[10:26] <studio-user116> ji there anyone can help me, i installed Ubuntustudio dingo and there is no way to get sound out of my Scarlett soundcard any idea why?
[17:24] <Guest74375> Hi all. I'm for all intents and purposes a brand new Linux user. I have a very little bit of experience using OpenSuse for CD and DVD printing only simply because the Epson printers I was using have better support through the CUPS drivers, but really, side from that, I'm 100% noob. Can anyone suggest where I can start reading?
[17:28] <Guest74375> I'm not sure this is the Gnome 2 desktop, or what . . . and I'm not sure what other packages are installed aside from the "Studio Specific" A/V stuff. I'm comfortable on the command line, so really, learning basic Linux syntax as it relates to whatever Kubuntu Studio expects would be most helpful.
[18:03] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: Are you using the default Ubuntu Studio? If so, that's Xfce. There's no such thing as "Kubuntu Studio".
[18:23] <m_ad[m]> Gnome 2 doesn't even really exist anymore.
[18:25] <Guest74375> Kubuntu Studio isn't the terminal program, it's an official Kubuntu release, however - the newsst LTS version being Kubuntu Studio 18 (codename: Bionic Beaver). Xfce is what I couldn't recall.
[18:28] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: Again, Kubuntu Studio is not a thing. Ubuntu Studio is. Kubuntu implies the KDE Plasma desktop, and if you made "Kubuntu Studio" by installing Ubuntu Studio's packages, that still means you're running Kubuntu, not Kubuntu Studio since there's no such thing.
[18:29] <Guest74375> As I said, I'm comfortable on the command line, having used computers since 1980, and MS DOS since Dos 2.1, though Dos 3.3 / (Compaq Dos) 3.31 was where I really started digging in. It's just the fact that there are different terminals with different commands that is tripping me up some. Ie Bash vs ???
[18:29] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: I'm trying to direct you to the proper channel as your issue may not be Ubuntu Studio-specific and there may be others able to walk you through this.
[18:31] <Guest74375> Yeah, I'm in a sort of odd spot, but then again, with so many continuing developments in Linux, it seems it can be sort of like jumpoing onto a moving freight train regardless of one's experience with other non-Unix-like OSes.. :)
[18:33] <Guest74375> I guess oine good question would be, how much of what applies to "plain" Ubuntu distros applies to Ubuntu Studio?
[18:34] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: Right, the thing is, out of all of the Ubuntu flavors, Ubuntu Studio has the lowest amount of contributors. We're consistently in the single-digits. Are you running Ubuntu Studio or Kubuntu? I understand you've got 18.04 (you mentioned bionic), but we have yet to dertermine desktop environment.
[18:34] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: So, how did you install? Did you download and install Kubuntu or Ubuntu Studio?
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: As for your last question, nearly all of it. We don't use any repositories outside of Ubuntu, but for 18.04, again, assuming you're using Ubuntu Studio packages, we do require the backports PPA for support.
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-backports
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> Also, for future reference...
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm
[18:36] <Guest74375> I see there was some misunderstanding from someone above who apparent;ly thought thbis channel was specific to Kubuntu, not Ubuntu Studio, so perhaps there's a problem with pointers in either the Ubuntu Studio page here[18:38] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: This is the Ubuntu Studio support channel, not Kubuntu. If you have Kubuntu, the IRC support is in #kubuntu.
[18:38] <m_ad[m]> #kubuntu is for kubuntu specific support
[18:38] <m_ad[m]> ha, you beat me to it
[18:38] <Guest74375> Ahhhhh yes. Thanks for the heads up on the need to install the back-ports packages. I am proud to say that I DID find that, and did in fact install that from terminal this morning.
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: Still, you said Kubuntu, and you're not answering my questions. Did you install Kubuntu or Ubuntu Studio when you installed the OS?
[18:39] <m_ad[m]> you work confusing Guest74375 (IRC)
[18:40] <veremitz> such n00b very ubuntu :D
[18:40] <m_ad[m]> or better, you're confusing us.
[18:41] <Guest74375> I had never said Kubuntu until you did, and then I said it becauser I wasn't thinking. No, I installed Ubuntu Studio 18.04 and the Ubuntu Studio Backports PPA.
[18:42] <Guest74375> I have no launcher, which seems weird.
 I'm not sure this is the Gnome 2 desktop, or what . . . and I'm not sure what other packages are installed aside from the "Studio Specific" A/V stuff. I'm comfortable on the command line, so really, learning basic Linux syntax as it relates to whatever Kubuntu Studio expects would be most helpful. (emphasis mine)
[18:43] <Guest74375> Well, I should maybe rephrase that. It's not a side-bar launcher. I do have the equivilant of the Win 7 "Start Orb" in the upper left corner. It took me a good while to realize that! lolol
[18:44] <veremitz> that sounds like unity ..
