[00:03] <qwertrtuty> if first gpt table ok, but second gpt corrupt maybe not need gpt and use MBR for f2fs?
[00:08] <Bashing-om> qwertrtuty: "required to support the f2fs file system: f2fs-tools." What shows ' dpkg -l f2fs-tools ' .
[00:10] <pjs> It's weird.. it's like dns is failing for imap.gmail.com.. but only via cron
[00:11] <Bashing-om> pjs: Only a thought, but did you give cron the full path ?
[00:11] <pjs> Bashing-om: Yes. It's been fine forever.. This just started today, and it's random too, a few times today it ran successfully.
[00:12] <qwertrtuty> i see this not first time "first gpt table ok, but second gpt corrupt" when use usb flash + gpt + f2fs but i used f2fs small time, very smal time. I use exfat + mbr + exfat fuse.
[00:13] <qwertrtuty> I use exfat + mbr + exfat fuse for usb flash
[00:14] <Bashing-om> pjs: Yup wierd :( corrupted files ?
[00:14] <qwertrtuty> PC
[00:16] <pjs> Bashing-om: maybe.. but if I run the script manually it's fine
[00:18] <pjs> Bashing-om: http://dpaste.com/0SMDVH3
[00:18] <qwertrtuty> this info say about corrupt files? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6htXqGGdGj/ i think no. Or yes? I checked when second gpt corrupt.
[00:19] <pjs> I seem to get that NXDOMAIN thing, though reading the interwebs, says it's not really an error, just a notice.
[00:19] <wholesum> I'm looking the most suitable virtualization platform for the following use case
[00:20] <wholesum> 1) Host is bare metal on Ubuntu (Xeon E-2100 processor, plenty of RAM and NVME disk space: I need to run less than a dozen VMs)
[00:20] <wholesum> 2) Guest VMs also Ubuntu, Xenial and Bionic mix
[00:20] <wholesum> 3) Guests need to have as native as possible access to hardware (to use security keys and HSMs such as YubiHSM2, and also for performance reasons)
[00:20] <wholesum> 4) Guests do not need to be hard constrained on resources, as I will be the single admin on all guests.
[00:20] <wholesum> 5) Desirable but not mandatory: free and not the steepest learning curve.
[00:20] <wholesum> Suggestions?
[00:21] <ryuo> wholesum: All Linux flavors?
[00:21] <wholesum> nope, guests will be only ubuntu xenial or bionic
[00:21] <wholesum> host is bionic
[00:21] <ryuo> wholesum: which are all Linux flavors...
[00:21] <qwertrtuty> fsck.f2fs can see from the check the damaged gpt table or not?
[00:22] <qwertrtuty> second gpt or first
[00:22] <ryuo> wholesum: VMs are probably undesirable then. They permanently reserve RAM for each guest.
[00:22] <ryuo> wholesum: LXC or LXD containers share memory and can dynamically release it back to the host.
[00:23] <wholesum> ryou: all flavors i thought it would mean centos, debian etc
[00:23] <ryuo> wholesum: yes. that's the limitation of these containers. they can't run anything else.
[00:24] <ryuo> wholesum: As for access to hardware, there's limited access via containers. I've used containers to directly use USB printers.
[00:24] <wholesum> ryuo: you mean a bionic LXC/LXD host can only run Bionic guests?
[00:24] <ryuo> wholesum: i'm not sure how much you can do with them but it's at least possible to use USB devices.
[00:24] <ryuo> wholesum: No.
[00:25] <ryuo> wholesum: only can run Linux distributions.
[00:25] <ryuo> They use the host kernel.
[00:25] <wholesum> ah ok. LXC/LXD is what i was leaning towards based on my research. is there a web UI to manage LXC/LXD containers or is it cli only?
[00:25] <ryuo> wholesum: no idea. i've only used the shell.
[00:26] <ryuo> wholesum: you'd probably need the shell to set them up to your liking though.
[00:26] <ryuo> wholesum: are all the hardware devices USB?
[00:26] <wholesum> ryuo: yes
[00:27] <ryuo> ok... probably doable then.
[00:27] <wholesum> ryuo: casting aside all other requirements I have, which virt platform provides the most native access to not so common hardware, like security keys and HSM devices?
[00:27] <ryuo> you just need to expose the device node to the guest.
[00:27] <tds> it'll probably require a bit of fiddling with cgroups as well as bind mounting through the device
[00:27] <ryuo> wholesum: "most native"? raw access (passthrough) is VM only.
[00:28] <ryuo> the host kernel's drivers are used in the LXD version.
[00:28] <ryuo> the container just needs to be able to see the device node.
[00:28] <wholesum> ryou: HW passthrough, yes. which virt platform is best for this?
[00:28] <wholesum> tyuo: or i guess you already answered that
[00:28] <ryuo> there's only one option, VMs for that, but the LXD aproach is probably usable.
[00:28] <ryuo> i've used it just fine without issue.
[00:29] <ryuo> the host kernel talks to the hardware and exposes the userspace interface to the container via an exposed device node.
[00:29] <wholesum> tyou: which VM would you pick if it doesn't end up getting it to work with LXC/LXD?
[00:29] <wholesum> ryou: not tyou
[00:30] <ryuo> wholesum: since it's probably a headless server, libvirt might be the best choice.
[00:30] <ryuo> but that's rather complicated.
[00:31] <wholesum> ryou: VMs are more complicated than LXC/LXD? I've used virsh before wasn't complex... containers are simpler!?
[00:33] <Bashing-om> pjs: I do not have the mail experience to say :( but does "info (No MTA installed, discarding output)" point a finger ?
[00:34] <pjs> Bashing-om: well, I tried redirecting output to a log file in tmp and nothing.
[00:35] <pjs> Actually I'm not sure the NXDOMAIN thing is related because looking at older logs from yesterday, the same thing is logged and it was working
[00:36] <pjs> So it sure seems like something is being output from the script because I don't have that disacarding output entry either
[00:40] <Bashing-om> pjs: Is your mail server on Google " as Google has re-issued keys .
[00:40] <pjs> Bashing-om: ah, I found it.. thx for the help :)
[00:40] <pjs> I forgot, I changed how the keys were fetched and cron doesn't have the PATH for where the script was
[00:41] <pjs> so my script calls offlineimap which calls another program to get credentials.. the full path was needed in that 3rd script call
[00:41] <Bashing-om> pjs: :) .. Glad you found it .
[00:42] <pjs> Bashing-om: Thanks again for the help :)
[00:43] <Bashing-om> pjs: Pleased to be of some small assistance.
[00:45] <wholesum> ryou: thanks for the help. BTW there is at least one decent UI for managing containers: https://github.com/AdaptiveScale/lxdui
[00:46] <jdr> I've never used setgid before. But if i create a group, throw myself in it, create a directory and give it the ole chown....the files below it are still being created as my group
[00:46] <jdr> user:user
[00:46] <jdr> Do I need to setgid on the folder?
[00:47] <jdr> I want the files created in this directory to be under a different group.
[00:52] <ziko> hi
[00:52] <Lazik> Jdr: usually people create a user for the group. Then you can su <that user>, then all the cli ops are for that user and group
[00:57] <jdr> Ahh. I wanted to create a group, assign some users to it, and set the "default" group for a directory.
[00:57] <jdr> Any file created in that directory would be 'whateveruser' : newgroup
[01:02] <Chaekyung> interesting question, jdr - I'm curious how you'd actually do that if it's possible. Files you create will have your user and group, that is what happens to any folder you can write to regardless of who happens to own it. if it's owned by whoever:secretgroup and it's set to 777 and you write files in there they will be created as you.
[01:03] <Chaekyung> I'm sure there is a better solution than to cron.hourly a chown -R on a folder ;)
[01:03] <jdr> Chaekyung: hahah yesssss
[01:12] <jdr> -rw-rw-r--  1 charlie admin    0 May 17 20:11 aasd
[01:12] <jdr> -rw-rw-r--  1 jdr     admin    0 May 17 20:11 adsf
[01:12] <jdr> -rw-rw-r--  1 charlie admin    0 May 17 20:12 newfile
[01:12] <jdr> got it figured :D
[01:16] <Chaekyung> how?
[01:16] <r15> how to change the grub splash screen or verbos boot of google chrome os?
[01:16] <jdr> Created my group admin, added some users to it, then chown :admin /directory
[01:16] <jdr> then chmod g+s /directory
[01:17] <puppetmasterFPU> r15: this is a ubuntu channel. not chrome os.
[01:18] <Chaekyung> >For directories chmod preserves set-user-ID and set-group-ID bits unless you explicitly specify otherwise.  You can set or clear the bits with symbolic modes like u+s and g-s.  To clear these bits for directories with a numeric mode  requires an additional leading zero, or leading = like 00755 , or =755
[01:18]  * Chaekyung learned something just now
[01:21] <jdr> ahhh
[01:22] <SpacePenguin> have a look also at umask
[01:22] <SpacePenguin> man umask
[01:22] <jdr> no manual entry for umask
[01:23] <jdr> But I'll Google it.
[01:32] <CodeMouse92> jdr: 'info umask'
[01:32] <CodeMouse92> And if 'man umask' fails, you are lacking SOMETHING. It's on my sys by default (Ubuntu 19.04)
[01:34] <jdr> 18.04, and no info for umask either
[01:39] <leftyfb> jdr: Ubuntu 18.04 has both a man page and info page for umask. If you don't have it, then you are either not running 18.04 or have done something to remove it
[01:40] <leftyfb> jdr: apt-cache policy manpages-dev
[01:47] <jdr> says its installed
[01:47] <jdr> nah, its not installed.
[01:48] <jdr> I got man umask now :D
[02:03] <leftyfb> jdr: that should have been installed by default. Why was it removed?
[02:03] <jdr> No idea.
[02:04] <jdr> Have anything to do with me running lubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[02:04] <leftyfb> unlikely
[02:04] <jdr> i wouldn't think so either
[02:27] <CodeMouse92> jdr: Anything about your install options? Minimal instead of standard, for example?
[02:28] <CodeMouse92> Or, have you run a program that cleans your system?
[02:28] <CodeMouse92> (Some remove "extra packages")
[02:30] <jdr> Nah, it was a basic install. No program to clean.
[02:54] <dman777> How do I keep my ethernet from bringing up on boot? I have iface enp37s0 inet static manual in /etc/network/interfaces but it still comes up automatically. This is in Xenial
[03:31] <neops> Hello
[03:31] <neops> help please :
[03:31] <neops> E: Le paquet « docker-ce » n'a pas de version susceptible d'être installée
[03:33] <genii> !fr | neops
[03:33] <genii> qc = Quebecois
[03:50] <DoctorMilwaukee> is there anyway to update emoji unicode on ubuntu.... some of my emojis are outdated... some are current.
[03:56] <genii> !info fonts-noto-color-emoji
[03:57] <DoctorMilwaukee> genji, oh ok i have that.... not updated
[03:57] <DoctorMilwaukee> thanks
[03:58] <DoctorMilwaukee> i mean the package isn't updated... in 19.04 is it different?
[03:58] <DoctorMilwaukee> nvm
[04:06] <Guest17679> evening gents..
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> welcome to ubuntu support Guest17679
[04:06] <sam_wong> I am running ubuntu 18.04. Can anyone tell me how to increase the font size on Putty?
[04:08] <scythefwd1> most of those settings are in your home directory.. I'm not on my ubuntu host atm.. gimme a sec to check
[04:09] <Franknog> sam_wong: is this a GUI? there should be a Window > Fonts option
[04:09] <puppetmasterFPU> doesn't putty use xterm?
[04:10] <puppetmasterFPU> is there a reason you use putty specifically? it's quicker and easier just to use ssh in your regular terminal console.
[04:11] <ryuo> sam_wong: shift-right click on the putty windows. there should be a menu option for opening configuration of settings.
[04:11] <ryuo> sam_wong: excuse me, ctrl-right click
[04:13] <sam_wong> ryuo: ctrl-right click, yes, it works
[04:15] <scythefwd1> yeah, what they said
[04:15] <scythefwd1> lol
[04:18] <DoctorMilwaukee> on emojipedia, when I copy an emoji, it is accessible. but when I use unicode, the same emoji is different.
[04:18] <DoctorMilwaukee> https://emojipedia.org/gear/
[04:18] <DoctorMilwaukee> for example ^
[04:18] <jcotton> what do you mean by "use unicode"?
[04:19] <DoctorMilwaukee> U+2699....
[04:20] <DoctorMilwaukee> gives the gear emoji.... but I am also able to copy and paste the current gear emoji to my text editor
[04:20] <jcotton> so copy/paste the emoji works but entering it another way doesn't?
[04:20] <jcotton> are you sure it's not just pasting an image somehow (if it's a rich text editor)
[04:21] <puppetmasterFPU> what editor is being used?
[04:22] <DoctorMilwaukee> puppetmasterFPU: terminal
[04:22] <puppetmasterFPU> terminal is not an editor.
[04:23] <DoctorMilwaukee> true...
[04:23] <jcotton> copy con file.txt
[04:23] <jcotton> :P
[04:23] <DoctorMilwaukee> i am actually using tomboy notes but it works in editor
[04:23] <Jimmi> Hi
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> welcome Jimmi
[04:24] <puppetmasterFPU> tomboy is a note tool. not an editor. just do it properly and use an editor with unicode support.
[04:24] <puppetmasterFPU> ie. vim or emacs.
[04:24] <Jimmi> This is my first time ever using irc, it kinda reminds me of the old chat rooms in the 90s
[04:25] <puppetmasterFPU> Jimmi: still beats social media.
[04:25] <jcotton> well considering the protocol hails from the 80s
[04:25] <jcotton> if not earlier
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> Jimmi: this is the support channel, you can ask ubuntu related questions here
[04:25] <Jimmi> You got that right
[04:26] <Jimmi> Facebook is nothing more than a spy network
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> !chat | Jimmi
[04:28] <Jimmi> Is this a chat room?
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> no
[04:29] <jcotton> it's a support room
[04:29] <Jimmi> oops sorry
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> Jimmi: use #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic please
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu-discuss
[04:49] <wtf_-> Anyone that knows how it's possible for a 1.5TB drive to shrink it self down to below 500 GB ? I don't know how it happend it just did. And what ever i try to do to restore it, it does not work.
[04:49] <jcotton> as in the total size of the disk is reported as 500 gigs?
[04:50] <wtf_-> Disk /dev/sde: 465.8 GiB, 500130372608 bytes, 976817134 sectors <- yepp
[04:54] <puppetmasterFPU> wtf_-: what does "sudo parted -l" produce?
[04:57] <wtf_-> puppetmasterFPU https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Yv4btm7hsr/
[04:59] <puppetmasterFPU> wtf_-: i feel stupid asking you this, but are you sure you're looking at the right drive?
[04:59] <wtf_-> yes
[04:59] <puppetmasterFPU> if so, it doesn't really make any sense. even if you had 500gb partition, parted would still display entire disk capacity. but it's not.
[05:00] <wtf_-> Well,. i don't have any drives below 1.5 TB other then the system disk that's 72.
[05:00] <wtf_-> So please do explain this :)
[05:01] <wtf_-> I did however, get a version mismatch on that disk the other day, and when i removed the partition this happend.
[05:01] <puppetmasterFPU> wtf_-: yeah, i wish i had an answer for you. but i'm afraid it's beyond my explanation.
[05:01] <puppetmasterFPU> i am not doubting you, but i can't see it actually reporting only 500gb if it was actually 1.5tb.
