re: that said, you should read up on htop and it will tell you how much it and everything else is using
[05:35] <Nebula_> test
[05:38] <Buzz32> I have a fresh install of Ubuntu Mate 19.04. When I try to play games on Facebook the game asks me to right click to run Adobe Flash Player . I am using Chrome for my browser but this also happens with Firefox
[05:38] <Buzz32> is there a simple solution?
[05:39] <llc> isnt that the default behavior of browsers these days? does firefox even run flash without asking anymore?
[05:40] <zette> Hello world
[05:40] <Buzz32> I forgot to mention, after I right click nothing happens in either browser it just sits at the same window as if the link is broken
[05:42] <Buzz32> when I right click a menu poops up with an option to run this plugin and after I click it the menu closes and nothing more happens
[05:42] <Buzz32> haaaa ,,, ummm pops.... oops!!!! lol
[05:59] <Muligan> anybody around running ubuntu 18.04 w/bluetooth studdering?
[06:20] <tatertotz> a mouse studdering?....studding "audio" ...details like this might help your cause
[06:46] <ace_me> how can I do LRANGE key 0 -1 | more to have entire output ? now it looks truncated
[06:47] <llc> drop the | more part?
[06:50] <heller_> so guys
[06:50] <heller_> what is the best way to keep track of unattended upgrades?
[06:51] <heller_> set an emailer to send alerts?
[06:51] <heller_> im setting up UU on my servers, but i have no idea if they work or not
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> heller_: ubuntu server try #ubuntu-server please
[06:52] <heller_> right!
[06:54] <cawk> why is it so hard to record  MIC and whatyouhear at the same time in windows OS?  is this windows limitation? or does ubuntu have same problem?
[07:02] <EriC^^> cawk: i think if you record the audio mixer, and set the mic to also play on the audio mixer it should work
[07:02] <cawk> eric is that mean ubuntu have same issue
[07:02] <EriC^^> cawk: i was talking about windows
[07:03] <EriC^^> cawk: im not sure of windows 10 but i used to do this in win98
[07:03] <cawk> eric i see,  what about in ubuntu
[07:03] <EriC^^> ubuntu should be able to do it, in ubuntu the audio mixer is called 'monitor of blabla' i think
[07:04] <heller_> cawk: you can select on windows to "listen to this device" on the mic settings
[07:04] <cawk> why can't  ubuntu or windows  just let you pick both "mic" and "whatyouhear"
[07:05] <EriC^^> cawk: you have to set the mic to play on the 'whatyouhear'
[07:05] <cawk> eric then i hear echo
[07:05] <gimpnixon> Hi, I have had some weird going ons since last update on 19.04. when I start my xsession i get a blank screen with a cursor on it, no keys work at all but the mouse moves. I can bring the desktop back and switching tty's and switching back. any idea?
[07:05] <EriC^^> like when you say something in the mic it will say it on the speakers at the same time
[07:06] <gimpnixon> by switching*
[07:06] <EriC^^> cawk: you could download a good mixing software cawk
[07:07] <mouses> cawk: 'OBS Studio' might be really useful for what you want, also Audacity (less useful in your case I think), and Mixx (for music related mixing)
[07:08] <mouses> both exist in windows and ubuntu versions
[07:08] <cawk> mouses yes  obs studio seems to do both;
[07:08] <cawk> mouse i wonder how it can do both
[07:33] <mia> Hello channel
[07:33] <mia> my username is not on thel ogin page of ubunt u
[07:33] <mia> it asks for username and password separately
[07:33] <mia> so I have to input both,
[07:33] <mia> I'm not sure what changed that - how can restore it back to its original state sof that my user is displayed
[07:45] <CarlFK> mia: it might help if you posted a screen shot (or snap a picture) so we see what you are being presented with
[07:45] <CarlFK> mia: I haven
[07:47] <CarlFK> mia: I'm not too familiar with what you are bumping into, so sadly I probably wont' be able to help, but a pic get you an answer with less fuss
[07:49] <benyaminxploit> hi
[08:14] <sentiment> hello
[08:14] <sentiment> I have run into a problem with restoring an Uubntu image using Disks
[08:15] <sentiment> when I try to load the new restored Ubuntu from the grub menu, it fails with cannot find tocblock...
[08:16] <sentiment> and then fails back to this old Ubuntu
[08:16] <sentiment> I took these steps:
[08:17] <sentiment> 1. Installed the new ssd
[08:17] <sentiment> 2. formatted it with two partitions: 1 master and one swap
[08:17] <sentiment> 3. restore the image to the master partition
[08:18] <sentiment> 4. ran update-grun [new drive path] --boot-directory=masterPartition/boot
[08:18] <sentiment> that's it
[08:18] <ryuo> ... was it an image of a partition or the whole drive?
[08:19] <sentiment> one partition
[08:19] <sentiment> the / partition, the OS one
[08:20] <ryuo> ok... still not enough information.
[08:20] <sentiment> also the new partition was unmounted while the new image was being restored
[08:20] <sentiment> ryuo: what kind of info?
[08:21] <ryuo> how the system is intended to boot.
[08:21] <az> hello, anyone has this package installed by default? evolution-data-server-common
[08:21] <sentiment> well, I installed grub on the new drive, as indicated by the command above
[08:21] <ryuo> restoring a system in this manner can create issues for GRUB. you may need to reinstall it.
[08:21] <sentiment> and made the partition bootable
[08:21] <ryuo> no, update-grub only regenerates configuration.
[08:22] <sentiment> I ran grub-install command as said above
[08:22] <sentiment> into the new drive
[08:22] <sentiment> do you think I should delete it entirely and reinstall it on the new drive?
[08:23] <ryuo> sentiment: no idea. you haven't even said how you intend to boot it. there's two ways to boot PCs these days.
[08:23] <EriC^^> sentiment: you can try to chroot and install grub
[08:23] <EriC^^> sentiment: can you type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link it gives you here
[08:24] <sentiment> this is a bios system. no EFI. I want to boot from the new drive
[08:24] <EriC^^> ok
[08:24] <sentiment> which is why I installed grub into it
[08:24] <ryuo> ok... what's the disk label?
[08:24] <ryuo> Linux can boot from either GPT or DOS labels.
[08:25] <sentiment> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/khdf
[08:25] <monkeystance> oh cool, this channel is active
[08:25] <sentiment> it's old MBR
[08:25] <EriC^^> sentiment: do you have both disk's installed at the same time?
[08:25] <sentiment> yes, both are there
[08:25] <EriC^^> sentiment: /dev/sdb is the new one yeah?
[08:25] <ryuo> well, that's probably why.
[08:25] <ryuo> the filesystem was copied as is and has the same UUID as a result.
[08:25] <sentiment> yeah
[08:25] <ryuo> it's probably confusing the system.
[08:26] <EriC^^> sentiment: type "sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999"
[08:26] <sentiment> ryuo: that's very true
[08:26] <monkeystance> EriC^^, did you ask him if he installed netcat already?
[08:26] <sentiment> actually I was wondering the same
[08:26] <EriC^^> monkeystance: it's default
[08:26] <ryuo> since UUIDs are supposed to be unique, at least within the local system.
[08:26] <sentiment> the UIDs for both disks are alike
[08:26] <az> hello, anyone has this package installed by default? evolution-data-server-common
[08:27] <sentiment> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/jop1
[08:27] <gimpnixon> hey everyone small update on my issue where when i start my xsession i would get nothing but a cursor and it woudl move but no buttons would work, I could fix it by switching to a different tty and back but wanted a better solution, I've found that adding a force --replace line of my window manager inside my .xinitrc for after my desktop starts "fixes" the issue to make it where i dont have to switch
[08:27] <gimpnixon> tty's to get it to work. thanks for listening
[08:28] <sentiment> so how come they are the same?
[08:28] <monkeystance> why do you have an ext3 partition sentiment?
[08:28] <ryuo> monkeystance: to make you ask why. :)
[08:28] <sentiment> it's irrelevant, but ... it's for accessing stuff from Windows
[08:28] <EriC^^> sentiment: type "sudo tune2fs /dev/sdb1 -U random"
[08:29] <sentiment> so that creates a new UID ?
[08:29] <EriC^^> uuid, yes
[08:29] <monkeystance> ok that's cool I guess
[08:29] <monkeystance> sentiment, what did you use to partition your drives?
[08:30] <sentiment> monkeystance: the new one? fdisk
[08:30] <EriC^^> sentiment: let me know once it's done
[08:30] <monkeystance> did you clone something?
[08:31] <sentiment> EriC^^: thanks, it's generating
[08:31] <monkeystance> I havent seen matching uuids before
[08:31] <EriC^^> sentiment: ok, is the /dev/sdb2 supposed to be the swap?
[08:31] <srji> i am looking for a complete ubuntu documentation. the wiki hard to navigate
[08:31] <sentiment> monkeystance: I cloned just the / partition and restore it into the new partition
[08:31] <sentiment> EriC^^: I intend to change the swap as well, yeah
[08:31] <sentiment> after getting the new system up and running
[08:32] <sentiment> because ssd is faster
[08:32] <EriC^^> sentiment: ok, type 'sudo mkswap /dev/sdb2'
[08:32] <sentiment> it's done btw
[08:32] <sentiment> oh yeah, I forgot that cmd. thanks :)
[08:32] <EriC^^> once it's done, type "sudo blkid /dev/sdb* | nc termbin.com 9999"
[08:33] <sentiment> EriC^^: the UUIDs are different now
[08:33] <sentiment> regenerate grub?
[08:33] <EriC^^> sentiment: we need them though
[08:33] <EriC^^> no
[08:34] <sentiment> https://termbin.com/ez18
[08:34] <EriC^^> sentiment: ok, also type 'sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt && cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999'
[08:34] <az> I've a bug with libreoffice could any one help me with it please?
[08:35] <EriC^^> az: explain it maybe someone knows
[08:35] <az> it's crashing when I try to create an envelope and selecting database source other than bibleoygraphy
[08:35] <monkeystance> az, try /join #libreoffice
[08:36] <sentiment> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/mqyi
[08:36] <az> monkeystance, it's a bug that only happens on Ubuntu now so I want some Ubuntu user to verify it
[08:36] <monkeystance> oh ok
[08:36] <monkeystance> don't tell anyone, but I'm not actually running ubuntu
[08:37] <sentiment> EriC^^: the ids don't seem to be corerct right?
[08:37] <sentiment> it's the old one
[08:37] <EriC^^> sentiment: nope, you're using the same /home partition for both installs yeah?
[08:37] <sentiment> yeah
[08:37] <az> this is screen record of the crash https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=151459
[08:37] <az> monkeystance, OMG
[08:38] <EriC^^> sentiment: i'd recommend you create different users for each install so the program configs and whatnot dont overlap
[08:38] <sentiment> the / is still the old one
[08:38] <sentiment> EriC^^: I intend to wipe this old Ubuntu once the new one is up
[08:38] <EriC^^> sentiment: oh ok, good
[08:39] <EriC^^> sentiment: type, sudo nano /mnt/etc/fstab
[08:39] <EriC^^> replace UUID=fd8fb14c-4e9f-465b-adf4-48d507eb3e4d with UUID=6de8151b-019b-480a-8b97-6c66795848a7
[08:39] <sentiment> ok, copy the new UUID into the / now?
[08:39] <sentiment> oh ok
[08:39] <EriC^^> and also UUID=6e4ae7f9-c56c-4e25-ae38-1333a233aae9 with UUID=fb981bf9-7062-45f3-949c-2876f85d853d
[08:39] <sentiment> yeah the swap
[08:40] <monkeystance> does nano support copy-paste?
[08:40] <EriC^^> monkeystance: yeah, you need to use shift+ctrl+v
[08:41] <monkeystance> sentiment, I hope you're not writing out the hex by hand
[08:41] <EriC^^> or the middle mouse paste if you used the secondary clipboard
[08:41] <sentiment> EriC^^: I'm using vim
[08:41] <sentiment> know it, thanks
[08:41] <monkeystance> ooo
[08:41] <monkeystance> ++sentiment
[08:41] <monkeystance> or is it sentiment++
[08:41] <monkeystance> idk
[08:42] <sentiment> heh, not really, I only know the basics of vim
[08:43] <sparker> hi
[08:43] <EriC^^> hello
[08:43] <EriC^^> sentiment: done?
[08:43] <sparker> yes
[08:44] <monkeystance> sparker, what's up?
[08:44] <sentiment> EriC^^: seems fine
[08:44] <monkeystance> what are you even trying to do sentiment
[08:45] <sentiment> well I was double checking lol
[08:45] <monkeystance> have a shared /home for 2 distro instal?