[18:44] <veremitz> does it populate a big side-bar if you click said orb?
[18:45] <Guest74375> :oX lol- My bad. That was definately not what I meant!
[18:45] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: Okay, that means you're using the Xfce desktop. We do not use the default Ubuntu desktop (Gnome 3 as of 17.10) or Unity (10.10 (?)-17.04).
[18:46] <veremitz> is it like a mouse? that's xfce .. if its an orb ..
[18:46] <veremitz> or do you customize it?
[18:47] <Guest74375> Not really a big sidebar so to speak. It looks and behaves quite alot like Win 7's "Start," so yes, that would be the launcher I guess.
[18:47] <Eickmeyer> veremitz: We customize it. That should be the Ubuntu Studio logo in the upper-left-hand corner by default.
[18:47] <veremitz> gotcha, thanks
[18:48] <Guest74375> Nope. It's Xfce. It's also defaulting to the Xfce Terminal Emulator too, which I'd like to learn more about as well.
[18:48] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: I'd add the backports, but if what you're experincing is a printer issue, it sounds like you need the cups Epson driver.
[18:48] <m_ad[m]> take a screenshot and post that to make sure which DE we talk about
[18:48] <Guest74375> No no..... I used to use Open Suse a long time ago for the better Epson R200 support.
[18:49] <Guest74375> I made mention of that because some of the commands needed for that I *THINK* are differnety than what is used in Ubuntu.
[18:50] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: As a former Opensuse user myself, it's not that hard of a transition. Instead of "zypper in" use "apt install"
[18:50] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: I'd recommend installing Synaptic (sudo apt install synaptic) and using that to search for the epson drivers.
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: I believe the package you're looking for is called printer-driver-escpr
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> !info printer-driver-escpr bionic
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: ^
[18:54] <Guest74375> Like bash commands, maybe? Like I say, it was perhaps 5 or 6 years ago that I stopped using that, so it's all kinda foggy. I didn't really do enough with it to really get a strong understanding of the command line, permissions, partitioning and stuff like that. I only learned what I absolutely had to as I was still okay with Win 7, however . . .
[18:55] <Guest74375> When I was pressed to move from XP to 7, I'd decided then that once 7 was done, Linux would be my next OS. No more M$.
[18:55] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: if you can do that, installing packages shouldn't be complicated at all.
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: To get the printer driver, type "sudo apt install printer-driver-escpr" into the terminal.
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> Then CUPS should be able to find and add the printer.
[18:57] <Guest74375> I really threw a monkey wrench in the works when I mentioned that the CUPS driver was the sole reason I had run Linux before. :/
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: Please try to stay on topic. This is a support channel.
[18:58] <Guest74375> I don't even have any of those R200's or 220's hooked up right now. lol.
[18:58] <Guest74375> So sorry. The topic is, where do I find the manuals?
[18:58] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: Manuals for what?
[18:59] <OerHeks> man <package>
[19:00] <Guest74375> Using the core system tools for the kernel and other system utilities (Such as the terminal emulator) included in Studio 18
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm Guest74375
[19:01] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm | Guest74375
[19:01] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: There should be help files for each individual program. There is no all-inclusive manual.
[19:02] <OerHeks> there is too many hardware, to write 1 universal manual
[19:06] <Guest74375> Ah. I think I have found something that will help. https://docs.xfce.org/start
[19:08] <Guest74375> I hope I have not caused any of you to feel frustrated. I just don't really have the termanology to ask the right questions - yet.
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> Guest74375: It's a learning proccess. Best of luck.
[19:10] <OerHeks> Guest74375, at least you try, have fun!
[19:12] <georgios> is this the place to  ask questions about how ubuntu studio is structrured?
[19:12] <Guest74375> It's not luck Eickmeyer. It's just work, and patience. :) Thank you and everyone else for having patience with me! I AM having fun, and I am excited to be getting free of Microsoft OSes, and I am very excited that there have been so many great developments with Linux and lots of great tools developed that work really well for Linux users.
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> georgios: That depends. Can you define "structure"?
[19:16] <georgios> Eickmeyer: questions like, how different is the underlying system from ubuntu, if the gui is gnome or kde or something else based, if i can choose to have installed only the audio goodies... there... 3 questions! heh
[19:17] <georgios> i need a standard desktop with a well set up music environment
[19:18] <georgios> i know how to manage gnu/linux pretty well, i come from archlinux. i can adapt and i know what i need
[19:18] <Eickmeyer> georgios: Okay. 1) It's Ubuntu with a different default configuration. 2) The desktop environment is Xfce, but the Ubuntu Studio tools can be installed on any official flavor of Ubuntu. 3) At installation, you can choose whatever packages out of the default "install everything" you choose.
