[00:40] <Unit193> I remembered, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental/+packages is supposed to be only devel release, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages was for past.
[00:40] <Unit193> Past == current, lts.
[00:40] <Unit193> Oh well.
[00:41] <bluesabre> :)
[00:41] <bluesabre> working on packaging -session now
[00:41] <Unit193> I had a note about that one...
[00:41] <Unit193> Oh yes!  Please drop the duplicate line.
[00:44] <Unit193>  debian/55xfce4-session etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[00:44] <Unit193>  debian/defaults.list etc/xfce4/
[00:44] <Unit193> +debian/55xfce4-session etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[00:44] <bluesabre> Will do
[00:45] <Unit193> (I was looking http://deriv.debian.net/Ubuntu/patches/x/xfce4-session/xfce4-session_4.12.1-6_xfce4-session_4.12.1-6ubuntu1.debian.patch)
[00:46] <Unit193> If I may, now might be a handy time to  light-locker | xfce4-screensaver | xscreensaver  :>
[00:46]  * Unit193 shuts it, now.
[02:03] <bluesabre> Unit193: all good suggestions :)
[02:04] <bluesabre> I think I have the merge/new release/cleanup package ready... going to test before sending off to eoan
[02:40] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Drop session splash property, no longer available as of xfce4-session 4.13.2 @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=4e99049190d936f45ac5faa80804d0b75f1ef920 (by Sean Davis)
[02:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, sorry I never got around to putting it into a good list, http://paste.openstack.org/show/0LjyD2RzIoKjsz7k2V31 is all I have so far.
[03:03] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks!
[03:11] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Release xubuntu-default-settings 19.10 @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=d930fd068580eb50baeebe14664751eab79863df (by Sean Davis)
[03:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: it doesn't get said enough, but thanks for all the help you give with packaging (and many other things)... it keeps everything running smoothly :)
[03:23] <Unit193> Hey, you do work upstream, I just gotta make sure I do something!  I'm glad I can help.
[03:24] <Unit193> Gah, xfce4-panel uses AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR not AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIRS. :/
[03:25] <bluesabre> Uploaded a new xfce4-session, xubuntu-default-settings, and xubuntu-artwork to eoan. Time for bed!
[06:50] <ochosi> Unit193: indeed, agreed with bluesabre - thanks a bunch!
[06:51] <ochosi> if you guys have patches for session we should/could upstream lemme know
[06:56] <Unit193> ochosi: Not that you didn't already know, but confirmed that the new panel fixes my issue. \o/
[07:01] <ochosi> noice :)
[07:01] <ochosi> regarding AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIRS please submit a patch if you can
[07:11] <Unit193> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/commit/?id=08ad6d120129f10e2c94a151962981e6e30509f8
[07:18] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: Xfce 4.14pre1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-Xfce-4-14pre1-released-tp53656.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[07:18] <ochosi> ok pushed
[07:19] <ochosi> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/commit/?id=52fc8b90713590f90a2811e0ee15e777734054b3
[07:19] <Unit193> Thanks!
[07:19] <Unit193> Now to find the rest of them. :/
[07:24] <ochosi> :)
[07:42] <Unit193> Going to push xfconf with gsettings package available to experimental, I think.
[07:42] <Unit193> (It can't harm anything, if nothing else then remove the package. :P)
[10:47] <bluesabre> huh https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/xfwm4
[10:49] <bluesabre> One thing I see is that we should likely enable colord support in the -settings build
[10:50] <bluesabre> not sure what other new flags and optional features we need to enable across the board
[16:39] <k3dar7> hi, can please anyone say me if Xfce 4.14pre will be avaiable in PPA also for 18.04? (=latest LTS) thx :-)
[22:04] <k3dar7>  hi, can please anyone say me if Xfce 4.14pre will be avaiable in PPA also for 18.04? (=latest LTS) thx :-)
[22:06] <Unit193> Not really, 'Long Term Support' and the concept of highly stable release doesn't exactly mix well with a pre-release desktop.
[22:07] <Unit193> More specifically: Thunar in 18.04 is GTK2, if you push the GTK3 one to a PPA any plugins built for the former will no longer function, meaning every one in the archive.
[22:10] <k3dar7> Unit193: thx for answer, but from xubuntu-dev i already have in 18.04 most Xfce 4.12/13 packages in GTk3, Thunar 1.8.4 is i think too GTk3:
[22:10] <k3dar7> ldd `which thunar` | grep -i gtk
[22:10] <k3dar7> 	libgtk-3.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0 (0x00007f178b6e0000)
[22:12] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=bionic not from ours.
