[03:31] <moniker-> tomreyn and what would be command from grub command line to add that?
[03:32] <tomreyn> !kernelparm | moniker-
[03:32] <moniker-> have in mind i dont know much about linux, so everything is new to me
[03:33] <moniker-> right now since i have boot loop, all i can do is inside grub press e to edit commands before booting or c for a command-line
[03:34] <tomreyn> moniker-: i think this documentation is beginner friendly, but let me know if something's unclear after you read it.
[03:34] <tomreyn> it does cover your situation
[03:35] <moniker-> hmm i tried this adding forcepae -- forcepae after quiet splah in there
[03:35] <moniker-> and then pressed ctrl+x or f10 to boot and still boot loop
[03:36] <moniker-> im pretty sure it's forcepae issue since not too long ago i had some old hp laptop with pentium m and they told me i have to add forcepae line but back then it looked different
[03:37] <moniker-> dunno why it is bootlooping now on this acer with pentium m and intel 915gm
[03:37] <tomreyn> if the boot loop continues, this suggests the issue you have there cannot be circumvented by using the "forcepae" boot option.
[03:38] <moniker-> oh, but livecd booted fine?
[03:38] <moniker-> i added forcepae -- forcepae into livecd boot
[03:38] <moniker-> and then installed on hdd
[03:39] <moniker-> would livecd work if there was other issue beside forcepae?
[03:40] <tomreyn> are you saying that a live cd *of the same ubuntu version, flavour / variant and architecture* booted fine once you added the forcepae kernel boot parameter, but not without using it?
[03:41] <moniker-> no, i haven't tried without the parameter cause i immediately assumed i have to put it since i have pentium m... ill try booting now without any parameter
[03:43] <moniker-> btw lubuntu is 18.04 32bit which is i believe same version i installed on that other old laptop
[03:46] <moniker-> so i try to boot cd now without adding parameter forcepae and it seemed to boot but then mid boot while still having booting logo on screen now seems it's stuck
[03:46] <tomreyn> pentium m was 32-bit only, so using a 32-bit installaer is correct.
[03:46] <moniker-> it's not reading cd anymore and just standing still... ill think ill reset and boot livecd again but this time with forcepae parameter to see
[03:48] <moniker-> so at boot i press f6 for "other options" then esc and then i have the line ending with "quiet splash ---"
[03:48] <moniker-> dunno why are 3 ---
[03:49] <moniker-> so now i will delete those 3 --- and write instead forcepae -- forcepae
[03:50] <moniker-> and lets see if it will boot into desktop now
[03:50] <moniker-> (it should, thats how i installed it yesterday)
[03:53] <moniker-> it takes time it's slow reading from cd... but stil reading didnt freeze now
[04:01] <tomreyn> i'm afraid i'm not certain whether it should be two or three dashes. i'd personally keep what's there, so 3, by the time i start the installer with the goal of creating a persistent installation.
[04:02] <tomreyn> my understanding is that, had this worked out, your existing ubuntu installation would already have had the forcepae option set in /etc/default/grub , so i assume it didn't work out.
[04:04] <moniker-> yeah i dont remember editing grub last time i was doing this... only during booting
[04:05] <moniker-> so im gettting a bunch of errors on screen now... dont remember if it was like this yesterday
[04:05] <moniker-> i guess it's still booting
[04:06] <moniker-> some i/o errors, dev loop0, sector 13745216
[04:06] <moniker-> and SQUASHFS error: squashfs_read_data failed to read block 0xsomething
[04:06] <moniker-> maybe it's not reading properly the dvd
[04:07] <moniker-> i think ill reboot again
[04:09] <tomreyn> have you considered booting off a usb attached storage instead? personally i find those to be generally more reliable and often faster than optical media
 Did you try reflashing another usb boot drive and booting from the drive as a test?
 I'm wondering if the hdd is having failures
[04:10] <tomreyn> these error messages suggest that either the dvd wasn't written properly, or wasn't read from properly.