[05:03] <wtf_-> puppetmasterFPU Here are all the disks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P59s2Q6tGb/
[05:05] <Franknog> wtf_-: which one, /dev/sde?
[05:06] <qwebirc70157> hello, is anyone available for a quick help for a boot issue?
[05:06] <qwebirc70157> that would be very appreciated
[05:06] <qwebirc70157> :)
[05:06] <Franknog> qwebirc70157: what's the problem?
[05:07] <wtf_-> yes Franknog
[05:07] <qwebirc70157> so i'm running pop_os (i know it's not ubuntu, but the issue is not related to the distro and google is of no help...) system doesn't boot at all
[05:07] <qwebirc70157> it's stuck on asus screen
[05:07] <qwebirc70157> i'm trying to make sens of systemd boot options
[05:08] <puppetmasterFPU> qwebirc70157: this is a ubuntu support channel.
[05:08] <qwebirc70157> i know...
[05:08] <qwebirc70157> but it's a more general systemd boot issue
[05:08] <qwebirc70157> not really distro relative..
[05:08] <puppetmasterFPU> qwebirc70157: is your problem ubuntu related?
[05:09] <qwebirc70157> well, pop is based on ubuntu. And my issue is with systemD boot loading so i guess we could say so??
[05:09] <coz_> qwebirc70157, there is a #popos channel bur only one person there
[05:09] <Franknog> wtf_-: have you tried resize2fs?
[05:09] <qwebirc70157> which is why i'm here...
[05:09] <qwebirc70157> i was in pop channel first. But to no avail.
[05:09] <puppetmasterFPU> qwebirc70157: please stick to ubuntu related problems.
[05:10] <qwebirc70157> could you direct me to a more boot / systemD issue related channel then please? If i can't get help here.
[05:11] <qwebirc70157> it really have nothing to do with pop...
[05:11] <coz_> qwebirc70157, try #systemd  channel
[05:11] <Franknog> qwebirc70157: can you get to grub?
[05:11] <qwebirc70157> yeah but kernel won't load
[05:11] <Franknog> qwebirc70157: alternate boot
[05:11] <qwebirc70157> i guess my uuid are mixed or something. But my knowledge is not that deep
[05:11] <coz_> uefi?
[05:12] <qwebirc70157> yes
[05:12] <coz_> qwebirc70157, not sure if popos boots uefi,
[05:12] <qwebirc70157> it does. Always did before.
[05:13] <wtf_-> Franknog got this now resize2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sde
[05:13] <coz_> ah ok
[05:13] <puppetmasterFPU> qwebirc70157: please seek help in an approproate channel. this is not a ubuntu related problem.
[05:13] <qwebirc70157> alright
[05:13] <coz_> qwebirc70157,  try the #linux channel
[05:13] <qwebirc70157> thanks
[05:14] <coz_> although linux is linux "?
[05:14] <Franknog> wtf_-: try xfs_growfs
[05:14] <Franknog> wtf_-: back up your data first
[05:15] <wtf_-> i don't need the data. :)
[05:15] <wtf_-> can be dl'd once more.
[05:15] <qwebirc70157> i can't join #linux, i need to be invited...
[05:16] <mouses> qwebirc70157: because you probably want ##linux
[05:16] <qwebirc70157> thanks
[05:16] <mouses> welcome
[05:20] <Fixion_> is there a WSL channel?
[05:20] <puppetmasterFPU> Fixion_: what is wsl?
[05:20] <Fixion_> Windows Subsystem for Linux
[05:21] <Franknog> Fixion_: shouldn't it be Linux Subsystem on Windows?
[05:21] <Fixion_> (ie originally bash on ubuntu on windows - bad name)
[05:21] <puppetmasterFPU> oh, that would be some ms channel. nothing to do with ubuntu.
[05:21] <Bashing-om> !wsl | Fixion_
[05:21] <Fixion_> actually it is something to do with ubuntu because ubuntu is running inside it kinda like a kernel emulator I guess... but it replaces the deprectated SFU/SUA (Subsystem for Unix-Like Applications)
[05:22] <Fixion_> ahh there is a channel for it :) thx
[05:22] <puppetmasterFPU> the title is pretty explanatory of the function, really.
[05:22] <Bashing-om> Fixion_: :)
[05:23] <Franknog> puppetmasterFPU: the name sounds like Windows is running as a subsystem on Linux
[05:23] <puppetmasterFPU> Franknog: perhaps you're reading it wrong.
[05:23] <Fixion_> yeahc come to think of it saying for linux makes it sound more like what wine is
[05:23] <Franknog> puppetmasterFPU: was that the ghost of Jobs?
[05:24] <Franknog> Fixion_: what's the difference between WSL and Cygwin?
[05:25] <Fixion_> one is by microsoft themselves
[05:25] <Fixion_> the other isn't
[05:25] <puppetmasterFPU> please stick to ubuntu related problems.
[05:25] <Fixion_> and CyGwin I think is a RPM-based distro or at least used to be
[05:26] <Franknog> puppetmasterFPU: good idea :)
[06:08] <teb007est> Hello My Name is Travis & am very confused with Ubuntu 19.04 they say users can't upgrade if they have a i386 but I donwnloaded the i386 net installer just installed it ran gnome-shell Ubuntu desktop gnome & it's installing all the i386 files am so confused
[06:09] <teb007est> Why is it letting me installed it 😵
[06:14] <johnjay> what is the /cow filesystem?
[06:15] <johnjay> i tried doing grub-install /dev/sda from a ubuntu live cd and it said it couldn't unmount it
[06:28] <guiverc> johnjay, COW is copy-on-write; a fs intended for 'live' use, a changed file is a 'copy' stored in ram
[06:29] <guiverc> johnjay, this may be useful (grub-install from live); see 'from LiveCD terminal' https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing  (did you do all mount steps there?)
[06:35] <m_ad[m]> teb007est: installing from a net installer is something else than upgrading from within a running system.....
[07:03] <johnjay> guiverc: oh ok thanks
[07:05] <johnjay> i didn't think grub-install needed it to be mounted
[07:33] <RandomLinuxPerso> hey
[07:33] <RandomLinuxPerso> anybody?
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> !ask | RandomLinuxPerso
[07:34] <RandomLinuxPerso> So, my laptop's hard disk is failing. I booted Ubuntu off a live usb, and mounted the external drive.. the only problem.. I don't know the names of the partitions on the internal drive so that I can tell ddrescue to save them
[07:34] <RandomLinuxPerso> and I don't know how to point ddrescue to the external drive anyhow
[07:35] <mouses> RandomLinuxPerso: never used that tool, but perhaps - https://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/manual/ddrescue_manual.html
[07:35] <mouses> might have the clues you need?
[07:36] <RandomLinuxPerso> https://pastebin.com/CXHjcXCd
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> RandomLinuxPerso: data recovery is what you want?
[07:36] <RandomLinuxPerso> yuup
[07:36] <RandomLinuxPerso> https://pastebin.com/CXHjcXCd
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> RandomLinuxPerso: i always recover data with photorec
[07:37] <RandomLinuxPerso> nah I want to image it with ddrescue
[07:37] <RandomLinuxPerso> to recover a full partition
[07:37] <RandomLinuxPerso> only I can't identify which partition is which
[07:38] <Buzzard> grub has some commands that should tell you some details about what partitions are there
[07:39] <RandomLinuxPerso> such as?
[07:39] <Buzzard> geometry should help
[07:39] <RandomLinuxPerso> ??
[07:39] <RandomLinuxPerso> yeah if you cant tell im a newb
[07:39] <Buzzard> that grub command, i have used it before
[07:39] <Buzzard> geometry
[07:40] <Buzzard> plus i think i misspelled that command name
[07:40] <Buzzard> there is also a grub command that lists the commands
[07:41] <EriC^^> RandomLinuxPerso: how big is the partition
[07:41] <RandomLinuxPerso> EriC^^ I have 3, c,d,e about 1TB total
[07:42] <RandomLinuxPerso> my external drive is about that, around 18GB bigger
[07:42] <Buzzard> drive letters in linux?
[07:42] <RandomLinuxPerso> its a windows drive i wanna recover
[07:42] <EriC^^> RandomLinuxPerso: it looks like this is the external drive /media/ubuntu/Segate Expansion
[07:42] <Buzzard> you wont see drive letters in linux
[07:43] <EriC^^> RandomLinuxPerso: try browsing to that location and see if that's where you want to save the stuff
[07:43] <RandomLinuxPerso> EriC^^ I mounted it..
[07:43] <RandomLinuxPerso> I wanted to select the partitions with ddrescue to back them up onto the external drive.. only no idea which partition is which whatsoever
[07:43] <RandomLinuxPerso> https://pastebin.com/CXHjcXCd
[07:44] <EriC^^> RandomLinuxPerso: type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999'
[07:44] <RandomLinuxPerso> sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:45] <RandomLinuxPerso> Warning: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes.https://termbin.com/faqc
[07:45] <Buzzard> i tool i like to use to look at partitions is gparted live usb
[07:45] <RandomLinuxPerso> ??
[07:45] <RandomLinuxPerso> termbin doesnt work
[07:45] <EriC^^> RandomLinuxPerso: i'd say start with sdb3
[07:45] <EriC^^> sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt
[07:46] <EriC^^> then browse to /mnt and see if that's a partition you'd like to recover
[07:46] <RandomLinuxPerso> how do i browse to it exactly
[07:46] <EriC^^> RandomLinuxPerso: use a file manager
[07:47] <EriC^^> or type in a terminal 'xdg-open /mnt' that's a general way since i dont know your file manager name
[07:47] <RandomLinuxPerso> done
[07:47] <RandomLinuxPerso> mounted external drive with file manager
[07:47] <RandomLinuxPerso> now what
[07:47] <EriC^^> is /mnt a partition you want?
[07:47] <RandomLinuxPerso> which one?
[07:48] <EriC^^> did you type 'xdg-open /mnt'
[07:48] <RandomLinuxPerso> yup
[07:48] <RandomLinuxPerso> Yeah my files
[07:48] <EriC^^> ok so you want that partition?
[07:48] <RandomLinuxPerso> Yup that is my windows C: drive, I do in fact want it
[07:49] <RandomLinuxPerso> and I also want the other two (D: and E:)
[07:50] <EriC^^> ok, great, type your ddrescue command, and for if put if=/dev/sdb3 and for "of=/media/ubuntu/Seagate\ Expansion"
[07:50] <EriC^^> \ escapes the space in case you're wondering
[07:50] <RandomLinuxPerso> something like
[07:51] <RandomLinuxPerso> sudo ddrescue -P -S /dev/sdb3 sdb3.bin sdb3.map
[07:51] <RandomLinuxPerso> ?
[07:52] <EriC^^> that looks ok
[07:52] <EriC^^> wait no
[07:52] <RandomLinuxPerso> okay
[07:53] <EriC^^> RandomLinuxPerso: do it as such, sudo ddrescue .... /dev/sdb3 /media/ubuntu/Seagate\ Expansion/sdb3.bin /media/ubuntu/Seagate\ Expansion/sdb3.map
[07:53] <RandomLinuxPerso> alright
[07:53] <RandomLinuxPerso> ddrescue too many files error
[07:54] <EriC^^> wait
[07:54] <EriC^^> stop
[07:54] <RandomLinuxPerso> okay
[07:54] <EriC^^> i just noticed seagate is misspelt actually
[07:54] <EriC^^> use /media/ubuntu/Segate\ Expansion
[07:56] <RandomLinuxPerso> sudo ddrescue .... /dev/sdb3 /media/ubuntu/Segate\ Expansion /sdb3.bin /media/ubuntu/Segate\ Expansion/sdb3.map
[07:56] <RandomLinuxPerso> doesnt work either
[07:56] <RandomLinuxPerso> too many files error
[07:58] <RandomLinuxPerso> EriC^^
[08:05] <RandomLinuxPerso> doing it thru a gui now
[08:06] <RandomLinuxPerso> sdb3 is indeed the c: drive but the rest i dunno
[08:07] <monkeystance> RandomLinuxPerso, I think you accidentally put a space in that
[08:07] <monkeystance> between Segate\ Expansion and /sdb3.bin
[08:07] <monkeystance> idk tho
[08:07] <RandomLinuxPerso> monkeystance it works now through the ddrescue-gui..
[08:08] <monkeystance> oh ok
[08:09] <RandomLinuxPerso> okay
[08:10] <RandomLinuxPerso> I dunno my other 2 partitions tho
[08:10] <RandomLinuxPerso> which is weird
[08:10] <RandomLinuxPerso> ohh
[08:11] <RandomLinuxPerso> one of them is for sure sdb5
[08:11] <RandomLinuxPerso> and sdb6
[08:11] <RandomLinuxPerso> seems stuck on 15%?!
[08:12] <RandomLinuxPerso> nah it works now
[08:53] <mia> How can I properly rewmove a package
[08:54] <mia> I'm using jack audio router (jackd2) and when I want to "sudo apt-get remove jackd2" it wants to uninstall pretty much every audio tool on device
[08:54] <mia> that, I don't want
[08:55] <mia> How should I properly remove packages?
[08:56] <tomreyn> what you tried is correct if the goal is to remove package "jackd2"
[08:57] <tomreyn> if it wants to remove other packages which *depend* on it, then that's a result of the dependency, and just logical, and there's nothing you can do about it.
[08:58] <tomreyn> if it just means that other packages are no longer required and may be automatically removed, you can prevent this by marking them as manually installed (apt-mark manual)
[09:06] <mia> tomreyn, but for instance, I have bitwigstudio installed
[09:06] <mia> I installed it way before than jackd2
[09:06] <mia> then installed jackd2
[09:06] <mia> now when I want to remove jackd2, it wants to remove bitwig as well
[09:06] <mia> bitwig does not depend on jackd2
[09:06] <mia> for instance jackd2 also wants to remove wine as well
[09:06] <mia> and many other system packages
[09:06] <mia> it seems like everything depends on it, but it does not
[09:10] <thsnr> mia: copy the output of your command to a pastebin and link it here, let's see if that clears things up
[09:10] <thsnr> you can also pastebin the output of "apt-get --simulate autoremove" for good measure
[09:14] <mia> thsr doing it now
[09:16] <runesilk> can you build a gatsby site in Ubuntu?
[09:17] <runesilk> I am building the development environment but cannot seem to find the folder
[09:17] <mia> thsnr, tomreyn here is the pastebin output for my apt-get remove https://pastebin.com/gzk2xn8v
[09:17] <mia> so, jackd2 is installed AFTER everything you see there
[09:17] <mia> I made this mistake to say YES to this before once, and it even uninstalled cuda
[09:18] <mia> so now I don't understand why removing this wants to remove all these packages
[09:18] <mia> makes no sense at all
[09:19] <thsnr> paste "apt-get --simulate autoremove" as well
[09:20] <Seveas> mia: is pulseaudio still installed? Most audio packages depend on having an audio daemon installed and are happy with either pulse or jack. But if you've uninstalled pulseaudio, and are now uninstalling jack, this could cause what you're seeing
[09:22] <tomreyn> outputs of     sudo apt update    and    sudo apt -f install    and    apt-cache policy    may also help.
[09:23] <mia> Seveas, pulseaudio is installed, yes
[09:23] <mia> but it's not active as I'm using jack
[09:23] <mia> I mean it's only active as a bridge not directly
[09:23] <mia> everything goes through jack
[09:23] <mia> But having jack as the main audio driver is a system setting
[09:24] <mia> I don't understan why that's causing a package dependency to, EVERYTHING
[09:25] <ppf> so, i'm still trying to fix my mic in chrome. anyone have any experience with that?
