[00:01] <Franknog> monty_hall: sorry, I think I misunderstood. NFS4 is in Ubuntu 18.04
[00:01] <icrbaako> hi guys drwxrwsr-x what chmod is that? is it 777 or 755?
[00:02] <icrbaako> or none
[00:03] <Franknog> 775 is rwxrwxr-x
[00:06] <gbellinoz> icrbaako: the "s" in your example would be setting a bit in the first digit of 0775...
[00:07] <gbellinoz> see http://permissions-calculator.org/
[00:07] <gbellinoz> I think yours would be 2775
[00:11] <icrbaako> gbellinoz: thanks
[00:11] <gbellinoz> It always throws me that the 's' takes the place of the 'x', but it makes sense, because it means WHEN the file gets executed by the user or group, then it will take on their id. So 's' is inclusive of the x permission.
[00:12] <gbellinoz> try this:
[00:12] <gbellinoz> touch bs
[00:12] <gbellinoz> chmod 277 bs
[00:12] <gbellinoz> ls -l bs
[00:12] <gbellinoz> that'll show you that you're matching.
[00:12] <gbellinoz> wait.
[00:14] <gbellinoz> meant chmod 2775 bs
[00:26] <JonelethIrenicus> so apt is giving me a warning when using it in a script
[00:26] <JonelethIrenicus> can i disable it?
[00:26] <JonelethIrenicus> in my script?
[00:27] <quadrat> JonelethIrenicus: apt-get is normally used for scripts, apt is rather a user-frontend
[00:27] <JonelethIrenicus> quadrat: i see
[00:29] <JonelethIrenicus> quadrathoch2: how can i do apt -qq list $my_packages_list
[00:29] <JonelethIrenicus> with apt-get
[00:30] <Ben64> JonelethIrenicus: what's the goal
[00:30] <quadrathoch2>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER quadrat cxuafnyxlbje
[00:30] <JonelethIrenicus> Ben64: I am getting a list of packages that are "installed"
[00:31] <Bashing-om> quadrathoch2: Tine for a password change ^^ :(
[00:31] <Ben64> JonelethIrenicus: "dpkg -l | grep ^ii" ??
[00:31] <JonelethIrenicus> Ben64: im feeding it a list and checking if they are install
[00:31] <JonelethIrenicus> Ben64: nice
[00:31] <quadrat> Bashing-om:  well it's not a password :P
[00:33] <Ben64> JonelethIrenicus: dpkg -s $package | grep Status
[00:33] <JonelethIrenicus> Ben64: thanks man
[00:33] <Ben64> np, hope it works well for you
[00:35] <gbellinoz> Bashing-om: how does that happen? Every time I type /msg I'm afraid that's going to happen and I won't be able to tell!
[00:36] <quadrat> gbellinoz: honestly I think that maybe there was a blank space in front of the /
[00:36] <qwerttutyu> There will be at 19.04 or 19.10 kernel 5.1?
[00:36] <Ben64> easy way to avoid is by using the network tab or whatever to do /msg nickserv
[00:37] <quadrat> Ben64: sadly polari as an app sucks
[00:37] <Ben64> !info linux-image-generic
[00:37] <Bashing-om> gbellinoz: When sensitve activities are conducted .. do so in the status window - private there :)
[00:37] <Ben64> bionic?
[00:38] <Ben64> !info linux-image-generic disco
[00:38] <Ben64> qwerttutyu: well 19.04 has 5.0
[00:40] <qwerttutyu> i know 19.04 have 5.0.0.15, but there will be an updating of kernel to version 5.1?
[00:41] <quadrat> qwerttutyu: nope, only the next version of ubuntu gets the newer kernels. but you could update it yourself
[00:43] <Ben64> the exception is LTS, which can get kernels from later ubuntu versions
[00:44] <qwerttutyu> in 19.10 = kernel 5.1. I downloaded ubuntu-mate 19.10 and i see in livecd kernel  5.0.0-13
[00:44] <qwerttutyu> in 19.10 = kernel 5.1?
[00:45] <qwerttutyu> or kerhel 5.1 only in ubuntu 20?
[00:47] <quadrat> qwerttutyu: there will be 5.1 at some point in 19.10 but it will probably take some time still (and the installer could have a different kernel than the installed system
[00:50] <tytan64> why netplan
[00:52] <tbrown> I need help installing an old gimp on Ubuntu 19.04 Disco
[00:52] <tbrown> The New Gimp I do not like it
[00:53] <Alabalistic> which version do you want to install
[00:54] <tbrown> gimp 2.7.5
[00:55] <tbrown> Alabalistic : Gimp 2.7.5
[00:55] <Alabalistic> sudo apt install gimp=2.7.5
[00:55] <Alabalistic> try this
[00:56] <tbrown> Alabalistic : E: Version '2.7' for 'gimp' was not found
[00:57] <tbrown> Alabalistic : will I tryed 2.7.5 to but I said mabey 2.7 would work
[01:00] <tytan64> just curious, what is the main difference between 2.7 and 2.10?
[01:23] <tatertotz> see release notes and or change logs
[01:36] <qwebirc64715> hi, i had a bad stick of memory, an update was applied, and my udev now wont mount things and i get a lot of messages about udevadm triggers not working because of something notnworking.  i tried reinstalling udev and stuff and rebuilt initrd but nothing makes it work.
[01:38] <qwebirc64715> i now have a new stick of memory, and memtest passes..  i just need to get udev to install mybstuff.. i habe to manually modprobe andnstuff to get online.. and gnome display manager has annerrorn where it keeps trying even though the display driver isnt installed and so i habe to bootnin recovery every time.  misspellings thanks to gboard.
[01:46] <OneM_Industries> So..
[01:47] <OneM_Industries> Everything onscreen is fuzzy.
[01:50] <gbellinoz> So, system details? I've seen that, but a decade ago... solved by new fonts, proper Xorg resolution and/or telling the monitor to calibrate/align itself, iirc.
[01:51] <OneM_Industries> Nevermind, reboot fixed it.
[01:55] <jcotton> could also be DPI issues
[02:01] <qwebirc59324> guys just wondering what is this sabnzbd thing on the Server Snaps when im installing ubuntu
[02:02] <Ben64> its a newsgroup grabber thing
[03:23] <SethT> anybody know how i can switch from blas to blis? i have installed blis
[04:27] <TikityTik> Hi all, I want to do my partition table from scratch, so far i have 550 MB EFI and 16 GB swap, how can i get subvolumes that are encrypted?
[04:27] <TikityTik> what filesystem does LVM do?
[04:29] <jcotton> 16 GB seems pretty extreme for swapspace
[04:29] <TikityTik> well i have 8 GB of ram, but my HDD is 1 TB and I honestly will never use up all the space
[04:29] <TikityTik> probably at most 100 GB
[04:29] <jcotton> you can use a swap file instead
[04:30] <jcotton> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_do_I_add_a_swap_file.3F
[04:30] <TikityTik> nah, i want a dedicated swap partition
[04:31] <qwebirc12588> got disconnected after asking about a borked udev problem
[04:41] <[rg]> mskh package is in universal on 16.04, however I can't find it?
[04:41] <[rg]> am i crazy?
[04:41] <sammm> why is the 'hosts' entry in /etc/nsswitch.conf disabled by default (at least in xenial it is), whats the purpose of it?
[04:44] <[rg]> yeah false alarm, ignore me
[04:46] <AndroUser> Hi all
[05:06] <uio> /mode $me +x
[05:08] <gimpnixon> Good evening, I had a couple questions about what to use to change themes, I recently stripped down a few things on my system and am only using compiz with xfce4 panel and thunar. I was able to change my terminal colours in setting just fine but thunar remains a blinding bright white. I read that this can be changed through gtk 2.0 css or through gtkrc but am not having any luck. and am not able to
[05:08] <gimpnixon> change the theme through gnome-tweaks or ubuntu settings. I know it's a little tricky since i'm not using default system any sugestions would be appreciated
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> !themes | gimpnixon start here
[05:13] <gimpnixon> ok thank you
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> gimpnixon: to learn what experts use, i reccomend deviantart linux desktop screenshots & unixporn
[05:15] <gimpnixon> lotuspsychje: unixporn is a channel?
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> gimpnixon: no, its a community sharing linux screenshots, this way you can learn what users use on xubuntu for example
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> gimpnixon: alternate you could also talk to the #xubuntu users
[05:16] <gimpnixon> Ok great, so I will just search for those and should come accross some forums and they will probably mention what they are using, great, thanks a bunch
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> gimpnixon: you dont really need forums, clicking on the users screenshot, will mostly share all the specs and tools used to become the eyecandy
[05:23] <gimpnixon> lotuspsychje: however the information is shared is ok
[05:30] <gimpnixon> lotuspsychje: thanks again, this seems to be sending me in the right direction, basically am looking for alternatives to Emerald theme switcher, gnome/unity-tweaks and this seems like it will get me there with some searching, appreciate your time
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> good luck gimpnixon
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> gimpnixon: on ubuntu-desktop themes can be easy switched from gnome-tweak-tool but on xubuntu, i dont really know one
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> !info gtk-theme-switch | gimpnixon maybe this?
[05:44] <gimpnixon> ubottu: thank you, just downloaded that and will give it a try
[05:44] <gimpnixon> Could have fooled me ubottu, you ole hoot
[05:50] <plongshot> I keep doing more searches and I'm not finding anything.  Is it possible to create  a  DROP  rule using the ufw command?  I know the files can be edited manually but it lookes like a lot of changes to make.
[05:50] <plongshot> thanks
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> plongshot: for firewall configuration you can try #netfilter
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> !firewall | plongshot see also
[05:51] <Ben64> plongshot: "deny"
[05:52] <plongshot> Ben64: Yes but DENY does not behave the same as DROP
[05:52] <plongshot> Drop simply gives no response to the client and lets it time out wondering what happend.
[05:54] <Ben64> yep, that's what deny does
[06:23] <gimpnixon> Hye everyone, just a quick update, what seems to work for me and the only thing that has seemed to work with my setup is lxappearance in the ubuntu repos. I know its kind of a special case but thought i would update you, thanks again for your help
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> gimpnixon: tnx for the feedback gimpnixon
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> gimpnixon: does that work on xubuntu too?
[06:26] <gimpnixon> I dont know as i'm not using xubuntu, i'm jsut using a (self)messed up version of Ubuntu 19.04
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> gimpnixon: ok tnx
[06:27] <gimpnixon> I stripped out every bit of gnome because i was having some issues. and just installed compiz and xfce4 panel and use startx just to get something going for now
[06:27] <gimpnixon> np, thank you again, really helped point me where i needed to go
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> welcome gimpnixon
[06:28] <gimpnixon> lotuspsychje: really saving my eyes! cheers
[06:31] <blackflow> gimpnixon: how did you deal with device permissions, if you're using startx directly?
[06:33] <gimpnixon> haven't seemed to have any trouble there, not sure specifically which devices you're refering. not saying that I wont run into some issues down the road but have been using startx only for a very long time as i only ever boot into console mode on every system.
[06:36] <gimpnixon> blackflow: but everything except for the blinding white background seemed to be my only issue so far, which was solved with lxappearance, other than that daily use and work flow have been semless
[06:41] <plongshot> https://hashmysql.net/wiki/
[06:41] <plongshot> sorry wrong paste  :S
[06:41] <plongshot> Can mysqld be purged ( $ sudo apt purge mysqld ) from my server without breaking anything?
[07:06] <tuxinator> good morning everybody
[07:06] <tuxinator> strange thing, umounted /home but fsck.ext4 -f /dev/sd(x)1 says device is busy :D
[07:07] <tuxinator> looks like a monday morning issues :D
[07:08] <blackflow> tuxinator: resolved itself automagically?
[07:08] <EriC^^> you sure sd(x)1 is home?
[07:12] <marc_> hey there
[07:19]  * hello Mama just killed a man
[07:56] <TikityTik> my suspend and resume is broken for 19.04
[07:57] <TikityTik> for my dell insipiron 5765
[07:57] <TikityTik> inspiron*
[07:58] <TikityTik> apparently my mouse can movie the nothing else responds...
[07:59] <TikityTik> can move*
[08:03] <blackflow> TikityTik: can you, for example Ctrl-Alt-F2  to switch to tty2?
[08:03] <tuxinator> sdx4 yes
[08:03] <tuxinator> doing a reboot
[08:03] <tuxinator> and checking :D
[08:03] <TikityTik> blackflow: no
[08:06] <blackflow> !prefix | tuxinator
[08:08] <blackflow> TikityTik: I'd guess that your hardware is having bad support for the S3 state. usually the GPU is the culprit, which GPU do you have?
[08:08] <TikityTik> amd r5 stony
[08:08] <TikityTik> crappy laptop gpu
[08:08] <blackflow> TikityTik: also you could look for clues in the journal, short time before suspend, and short time after resume
[08:10] <majom> hi
[08:11] <majom> I have configured googe authenticator authentication for ssh on 18.04 following https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-multi-factor-authentication-for-ssh-on-ubuntu-16-04
[08:12] <majom> The verification code is seemingly accepted and then asked for again. My configuration and logs are at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yQZs2XDzn9/
[08:13] <blackflow> majom: #ubuntu-server is more suitable for this
[08:20] <mcm_> how can i securely download the ubuntu cd images?