[08:45] <EriC^^> sentiment: ok, type 'for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done'
[08:45] <sentiment> like triple checking
[08:45] <sentiment> damn that's quite a command
[08:46] <monkeystance> I really need to learn how to code in bash
[08:46] <sentiment> EriC^^: done
[08:46] <EriC^^> sentiment: type 'sudo chroot /mnt'
[08:46] <monkeystance> I would have done 4 mount commands for the same job EriC^^
[08:47] <EriC^^> it's all good, whatever gets the job done
[08:47] <sentiment> ok i'ts root now
[08:47] <EriC^^> sentiment: ok, type 'grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb'
[08:48] <sentiment> monkeystance: I'd go with your version :o
[08:48] <sentiment> :p
[08:49] <sentiment> EriC^^: finished. Reboot now?
[08:49] <EriC^^> not yet, type 'update-grub'
[08:49] <sentiment> oh yeah ;D
[08:49] <EriC^^> make sure the 120gb disk is first in the boot order in the bios after you reboot
[08:50] <sentiment> EriC^^: seems wrong
[08:50] <EriC^^> what seems wrong?
[08:50] <sentiment> didn't list sdb1, insyead listed sda1
[08:50] <sentiment> I mean the update result
[08:50] <EriC^^> sentiment: that makes sense, did it pick up the kernels first?
[08:50] <sentiment> before that it did list the /sdb1
[08:51] <sentiment> yeah, well you are right I guess
[08:51] <monkeystance> type update-grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:51] <EriC^^> he doesnt have net inside the chroot
[08:51] <EriC^^> we didnt mount --bind /run
[08:51] <sentiment> EriC^^: it seems fine
[08:51] <EriC^^> sentiment: ok, type 'exit' then try rebooting
[08:51] <sentiment> by before... I meant before this while procedure
[08:51] <sentiment> now the images were found first, then the /sda1
[08:52] <sentiment> no sign of /sdb1, which should be good right?
[08:52] <EriC^^> sentiment: it's cause update-grub was ran from outside the chroot
[08:52] <EriC^^> yeah
[08:52] <sentiment> oh
[08:52] <EriC^^> it all looks good, give it a try
[08:52] <sentiment> ok, fingers crossed :D
[08:53] <sentiment> and thanks alot
[08:53] <monkeystance> EriC^^, what distro/flavor are you running atm?
[08:53] <EriC^^> ubuntu 16.04
[08:53] <monkeystance> on which de?
[08:53] <EriC^^> i'm a unity guy
[08:53] <EriC^^> xD
[08:54] <monkeystance> a bit of a fanboy?
[08:54] <monkeystance> haha
[08:54] <EriC^^> i like it, it's pertty
[08:54] <EriC^^> :)
[08:54] <monkeystance> what's the ram usage like nowadays?
[08:55] <monkeystance> I'm on xfce and considering throwing xubuntu onto my rpi
[08:55] <EriC^^> i think around 1gb, you'd need like 2gb comfortably i think
[08:56] <monkeystance> that's a bit too heavy for me I think
[08:57] <monkeystance> how'd you go?
[08:57] <sentiment> EriC^^: yay :D
[08:57] <EriC^^> :D
[08:57] <sentiment> monkeystance: fine
[08:57] <sentiment> but
[08:57] <sentiment> it feels slow
[08:57] <EriC^^> how long did it take to boot?
[08:57] <sentiment> I expected it to boot up and be ready in a snap
[08:58] <sentiment> well the boot screen was fast , the login process was rather slow
[08:58] <sentiment> the purple screen remained for too long
[08:59] <sentiment> I mean, after I try to login, the desktop takes time to load
[08:59] <sentiment> it's the drivers , other configs  I guess
[08:59] <EriC^^> sentiment: this might help https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization
[09:00] <sentiment> EriC^^: thanks again, that's the least I can do :)
[09:00] <EriC^^> sentiment: no problem :)
[09:01] <sentiment> btw can I remove the other Ubuntu now?
[09:02] <sentiment> and update the grub then right?
[09:02] <sentiment> should be ok
[09:02] <EriC^^> sentiment: yeah, how are you going to remove it though
[09:03] <monkeystance> disk destroyer?
[09:03] <sentiment> monkeystance: nah, I'd put it in a microwave like Mr Robot :D
[09:03] <EriC^^> sentiment: what about the /home partition though?
[09:03] <sentiment> EriC^^: I'll just remove the / partition out of it
[09:04] <sentiment> and reclain the space for /home
[09:04] <sentiment> reclaim *
[09:04] <monkeystance> where's your /home right now?
[09:04] <sentiment> old disk
[09:04] <EriC^^> sentiment: /home is in a logical partition, "/" is the primary partition
[09:04] <EriC^^> https://termbin.com/khdf /dev/sda5 is /home
[09:04] <sentiment> yeah right
[09:04] <monkeystance> and sdb[number] is root?
[09:04] <monkeystance> root dir*
[09:05] <EriC^^> sentiment: btw, can you type "df -h /"
[09:05] <sentiment> i'll format it, then create a master partition and use it as extra space
[09:05] <monkeystance> dont format your home
[09:06] <monkeystance> can you copy /home to sdc?
[09:06] <monkeystance> how much space is on that
[09:06] <sentiment> EriC^^: yeah so?
[09:06] <EriC^^> sentiment: is it using 113gb?
[09:06] <EriC^^> the size of it
[09:07] <monkeystance> iirc, resizing partitions isn't very fun
[09:07] <EriC^^> i mean does it list its full size as 113gb or so
[09:07] <sentiment> total size is 37G
[09:07] <EriC^^> oh
[09:07] <EriC^^> i thought that might happen
[09:07] <monkeystance> gparted?
[09:07] <EriC^^> sentiment: since the partition was cloned, the filesystem is still 40gb as it was on the old disk
[09:07] <sentiment> home come so?
[09:07] <sentiment> oh
[09:08] <EriC^^> sentiment: it's easy though, you can use resize2fs to expand it so it uses the full partition
[09:08] <sentiment> yeah ok :)
[09:08] <EriC^^> i think ext4 allows online expanding while it's running too
[09:08] <monkeystance> how much ram do you have?
[09:08] <EriC^^> try "sudo resize2fs /dev/sdb1"
[09:08] <sentiment> I'll think about the /home monkeystance , it's not big deal right now :)
[09:09] <sentiment> monkeystance: 4GB, this is an old system , but gets the job done very well :D
[09:10] <sentiment> EriC^^: awesome resized :D
[09:10] <EriC^^> great :D
[09:11] <EriC^^> when and if you want to put /home on the whole sda disk, gdisk might be able to move it to the start of the disk and make it a primary partition and expand it, if you have important info on it backup before for sure though :D
[09:11] <sentiment> though the total size is still not 113G
[09:11] <sentiment> it's 104G
[09:12] <EriC^^> i mean gparted not gdisk sorry
[09:12] <EriC^^> yeah that's cause 104gb is 113GB (gibibyte and gegabyte)
[09:12] <sentiment> yeah I'll keep that in mind, thanks again
[09:12] <sentiment> yeah, suspected that
[09:14] <andi> Hello
[09:14] <monkeystance> hi andi
[09:15] <monkeystance> this is pretty ridiculous: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Binaryvdecimal.svg
[09:15] <andi> I do have an LVM which I would like to extend. I added some more diskspace to the vm ubuntu is running on and my partition table right now looks like this:
[09:15] <monkeystance> unpictured; 21% for yottabyes
[09:15] <monkeystance> yottabytes*
[09:16] <andi> https://imgur.com/a/OkBZPKQ
[09:17] <andi> An extended partiiton with a volume inside which holds the lvm. When I delete the volume and the extended partition fdisk doesn't let me create new partitions at the same start.
[09:17] <monkeystance> andi, after you delete the volume you have to commit the changes
[09:17] <monkeystance> before you can use the space
[09:18] <EriC^^> not really, he should be able to tell fdisk to create new partitions there without writing anything first
[09:19] <monkeystance> if he wants to use the byte range occupied by partition sdz2
[09:19] <monkeystance> he would have to delete the partition before he can create a partition occupying that space
[09:19] <monkeystance> no?
[09:20] <az> Hello, I'm having crash at envelope insertion in Libreoffice it seems that it happens on Ubuntu only could you please try to reproduce it? screen record: https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=151459
[09:20] <andi> https://imgur.com/a/ALD0EjX This is how the creation of the new partitions look like. fdisk doesn't let me start the logical partition bevore 1003520, but why? The extended partition starts at 1001470.
[09:21] <andi> monkeystance: I did that a lot of times. This is why fdisk is really cool, you can hand in tasks and at the end when everything is correct hit write to do the real changes.
[09:22] <andi> In this case I would delete the partitions and I would not be able to access the data anymore when I'm not able to create the partition at the same start positions because the superblock can't by found by the system, then.
[09:22] <EriC^^> andi: try creating the extended partition further back, ultimately you dont care about it anyways, all you care about is where the logical one is
[09:22] <EriC^^> you have a lot of space between the /boot and start of the extended anyways, so put it at
[09:22] <EriC^^> 997377
[09:23] <EriC^^> and create the logical one in the proper place
[09:23] <monkeystance> az, I just tried it and it was fine, but it might be because I'm on libreoffice 6.1.5.2
[09:24] <andi> EriC^^: That's it! I created it at 999424 as fdisk mentioned and then when I try to create the logical parition it gives me the exact starting point. Thank you!
[09:24] <EriC^^> andi: no problem
[09:30] <az> monkeystance, you have evolutionLocal?
[09:30] <az> as a database source?
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett ; )
[09:39] <cfhowlett> yowza^3 lotuspsychje
[09:48] <zetheroo> why? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KZsxc64bzG/
[09:51] <EriC^^> zetheroo: for some reason bash is taking 'find /blabla' as the command
[09:51] <EriC^^> that's bash error not from find's part
[09:52] <EriC^^> zetheroo: type "type -a find"
[09:52] <EriC^^> (likely your $PATH is wrong)
[09:52] <zetheroo> find is /usr/bin/find
[09:52] <EriC^^> hmm
[09:52] <EriC^^> try "/usr/bin/find /home/gitlab-runner/builds -mtime +1"
[09:53] <zetheroo> that works
[09:53] <sentiment> hello back again
[09:53] <EriC^^> zetheroo: does 'which find' work?
[09:53] <sentiment> continuing the slowness topic here
[09:53] <zetheroo> /usr/bin/find
[09:53] <sentiment> systemd-analyze reports Startup finished in 38.203s (kernel) + 14.527s (userspace) = 52.730s
[09:54] <sentiment> it's too much being on a SSD
[09:54] <sentiment> plus graphical.target reached after 14.480s in userspace
[09:54] <popey_> sentiment: "systemd-analyze plot > boot.svg" - will generate a timeline graph to show what's eating boot time
[09:54] <sentiment> I'm not sure where to start, I did check the obvious startup apps and it's just two items
[09:55] <sentiment> oh cool
[09:55] <EriC^^> sentiment: try systmd-analyze plot > /tmp/boot.svg && cat /tmp/boot.svg | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:57] <sentiment> nice graphics
[09:57] <sentiment> https://termbin.com/klrp
[09:57] <sentiment> EriC^^: it's related to the new drive
[09:57] <sentiment> sdb1
[09:58] <sentiment> among other things
[09:59] <sentiment> though it's not the principal problem , but still 4 seconds is a lot
[10:00] <sentiment> searching plymouth issue btw
[10:02] <sentiment> is it a bug?
[10:02] <sentiment> btw interesting to see MS Azure ads on the askubuntu site :D
[10:02] <sentiment> MS is really pushing Azure
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> sentiment: ubuntu version and kernel?
[10:05] <sentiment> EriC^^: the newwork manager and plymouth service are at fault for the most part
[10:06] <sentiment> 18.10 4.18.0-20-generic
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> sentiment: did you upgrade from 18.04 before, or fresh install?
[10:07] <sentiment> upgrade
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> sentiment: can you please try a fresh install 18.04.2 with kernel 4.18?
[10:08] <popey_> lotuspsychje: wipe out an install to debug a boot speed problem?
[10:08] <sentiment> well, no :)
[10:08] <sentiment> plymouth has been problematic since the upgrade
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> popey_: i created a bug on it this morning, take a look  bug 1829447
[10:09] <sentiment> first it crashed on startup and I had to reconfigure it
[10:09] <sentiment> and now this
[10:09] <popey_> lotuspsychje: I'd be inclined to modify the bug to explain the issue in the subject. "Fast boot up" is not a bug :)
[10:10] <sentiment> lotuspsychje: I'm afraid I can't do that, I'd rather stick with this situation than to do a fresh install unless I have enogh time
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> sentiment: sure, your choice
[10:11] <sentiment> but what about the device delays? are those related too?
[10:14] <sentiment> I might disable plymouth
[10:14] <sentiment> I'm going to now
[10:16] <zetheroo> I thought that the date of a folder would be the date of the most recent file/dir created or modified within it ... is this not the case?