[04:10] <moniker-> i have but didn't work first time around when i used my multiboot usb that usually works.. that's why i resorted to using this old rewritable dvd
 If you boot from a usb drive you can probably see if the hdd is having issues
 I see
 Try the boot drive and then install directly from the boot drive
[04:11] <tomreyn> i haven't seen any indication of hdd errors, yet
[04:11] <moniker-> hdd seems to be fine
[04:11] <moniker-> installed windows 7 on it prior to this
 That's good
 Maybe it's just a bad dvd r then
[04:12] <moniker-> ok im rebooting and this time i used 3 ---
[04:12] <moniker-> and i also wiped dvd with a cloth for better reading
[04:12] <moniker-> it worked yesterday so it should work today
[04:12] <moniker-> you know what
[04:13] <moniker-> it may have been me using 2 -- yesterdday
[04:13] <moniker-> no im wrong
[04:13] <moniker-> i still get AE_NOT_FOUND at start of boot
[04:13] <moniker-> but that's fine i think
[04:15] <tomreyn> AE_NOT_FOUND is a potentially critical ACPI error.
[04:16] <moniker-> and im in desktop!
[04:16] <moniker-> see it works
[04:16] <moniker-> it was just badly reading dvd first time
[04:16] <moniker-> so if im in desktop now clearly forcepae should work no?
[04:17] <moniker-> i have now option to install ubuntu 18.10
[04:17] <moniker-> hmm dunno why i was saying 18.04
[04:17] <moniker-> it's actually 18.10
[04:17] <moniker-> so is this confirmation it should work if livecd works?
[04:18] <tomreyn> why would you use 18.10?
[04:18] <moniker-> mind you i already did another old laptop with pentium m and installed lubuntu and it worked fine
[04:18] <moniker-> why not?
[04:18] <tomreyn> !18.10
[04:18] <moniker-> it's latest no?
[04:19] <tomreyn> the latest lubuntu release is 19.04 according to https://lubuntu.me/
[04:19] <moniker-> no i mean latest 32bit
[04:19] <moniker-> 19.04 doesnt support 32bit anymore
[04:19] <moniker-> ok lets say i install 18.04 for long term support, but still would that be a problem for boot loop? i dont think so
[04:19] <tomreyn> right, but then 18.10 is supported until july, which is 2 months.
[04:20] <moniker-> can i reinstall 18.04 over the 18.10?
[04:20] <moniker-> just delete partition
[04:20] <tomreyn> as much time as you're sepnding on installing on prehistoric hardware right  now i assume you'd like it to be supported for as long as possible before i386 dies for good.
[04:21] <tomreyn> you can always just install any other ubuntu version, yes.
[04:21] <tomreyn> (fully replacing what's already there)
[04:21] <moniker-> yes i wasnt thinking about support yesterday so i made a mistake i should have installed 18.04
[04:22] <moniker-> so in installl i just delete old lubuntu partition?
[04:22] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL
[04:22] <tomreyn> maybe this can help choosing the right ubuntu release.
[04:23] <moniker-> lets not get sidetracked plz
[04:23] <moniker-> the issue right now isn't what long term support to install but whether that would solve bootloop or not
[04:23] <moniker-> do you think it might?
[04:24] <tomreyn> you can just delete the lubuntu partitions, yes
[04:24] <moniker-> alright im downloading 18.04 and will burn dvd and install and see how it goes
[04:25] <moniker-> but you still havent answered my question.. if livecd booted fine to desktop it should mean distro should work when installed on hdd as well right?
[04:25] <moniker-> you keep dodging that one
[04:25] <tomreyn> i have no experience working with pre intel core 2 hardware on current ubuntu releases
[04:25] <moniker-> i had few months ago and it worked wonderfully thats why im installing it on this one now too
[04:25] <moniker-> it worked faster than windows xp + it had latest firefox
[04:26] <tomreyn> livecd boots a bit differently than a real installation, so if a live cd boots fine in a certain mode it can hint on a physical installation booting the same way, but it's not exactly the same thing.