[08:21] <mcm_> all iso, checksum, and gpg signature are delivered from unsecure site
[08:21] <mcm_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/19.04/SHA256SUMS.gpg
[08:24] <blackflow> mcm_: perhaps this helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto
[08:25] <majom> Hi, I have set up googe authenticator authentication for ssh following this guide: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-multi-factor-authentication-for-ssh-on-ubuntu-16-04. The problem is that according to the logs the google authentication is passes but I still receive a seond prompt to enter my verification code. My logs and outputs are pasted here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yQZs2XDzn9/
[08:25] <blackflow> mcm_: this too:  https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu?_ga=2.44434084.1288539561.1558340717-721476129.1557414336#0
[08:26] <qwebirc96092> Hi
[08:26] <blackflow> majom: you might have more luck asking in #ubuntu-server
[08:26] <majom> sorry, ment to post this in #server
[08:29] <qwebirc96092> In recent events with America's ban on Huawei (read android ban on Huawei) wouldn't be interesting if Ubuntu phone dep. took action and proposed a solution to Huawei and their insane r&d budget (+-15b.)? (this is a question i want to ask a Ubuntu phone rep but I'm neither a marketing nor technical issue person)
[08:30] <ryuo> qwebirc96092: erm. ubuntu phone is pretty much dead. what do you hope to achieve?
[08:31] <qwebirc96092> i just imagine it being a project huawei would like since its fully operational
[08:31] <qwebirc96092> just
[08:31] <qwebirc96092> dead
[08:31] <qwebirc96092> you know
[08:31] <blackflow> this discussion is more suitable for #ubuntu-discuss
[08:31] <qwebirc96092> (im pretty new to the forums
[08:31] <qwebirc96092> )
[08:32] <qwebirc96092> could you tell me what way to go
[08:32] <ryuo> that's not a forum. it's another channel here.
[08:32] <blackflow> qwebirc96092: just /join #ubuntu-discuss
[08:32] <qwebirc96092> ohh
[08:32] <qwebirc96092> thanks lads
[08:33] <qwebirc96092> hmh
[08:33] <qwebirc96092> do i need a real acc to join that channel?
[08:34] <blackflow> oh yeah, you do.
[08:34] <qwebirc96092> ah well
[08:34] <qwebirc96092> rip
[08:41] <chmd> Hi there ! I would like to open a file with a script I wrote in firefox. The problem is, I don't know how to tell firefox to do that
[08:42] <tuxinator> can't get it :D
[08:42] <qwebirc62052> hi
[08:42] <chmd> When I select "open with" > "Other..." the list says "no application for application/octet-stream"
[08:43] <tuxinator> ubottu: sorry my monday syndrom, never posting without prefix normally and on irc since 15 years :D
[08:43] <chmd> I would like to be able to give firefox the path to my script and tell it to open all files with the extension .foo with my script
[08:44] <chmd> how do I do that? it looks like it is an ubuntu-specific problem
[08:45] <tuxinator> any idea for my umount issue? fuser -mk /dev/sda4 does not mention anything and umount /home worked
[08:45] <chmd> at least reddit says that https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/4jb9eb/how_to_choose_how_firefox_should_open_already/
[08:46] <blackflow> tuxinator: grep the output of `mount` for any additional (bind) mounts to that device
[08:46] <blackflow> chmd: firefox is a browser. how did you "write a script" in it? You can save whole (html) pages (and their dependencies) from FF, and that's all you can do.
[08:47] <Lachezar> Hey all. Sporting a 19.04. Is there any alternative to the systemd-resolver? It seems to lock up after a few hours on my laptop. Reconnecting to the WiFi seems to help.
[08:47] <blackflow> but if that was a text you edited in a form somewhere and then saved the page? that text is not saved.
[08:47] <tuxinator> blackflow: i have a bind mount which is also unmounted
[08:47] <qwebirc62052> is it possible to expand disk size in ubuntu/VM if full from main laptop automatically if needed?
[08:48] <tuxinator> blackflow: result https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CF2CvkcHBq/
[08:48] <blackflow> tuxinator: something is still touching that partition the. check with `lsof` if anything is still holding open file descriptors on filesystems you unmounted. though, you wouldn't be able to umount if so, unless with -l
[08:48] <Lachezar> qwebirc62052: That would depend on the hypervisor and the disk image format being used. Some allow run-time resizing.
[08:48] <chmd> blackflow: I wrote a shell script to handle ".foo" files. I did *not* write it _in_ firefox, it is an entirely independent piece of code that I installed in ~/.local/bin. I want to tell firefox to open files .foo with this script
[08:48] <blackflow> tuxinator: then again, you mention fuser? is this a FUSE fs? that could change some things then
[08:49] <tuxinator> blackflow: i tried fuser and lsof
[08:49] <tuxinator> blackflow: no it is not a fuse fs
[08:49] <chmd> blackflow: the same way you can tell firefox to open .pdf files with evince, for example
[08:49] <qwebirc62052> Lachezar virtualbow allows that? Also problem seems to be IO read write issue, VM seems cannot handle it, but main laptop has 2core 8ram, how it cannot handle?
[08:50] <tuxinator> man fuser
[08:50] <tuxinator> blackflow: fuser has not at all something to do with fuse
[08:50] <Lachezar> chmd: You could open a .foo file and tell firefox to remember your choice.
[08:50] <tuxinator> blackflow: https://linux.die.net/man/1/fuser
[08:51] <blackflow> tuxinator: ah yeah, fuser is like lsof... I confuzzled.
[08:51] <tuxinator> is there a "man" bot in this channel?
[08:51] <Lachezar> qwebirc62052: VirtualBox IIRC has a format that can be extended on-the-fly.
[08:51] <chmd> Lachezar: how? firefox does not let me do that
[08:51] <tuxinator> blackflow: no problem, always tricky in the "big command world"
[08:51] <Lachezar> chmd: Really?
[08:52] <Lachezar> chmd: Does the file have proper Content-Type header from the server?
[08:52] <chmd> Lachezar: 10:42 < chmd> When I select "open with" > "Other..." the list says "no application for application/octet-stream"
[08:52] <Lachezar> chmd: If it's .foo, but "text/plain" or "text/html" it's not going to open those with an external program.
[08:52] <qwebirc62052> Lachezar you have link to download? I had a version of Virtualbox but in ubuntu installing i didnt see that option. Also, how to check the ulimit of the VM?
[08:52] <annoyed> Ok, can't boot. I am running Ubuntu mate 18.10 on an Acer an515-42, using Ubuntu's built in encryption. I am getting initramfs on boot on all installed kernels, running fsck against /Dev/sda* doesn't seem to do anything. Also the system has to have the grub settings edited to work around Acer's UEFI using the parameters of " acpi=noirq pci=noacpi ivrs_ioapic[4]=00:14.0 ivrs_ioapic[5]=00:00.2 ". Booting from a live USB my drive can
[08:52] <annoyed> be decrypted and the files check out, but I can't find the grub.cfg file where it should be so I don't have to manually re-enter the work around post kernel update that has me stuck here.
[08:53] <neure> hi
[08:53] <neure> how do I control CPU fan speed?
[08:53] <Lachezar> chmd: Make the server return something like x-application/foo-extension
[08:54] <blackflow> annoyed: "biult-in"? You mean you checked the encryption checkbox when you installed it? So that's LUKS encrypted root fs? With separate /boot ?
[08:54] <Lachezar> qwebirc62052: Nope. Create a new VM and check the options for the disk type.
[08:54] <annoyed> Blackflow yes
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> neure: in your bios you can control your fan speeds
[08:55] <qwebirc62052> Lachezar ok and what disk type I choose? Also do you know how to check the ulimit of the VM?
[08:56] <Lachezar> qwebirc62052: ulimit is per user, check "ulimit -a"
[08:56] <blackflow> annoyed: and the "initramfs on boot with all installed kernels" -- are you referring to the grub menu?
[08:57] <qwebirc62052> Lachezar ok I write ulimit -a in the terminal?
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> annoyed: can you try to F1 textboot, see where it bottlenecks?
[09:00] <mcm_> blackflow, thank you! these links are what i needed regarding the key id :-)
[09:00] <Lachezar> qwebirc62052: For the disk type: check this one https://superuser.com/questions/360517
[09:02] <qwebirc62052> Lachezar I did ulimit -a, many things appear where do i look?
[09:02] <blackflow> mcm_: you're welcome.
[09:02] <tuxinator> blackflow: now booting without /home in fstab at all, so if that doesn't work, it's really a monday issue :D
[09:03] <chmd> Lachezar: I solved this by creating .local/share/applications/foo-opener.desktop with the right MimeType=... line
[09:03] <blackflow> tuxinator: there's also another thing. you wanted to fsck the GPT partition, but....is there a layer between the filesystem and the partition? LVM? Encryption?
[09:03] <chmd> now firefox lets me choose my script
[09:04] <annoyed> Blackflow Yes, I have to hit e at the grub menu to manually re-enter the UEFI work around post reboot after a kernel update. see this for more detail https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/comment/619839/#Comment_619839
[09:05] <neure> lotuspsychje, I want an app for that instead
[09:05] <neure> not very handy to go to bios every time I want to make an adjustment
[09:05] <blackflow> annoyed: ah, sorry, I don't know much about EFI and problems specific to it.
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> neure: there's a snap for that now, you might need to config it first: snap find fancon
[09:07] <jeremy31> annoyed: can't you edit /etc/default/grub then make the changes and do sudo update-grub
[09:08] <qwebirc62052> Lachezar I read that but still dont see which disk type is better?
[09:10] <annoyed> Lotuspsyche Blackflow https://i.imgur.com/XKGoJtH.jpg Jeremy31 no, when I boot to live USB there is nothing there
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> annoyed: seems like you have issues with arrays ontop
[09:13] <annoyed> Lotuspsyche Blackflow  Jeremy31 but the grub.cfg file must exist, it appears as it should, sans UEFI work around from the grub menu. More pics coming
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> annoyed: you might wanna compare some steps from here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/567730/gave-up-waiting-for-root-device-ubuntu-vg-root-doesnt-exist
[09:15] <alive_> I've upgraded to 19.04 and notice that I cannot remove the menubar in gnome-terminal
[09:15] <alive_> What can I do?
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> alive: do you have the option in menu to remove it?
[09:17] <alive> No, it is gone
[09:17] <alive> If I go to preferences->general it's also gone from there
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> alive: do you have other menu items/categorys?
[09:18] <jeremy31> alive: what about right click in terminal?
[09:19] <alive> OK, in the right click I get "show menubar". The alt-menu shows if I enable it. But there's window decorations anyway on the terminal (didn't have those on 18.10)
[09:19] <blackflow> annoyed: you can't fsck LUKS containers. the probem you're having is that initramfs doesn't apparently autodetect that it has to unlock anything --- or does it? Did it ask the encryption passphrase?
[09:19] <alive> In 18.10, "show menubar" also removed windows decorations
[09:20] <blackflow> annoyed: unless it's something EFI specific (of which I have no idea how to help you), your problem sounds familiar. I think newer initramfs has dropped automated support for cryptsetup, so you'd have to install them manually. Not sure what the installer does, tho'.
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> alive: 18.10 will soonish go end of life, maybe think of your next step?
[09:22] <alive> Well I've already switched to 19.04  :P
[09:22] <alive> Anyway, I'll give terminator a go. Loved the gnome-terminal so far.
[09:22] <qwebirc62052> I have 160gb in apps/games section, but i cannot find which apps are to heavy to unistall? what can I do to find this apps?
[09:23] <tuxinator> blackflow: no there is no layer in between
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> !info baobab | qwebirc62052
[09:23] <tuxinator> blackflow: i wanted to fschk before converting filesystem to btrfs and now i just found out that for 18.04 btrfs-convert is broken, so i can forget the whole action :D
[09:24] <tuxinator> blackflow: so the issue is postponed :D
[09:25] <qwebirc62052> ubottu i meant in windows where i have the VM with ubuntu, what to give more GB to ubuntu
[09:25] <blackflow> tuxinator: btrfs is broken, period.
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc62052: windows questions goto ##windows please
[09:26] <blackflow> well it's not a windows question really
[09:26] <aneon> is there a different channel for Ubuntu Server?
[09:26] <blackflow> qwebirc62052: I wouldn't go below 20GB disk space, nor below 4GB RAM, if you want to use the GNOME desktop
[09:26] <blackflow> aneon: #ubuntu-server, yes
[09:26] <aneon> thanks
[09:27] <qwebirc62052> how to increase the ulimit -n fromt ther terminal?
[09:27] <annoyed-phone> Blackflow Jeremy31 lotuspsyche https://youtu.be/Nc0lALwvOoI
[09:28] <annoyed-phone> Sorry, I got disconnected for about 5
[09:28] <qwebirc62052> please, how to increase the ulimit -n fromt ther terminal? from 1024 to 2048
[09:29] <blackflow> qwebirc62052: you mean inside the Ubuntu VM?
[09:29] <aneon> ulimit -f <number>
[09:29] <qwebirc62052> blackflow yes
[09:30] <blackflow> annoyed-phone: looks like initramfs has no idea it has to unlock the rootfs. It never asked for passphrase?
[09:31] <annoyed-phone> Blackflow no, it has not, the video is the complete boot with quiet splash disabled and with the UEFI hack running, that's as far as it gets on all installed kernels
[09:35] <regdude> Hi! Does anyone know a tabbed terminal manager that also can save server address? I know GCM, but looking for alternatives
[09:38] <blackflow> annoyed-phone: not sure how to help you there then. Sounds as if the installer did not set up the initramfs properly. Again, unless this is something specific to EFI, the course of action I'd take is go back to the Live env, unlock and mount the rootfs and inspect the grub and initramfs setup. methinks it has something to do with recent initramfs not auto-installing cryptsetup support
[09:38] <varaindemian> just noticed how snappy gnome is now
[09:38] <varaindemian> ahve you guys noticed that?
[09:38] <varaindemian> have you*
[09:38] <blackflow> annoyed-phone: like this: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2410356
[09:38] <varaindemian> what caused this transformation?