[10:16] <cfhowlett> date of the folder is the date of its creation
[10:16] <cfhowlett> FILE dates are the latest edit
[10:17] <zetheroo> drwxrwxr-x 99 gitlab-runner gitlab-runner 4096 Mär 26 11:17 web_software/
[10:17] <zetheroo> so this folder was created on the 26th of March ?
[10:17] <cfhowlett> yep
[10:18] <zetheroo> how then does it have sub-folders created in 2017?
[10:20] <cfhowlett> I create a folder on Date X.  I move files into said folder.  Those files were created on Date X +/- x
[10:20] <cfhowlett> for example: my dropbox
[10:20] <zetheroo> ok, these folders weren't moved into there ... they are created by gitlab CI
[10:21] <cfhowlett> that would be my understanding.  feel free to verify.
[10:21] <zetheroo> and the most recent sub-folder is:
[10:21] <zetheroo> drwxrwxr-x 11 gitlab-runner gitlab-runner 4096 Mär 26 11:18 icing-rega-webapp/
[10:21] <cfhowlett> should be the creation date of said subfolder yeah?
[10:21] <zetheroo> creation/modification - yes
[10:21] <sentiment> didn't make a diff
[10:22] <sentiment> the issue is with the dev setups
[10:22] <sentiment> It must be because of the new image restoration onto the new drive
[10:22] <sentiment> EriC^^: ^
[10:22] <zetheroo> so the most recent subdir has the same date and is one min older than the parent dir
[10:23] <sentiment> I disabled the splash screen and the process seemed to pause at the dev inits
[10:23] <zetheroo> this suggests to me that the parent dir date/time is linked to the date/time on it's contents somehow - because I know for certain that the parent dir was not created on that date
[10:23] <apothecarius> hi, I was wondering if I could somehow scroll with animation by default in evince
[10:23] <apothecarius> so not pixelwise with touchpad, I just want animation to follow the lines
[10:24] <apothecarius> i know i can do it with Ctrl+Arrow, but I'd basically just wanna change the hotkey to Arrow
[10:25] <seni> if I'm using a pipe ( `|` ) between binaries, that just stays in memory right? it's not using sending it to disk?
[10:25] <sentiment> what is sys-devices-virtual-block-loop2.device:
[10:25] <sentiment> there are loads of them and they take time
[10:28] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[10:53] <linuxsec> hay
[10:56] <lostever> I miss you.
[10:59] <detly> so, I have two machines on a LAN, ethernet connected, and one has a large hard drive attached. I'd like to access it somewhat transparently from the other machine, and I was thinking of mounting it via NFS or CIFS (Samba). Do either of those protocols use encryption, or do I need to run them through a VPN if I want that? Is there a better way to provide this access?
[11:04] <Triffid_Hunter> detly: sshfs may interest you
[11:04] <detly> Triffid_Hunter: ah I'd forgotten about that
[11:04] <detly> the issue there is I need to map uids
[11:05] <detly> do I need to do that with NFS too? I can't remember
[11:07] <Triffid_Hunter> detly: uid mapping? ah I think you want NFS for that
[11:08] <detly> no I mean, if I use sshfs, and the uids are different on each machine, I'll end up with my files being owned by the wrong user
[11:08] <Triffid_Hunter> detly: nope that's nfs. sshfs basically tosses uids out, so on local they're whoever called sshfs and on the remote it uses whoever you logged in as
[11:09] <detly> ahhh
[11:11] <Triffid_Hunter> detly: to the point where root can't look at your sshfs mount unless you pass -o allow_other.. and now I'm looking at its help, it apparently *can* map uids and gids for you, but just uses local user -> remote login user by default
[11:44] <tarelerulz> I have a bunch of different installs , How do I find the partitoin I'm running on right now?
[11:46] <OerHeks> tarelerulz, 'mount' would tell
[11:47] <OerHeks> paste the output on paste.ubuntu.com and we might be able to help you
[11:50] <tarelerulz> Thanks , I found out. There was just a lot.
[11:50] <OerHeks> :-)
[11:52] <alazred> Hi there! Anyone have some experience with wireguard ?
[11:56] <dva5912> I think i have a permissions issue, but i dont honestly know where.. My user is part of the group that has access to the folder, the folder is under 775 permissions. however when i go to make a folder  i get the error of "mkdir: cannot create directory ‘test’: No space left on device", it does not do this with files however, and i can sudo the mkdir command and it goes through
[11:58] <en1gma> i have a laptop that i have ubuntu 18.04 amd64 desktop on a 2.5" HDD and i also have a windows 10 64bit pro on a 2.5" SSD. whenever i want to use ubuntu 18.04 i just pop that drive in. when i want to use win10 i just swap drives. well i got one of those dvd adapter that lets you put a hard drive inside it. so now i can have both drives in my laptop at same time. anyhow this isnt the first time
[11:58] <en1gma> i have had a dual boot system but one thing i know is ubuntu likes to take over the bootloader on mbr or w/e and it will cause my windows drive not to be able to boot.
[11:58] <en1gma> how can i stop ubuntu from wanting to take over my windows 10 drive
[11:58] <ioria> dva5912, chech df -h and df -i
[11:59] <tomreyn> dva5912: "no space left on device" is not a permissions issue, but either a lack of freely allocatable file system space (df -h) or of available file system inodes (df -hi).
[12:00] <dva5912> ioria: tomreyn... there isnt any way this should be any where close to full but it is.916G avail, and 910G used..would i still get that error with 6G remaining?
[12:01] <ioria> dva5912, can you paste both ?
[12:02] <dva5912> ioria: https://pastebin.com/nFXuFTDq
[12:02] <Sugar> hola
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> !es | Sugar
[12:03] <tomreyn> dva5912: you potentially would, if it's an ext3 or ext4 file system, where 5% of the overall storage are reserved for the super user.
[12:03] <Sugar> I just say hola fam, chill on the es room
[12:04] <Sugar> I booted my xubuntu install from 2009 today
[12:04] <Sugar> Somehow it still mostly worked
[12:04] <tomreyn> dva5912: so, yes, /dev/mapper/Storage-Storage is too full. either delete some data, or change the amount of reserved space (but then this file system will get slow)
[12:04] <ioria> dva5912, /dev/mapper/Storage-Storage  916G  910G     0 100% /storage
[12:04] <dva5912> tomreyn: i never expected my backups to take up 900G of space.. im guessing something went wrong last night with backups. Im guessing that SU has the ability to bypass reserved spaces?
[12:05] <Sugar> not really i don't think
[12:05] <Sugar> Do you purge your old backups?
[12:05] <EriC^^> en1gma: are you in ubuntu right now/
[12:05] <dva5912> Sugar: It backs them up localy, archives them, then pushes them to cloud backup. Its supposed to purge the archive file and the original backup files
[12:05] <tomreyn> dva5912: yes, the root user can bypass the reserve.
[12:07] <tomreyn> dva5912: check your backup logs, i'd say.
[12:07] <Sugar> did the backup also clone the unused data. I have a script that backs up but ignores large amounts of 0x00 data
[12:08] <dva5912> well.... that was it. purged 900G of data and im able to write again. Thanks ioria, tomreyn !
[12:08] <ioria> ok
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> !who | Sugar
[12:08] <Sugar> okay ubottu
[12:09] <Sugar> did that work?
[12:09] <dva5912> Sugar: No, i use rclone to make incremental backups localy, then use tar to package it up, then rclone to push it to cloud storage. another process cleans up debris left by the first two operations.
[12:09] <dva5912> Its that last process that didnt go through unfortunently
[12:12] <Sugar> dvA5912: I would make a failsafe script that checks the failstateto make sure it can fix itself
[12:14] <dva5912> Sugar: i agree... or in my case make sure the clean up procedure isnt commented out   -.-
[12:16] <Sugar> dva5912: well, that will do it
[12:18] <en1gma> anyone have any info on stopping ubuntu 18.04 from taking over my windows 10 partition now that both drives are actually in same system? it was just either my windows 10ssd or my ubuntu 18.04 hdd was installed in my laptop 1 at a time
[12:19] <Sugar> en1gma: make GRUB take over the main drive your system boots to
[12:19] <en1gma> now both drives are in my system but i have not booted to ubuntu yet. right now i booted to windows 10 but once i restart and boot to ubuntu 18.04 i know if there is an ubuntu update that messes with grub it will try and own my windows 10 drive
[12:19] <Sugar> Should give you a boot menu
[12:19] <en1gma> hell no i dont want ubuntu to do jack shit with my windows 10 drive at all. i want to keep grub so it dont affect my windows 10 drive no matter what
[12:19] <pi_> hi
[12:19] <en1gma> been down that road way to many times
[12:20] <en1gma> i just forget how to tell ubuntu not to do anything with my windows 10 drive
[12:21] <en1gma> i can press F12 at boot time and pick which drive to boot from
[12:21] <raver> .
[12:21] <Sugar> en1gma: grub customizer would be helpful to you I think
[12:21] <en1gma> i thinking
[12:21] <Sugar> on ubuntu use grubconstomizer to change to boot menu and suff like that. also, if you tell grub to install on the right drive it shouldn't touch windows
[12:22] <en1gma> it wont touch windows until there is an update that uses update-grub
[12:22] <en1gma> which at that point will try and take over windows drive
[12:25] <en1gma> maybe u should ask in #grub
[12:25] <Sugar> perhaps
[12:29] <tomreyn> en1gma: how are those systems booting? UEFI or BIOS?
[12:29] <tomreyn> you'll need to answer this for both of them
[12:30] <en1gma> tomreyn both are uefi gpt
[12:31] <tomreyn> so you have two EFI system partitions, one on each storage?
[12:31] <Sugar> grub should be able to work with both drives. My main machine has ubuntu and win10 on one HDD and arch on another, and it works fine en1gma tomreyn
[12:31] <Sugar> I still reommend grugcustomizer in the apt repo
[12:32] <en1gma> yep i not going down that road. i want each drive to be 100 independent where i can pull the ubuntu drive out and my windows 10 will boot normal Or if i pull out windows 10 drive and insert ubuntu it will boot normal
[12:32] <Sugar> if you do fdisk -l you should be able to see the two drives, install grub to the ubuntu one, if you want you can make it know windows is there so you can use one drive to boot both, but both systems will be completely independant
[12:33] <tomreyn> en1gma: hmm that'll get difficult with uefi where the firmware will only read the first ESP it finds
[12:33] <Sugar> at worst grub will think there is a windows drive still there if you remove it. If you remove the ubuntu drive just reinstall gurb en1gma
[12:33] <en1gma> dont forget both drives are currently working 100% when i use one at a time. (so grub is already installed)
[12:34] <tomreyn> en1gma: what you could maybe do is to have the firmware change the order in whishch it'll access the two storages (some uefi firmwares allow for this).
[12:34] <Sugar> you can either use bios boot menu to boot to whichever one, or install grub again and let it find the windows drive. it won't do anyhting to the windows one if you tell it to install on the correct /dev en1gma
[12:35] <en1gma> no you are wrong
[12:35] <en1gma> lol done this too many time
[12:35] <en1gma> grub will treat windows 10 like a lil bitch and destroy it
[12:35] <en1gma> lost data to many time
[12:35] <tomreyn> !language
[12:35] <en1gma> these drives need to be 100% seperate
[12:36] <cfhowlett> !grub | en1gma might have to reinstall grub then.  fairly easy process.
[12:36] <en1gma> maybe i should just pull that drive out before it ever boots
[12:36] <en1gma> someone helped me before and it worked 100% i wish i knew where i copied that info too
[12:36] <en1gma> i know i wrote it down somewhere
[12:37] <tomreyn> it's unlikely that anyone here can help you remember this.
[12:37] <Sugar> ^
[12:37] <tomreyn> about the part where you worry about ubuntu changing something which could affect window, you may want to uninstall os-prober.
[12:38] <tomreyn> *windows
[12:38] <en1gma> yea i think it was os prober where someone told me that
[12:38] <tomreyn> (it doesn't really affect windows, though.)
[12:38] <en1gma> i thinking
[12:39] <Sugar> tomreyn, I have a question for you that might make you dislike me lol
[12:39] <en1gma> brb
[12:40] <tomreyn> Sugar: do you need me to respond to this situation?
[12:40] <Sugar> do youlie the way ubuntu looks? I personally hate it
[12:40] <Sugar> you like*
[12:40] <tomreyn> that's not a support question, and thus off topic for this channel.
[12:40] <Sugar> Okay then, cpatain grumpy
[12:41] <tomreyn> !discuss
[12:42]  * tuxi joined #ubuntu-discuss
[12:45] <leftyfb> en1gma: so, at the moment, both drives are bootable independently. And as you say above, you are happy to select the boot drive from your BIOS/EFI to determine which one boots. So what exactly is the issue again? Sounds like it's working exactly like you want.