[09:26] <ppf> chrome doesn't detect any mic. it looks like it's not even talking to pulse
[09:26] <ppf> but i have no idea to get any proper debug info out of this?
[09:26] <conjo> greetings all-can anyone tell me the best way to install openvpn please,am running 18.04.2, was planning on using "sudo apt-get install openvpn"
[09:27] <mia> ppf, I was dealing with a lot of audio issues recently, maybe there is a routing problem in your system?
[09:27] <ppf> mia: entirely possible, how would i verify that?
[09:27] <mia> anyway I'm not an expert but just install pulse audio volume control and see if your mic is the primary input device used by chrome
[09:27] <Seveas> mia: yeah, that's puzzling. The list of packages isn't too large though, you could remove jackd, reinstall the ubuntu-desktop package and then reinstall any missing packages from that list that are not jack related
[09:28] <mia> Seveas, in the first uninstallation it uninstalled gnome as well :(
[09:28] <Seveas> eww.
[09:28] <mia> so I had to reinstall the whole ubuntu from scratch as I don2t know what else was removed
[09:28] <ppf> mia: chrome doesn't use any mic
[09:28] <ppf> that's my point
[09:29] <mia> now I'm setting up this audio production system (well, trying to set it up)
[09:29] <mia> Oh, ppf, on a micropğhone test website maybe you can click this settings thingy near address bar and see if there are any options listed?
[09:29] <Seveas> mia: for future reference, that's all logged in /var/log and the installing the ubuntu-desktop package should help as well
[09:29] <ppf> mia: chrome doesn't see a microphone
[09:29] <mia> pulse audio volume control is tricky it does not display things until they are being used or an input is being requested
[09:30] <mia> does your system see a microphone
[09:30] <ppf> mia: chrome://settings/content/microphone
[09:30] <mia> Seveas, Oh I see
[09:30] <mia> I'm new to all this though, I'd still be lost I believe
[09:30] <ppf> mia: that page shows you a drop down with mics, right? it doesn't for me
[09:30] <mia> no it does not show mics
[09:30] <mia> for me it's just a toggle, and allowed/blocked websites
[09:31] <ppf> do you have a mic?
[09:31] <mia> yes
[09:31] <ppf> does it work in chrome?
[09:31] <mia> yes, check this https://www.onlinemictest.com/
[09:31] <mia> it should ask you to "use your microphone"
[09:31] <mia> then you canallow it and check pulse audio volume control
[09:31] <ppf> i'm trying to tell you it's not a permission issue :p
[09:31] <mia> (to see if correct input device is routed to chrome )
[09:32] <mia> I understand, but, I don't have any hardware listed under the settings page you mention
[09:32] <ppf> care to screenshot the page for me?
[09:32] <mia> Sure, hold on
[09:33] <mia> https://pasteboard.co/IffrN1d.png ppf
[09:33] <ppf> mia: click on 'default' ;)
[09:34] <mia> it's just default
[09:34] <mia> nothing else
[09:34] <ppf> that's the device selector. the whole thing doesn't show up for me
[09:34] <mia> Hm I see
[09:34] <mia> for me default doesn't list anything else
[09:34] <mia>  just default
[09:34] <ppf> that's fair enough, means you have only one :)
[09:34] <mia> Actually this is a studio setup so I have like 10 inputs on this device
[09:35] <mia> so I'm also not sure how I'd change that "default" now
[09:35] <mia> :P
[09:35] <mia> ---- but, does your mic work for anything else on your system ?
[09:35] <ppf> yup
[09:36] <mia> I'm sorry I wish I could help ppf
[09:36] <mia> I'm dealing with multiple audio related issues in the recent days as well
[09:36] <mia> so I understand your pain, sort of
[09:36] <mia> but all I had, I already suggested
[09:38] <ppf> so .. looks like i fixed it
[09:44] <alkisg> Hi, can anyone imagine why the netconsole module works properly early in the boot process, yet it stops broadcasting when systemd services start, around "systemd-journald[319]: Received request to flush runtime journal from PID " ?
[09:44] <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Netconsole
[09:47] <alkisg> This only happens in ubuntu, while e.g. it works in debian; could it be related to apparmor?
[10:21] <cer> pray to Jesus !                                   ATTENTION !  __ psychiatry ------------------------> is NOT a science, NEVER was a science, it is NOT a science at all and offers NOOOOOOOOOOOO cures at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _________________ I live in israel and...this criminal state USED psychiatry to incarcerate me(2 times )+injected me with their very dangerous chemicals weapons !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _________now...the criminal state of Israel fo
[10:21] <cer> llow me by their secret thechnologies+want "fuck" me in psychiatry ! _______________ Jesus will judge them all !  ______________ pray to Jesus !
[10:24] <Spookan> cer: No thanks.
[10:27] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:41] <detly> so last night I was asking about wired-LAN-suitable encrypted-on-wire protocol for accessing a disk on one machine from another. someone (I can't remember who) suggested sshfs. I have it working, but I'm having an issue where the files created on the remote machine are not group-writable and I can't figure out how to fix it.
[10:41] <detly> the remote machine has ACLs set up to fix this, but sshfs seems to ignore them. I tried a umask of 113 in the options for sshfs, but it doesn't have any effect (possible bug in fuse I think I read somewhere)
[10:55] <idotzror> hello
[10:55] <EriC^^> hi
[10:55] <idotzror> can you help me with somethimg eric?
[10:56] <ChunkzZ> how do I set the minimum/maximum cpu speed on ubuntu 18? with cpufrequtils?
[10:56] <EriC^^> idotzror: depends, what is the problem?
[10:56] <ChunkzZ> Google isn't helping! :/ -.-
[10:57] <idotzror> i need an video editing sofware
[10:57] <moner_> you can use Da vinci resolve
[10:58] <idotzror> Da vinci resolve?
[10:59] <moner_> Is anyone here who would be interested to work on new distro focused on VFX/CG animation in a professional way?
 yes, it is good for video editing and color grading.
 thanks
 or use google to search for any free video editing software.
[11:02] <idotzror> thanks for the advise
[11:03] <moner_> Is anyone here who would be interested in to work on new linux distro (based on ubuntu) focused on VFX/CG animation in a professional way?
[11:03] <idotzror> give me ill try it on a vm
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> offtopic moner_
 :)
[11:05] <BluesKaj> also unsupported
 i want to try your distro on a vm does it supports it?
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> idotzror: not here please
[11:06] <idotzror> k
[11:06] <ChunkzZ> how do I set the minimum/maximum cpu speed on ubuntu 18? with cpufrequtils?
[11:07] <ChunkzZ> I've already set the governor to "performance" but want to make sure the cpu speed is right.
 unsupported?
[11:09] <ChunkzZ> lol
[11:09] <BluesKaj> moner_, not in the repos
[11:10] <ChunkzZ> so back to my question....
[11:11] <mia> how can I monitor usb plugin event in ubuntu
[11:11] <mia> the most basic way to see if the plugged in device is seen
[11:11] <idotzror> ChunkzZ, did you tried to search on google?
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> mia: tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugin usb
[11:11] <ChunkzZ> idotzror, obviously......................
[11:11] <idotzror> oh
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> idotzror: please dont suggest google as help
[11:11] <idotzror> lol
[11:12] <EriC^^> mia: a very basic way would be "udevadm monitor"
[11:12] <mia> hm should it show anything
[11:12] <mia> I don't see any activity there when I plug/unplug usb devices
[11:13] <BluesKaj> mia, or check the file manager panel
[11:16] <BluesKaj> !pm | moner_
[11:16] <idotzror> ChunkzZ, i found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1141605/gui-or-simple-bash-script-to-throttle-the-cpu/1142671#1142671
 could you explain it a bit more what you mean?
[11:18] <mia> EriC^^, what do you mean by file manager panel
[11:18] <BluesKaj> !repositories
[11:18] <BluesKaj> moner_,^
[11:18] <mia> WEll I just uninstalled and reinstalled pulseaudio, and it seems that now my audio card (usb) is not recognized on one usb port on my machine but it gets recognized in the other one
[11:18] <mia> but the usb ports are working just fine
[11:19] <mia> it was being recognized in all of them before
[11:19] <mia> So what's the possible reason of this?
 I have installed blender, houdini, nuke, da vinci resolve and DJV player. all works fine. so what is not supported?
[11:20] <BluesKaj> moner_, if it's not listed in the package manager then it's unsupported
[11:21] <dartmanx> is there a way short of reinstall to completely blow away everything to do with xwindows and video drivers, and reinstall? I've got the "blank screen on nvidia driver install" error and none of the troubleshooting steps I've found are working.
[11:21] <idotzror> why when you want to download de vincu resolve its ask soo much details?
[11:21] <idotzror> lol
 yes
[11:24] <idotzror> moner_: what do you mean by yes lol?
 yes, that it's asking for some details, but that's normal.
 or you can try to edit video in blender.
[11:26] <moner_> or any other free software.
[11:26] <idotzror> no but it seems odd why so much details for just downloading an editing sofware?
[11:27] <trurl> hi. i 'debootstrapped' a very minimal 18.04 and now i'm missing the "n packages can be updated" and "system restart required" messages in the motd. can someone tell me which package i need to add? thanks.
[11:27] <tomreyn> idotzror: that's not a matter to be discussed on this channel, which is only about ubuntu support.
[11:31] <tomreyn> the former may be update-manager-core - not sure.
[11:42] <turtletroop> join #linux
[11:42] <thsnr> trurl: update-notifier-common seems to be the one, it installs /etc/update-motd.d/90-updates-available and /etc/update-motd.d/98-reboot-required, and depends on update-manager-core
[11:45] <tomreyn> ah yes that's the right one thsnr
[11:58] <mehjari> hello, is there a way to install the pacakge that is not found by apt install but web search does? in my case it is clang 8.0 package: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=clang-8
[11:59] <TJ-> !info clang-8 | mehjari
[11:59] <mehjari> after running "apt update", i did "apt install clang-8" which gave me this error "E: Unable to locate package clang-8"
[12:00] <TJ-> hmmm, that is wrong, since I see from "apt list clang*" => "clang-8/bionic-proposed 1:8-3~ubuntu18.04.1 amd64"
[12:00] <TJ-> mehjari: looks like it's only in bionic-proposed currently
[12:01] <TJ-> mehjari: are you using 18.04 Bionic ?
[12:01] <leftyfb> mehjari: If you're running Ubuntu 18.04, then run: sudo add-apt-repository proposed ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt install clang-8
[12:01] <mehjari> TJ-, thanks. does it mean we can install it by enabling bionic-proposed repository?
[12:02] <mehjari> yes "Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS" :)
[12:02] <tomreyn> mehjari: the search on packages.ubuntu.com, unless you choose to limit it to your ubuntu version / codename (e.g. "bionic" / "18.04 LTS") will report findings from all ubuntu versions (which may not be compatible to yours). apt, on your system, only reports packages whch match your ubuntu release.
[12:02] <tomreyn> ...or rather apt will only report packages which are available in apt sources configured oin your system.
[12:03] <mehjari> tomreyn, can we force install a package for testing stuff?
[12:04] <tomreyn> mehjari: i won't support this.
[12:05] <tomreyn> it'll cause more problems than you're hoping to solve
[12:06] <tomreyn> mehjari: using the package from -proposed is an option in a test environment.
[12:07] <mehjari> it is a test environment. is there a command line switch to enable -proposed repo?
[12:08] <mehjari> in alpine, we have -X switch in apk
[12:08] <mehjari> is there a thing like that in apt? (ubuntu n00b here)
[12:09] <TJ-> mehjari: Yes, enabling bionic-proposed will do it. I expect that the package will migrate to bionic-updates once its been confirmed not to introduce problems
[12:09] <jeremy31> mehjari: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[12:10] <TJ-> mehjari: If I recall correctly, "sudo apt-add-repository bionic-proposed"
[12:11] <mehjari> that did the trick. clang-8 is installing. thanks guys! :)
[12:12] <leftyfb> mehjari: I showed you exactly how to do it above
[12:14] <ChunkzZ> CPU max MHz:         1296.0000
[12:14] <ChunkzZ> CPU min MHz:         408.0000 how can I change this minimum value?
[12:15] <tomreyn> ChunkzZ: ask in ##hardware
[12:15] <mehjari> leftyfb: sorry i missed your message "sudo add-apt-repository proposed ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt install clang-8". thanks. will keep it handy :)
[12:15] <ChunkzZ> tomreyn, why? this is ubuntu related. lol
[12:16] <tomreyn> ChunkzZ: not really, no. that's a firmware / hardware question. you don't change the properties of a CPU in the OS.
[12:16] <ChunkzZ> lolwhat?
[12:17] <leftyfb> ChunkzZ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OverclockingCpu   # first result on google for "ubuntu overclocking"
[12:18] <ChunkzZ> leftyfb, ? I'm not overclocking....................................
[12:18] <mia> I realized some usb3 ports on my machine aren't recognizing any devices
[12:18] <leftyfb> ChunkzZ: what is it you're trying to accompplish?
[12:18] <mia> but they were, like, yesterday
[12:18] <leftyfb> accomplish*
[12:18] <mia> What's the possible reason for this?
[12:19] <leftyfb> mia: boot a live cd/usb and see if you have the same issue
[12:19] <ChunkzZ> leftyfb, trying to set the minimum my cpu speed can run at so it's the same as max. NOT overclocking.......
[12:19] <tomreyn> !enter | mia
[12:19] <mia> tomreyn, okay, sorry --- leftyfb they're working there
[12:20] <leftyfb> ChunkzZ: Don't you think you could accomplish the same goal by following the instructions for overclocking and just adjusting your values for min?
[12:21] <leftyfb> mia: you already tested using a live cd/usb and the ports work fine? I find that hard to believe. How many ports do you have exactly?
[12:22] <ChunkzZ> leftyfb, that doesn't help at all. sigh.
[12:23] <leftyfb> ChunkzZ: what you're trying to do is also a very bad idea. You're going against the design of the hardware constantly running the CPU(s) at full throttle.
[12:27] <tbrown> Does ubuntu when I send report do they fix the issue on there next release or will they ever get my report???
[12:31] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: see /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy1/scaling_min_freq
[12:32] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: there should be a  policy*/ node for each CPU core
[12:35] <thsnr> ChunkzZ: you want to run your cpu permanently at max speed? you can use the performance governor for that instead of messing with the min
[12:51] <Codex2> ChunkzZ: Don't forget to check cpu temps, though
[12:53] <trurl> thsnr: thanks, that worked
[12:56] <user> Hey, somehow, even with ntp turned on, my time on xubuntu is off by 2 hrs (which is probably utc local time difference)
[12:56] <user> anybody any idea?
[12:56] <ryuo> user: check your timezone. it's also possible NTP is wrong.
[12:57] <user> ryuo, well its on the right tz (berlin)
[12:57] <ryuo> user: well, that's all i can think of.
[12:57] <user> ryuo, if I remember correctly, it was only wrong after installing ntp package (because of the automatically syncing with internet servers)
[12:58] <user> thanks :)
[13:08] <thsnr> user: ntp will not correct your time if it is too far off (i think 2 hours exceeds that threshold, but i am not sure). does systemctl status ntp say that the service is active (running)?
[13:09] <user> thsnr, yup, its active since an hour
[13:10] <tomreyn> what does timedatectl report?