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> varaindemian: #ubuntu-discuss please
[09:38] <blackflow> well it is a snap now.     badum-tss!
[09:39] <Lachezar> qwebirc62052: Fiddling with limits shoul donly be done if you know what you're doing. That said: man limits.conf
[09:39] <Lachezar> qwebirc62052: That response seems to name VMDK as the more robust variant.
[09:41] <Lachezar> chmd: Nice. Does it mean, that you changed mime-type for the .foo files? Are you opening those files locally? From file:/// URIs?
[09:41] <Kingsy> anyone in here using httpie?
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> Kingsy: we try to focus on ubuntu related issues, are you having issues regarding ubuntu?
[09:44] <Lachezar> *repeat** Is there any alternative to the systemd-resolver? It seems to lock up after a few hours on my laptop. Reconnecting to the WiFi seems to help.
[09:44] <qwebirc62052> Lachezar, a server is a computer in a physical center that you can rent and access via cloud with your laptop wih ssh?
[09:44] <Utnubu15> Hey there.
[09:44] <blackflow> Lachezar: I use Bind, there's also Ubnound and the dnsmasq that was used by default before resoved
[09:44] <blackflow> *Unbound
[09:45] <Utnubu15> Does anybody know how to save Ubuntu's settings onto a live USB? I know there is a method to make the live USB persistent storage, however I want to do that after the fact with the live USB already running. Is it possible?
[09:45] <Lachezar> blackflow: Yeah, dnsmasq worked great, I don't know if I can use it now that systemd-resolver is in place.
[09:46] <Utnubu15> ?
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> !patience | Utnubu15
[09:46] <Utnubu15> Sowie.
[09:47] <aneon> you guys should try cloudflare's new DoH, it is amazing
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> !ot | aneon
[09:47] <Lachezar> blackflow: I'm worried, that with the obnoxious-level coherence of the systemd installing anything that is an alternative to any part of it would break my system.
[09:48] <blackflow> Lachezar: sure you can. I disable resolved and use Bind. you just have to install dnsmasq and then set up /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf   dns=   setting to dnsmasq. The manpage has more info.
[09:48] <Lachezar> blackflow: Hm. Does dnsmasq require bind?
[09:48] <blackflow> Lachezar: in this case, systemd is not pushing it, Ubuntu is. you can run systemd process manager and init, with no resolved, just fine.
[09:48] <blackflow> Lachezar: it doesn't, dnsmasq is standalone resolver
[09:49] <blackflow> systemd-resolved is NOT though, it's a stub resolver. it requires a recursive (caching) resolver elsewhere.
[09:51]  * Lachezar is Restarting WiFi to see if DnsMasq works.
[09:51] <aneon> I suggested DoH (DNS over HTTPS) in context of dnsmasq & other stuff people discussed earlier
[09:52] <Lachezar> blackflow: Seems Network Manager keeps resolving via systemd-resolver
[09:52] <Lachezar> blackflow: Any pointer where to fix that?
[09:52] <blackflow> aneon: via CloudFlare? no thanks.
[09:53] <aneon> why trigger a bot over simple comment
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> aneon: this is not a chat, we keep things seperated for discussions
[09:54] <blackflow> Lachezar: you have to disable resolved.   https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/304050/how-to-avoid-conflicts-between-dnsmasq-and-systemd-resolved
[09:55] <chmd> Lachezar: if the extension you want to open is .foo, just associate the mime type application/x-foo to your program
[09:55] <blackflow> Lachezar: personally, I configure NM for dns=none, and then "mask" (as just "disable" won't work) the systemd-resolved.service (and stop it of course), and then I set a static file for /etc/resolv.conf with nameserver 127.0.0.1  . That way I have complete contorl.
[09:57] <Lachezar> blackflow: I need to have the DNS use different local suffix in different networks.
[09:58] <Lachezar> blackflow: ... provided by NetworkManager
[09:59] <blackflow> Lachezar: the NM's dns= setting in NetworkManager.conf defines which DNS service is used and configured via resolv.conf. You have to disable (actually mask it) systemd-resolved so that dnsmasq can take over port 53 on localhost.
[09:59] <blackflow> Lachezar: btw, good luck, I have to leave the office now, bbl.
[10:01] <Kingsy> lotuspsychje: ah sorry. No worries. No nothing specific
[10:05] <GamerGirl2770> So I just aquired a proper gaming desktop PC. Of course I will run some flavors of linux on it. But I also need Windows to play games without linux/steamOS support. There is a Windows 10 install on it. But it's not activated. There is also no licence on the pc according to the seller. Now I also have a laptop with a broken screen I was gifted by a friend. I took the screen of and slabbed linux mint on there and put it by me tv
[10:07] <GamerGirl2770> On the laptop is Windows 10 with licence. I am confident my friend didn't reuse the windows key or something. He is not a tech dude and he has forgotten the password. So I can't get in. Is it possible to exctract the key from the laptop and use it to activate the Windows on the new Desktop PC?
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> GamerGirl2770: hows this related to ubuntu?
[10:08] <GamerGirl2770> I need to get the key from the laptop through ubuntu (mint)?
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> !mint | GamerGirl2770
[10:09] <legreffier> There's a forgotten password button if he used a MS account (which is the low-tech, default, behavior)
[10:09] <GamerGirl2770> I am aware it's a different distro but very much based on Ubuntu. Also last time I got very nice help here. So I hoped people here could help me.
[10:10] <GamerGirl2770> No MS account I think. I set it up when he got it.
[10:10] <thsnr> GamerGirl2770: be warned that if the laptop has a windows oem license, then you are not allowed to use it on other hardware
[10:11] <legreffier> legit (legal) oem licenses = 2-5$ on ebay.
[10:11]  * Lachezar sees no light in the tunnel. DNSMASQ only works with systemd-resolved enabled !??!
[10:13] <qwebirc62052> I need a 1u rack wth ubuntu for a data center, which 1u rack you recommend?
[10:13] <GamerGirl2770> Yeah but I like not to buy it as I am very cheap. It would take me about 10 minutes at work to make 5 bucks. I still prefer to spend hours moving the licence from the laptop to the desktop.
[10:14] <GamerGirl2770> What if I connect some hardware from the laptop inside the desktop so it's still the same system in a way?
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> GamerGirl2770: this si really not the scope of this channel, see support in the channel that supports it
[10:15] <GamerGirl2770> What channel could I use? I didn't find a #windows channel?
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> GamerGirl2770: there is ##windows ##hardware #mint on spotnet
[10:16]  * Lachezar succeed!
[10:16] <Lachezar> blackflow: Thanks.
[10:17] <GamerGirl2770> mmmmm
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> GamerGirl2770: alternate if you install ubuntu on your pc, we can offer you support
[10:18] <GamerGirl2770> I have ubuntu on the pc.
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> GamerGirl2770: mint is not ubuntu, its a derivative based on ubuntu
[10:18] <GamerGirl2770> No I have mint on the laptop. I have Ubuntu on the desktop. \
[10:19] <pax_rhos> hello, what should I do about 'Additional Drivers' showing 'No additional drivers available' instead of showing proprietary ones?
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> GamerGirl2770: but your original question is not about your ubuntu desktop is it?
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> pax_rhos: wich driver are you looking for?
[10:19] <GamerGirl2770> No.
[10:20] <pax_rhos> 'Software & Updates' > 'Ubuntu Software' > 'Proprietary drivers for devices (restricted)' is checked
[10:20] <pax_rhos> lotuspsychje: nvidia
[10:20] <pax_rhos> I see I have nvidia 340 installed
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> pax_rhos: wich chipset do you have please
[10:20] <pax_rhos> lotuspsychje: please, remind me the command to check that
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> pax_rhos: sudo lshw -C video
[10:21] <pax_rhos> product: RV610 [Radeon HD 2400 PRO]
[10:21] <pax_rhos> WUT
[10:21] <pax_rhos> what the...
[10:22] <coz_> get rid of the nvidia driver,yes?
[10:23] <pax_rhos> TIL my GPU is not nvidia
[10:23] <Lachezar> pax_rhos: Dual GPU?
[10:25] <pax_rhos> well, intel built-in + looks like it is really an AMD
[10:27] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:28] <coz_> BluesKaj, hey
[10:28] <BluesKaj> hey coz_
[10:28] <coz_> ")
[10:35] <u0_a291> Hello
[10:35] <EriC^^> hello
[10:57] <qwebirc62052> hi how to change the ulimit -n in ubutun terminal to 2048?
[11:02] <OerHeks> qwebirc why do you need that?
[11:03] <tinloaf> What is meant by "Enablement Kernel" at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/MDS ?
[11:04] <tinloaf> It that the kernel version from which on the mitigations are enabled by default? And the mitigations are available starting from "Base Kernel"?
[11:04] <tinloaf> *Is
[11:04] <willksm> Yes tinloaf your understanding is correct.
[11:05] <willksm> However, you may need more than just the kernel upgrade to be fully mitigated.
[11:05] <tinloaf> Thanks. How do I enable the mitigations on my 16.04 LTS, which is still on linux-image-4.15.0-50-generic 4.15.0-50.54?
[11:05] <tinloaf> I know… I already have the updated microcode, and I'm thinking about Hyperthreading…
[11:05] <willksm> To check your system, read the contents of the /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/mds file. You must apply kernel updates and reboot if the file does not exist as that indicates that your kernel does not have mitigations in place for MDS.
[11:05] <OerHeks> tinloaf, that .54 kernel is fixed
[11:06] <qwebirc62052> hi how to change the ulimit -n in ubutun terminal to 2048?
[11:06] <tinloaf> OerHeks: but (as I speculated above) the mitigations are not enabled by default?
[11:06] <OerHeks> qwebirc why do you need that?
[11:06] <OerHeks> tinloaf, yes they are, by the kernel update + microcode
[11:06] <tinloaf> willksm: the file says "Mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable" - so, it's just disabling Hyperthreading that's missing?
[11:07] <willksm> Yes looks like it
[11:07] <tinloaf> Thanks. :)
[11:07] <tinloaf> (Also, thanks for that /sys/* feature - didn't know that)
[11:07] <EriC^^> qwebirc62052: are you writing some c program and need it?
[11:08] <willksm> tinloaf, np. If you disable HT then you should see '  Mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT disabled' which would mean you're "fully" mitigated
[11:09] <tinloaf> I wonder how many people will really disable SMT. I mean, that's about 40% of the overall performace in day-to-day use, so that really hurts.
[11:10] <OerHeks> tinloaf, it cripples intel, sure, but that is what is going on, meltdown and now there new vuln
[11:13] <yogg> hi
[11:15] <jalt> Hi, how can I check if my kernel (latest 16.04 LTS HWE: 4.15.0-50-generic #54~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP) has the mitigations=off kernel parameter backported?
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> !mds | jalt
[11:16] <OerHeks> jalt, yes it is
[11:16] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/MDS
[11:17] <yogg> I wan't to run an uwsgi application on ubuntu 18.04. This works fine, but I have an permission problem for the /run/uwsgi (/var/run/uwsgi) folder. This folder gets recreatet after every reboot, so a simple chmod/chown does not work. I can now write my own startup script, but at first I ask if there is maybe already an intended way to do this?
[11:19] <qwebirc62052> Eric^^ I have 1024 and VM crashed and someone told me to change the ulimit -n to 2048, can i do this in the terminal?
[11:20] <jalt> Thanks OerHeks, I'm aware that MDS mitigations were backported, but I am specifically looking for info on the mitigations=off parameter, so I don't have to keep track individually. How do you know/how to tell?
[11:21] <qwebirc62052> I have 1024 and VM crashed and someone told me to change the ulimit -n to 2048, can i do this in the terminal?
[11:22] <OerHeks> "IMPORTANT: Vulnerability mitigations should only be disabled in carefully controlled environments where all of the code being executed is known and trusted. " ...
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> jalt: your dmesg log will tell you about security issues too
[11:23] <OerHeks> if you use that, why keeping track of vuln ??
[11:23] <OerHeks> you disable this mds by that
[11:24] <jalt> because they are enabled by default, resulting in excessive overhead. need to track the new kernel paramters to disable them as they are discovered, which is what i want to avoid. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html
[11:25] <OerHeks> building a honeypot or something?
[11:25] <jalt> i am not looking for info on security issues, simply tracking if that specific feature was backported
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> jalt: you cant predict security flaws before they come out
[11:27] <jalt> you can, but i'm not trying to do that. i'm trying to reduce the maintenance burden by disabling mitigations by default, which is exctly what mitigations=off does and why it was introduced recently
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> jalt: is that ubuntu server you're on?
[11:29] <jalt> it's actually xubuntu, but it doesn't matter. the kernel is the same (see uname on my initial msg).
[11:32] <jalt> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.15.0-50.54 it does, problem solved
[11:33] <qwebirc44810> hi
[11:34] <qwebirc44810> can anyone help me with ssh login
[11:36] <willksm> what's the issue qwebirc44810?
[11:59] <makiba_> Hi Every One :)
[11:59] <martind_> Hello all, I want to remap some of my keyboard keys to different key combinations. For  example I want to make the COPY (Ctrl+C) to be mapped to Windows+C. How is this possible on Ubuntu?
[12:00] <popey_> martind_: you probably want xmodmap
[12:00] <EvilArcher> Hi, I'm trying to create a minimal netinstall ubuntu image into which I can ssh and do a headless install. I can get into the ssh part, but I have to go through "Select your location" screen. Is there a option I'm missing in my preseed file? https://gist.github.com/kristiandrucker/c3dc334a3d0c561c20ad09b112e6b6cd
[12:00] <martind_> popey_ I will ive t a try
[12:00] <Ool> isn't it possible with the keypboard settings app ?