[12:46] <zette> Test
[12:46] <leftyfb> zette: this is not the place to run tests
[12:47] <zette> leftyfb: Why?
[12:47] <cfhowlett> !test | zette
[12:47] <zette> Hm :v
[12:48] <leftyfb> zette: this is a support channel. There's an almost infinite amount of channels you can join in order to do testing
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> zette: type /join #test
[12:51] <zette> I want ask, I'm using Ubuntu 16.04.6 (32 bit) cn I upgrade to Ubuntu 18.04?
[12:52] <leftyfb> zette: yes
[12:53] <zette> I have notification about new release, but I cnt upgrade, and trying search in ubuntu site, but nothing ubuntu 18.04 for 32 bit
[12:54] <leftyfb> zette: why do you say you can't upgrade?
[12:55] <zette> Stuck in upgrade package
[12:55] <leftyfb> zette: can you be a little more specific?
[12:55] <leftyfb> zette: got an error message?
[12:55] <zette> Yes I got error msg
[12:56] <zette> when upgrade package
[12:56] <Cheez> no, leftyfb is asking you WHAT the error message is, not if you got one
[12:57] <zette> Wait
[13:00] <willksm> inb4 large log dump in irc...
[13:00] <leftyfb> !paste | zette
[13:00] <pikapika> lmao
[13:01] <en1gma> leftyfb i havent hit F12 and booted into F12 yet out of fear of me accidently  allowing updated and then ubuntu downloading and installing and then running update-grub
[13:01] <en1gma> after that happens if i were to take out my ubuntu drive my windows drive would not boot normally
[13:02] <en1gma> so yep they both work fine untul i take a grub update
[13:02] <en1gma> i wish this stuff could be controlled through bios for actually disabling drives
[13:02] <leftyfb> en1gma: updating/running grub from within Ubuntu does NOT affect your Windows installation on another drive. Period.
[13:03] <Cheez> On an unrelated note, 2 systems, both ubuntu 18.04, both with same apt mirror, both running the same kernel (4.15.0-48-generic) apt update / upgrade on one wants to install the 4.15.0-50-generic kernel, apt update / upgrade on the other does not. Why the discrepancy?
[13:03] <en1gma> you know i too smart to go down this road but you can google where linux is always trying to run both operating systems where on other hand windows does not try to do this too ubuntu
[13:04] <EriC^^> !info linux-generic bionic
[13:04] <en1gma> im just gonna not take any more updates. will probably disable all updates etc...
[13:04] <en1gma> thanks for the help
[13:04] <EriC^^> Cheez: did you run apt update on both systems
[13:04] <Cheez> yes
[13:05] <leftyfb> en1gma: I know exactly how grub manages things. It does not do what you say. It sounds like you had a bad experience once (btw, there was NO data loss due to anything GRUB did) due to not knowing what you were doing or how things work and assuming it's going to happen here, regardless of everyone here telling you otherwise.
[13:05]  * leftyfb sigh
[13:05] <EriC^^> what does apt-cache show linux-image-generic give you Cheez?
[13:06] <Cheez> 4.15.0.50.52 on both
[13:06] <EriC^^> Cheez: ok, is the kernel installed in both?
[13:06] <EriC^^> dpkg -l | grep linux-image-generic
[13:09] <Cheez> 4.15.0.50.52 on one, 4.15.0.48.51 on the other.
[13:09] <Cheez> the 50.52 one is the one i just upgraded, the other one is the one not offering me the upgrade
[13:10] <Cheez> ah, it's now offering me the upgrade on apt upgrade
[13:10] <Cheez> what the hell
[13:11] <EriC^^> you need apt full-upgrade for kernel stuff
[13:11] <Cheez> you know that definition of insanity is trying the same thing repeatedly and getting different results? Well if that's insanity why does that work
[13:11] <Cheez> EriC^^: never needed it before
[13:12] <Cheez> either way, now both upgraded
[13:12] <Cheez> suppose i should schedule a reboot for them
[13:12] <EriC^^> oh my bad, upgrade allows new installed packages, just wont remove any
[13:16] <TJ-> any ideas how to *restart* the initialramfs /init shell script from a remote SSH (dropbear) connection. Dropbear used to unlock LUKS and populate DM with LVs but seems like the /init scripts don't auto-detect that has been done so looking for a way to trigger /init to rescan for the root-fs device
[13:18] <leftyfb> TJ-: maybe the script should live in a different stage directory under scripts/ ?
[13:18] <TJ-> Maybe it dropped to shell, since /tmp/mountroot-fail-hooks.d/20-lvm2 will likely have returned 1
[13:19] <TJ-> leftyfb: this is a live system with a standard install, I'm not trying to adjust the layout, but recover a system stuck at this point
[13:19] <TJ-> leftyfb: some **!% person cut power to the (remote) building without checking first
[13:24] <TJ-> leftyfb: I found a "sh -i" running who's PPid is 1, which makes me think it is the shell the initrd would drop the local console to, so wondering about sending its stdin a Ctrl+D
[13:26] <drecondius> My rtl8812au dkms driver (the one that comes in the repos) keeps disconnecting mid download during updates and other downloads in general. Is there a more reliable module for it that, maybe i can build?
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> drecondius: whats your ubuntu version & kernel version please?
[13:33] <TJ-> leftyfb: ahh, got it, "kill -KILL <pid_of_sh-i>" continued the boot :)
[13:34] <drecondius> kubuntu 18.04.2 fresh install. I have to reboot after my video drivers finish installing, will let ya know kernen in a moment
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> Jackneill: have you been able to progress on your bug?
[13:40] <Jackneill> lotuspsychje, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1829402
[13:40] <Drecondius> Kubuntu 18.04.2 kernel 4.18.20
[13:40] <Jackneill> lotuspsychje, non-deterministically i am able to boot or not
[13:41] <Jackneill> havent had the time to fiddle away much as i have to also work :)
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> Drecondius: wifi was unstable during setup, is it more stable now after updates?
[13:41] <Jackneill> lotuspsychje, if you have a meaningful thing to try please let me know.
[13:41] <tomreyn> !mainline | Jackneill (as a reminder)
[13:42] <Jackneill> tomreyn had 2 i915 options but i had no time to try them, and i would have need quite some time to test multiple boots
[13:42] <Drecondius> seems to be so far. now to fix my damned font lol. too small
[13:42] <Jackneill> right
[13:42] <tomreyn> Jackneill: i see. as long as you can work with what you have, i guess that's fine.
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> Drecondius: check your resolution in systemsettings, if they match your monitor native res
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> Jackneill: did you have any other ubuntu version on this same machine running fine?
[13:44] <Drecondius> resolution says it's matches, but it's not. I can tell 1080 from 720
[13:44] <Jackneill> lotuspsychje, no, both 18.10 and 19.04 were bad
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> Jackneill: wiwh Os had the machine before, or by default?
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> *wich
[13:44] <Jackneill> lotuspsychje, i think it came with windows preinstalled
[13:45] <Jackneill> ops team wiped that for me
[13:45]  * Jackneill its sad the company paid for it though
[13:46] <Drecondius> nvidia xserver settings have the right font size but everything else doesn't.
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> Jackneill: maybe if you have time for it, test a lighter !flavour of ubuntu just as a test, and see if we can bypass those issues
[13:47] <Jackneill> lotuspsychje, i installed minimal. you mean a server version for example?
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> Jackneill: no, like lubuntu/xubuntu etc
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> Jackneill: i presume both your tests were with gnome?
[13:48] <Jackneill> hm i see
[13:48] <Jackneill> all yes
[13:48] <Jackneill> but gnome only starts after gdm login
[13:48] <Jackneill> so i'd say with gdm
[13:49] <Jackneill> or rather, i have disk encryption, and i didnt event get that prompt, when i got the hanging purple screen
[13:49] <Jackneill> so nothing starts really from that world
[13:49] <linux> р
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> Jackneill: perhaps also try to boot textmode, "quiet splash" to "" maybe we can catch more errors
[13:49] <Drecondius> Fixed it, just had to force larger font size.
[13:49] <linux> googl.ru
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> linux: can we help you?
[13:50] <linux> dzfs
[13:50] <linux> untrreyrt j  jgng ng n rth rt ewhr h j hj erjh  egjh   h eh    re er
[13:50] <linux>  r
[13:50] <linux> f
[13:50] <linux> f
[13:50] <linux> f
[13:50] <linux> f
[13:51] <Jackneill> lotuspsychje, i will keep that in mind.
[13:52] <Nebula_> test
 Jackneill: what if you boot using the default kernel but without "quiet", without "splash", without "nomodeset"? | <Jackneill> tomreyn, purple screen
[13:53] <Jackneill> lotuspsychje, we tried that with tomreyn ^
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> Jackneill: did not work out?
[13:53] <z3r0_d> cat like typing detected?
[13:53] <Jackneill> yes
[13:58] <TJ-> Jackneill: it could be a UEFI display hand-over issue. At boot if GRUB puts the display in a GFX (graphical) mode - which is the default - sometimes due to broken motherboard firmware when the OS starts and tries to take over the display and switch modes, the mode-switch fails and you end up not being able to see what the OS is writing to the framebuffer. There are some basic boot-tests can be done to
[13:58] <TJ-> diagnose if that is the case
[13:59] <Jackneill> TJ-, please write that in the issue
[13:59] <Jackneill>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1829402
[13:59] <Jackneill> and those boot tests-
[14:05] <TJ-> Jackneill: the bug report - when you collected the log-files that are attached to it, was that from a successful boot without you needing to do anything?
[14:09] <tomreyn> TJ-: yes, that's what i gaethered when we worked on it yesterday.
[14:10] <TJ-> tomreyn: great, you're there! I was just adding some observations and recommendations to the bug report :)
[14:10] <tomreyn> this was a boot where it went past th epurple screen and he logged in to gdm and accessed the deaktop and then filed the bug using apport.
[14:11] <tomreyn> TJ-: that's great, since i have not a lot of additional ideas at this point.
[14:11] <tomreyn> it just does seem like buggy firmware
[14:12] <Jackneill> TJ-, yes.
[14:12] <TJ-> tomreyn: TLDR: (1) is this a cold/warm reboot issue (therefore ACPI) ? (2) Can 'journalctl --list-boots' be used to identify logs of a *failed* boot and use 'journalctl -b X' to grab the log file? (3) has 'GRUB_TERMINAL=console' been tried
[14:12] <tomreyn> TJ-: and i don't think "your" DST approach would be able to work around the acpi bugy either, right
[14:13] <tomreyn> (3) hasn't been tried.
[14:13] <NebulaLove> test
[14:13] <TJ-> tomreyn: we need data to determine that; if we can grab a failed-boot journal it *may* show that efifb is unable to hand over to inteldrmfb - notice in the dmesg display is at 1920x1080x32 from efifb
[14:13] <tomreyn> (2), i don't know. i explained how to gather such logs, but didn't see any attempt to provide such.
[14:13] <Jackneill> TJ-, i can force a good boot with selecting a recovery entry from grub (getting there from bios) and remove recovery and add nomodeset
[14:13] <Jackneill> TJ-, so yes.
[14:13] <TJ-> Jackneill: tomreyn I'm adding these questions to the bug report
[14:14] <tomreyn> NebulaLove: Please don't run tests here. Instead, type this to join another channel where you can run tests: /join #test
[14:14] <tomreyn> thanks tj
[14:14] <TJ-> Jackneill: we'd expect "nomodeset" to work around it but it does it that cost of later functionality, display-wise, so it'd be good to find a better workaround
[14:15] <Jackneill> TJ-, yes :)
[14:16] <Jackneill> TJ-, as soon as you write the questions in the bug report i will try getting you logs,i am available  now.
[14:16] <ruben_> Hello. I'm trying to connect my headphones on front panel of my desktop, but I can't get any sound! Ubuntu 19.04
[14:16] <ruben_> Any help for that?
[14:17] <ruben_> I've tried alsamixer and pavucontrol and hdajackretask
[14:17] <ruben_> but no luck so far
[14:17] <TJ-> Jackneill: it's written :)
[14:18] <tomreyn> ruben_: does pavucontrol show that the headphones are plugged in, though? is this a desktop computer?
[14:18] <TJ-> ruben_: has that socket been proved to work previously?
[14:19] <ruben_> tomreyn, where can I see that?
[14:19] <ruben_> TJ-, yes... always worked on windows... still working on windows
[14:19] <Jackneill> TJ-, working on it.
[14:19] <TJ-> ruben_: great, that makes this easier!
[14:20] <Jackneill> aaand got a bad boot from cold powered off state (been powered off for some hours.)
[14:20] <tomreyn> ruben_: it would show up on the "input devices" tab then. i'm not at all good at debugging audio, though, if TJ- can help you there please work with him.