[13:10] <user> tomreyn, correct tz, local time and correct universal time
[13:11] <user> hm interesting, it says, system is synced, but ntp is not running
[13:11] <TJ-> Here's a conumdrum - grub-probe complaining about a wrong device.map entry but then choosing the same for itself!  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sbQVBmY5TV/
[13:11] <user> but ntp *is* running
[13:13] <tomreyn> user: maybe systemd-timesync and ntp(d) aren't ready to coexist on your system, yet, but i don't know whether or how you'd need to configure this.
[13:13] <tomreyn> commonly, if systemd-timesyncd is not considered sufficient, recently chrony seems to be the preferred replacement.
[13:13] <tomreyn> (rather than ntp(d))
[13:14] <user> tomreyn, well i tried to activate the automatic syncing (but xubuntu told me there is no ntp, which i already thought weird)
[13:14] <user> so I uninstalled ntp now
[13:15] <user> but probably have to relogg
[13:15] <user> because it doesn't change the time (with everything on the right local and utc
[13:16] <user> kay, really weird, the time on my lightdm is right, but the instant i log in, its wrong
[13:17] <TJ-> user: your user's timezone/locale is set differently then
[13:18] <user> well, my tz is Berlin, my locale is en_US
[13:18] <user> which was never a problem
[13:18] <akshay> hii
[13:18] <TJ-> user: what does "timedatectl" report?
[13:18] <akshay> he he
[13:18] <user> TJ-, https://pastebin.com/h7jzcCv4
[13:20] <user> I'm sorry, something came up, thanks for the help for now :) will respond if something comes up, afterwards
[13:22] <TJ-> user: in the GUI I suspect you've got the clock applet set to show time in UTC
[13:24] <tomreyn> or "echo $TZ" / "env | grep ^TZ=" will report "UTC" (or something other than "Europe/Berlin")
[13:31] <TJ-> tomreyn: I tried that earlier, no TZ in the env
[13:58] <BenMcLean> I am having problems connecting to my Windows 10 file shares from Ubuntu, or even pinging computers on my LAN
[13:59] <BenMcLean> Like for instance, I have a Raspberry PI running RetroPie on the network with samba sharing turned on, and I can connect to those shares in nautilus, but I can't ping it
[14:00] <BenMcLean> i can ping google.com but when I ping computers on my LAN, I get "ping: NESPI: Temporary failure in name resolution"
[14:00] <BenMcLean> I know it's not my network because I can connect between Windows computers just fine on here
[14:04] <u0_a148> hai
[14:05] <BenMcLean> oh apparently LAN hosts need their hostname appended with ".local" to work now??
[14:06] <_KaszpiR_> fix your dns/dhcp server, then
[14:07] <BenMcLean> _KasipiR_ would that be my router? this is my apartment. i have google fiber
[14:07] <TJ-> BenMcLean: the .local is used by the multicast DNS service, avahi-daemon, so each host can advertise itself without needing an entry in a the LAN's DNS server
[14:08] <TJ-> BenMcLean: you can discover all mDNS hosts/services with "avahi-browse -art"
[14:08] <s1r0ne_> hi
[14:09] <BenMcLean> TJ- I see my Windows 10 computer's hostname in Nautilus but when I try to connect, I get message "Failed to retrieve share list from server. Network dropped connection on reset."
[14:09] <jdr> Does nautilus use smbv1?
[14:09] <BenMcLean> I've googled that and tried various things which were suggested
[14:10] <BenMcLean> jdr, i dont know
[14:10] <BenMcLean> jdr, if it did, would that be ... bad ?
[14:10] <TJ-> BenMcLean: I never use CIFs/SMB, it's a mess!
[14:11] <jdr> BenMcLean: SMBv1 is turned off in Windows 10 I believe.
[14:11] <BenMcLean> jdr oh, can i turn it back on?
[14:12] <ioria> you can fix it with ' client max protocol = NT1', if that's the problem
[14:14] <BenMcLean> i found out that i have to enable a windows feature to restore smbv1 support
[14:14] <BenMcLean> i guess that's not secure anymore tho, which is concerning.
[14:15] <BenMcLean> gotta restart this windows box to make it work, brb
[14:17] <user> TJ-, I wouldn't even know how to change that (xfce4)
[14:17] <user> tomreyn, sadly, no TZ data at all
[14:18] <TJ-> user: right-click the clock on the taskbar, choose "Properties", set Timezone !
[14:18] <user> TJ-, I already did that.
[14:18] <user> and it's still off
[14:19] <TJ-> user: what have you entered in that Timezone text box?
[14:19] <BenMcLean> Enabling the smbv1 optional Windows 10 feature made ubuntu able to connect to the shares just fine
[14:19] <user> TJ-, Europe/Berlin
[14:19] <TJ-> user: as soon as I enter that, the time the clock is displaying changes
[14:20] <user> TJ-, interesting, just to make sure, I changed it to some us tz, changed it back, and now the time is correct. Thanks!
[14:20] <TJ-> user: that is weird, but glad it fixed it!
[14:21] <user> thanks, now I only have to fix gnome-boxes :)
[14:26] <tuxi> hi is there any software for ubuntu to get notice for bios updates?
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> tuxi: some brands/models will give you firmware updates in the software center
[14:28] <user> tuxi, well it depends on what hardware you have. Some OEM do offer bios updates through linux
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> tuxi: see also fwupdate
[14:29] <tuxi> ok i was on asus hp but there have only for windows
[14:31] <tuxi> i found in synaptic package manager - thank you lotuspsychje
[14:33] <qwebirc21275> hi
[14:33] <qwebirc21275> how can i instal pkg-config in ubuntu from terminal?
[14:35] <ndayalan> qwebirc21275: sudo apt install pkg-config
[14:42] <lol768> What does "This computer currently has no detected operating systems" in the installer actually mean?
[14:43] <tomreyn> lol768: i don't remember seeing this, can you post a screen shot?
[14:43] <TJ-> lol768: it means the installer cannot identify any existing OSes on the fixed storage devices
[14:43] <lol768> Which device though? :P
[14:44] <lol768> It's not wrong, I do have 1 blank /dev/nvme0n1
[14:44] <lol768> (I also have two other drives which totally have stuff on them)
[14:45] <lol768> So how do I know which one it's going to erase and install on
[14:50] <TJ-> lol768: generally it'll examine all devices I *think* - but the way you describe it sounds like it decided the NVMe is the candidate!
[14:50] <lol768> But what if it didn't!
[14:51] <TJ-> lol768: then you're foo-barred :P
[14:51] <lol768> Hahahaha. I assume I'm supposed to use the manual partitions manager if I want control
[14:51] <TJ-> lol768: best not to let it do automatic partitioning
[14:51] <qwebirc21275> I got this error and VM crashed: "The I/O cache encountered an error while updating data in medium "ahci-0-0" (rc=VERR_INVALID_PARAMETER). Make sure there is enough free space on the disk and that the disk is working properly. Operation can be resumed afterwards."
[14:51] <TJ-> lol768: althought I'd hope the installer would give you a summary of where it was about to put the OS before starting
[14:51] <qwebirc21275> what happened why VM crashed and I got that error?
[14:51] <lol768> You'd think wouldn't you
[14:52] <lol768> I don't know if it will
[14:52] <lol768> Gah
[14:52] <TJ-> lol768: test it in a VM ?
[14:52] <lol768> I can YouTube search for a video first :p
[14:52] <lol768> You can tell I don't do this often
[14:52] <TJ-> lol768: I've not used the installer (ubiquity) in *years* because it is a band-aid plastering over a festering debian-installer
[14:52] <OerHeks> qwebirc, the error is clear, enough free space? or is it read-only?
[14:54] <lol768> Yeah I had a better time installing Debian on a server
[14:54] <qwebirc21275> Oerheks you mean no enough space? but I created virtual hard disk with over 20GB how it is possible? I just installed, rust, go etc
[14:55] <lol768> Right, I have an even better idea
[14:55] <OerHeks> qwebirc, df -h # would tell
[14:55] <lol768> It involves unplugging SATA cables
[14:55] <OerHeks> 20 gb is not that much
[14:56] <lol768> Try and erase the wrong disks now, ubiquity!
[14:56] <TJ-> lol768: great plan, or do a manual install using debootstrap and chroot :D
[14:56] <lol768> But LUKS is hard
[14:56] <lol768> :P
[14:56] <qwebirc21275> Oerheks many files appeared, which one is the one to look at?
[14:57] <OerHeks> all the lines above snap
[14:58] <qwebirc21275> Oerheks, in used % from the top down until snap: 0, 1, 40, 1, 1, 0
[14:59] <lol768> Aha, there is a confirmation
[15:00] <lol768> And it tells me the device \o/
[15:00] <OerHeks> qwebirc that does not say anything, paste the output on paste.ubuntu.com
[15:02] <TJ-> lol768: LUKS is easy!
[15:02] <TJ-> lol768: thanks for confirming that
[15:02] <qwebirc21275> OerHeks I pasted and then?
[15:06] <OerHeks> qwebirc, and copy the url here, perhaps?
[15:08] <bash_> hello
[15:13] <qwebirc21275> OerHeks ok one sec
[15:16] <kura> Hey, I wonder if someone can help me. I have a job where I have to use a ubuntu based OS that is "secure" it's completely locked down. I cannot edit files and have no access to terminal. However my second monitor doesn't work. I can edit the USB stick the OS is on, can I use grub or anything like that to help me?
[15:31] <Codex2> kura: sure
[15:31] <Codex2> ^_^
[15:31] <leftyfb> Codex2: they are gone
[15:31] <Mysterytrain> with the wind
[15:32] <Codex2> Yeah, I know... but seemed unethical to let them know while they were still here how to break into OSs
[15:33] <qwebirc21275> OerHeks here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CvgMV4bT4V/
[15:35] <qwebirc21275> Can anyone check link about? do i have error with storage or enough storage?
[15:36] <tomreyn> qwebirc21275: none of your file systems has run full.
[15:37] <tomreyn> qwebirc21275: the error messag eoyu posted initially was reported by virtualbox. i suggest you disable host i/o caching for this VM.
[15:37] <tomreyn> but virtualbox support is in #vbox
[15:38] <tomreyn> (that's unless you use ubuntu's builds, on a supported ubuntu host OS)
[15:40] <Codex2> qwebirc21275: you have enough
[15:40] <Codex2> qwebirc21275: especially if you've allocated the virtual hdd to dynamic
[15:42] <Codex2> and run full only clears tmpfs' he's allocated a partition to sda1 that looks more or less fine... depending on the files stored there
[15:43] <OerHeks> yes, not a free space issue indeed, and looks like hardly installed anything
[15:50] <qwebirc21275> Codex2 so why VM crashing then?
[15:50] <qwebirc21275> I run some cargo command and then machine frozen and need to turn on and off
[15:51] <Codex2> qwebirc21275: when you say crashing do you mean slowly beginning to lag until you restart or just straight up crashing with in a second
[15:51] <OerHeks> 'I run some cargo command' ...
[15:52] <Codex2> qwebirc21275: well, that doesn't sound like a space issue it sounds like an application issue
[15:52] <Codex2> qwebirc21275: are you running this in a cli or gui?
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc21275: if you want volunteers to help you, please pastebin the output of errors
[15:53] <OerHeks> without proper and *all* info, why do you think we can answer?
[15:53] <OerHeks> and time to register
[15:53] <OerHeks> !register
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc21275: you could try launching your VM from a terminal for example
[15:53] <Codex2> well... I was going to say he could start by running it verbosely
[15:55] <Codex1> hmmm I don't remember how to ghost my username
[15:58] <qwebirc21275> Codex automatic crash, i'm using the terminal
[16:02] <Codex1> then see if there is a -v -V verbose flag that can give you output to copy and paste into a pastebin
[16:04] <OerHeks> "i'm using the terminal" .. on virtual box vm? or to start the VM?
[16:05] <Codex1> He's using the GUI to boot into the VM and using the virtual machines terminal...
[16:09] <hexhaxtron> Hi! My GRUB only shows a purple screen. I tried to use refind instead but it says: EFI variables are not supported on this system.
[16:09] <hexhaxtron> What should I do?
[16:10] <Codex1> hexhaxtron: how do you know you've booted into GRUB if all you see is a purple screen?
[16:11] <Codex1> imgur.com
[16:12] <hexhaxtron> Codex1, wait, I'm trying something. brb
[16:14] <hexhaxtron> Codex1, I successfully ran refind-install but I still get a purple screen...
[16:15] <Codex1> never even heard of refind-install, lol
[16:23] <CarpeOmnia> hey, so doesn't anyone happen to know how to bypass google's server appliance, or at the very least backup the software and refresh the os to factory settings?
[16:23] <TJ-> CarpeOmnia: is it running Ubuntu?
[16:24] <CarpeOmnia> to be honest... I can't tell.
[16:24] <TJ-> CarpeOmnia: it doesn't sounds like an Ubuntu support question :)
[16:24] <CarpeOmnia> It's boots into bash... but I don't think there is any frontend
[16:25] <CarpeOmnia> fair enough...
[16:25] <Guest14085> Hi I'm trying to set up fulldisc encryption manually during installation on Ubuntu 19.04 but it's a real struggle... it's telling me it can't mount one the partitions I try to create
[16:25] <TJ-> CarpeOmnia: possibly try ##networking
[16:25] <TJ-> CarpeOmnia: there are a few net admins there, although you'll do better on a weekday
[16:26] <Guest14085> aren't I supposed to create two cryptpartitions (one for / and one for swap) ?
[16:26] <CarpeOmnia> it's not a networking question...
[16:26] <tds> CarpeOmnia: istr they're effectively just dell servers, and you can reflash them with a standard bios rather than the locked down one?
[16:27] <tds> never used them myself though
[16:27] <TJ-> CarpeOmnia: it's a network/search appliance isn't it? but see this for clues: https://davehope.co.uk/Blog/turn-an-old-google-appliance-into-an-esx-server/
[16:27] <CarpeOmnia> Guest, you don't encrypt the swap file as it's volatile [aka it should be deleted every reboot]
[16:27] <jeffrey_f> Getting “low disk space on filesystem root”.
[16:27] <TJ-> CarpeOmnia: "A Google appliance is just a Dell PowerEdge 2950 with a yellow coat of paint and a snazzy front bezel" :)
[16:28] <CarpeOmnia> actually... this is a google search appliance GSA, It's the blue server
[16:28] <CarpeOmnia> not the dell poweredge r4710
[16:28] <Guest14085> CarpeOmnia, um.... the installer actaully warns you if attempt to install without encrypting swap
[16:28] <tds> swap encryption is probably sensible, otherwise you'll potentially end up reading your nice encrypted data off the disk, then writing it to swap unencrypted
[16:29] <Guest14085> tds, exactly
[16:29] <tds> is this desktop or server?
[16:29] <CarpeOmnia> I'm sorry guys... for whatever reason I was thinking of RAM allocation not the swap or page file...
[16:30] <CarpeOmnia> but still you're computer would run quite slow if you encrypted the file that is intended to act like RAM when RAM runs out
[16:31] <TJ-> CarpeOmnia: depends if the CPU supports the cipher algorithm in hardware
[16:31] <Guest14085> This is what I'm attepmting to do https://imgur.com/a/2bq447Z
[16:32] <jeffrey_f> Getting “low disk space on filesystem root”.  Help.  I've had this quite a while ago, but don't remember what the solution was.
[16:32] <tds> any specific reason you're trying to do it by hand rather than the standard luks + lvm setup?