[19:18] <georgios> nice
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer | georgios: for installing on top of other Ubuntu flavors
[19:20] <georgios> i am also curious how differently the audio subsystem is set up. is jack dominant or pulseaudio?
[19:20] <georgios> thanks for informing me and for the link
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> georgios: PulseAudio by default, but starting Jack has the option of adding a PulseAudio bridge, which makes PulseAudio act as a device inside of Jack.
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-controls | georgios: It's done using this
[19:23] <Eickmeyer> Near-future work includes multiple PulseAudio bridges for custom routing multiple non-Jack-aware programs.
[19:24] <georgios> Eickmeyer: correct me if i am wrong, but i have always wondered why jack has to be "for pro audio and not for generic use, for your desktop experience please refer to pa"
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> georgios: because it requries special code to use it, as opposed to PulseAudio.
[19:25] <georgios> i dont think we should distiguish those roles.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> Applicaitons must be jack-aware to use Jack.
[19:26] <georgios> so you mean application support is more complicated
[19:26] <georgios> ok
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> Yes.
[19:26] <OerHeks> lowlatency kernel wants PA/jack
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> OerHeks: Lowlatency kernel can use either/or or both.
[19:27] <georgios> is there the RT_PREEMT option?
[19:27] <Eickmeyer> OerHeks: There's literally no distinction between the lowlatency kernel and the generic kernel in Ubuntu save one compile flag.
[19:27] <Eickmeyer> georgios: That's the flag enabled during compilation I was just explaining to OerHeks.
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> georgios: RT_PREEMPT is enabled in the lowlatency kernel installed in Ubuntu Studio by default.
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks can correct me if I'm wrong.
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> !lowlatency
[19:44] <bippsie> Hi guys, i just installed ubuntu studio on my laptop, but on startup i get like spammed with windows for display settings
[19:44] <bippsie> can anyone help?
[19:46] <OerHeks> install drivers perhaps? sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[19:47] <OerHeks> or check what driver is loaded now:  lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[20:33] <Guest74375> When signing up for a Ubuntu One account so that I can participate in the forums, it is asking for my full name. Must I provide my first and last name?
[20:36] <georgios> ok it seems that i can start with ubuntu lts cli and start adding. some kde stuff and the ubuntu studio backports. does this mix sound ok?
[20:36] <OerHeks> Guest74375, whatever name you want to go by, just use no silly name
[20:37] <Guest74375> Thank you OerHeks
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> georgios: Sure.
[20:37] <OerHeks> georgios, KDE can be heavy in use, that is why the standared is xfce
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> OerHeks: They're talkiing about KDS apps, most likely.
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> OerHeks: Also, KDE Plasma is not that heavy anymore. In fact, OvenWerks recommends it quite a bit.
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> In some configurations, it actually beats Xfce.
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> The only reason Xfce is the default now is because Unity wasn't a good fit at the time.
[20:38] <OerHeks> hmm me goes testing again
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> georgios: KDE apps are good. I use them quite a bit.
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> OerHeks: It's also one of the reasons we made ubuntustudio-installer able to install on other desktops. Xfce is the default only because it's lightweight in terms of disk usage while being functional.
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> Rather, we kept it as default for that reason.
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> And it wasn't worth switching.
[20:42] <OerHeks> Eickmeyer, i understand that part, i will test KDE again
[20:45] <georgios> when i said some kde stuff i meant plasma for sure and a few application. afterwards i dont mind adding tons of gtk/gnome/xfce applications. i just try to make things uniform
[20:47] <georgios> does ubuntustudio-installer play with systemd any?
[20:48] <georgios> for example i like the idea of starting jackd as a system service
[20:53] <Eickmeyer> georgios: If you want the Plasma desktop environment with the benefits of Ubuntu Studio, I'd suggest starting with Kubuntu and adding ubuntustudio-installer.
[20:53] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installler | georgios
[20:53] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer | georgios
[21:00] <georgios> Eickmeyer: i think i should struggle a bit to setup what i really need. kde bundles usually add a ""load of applications that are often pre-beta software, no?
[21:01] <Eickmeyer> georgios: Not at all.
[21:01] <georgios> ok smells like virtualbox time!
[21:02] <OerHeks> fud, that sounds an opinion from a blog
[21:02] <OerHeks> :-D
[21:02] <OerHeks> good thing there is choice, and often a theme fixes bugs for users
[21:02] <georgios> i am mincrobloggin through irc! :D :P
[21:03] <georgios> *microblogging
[21:03] <georgios> whatever :/