[14:20] <TJ-> ruben_: as tomreyn suggests, install/run "pavucontrol" and check the "Output" tab and the device "PORT" options for headphone connection(s)
[14:21] <ruben_> TJ-, on pavucontrol "output" I only can see digital exits (S/PDIF)
[14:22] <TJ-> ruben_: the usual cause for this issue is the hardware config (known as 'pins') is not correct for the particular PC make/model/audio chipset. There are workarounds if we can prove that is the cause. Kernel log will help there, so "pastebinit <( uname -a; lsb_release -a; dmesg )" and give us the URL
[14:23] <TJ-> ruben_: I might be telling you the wrong tab, let me check here :p
[14:24] <ruben_> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4z2gNcwDhJ/
[14:24] <TJ-> ruben_: no, I was correct. "Output Devices" then for the "Built-in Audio..." in the Ports selector should be at least "Speakers" and possibly 1 or 2 "Headphones"
[14:25] <avrdude> i have a .exe downloaded, how do i determine if this is a 32bit or 64bit program?
[14:25] <TJ-> ruben_: line 851 onwards shows the pin config, just FYI
[14:25] <ruben_> TJ-, on that tab I can see the volume for firefox... I'm running some youtube to test... and i see the volume up and down but i only got digital exit (S/PDIF) :/
[14:26] <tomreyn> avrdude: the "file" command may be able to tell.
[14:27] <carron> hello
[14:27] <TJ-> ruben_: seems like that device defines all its 5 outputs as "line", notice there are 0 hp_outs (that's headphones)
[14:28] <TJ-> ruben_: yes, this looks like a problem with the firmware of the system, or else that the audio device codec is so new the Linux kernel didn't know much about it
[14:28] <ruben_> TJ-, any solution?
[14:29] <ruben_> If i connect the headphones on back I got sound on headphones... the problem it's on front panel. only
[14:31] <ruben_> I've used hdajackretask to try to solve the problem, but nothing really happen
[14:31] <TJ-> ruben_: actually, it looks like you may be able to alter it in firmware settings, I'm reading (for that ALC887-VD "In the BIOS/UEFI, the digital output type is set to SP/DIF"
[14:32] <Jackneill> TJ-, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1829402 your logs
[14:32] <TJ-> ruben_: so I'd suggest your first check is to discover if there is a firmware setting that controls audio output selection. The mention in kernel log of snd_hda_intel loading the hda-jack-retask.fw hints that switching of the outputs is done internally on the device.
[14:33] <Jackneill> --list-boots cannot be used to get logs for the bad boot.
[14:33] <TJ-> ruben_: in which case it could be the device isn't detecting the headphones being plugged in
[14:33] <TJ-> Jackneill: fooey :(
[14:35] <TJ-> Jackneill: try the GRUB_TERMINAL test
[14:36] <carron> hello
[14:36] <TJ-> Jackneill: I predict GRUB_TERMINAL=console will solve it
[14:36] <TJ-> tomreyn: Jackneill and I suspect, if it does solve it, that the acpi_osi= trick might also solve it
[14:37] <Jackneill> acpi_osi=Linux ?
[14:38] <Jackneill> TJ-, for a brief moment i saw 2-3 lines of text, first line is "error: no video mode activated"
[14:38] <Jackneill> was unable to see more.
[14:38] <TJ-> Jackneill: gosh no; that is actually the problem! Linux responds to the OSI() enquirty with "linux" and the motherboard firmware thinks "I don't recognise that OS, I'll only enable very minimal devices" ! The 'trick' is to have Linux lie and tell firmware it is actually the latest version of Windows :)
[14:38] <Jackneill> but this is a successful boot no purple screen this time
[14:38] <TJ-> Jackneill: so, GRUB_TERMINAL=console was successfully booted to desktop?
[14:38] <Jackneill> so acpi_osi=Windows?:D
[14:39] <Jackneill> TJ-, yes, but its non-determinitsitc so its hard to tell
[14:39] <Jackneill> if the error still exists or not
[14:39] <Jackneill> requires many boots.
[14:39] <TJ-> Jackneill: OK, I'll link you to my article on how to choose and set the optimum acpi_osi: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[14:43] <Jackneill> TJ-, i got a bad boot this time.
[14:43] <Jackneill> TJ-, hanging black screen with 2 lines: first is what i said above, second: 'error: can't find command `hwmatch`'
[14:45] <TJ-> Jackneill: the fact you can see the text is a good thing, as it may point to the issue not being video at all, but possibly something else that is hanging the entire system
[14:45] <Jackneill> TJ-, commented this fact on the issue
[14:47] <TJ-> ruben_: It looks like the HDA codec in your PC has a long history of needing fix-ups to add headset pin configs. I'm linking you to the up-to-date commit log: read through it see of you can notice your make/model (or something very close) mentioned. If you do find something, we can then check if that is included in the kernel on your system of if you need a more recent kernel.
[14:47] <TJ-> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/log/sound/pci/hda/patch_realtek.c
[14:48] <ruben_> TJ-, will check the link
[14:48] <kjwehf> I just updated my 18:14 LTS to the latest version and now it can't recognise my screen resolution. I'm stuck on 1024x768 on a 3440x1440 screen. Does anyone know whats caused this? I've tried both the propietary and open source driver and it makes no difference
[14:49] <TJ-> Jackneill: "hwmatch" is part of the GRUB boot-loader, and (is supposed) to be executed by GRUB at boot-time to check if the GPU is included in a blacklist: "/boot/grub/grub.cfg:122:    if hwmatch ${prefix}/gfxblacklist.txt 3; then ..." - so it appears the hand-over from GRUB to Linux kernel is failing
[14:50] <Jackneill> TJ-, please write that in the issue too :) so others can see.
[14:51] <kjwehf> huh, TJ could that be my problem as well?
[14:51] <kjwehf> I randomly had grub appear on my boot and I have to type exit everytime I boot my machine
[14:52] <Jackneill> kjwehf, i get hanging purple screen
[14:52] <Jackneill> and randomly unable to boot.
[14:53] <ruben_> TJ-, i guess 	ALSA: hda/realtek - Comprehensive model list for ALC882 & co and ALSA: hda/realtek - Simplify alc885_fixup_macpro_gpio() are close enough to 887
[14:54] <ruben_> cant see nothing really that look like my sound card/codec
[14:55] <TJ-> ruben_: what's the date on that commit?
[14:56] <ruben_> TJ-, 25/26 june 2018
[14:56] <TJ-> kjwehf's issue sounds to be GRUB, or more likely initialramfs, dropping into a shell
[14:56] <TJ-> ruben_: OK, that helps me find it!
[14:57] <ruben_> TJ-, I've seeing this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack what do you think?
[15:01] <jfcaron> Do I need to reboot or log out/in to see changes in my locale?
[15:01] <jfcaron> I am trying to change my LC_TIME and a new terminal or new mail client don't see the changes.
[15:02] <vincenzo> Hi, I have a machine with ubuntu 18.04.2 and would try to use the latest *ubuntu* (not mainline) kernel (5.0 in ubuntu 19.04) onit
[15:02] <vincenzo> Is it doable / easy?
[15:02] <vincenzo> Actually I seem to need it only to get sensors working on the ryzen B450M chipset
[15:03] <vincenzo> so if there is another option I'd be happy to hear it
[15:06] <Cheline> hello
[15:06] <BluesKaj> vincenzo, the latest 19.04 image contains the 5.0 kernel if you care to google it
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> welcome Cheline what can we do for you?
[15:07] <TJ-> ruben_: that doesn't appear to apply. the ALC887-VD support was added in 2012 so it must be an old chipset so we'd expect it to have support. HOWEVER, many specific makes/models of PC need 'quirks' adding to change defaults when the PC maker alters them. The driver contains many quirks but I do not see any related to the ALC887-VD
[15:07] <NebulaLove> ls
[15:07] <vincenzo> BluesKaj, I know how to google, and I don't understand what you said: I do know, and wrote above, that 5.0 is in ubuntu 19.04. I want to install it on *18.04.2*?
[15:08] <NebulaLove> Desktop Documents Videos Pictures Music
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> NebulaLove: only ubuntu questions here please
[15:08] <NebulaLove> ok
[15:08] <ruben_> TJ-, so... the solution it's get my pc tower and turn it around so my headphones cable can connect on the back door...!? lol :D
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> vincenzo: for kernel play on ubuntu we reccomend the !mainline ones
[15:10] <ruben_> I really like ubuntu/linux... I've installed and tested new versions for years. This one looks really good. But I have always something missing/not working bahhh! That sucks!! lol
[15:10] <vincenzo> lotuspsychje: I would install it on the spot but I've read everywhere that it's not recommended for "production", now we are not a company but the machine is going to be a server anyway
[15:11] <vincenzo> lotuspsychje: on the other hand, a server without working sensors does not look like a great idea either...
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> vincenzo: for server reccomends, you can try #ubuntu-server
[15:11] <vincenzo> let me see, thanks
[15:12] <TJ-> ruben_: I *do* see another B150M motherboard mentioned (yours is "Asus B150M-PLUS D3"), but it is ASRock, and uses the ALC892 not ALC897, with the quirk "ALC892_FIXUP_ASROCK_MOBO"
[15:13] <ruben_> TJ-, yes it is... b150m-plus d3 that's my board from asus
[15:15] <TJ-> ruben_: here's a test for you. Plug headphones into BOTH rear and front ports, and tell us which, if any, have sound :)
[15:16] <TJ-> ruben_: also, can you show us "pastebinit <( 'cat /proc/asound/card*/codec#* )"
[15:17] <ruben_> TJ-, i have sound on back in the grey jack... mic I think
[15:19] <TJ-> pink is usually Microphone, Green Speaker/HP, and grey line in/out
[15:19] <ruben_> I only got sound on grey
[15:19] <TJ-> ruben_: but as the kernel reports that system having 5 line in/out connections... who knows :)
[15:20] <ruben_> I don't mind the color... lol
[15:20] <ruben_> I just wish I can get sound on front :)
[15:21] <TJ-> ruben_: now, in a terminal, run "alsamixer", ensure you've the ALC882 device selected (not HDMI) then see if it has a "HP/Speaker auto detect" and if so, try toggling it/them whilst using the front headphones
[15:22] <ruben_> TJ-, I can't get the latest pastebinit... nothing really happens
[15:27] <electrickarhu> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/c83b6b5ad3850e03673660f0e7d88a12/pasted.txt
[15:27] <ruben_> TJ-, now its working on green
[15:27] <ruben_> I've open alsamixer
[15:28] <ruben_> on back
[15:28] <ruben_> on alsamixer I got no headphones
[15:28] <electrickarhu> I have pasted my issue above if someone could look at it ^
[15:28] <electrickarhu> Really lost here and would appreciate any help
[15:28] <ruben_> still no sound on front
[15:32] <ledeni> ruben_: did you install 'pavucontrol'
[16:01] <TJ-> ruben_: so it appears that Asus have configured the ALC892-VD in a non-standard way, and the kernel only configures it for the default Realtek config, which has broken it. The Windows audio driver will have been modified to configure it correctly which is probably why that works.
[16:32] <en1gma> does ubuntu have a package that can read the pulses when i scroll my mouse wheel. the direction would be nice also
[16:33] <TJ-> en1gma: input events such as those may be visible using xev, but I'm not sure it'll give the level of detail you require
[16:36] <en1gma> TJ- https://studio.youtube.com/video/5vhtH2g5euQ/edit
[16:36] <en1gma> if i could use a mouse wheel for positional data that would be awesome
[16:36] <en1gma> i will look up the xev you mentioned
[16:43] <fang> hello
[16:45] <Amethist> hello
[16:45] <fang> :)
[16:45] <Amethist> i have this issue
[16:45] <Amethist> i get a black screen
[16:45] <fang>  black screen ?
[16:45] <Amethist> with a working cursor
[16:45] <Amethist> anytime i try to  boot
[16:45] <Amethist> yes , black screen
[16:46] <Amethist> i turn the pc
[16:46] <Amethist> the grub menu comes in
[16:46] <Amethist> i select Ubuntu
[16:46] <Amethist> then i get a black screen
[16:46] <fang> : (
[16:46] <daedeloth> h
[16:46] <fang> why
[16:46] <fang> ?
[16:46] <Amethist> and i have the cursor working
[16:46] <Amethist> i think i interruted
[16:47] <Amethist> interrupted*
[16:47] <Amethist> an update
[16:47] <fang> 6
[16:47] <fang> I think you can re-install the system
[16:47] <Amethist> how?
[16:48] <Amethist> first
[16:48] <Amethist> i have to know
[16:48] <Amethist> what version
[16:48] <Amethist> is my linux rn
[16:48] <Amethist> i tried googling it
[16:48] <OerHeks> "re-install the system"  linux is not windows...