[16:32] <CarpeOmnia> if it's hardware, then that's something to set in the bios... but if it's ubuntu then... I don't think it will even let you encrypt the swap
[16:33] <Guest14085> jeffrey_f, start with sudo apt autoremove
[16:34] <tds> CarpeOmnia: it definitely will, and if you run the installer without doing manual partitioning and enable encryption then you'll end up with lvm on luks, and a swap lv in that vg (or possibly a swapfile on your encrypted rootfs, I think it may have changed recently)
[16:34] <CarpeOmnia> he's still partitioning the hdd so there is no sudo apt anything yet
[16:34] <jeffrey_f> Guest14085, did it
[16:35] <Guest14085> CarpeOmnia, well, in that case the solution would of course be different
[16:36] <Guest14085> is there anything wrong in my screenshot?
[16:36] <TJ-> Ubuntu encrypts the swap partition by default
[16:37] <TJ-> not sure what it does with the new 'swap file' arrangement though
[16:37] <tds> Guest14085: as I said, I'd be interested to know why you're doing it by hand rather than the standard partitioning setup - but that looks fine, if you want sdb4_crypt to be swap then you should set type to swap rather than ext4
[16:37] <Guest14085> rebooting doesn't help, using the auto encrypt option is convinent but it doesn't let me adjust swap / size then
[16:37] <CarpeOmnia> your swap file is ext4 for starters
[16:39] <CarpeOmnia> Guest14085: is your HDD an SSD, and if so... is this running on a server or a desktop computer?
[16:40] <Guest14085> CarpeOmnia, it's set to swap?
[16:41] <Guest14085> CarpeOmnia, desktop computer
[16:41] <CarpeOmnia> Guest14085: no it's set to ext4
[16:42] <CarpeOmnia> Guest14085: if you're not running on a server or if you and don't have a dedicated processor for encryption... then you don't have enough resources to use realtime encryption... You're best bet is to just delete the swap file by reallocating that memory with random 1's and  0 's the and if your using a server... then set a tamper switch
[16:43] <CarpeOmnia> you're*
[16:44] <Guest14085> CarpeOmnia, well that's quite unfounded... I have been using fulldisc encryption on an 8 years old machine without any  (visible) performance penaulty at all
[16:46] <Guest14085> also I still don't get where you read ext4 on /sdb4 ?
[16:46] <CarpeOmnia> in your screenshot... under partition typr
[16:46] <CarpeOmnia> type*
[16:47] <Guest14085> CarpeOmnia, for sdb3 yes, definiatly, but not for sdb4
[16:48] <CarpeOmnia> Guest14085: well that's what it's showing in the screenshot
[16:54] <CarpeOmnia> btw, if you're filesystem is encrypted, the data being stored in swap is automatically encrypted... it wouldn't make much sense for the computer to decrypt your data and store it in swap... unless you are trying to run or view a file decrypted, firefox... a pdf... for example.  So ultimately the files your using that are kept in extended RAM or a swap partition need to be decrypted in order to use or view anything on your computer
[16:54] <CarpeOmnia>  that said... delete your swap file or encrypt it only when your computer is not expected to be used, i.e. hibernation or shutdown
[16:55] <CarpeOmnia> https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/encrypted-swap-partition-on/ is one of the ways to encrypt a swap file
[16:56] <Guest14085> CarpeOmnia, damn I uploaded the wrong screenshot, wasn't aware I had taken two of them
[16:59] <Guest14085> anyway the erros I get is... "Unable to mount /dev/sdb3_crypt in / failed, you can redo partition in partition menu
[16:59] <Guest14085> any ideas?
[17:00] <melodie> hi
[17:00] <compdoc> you can no longer mount an encripted partition? it used to work?
[17:01] <Guest14085> compdoc, nope trying to create a new encrypted install manually
[17:01] <compdoc> oh
[17:01] <melodie> I bought a videoprojector brand Elephas, and I can use it only with the VGA output in Ubuntu, and only in 1024x768 whereas it should be able to work with HDMI as well.
[17:01] <Guest14085> but I'm about to give up, I can't do it
[17:01] <CarpeOmnia> melodie: is there an HDMI port?
[17:01] <TJ-> melodie: when the projector is connected via HDMI, what does "xrandr -q" report?
[17:01] <melodie> I have tried with several computers including a laptop coming with a good intel 945 graphical chip,
[17:02] <compdoc> Guest14085, is it an LVM partition?
[17:02] <melodie> CarpeOmnia the HDMI on one laptop, with a ATI 8200 would not work the other laptop has VGA no hdmi and the videoprojector has VGA and HDMI
[17:03] <CarpeOmnia> melodie: well then that's why it doesn't support HDMI
[17:03] <melodie> TJ- just xrandr with no option didn't see it at all
[17:03] <TJ-> melodie: which suggests the projector is not responding on HDMI *or* you've a bad cable/connector somewhere
[17:03] <melodie> TJ- I tried with two HDMI cables
[17:04] <CarpeOmnia> or that... he thinks HDMI is a protocol that can run through a VGA cable?
[17:04] <melodie> I would think at least one of the would work?
[17:04] <TJ-> melodie: what is the projector model number?
[17:04] <Guest14085> compdoc, nope, I have no idea how to create lvm partitions from the installer so here is what it looks like: https://imgur.com/a/51WO3yu
[17:04] <cfhowlett> !lvm
[17:04] <melodie> TJ- Elephas : https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B07FSH92SN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[17:05] <melodie> CarpeOmnia I tried with normal vga to vga on one lappy and normal hdmi to hdmi on the other lappy
[17:05] <compdoc> Guest14085, I think the ubuntu installer uses LVM when you select to encrypt your home dir
[17:05] <melodie> also I tried hdmi to hdmi on a desktop but that didn't work
[17:05] <TJ-> melodie: so it is a 1280x800 projector?
[17:05] <compdoc> when you let the installer create automatically
[17:06] <melodie> TJ- supposedly a 1280x800 with higher resolution abilities
[17:06] <CarpeOmnia> melodie: just because it says 1080p and supports hdmi
[17:06] <CarpeOmnia> does not mean it supports higher resolutions
[17:07] <melodie> that's what the descriptions says : it's supposed to support up to 1920 x 1080
[17:07] <Guest14085> compdoc, yes, I know that, but the problem with that is I would like to use a bigger swap than the automatic wizard gives me (Vmware player likes lots more)
[17:08] <CarpeOmnia> Common display resolutions  include SVGA (800×600 pixels), XGA (1024×768 pixels), SXGA+ (1400x1050 pixels), 720p (1280×720 pixels), and 1080p  (1920×1080 pixels), 4K UHD (3840x2160), as well as 16:10 aspect ratio  resolutions including WXGA+ (1280x800 pixels) and WUXGA (1920x1200  pixels)
[17:08] <compdoc> Guest14085, they use swap files these days, and not partitions. and you can set the size of the file. is that what youre doing?
[17:08] <melodie> CarpeOmnia TJ- I'm a newbie regarding videoprojectors. Can you tell me how do ubuntu or any linux box get along with hdmi peripherals? does it usually work well?
[17:09] <CarpeOmnia> they get along fine... natively even
[17:09] <TJ-> melodie: yes, you'd expect any HDMI display device to 'just work' - when they are connected the display device will send data telling the GPU (the PC) what display resolutions and timings it supports  - that is the EDID - and then the PC will choose a mode it can generate
[17:10] <TJ-> melodie: have you tried it with both HDMI ports on the projector?
[17:10] <melodie> CarpeOmnia my young son tried it with his laptop under windows 10 and he could get it to work with the hdmi cable, but he could not setup the resolution
[17:10] <melodie> TJ- good question, I'm not sure, but I can give it again a try
[17:10] <CarpeOmnia> melodie: 1080 pixels devided by 200 inches is 5.4 pixels per inch
[17:10] <melodie> I tried hdmi1
[17:11] <CarpeOmnia> is the display just not showing up?
[17:11] <Guest14085> compdoc, well, in that case I'm sees to be fighting against pure air.... then that's changed, because last time I installed with encrypted install (auto) it did create swap file?
[17:11] <melodie> CarpeOmnia with 1024x768 I'm not projecting "Big Buck Bunny" (using VGA) and I had to setup the shape in the projector and 16:10 in VLC
[17:12] <melodie> CarpeOmnia on the other laptop with hdmi it was not seen at all
[17:12] <compdoc> I think since 18.04, or maybe the version before that
[17:12] <melodie> no display and also not seen by the usual randr tools
[17:13] <melodie> I'll just retry now, with HDMI2, just incase
[17:13] <CarpeOmnia> because... if that's the case... it's likely that you have multiple display outputs in which case... you need to boot into linux on your laptop and then either use a hotkey to switch to the display or settings display options in ubuntu
[17:13] <melodie> also, in which cases can you also use a video projector with a tower?
[17:14] <melodie> CarpeOmnia I tried several ways, hotplug or not, no additional screen was found with hdmi
[17:14] <melodie> I tried in Xubuntu
[17:14] <melodie> in Xubuntu I also added arandr, same, and invoked xrandr in the console, and tried to see the hdmi in the lspci output
[17:14] <CarpeOmnia> melodie: I said with a hotkey not hotplugged
[17:15] <CarpeOmnia> look at your keyboard... are there symbols on the top row that you press with the Fn key?
[17:15] <melodie> CarpeOmnia ok, what is it and how can I do that?
[17:15] <melodie> oh ok, I see
[17:15] <Guest14085> compdoc, that sounds nice, can I add a swapfile even if I'm currently running with a swap partition?
[17:15] <melodie> CarpeOmnia I'm going to restart that machine and check
[17:16] <sentiment> hi everyone
[17:17] <sentiment> after relocating the ubuntu installation to my new ssd drive, the boot time has surprisingly increased
[17:17] <sentiment> contrary to the expectation
[17:17] <sentiment> I have extracted an svg using systemd-analyze
[17:18] <sentiment> and it shows the plynouth service and various dev devices to be the culprits
[17:18] <sentiment> something went wrong with dev# devices after the ssd upgrade
[17:20] <melodie> CarpeOmnia TJ- I have pressed a hotkey whose icon looks like a screen. this has triggered the opening of a window where the display settings can be done (Xubuntu) and it still does not see the videoprojector
[17:21] <melodie> the videoprojector displays briefly "Elephas" and not long after "NO SIGNAL"
[17:21] <melodie> :-(
[17:21] <melodie> that's on HDMI2 now
[17:21] <melodie> I'll seek for the setup btw
[17:21] <TJ-> melodie: right now can you open a terminal and show us "pastebinit <( xrandr -q; cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log )"
[17:21] <sentiment> here: https://termbin.com/j18l
[17:21] <sentiment> ignore the update service time
[17:21] <TJ-> melodie: I'm suspecting your HDMI cables - how long are they?
[17:21] <sentiment> it is a one time occurence
[17:22] <TJ-> sentiment: it's easier to show us "systemd-analyze critical-chain"
[17:24] <TJ-> melodie: I'm also wondering if the PC has dual GPUs and the HDMI port isn't active. Can you connect the PC to another HDMI display (a TV, or monitor) and see it working?
[17:24] <melodie> TJ- one is 1 meter and a half, I guess the other one about the same.
[17:24] <melodie> no I don't have such a thing
[17:24] <TJ-> melodie: OK, length should be good then - I've got projectors on 15m cables
[17:24] <TJ-> melodie: i think you need to prove the PC can display on HDMI first, else you could be trying to solve a problem on the projector that doesn't exist
[17:25] <melodie> also in Windows it works, just my son could not setup the resolution, windows would not allow him for some unknown reason
[17:25] <TJ-> melodie: Windows on the same PC?
[17:25] <melodie> TJ- that's possible
[17:25] <melodie> TJ- no, a laptop that has a Intel chipset, a HP x360
[17:25] <lol768> TJ-: since you helped me diagnose my previous hardware issue, you may be interested to know it turned out to be a RAM issue - one stick failed after a day. Retailer replaced, for me
[17:26] <TJ-> lol768: ouch, but great it was replaced
[17:26] <melodie> TJ- is it possible for me to test with a computer such as a tower? Or a small form factor desktop computer?
[17:26] <TJ-> melodie: OK, in a terminal show us the result of "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk -d ::0300 )"
[17:27] <melodie> I have one with a sff gpu but I don't know how to get it to display on the two
[17:27] <melodie> ok wait a sec
[17:27] <sentiment> TJ-: here https://termbin.com/xuvi
[17:27] <TJ-> melodie: you mean drive the projector from the tower, or SFF?
[17:27] <sentiment> networkmanager wait online service is one of the culprits
[17:27] <melodie> TJ- a HP SFF computer, which has a SFF pci-e nvidia card
[17:28] <TJ-> sentiment: the longest wait there is around 6 seconds for the network to come online
[17:28] <sentiment> besides the dev disk service I mentioned above
[17:28] <TJ-> melodie: if the PC can output HDMI then yes, you can test with that PC
[17:28] <sentiment> TJ-: is that attributable to the post-login slowness?
[17:29] <sentiment> because after I login, the purple screen stays and stays for like... 10 seconds
[17:29] <sentiment> before showing the desktop
[17:29] <sentiment> TJ-: how about systemd-analyze blame?
[17:30] <sentiment> it shows different things and seems more pertinent as far as I can see
[17:30] <sentiment> here https://termbin.com/tu58
[17:30] <TJ-> sentiment: have you checked the kernel log for any I/O errors?
[17:30] <sentiment> one part of the slowness is during the bootup
[17:30] <sentiment> and the other part is post-login
[17:30] <melodie> TJ- on the graphic card there is a HDMI and a DVI output : if I connect the screen to DVI and the videoprojector to HDMI, is it supposed to work?
[17:31] <sentiment> TJ-: I will
[17:31] <TJ-> sentiment: there are a lot of loop devices there; are those for snaps?
[17:31] <melodie> I tried and could not get something looking like it wanted to work...
[17:32] <TJ-> melodie: yes, or you could simply connect that PC to the projector using HDMI and the projector should show the PC boot messages and so on
[17:32] <sentiment> TJ-: there are indeed i/o errors
[17:32] <TJ-> melodie: as in, only have the projector connected to the PC, no other screen
[17:32] <sentiment> related to remount
[17:32] <TJ-> sentiment: aha!
[17:32] <sentiment> TJ-: after finding out they were related to snap I removed snap yesterday
[17:32] <sentiment> but they are still there somehow
[17:33] <melodie> TJ- thank you, I'll try that
[17:33] <TJ-> sentiment: presumably you've not removed snapd?
[17:33] <melodie> I have to run for some food to buy now, bbl
[17:33] <sentiment> TJ-: https://termbin.com/eoyl
[17:33] <sentiment> kern.log
[17:34] <sentiment> hmm snapd? lemme see
[17:34] <melodie>  TJ- orditux@compaq:~$ pastebinit <( lspci -nnk -d ::0300 )
[17:34] <melodie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/n83SykQdWc/
[17:34] <TJ-> sentiment: can you show me "pastebinit <( journalctl -b )"
[17:34] <sentiment> snapd is not installed
[17:34] <sentiment> ok
[17:35] <TJ-> melodie: ooooo that is interesting! you notice the AMD GPU lists 2 kernel (driver) modules "radeon" and "amdgpu") but it *DOES NOT* show either as loaded - meaning it isn't being used!
[17:35] <sentiment> TJ-: are you okay with termbin?
[17:36] <sentiment> because pastebinit is not installed and I'm not sure it's worth it
[17:36] <TJ-> melodie: I believe this will be the problem and we just need to find out why they are not loading
[17:36] <TJ-> sentiment: I am
[17:36] <TJ-> sentiment: I was just trying to make the commands self-contained
[17:36] <sentiment> yeah thx
[17:36] <sentiment> https://termbin.com/elld
[17:38] <sentiment> it's too long
[17:38] <sentiment> maybe a grep for something?
