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| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer[m]: yes headphones are a thing... and jack doesn't deal with it. It is ok to make that a bug :) | 19:38 |
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| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer[m]: with regard to keyboard volum controls, I do think We can fix that. I would call that a -desktop bug. I don't have a keyboard with volume controls to play with. | 19:41 |
| m_ad[m] | isn't there a option to add shortcuts to control the volume with those? | 19:47 |
| OvenWerks | Not an obvious one... but yes. | 19:47 |
| OvenWerks | The volumcontrol sets this based on what pulse tells them the default output is | 19:48 |
| OvenWerks | Thats not a great idea. So normally the volume control deals with hw:0,0,0 | 19:48 |
| m_ad[m] | On KDE it's easy to set up shortcuts to control the volume but on Xfce i'm struggling to find that and get it done | 19:49 |
| OvenWerks | Pulse does have a @default which is always right. | 19:49 |
| OvenWerks | If I had a keyboard with Volume controls... | 19:50 |
| * OvenWerks keyboard is old enough to have an xt-at switch... | 19:50 | |
| m_ad[m] | i guess that's really old? | 19:51 |
| OvenWerks | early 1980s I guess | 19:51 |
| OvenWerks | Full size din plug on it and real switches. | 19:52 |
| m_ad[m] | holy keystrokes Batman | 19:52 |
| OvenWerks | But yeah, knowing the volume up and down key names is the most important part of making a shortcut | 20:02 |
| OvenWerks | pactl set-sink-volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ +1db | 20:05 |
| OvenWerks | or something close to that | 20:05 |
| OvenWerks | Actually that works. change to -1db for down of course. | 20:06 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: It's not a -desktop bug. xfce4-volumed automatically detects whether or not you have media controls on your keyboard and assigns them regardless of keyboard shortcuts. Unfortunately, it does not survive a backend change. Afaik, it's a known bug. | 20:33 |
| Eickmeyer | Xubuntu suffers from the exact same problem. | 20:34 |
| OvenWerks | But if there is a keyboard shortcut in desktop that should override ? | 20:34 |
| Eickmeyer | Nope. xfce4-volumed does not depend on keyboard shortchuts. | 20:35 |
| OvenWerks | I understand that, but adding a shortcut may still work around it... maybe it will send both commands | 20:37 |
| OvenWerks | In which version did it start not working? | 20:38 |
| Eickmeyer | I don't remember. I know I found the fix from something 2016-2017-ish. | 20:38 |
| Eickmeyer | The problem is that not all keyboards send the same thing for the volume controls. | 20:38 |
| OvenWerks | :P | 20:39 |
| OvenWerks | Is there a small set of what they do send? | 20:39 |
| Eickmeyer | I don't know. | 20:39 |
| OvenWerks | if it's only one or two or at least less than 10 and those ten are unique, it would be no problem. | 20:40 |
| Eickmeyer | I think a decent workaround would be to have -controls do something like "if ${XDG_DESKTOP}=="XFCE"; then killall xfce4-volumed; xfce4-volumed; fi". | 20:41 |
| Eickmeyer | ^when "Stop Jack" is pressed." | 20:41 |
| OvenWerks | EEEww... | 20:41 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah. It sucks. | 20:41 |
| OvenWerks | smells anyway. | 20:42 |
| Eickmeyer | Very, very stinky, but the problem is that xfce4-volumed wasn't designed with Jack in mind. | 20:42 |
| OvenWerks | Actually it is just incorrect, it should use @DEFAULT_SINK@ as the device | 20:44 |
| Eickmeyer | As it does, but for some strange reason it doesn't survive a sink change. | 20:45 |
| Eickmeyer | The process just hangs, and has to be killed. | 20:45 |
| OvenWerks | Hmm The first person I talked to said it was using raw device names | 20:50 |
| OvenWerks | like 0,0,0 | 20:50 |
| OvenWerks | or 0 actually. | 20:50 |
| OvenWerks | of course I have not gotten pactl set-sink-volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ +1db to not work here... | 20:51 |
| OvenWerks | (18.04) | 20:51 |