[16:48] <Amethist> bt i couldnt find a way to know what is my ubuntu version while in grub
[16:48] <OerHeks> Amethist, boot in recovery mode, and run updates again
[16:48] <Amethist> OerHeks:  hmm
[16:49] <OerHeks> !recovery
[16:49] <fang> 6
[16:49] <OerHeks> sudo apt update/ sudo apt install -f # usually works
[16:53] <Amethist> in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[16:53] <Amethist> step 6 Press Return and your machine will begin the boot process.
[16:54] <Amethist> this will get me a normal boot
[16:54] <qwebirc69351> hi hi
[16:54] <qwebirc69351> i download clang how to install it? what command in terminal?
[16:56] <analyser> Hello. I've just installed kubuntu. However, when I try to boot from HD I got stuck with GRUB _ and nothing more. Any ideias how to solve this?
[16:56] <OerHeks> qwebirc69351, downloaded? just install it from the repos, sudo apt install clang
[16:56] <Amethist> nvm ,what i wrote before
[16:57] <OerHeks> qwebirc69351, and if you like our support, please register
[16:57] <OerHeks> thanks
[16:59] <mal__> Hi, since the network-manager 1.10.14-0ubuntu2 upgrade, my local DNS no longer seems to pass queries on to DNS servers configured in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d/ - downgrading the package fixes the issue, but I'm not sure why. Is it a known issue? I couldn't find it being tracked anywhere. Thanks!
[17:02] <lbiyase_> hi
[17:05] <qwebirc69351> oerheks how?
[17:06] <leftyfb> mal__: why aren't you configuring your DNS servers in network manager?
[17:07] <qwebirc69351> I get warnin disk space notification and cannot log it why?
[17:07] <qwebirc69351> cannot even see what is the notification?
[17:07] <Amethist> OerHeks:  that worked, thanks
[17:08] <Amethist> now
[17:08] <Amethist> i want to update my 17.04 ubuntu
[17:09] <leftyfb> Amethist: you are better off doing a fresh install
[17:09] <Amethist> bt i get  "failed to download repository information"
[17:09] <Amethist> wow
[17:09] <mal__> leftyfb: I used to on 16.04, but then 18.04 swapped the network stack over to using systemd-resolved so I started using that
[17:09] <Amethist> i'll lose all my customizations
[17:09] <popey_> Amethist: the repo gets moved when a release goes end of life
[17:09] <popey_> !eol | Amethist
[17:09] <tomreyn> !17.04
[17:09] <popey_> Amethist: that second link on EOLUpgrades is worth a look
[17:10] <qwebirc69351> can i increase storage of an already create VM with ubuntu?
[17:10] <qwebirc69351> i cannot log in it says storage issue or sth
[17:10] <qwebirc69351> in log in page
[17:11] <tomreyn> qwebirc69351: if the storage devices provide unallocated space (such as because they were resized), then ubuntu can make use of them.
[17:11] <qwebirc69351> tomreym how? i turn on and off and seems i can log in now
[17:12] <tomreyn> qwebirc69351: how you'll resize the storage devices (and do so without loosing data) is something that'll depend on the virtualization you're using.
[17:12] <qwebirc69351> i need more space in the harddisk what can i do? cannot instal clang
[17:13] <qwebirc69351> virtualboc tomreyn
[17:13] <tomreyn> qwebirc69351: does "sudo fdisk -l" suggest you have unallocated space available now? you can post the output online using: sudo fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:13] <qwebirc69351> tomreyn not sure many lines appeared
[17:14] <tomreyn> we only support virtualbox running on ubuntu here. does your host system run ubuntu?
[17:14] <qwebirc69351> tomreyn do i need to create another VM?
[17:15] <qwebirc69351> whats maximum storage i can choose?
[17:15] <qwebirc69351> how to release from  main laptop?
[17:15] <qwebirc24177> Since upgrading to Disco, Firefox starts in the center of the screen with no window decorations. I can't close or maximise the window. Other applications are normal. How can I fix this?
[17:15] <tomreyn> i may be able to answer your questions once you answer mine
[17:15] <leftyfb> ugh, all these qwebirc's
[17:16] <leftyfb> qwebirc24177: mv ~/.mozilla ~/mozilla
[17:16] <leftyfb> qwebirc24177: then try opening firefox again
[17:16] <qwebirc24177> leftyfb: tried that, same result :(
[17:16] <qwebirc24177> leftyfb: tried it again, now it works wtf
[17:16] <qwebirc24177> leftyfb: thanks
[17:17] <qwebirc69351> ?
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc69351: when volunteers ask you more info, please provide details
[17:20] <qwebirc69351> can i increase storage or a machine in virtualbox with ubuntu?
[17:20] <rud0lf> qwebirc69351: did you mean "on a machine"?
[17:20] <Apachez> qwebirc69351: "with ubuntu"?
[17:21] <Apachez> you mean the vm guest is running ubuntu?
[17:21] <Apachez> there are a few methods to increase storage
[17:21] <qwebirc69351> rudOlf yes in virtual boc
[17:21] <Apachez> one is to simply increase it lets say from 80GB to 100GB or whatever, then the 20GB you just added will be unallocated so you must from within your vm guest create a partition
[17:22] <Apachez> depending on partition type you can expand it on the fly sometimes
[17:22] <Apachez> most foolproof way is otherwise to boot your vm guest from an iso, create a new storage with the new size, partition it as you want then copy the old storage to the new storage
[17:22] <Apachez> then reconfig that vm from virtualbox so you remove the old storage (dont delete it yet) and boot on the new storage
[17:24] <leftyfb> qwebirc69351: you might have better luck in #virtualbox for how to increase the storage size of your VM. Then, if they can't help you resize your Ubuntu partition, come here and ask for help with it
[17:24] <qwebirc69351> apachez looks complcated
[17:24] <qwebirc69351> leftyfb ok whats link please?
[17:24] <leftyfb> qwebirc69351: /join #virtualbox
[17:25] <rfm> actially it's just /join #vbox
[17:30] <qwebirc69351> leftyfb how? where to click?
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc69351: just type /join #yourchannel
[17:39] <AutoExec> for LTS version what happens after 5 years?
[17:39] <AutoExec> upgrade to the newer release to continue getting updates?
[17:40] <AutoExec> will updates just stop for current LTS version?
[17:40] <leftyfb> updates will stop unless you pay for ESM  https://www.ubuntu.com/esm
[17:41] <AutoExec> so should I not use LTS?
[17:41] <AutoExec> I want to always be able to get the latest updates
[17:41] <jcotton> the point of LTS is long-term stability
[17:42] <leftyfb> AutoExec: you'll need to upgrade to the latest LTS before it's support runs out after 5 years. Your other option is to go with non-LTS and only get 9 months of support per release. Your choice.
[17:42] <jcotton> if you choose LTS you willingly forego the latest features in the OS and apps
[17:42] <AutoExec> leftyfb: so once I update in time then I get continued updates yes?
[17:43] <AutoExec> jcotton: noted
[17:43] <m_ad[m]> jcotton LTS -> Long Term Support
[17:43] <jcotton> yes
[17:43] <AutoExec> so what happens if I miss the LTS expire date?
[17:43] <JonelethIrenicus> anyone know of a way to convert odt files to text, but have even tables nicely converted?
[17:43] <m_ad[m]> stability is something else
[17:43] <AutoExec> also which one is recommended
[17:43] <AutoExec> ?
[17:44] <jcotton> JonelethIrenicus: maybe look for an odt to markdown converter
[17:44] <popey_> AutoExec: depends on your use case. Some gamers for example like the very latest because drivers / kernel etc
[17:44] <AutoExec> k
[17:44] <JonelethIrenicus> jcotton: i found one odt2txt, but I think it only works for simple ODT files
[17:44] <JonelethIrenicus> jcotton: even a simple table is too complicated for it
[17:44] <popey_> AutoExec: whereas office users tend towards LTS for stability / not changing app names
[17:44] <AutoExec> popey_: I can upgrade and continue to get updates after 5 years tho right?
[17:44] <JonelethIrenicus> unless i am missing some config options
[17:45] <popey_> AutoExec: you can always upgrade to a supported release
[17:45] <AutoExec> awesome sauce
[17:45] <AutoExec> :)
[17:45] <leonardus> is it normal for /var/log/journal to be 4GiB?
[17:45] <AutoExec> I Love Ubuntu
[17:45] <AutoExec> <3
[17:45] <popey_> me too :D
[17:45] <AutoExec> awww
[17:45] <AutoExec> ubuntu twinsies :)
[17:46] <JonelethIrenicus> ubuntu is pretty nice, I just don't like the logo or name
[17:47] <JonelethIrenicus> but that is stupid
[17:47] <JonelethIrenicus> so who cares
[17:47] <AutoExec> lol
[17:47] <AutoExec> true
[17:47] <AutoExec> ubuntu vs debian?
[17:48] <JonelethIrenicus> also strange names to me
[17:48] <tomreyn> leonardus: yes, but that's the default maximum, and if your disk grows full, it'll be less.
[17:48] <JonelethIrenicus> I mean Arch sounds cool
[17:48] <popey_> I'd take non-support discussion to #ubuntu-discuss
[17:48] <JonelethIrenicus> Red Hat
[17:48] <JonelethIrenicus> sounds cool
[17:48] <AutoExec> popey_: ok
[17:48] <jcotton> isn't this more #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[17:48] <popey_> or that :)
[17:48] <JonelethIrenicus> yeah sorry
[17:59] <DefamedPrawn> hi. touchpad pad on my laptop stops working as soon as I get into the desktop. Dell Latitude 2120, Ubuntu Mate 19.04.
[18:00] <teb007est> erC^^ : When I try to boot the iso in the grub it tells me that there in no memory I have 4 GB of Memory in my system I don't understand that lol...
[18:05] <Chucara> Hi guys, hope you can help me out here. I'm a bit lost on DNS configuration in Ubuntu Server LTS 18.04. I have completely lost my DNS, and I'm unable to resolve anything. My google results all require me to install packages, but since I can't resolve any names.. Well.. I'm stuck
[18:05] <Edgan> Church-: cat /etc/resolv.conf ; ls -al /etc/resolv.conf   It is probably a symlink.
[18:05] <tomreyn> teb007est: make sure you wrote the iso file to the bootable storage properly.
[18:06] <teb007est> I just moved the ISO to /boot/images with PCMANFM in root
[18:06] <Edgan> Chucara: I meant that for you
[18:06] <Chucara> Edgan: I assume that was for me. My resolv.conf is empty
[18:06] <teb007est> is that bad @tomreyn
[18:07] <Chucara> Edgan: Aside from 4 lines of comments, that is
[18:07] <Edgan> Church-: Is it a symlink?
[18:07] <Chucara> Edgan: Yes, it points to ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[18:07] <teb007est> tomreyn : I moved the iso with opening a terminal sudo pcmanfm and another one and just moved it to /boot/images and then sudo update-grub
[18:07] <tomreyn> teb007est: better write it to a bootable usb storage
[18:08] <teb007est> tomreyn : I would if I could but it not possible
[18:08] <teb007est> dont have one
[18:08] <tomreyn> teb007est: why is this?
[18:08] <tomreyn> oh ok. get one then, it's not that expensive.
[18:09] <teb007est> I understand
[18:09] <teb007est> thanks
[18:09] <Edgan> Chucara: If you want to get it working you could do this: mv /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.bak ; vi /etc/resolv.conf   and put this in https://pastebin.com/B6XtCsm0
[18:09] <Edgan> Chucara: That will get you back up and going. But you should figure out why your dhcp server isn't giving you dns, or why dhcp isn't working
[18:10] <Chucara> Edgan: That is strange indeed. Especially since other machine on my network get the right DNS just fine.
[18:12] <Chucara> Edgan: Editing resolv.conf fixed my issue for now. But with 18.04, this will eventually get overwritten, right?
[18:12] <Edgan> Chucara: Maybe, but probably not
[18:13] <Edgan> Chucara: They change the other end of the symlink, but you replace the symlink
[18:13] <Chucara> Edgan: Ahh.. Of course. Well thanks, I can google on from here. Saved me a bunch of time!
[18:24] <deadmund> My ubuntu system froze around 10:40am  Here is my syslog: https://paste.linux.community/view/4e967b1b   why did it feeze?  Can I fix it?  (useful info, I was compiling the AOSP at the time)
[18:31] <tomreyn> deadmund: froze as in "froze temporarily, but recovered itself later", as in "froze, but I could recover it later", as in "froze, but i was still able to reboot using crtl-alt-del from a tty, or using Magic SysRQ", or "froze, and it would not evenm respond to magic sysrq, so i had to power cycle"?
[18:31] <usuario> How do I modify the blacklist.conf??