[17:40] <sentiment> it must be related to the ssd
[17:40] <sentiment> not sure how
[17:40] <sentiment> TJ-: for what it's worth, I emphasize that Ubuntu was 'relocated' to the new drive using an image
[17:40] <sentiment> so it was not a fresh install
[17:41] <sentiment> maybe some stuff went haywire
[17:42] <TJ-> sentiment: long read... but I don't see any clues there whatever
[17:42] <sentiment> here's the fstab https://termbin.com/lduz
[17:42] <sentiment> yeah , suspected so
[17:42] <sentiment> or... figured as much
[17:43] <sentiment> I think the kern.log can be more helpful
[17:44] <sentiment> I hope it's not a drive issue
[17:45] <sentiment> it is brand new and I'm pretty sure it is not faulty
[17:45] <sentiment> bbl
[17:48] <TJ-> sentiment: I tried to view your SVG but the termbin cut it off before the end
[17:54] <TJ-> sentiment: I notice that ata3-6 devices fail a soft reset initially - that could be related
[18:02] <asdew> I have a laptop of which the display does not work and possibly the whole laptop doesn't even boot. How could I check if the system boots with Ubuntu liveCD? I have no external monitors with which I could try it. One option is if Ubuntu writes something to a file on the media on which the liveCD, but does it?
[18:07] <_KaszpiR_> asdew does it have network?
[18:08] <_KaszpiR_> if so then you could set up rsyslog, to send logs to remote location
[18:10] <asdew> _KaszpiR_: It has some network card, let me look the name of it up
[18:10] <asdew> It has a BCM4313
[18:11] <_KaszpiR_> also if it boots then it could send DHCP/BOOTP requests over network
[18:11] <_KaszpiR_> and if it supports pxe boot then you could really spawn system fully unattended and configure for example ssh
[18:12] <_KaszpiR_> or you could do this with boot media (like pendrive) with custom start script
[18:13] <_KaszpiR_> but still, you may be limited by the settings in the bios/uefi, which, for example, limit booting only from certain media
[18:14] <asdew> If it has ethernet connected when booting, should it automatically connect to the network? My router has a configuration panel from which I can see all the registered devices and I could see if it has booted from that
[18:14] <jcotton> it should
[18:15] <melodie> TJ- I'm back
[18:15] <melodie> "<TJ-> melodie: I believe this will be the problem and we just need to find out why they are not loading"
[18:16] <melodie> I checked, it appears it's kms taking over
[18:16] <melodie> I'll try a "nomodeset" perhaps?
[18:20] <TJ-> melodie: no, that would make things worse!
[18:20] <TJ-> melodie: the info you reported indicates that no proper driver was loaded at all
[18:21] <melodie> sure but do the xorg drivers respond to the lsmod lspci and such command lines?
[18:21] <asdew> Darn, my laptop is refusing to even turn the fan and lights on
[18:24] <melodie> TJ- it appears the package xserver-xorg-video-radeon isn't installed, for unknown reason, so I'm installing it now
[18:24] <melodie> also, why adding "nomodeset" would make it worse exactly?
[18:26] <melodie> asdew have you checked the memory modules?
[18:34] <Ragnaro7> guys do somebody knows why my pc crash in this way? https://imgur.com/bZGDbKB
[18:35] <JonelethIrenicus> wow print commands are great
[18:35] <melodie> Ragnaro7 perhaps something to do with the gpu?
[18:37] <Ragnaro7> idk It happens suddenly when I'm using the PC or when I try to update through graphical interface, by terminal it does not cause error
[18:38] <asdew> melodie: It finally "booted" after many attempts. The ethernet lights on the laptop and on the router are blinking so that's a good sign, but I'm still trying to figure out the laptop's IP address if it booted (which it seems to have)
[18:39] <melodie> asdew you still might want to check the memory modules, along with the power : state of the battery and charger
[18:39] <melodie> the battery it's easy using the "acpi -i" command line. (Install the acpi package if needed)
[18:40] <melodie> TJ- I'm still struggling with the laptop, but using ssh now
[18:41] <melodie> it seems to dislike the xserver-xorg-radeon as well as xserver-xorg-ati packages and their fellow packages
[18:41] <asdew> melodie: The laptop is getting power just fine and it doesn't have a battery. The memory modules are fine, at least according to the ethernet port lights
[18:42] <tomreyn> melodie: i think TJ is out for the night. if you can sum things up again, maybe someone else can help you.
[18:42] <melodie> tomreyn ok, thanks
[18:43]  * TJ- is here put making pizzas :)
[18:43] <tomreyn> oops
[18:43] <melodie> TJ- ha ha! Have a nice meal!
[18:46] <tomreyn> Ragnaro7: are you saying your computer will switch away from a graphical desktop to this screen while you're installing updates (and then get stuck there)?
[18:47] <TJ-> melodie: if you have SSh access to the laptop, can you do "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk; grep . /etc/modprobe.d/* | grep -v ^# )"
[18:47] <VitoG> hello
[18:47] <VitoG> do amd ryzen work with ubuntu
[18:48] <Ragnaro7> yes mainly but when im using it normally sometimes happen
[18:48] <melodie> TJ- disclaimer: it's a mess now. ^^
[18:48] <melodie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rHCsn8hZ6q/
[18:48] <tomreyn> VitoG: yes, i'm using a 1800x on this system. there were some issues with the APUs but i assume they're solved by now.
[18:49] <VitoG> kool
[18:49] <VitoG> tomreyn i heard of seg faults
[18:49] <TJ-> melodie: well, good sign is a kernel driver is being used now: "Kernel driver in use: radeon"
[18:49] <VitoG> tomreyn yeah im looking at zen+ mobile 3700U PRO
[18:49] <tomreyn> VitoG: that's too unspecific for me to comment on, i'm afraid.
[18:50] <VitoG> OK
[18:50] <tomreyn> "i heard of seg faults", that is
[18:50] <TJ-> melodie: that all looks good, so the xorg drivers are now causing an issue?
[18:50] <melodie> TJ- doesn't help, the gui is now frozen and totally empty
[18:50] <melodie> XD
[18:50] <melodie> I might want to reinstall
[18:51] <melodie> (which I usually don't... XD XD)
[18:51] <tomreyn> VitoG: are 3700U PRO available, yet? i don't think they are, right?
[18:51] <boredguy> the main reason i use ubuntu is to not reinstall
[18:52] <VitoG> tomreyn 3700U non pro is
[18:52] <tomreyn> VitoG: it's actually called "Ryzen 7 PRO 3700U"
[18:52] <VitoG> 3700 U Pro is due out soon
[18:52] <VitoG> its shipping but the notebooks will be late may or june
[18:53] <VitoG> processors are ready
[18:53] <VitoG> laptops are not
[18:53] <tomreyn> VitoG: okay, then "soon" we'll be able to tell whether or not they work with linux, and with ubuntu, but not yet.
[18:53] <VitoG> yeah
[18:53] <boredguy> Ryzen is expensive
[18:53] <VitoG> tomreyn which size laptop is best for trains planes and automobiles
[18:53] <VitoG> also want good performance
[18:54] <tomreyn> !ot | VitoG
[18:54] <VitoG> ik
[18:54] <TJ-> melodie: "pastebinit <( grep . /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,.d/*} )"
[18:54] <tomreyn> hardware choice questions are a bit OT here, i'm afraid
[18:55] <boredguy> an intel ultrabook
[18:55] <tomreyn> boredguy: see above, thanks.
[18:55] <melodie> TJ- no such file
[18:55] <melodie> You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[18:55] <TJ-> melodie: that's a good sign :)
[18:55] <VitoG> its dead around here
[18:55] <TJ-> melodie: now "pastebinit <( ls -latr /var/log/ )"
[18:55] <gourgi> .
[18:55] <melodie> not really, TJ- the gui is frozen
[18:56] <melodie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SH8YMDByqt/
[18:56] <TJ-> melodie: but the PC is working, so it can be diagnosed
[18:56] <tomreyn> Ragnaro7: were you responding to me there earlier? i only spotted it now, be sure to mention my nickname when you respond, thanks.
[18:56] <TJ-> melodie: "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[18:56] <melodie> TJ- yes sure, but I'm far from having a hdmi working computer, instead I...
[18:57] <tomreyn> Ragnaro7: if you like, you can post your system log next time it happens, or from lat time it happened, if you can tell when this was.
[18:57] <melodie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4R73r6VQyr/
[18:57] <tomreyn> *laSt
[18:58] <tomreyn> asdew: this sounds like you really need an external monitor one or the other way.
[18:59] <melodie> TJ- I pasted
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4R73r6VQyr/
[19:00] <melodie> omg I disconnected the hdmi cable and know I do have a login
[19:01] <melodie> but no keyboard nor cursor
[19:01] <TJ-> melodie: this doesn't look good: "config/udev: removing GPU device /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/drm/card0 /dev/dri/card0"
[19:02] <tomreyn> asdew: ubuntu doesn't run an ssh server on the live iso by default, so you wont be able to connect to the system until it's enabled, even if you find out the ip address.
[19:02] <melodie> TJ- I give up on this laptop, I'll reinstall
[19:02] <melodie> can't spend too much time on it
[19:02] <TJ-> melodie: show us "pastebinit <( grep . /etc/udev/rules.d/* )"
[19:02] <Ragnaro7> tomreyn: okay thanks
[19:03] <melodie> TJ- "no such file or directory" :-(
[19:04] <TJ-> melodie: oh, good, no custom changes. I'm hunting for anything non-standard that would do that.
[19:04] <melodie> I'll work on the SFF tower now
[19:04] <melodie> TJ- I just messed up trying to install the xerver package radeon which pulled in a bunch of hwe packages which I can't remove now
[19:05] <melodie> so I'll install something else (I'll copy paste the partitions from another hdd as a matter of fact)
[19:05] <melodie> using gparted
[19:05] <melodie> my goal is to master the videoprojector, not fiddle with this laptop
[19:05] <melodie> but, thanks a lot :)
[19:06] <TJ-> melodie: OK
[19:06] <TJ-> melodie: one last thing: "DISPLAY=:0.0 xrandr -q"
[19:06] <melodie> now I'll plugin the SFF HP and it's SFF nvidia gpu
[19:06] <TJ-> melodie: if the projector is connected to HDMI that should allow you to query the X subsystem from the SSH session
[19:06] <melodie> too late for that, I sent the "poweroff" command
[19:07] <melodie> no it's now plugged to the SFF HP tower which I need to plug into the electrical power and start + keyboard + mouse
[19:08] <asdew> tomreyn: I know, I just wanted to try to ping it just to make sure it has booted up
[19:09] <tomreyn> asdew: your router would know if it handed out an ip address to it via dhcp, and should be able to tell you.
[19:09] <TJ-> asdew: you want to discover the IP address? you could try listening on the network interface of another PC in case you can spot broadcasts from it. You could also try first "avahi-browse -art" see if that shows it. Otherwise to snoop the interface "sudo tcpdump -n 'not ip and not ip6' "
[19:10] <tomreyn> asdew: alternatively, you could scan the local network using nmap
[19:10] <TJ-> asdew: most installs now enable avahi-daemon, which is the multicast-DNS daemon, which uses broadcasts to notify other devices on the LAN of its presence
[19:11] <tomreyn> TJ-: does the live cd, do you know?
[19:11] <tomreyn> because i think that's what asdew is testing with
[19:12] <melodie> someone has told me the right thing to do!!!
[19:12] <TJ-> tomreyn: not sure, I never use the installer images
[19:13] <TJ-> melodie: make a cup of tea? :p
[19:13] <tomreyn> oh right, you said so.
[19:13] <melodie> wao TJ- the direct connexion to the SFF GPU on the SFF HP tower works!
[19:13] <TJ-> tomreyn: I'd think so if printer discovery and so on is expected to work
[19:13] <melodie> HDMI2 it is! \o/ Hurrah!
[19:14] <TJ-> melodie: great, so the projector is good, the PC was having the problem
[19:14] <tomreyn> TJ-: hmm makes sense. i'll try in a vm
[19:14] <melodie> now on to the resolution once logged in
[19:14] <TJ-> tomreyn: check the manifest
[19:15] <TJ-> 18.04.2 >
[19:15] <TJ-> avahi-autoipd 0.7-3.1ubuntu1.2
[19:15] <melodie> except for the resolution...
[19:15] <TJ-> avahi-daemon 0.7-3.1ubuntu1.2
[19:15] <elmagio> Hi ! I have an issue with Wine on the latest Ubuntu version, is this the right place to ask for help?
[19:15] <TJ-> avahi-utils 0.7-3.1ubuntu1.2
[19:15] <TJ-> melodie: what does "xrandr -q" report ?
[19:15] <melodie> I get only 640x480 :-(
[19:16] <melodie> connecting to the network...
[19:18] <elmagio> I'm not sure it's very clear, but basically Wine programs seem to be unable to play OGG sounds
[19:18] <tomreyn> TJ-: yes i see it running, bound to ubuntu.local
[19:19] <melodie> TJ- it says: "xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[19:19] <elmagio> I've checked with a few RPGMaker games, and those that include mp3 tracks work fine, but those that have ogg tracks just don't have any sound
[19:19] <melodie> Screen 0: minimum 640x480, current 640x480, maximum 640x480
[19:19] <elmagio> I know those same games worked last year
[19:20] <melodie> default connected 640x480+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[19:20] <elmagio> and I have ogg/vorbis codecs installed, so those same ogg files work fine outside of wine
[19:20] <melodie> 640x480      73.00*
[19:20] <tomreyn> !wine | elmagio
[19:20] <OerHeks> elmagio, for wine support, join #winehq
[19:20] <melodie> TJ- that's all. :-(
[19:20] <OerHeks> !wine
[19:20] <TJ-> melodie: on the face of it that info should come from the projector in an EDID, so either there was no EDID or it was invalid and was ignored and a standard VGA default chosen, but that seems unlikely
[19:21] <melodie> TJ- no idea
[19:21] <elmagio> OerHeks: I've tried but apparently I have to register to join #winehq
[19:21] <TJ-> melodie: if you can get network connectivity on that PC, show us "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[19:21] <OerHeks> elmagio, yes, register with #freenode
[19:21] <OerHeks> !register
[19:22] <elmagio> ok
[19:22] <melodie> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D9jjkgB6rH/
[19:22] <elmagio> !register
[19:23] <tomreyn> elmagio: the bots are not currently able to answer your !triggers, give them a few minutes.
[19:23] <TJ-> melodie: your fault! It has "nomodeset" on the kernel command-line which is preventing the driver from doing its job
[19:23] <melodie> TJ- I'll brb
[19:23] <melodie> TJ- ok, let me remove it and reboot
[19:24] <TJ-> melodie: so the 'fbdev' driver claimed that GPU, and it only has 640x480
[19:24] <melodie> updating grub
[19:24] <melodie> now reboot
[19:25] <melodie> great, now I can see grub!
[19:25] <melodie> resolution looks much nicer!
[19:25] <melodie> fluffy3
[19:25] <melodie> sorry XD
[19:25] <TJ-> melodie: xrandr should be good too now
[19:27] <melodie> TJ- as a matter of fact : it deserves a picture! I'll make one now and put it somewhere to show you
[19:28] <asdew> tomreyn and TJ-: Doesn't seem like my laptop has connected. I'm snooping the packets with tcpdump and I can only see who-has packets and replies to those and all the IPs requested there are of devices I recognize not to be the laptop
[19:30] <tomreyn> asdew: so maybe it gets to the point where it activates the NIC but not the point where it does the DHCP
[19:31] <TJ-> asdew: is there some reason you cannot use the laptop's local console to check?