[12:01] <martind_> Ool: I cannot really do that. I've tried.
[12:01] <habbasi> Hi, everyone. I'm having trouble with getting my Radeon VII up and running on Ubuntu 18.04. So far, I updated the VBIOS on the card and also installed the AMD pro drivers, seeing as the kernel drivers aren't in yet.
[12:01] <eagle> Hi what's the most light linux distrib for an old PC ?
[12:01] <habbasi> I'd like to avoid getting blobs...
[12:01] <habbasi> eagle: Probably Xubuntu.
[12:02] <eagle> @habbasi thanks
[12:02] <habbasi> 👍
[12:03] <eagle> For your problem have you got all update ?
[12:04] <habbasi> Yes, I have all the updates. :)
[12:05] <eagle> you're in hdmi or other ?
[12:05] <habbasi> I'm connected via DisplayPort.
[12:06] <eagle> Can you connect in hdmi ?
[12:06] <habbasi> I'm fairly sure it's a driver issue... :c
[12:06] <habbasi> Not what I'm connected with.
[12:07] <eagle> Ok do you have download in AMD website ?
[12:09] <habbasi> Yep, I downloaded from the website and installed from their instructions, but when I boot, I get a garbled screen for a second then everything is black.
[12:10] <eagle> Ok can you acces to your screen with the mother card ?
[12:11] <habbasi> Yes, it works fine in Ubuntu.
[12:11] <habbasi> I mean Windows.
[12:11] <habbasi> And it works fine with the nomodeset parameter IF I don't have the drivers installed.
[12:12] <habbasi> But then I get a really low resolution.
[12:12] <eagle> Can you go to setting and additionnals pilotes ?
[12:13] <habbasi> You mean additional drivers? There's nothing there for my GPU.
[12:14] <OerHeks>  Radeon VII , you should try Ubuntu 19.04, which should be working out-of-the-box given its use of Linux 5.0 and Mesa 19.0
[12:14] <OerHeks> habbasi, ^^
[12:14] <eagle> yes sorry i'm french so my interface is not the same. Have you install with apt
[12:14] <eagle> ?
[12:14] <cfhowlett> !fr
[12:15] <OerHeks> habbasi, or you might want !HWE
[12:15] <OerHeks> !hwe
[12:15] <OerHeks> too new graphics card
[12:16] <habbasi> OerHeks I really would... Is ROCm supported on 19.04? It isn't listed on the page. Which is why I'm hesitant...
[12:16] <toffe> Hello
[12:17] <toffe> Had a breakin at our office and my ubuntu machine is gone, is there some way to easily snatch screenshots from ssh when / if it comes online on our VPN?
[12:17] <toffe> (automatically starts vpn on boot)
[12:17] <toffe> not screenshots but camera shots
[12:17] <habbasi> Ah, it is...
[12:17] <OerHeks> habbasi, not sure .. https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm
[12:18] <TJ-> toffe: does it get a fixed IP address, if not you'd need to have some way of detecting its VPN had been established
[12:18] <toffe> TJ-: yeah :) it does so I have a script checking if it gets an ip
[12:18] <TJ-> toffe: grabbing the far-end public IP should be useful too
[12:18] <toffe> yep!
[12:18] <TJ-> toffe: what country are you in?
[12:18] <toffe> Norway
[12:19] <habbasi> Thanks, OerHeks and thanks for trying to help, eagle! :D
[12:19] <toffe> so getting a pretty good estimate if someone boots it locally
[12:19] <TJ-> toffe: might be worth talking ahead of time to your local police, so they're aware.That way, if you discover where the PC is/who has it, they'll be primed to react rather than you having to eexplain everything s l o w l y when time is of the essense
[12:20] <toffe> Yeah they're informed. They went into the building eariler today.. Big hole in the wall hehe.
[12:20] <toffe> They.. took pictures and sayd "bye"
[12:20] <toffe> stupid lazy ass cops
[12:20] <toffe>  said*
[12:21] <TJ-> toffe: well there's not much they can do is there? Prime their IT-aware people that you may get info on where the PC is and would they follow up on that info *immediately* if you pass it on
[12:21] <toffe> Seems like I need 3rd party sw to get a image
[12:22] <TJ-> toffe: does the PC have sshd active then, so you can get on it?
[12:22] <toffe> TJ- yeah :) even has my private public keys stored for faster access from home :P
[12:23] <toffe> So i've moved the private keys here now and are ready to execute a lot of.. problems ;D
[12:24] <TJ-> toffe: you may be able to screen-grab using a form of "DISPLAY=:0 some-Xorg-tool /tmp/screenshot.png"
[12:24] <OerHeks> i wonder who will use the machine online, unlikely scenario
[12:25] <popey_> It's more likely to be sold / pawned or sold online.
[12:25] <TJ-> OerHeks: if they just plug it into their network it'll connect; most burglars are silly that way!
[12:25] <toffe> OerHeks: small chance. Even small chance it is not formatted right away . But if they plug it in and try to boot it for fun or someone buys it and does it :)
[12:25] <toffe> But still its a laptop so most wont plugin etherent unfortunally
[12:25] <toffe> and wifi you need access to it to set
[12:27] <achen_> Hey guys when im trying to install ubu server 18.04 with raid, and i choose the software raid md option in the partition thing, it immideatly goes back to the language chooes options (first page) any idea why ?
[12:29] <TJ-> toffe: got great news for you: "xwd -display :0.0 -root -out /tmp/screendump.xwd" then pull the file to your local system using scp, then "xwud -in /tmp/screendump.xwd" :)
[12:31] <TJ-> toffe: you might want to prove that works over ssh beforehand
[12:32] <popey_> Probably easier to just use scrot. apt install scrot, export DISPLAY=:0.0 && scrot
[12:32] <popey_> oh, that's for screenshots and you want webcam?
[12:32] <TJ-> popey_: no apt-install required for xwd
[12:34] <TJ-> toffe: for webcam capture, " ffmpeg -f video4linux2 -s 640x480 -i /dev/video0 -ss 0:0:2 -frames 1 /tmp/out.jpg "
[12:35] <mra90> why the heck I can not scp files - getting "Permission denied (publickey,password)." even though password is OK
[12:36] <TJ-> mra90: obviously it isn't - are you connecting as the correct user?
[12:37] <mra90> TJ-: yes
[12:37] <mra90> root in this case
[12:37] <mra90> I am sure password is fine, in fact I have chnaged it a minute ago
[12:37] <aneon> you can find precise location from image exifdata
[12:40] <TJ-> aneon: webcam isn't going to add EXIF data and the PC is unlikely to have a GPS module
[12:41] <TJ-> mra90: are you able to 'ssh' to a remote shell as root@ ?
[12:43] <mra90> TJ-: I am not sure, how to check that?
[12:44] <aneon> TJ-: interesting
[12:45] <TJ-> mra90: "ssh -v root@yourhost"
[12:45] <cpcat> hi
[12:45] <toffe> thanks TJ- :)
[12:46] <cpcat> When I mount a samba share from ubuntu in /etc/fstab irregardless of the user logging in, the group's read bit isn't set when viewed at the server end.    (Linux client, mac os x server)
[12:46] <cpcat> But when I mount with mac clients it's read for both user and group.
[12:46] <mra90> TJ-: I fail at authentication stage
[12:47] <mra90> provide password and it refuses it
[12:47] <vmonteco> Hello!
[12:49] <vmonteco> I've set up an Ubuntu VM under a windows 10. I'd like to set up a compose key as well to enable accentued characters while keeping the qwerty layout. But setxkbmap -option compose:rctrl does not seem to take any effect. Is there a step I forgot? (I use i3-wm so I can't access the usual settings menu in my current desktop environment.)
[12:50] <analogical> why don't files show up on the desktop when I download them there?
[12:51] <cfhowlett> ... "there" ... analogical huh??
[12:51] <TJ-> analogical: if you're using Gnome, that functionality to show was removed from Nautilus
[12:51] <analogical> TJ-, you can't be serious?
[12:52] <cpcat> Is this because I'm mounting samba shares as root?
[12:55] <analogical> I want to show files on the desktop!
[12:56] <vmonteco> analogical: When you browse your desktop through a CLI, are you able to list the downloaded files?
[12:57] <tomreyn> analogical: which ubuntu version are you using there?
[12:57] <cfhowlett> TJ-= explain.  I'm on ubuntu 18.04 and downloaded a pdf to the desktop.  there it is ...
[12:57] <analogical> vmonteco, yes I am
[12:57] <analogical> tomreyn, 19.04 Gnome
[12:58] <tomreyn> analogical: on 19.04, the functionality of graphically interacting with files stored on the desktop is provided by a gnome extension, which is installed by default.
[12:59] <tomreyn> analogical: maybe you accidentially deactivated or uninstalled it?
[13:01] <analogical> I'm uninstalling Ubuntu. A distro that behaves like this in not worth using.
[13:02] <tomreyn> analogical: that's up to you, bou you'll see the same effect with any other distro that uses current gnome
[13:02] <tomreyn> since that's where this changed
[13:02] <cfhowlett> again: works perfectly fine on 18.04 LTS
[13:03] <tomreyn> the extension which ubuntu pushed for to be created to restore the desktop functionality is "gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons"
[13:04] <analogical> I guess there'll be no more Gnome in my future then. I'll probably stick to using Manjaro with XFCE since I've never liked Xubuntu.
[13:04] <cfhowlett> your box, your choice.
[13:05] <TJ-> analogical: that's a bit of an over-reaction. The functionality was taken out of Nautilus but it can be re-added via a shell extension. For the background read https://csorianognome.wordpress.com/2017/12/21/nautilus-desktop-plans/
[13:05] <analogical> nah it's Manjaro from now on
[13:07] <TJ-> there's a good technical summary in the issue tracker at https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/158
[13:09] <annoyed-phone> Ubuntu 18.10, using Ubuntu's built in encryption, can't get past initramfs at boot, apparently it doesn't know to ask for the decryption password. Full boot video. https://youtu.be/Nc0lALwvOoI
[13:13] <TJ-> annoyed-phone: are you at the initramfs shell now?
[13:14] <annoyed-phone> Tj- yes
[13:15] <TJ-> annoyed-phone: do you know which is the LUKS encrypted device? Use "blkid" to help identify it
[13:15] <TJ-> annoyed-phone: the check if this file exists: "ls -l /conf/conf.d/cryptroot"
[13:17] <TJ-> annoyed-phone: 'blkid' should show one device with  TYPE="crypto_LUKS"
[13:18] <annoyed-phone> Tj- https://i.imgur.com/8WfsJG7.jpg
[13:18] <TJ-> annoyed-phone: so /dev/sda3
[13:19] <TJ-> annoyed-phone: does the 'cryptroot' file exist?
[13:21] <stripe> hi all, ubuntu 18.04 is it possible to excite a shell script in ~/bin/ from the global search menu (instead of the default opening it in the text editor) cheers :)
[13:22] <stripe> *execute lol
[13:22] <TJ-> Anyone ideas on the root-cause of the various apt tools sometimes reporting similar to: "W: Unable to read /tmp/tmptzqgs3mx/apt.conf - RealFileExists (13: Permission denied)" (in this case add-apt-repository) ?
[13:22] <cpcat> Why is it when the mount point of a linux samba client creates a file, it only has -rw-------+ from the server's perspective?
[13:22] <OneM_Industries> For some reason, I seem to have lost the ability to share printers. I can select the shared option in CUPS, but as soon as I hit apply, it immediately switches back to not being shared.
[13:23] <OneM_Industries> Any ideas?
[13:23] <OneM_Industries> It's a brother MFC if that helps.
[13:23] <TJ-> OneM_Industries: are you doing it through http://localhost:631/ ?
[13:23] <cpcat> but when a mac client mount's and creates a file, the new file has rwxr-xr-x+ permissions for the same user logged in.
[13:23] <annoyed-phone> Tj- how do I check that? I can mount it from a live USB just fine, all my files are still there
[13:23] <OneM_Industries> TJ-: No, I was using the "Printers" utility, but that looks much better.
[13:24] <TJ-> annoyed-phone: as I said earlier, in the initramfs shell, then check if this file exists: "ls -l /conf/conf.d/cryptroot"
[13:24] <TJ-> OneM_Industries: Yes; I generally find the HTTP interface more capable and reliable
[13:25] <TJ-> OneM_Industries: although I don't 'share' printers in that way - I assume it relies on some Samba functionality
[13:26] <OneM_Industries> Ok.
[13:26] <TJ-> annoyed-phone: if you have it mounted using a LiveISO, then check /etc/crypttab matches the /dev/sda3 UUID - it could be you've managed to generate the initrd.img file without it containing the cryptsetup tools and config files
[13:27] <b1ack0p> is it ok to install kernel 5 to ubuntu 18.04 ?
[13:27] <cfhowlett> b1ack0p= best to wait for it to hit mainstream
[13:27] <cfhowlett> !kernel
[13:27] <OerHeks> b1ack0p, only when it is given in !hwe
[13:27] <OerHeks> !hwe
[13:28] <OerHeks> so no, not now
[13:28] <annoyed-phone> Tj- https://i.imgur.com/undefined.jpg
[13:29] <TJ-> annoyed-phone: I don't think that was what you meant to post!
[13:31] <TJ-> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04-edge | b1ack0p
[13:32] <annoyed-phone> Tj- it's not seeing it https://i.imgur.com/CnRySKL.jpg
[13:34] <OerHeks> TJ-, never looked at -edge, lots of issues btw
[13:34] <TJ-> annoyed-phone: the option is a lower-case "L" (l) not an "i" or "1" , but it looks as if the file is missing.