[18:32] <Ben64> use a text editor
[18:32] <usuario> and how I find the blacklist
[18:32] <usuario> I am so lost
[18:32] <tomreyn> usuario: using a text editor, i would assume, but then it really depends on the type of blacklist configuration file you want to edit and the format it has"
[18:33] <usuario> I dont even know where that file is located
[18:33] <tomreyn> usuario: it would probably help us help you if you started from the beginning.
[18:33] <Ben64> usuario: more details would help
[18:33] <usuario> I want to disable the mic and cam hardware
[18:33] <tomreyn> usuario: what is not working as it should, or what are oyu trying to impove upon, and where did you read about 'blacklist.conf'"?
[18:36] <usuario> I am like how do I check the path
[18:36] <usuario> I know how to do it in linux
[18:37] <tomreyn> usuario: i don't understand what you're saying. ubuntu is a linux distribution.
[18:37] <Church-> Edgan: Well hi again :P
[18:37] <Church-> Wrong person though.
[18:37] <tomreyn> usuario: if you can answer the two questions i asked i think we can make progress.
[18:39] <usuario> But the graphical interface isn't the same
[18:40] <usuario> I am not native-speaker if that is gramatically well-made
[18:40] <usuario> i mean native speaker
[18:41] <tomreyn> !es | usuario
[18:41] <leonardus> How do I check a file against a .sig file?
[18:41] <alexandru_g> good evening
[18:41] <tomreyn> leonardus: dpends on the type of signature it is.
[18:42] <leonardus> tomreyn: trying to verify this https://clearlinux.org/downloads
[18:42] <leonardus> it just says "Signature" and is a link to a .sig file
[18:44] <tomreyn> leonardus: this may be a detached gpg signature, but you'd better check with them
[18:45] <TJ-> leonardus: the instruction for verifying are given quite explicitly at https://clearlinux.org/documentation/clear-linux/guides/maintenance/validate-signatures
[18:45] <Minty> Hi there. I am trying to create 2 Chrome icons on my launcher for 2 different profiles. I have been following an answer on stackoverflow; https://askubuntu.com/questions/493142/can-i-put-two-chrome-different-users-on-my-launcher. I am able to create 2 .desktop files that I can attached to my launcher but there are 2 problems; 1) Both icons are invisible; they have no picture despite me setting it. 2) when I open them; another chromium i
[18:46] <usuario> gracias
[18:46] <Minty> I am running ubuntu 19.04
[18:46] <fg_flat> I am getting really strange behavior, when I use apt and it is downloading it causes my latency to rise dramatically system wide (including apt itself)
[18:47] <tomreyn> fg_flat: how do you measure this latency?
[18:48] <fg_flat> let me clarify, the network latency. just with ping but it's so extreme that it makes firefox and discord work much worse
[18:48]  * QuinnStorm figures she'll just get flamed but pulls out her spanging sign, given she's finding it hard to look for work without a phone (let alone a home), anyone who can help - pelase paypal rtmf@beautifulsunrise.org
[18:48] <fg_flat> 1500-3000ms typically, and if I ctrl+C out of the download it settles down to 10ms in a second or so
[18:49] <TJ-> fg_flat: it's possible your ISP may throttle certain sites or types of HTTP request
[18:50] <tomreyn> QuinnStorm: sorry to hear about your personal situation, but this channel is only about ubuntu support, and what you post is off-topic here.
[18:50] <fg_flat> wouldn't that only throttle those connections though?
[18:51] <TJ-> fg_flat: it depends on how it is applied, but you need to gather evidence as to where the latency is originated before thiniking further on it
[18:51] <fg_flat> well I've tried using other devices on the same wifi network and they work normally
[18:52] <TJ-> fg_flat: are there other devices on the same network? Do they also suffer latency when the PC is downloading with APT? Is there a proxy involved somewhere?
[18:52] <tomreyn> fg_flat: it could also be that there is just a broken router or other network bottleneck getting in the way.
[18:52] <usuario> But i am ok w/ english
[18:52] <fg_flat> no, I just installed ubuntu to try to set up Caffe2 (couldn't get it to build on windows)
[18:52] <QuinnStorm> sorry, I wasn't paying enough attention to which chanenl :/
[18:53] <TJ-> fg_flat: so Wifi, potentially a device or driver issue on the PC itself. Check "iwconfig" for increasing Invalid/Excessive counts whilst downloading
[18:53] <usuario> The file tells me I can't modify it
[18:53] <usuario> It says only read, how do I change that
[18:53] <fg_flat> yes, if I use my tablet on the same wifi while apt is going the tablet will work at normal speed.
[18:54] <tomreyn> !who | usuario
[18:55] <fg_flat> iwconfig lists: "Tx excessive retries:1678  Invalid misc:2838   Missed beacon:0" the connection has been up for like 20 minutes so I don't know if that's abnormally high
[18:55] <usuario> !tomreyn Thanks
[18:55] <TJ-> fg_flat: That is the problem then! Those numbers are HUGE
[18:55] <usuario> Did i do it well
[18:55] <tomreyn> usuario: As a reminder, these are the questions i'd need you to answer before looking any firhter makes any sense: (1) What is not working as it should (or what are you trying to impove upon)?  (2) Where did you read that you need to edit 'blacklist.conf'?
[18:55] <tomreyn> *further
[18:56] <TJ-> fg_flat: so, we'e narrowed it down to device or driver, so let us find out what those are. pastebin the output of "lspci -nnk -d ::280"
[18:56] <TJ-> tomreyn: did you miss where usuario said they want to disable the camera and microphone? So I'd think they want to blacklist the drivers
[18:57] <fg_flat> I think I recall the problem. I have this really horrible old PCImini broadcom wifi card. I think I need to get an older driver. I may have had this song-and-dance before on slackware
[18:57] <TJ-> fg_flat: that sounds very plausible!
[18:58] <usuario> !TJ That's it
[19:00] <fg_flat> ok I think I replaced the firmware, how do I reload it in the kernel module
[19:00] <fg_flat> actually I'll just reboot. Thanks!
[19:02] <usuario> !ubottu r u serious??
[19:02] <usuario> LMAO i am deceased
[19:03] <tomreyn> TJ-: yes i must have missed this
[19:03] <mintu094> 112
[19:03] <mintu094> 1122
[19:04] <tomreyn> thanks TJ, found it now.
[19:04] <usuario> I am grateful for the help
[19:04] <usuario> seriously,
[19:05] <tomreyn> usuario: you do not need to use an exclamation mark when addressing users. just type their nickname.
[19:07] <tomreyn> usuario: so you are trying to disable your computers' microphone and webcam, right? and you read something about "blacklist.conf". There is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf (and other files in this directory) where you can use the "blacklist" instruction to prevent loading of some kernel modules ("drivers"). this can be used to prevent linux from using some of your hardware (such as the webcam and microphone)-
[19:09] <usuario> yes, exactly tomreyn
[19:09] <usuario> tomreyn:
[19:09] <tomreyn> usuario: disabling (just) the microphone may actually not be possible this way, but you can configure it not to record. https://thelinuxcode.com/disable-microphone-webcam-ubuntu/
[19:10] <tomreyn> usuario: on ubuntu 19.04, i suggest installing "pavucontrol" for managing sinks and audio devices.
[19:12] <usuario> tomreyn: Thanks cuz it doesnt work sudo apt install gnome-alsamixer
[19:12] <tomreyn> usuario: "uvcvideo" is a common webcam module, but there are others. you should run   lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999   and    lsmod | nc termbin.com 9999    and post the http addresses these commands return. we can then tell which module you need to blacklist to disable the webcam.
[19:13] <usuario> Ok It just installed
[19:13] <usuario> tomreyn: are you a programmer or sth like that???
[19:14] <tomreyn> usuario: no, i just use linux for a while, as do many others here.
[19:14] <tomreyn> but let's focus on support
[19:17] <m_ad[m]> usuario: if you'd like to chitchat about other stuff then join #ubuntu-offtopic ;)
[19:19] <usuario> tomreyn: How I access like super user
[19:19] <usuario> Sudo to change the file
[19:20] <tomreyn> usuario: type this in a terminal:  gedit admin:///etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[19:20] <jcotton> what does that admin bit do?
[19:23] <usuario> tomreyn: it says warning
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> jcotton: In Ubuntu 18.04 and newer, the usage of gksudo is no longer offered. Gnome applications were updated to understand the admin schema, to trigger the application to request for the sudo password
[19:23] <usuario> Do i care?
[19:23] <tomreyn> jcotton: it opens the file with superuser permissions, gained through gio + policykit
[19:23] <tomreyn> usuario: what is "it", and what does it say exactly?
[19:24] <usuario> tomrey: the shell
[19:24] <tomreyn> thanks for answering one of two questions.
[19:24] <jcotton> oh huh
[19:25] <FloatingPoint> Is anyone able to go fullscreen with Firefox on YouTube without a white stripe at the top of the screen? This can be solved by pressing f a dozen times, but it is still annoying.
[19:26] <gambl0re> hello?
[19:27] <gambl0re> does firefox use hardware video acceleration?
[19:27] <gambl0re> doesnt it consume a lot of cpu when watching youtube?
[19:29] <tomreyn> gambl0re: you've been asking this question in different ways for the past two weeks?
[19:29] <CodeMouse92> gambl0re: This room is mainly for Ubuntu-related stuff. I suspect you'll have better luck asking in #firefox
[19:29] <FloatingPoint> gambl0re: yes, it worked fine until the latest updates, now it is kinda buggy. it works fine except that something is not detecting full screen properply.
[19:29] <bprompt> gambl0re:    video playback in the browser does consume mostly cpu, that's true of not just firefox, but any browser
[19:29] <OerHeks> gambl0re, not by default, and it is buggy https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/8hmnn7/firefox_gpu_acceleration_on_linux/
[19:30] <gambl0re> brompt, yea but i read that ff/chrome doesnt support hardware video acceleration so it comes more cpu than it normally would when using windows
[19:30] <FloatingPoint> gambl0re: sotty , was thinking that you were answering to me
[19:30] <OerHeks> chrome does certainly not.
[19:30] <gambl0re> chromium on the other hand support harware acceleration?
[19:31] <OerHeks> try bing :-P
[19:31] <gambl0re> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/08/how-to-enable-hardware-accelerated.html
[19:31] <bprompt> gambl0re:    haven't checked, but I don't think so, when playing a video in browser the chromium-based browser runs the cpu up
[19:32] <OerHeks> oh, you answered yourself, should work on debian too, gambl0re
[19:32] <usuario> I DID ITTTT
[19:32] <usuario> I AM GOING TO REBOOT
[19:32] <bprompt> usuario:   also don't forget to press on caps-lock key
[19:32] <gambl0re> brompt, google chrome doesnt support but chromium browser does if you do some setup
[19:33] <usuario> Sorry
[19:33] <gambl0re> that article explains how to do it
[19:33] <OerHeks> lolz
[19:33] <OerHeks> so why ask?
[19:34] <bprompt> gambl0re:   I can buy that, not sure I see the difference, but I run Opera59, which is chromium-based, but I never bothered checking, I mean, it uses the cpu a bit, but doesn't bother me as much, runs it like 30%
[19:35] <gambl0re> brompt, does the fan turn on when watching hd youtube?
[19:36] <bprompt> gambl0re:    often, yes, not always but often
[19:36] <OerHeks> sounds like a good fan
[19:38] <stoned> How to edit PDF files in linux? I need to fill in some forms/apps
[19:38] <bprompt> depends on what I run, I often have about 10 or 20 windows open and the cpu fan doesn't kick in, but on cpu-intensive stuff like LaTex writing, or doing drawings in Libreoffice Draw, it kicks right in
[19:39] <bprompt> stoned:    most pdf readers support forms filling, you don't need to redo the pdf for that
[19:41] <bprompt> right now I have 20 windows open, 2 browsers, 6 tabs, no fanning
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> bprompt: the default PDF readers in Ubuntu do not have form filling functionality.
[19:42] <tomreyn> bprompt: i don't think gambl0re was really looking for you to respond to their question, they left five minutes ago.
[19:42] <bprompt> also qPdfview does too
[19:42] <bprompt> pragmaticenigma:    hmmmmm oook, I use Okular and it does :)
[19:45] <pragmaticenigma> bprompt: Ubuntu installs evince by default, Okular is the default for Kubuntu. This is the Ubuntu support channel. You need to make sure your responses match the topic of the room, or ask the OP what flavor of Ubuntu they are running to verify. Short of that, when you suggest that an application does so, mention which application you are using. Far more helpful than, "works for me" responses
[19:51] <rubenroia> TJ-, I just bought a pair of audio set with front headphone jack and solve the problem lol
[19:52] <stoned> what if the PDF is not a fillable form?