[19:40] <melodie> TJ- https://framapic.org/MxNCfMmc8vib/qlJ8zQkGZkXr.jpg
[19:40] <melodie> ok it's a bit blurry
[19:40] <melodie> not the best videoprojector, however it will have to do, due to the restriction of monies -_-
[19:40] <TJ-> melodie: :)
[19:40] <TJ-> melodie: at least its working
[19:41] <phastagigi> hi
[19:42] <melodie> TJ- thanks to you. Thanks a lot lot lot!!! :D
[19:43] <OerHeks> !cookie | TJ-
[19:44] <phastagigi> hi
[19:44] <TJ-> !pizza | TJ- :p
[19:44] <phastagigi> hi
[19:45] <asdew> TJ-: The display doesn't work and I have no external display with which to test
[19:46] <marina_> Oi
[19:46] <howdyyall> hey all, I am trying to create my first .service.  I know I am breaking a lot of rules here; but it is a home computer.  I already have ubuntu login as my local account (not root).  Is there a way to start a .service basically after all the login stuff has completed?  My service just starts a couple VMs in VMWare WS Pro.  So, I really just want to teach it to start during autologin and shutdown VMs nicely at reboot/shutdown.  I am 
[19:47] <melodie> asdew you need to try also with other ram modules. that has happened to me with a machine from a client just 2 days ago, nothing else was wrong
[19:48] <phastagigi> hi all
[19:49] <asdew> melodie: I don't think I have any compatible RAM modules except the one in the laptop. Would a good check be checking if the behavior of the computer changes without any RAM changes?
[19:49] <tomreyn> :) the behaviour without any RAM would certainly change, so no
[19:50] <asdew> tomreyn: But if the RAM module is defective, shouldn't the behavior be the same as without any RAM installed?
[19:50] <TJ-> howdyyall: sounds like you want a --user service, see "man systemd.unit" for where tp place user service unit files
[19:51] <TJ-> asdew: you have another PC though? do you have a USB flash key you can deploy?
[19:51] <tomreyn> asdew: only if it was fully defective, but much more commonly only parts of it will fail.
[19:52] <TJ-> asdew: You could add a very simple GRUB config to the USB so it boots and plays a tune so you can tell if it gets as far as the boot loader at least
[19:52] <JonelethIrenicus> i started a huge zip process and am not sure if it is progressing
[19:52] <tomreyn> that's assuming it has a beeper?
[19:52] <JonelethIrenicus> how can i know while it is running?
[19:52] <JonelethIrenicus> any way?
[19:52] <JonelethIrenicus> or did the process freeze?
[19:52] <TJ-> asdew: if that works, you can have it boot a custom initialramfs with a static-defined IP address, and starts the dropbear ssh server
[19:53] <asdew> TJ-: I can edit the GRUB config, what do I need to change?
[19:53] <TJ-> tomreyn: true, but most do I think
[19:54] <TJ-> asdew: actually, a better idea, does the laptop have a serial port?
[19:55] <asdew> TJ-: no serial port
[19:57] <howdyyall> TJ: thanks, I will look into it
[19:58] <TJ-> asdew: for GRUB to play the Close Encounters 5 tones, /etc/default/grub = "GRUB_INIT_TUNE="480 900 2 1000 2 800 2 400 2 600 3"   "
[19:58] <melodie>  asdew you can check the RAM using memtest, ie in Ultimate Boot CD : https://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[19:59] <melodie> any version of memtest should do, if the computer is recent, a recent version (there are 2 or 3 methinks)
[19:59] <TJ-> asdew: in /boot/grub/grub.cfg that is just " play 480 900 2 1000 2 800 2 400 2 600 3  "
[19:59] <asdew> TJ-: Where's the /etc directory? Can't find it on the liveCD
[20:00] <asdew> Whoops
[20:00] <asdew> Read that wrong
[20:00] <Ragnaro7> tomreyn: hi, i have the problem again, this was before the cracsh https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zaT2vzaprsnylzxvEvKCYeKz7LWjKeK3/view?usp=sharing
[20:00] <Ragnaro7> and this when I restart the pc https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jG-tCJVVQuKh2USG9-zrkgg1frNjxiWS/view?usp=sharing
[20:00] <ChetManly> So I used the mini.iso and installed ubuntu and it used my wifi to install which was cool but now I'm in the DE and there is no connectivity at all. So I went into /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and changed managed to true but that didnt work. So I tried to add loopback in /etc/network_interfaces but it says ifupdown had bee replaced by netplan
[20:00] <asdew> TJ-: Do I just add that to the top of the file?
[20:00] <ChetManly> what the heck?
[20:01] <entropygain> hello I am trying to install Ubuntu 19.04 from the .iso image on a raw disk and get this error:
[20:01] <entropygain> TypeError: __new__() missing 1 required positional argument: 'host_adapter'
[20:01] <entropygain> sounds like an error in the python script but how is it working for others?
[20:03] <asdew> TJ-: I'm unable to mount the partition on my USB stick as read-write, mount says that the device is write-protected
[20:04] <tomreyn> Ragnaro7: so that's *somehow* related to the i915 kernel module (intel graphics driver). if you can post a full log after a clean boot this may help:  journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:06] <tomreyn> ChetManly: mini.iso installs with ubuntu-server defaults, which means it uses netplan / systemd-networkd by default, i'd think.
[20:06] <tomreyn> !releasenotes | ChetManly
[20:06] <tomreyn> oh right, ubottu is gone
[20:07] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Network_configuration
[20:07] <sentiment> TJ-: ata 3-6 devices?
[20:09] <TJ-> asdew: I'm not sure where it is in my config, but it can go anywhere "play ..."
[20:10] <TJ-> asdew: I just tested a diagnostic USB I have which does that, in a VM, to check it works. QEMU has a PC Speaker emulation:  e.g. qemu-system-x86_64 -name USB -m 1G -soundhw pcspk -drive file=/dev/sdc,format=raw
[20:11] <TJ-> sentiment: they show up as failing soft resets in your dmesg
[20:12] <TJ-> asdew: just checked; the "play ..." is near the top of /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:14] <Gosset> hi, does it make sense to install Ubuntu on a 1GB SSD ?
[20:14] <asdew> TJ-: Roger. I can't mount the liveUSB partition though due the device being "write protected"
[20:14] <compdoc> Gosset, sure, if you need the space
[20:14] <compdoc> they are cheap now
[20:14] <Gosset> yes
[20:15] <Gosset> but how do I do the partitions
[20:15] <Gosset> *make
[20:15] <compdoc> let ubuntu do that for you
[20:15] <Gosset> ohps ok
[20:15] <Gosset> I'm to install Ubuntu Mate
[20:15] <compdoc> I use that too, for remote desktop
[20:15] <Gosset> but the LTS version has support until /21
[20:16] <Gosset> then what
[20:16] <Gosset> reinstall /  ?
[20:16] <compdoc> you could clone
[20:16] <TJ-> asdew: you can also configure GRUB to use the network, which might help depending on how you make use of that functionality. See https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/Network.html
[20:16] <Gosset> clone /home ?
[20:17] <melodie> Gosset then, as root: (with sudo) : "do-release-upgrade"
[20:17] <Tuor> What audio codec should I use, if I want to burn a CD for my old car (year 2000)? IIRC not every CD player can read mp3. And which programm would you recommand for CD burning? (or is there one preinstalled on ubuntu 19.04?)
[20:17] <melodie> you do that after a full update and a reboot
[20:17] <Gosset> I knew that melodie thanks
[20:17] <melodie> Gosset so what's the problem?
[20:17] <compdoc> the current drive to the new, then expand the partition. or install from scratch is always good to do
[20:17] <Gosset> I'd like a distro with more long term support
[20:18] <Gosset> longer support
[20:18] <compdoc> LTS is nice
[20:18] <melodie> Gosset Archlinux, or Sabayon
[20:18] <melodie> never reinstall
[20:18] <Gosset> 3/5 years is too short
[20:18] <TJ-> Tuor: do you want to write a CD-Audio, or a CD-ROM with audio files on ?
[20:18] <Gosset> very non userfriendly
[20:18] <Gosset> archlinux?
[20:18] <Gosset> xD
[20:18] <compdoc> how long is debian supported?
[20:19] <melodie> Gosset not true, among the best docs and community support : as good as the Ubuntu
[20:19] <Gosset> Archlinux? well, I'll investigate
[20:19] <melodie> compdoc everything Debian is old, with old packages. do they even have ppa packages now?
[20:19] <melodie> Gosset you might want to try Sabayon as well
[20:20] <compdoc> debian is a great os
[20:20] <Gosset> gentoo?
[20:20] <ChetManly> tomreyn: so its not an 18.04 generic thing
[20:20] <melodie> Gosset based on Gentoo, but comes with binary packages, a great team, the packages are 15 days behind Gentoo (for stability)
[20:20] <OerHeks> guys, keep support to ubuntu
[20:20] <melodie> and they have UI package managers
[20:21] <Gosset> so the key concept here is rolling release?
[20:21] <OerHeks> move distro watch to ##linux,  thanks
[20:21] <Gosset> ok sorry OerHeks
[20:21] <melodie> OerHeks Gosset wants longer LTS... -_-
[20:21] <tomreyn> ChetManly: ubuntu desktop uses network manager by default.
[20:21] <compdoc> debian is only support 5 years, so nm
[20:21] <OerHeks> ubuntu offers lts 5 years + 5 years paid
[20:21] <asdew> TJ-: I'll try with the PC speaker first. How do I mount the liveUSB partition as rw though, as when I try to mount it as rw it gets mounted as ro because the device is "write-protected"?
[20:22]  * OerHeks wonders who needs more than 3 years
[20:22] <TJ-> asdew: I have no idea, did you write-protect the USB device?
[20:22] <melodie> OerHeks I didn't know that. How much do the extra 5 years cost, and how old are the packages in the repo at that point?
[20:22] <OerHeks> asdew, ubuntu iso is RO only, you can make a persitent part
[20:22] <OerHeks> or install it on a 2nd usb
[20:24] <OerHeks> melodie, i don't know pricing, contact canonical for that, and package age.. yes, old, but with security fixes
[20:24] <Gosset> OerHeks, I'm writing from Ubuntu 12.04
[20:24] <TJ-> asdew: As I said originally, write a custom GRUB bootloader to a USB, not try to edit the LiveISO :)
[20:24] <compdoc> wow, I thought it was the actual root. Ive nver met him
[20:24] <melodie> OerHeks I get it, but at that point I'd suppose Debian can be as good, as well as CentOS/Redhat...
[20:24] <Gosset> I fell in love with this version
[20:25] <asdew> TJ-: I have no idea how to do that
[20:25] <OerHeks> Gosset, 12.04 is EOL, no support
[20:25] <TJ-> asdew: do you have a free, spare, USB flash device?
[20:25] <Gosset> yes, I know
[20:25] <asdew> TJ-: Sadly I don't
[20:25] <Gosset> it's not my fault Ubuntu stopped giving support
[20:27] <Gosset> but what are the best practices in terms of upgrading Ubuntu?
[20:27] <OerHeks> reinstall, as the next LTS 14.04 is EOL too
[20:27] <Gosset> upgrade only the root partition?
[20:28] <Gosset> resintall
[20:29] <Gosset> you lose lots of configurations (desktop, window manager, etc.)
[20:30] <OerHeks> no, you loose them
[20:30] <OerHeks> anyway, too much changes over those years, and no direct upgrade path.
[20:31] <OerHeks> goodluck!
[20:31] <asdew> TJ-: I guess the easiest option for me now would be putting some other distro liveCD on the USB stick and modifying the GRUB of that
[20:32] <melodie> gn
[20:32] <Tuor> tjsimmons, audio cd.
[20:34] <tomreyn> asdew: if you have another computer, the easiest option is probably to (fully) install ubuntu to a usb stick, customize and test this installation so it boots with a fixed ip address and brings up a netconsole and ssh server, then boot this laptop off it.
[20:40] <engintr> hello
[20:40] <Tuor> brb, have to reboot (updates)
[20:40] <_MRX_> world
[20:40] <engintr> :)
[20:43] <plongshot> Hi, I have ubuntu 18.04 desktop and a remote server with 18.04 server.  When I ssh into my servcer my terminal window keeps freezing and I don't know why. After a couple minutes it won't respond and I have to close the window and connect again in a new one.  Is there anything I can do?
[20:44] <plongshot> servcer\server
[20:45] <plongshot> I'm using gnome terminal 3.28.2
[20:46] <compdoc> plongshot, I seem to remember problems with dns options in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[20:46] <engintr> Is it possible to boot ubuntu from windows boot manager?
[20:46] <compdoc> been a long time since Ive seen that problem
[20:48] <plongshot> compdoc: ty I will look throught there.   I also found this (sounds identical to my problem):  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1095263/ssh-terminal-freezes-when-left-idle
[20:49] <plongshot> Gonna read through it
[20:49] <compdoc> good idea
[20:49] <tomreyn> plongshot: maybe also run   mtr   against the target for a while, see whether the route is stable and whether you have packet loss - could be a network issue.
[20:50] <tomreyn> ssh -4 vs -6 may help work around such issues (temporarily)
[20:51] <plongshot> Wowwww
[20:52] <plongshot> The only answer in that post ( with zero votes )  is a script the dude wrote.
[20:52] <plongshot> Scary
[20:52] <plongshot> tomreyn: Are you referring to versions of ssh?
[20:52] <tomreyn> plongshot: no, versions of IP
[20:53] <plongshot> or IPv4 vs IPv6?
[20:53] <plongshot> right
[20:53] <plongshot> thx
[20:58] <_KaszpiR_> try ssh with keepalive
[21:01] <Apachez> how do I verify the number of bits the display is currently using in ubuntu 19.04 ?
[21:01] <Apachez> like if its 16, 24 or 32 bit graphics currently on the desktop
[21:02] <ohjk>  i added the ukuu repo but get no results when i try to install.  im using ubuntu budgie 19.04.  any one have an idea why?
[21:03] <plongshot> This   https://askubuntu.com/questions/124699/why-does-gnome-terminal-freeze-when-an-ssh-session-gets-disconnected   post shows " The session will eventually time out and disconnect; this will happen faster if you configure ServerAliveInterval and ServerAliveCountMax in ~/.ssh/config. To force an immediate disconnect, "   So is it possible to use a value of 0 (zero) or 'false' with ServerAliveInterval and/or ServerAliveCountMax ?
[21:03] <plongshot> In other words set them to have no limit / no timeout?
[21:04] <OerHeks> Apachez, xwininfo -root | grep Depth:
[21:05] <zulumika> Hi all.  First time ubuntu (18.04) user here.  I'm looking for a step by step procedure to fix the trackpad issue on Lenovo x1 carbon.  I have found many posts out there but none that explains all the steps.  Thanks.
[21:06] <plongshot> https://patrickmn.com/aside/how-to-keep-alive-ssh-sessions/  <--  Still relevant 9 years later? Or are things with ssh different now?
[21:11] <ChetManly> how do I list the actual device name of the ethenet card again? not eth0 but the name you would use to load whatever module to the kernel to make it work
[21:12] <ChetManly> eg. enp0s3
[21:13] <plongshot> Is the following informatoin still accurate 8 years later??  I believe it may solve my problem if it is but I don't want to implement something that would break things if it's no longer the right approach.