[13:34] <tomreyn> b1ack0p: as TJ points out, linux 5.0 is now available in 18.04 and will get updates via linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04-edge, but note that "edge" suggests it could be... edgy. this said, i'm using this on 18.04 for some days now and it works fine for me.
[13:34] <TJ-> OerHeks: I use -edge mostly, if not a mainline build
[13:34] <Chaos_Zero> ow the edge
[13:35] <b1ack0p> tomreyn: yea as it is stated stable version 5.1.3 so i thought i can install it
[13:35] <b1ack0p> will it be available in ubuntu updates soon?
[13:35] <TJ-> 'edge' just means it comes from the latest release, rather than the first LTS HWE version. 'edge' will become the standard LTS HWE at the next point release
[13:35] <tomreyn> b1ack0p: where "it is stated stable version 5.1.3"?
[13:36] <b1ack0p> kernel.org
[13:36] <b1ack0p> https://www.kernel.org/
[13:36] <Chaos_Zero> Has anyone  ever come across a project to automate logins to free wifi (the captive portals?) One specific one happens to kick me off periodically and it is quite a disturbance.
[13:36] <b1ack0p> Latest Stable Kernel: 5.1.3
[13:37] <tomreyn> b1ack0p: right, this means that it has been chosen as a stable branch by the kernel developers. it doesn't mean that it will become available in existing ubuntu LTS releases.
[13:37] <tomreyn> !latest | b1ack0p
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> Chaos_Zero: seek for the origin why you are kicked off the ssid
[13:37] <TJ-> annoyed-phone: check if the initialramfs has the tools required to manually open the LUKS device: "cryptsetup --version" should report itself. If you get 'file not found' then you'll need to use the LiveISO and a chroot-mount to fix it. If it *does* exist you can manually unlock with "cryptsetup open /dev/sa3 sda3_crypt" and once you've entered the pass-phrase and it has opened it, you do "vgchange -ay" and
[13:37] <TJ-> then "exit" to continue booting
[13:38] <b1ack0p> ok i will use what comes with the pack ...
[13:38] <b1ack0p> box*
[13:38] <Chaos_Zero> lotuspsychje: its not kicked off the ssid, I remain connected, but I need to go back to the captive portal login page and enter credentials again.
[13:38] <tomreyn> b1ack0p: this said, it is possible that ubuntu packages providing this kernel for ubuntu 18.04 LTS *may* become available via !HWE in the future.
[13:38] <tomreyn> *kernel version
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> b1ack0p: is there a specific reason you want the latest kernel, or just the idea to be on the latest?
[13:39] <b1ack0p> in the future :p
[13:39] <b1ack0p> lotuspsychje: no i just like to stay up to date
[13:39] <b1ack0p> and curious about the new things changes ..etc
[13:39] <leftyfb> Chaos_Zero: that is intentional by the captive portal. Getting around such a thing is not related to ubuntu and beyond the scope of this channel
[13:39] <cfhowlett> b1ack0p= bleeding edges are bloody.  patience is advised.
[13:39] <b1ack0p> i think i cant feel the changes in kernel
[13:39] <tomreyn> b1ack0p: the older kernel versions do get security patches and bug fixes all the time. you are up to date in that sense.
[13:40] <b1ack0p> yes correct tomreyn
[13:41] <annoyed-phone> Tj- cryptsetup not found, getting the usb
[13:41] <b1ack0p> what s the best tool to play windows games on ubuntu? wine or playonlinux ?
[13:42] <cfhowlett> !steam | b1ack0p
[13:42] <b1ack0p> cfhowlett: for retro games which dont exist in steam
[13:42] <achen_> Hey guys is it possible to install ubuntu desktop18.04 with raid 0 ?
[13:43] <achen_> And if so, do you do it from the installation phase, on the pratitions?
[13:43] <leftyfb> achen_: yes. Though do you hate the data on it?
[13:43] <cfhowlett> !raid | achen_
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> b1ack0p: playonlinux is just a GUI for wine, it does the same
[13:43] <achen_> leftyfb : nope, fresh clean install
[13:43] <b1ack0p> i thought there is also gui version of wine?
[13:44] <b1ack0p> except playonlinux
[13:44] <leftyfb> achen_: right, my point is, RAID 0 = temporary data
[13:44] <leftyfb> achen_: you realize if one of the drives has an issue, you lose everything
[13:44] <achen_> leftyfb : well its thier choice so, guess it is what it is
[13:45] <achen_> leftyfb : where do you choose the raid option in the partition? cause it only gave me file foramts when i tried
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> b1ack0p: lets stick to real ubuntu issues here, for chat try #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:45] <leftyfb> achen_: install using the mini.iso
[13:46] <b1ack0p> lotuspsychje: i am not chatting
[13:46] <achen_> leftyfb : which iso is that ?
[13:46] <achen_> Ubuntu minimal install ?
[13:47] <achen_> Can i do with the regular iso aswell?
[13:48] <pragmaticenigma> !mini | achen_
[13:50] <achen_> Is there a huge differene in the instllations or the important things it lets you choose in the options of the installation ?
[13:52] <pragmaticenigma> achen_: What do you mean by difference, and what are you comparing?
[13:52] <achen_> he recommened me to install from the mini install instead of usual desktop to install raid 0
[13:54] <vmonteco> Is there a feature with setxkbmap to display current settings?
[13:54]  * pga welcomes myself.
[13:55]  * pga means that ze welcomes zeself
[13:55] <Fuchs> vmonteco: -query
[13:55] <pragmaticenigma> achen_: In the end there will be no difference in the installation. Mini gives you the option to install any of the official flavors of Ubuntu. It also has some advanced options for installation choices, including drive setup. The Desktop ISO is built and designed for simple installations. My suggestion is you try it out, become familiar with it and then ask questions as you encounter them.
[13:57] <TikityTik> anyone ever setup LUKS with btrfs?
[13:57] <TikityTik> not sure how to setup LUKS at all. in post-installation atm
[13:59] <pragmaticenigma> !btrfs | TikityTik
[14:01] <pragmaticenigma> TikityTik: It's not a recommended setup. Btrfs is not considered stable, and data loss does happen frequently. I wouldn't recommend attempting to add encrpytion to that
[14:03] <qwebirc62052> hi
[14:03] <qwebirc62052> how can i change ulimit -n to 2048 from 1024 in terminal ubuntu? thanks
[14:04] <thsnr> have you tried: ulimit -n 2048
[14:05] <qwebirc62052> no will do now
[14:06] <Ool> after you can check the new value with ulimit -a
[14:07] <AlexPortable> How can i control my fanspeed to make it not always on, and how can I enable multitouch on my touchpad?
[14:08] <TikityTik> pragmaticenigma: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Does_btrfs_support_encryption.3F says using luks on an encrypted partition is ok
[14:10] <achen_> pragmaticenigma : for some reaosn it won't let me boot the installation any idea why ? ( talking about the mini )
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> annoyed-phone: are you still with us?
[14:37] <avrdude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZJCm6grg9K/ why can this file not be preloaded from LD_PRELOAD?
[14:43] <TJ-> avrdude: what is the type of the file reported by 'file /usr/local/lib/test.so'
[14:45] <avrdude> TJ-: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=dcc36172888f6d58c3c9aebffed0ce403e0a6b96, not stripped
[14:45] <TJ-> avrdude: is the host architecture also 32-bit? "arch"
[14:47] <avrdude> TJ-: it's 64bit, but when I tried the LD_PRELOAD trick on my program (32bit), it said "from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64): ignored."
[14:47] <avrdude> so i recompiled the .so to be 32bit
[14:47] <Shikadi> Henlo, "The following packages have unmet dependencies: git-gui : Depends: git (< 1:2.17.1-.)"
[14:47] <vmonteco> Fuchs: Thank you!
[14:47] <Shikadi> I thought git-gui was supposed to be built in to git?
[14:49] <Fuchs> vmonteco: you're welcome :)
[14:50] <TJ-> avrdude: I've not used LD_PRELOAD with a different arch like that /but/ I'm wondering if the host linux loader (ld.so) is rejecting it due to it not matching
[14:50] <pax_rhos> hello again. So my troubles with GPU proceed.
[14:50] <pax_rhos> I've replaced older AMD GPU with a newer AMD GPU
[14:51] <pax_rhos> the new one is Radeon HD 6850, and 'Additional Drivers' doesn't list any additional drivers as available
[14:51] <pax_rhos> https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-hd/amd-radeon-hd-6000-series/amd-radeon-hd-6850 provides catalyst for linux for ubuntu 14.04
[14:51] <pax_rhos> well, I'm on 18.04
[14:53] <pax_rhos> I wouldn't even bother with installing anything if not for that awful tearing when scrolling chromium
[14:54] <TJ-> pax_rhos: how about "lspci -nnk -d ::0300"
[14:54] <vincenzo> Hi, I have a ryzen w b450m chipset, and only get processor sensors in lm-sensors. Also sensors-detect does not find anything. This is even with the newer 5.1 kernel. Anyone has advice? I would like to see the motherboard sensors.
[14:55] <simon> hi. my 'apt update' is broken; I'm on 17.10 (artful aardvark) and I get a 404 Not Found on da.archive.ubuntu.com; replacing this with some other mirror, e.g. en.archive.ubuntu.com is the same. I get 'Err:7 http://en.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful Release  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80]' and 'E: The repository 'http://en.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful Release' does not have a Release file.' -- what
[14:55] <simon>  can I do to update/upgrade/distupgrade?
[14:55] <pax_rhos> TJ-: what about it? [AMD/ATI] Barts PRO [Radeon HD 6850] [1002:6739]
[14:55] <pax_rhos> Kernel driver in use: radeon, Kernel modules: radeon
[14:56] <simon> is this because 17.10 is no longer supported? if that's the case, can I simply circumvent this by pretending I'm a newer version?
[14:57] <pax_rhos> simon: dunno if that's actually so, but http://en.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/
[14:57] <TJ-> pax_rhos: ok, so a driver has been selected "radeon"
[14:58] <TJ-> !oldreleases | simon
[14:58] <TJ-> hmmph!
[14:59] <OerHeks> vincenzo, build lmsensors yourself? https://linuxconfig.org/monitor-amd-ryzen-temperatures-in-linux-with-latest-kernel-modules
[14:59] <simon> TJ-, I'd be interested to know how to deal with an old release.
[14:59] <pax_rhos> TJ-: should I try mesa?
[14:59] <OerHeks>  Ubuntu 18.04.1, both it87 and nct6775 modules are included in the release.
[14:59] <simon> pax_rhos, I'm not sure how this applies.
[14:59] <TJ-> !eol | simon
[15:00] <vincenzo> OerHeks: according to this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1091671/how-to-monitor-ryzen-temperatures-on-ubuntu-18-04 yes both modules are there, but I get "no such device" when I modprobe them...
[15:00] <TJ-> simon: the short answer you'll find there is to alter the /etc/apt/sources.list to use http://old-releases.ubuntu/com/
[15:00] <pax_rhos> simon: I meant that ubuntu link on that page leads to the same page (yet alters the url's path)
[15:01] <OerHeks> vincenzo, You might need to force an id for the module ( on that page)  sudo modprobe it87 force_id=0x862 or the other options
[15:01] <vincenzo> ah!
[15:06] <vincenzo> OerHeks: I used force_id and the module it87 IS loaded, but I see no newer sensors using the "sensors" command
[15:06] <vincenzo> Also I have no service named lm_sensors to start
[15:07] <simon> TJ-, excellent, thanks. I'll try to perform a dist-upgrade that way. seems to go fine so far.
[15:11] <tomreyn> vincenzo: /lib/systemd/system/lm-sensors.service (systemctl status lm-sensors.service)
[15:12] <marcoagpinto> guys?! Why does "Software Updater" ask for a password? Since it is part of the OS, why it does?
[15:12] <Shikadi> marcoagpinto: Security
[15:12] <OerHeks> marcoagpinto, by design. nothing new
[15:13] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[15:13] <OerHeks> some updates require no pass, heavy ones like kernel and such do
[15:13] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhhhh
[15:13] <marcoagpinto> good to know
[15:13] <OerHeks> other linux versions might ask for a pass always
[15:15] <marcoagpinto> I have been updating my VMs since a new version of VirtualBox is out. 2x18.04, 18.10 and 19.04
[15:15] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:16] <marcoagpinto> I update, then reboot, then install the guest additions CD
[15:16] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> TikityTik: Support versus recommendation are two very different pieces. BTRFS is supported, and LUKS runs underneath the file system. What I'm pointing out is that btrfs isn't considered very stable and it is my opinion that you might want to consider a different file system that more individuals have experience with, should you encounter issues with your setup
[15:17] <cyberphanton> print(hello world)
[15:18] <sam_> hi guys...!!!!!
[15:18] <cyberphanton> jajajajaja
[15:18] <sam_> Good UGT....!!!
[15:18] <cyberphanton> alguien que hable español
[15:18] <cfhowlett> cyberphanton= ask you ubuntu support questions
[15:19] <cfhowlett> !es | cyberphanton
[15:19] <sam_> i'm using ubuntu 14.04
[15:19] <cyberphanton> no have question sr
[15:19] <sam_> 64 bit os
[15:19] <OerHeks> sam_, sad to hear that, 14.04 is dead, EOL
[15:20] <cfhowlett> sam_= time to upgrade.   i  suggest 18.04
[15:21] <sam_> oh...but i'm using 14.04 LTS
[15:21] <Lope> I booted a live Ubuntu USB. `free -h` shows 6.6G in buffers/cache and 3.1G available. I tried to do an online expansion of the root cow filesystem "/cow on / type overlay (rw,relatime,lowerdir=//filesystem.squashfs,upperdir=/cow/upper,workdir=/cow/work)" like so. `mount /cow / -o remount,rw,relatime,lowerdir=//filesystem.squashfs,upperdir=/cow/upper,workdir=/cow/work,size=5G` it completed without error, but stayed 3.9G. Any ideas?