[22:21] <k3dar7> ok, now is not in ours repository, but sure i intall it from it before ;-) timestamp of thunar 20190306-0037, package version 1.8.4-1~18.04
[22:21] <k3dar7> and in /usr/share/doc/thunar/changelog.Debian.gz i see your nick ;-)  -- Unit 193 <unit193@ubuntu.com>  Tue, 05 Mar 2019 18:37:02 -0500
[22:22] <k3dar7> btw: sorry, timestamp is in CET
[22:23] <Unit193> Only other place I push things is my own https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xfce/+packages, I may have backported it to experimental during some testing or something, but it shouldn't have been in March..Huh.
[22:23] <k3dar7> yes, i have set all ours ppa's ;-)
[22:25] <k3dar7> btw: now i manually build from source thunar-xfce-4.14pre1.tar.gz and run ok
[22:29] <k3dar7> in apt log i only see installed thunar_1.8.4-1~18.04_amd64.deb, but not from what ppa, sure not from your persolal, strange :-)
[22:29] <k3dar7> anyway, sure you not add 18.04 as target for build? to experimanetal xubuntu-dev ppa?
[22:31] <Unit193> I mean if Sean tells me to then sure, but I dislike long commitments, so I try to keep the experimental desktop only on the latest release.
[22:34] <Unit193> Hrm, most everything is already there, so if folks are fine with breakage...
[22:37] <k3dar7> i sure fine with total breakage of me system, not problem ;-) as i say, i have (>=half year) enabled all ours ppa for latest Xfce package installed, and none problem, only before some month i miss some package, and someone make build after i ask, also i test reborn thunar-shares-plugin from source and same people add after this to ppa :-)
[22:38] <k3dar7> if is not possible add build for 18.04 then i build all xfce packages from git self, but is sure better have it from ppa :)
[22:40] <Unit193> Yeah I remember thunar-shares-plugin, that was me too.  I keep it in extras now.
[22:43] <k3dar7> oh, it's you, i'm sorry i forgot :-)
[22:43] <Unit193> Meh, nicks are hard, I don't mind that you forgot.
[22:53] <Unit193> Hrm, how many gtk2 plugins are there for the panel in bionic..
[22:53] <Unit193> A lot, OK maybe not that one.
[22:56] <k3dar7> i don't know :-) but xfce4-panel i have 4.13.3-1ubuntu1~18.04 a this is already GTk3 and all plugins (i use) work wine :-)
[22:56] <Unit193> ..OK, now where did you get *that*?
[22:57] <k3dar7> all from xubuntu-dev ppa's ;-)
[22:59] <k3dar7> is on me primary/alldays notebook where i run update every day, then if someone put package in experimental ppa, i have updated :) if next day is removed i don't know but package ofcourse keep installed :)
[23:00] <Unit193> ...Perhaps run  LANG=C apt list | grep ed,loc  ?
[23:00] <k3dar7> https://pastebin.com/raw/qSmszUZC
[23:01] <k3dar7> from "dpkg -l | grep -i xfce"
[23:02] <Unit193> Actually, the command I wrote should list all the packages that can no longer be fetched.
[23:03] <k3dar7> i know, i make list before you write :-) here is what you ask: https://pastebin.com/raw/piMYKsaF
[23:03] <k3dar7> (with removed non-xfce packages)
[23:04] <Unit193> ...Huh, that's odd.
[23:04] <k3dar7> desktop i have superstable with this :-)
[23:07] <k3dar7> btw: now i try manualy make all this packages https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.14/xfce_4.14pre1
[23:07] <k3dar7> and see if is buildable on 18.04...
[23:10] <Unit193> Well, I'm actually pulling thunar back to 18.04 after all, just not the panel.
[23:22] <k3dar7> thanks :-) any chance you pulling back for 18.04 also others 4.14pre1 packages? :)
[23:23] <k3dar7> in me simply test, xfce4-panel is not build, but i hope because have bad/older -dev packages?
[23:24] <Unit193> Everything except the panel is, so far.
[23:26] <k3dar7> ah, your best :-)
[23:27] <Unit193> (xfce4-panel would just require too many rebuilds, and isn't like how thunar handles it.)
[23:27] <Unit193> ochosi: Right, so remember how I said no backporting to Bionic?  Well looks like I lied, only xfce4-panel didn't make it.
[23:44] <k3dar7> Unit193: i reload desktop after upgrade and at first look, work fine :-) thanks again
[23:48] <k3dar7> Unit193: can you please also add xfce4-terminal and xfdesktop4?
[23:49] <Unit193> Terminal is complicated because of vte incompatibilities, xfdesktop is just waiting for thunar to publish.