[19:52] <stoned> Which ubuntu program can let me edit the pdf? or fill the form
[19:54] <OerHeks> stoned, libreoffice can do that
[19:54] <OerHeks> and after edit, export as > pdf
[19:55] <OerHeks> ( IIRC )
[19:56] <FloatingPoint> Is anyone able to go fullscreen with Firefox on YouTube without a white stripe at the top of the screen? An answer like: "yes, official repo firefox works for me" would be helpful, thanks.
[20:00] <rubenroia> FloatingPoint, yes! using ubuntu 19.04 fresh install yesterday
[20:01] <FloatingPoint> rubenroia: thanks
[20:01] <rubenroia> FloatingPoint, np!
[20:22] <stoned> Ok
[20:22] <stoned> I'll try that.
[20:22] <stoned> That means I have to install libreoffice.
[20:22] <nc4494> Hello, I have am running 18.04 LTS on the desktop. I have created a desktop launcher 'st.desktop' and installed it in ~/.local/share/applications. I can use it to launch my application. However, when I open the app it doesn't open under the st icon in the dock, but a new icon. Anybody know what I'm doing wrong? Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/r7ZBnfN.png
[20:28] <monkeystance> nc4494, what application is it?
[20:29] <nc4494> suckless terminal
[20:29] <monkeystance> oh
[20:29] <monkeystance> you just need to change your default term emu
[20:29] <monkeystance> 1 sec
[20:31] <leftyfb> monkeystance: did you set the Icon parameter in the .desktop file?
[20:31] <leftyfb> er
[20:31] <leftyfb> nc4494: ^
[20:31] <nc4494> yes
[20:31] <monkeystance> leftyfb, how do you change default programs in ubuntu?
[20:31] <nc4494> leftyfb: Icon=utilities-terminal
[20:32] <leftyfb> monkeystance: did you try the "default applications" utility?
[20:32] <monkeystance> nc4494, make sure suckless terminal is set to your default on the thing leftyfb mentioned
[20:32] <nc4494> i think you meant me, leftyb, terminal is not listed under there
[20:32] <nc4494> i think you might be right about the terminal emulator
[20:32] <leftyfb> monkeystance: that will make no difference
[20:32] <nc4494> im going to try changing it to xterm
[20:34] <monkeystance> leftyfb, you sure?
[20:36] <monkeystance> nc4494, how did you install suckless?
[20:37] <nc4494> cloned the repo and then did sudo make cle
[20:37] <nc4494> make clean install
[20:38] <JonelethIrenicus> is there a safer way to use mv or another command that is similar to nautius
[20:39] <leftyfb> JonelethIrenicus: mv -i   #also, man mv
[20:39] <compdoc> if you dont use sudo, you can only delete your own files
[20:40] <JonelethIrenicus> leftyfb: i see thanks
[20:40] <TJ-> !info trash-cli | JonelethIrenicus
[20:40] <JonelethIrenicus> TJ-: oh nice
[20:40] <JonelethIrenicus> that is a nice backup
[20:40] <JonelethIrenicus> just incase
[20:44] <monkeystance> nc4494, I'm not too sure then. I don't even know why it wouldn't be listed
[20:44] <nc4494> thanks
[20:50] <cawk> why is it so hard to record  MIC and whatyouhear at the same time in windows OS?  is this windows limitation? or does ubuntu have same problem?
[20:54] <Spookan> cawk: Maybe that is a better question for ##Windows?
[20:54] <cawk> does ubuntu have same problem?
[20:54] <cawk> is my question
[20:56] <NorthwestVegan> you can record the mic and monitor at the same time in ubuntu
[20:56] <NorthwestVegan> i have done it using ffmpeg when capturing desktop
[20:59] <nc4494> cawk: i am running ubuntu 18.04 on my dell xps laptop. i just recorded audio of myself speaking to the mic in audacity while playing music through spotify. do you want to have the link to it?
[21:00] <cawk> nc4494 yes upload to https://x0.at/
[21:00] <cawk> please
[21:02] <nc4494> i msg'd you cawk
[21:03] <cawk> nc4494 i can't tell if the music i am hearing is from mic
[21:04] <NorthwestVegan> use headphones
[21:04] <JanC> cawk: the way PulseAudio works means that you can record everything that's playing
[21:05] <imi> hi. is there a commandline tool to write something into your dmesg?
[21:06] <JanC> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/35639/how-can-i-write-to-dmesg-from-command-line
[21:07] <cawk> nc4494 thanks for the upload, but i can't tell if the music i am hearing is direct or sound picked up from mic
[21:07] <TJ-> imi:  echo "My Message" | sudo dd of=/dev/kmsg
[21:08] <Pan> free
[21:09] <beaver|weechat> ydod
[21:09] <beaver|weechat> oops sorry
[21:10] <JanC> cawk: https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2009/04/19/recording-from-pulseaudio/
[21:11] <JanC> (it's just an example, you can use the same "monitor sources" from any program really)
[21:12] <imi> ok thx bye
[21:29] <codedmart> selinux with debootstrap?
[21:31] <codedmart> Can I disable selinux with debootstrap?
[21:38] <tomreyn> codedmart: selinux is not enabled on ubuntu by default.
[21:38] <atralheaven> Hi, How can I regenerate the files in /boot/efi? btw I have a separate boot partition because my root partition is encrypted.
[21:39] <Test0r> hihu, where can i download an old version of kubuntu? 14.04 .iso?
[21:40] <codedmart> tomreyn: OK thanks barking up the wrong tree then.
[21:40] <tomreyn> atralheaven: there are usually no files directly in /boot/efi, at least none placed there by Ubuntu, just subdirectories, one of which is the efi system partition mount point.
[21:41] <atralheaven> tomreyn: yes, there were two directories and some files in them. how can I regenerate them?
[21:41] <tomreyn> Test0r: ubuntu 14.04 has reached its end of support life, is not supported here (commercial support for existing installation sis still available from Canonical via !ESM)
[21:42] <tomreyn> atralheaven: the files in /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/ should be placed there when you run   sudo grub-install
[21:43] <Test0r> tomreyn: i know just need the iso for an old vm
[21:44] <tomreyn> Test0r: http://you.should.no.longer.use.these.releases.ubuntu.com/14.04.6/
[21:44] <atralheaven> tomreyn: I can't boot into the os, I think those files or the partition itself is corrupted, that's why I need to generate them again.
[21:45] <Test0r> tomreyn: i know i just need it to extract an old kdewallet file
[21:46] <tomreyn> atralheaven: what happens when you try to boot, and what makes you think these files got corrupted (did you make any changes which could have caused this)?
[21:50] <ccm> Is this community active?
[21:50] <ccm> I guess so
[21:50] <ccm> lol
[21:51] <Bashing-om> ccm: To get a bite, ya got to throw out some bait :P
[21:51] <atralheaven> tomreyn: I get an error that says no boot image found (or something similar) like there is no os installed, and when I used manjaro live image which has an option to detect efi files and boot to them, none of them work, previously I could boot using one of them.
[21:53] <tomreyn> atralheaven: it's unusual that such would happen all of a sudden, but sure, it could be that the FAT32 file system on the ESP requires a file system check. you can do that from a live system.
[21:54] <tomreyn> atralheaven: you could also chroot into the existing ubuntu installation while booted inti a live system.
[21:54] <tomreyn> 'live usb
[21:57] <atralheaven> tomreyn: I was trying to tell the bios which efi file to use, and there was an option for restoring those settings to default or deleting those settings, I guess that's why this has happened.
[21:59] <atralheaven> so to restore the efi files, I need to chroot, and then...?
[21:59] <tomreyn> atralheaven: maybe update-grub, surely grub-install
[22:00] <atralheaven> should I delete the existing files in efi partition?
[22:00] <atralheaven> and then grub-install?
[22:01] <tomreyn> atralheaven: those ubuntuz installed should get overwritten that way. here's a guide (i have not tested it): https://superuser.com/questions/376470/how-to-reinstall-grub2-efi
[22:01] <tomreyn> i'm not sure you actually need to "apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64" but it should nto hurt
[22:02] <atralheaven> I will try that, thank you :)
[22:03] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[22:04] <qfyrtruytu> 766464
[22:24] <qfyrtruytu> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/disco/man8/fsck.f2fs.8.html How to properly check USB FLASH with f2fs file system via fsck.f2fs? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nZxVtf4Rmj/
[22:26] <EriC^^>  qfyrtruytu sudo umount /dev/sdc1 && sudo fsck.f2fs -f /dev/sdc1
[22:31] <qfyrtruytu> always unmount and always run the check through sudo?
[22:32] <EriC^^> qfyrtruytu: fsck can't repair a mounted filesystem
[22:32] <EriC^^> qfyrtruytu: always unmount before doing fsck
[22:37] <qfyrtruytu> I forgot that  to check in Linux need unmount
[22:38] <EriC^^> no big deal
[22:45] <qfyrtruytu> Can gparted check f2fs? The gparted check is not active for f2fs
[22:46] <jcotton> it would look for fsck.f2fs to do that
[22:49] <qfyrtruytu> f2fs-tools installed, gparted installed. Check not active in gparted for f2fs.
[22:49] <qfyrtruytu> for my usb flas
[22:49] <qfyrtruytu> flash
[22:52] <jcotton> is there an fsck.f2fs?
[22:52] <qfyrtruytu> gparted 0.32 say: Unable to read the contents of this file system! In this regard, some operations may not be available. Possible cause: missing application package. The following software is required to support the f2fs file system: f2fs-tools.
[22:52] <jcotton> as a command
[22:53] <qfyrtruytu> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6htXqGGdGj/
[22:54] <JonelethIrenicus> how can i use the tmux-plugin-manager from the repos
[22:54] <JonelethIrenicus> normally it has a folder in .tmux
[22:56] <JonelethIrenicus> no notes for the packages
[22:57] <JonelethIrenicus> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/admin/tmux-plugin-manager
[23:07] <sappheiros> can i thank y'all for making ubuntu? >_>
[23:07] <sappheiros> or is this questions-only?
[23:11] <m_ad[m]> sappheiros:  support channel is support channel ;) and you thanked them now anyway.
[23:11] <sappheiros> 'k thanks bye, hope y'all are in ##ubuntu-offtopic
[23:11] <sappheiros> #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:13] <qwertrtuty> https://ibb.co/vsnwCMP If mount no "!".
[23:13] <qwertrtuty> if unmount have "!"
[23:15] <compdoc> f2fs is an odd filesystem, at least to me
[23:17] <qwertrtuty> interesting: The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used.
[23:18] <ChunkzZ> Google isn't helping, how can I solve this? trying to run chromium through sakura: (chromium-browser:7): Gtk-WARNING **: 23:17:56.167: cannot open display: unix:0.0
[23:19] <qwertrtuty> my USB FLAS GPT
[23:19] <qwertrtuty> f2fs
[23:20] <qwertrtuty>  say gparted: The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used.
[23:20] <qwertrtuty> my hdd and ssd mbr
[23:21] <Unknown7_> hello
[23:21] <uzea> hi
[23:23] <ward__> .
[23:24] <ChunkzZ> Google isn't helping, how can I solve this? trying to run chromium through sakura: (chromium-browser:7): Gtk-WARNING **: 23:17:56.167: cannot open display: unix:0.0
[23:27] <uzea> ChunkzZ, well the only thing I can figure out is, that the program can't find the graphical output
[23:36] <pjs> where should /etc/resolv.conf be linking to? I've always had it go to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf but I started getting weird issues with crontasks being able to resolve things today and reading SO I see people saying it should point to /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf or /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[23:41] <atralheaven> tomreyn: no success... what if I create an image from root partition, then reinstall the os so it can be booted, and then restore the previous root partition? will that work?
[23:44] <Bashing-om> pjs: May be desktop/server related. My desktop: "ls -al /etc/resolv.conf >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 Apr  3  2018 /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf".
[23:45] <mertyildiran> Hi, in my workplace there is a desktop that I'm using as a developer. I don't trust some people in that workplace and so I have encrypted my home folder to secure my web browser session and some private data. But somebody told me that if I have a physical access to machine, I can edit some init files under the root directory and steal your data on runtime.
[23:45] <mertyildiran> Is that possible? If so what's the point of encrypting home directory?
[23:53] <pjs> Bashing-om: hrmm ok thanks. I'm running desktop too
[23:55] <kadiro> hello
[23:55] <qwertrtuty> I deleted in gparted from usb flash the file system,  i create new gpt table, format as f2fs - ok, no message: the backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used. But in gparted when unmount usb flash have "!" and the check the file system not active. And gparted writes: Unable to read the contents of this file system! In this regard, some operations may not be available. Possible cause: missing appli
[23:55] <kadiro> Need help to access or check if the builtin webcam is detected
[23:57] <qwertrtuty> The following software is required to support the f2fs file system: f2fs-tools.
[23:58] <kadiro> Im currentlz on hp elitebook, it is a pc for a friend thinking to use ubuntu as he never used linux