[21:13] <plongshot> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3026/what-options-serveraliveinterval-and-clientaliveinterval-in-sshd-config-exac
[21:13] <plongshot> ?
[21:17] <Bashing-om> ChetManly: ` ip link ls ' is one way.
[21:35] <tomreyn> plongshot: the ssh_config(5) !man page would tell
[21:38] <plongshot> tomreyn: thx man I ended up there somehow anyway  :)
[21:41] <ChetManly> Bashing-om: that just says eth0
[21:43] <ChetManly> need to show the anme like this https://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/linux/ubuntu-how-tos/netplan-how-to-configure-static-ip-address-in-ubuntu-18-04-using-netplan.html
[21:44] <ChetManly>  ethernets:
[21:44] <ChetManly>                 enp0s3:
[21:44] <ChetManly>                         dhcp4: no
[21:44] <teward> !pastebin | ChetManly
[21:44] <teward> oh the bot is dead
[21:45] <teward> use a pastebin for multiline pastes, ChetManly.  https://paste.ubuntu.com/ for example
[21:47] <ChetManly> its a broadcom card but always show up as eth0
[21:47] <ChetManly> and thats just a link to the actual card right?
[21:48] <plongshot> Is there any way to make there be a blank line above every command line?  (ie: username@hostnam~/$: )
[21:49] <tomreyn> if the interface name is eth0 on a current ubuntu release, then, for some reason, https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ is not in effect
[21:50] <rud0lf> i ordered a new cpu which has virtualization instruction set.. will i need to reinstall/reconfigure/enable something in ubuntu for better performance? hardware newbie here, i've heard some monitoring apps may benefit from VT-x
[21:50] <tomreyn> ChetManly: ^  some people apply workarounds to get the old naming scheme, maybe you're one of them? also, some drivers may not support it.
[21:55] <tomreyn> rud0lf: you may need to set something on the mainboard firmware configuration, but not usually in ubuntu, no.
[21:56] <rud0lf> tomreyn: thanks for the answer
[21:57] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[21:59] <tomreyn> rud0lf: actually, thinking more about this - in case you're still running an ubuntu i386 (intel 32-bit) variant so far, this would be yet another good reason to install a 64-bit ubuntu.
[22:05] <^DEMOSS^> hello
[22:07] <ChetManly> tomreyn: well im just rying to get the network card to work with netplan still ... I have the wifi working but not ethernet
[22:07] <Franknog> ^DEMOSS^: hello~
[22:08] <^DEMOSS^> which team can cyclically display information or constantly show the result. For example df- m
[22:08] <^DEMOSS^> witch comand
[22:09] <^DEMOSS^> i can't remember it
[22:12] <midyro> Hey guys, what's the keyboard layout called for a keyboard which has a pipe/backslash (| \) key between the shift key and the z key? English Us, euro on 5 comes the closest except it interprets that key between z and shift as <> instead of \|
[22:14] <_KaszpiR_> ^DEMOSS^ watch -n df -m
[22:14] <_KaszpiR_> *watch -n 1 df -m
[22:16] <tomreyn> ChetManly: if it's eth0 for ip l, it's eth0 for netplan, too
[22:19] <tomreyn> midyro: the ubuntu installers can help you identify a keyboard layout by typing a couple characters. you can run it in a VM.
[22:19] <ChetManly> tomreyn: keeps saying indentation is wrong
[22:19] <tomreyn> ChetManly: then it probably is
[22:21] <ChetManly> its weird because it has my wifi ssid and password in clear plain text too
[22:21] <midyro> ChetManly it says it's us international, from the logitech website (im using k120) that is correct, but it won't interpret the pipe/backslash key correctly
[22:22] <sere_> im trying to use plex media server with my external ntfs drive but i cant get plex to see it.. FSTAB https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RrwPyt4x3N/
[22:23] <sere_> it is a permission issue im sure of it
[22:25] <p0wder> do you have ntfs-3g installed?
[22:26] <sere_> Yes ntfs-3g is already the newest version (1:2017.3.23-2ubuntu0.18.04.2).
[22:27] <sere_> I can mount and access the drive just fine its only a problem with plex
[22:27] <jcotton> does plex run as another user?
[22:27] <sere_> jcotton: no
[22:28] <sere_> i fixed this issue before by changing fstab mount settings but i installed over and forget them
[22:28] <midyro> figured it out, english intl with altgr dead keys
[22:28] <midyro> thanks
[22:28] <p0wder> maybe its permissions with the directory you are mounting it to?
[22:28] <p0wder> i dont know much about plex
[22:29] <tomreyn> ChetManly: yaml files are a bit picky. you can use https://onlineyamltools.com/prettify-yaml to have the indentation fixed. this page does not seem to send your yaml elsewhere.
[22:29] <tomreyn> there is also "yamllint" you can install on ubuntu
[22:29] <p0wder> maybe make a  plex dir to mount it to in ~/
[22:30] <tomreyn> sere_: try to read or write a file, as the user plex operates as, in one of the subdirectories of a mount point.
[22:30] <ChetManly> tomreyn: thank you but I gotta head to work now will try later
[22:30] <ChetManly> ty
[22:30] <tomreyn> yw
[22:32] <sere_> tomreyn: yea it rw just fine. how do i check if plex's user settings or mounted as another group
[22:32] <p0wder> id plex
[22:33] <tomreyn> sere_: it's configuration, the process list, strace (-u)
[22:35] <sere_> id plex : uid=113(plex) gid=124(plex) groups=124(plex),44(video)
[22:37] <sere_> i believe i just found my old fstab that worked
[22:37] <sere_> fstab settings : ntfs-3g	 fmask=000,dmask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[22:38] <leonardus> why is bs=4M common in guides where dd is used?
[22:39] <tomreyn> sere_: sure, if you allow anything to everyone, it'll just magically work
[22:39] <tomreyn> leonardus: because working ith larger blocks is faster.
[22:39] <tomreyn> *with
[22:39] <sere_> tomreyn: is that what I would be doing with that last command?
[22:39] <leonardus> tomreyn: is there any particular reason 4M is the "sweet spot"? if larger=faster, wouldn't 8M, 16M, etc be even better?
[22:41] <tomreyn> leonardus: i'd have to look it up, too, now. i guess it's a matter of how much RAM you have available and how many blocks can be read from the source storage and transferred over the bus and wirtten to the target storage in a single operation.
[22:43] <tomreyn> sere_: fmask=000 and dmask=000 specify the file and directory umask the file system is mounted with,
[22:43] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/44542/what-is-umask-and-how-does-it-work
[22:43] <sere_> tomreyn: thank you
[22:44] <JonelethIrenicus> I need to make a bash script that checks if a ppa is added
[22:44] <JonelethIrenicus> any pointers?
[22:44] <tomreyn> sere_: 777 would be the most restrictive (nobody can do anything), 000 is the least restrictive (anyone can do anything).
[22:45] <tomreyn> sere_: so if you're used to chmod already, then this is using the reverse.
[22:47] <sere_> tomreyn: oh ok. In the past I just 000 everything and never really learned or knew what i really was doing.. I need to do some research it seems like
[22:48] <sere_> tomreyn:  Is it dangerous to use 000 if I am the only one that uses this computer and at home.
[22:48] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: you may want to    grep SOMEREGEX /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list}   or work with     apt-cache policy     - consider aksing in #bash , too
[22:48] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: okay thanks
[22:48] <entropygain> ubuntu 18 server installation does not give option for disk encryuption am I doing this wrong?
[22:49] <tomreyn> sere_: if you don't run any software you don't / can't fully trust, no.
[22:51] <tomreyn> entropygain: Ubuntu version numbers are: YY.MM (YY=release year,MM=release month). Each year sees two releases, so just specifying YY is imprecise. See also https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[22:51] <entropygain> I remember the pink ubuntu 18 installation which allowed me to do a guided setup with encryption before but the Ubuntu 18.04 / Ubuntu 18.10 installation .iso does not give me that option
[22:51] <entropygain> I ran both .iso's 18.04 and 18.10
[22:51] <entropygain> Server version
[22:52] <tomreyn> entropygain: there's #ubuntu-server for server questions, but to cut this short: encryption is not supported by the server-*live*-installer, use the alternative installer.
[22:52] <entropygain> it gives me an option for it to set up LVM
[22:52] <entropygain> thank you so much
[22:52] <sere_> tomreyn: oh ok. I am going to try to figure this out without setting it to 000. thanks for the help
[22:53] <entropygain> btw while ppl are reading I tried to use the Ubuntu 19.04 .iso and got this:
[22:53] <entropygain> TypeError: __new__() missing 1 required positional argument: 'host_adapter'
[22:53] <entropygain> is this a known issue?
[22:56] <tomreyn> entropygain: if it's not liste don the bug tracke,r then it is not.
[22:56] <tomreyn> i.e. https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity + https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subiquity
[22:57] <sere_> tomreyn:  what if I used : chown -R plex:plex /media/d
[22:57] <entropygain> tomreyn: ty again
[22:58] <tomreyn> entropygain: you're welcome, but please keep in mind the right place to get help with ubuntu server is #ubuntu-server
[22:59] <entropygain> indeed will keep in mind
[22:59] <tomreyn> sere_: since this is an ntfs, it probably won't persist, may not even apply.
[23:00] <sere_> tomreyn: ah oh ok. I found that on plex's support site
[23:01] <tomreyn> sere_: actually for the /media/d directory it would make sense, just not for anything below that, since ntfs doesn't have a concept of linux file system access control lists
[23:02] <sere_> tomreyn: oh I see. I guess I will give that a shot then
[23:03] <sere_> tomreyn: thanks alot
[23:03] <RandomGuyOnIrc> When I do an apt-get update, I get this error: rr:7 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful-updates Release 404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.23 80]
[23:03] <RandomGuyOnIrc> Does anyone know how I can fix it?
[23:04] <tomreyn> RandomGuyOnIrc: artful is the codename for ubuntu 17.10, an ubuntu release which reached end of life early last year
[23:04] <guiverc> RandomGuyOnIrc, artful = 17.10 (2017.October release with 9 months supported life) - it's EOL & thus not there
[23:05] <tomreyn> RandomGuyOnIrc: so backup and do a fresh install
[23:05] <guiverc> RandomGuyOnIrc, you should have release-upgraded to 18.04 pre-EOL.  Use a LTS release if you need longer life  (archive gets moved to old-releases post-EOL)
[23:06] <RandomGuyOnIrc> Thanks guys
[23:08] <guiverc> RandomGuyOnIrc, if you manually change archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases (removing mirror, no country mirror for old-releases) you could release-upgrade; but re-install (something else, no format) is quicker
[23:09] <tomreyn> also safer, cleaner
[23:09] <RandomGuyOnIrc> thanks
[23:10] <RandomGuyOnIrc> guiverc: thanks
[23:10] <Firefishe> What is the correct syntax for installing a .deb file using dpkg:  It's a library that is not included in my current release, but I need it for a particular application to function, so I may need to force it.  I forget the syntax.
[23:11] <jeremy31> Firefishe: sudo dpkg -i <file>.deb
[23:11] <jcotton> dpkg -i dev
[23:11] <jcotton> *deb
[23:11] <guiverc> :)   ps: by country mirror I mean the 'us.' part
[23:12] <Firefishe> jcotton:  Thanks, it's been a while.
[23:12] <tomreyn> Firefishe: apt can also do it, and will also resolve the dependencies. but then, being a foreign package, you might not even want that to happen. but apt will still try to do it.
[23:13] <Firefishe> tomreyn: Let me clarify.  I'm installing a nautical chart app called PolarView.  I get a `can't find libpng12.so.0' error (not exact), so I need that library.  I have the .deb, but I can't get it to install.
[23:14] <Firefishe> tomreyn: The sad thing is I could do this five years ago. ;-)
[23:14] <sere_> Firefishe:  does it have any dependencies?
[23:14] <tomreyn> Firefishe: be aware that installing foreign packages can break the apt dependency resolver, preventing your system from receiving important updates, preventing you from installing certain or all packages.
[23:15] <Firefishe> tomreyn: I've been a gnu/linux user for a long time.  Sometimes you have to 'break' things to make other things work.  Unless you can suggest a workaround, I need that library.
[23:15] <calcul0n> it's very unlikely that libpng12 is not in your distro
[23:15] <Firefishe> 18.04 Bionic Beaver uses libpng16
[23:16] <Firefishe> PolarView is compiled for libpng12
[23:16] <tomreyn> Firefishe: rebuild (or have rebuilt) this PolarView software to (work with and) depend on the libraries your system provides (or have them statically compiled and packaged)
[23:17] <rwp> Firefishe, You might see: https://askubuntu.com/questions/840257/e-package-libpng12-0-has-no-installation-candidate-ubuntu-16-10-gnome
[23:20] <tomreyn> Firefishe: you might also want to review those red boxes on http://libpng.org/pub/png/libpng.html
[23:20] <tomreyn> libpng12 = based on libpng 1.2.x
[23:21] <Firefishe> rwp:  That was one of my first original google searches.  I downloaded the .deb, but there's something I'm missing in my original head knowledge.  Will do on the red boxes.
[23:23] <Firefishe> rwp: I saw the bug, but this concerns a specific use for a particular app.  Is the libpng12 library affected?
[23:26] <sere_> Firefishe: http://opennauticalchart.org/ might be of some interest
[23:27] <Firefishe> sere_: I appreciate that, but PolarView is something I've used before.  It's interface is unique.  I just need to get libpng12.so.0 on my box.
[23:28] <sere_> Firefishe: oh ok
[23:30] <rwp> Firefishe, Two additional options. 1) Pull the source and compile it yourself for install. 2) Use a chroot to install the previous system where everything worked and run it from the chroot.
[23:31] <sere_> Firefishe: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/05/fix-libpng12-0-missing-in-ubuntu-1804.html
[23:32] <sere_> Firefishe: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/libpng12-0/download
[23:39] <tomreyn> Firefishe: installing ubuntu 16.04 LTS is an option. it receives security support for (a bit less than) 2 more years, comes with libpng12, libssl 1.0.2g, which might be old enough to not upset the application when it downloads maps, gps data or similar.
[23:40] <tomreyn> you should also conteact the developers, though, since they need to work on their linux releases very soon.
[23:44] <monkeystance> ok so I downloaded snap from my package manager which may or may not be apt
[23:44] <monkeystance> what can I do with it?
[23:45] <leftyfb> monkeystance: sorry, but we only support Ubuntu here
[23:46] <leftyfb> monkeystance: if you want snap support, go to #snappy
[23:46] <monkeystance> thanks
[23:47] <leftyfb> monkeystance: please stop asking for help/support here if you're not running Ubuntu.
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[23:54] <Firefishe> tomreyn: Thanks for the suggestions.  I was making supper.  I'll consider it, but a complete re-install is (*groan*) not on my to-do list of late. ;-)  I've run into this problem with the app before, I just need to remember what I did.,
[23:55] <sere_> Firefishe: did you check out that repo?
[23:55] <tomreyn> Firefishe: understandable. a VM or chroot would be another option.
[23:57] <Firefishe> sere_: That's the .deb file I can't seem to install.
[23:58] <Firefishe> tomreyn: I've never had to use chroot (and VM isn't practical on this old box) for PolarView in all the time I've used it.  It's one of those stickler little nidbits of information that was used to set things up once, then forgotten.  I've forgotten it about three times. ;-)