[15:21] <cfhowlett> sam_= and it is no longer supported.  upgrade.  or stay with an unsupported versoin and take your chances
[15:21] <OerHeks> sam_, when you update, you are notified
[15:22] <OerHeks> Lope, why should that work on the RO live iso?
[15:22] <sam_> OerHeks, i recently updated it too
[15:22] <cfhowlett> !14.04 | sam_
[15:23] <pragmaticenigma> sam_: if you recently updated, you updated to a version that is also no longer supported. 16.04 LTS and 18.04 LTS are the only two current supported LTS releases.
[15:23] <sam_> :-( sad to hear that...
[15:23] <Lope> OerHeks, I just tried it hoping it might be resizable like tmpfs is.
[15:24] <Lope> OerHeks, now I'm asking the proper way to live resize an overlay filesystem because googling it didn't return anything relevant looking.
[15:24] <OerHeks> Lope, sorry, i have no clue howto, install ubuntu on a 2nd usb?
[15:25] <Lope> OerHeks, nah, I just wanted to see if there's a way to do this.
[15:25] <sam_> OerHeks, will i get a help regarding an issue in that here?
[15:26] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade | sam_= here's how
[15:26] <OerHeks> sam_, issues? no, 14.04 is dead, eol, upgrade to a supported ubuntu version
[15:28] <sam_> i don't know it's a issue or not...let me tell my issue..
[15:28] <cfhowlett> sam_= your issue is you are using a non-supported ubuntu version.  fix that first.
[15:29] <sam_> OerHeks, i'm having trouble in connecting mobile broadband...
[15:30] <tomreyn> sam_: there's no use in discussing 14.04 issues here since we won't be able to help you with those. there's one exception: if you are trying to do an !eolupgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 then someone *may* try to help you with that.
[15:30] <sam_> my dongle is detected but not connecting to internet...
[15:31] <pga69_> sam_: Do you have the device driver installed?
[15:31] <OerHeks> that is good, 1 less vulnerable system
[15:31] <pga69_> OerHeks: XD
[15:31] <OerHeks> keep the internet safe, folks!
[15:32] <sam_> getting issue like this on connecting: ModemManager[668]: <warn>  Couldn't initialize PDP context with our APN: 'Sending command failed: 'Resource temporarily unavailable''
[15:32] <tomreyn> sam_: please don't ignore what people have told you several times now, thanks.
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> sam_: The volunteers in this channel cannot help you until you upgrade Ubuntu to the latest supported versions. There is absolutely no way for anyone here to support you since no one here is running that version of Ubuntu anymore since it has reached its end-of-life
[15:33] <sam_> also like this: NetworkManager[795]: <warn> (ttyUSB2) failed to connect modem: Sending command failed: 'Resource temporarily unavailable'
[15:34] <sam_> pga69: driver? I didn't install any such. how to do that? and thanks for ur positive reply..
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> sam_: Please stop, until you upgrade Ubuntu. you will receive no further help
[15:36] <sam_> Guys...i'm in a situation to compulsorily proceed with my current version...sorry to disturb u all
[15:36] <cfhowlett> you're forced to use a non-security updated OS?  really
[15:37] <JimBuntu> sam_ /join ##linux for releases not supported here.
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> !esm | sam_ - then this is your only option, and support will be provided through canonical directly.
[15:39] <sam_> ok...let me try ##linux...
[15:39] <achen_> Hey guys , is it possible to manually install ubuntu from "try ubuntu" with hardware raid configured ? ( i configured hardware raid but the installation doesnt recognize the disks , crashes, and throws me in the "try ubuntu" so ithought maybe to somehow try to do it manually)
[15:40] <tomreyn> achen_: please do not cross post
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> !raid | achen_ Did you look here as was pointed out earlier?
[15:41] <achen_> pragmaticenigma : it doesn't work as i mentioned it crashes on the partition phase and throws me to "try ubuntu"?
[15:41] <achen_> tomreyn : okay sorry :3
[15:41] <achen_> ubottu : didnt' help
[15:43] <jelly> Lope: what did "df /cow/upper" say?
[15:46] <Lope> jelly, doesn't work
[15:46] <Lope> df: /cow/upper: No such file or directory
[15:46] <Lope> I can't even `cd /cow`
[15:46] <Lope> -bash: cd: /cow: No such file or directory
[15:47] <Lope> don't worry about it. I thought it should be a simple thing?
[15:47] <jelly> Lope: mm, so it's hidden now, can you pastebin the outputs of "mount" and "df"?
[15:48] <Lope> jelly, https://www.hastebin.com/ozotobizug.coffeescript
[15:51] <jelly> Lope: I can't figure out a way to get to the filesystem beneath current / fs off the top of my head, sorry
[15:54] <Younder> In linux you use partions so / should hole the root file.system and just about anything controlled by a .deb file. Use a seperate patrion for /home and one for /usr/local as it makes backups easier. using a separate partion for /var prevents DOS attacks from filling your disk.
[15:54] <Fuchs> wat
[15:58] <sentiment> hi
[15:58] <sentiment> I've been struggling with this post-login slownees for a few days
[15:58] <sentiment> I've also been researching about it using systemd-analyze output
[15:58] <sentiment> so far no gain
[15:59] <sentiment> all I know is that systemd-analyze blames NetworkManager-wait-online.service for the slowness however some guy on mint forums says it's not the culprit
[15:59] <sentiment> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=282437
[16:00] <sentiment> he believes that the network is slow to signal the networkmanager service or something like that
[16:00] <sentiment> however Windows doesn't seem to suffer from this problem
[16:00] <sentiment> any thoughts?
[16:00] <sentiment> I have the systemd-analyze svg plot in case anyone needs it
[16:01] <Younder> sentiment, Have you been hacked? What control do you have over monitoring what goes in and out of your network?
[16:01] <sentiment> NetworkManager-wait-online.service @5.742s +6.611s
[16:02] <sentiment> network-online.target @12.354s
[16:02] <OerHeks> maybe unattended updates is the culprit?
[16:02] <sentiment> Younder: no I am not hacked, how did you arrive at that conclusion?
[16:03] <sentiment> OerHeks: apt updates? I don't see any mention of them in the systemd analyze output
[16:03] <sentiment> and it's everytime the system is boot up
[16:03] <sentiment> so it can't be because of updates
[16:03] <Younder> sentiment, It was a question, not a conclusion. Sometimes phishing spreaders take up a lot of network activity slowing things down.
[16:05] <BluesKaj> sentiment, "unattended updates" it's a thing in your package manager
[16:05] <BluesKaj> as OerHeks suggested
[16:07] <sentiment> Younder: I know, but it was too soon to ask that question imo. anyways  I'm safe :-)
[16:12] <Mdlpe> hi, I have a small problem : http://dpaste.com/0SRMTH8
[16:14] <Franknog> Mdlpe: I would be worried too if my shell was in French
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> Mdlpe: can you pastebin the output of: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade please?
[16:15] <OerHeks> Franknog, be helpfull, no need to be funny
[16:16] <abdullah> Hi to All
[16:17] <OerHeks> Mdlpe, why did you download the source? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[16:17] <OerHeks> sudo apt install libdvd-pkg && sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg # should do the trick
[16:17] <Franknog> OerHeks: sorry
[16:21] <Younder> OerHeks, why? More country formats? I remember getting BBC earth as a gift from the US and installing stuff to get it to play.
[16:22] <Mdlpe> OerHeks, because I plan to compile a kernel
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> Mdlpe: we dont support own kernel compile, use !mainline instead
[16:23] <OerHeks> then one should build that source, before deploying, i guess.. or use the build packages
[16:24] <Mdlpe> OerHeks, looks good now ;-)
[16:24] <OerHeks> Mdlpe, have fun!
[16:24] <Mdlpe> OerHeks, thanks
[16:25] <Younder> Compiling a kernel is effortless testing it another matter. The old school technique is to use two machines and connect then by USB. By using GDB remote you can set breakpoints etc without halting the machine doing the debugging.
[16:26] <Lope> jelly, no worries
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> sentiment: wick kernel are you on?
[16:48] <sentiment> what's the alternative to networkManager?
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> sentiment: there are other ways to speedup your boot time
[16:49] <sentiment> lotuspsychje: 4.18.0-20-generic
[16:50] <sentiment> wasn't there an older system before network manager?
[16:50] <sentiment> maybe switching to that will fix it
[16:50] <sentiment> ifup?
[16:51] <popey_> sentiment: what's the goal? There's a couple of alternatives, but not as well developed as nm
[16:51] <popey_> connman and wicd were previously suggested as alternatives, but nm is way better IMO
[16:51] <sentiment> network manager wait service is very slow
[16:52] <sentiment> and a web search brings up alot of people complaining about it
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> sentiment: is that afresh install or updated from?
[17:47] <slimani> HI
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> welcome slimani
[17:49] <slimani> @<lotuspsychje> , thx! what is this channel for?
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> !support | slimani
[17:52] <slimani> ubottu, lotuspsychje thx.
[18:32] <killown> We cannot detect a running copy of GNOME on this system, so some parts of the interface may be disabled. See our troubleshooting entry for more information.
[18:33] <killown> how can I enable extensions through gnome site?
[18:33] <killown> chrome-gnome-shell/disco,disco,now 10.1-5 all [installed]
[18:33] <killown> still not working
[18:33] <Gerowen> Random question.  Are SSH connections encrypted by default even if I don't set up private keys for each device?
[18:33] <jcotton> yes
[18:34] <jcotton> the keys are for auth, not connection encryption
[18:34] <killown> Although GNOME Shell integration extension is running, native host connector is not detected. Refer documentation for instructions about installing connector.
[18:34] <OerHeks> killown, some extentions need a logout/login, or gnome-tweak-tool to enable them
[18:34] <Gerowen> jcotton: That's what I thought since I get prompted to accept an RSA fingerprint when connecting before entering my username and password, but I was just curious.
[18:34] <killown> I want to install from here https://extensions.gnome.org/
[18:35] <Gerowen> Well, when connecting for the first from a new device anyway.
[18:35] <OerHeks> killown, select your gnome version, that website has no sudo rights to look into your system
[18:35] <OerHeks> .. which is oke to me
[18:35] <killown> which doesn't look ok
[18:36] <killown> works in archlinux
[18:36] <killown> should work in ubuntu also
[18:36] <OerHeks> file a bugreport then, i think it is by design
[18:37] <killown> ubuntu is blocking for propositional not allowing the usage from the site, because you guys want people installing extensions from software center, which by design is terrible bad, no info, no pics
[18:38] <tomreyn> "you guys" = the volunteers supporting you here?
[18:38] <killown> developers
[18:38] <killown> terrible bad design, beyond terrible
[18:39] <killown> blocking user customization
[18:39] <killown> should at least have a button to enable it back
[18:39] <tomreyn> this is a volunteer driven support channel, do you have a support question? your opinions on design are off-topic on this very channel.
[18:39] <plongshot>  In my webserver's root dir I have dirs for subdomains as well as a dir for the primary domain. The ownership of the primary domain si  www-data : www-data   and of the other subdomain dirs it is root : root.  I don't want to break apache but I do want to have acess too.  What set of perms would be best for this?  myusername : www-data ?   www-data : some-group-im-in? Or something else? I want the best securyt without breaking
[18:39] <plongshot> apache and not have tu sudo to do stuff.
[18:39] <plongshot> Can anyone help?
[18:41] <OerHeks> killown, see part #2 https://itsfoss.com/gnome-shell-extensions/
[18:41] <OerHeks> "But in order to install extensions a web browser, you need two things: a browser add-on and .."
[18:42] <killown> But in order to install extensions a web browser, you need two things: a browser add-on and a native host connector in your system.
[18:42] <killown> I have both
[18:42] <thsnr> plongshot: you an use ACLs to give additional permissions to files, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissionsACLs
[18:42] <de-facto> i think its not a problem to use extensions.gnome.org, at least I always use them on 18.04
[18:42] <killown> chrome-gnome-shell/disco,disco,now 10.1-5 all [installed]
[18:45] <OerHeks> Make sure that either http://extensions.gnome.org is whitelisted .. https://extensions.gnome.org/about/#no-detection
[18:49] <Guest56637> www.google.com
[18:49] <leftyfb> Guest56637: can we help you with something?
[18:50] <killown> thank you OerHeks but not working after all
[18:50] <ace> hi all
[18:50] <ace> hope u can help
[18:50] <de-facto> hmm interesting, extensions.gnome.org worked on chrome, but now it only works on firefox with the add-on
[18:50] <de-facto> i am on 18.04 though
[18:51] <ace> trying to ssh into my OMV openmediavault nas drive at home from work
[18:52] <ace> have intalled putty on the win10 machine and entered the ip address to ssh into the omv
[18:52] <plongshot> thsnr: thanks It was mentioned in another channel too. I''ll have to learn about that.
[18:52] <ace> can connect to the omv command line
[18:52] <de-facto> ace, you need the ip address from your home (modem?) bound to a dynamic dns entry, so you can use that to connect from work on a port (usually 22) which you would have to open in your router and forward to your nas drive
[18:53] <ace> thanks de-facto have got that far
[18:53] <blackflow> !enter | ace
[18:53] <leftyfb> ace: your issue has nothing to do with ubuntu
[18:53] <ace> sorry will do so
[18:54] <leftyfb> ace: you're trying to ssh from a Windows machine to a OMV device which runs on Debian, not Ubuntu
[18:56] <b1ack0p> hi. i think my source.list is not proper. i dont get any update for days. could you please check what s wrong?