| OvenWerks | playing on 16.04 on my wife's computer. using Key-Mon it just shows "Vol+" and "Vol-" however when I make a short cut, it is shown as XF86AudioRaiseVolume | 21:05 |
| Eickmeyer | Found it. bug 1291855 | 21:05 |
| ubottu | bug 1291855 in xfce4-volumed (Ubuntu) "After pulseaudio restart, volume keys no longer work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1291855 | 21:05 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: my understanding has always been that system or DE shortcuts grab the key stroke before any application sees it (causes trouble in Ardour) | 21:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Yes, but if we're using xfce, then the xfce "official" way is xfce4-volumed handles the volume control. | 21:07 |
| OvenWerks | So does using the mouse wheel on top of the controller icon also not work? | 21:08 |
| Eickmeyer | No, that works too, but people would rather use the volume keys sometimes. | 21:09 |
| * OvenWerks has never had that happen | 21:09 | |
| OvenWerks | so the mouse wheel works but the keys don't? | 21:09 |
| Eickmeyer | Yes. | 21:09 |
| OvenWerks | I would think the applet would use the same command for both. | 21:10 |
| Eickmeyer | Hence the ancient bug report. | 21:10 |
| Eickmeyer | Looking at the package, there has been no bump in version number for several cycles, so the bug hasn't been addressed afaik. | 21:10 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm hoping bluesabre has some insight. | 21:11 |
| OvenWerks | <property name="XF86AudioRaiseVolume" type="string" value="pactl set-sink- | 21:14 |
| OvenWerks | volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ +1db"/> | 21:15 |
| OvenWerks | add to /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml | 21:16 |
| OvenWerks | The problem should go away. | 21:16 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay, so, according to Unit193 and brainwash, they don't even use xfce4-volumed anymore. They use xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin. | 21:16 |
| Eickmeyer | That handles the problem. | 21:17 |
| Eickmeyer | xfce4-volumed needs to be removed from our seed. | 21:17 |
| OvenWerks | hello bitrot | 21:17 |
| Eickmeyer | Yep. | 21:17 |
| Eickmeyer | Which means we need to remove xfce4-volumed from our seed, make sure we have xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin in our seed, and make sure it's in the default panel. | 21:18 |
| OvenWerks | The problem with our setup is that all the machines in the house that xfce run jackd from session start. | 21:18 |
| OvenWerks | The one we have is an indicator so it puts itself in the panel by itself. | 21:19 |
| Eickmeyer | That's probably indicator-sound, which is also subject to bitrot, and needs to be removed from the seed. | 21:19 |
| * Eickmeyer is noticing Xfce is getting less and less friendly to Jack | 21:20 | |
| OvenWerks | So long as there is something there... and it does work. | 21:20 |
| * OvenWerks puts his Yf's machine back the way it was... | 21:21 | |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah. Well, if it's working for Xubuntu, then it'll work for us. | 21:21 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: This too: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15332 | 21:25 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 15332 in General "Automatically reconnect to PulseAudio" [Normal,New] | 21:25 |
| Eickmeyer | Looks like there's a patch. | 21:25 |
| OvenWerks | If it's using dbus to connect and control, dbus should do that for the application | 21:31 |
| OvenWerks | In otherwords sending a command message to pulse should make it start if it is stopped and it should not matter if the running instance is the same one or not. | 21:32 |
| Eickmeyer | So, shoddy coding? | 21:33 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: just wondering if we should make a bunch of menu categories that are X-us-custom | 23:46 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: What would that do? | 23:59 |
| * Eickmeyer needs examples | 23:59 | |
| OvenWerks | Well it would make it really easy for our menu-item editor to place items exactly where th euser wants | 23:59 |
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