[18:57] <b1ack0p> this is my source.list : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rtxmXJYHdQ/
[18:57] <Bashing-om> b1ack0p: Sure we can look at it .. but what release do you have ?
[18:57] <b1ack0p> ubuntu 18.04.2
[19:00] <ace> i am now trying to reverse ssh by selecting or adding a dynamic port to the tunnel and then trying to see the omv gui via firefox at work but i keep getting the connection was reset  , and my apologies again for not following the ettiquetearlier
[19:01] <OerHeks> b1ack0p, what does "sudo apt update "give?
[19:01] <leftyfb> ace: you're trying to ssh from a Windows machine to a OMV device which runs on Debian, not Ubuntu. This is not supported here.
[19:01] <OerHeks> any packages held back?
[19:02] <leftyfb> ace: To be even more clear, your question is how to setup a reverse tunnel using putty on Windows. Not even a linux question, let alone Ubuntu.
[19:03] <ace> leftyfb: i thought the cli commands were the same or similar across ubuntu and debian ie forgive my ignorance but are they not both linux distros
[19:04] <Bashing-om> b1ack0p: Looks good - depending on your use case, might want the bionic-backports and partner repos too, Mine: https://termbin.com/ccxq .
[19:04] <leftyfb> ace: We do not support Debian here. But again, your issue is regarding setting up reverse ssh tunnels using putty on Windows. Not Ubuntu or Debian related at all.
[19:04] <ace> i thought the ssh protocol was a linux command
[19:04] <leftyfb> ace: please see #windows for support
[19:06] <de-facto> killown, dont use Chrom{e,ium} its looks as its broken (at least on 18.04). Firefox with the "GNOME Shell-Integration" extension seems to work just fine for me
[19:06] <ace> ok will do, thanks, but could you clear my confusion, is the SSH tunnel protocol  linux or windows or generic to both
[19:07] <blackflow> de-facto: broken how?
[19:07] <blackflow> ace: neither really, it was/is developed by OpenBSD, and it's operating-system independent.
[19:07] <leftyfb> ace: protocols are typically OS agnostic
[19:07] <Franknog> ace: I have never had a problem with SSH on Linux. never gotten it to work natively on Windows (though it is said that it will be reported "soon")
[19:08] <de-facto> blackflow, it wont let me enable the extension, or would it detect an installed chrome-gnome-shell
[19:08] <Bashing-om> de-facto: chromium here and no issues :)
[19:08] <blackflow> de-facto: snap or apt-installed?
[19:08] <blackflow> I think snap might have issue due to isolation.
[19:08] <ace> ok, thank you, i had only ever used ssh  previously with ubuntu and linux mint
[19:08] <de-facto> native chromium-browser installed but used in incognito mode
[19:08] <blackflow> de-facto: "native" == via apt?
[19:09] <de-facto> yes
[19:09] <de-facto> i use it in incognito mode though
[19:09] <b1ack0p> Bashing-om: if it is good why dont i get any update for days?
[19:10] <pjs> Anyone gotten python3-dbus to work with Python 3.7?
[19:10] <de-facto> it has a lot of bugs, sometimes crashing Xorg, white font on white background (download progress) on adwaita dark, no enable extenion in incognito mode etc pp
[19:10] <blackflow> b1ack0p: incredibly but it happens that Ubuntu has no updates for days, depending of course what you have installed. :)
[19:10] <de-facto> gets worse with every release of chromium-browser, i blame the google devs
[19:11] <b1ack0p> blackflow: so ubuntu didnt release any update recently?
[19:11] <Bashing-om> b1ack0p: How many days ? 18.04 is stable now and there are not a lot of updates, I got 2 this morning relating to netplan.
[19:11] <b1ack0p> about 4-5 days i guess
[19:11] <b1ack0p> usually everyday i get updates when i run the command
[19:11] <blackflow> usually there are, yes.
[19:11] <b1ack0p> also i added virtualbox ppa but it didnt install the latest version..
[19:13] <blackflow> b1ack0p: did you run apt update, between setting up the PPA and running install?
[19:14] <andrea> buonasera a tutti
[19:14] <b1ack0p> blackflow: no i directly added ppa into software & update manually
[19:14] <blackflow> ciao andrea!
[19:14] <blackflow> b1ack0p: not sure what you mean by that. yesterday you were running echo | sudo tee
[19:15] <blackflow> b1ack0p: ah, you mean the Add button on Other software tab
[19:15] <b1ack0p> yes
[19:15] <b1ack0p> what does echo | sudo tee do ?
[19:16] <b1ack0p> i added this ppa : deb [arch=amd64] http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bionic contrib
[19:16] <blackflow> b1ack0p: it echoes a string into command `tee` run as superuser. run  `man tee` to learn what tee does .
[19:16] <blackflow> in your case, you were trying to add a deb line into sources.list, but you botched it by missing the -a option for tee
[19:17] <b1ack0p> i really dont know what is tee
[19:17] <blackflow> b1ack0p: run `man tee`
[19:17] <b1ack0p> i did but still dont get it
[19:18] <blackflow> b1ack0p: you know what sudo does?
[19:18] <b1ack0p> yes
[19:18] <OerHeks> b1ack0p, what does "sudo apt update "give?
[19:18] <OerHeks> any packages held back?
[19:18] <blackflow> with sudo you run a command with elevated privilege. to add a line of text into a file you could     echo "sometext" > somefile   .    But, if you `sudo echo ...` then it won't work because  >  is evaluated as a result of sudo command, therefore not run as superuser.
[19:19] <b1ack0p> OerHeks: it suppose to give any update brought by repositories
[19:19] <blackflow> b1ack0p: therefore the trick is to use the `tee` command, run via sudo, to do that. it's a trick.
[19:19] <b1ack0p> damn this linux is too complicated :S
[19:20] <blackflow> it's not. normal people open a file with an editor :)
[19:20] <OerHeks> just paste the output on paste.ubuntu.com
[19:20] <de-facto> ace, there is also #networking #openssh and #windows on freenode :))
[19:20] <b1ack0p> ok
[19:21] <b1ack0p> OerHeks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pFRfSGXbvx/
[19:21] <blackflow> you could also run    `apt list --upgradable | nc termbin.com 9999`     and post here the URL you get :)
[19:22] <OerHeks> oke, no issues, you have all the updates
[19:22] <UserUS> black0p, what are you trying to do?
[19:22] <ace> de-facto , thanks for the direction , trying to go there now
[19:22] <b1ack0p> UserUS: i m trying to get virtualbox 6
[19:22] <TEOSEOOOO> hola
[19:23] <AGUStin> hola
[19:23] <UserUS> black0p, is that native ubuntu and you're trying to download virtualbox 6 or is it a VM?
[19:23] <TEOSEOOOO> pasalo
[19:23] <b1ack0p> hola amigo
[19:23] <TEOSEOOOO> hola
[19:23] <b1ack0p> UserUS: it is native
[19:23] <OerHeks> TEOSEOOOO, please, not again
[19:23] <blackflow> !ops  trollalert
[19:23] <b1ack0p> i installed vbox 5 but trying to update it to 6
[19:23]  * blackflow shakes ubottu
[19:23] <b1ack0p> lol blackflow
[19:24] <AGUStin> Teito
[19:24] <UserUS> b1ack0p, https://tecadmin.net/install-virtualbox-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[19:24] <UserUS> sudo apt install virtualbox-6.0
[19:24] <b1ack0p> UserUS: that s what i am trying to do
[19:24] <b1ack0p> UserUS: i added ppa
[19:24] <b1ack0p> doesnt it suppose to bring latest update?
[19:24] <b1ack0p> without installing it?
[19:25] <UserUS> what happens when you do apt-get install virtualbox-6.0?
[19:25] <b1ack0p> it installs now
[19:25] <OerHeks> b1ack0p, not sure that 3rd party ppa gives vbox 6
[19:25] <blackflow> b1ack0p: no. virtualbox-6.0 is an entirely different package from virtualbox, as far as the package manager is concerned, it won't upgrade virtualbox to virtualbox-6.0
[19:25] <OerHeks> here it says it does https://tecadmin.net/install-virtualbox-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[19:25] <b1ack0p> so before installing it should i purge old version?
[19:26] <OerHeks> good luck
[19:26] <UserUS> the instructions say to run the install command for it so I doubt it upgrades to it
[19:26] <blackflow> b1ack0p: if you had `virtualbox` installed from regular repos, then yes
[19:27] <blackflow> b1ack0p: btw this is done deliberately so that the oracle's PPA doesn't clobber the already installed packages. you have to explicitly install the package named specifically. so it's not a "newer version of package `virtualbox`". it's an entirely separate package from the PPA.
[19:27] <UserUS> if virtualbox is already installed, does it not work upgrading it from the GUI?
[19:28] <OerHeks> UserUS, seems not
[19:28] <OerHeks> seek support in their channel?
[19:28] <OerHeks> b1ack0p ^^
[19:28] <b1ack0p> i dont think it updates via GUI like windows
[19:28] <UserUS> odd. yeah auto-remove the old one and run the install for new version
[19:28] <b1ack0p> it is late
[19:28] <b1ack0p> i already run the command for 6 before removing old one ..
[19:29] <UserUS> eh, does it work?
[19:29] <OerHeks> !info virtualbox disco
[19:29] <b1ack0p> %97 downloaded
[19:29] <OerHeks> disco gives 6
[19:29] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/virtualbox
[19:29] <OerHeks> silly ubottu
[19:30] <blackflow> maybe it doesn't see multiverse packages?
[19:30] <b1ack0p> it wanted me to remove old one O.o
[19:30] <b1ack0p> yay i have vbox 6 now :p
[19:30] <b1ack0p> different icon
[19:30] <blackflow> b1ack0p: yes, the PPA package is made to be exclusive with default repo ones, so it'll try to uninstall
[19:31] <tbrown> how do I register to get into off topic ubuntu could someone show me an example
[19:31] <OerHeks> !register
[19:32] <b1ack0p> damn it didnt start my installed windows 10
[19:32] <b1ack0p> i had to remove it
[19:33] <UserUS> yeah, you'll have to re add
[19:33] <UserUS> just re-add the drives under global
[19:34] <UserUS> then remake the VM and point to the drives. you have to redo the settings
[19:34] <OerHeks> b1ack0p, please watch your language, keep the channel family frienly, thanks
[19:35] <gambl0re> im using xubuntu and when i suspend it doesnt resume. any ideas?
[19:36] <b1ack0p> ok
[19:37] <OerHeks> gambl0re, on what hardware again? and what have you found sofar?
[19:44] <Guest17408> TJ-, I need your help again :( Remember you were helping me resolve my sound issue yesterday?
[19:45] <Guest17408> Well when I restarted it stopped working again
[19:45] <TJ-> Guest17408: you altered a profile I believe?
[19:46] <Guest17408> yep in pavucontrol and that seemed to work. unfortunately now, it says no cards available in configuration and output devices
[19:48] <OerHeks> hard boot after booting windows?
[19:54] <plongshot> Is there any way to recover a default (contents) configuration file if there is no backup?  To revert back to the default of that file?  I know sometimes you can find the ocntents online, but how to be sure it fits?
[19:54] <EriC^^> plongshot: configuration fie of what
[19:54] <OerHeks> plongshot, depends, lots of configs in your home are regenerated after delete & start app again
[20:01] <sappheiros> `libreoffice file` outputs "javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment!" is this a bug?
[20:02] <sappheiros> "Please ensure that a JVM and the package libreoffice-java-common is installed." I will search for this from muon.
[20:02] <dax> some parts of libreoffice only work if java is installed. it's not a dependency because most parts of libreoffice don't care
[20:02] <sappheiros> ah, it's not ...
[20:02] <sappheiros> oh. so installing it is only to suppress that terminal text?
[20:03] <sappheiros> is it better to learn to ignore terminal text?
[20:03] <sappheiros> that's not what i mean to ask
[20:03] <sappheiros> i mean: is it better to install packages you won't use just to ... never mind. i can think for myself.
[20:05] <Jonta> Don't ignore terminal text. You don't always have to act on it, and you don't always have to read it
[20:05] <dax> messages in the terminal from GUI applications are generally useless
[20:05] <dax> it's why nobody worries about ignoring them when they run GUI applications from e.g. a graphical menu, and can't see any of them
[20:08] <trurl> hi. after i reconfigured my network using netplan to use a bridge (for vms later using it too), unbound doesn't start anymore because the address it should bind to is not yet there when it comes up (May 20 17:35:36 q-sv unbound[638]: [1558366536] unbound[638:0] error: can't bind socket: Cannot assign requested address for 2a01:4f9:xx:xx::xx:xx [...] May 20 17:35:37 q-sv kernel: [    8.741954] IPv6:
[20:08] <trurl> ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): br0: link becomes ready)
[20:08] <trurl> what is the cleanest way to solve this?
[20:11] <OerHeks> trurl, did you run netplan apply after edit?
[20:11] <trurl> yes, i even rebootet (see timestamps)
[20:12] <OerHeks>  sudo netplan try #If there’s any problem with the configuration file, you will see appropriate error messages here.
[20:12] <OerHeks> and your post is unreadable, netplan has a strickt makeup, can you post in on paste.ubuntu.com ?
[20:17] <trurl> i dont think this is a netplan issue, its more a problem of order because the interface becomes ready AFTER unbound tries to bind to a specific address. but here you go: https://paste42.de/14408.txt
[20:19] <OerHeks> are you sure, eth0 ? ip a # would show the names
[20:19] <trurl> yes, it's eth0
[20:21] <trurl> https://paste42.de/14409/
[20:22] <trurl> i just don't understand why the order is messed up after introducing the bridge
[20:24] <sappheiros> dax: aren't messages in terminal from GUI apps basically for debugging?
[20:25] <dax> that or random uninteresting warnings from libraries etc.
[20:27] <TJ-> trurl: how does unbound start? If it is a systemd unit then it needs to Wants=/After=systemd-networkd.service (or similar) - better still would have the unbound service depend on the device interface being up
[20:27] <matt__> quit
[20:28] <trurl> TJ-: i guess, i just installed it on 18.04 using apt... let me check
[20:31] <trurl> "After=network.target"
[20:32] <b1ack0p> how can i add screenshot on launchpad bug report?
[20:33] <AGUStin> hola
[20:33] <AGUStin> Hola hola hola hola
[20:34] <TJ-> trurl: or possibly Requires=  - what you need is to check the interface is up before starting that service, I guess?
[20:34] <jcotton> !es | agu
[20:34] <jcotton> !es | AGUStin
[20:35] <AGUStin> Y teito hola
[20:36] <TJ-> trurl: presumably you want unbound to use br0 ?
[20:36] <AGUStin> Te estoy esperando
[20:37] <trurl> i want it to bind to a specific address which happens now to be used by br0. before my changes (introducing the br0 device) everything was working
[20:38] <Sushi-san> !es | AGUstin
[20:40] <AGUStin> Y teito hola
[20:40] <jcotton> AGUStin: this channel is English only, please use #ubuntu-es
[20:41] <Jonta> b1ack0p: Upload it somewhere and provide a link?
[20:43] <b1ack0p> ok done
[20:44] <b1ack0p> bbl
[20:46] <hggdh> F
[20:48] <caroga> hi all! Looking for a way to get touchpad gestures on my laptop with ubunty 18.04. What is the defacto nowadays ? I see that it's either FUSUMA or the GESTURES frontend gui for linbinput-gestures. What would be recommended?
[20:49] <Franknog> my Ubuntu server install has said 6% 10 minutes battery for half an hour now
[20:50] <trurl> TJ-: ok, i googled and i changed "After=network.target" to "After=network-online.target" in /lib/systemd/system/unbound.service and this seems to work :) thanks nonetheless
[20:50] <OerHeks> caroga, fusema i guess, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1034624/touchpad-gestures-in-ubuntu-18-04-lts
[20:50] <OerHeks> trurl, good find
[20:51] <trurl> this is a good answer: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/126009/cause-a-script-to-execute-after-networking-has-started
[20:52] <caroga> OerHeks, yeah I figured but this is also a recent entry. But if it's all the same than I'd just go with the most recent / easy one: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/09/linux-touchpad-gestures-app
[20:52] <qwebirc62904> udevadm trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured     Had a bad stick of ram durring an upgrade...
[20:53] <qwebirc62904> we replaced the stick of ram
[20:53] <qwebirc62904> but there are problems
[20:53] <qwebirc62904> I got a bunch of screenshots
[20:53] <trurl> using a bridge seems to slow down the process of the network config coming up and "Wants=network.target" seems to start the unbound service _at the same time_ as the network. at least thats what i'm guessing, i still need to find my peace with systemd
[20:55] <AGUStin> Y teooooooooooooo
[20:55] <blackflow> trurl: you can change it to Wants=network-online.target
[20:56] <AGUStin> Es joda
[20:56] <blackflow> ah... it's been mentioned. just scrolled up.
[20:56] <AGUStin> Dale Teo
[20:56] <Sushi-san> !ops please remove AGUstin; they are a troll that keeps rejoining
[20:56] <AGUStin> ferarri
[20:57] <mmercer> hey folks -- what is the proper way of configuring ubuntu for ldap via NON interactive format
[20:57] <AGUStin> Me equivoque
[20:57] <dax> AGUStin: ubuntu support only. no chat.
[20:57] <mmercer> seems really stupid to force/assume that all environments are going to have users manually configure ldap on every server... but every time ive installed libpam-ldap and nscd, sure enough, it forces the dialogue window
[20:58] <AGUStin> Chatiamos
[20:58] <dax> AGUStin: no
[20:58] <AGUStin> Y TEOSEOOOO
[20:59] <rebab> Can you help me? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/br8Bh6ksTb/
[20:59] <AGUStin> Contestame
[20:59] <AGUStin> Teito
[21:00] <Bashing-om> rebab: What is your question in respect to what 'find' dispalys ?
[21:01] <rebab> There are two test.org files but I can't reach second one.
[21:01] <floOppe> i have a short question what does this command exactly? sudo lan-s /etc/pki/tls/cert.pem /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt << a user in a steam forum gave me that recommend. he told me that can fix a problem with EAC = Easy anti cheat .. can this command harm my system integrity?
[21:02] <mmercer> floOppe: im assuming thats ln -s, not lan -s
[21:02] <floOppe> sudo ln-s /etc/pki/tls/cert.pem /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
[21:02] <floOppe> ok sry
[21:03] <floOppe> what it does?
[21:03] <mmercer> it creates a softlink from etc/pki/tls/cert.pem to /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt and i would not be running that since youre overwriting your CA certificate store
[21:03] <Bashing-om> rebab: What is yopur `Present Working Directory` ? if you 'list' with out the leading dot ` ls -al /home/coo/Desktop/test/test.org ` what happens ?
[21:05] <floOppe> can this harm my pc? or is this good to fix my problem with EAC=Easy anti cheat? i try to join a official server ( 7 days 2 die ) i get a error message .. the sandbox isent active.
[21:05] <floOppe> platform = steam
[21:06] <floOppe> do u like a link from the steam forum? i can show u where i found this recommend .. from a user
[21:08] <floOppe> im just a bit confused ... why this user gave me this recommend. :/ for a fix
[21:10] <tomreyn> floOppe: we do not know. but it is, at best, a very bad recommendation (you should never make system-wide changes which ahve security implications like this just to change how a single application behaves). and anything beyond this is not a matter of ubuntu support.
[21:11] <floOppe> ty for your suggestion!  i doesent use this command! here is the link from steam: https://steamcommunity.com/app/519190/discussions/0/1474221865185075106/
[21:11] <floOppe> ty for help!
[21:17] <b1ack0p> there are more than 1 same app in app store
[21:17] <b1ack0p> why is that so?
[21:17] <b1ack0p> for example inkscape
[21:17] <b1ack0p> blinder
[21:17] <OerHeks> software store tells if it s a snap, or deb
[21:18] <b1ack0p> so 1 deb 1 snap for same app?
[21:18] <b1ack0p> yes u are right
[21:18] <OerHeks> b1ack0p, yes, that happens, stable tested, or from a developer/packager  a newer version
[21:18] <b1ack0p> 1- source : ubuntu-bionic-universe
[21:18] <OerHeks> and in snap there are levels too, stable, testing and such
[21:18] <b1ack0p> 2- source : snap store
[21:19] <OerHeks> check snapcraft page for details
[21:19] <b1ack0p> which one is better or stable?
[21:19] <b1ack0p> or preferred?
[21:19] <OerHeks> snaps update with their own mechanism, that is a plus
[21:20] <OerHeks> but if you want stable and maybe not all new functions, go fro deb
[21:20] <b1ack0p> why different packages in ubuntu?
[21:20] <b1ack0p> i mean snap and deb is confusing..
[21:20] <OerHeks> because snaps are integrated too
[21:21] <b1ack0p> i mean 1 of them is not necessary
[21:21] <OerHeks> i would like to see an option for deb/deb+snap/deb+snap+flatpack, but that is feature
[21:21] <b1ack0p> should be snap or deb
[21:21] <OerHeks> that is your opinion :-) and that is fine
[21:21] <b1ack0p> yes
[21:22] <OerHeks> also there is app image, another ditributing system, but no updates AFAIK
[21:22] <b1ack0p> never heard
[21:22] <Alabalistic> the only downfall of using snap and flatpak on the same install is just one more deamon running
[21:22] <OerHeks> https://itsfoss.com/use-appimage-linux/
[21:22] <Alabalistic> just opinion
[21:23] <OerHeks> flatpack is still in development, lots of issues with that
[21:23] <b1ack0p> OerHeks: app image is a good idea
[21:23] <b1ack0p> global linux app
[21:23] <OerHeks> let there be choice
[21:23] <OerHeks> snap is the ubuntu way
[21:23] <b1ack0p> i didnt see any store in other distros
[21:24] <b1ack0p> only ubuntu it seems
[21:24] <b1ack0p> and app store makes it feel like macos/commercial
[21:25] <b1ack0p> i think all apps should be universal windows/mac/linux :p
[21:25] <b1ack0p> so we can play pc games in all platforms
[21:25] <jcotton> that's a tall order
[21:34] <alimsahy> hi guys
[21:57] <tatertotz> b1ack0p sounds warm and fuzzy....but since corporations by design have to make "profits"..it sound more like cinderella or snow white and the 7 small men
[21:58] <b1ack0p> tatertotz: what?
[21:58] <tatertotz> nevermind
[21:58] <b1ack0p> ok
[22:14] <Guest17408> alsa -l no sound cards available no sound on ubuntu
[22:14] <Guest17408> any help?
[22:19] <nyTnight> Can ftp (program) be removed without effecting sftp (program) on ubuntu server 18.04?  ( ie: sudo apt purge ftp )
[22:28] <nyTnight> how can I tell if one program depends on another in ubuntu 18.04?
[22:31] <TJ-> myself: "apt-cache depends <package-that-may-depend-on-another> | grep <package-to-be-removed> "
[22:36] <xamithan> Probably with an apt-cache depends packagename
[22:37] <clew> who is there.?
[22:38] <_KaszpiR_> nyTnight yeah, sftp is not really that much related to ftp
[22:39] <sappheiros> how do i terminate a process or program that's draining my cpu or ram?
[22:39] <sappheiros> frequently a webpage will freeze my computer and i've been hard-powerbutton-off as solution :(
[22:42] <_KaszpiR_> kill <process_id>
[22:42] <_KaszpiR_> or if you're not asking politely then kill -9 <process_id>
[22:42] <_KaszpiR_> find process id in second column form left using ps -aux
[22:45] <sappheiros> _KaszpiR_: falkon & output `[2] 2078` but then `kill 2078` returned 'bash: kill: (2078) - No such process'
[22:45] <sappheiros> what is that number if not a process id?
[22:49] <rfm> sappheiros, it's the process id of the process the shell started; that process could fork another process to do the actual work and then exit, so some other process id is what's running.
[22:50] <sappheiros> how am i to know what process ID to use with the kill command?
[22:50] <sappheiros> oh, looks like 'pkill'
[22:50] <rfm> sappheiros, I find "top" the most convenent way to find a runaway process
[22:51] <sappheiros> i just 'pkill falkon' and instead of returning the process id, it terminated the program -- and then it automatically restarted!!
[22:52] <rfm> sappheiros, I always find pkill a little scary since it will kill all the matching processes, though in this case there probably aren't any "falkon" processes running you don't want to kill
[23:01] <jbg_> hi
[23:02] <jdr> Are there any store bought machines that ship with linux installed? I know Dell has the XPS line of laptops...
[23:02] <sappheiros> i just opened featherpad but how do i find it in `top`?
[23:02] <Alabalistic> System 76 in USA
[23:02] <jdr> Thank ya Alabalistic
[23:03] <Alabalistic> https://system76.com/
[23:03] <jbg_> hi, sorry to bother you with this  html question, but it's harder to google than I thought. I went to https://news.sky.com/watch-live  . If you go there, you will see that the background is mostly white. I just wanted to make my own of night mode and change it to #0000000. I opened dev tools in Chrome, edited it from pagecolor"#ffffff" but nothing happend. What should I do?
[23:03] <sappheiros> i found it for a moment, but `top` keeps changing
[23:03] <sappheiros> jbg_: try #chrome ?
[23:04] <Alabalistic> https://www.entroware.com/store/ for Europe
[23:04] <sappheiros> featherpad isn't showing up in `top` any more :( kill doesn't seem a good means to unfreeze a computer
[23:04] <jdr> I'm in the lower US.
[23:04] <jdr> Checking s76 stuff out of right no
[23:04] <jdr> *out right now
[23:05] <Alabalistic> Linux Mint official website there is some interesting no moving parts small form pc
[23:06] <jdr> I like their Thelio model, but not with that gaudy wood grain stuff on the front of the case.
[23:06] <sappheiros> jdr: paint it a different color :D
[23:07] <jdr> haha yes. We have a dude in town that does hydrodipping, so I guess that would be an option
[23:09] <Alabalistic> Thelio model is the new buzz in all Linux Podcasts, everybody love it
[23:22] <Guest17408> how do i reload sound card drivers if not being recognized in ubuntu?
[23:26] <Goop> How do you install luasql-mysql on a Ubuntu machine for Lua5.2 using Luarocks?
[23:26] <Alabalistic> try cold reset, shutdown , remove all power battery etc. and press the start botton for at least 30 sec. Often solve hardware problems
[23:31] <Alabalistic> @Goop do you have installed tthe Luarocks?
[23:31] <Goop> Alabalistic, yes.
[23:31] <Goop> Alabalistic, every time I install luasql-mysql, it installs it for Lua5.1, when I need Lua5.2. I have even tried the --lua-version=5.2 flag.
[23:31] <Alabalistic> try this: uarocks install luasql-mysql
[23:33] <Alabalistic> sorry no idea
[23:45] <sere_> anyone know how to get facebook to work with pidgin
[23:48] <Franknog> sere_: I feel like they said they were going to support XMPP, but then went back after less than a year
[23:48] <Franknog> sere_: I had it working once, but have long since deleted FB
[23:49] <sere_> Franknog:  I used the purple facebook plugin recently but cant seem to get it to work now