[04:27] <moniker-> alright, this laptop has intel 915gm chipset... are there known problems with that perhaps?
[04:27] <moniker-> you probably dont know from the top of your head
 Well there's always other Linux distros like linux mint and even tiny linux too. It's just we have to move forward with hardware too
 Even after July*
[04:28] <moniker-> since i have old hardware i searched for most lightweight distro
[04:28] <moniker-> just to try it out and see
[04:28] <moniker-> and ended up with lubuntu and worked really well i was so impressed
[04:29] <moniker-> so would like to do same on this laptop
[04:29] <moniker-> oh there are some other very lightweight distros but they seemed to have no hardware acceleration in terms of video playback
[04:29] <moniker-> and youtube playback is important
[04:29] <moniker-> so something like puppylinux or something similar is worse
[04:31] <moniker-> on old laptop i couldnt install windows 7 it was that old.. on this one i managed, so now i wanna compare performance between the two win7 and lubuntu
[04:35] <moniker-> so i burned dvd and now am trying to install it
[04:35] <moniker-> it should just overwrite old grub boot menu right?
[04:35] <moniker-> and hopefully still keep booting to win7
[04:46] <moniker-> hmm it's long reading... maybe again errors during reading
 Puppy Linux is so hit or miss imo
 I've tried it and been there
 Had a better experience with damn tiny Linux and Linux mint
 Even better you could get used to terminal apps and not even use x and only use it for videos
 That opens up the world of using server based isos too
[04:53] <moniker-> mind you the goal is installing relatively modern OS for browsing internet and watching youtube
[04:54] <moniker-> if watching youtube is even bareable considering it's gonna be slow
[04:55] <moniker-> this is taking too long... when i wiped dvd it booted faster... im gonna reset and wipe dvd again and reboot
 True. Honestly a ThinkPad x200 or x220 might be a better way to go. The room for upgrading it is pretty good and pretty reasonable from ebay
 Just saying that's a usual Linux favorite
[04:57] <moniker-> dont have options to buy anything, just using what i've got
[04:58] <moniker-> but ill have it in mind that thinkpads are the way to go
[05:24] <moniker-> uff had troubles booting dvd... non stop reading errors i guess... finally after thorough wiping it booted fast
[05:24] <moniker-> i guess ill be installing lubuntu 18.04 now
[05:24] <moniker-> it's an old rewritable dvd..
[05:28] <tomreyn> again, why dont you use a usb storage?
[05:29] <moniker-> i tried and it wouldn't boot from the one i had in this laptop... didn't try other one
[05:30] <moniker-> but it was setup with multiboot software
[05:30] <moniker-> never had issue booting till now
[05:30] <tomreyn> you seem to like to complicate things rather than keeping them simple.
[05:31] <moniker-> why would you say that
[05:31] <moniker-> if something is setup, and has worked flawlessly wouldn't that be the simplest option?
[05:32] <moniker-> your reasoning is not very b right
[05:32] <moniker-> just cause now it doesn't work doesn't invalidate all the previous times
[05:33] <moniker-> people generally work with something they are familiar with first
[05:33] <moniker-> because stepping into the unknown potentially causes more troubles
[05:33] <tomreyn> i agree that if you have experience with things working well in a certain setup then it's indeed sane to keep using the sane setup, even if it bears more complexity. but when things start failing, i'd always try to comply with the "KISS principle" and try the least complex route.
[05:33] <moniker-> so the evaluation of what someone likes to complicate is off here
[05:34] <moniker-> and unnecessary to begin with
[05:35] <moniker-> the fact im trying to make this old laptop usable could be interpreted as "likeing to complicate things" by someone
[05:35] <moniker-> so what?
[05:35] <tomreyn> ignore me, keep going, i'll do the same.
[05:35] <moniker-> you are not familliar with situation im in to then properly evaluate what is complicating and what isnt
[05:36] <moniker-> someone would just throw away old laptop and never mess with it
[05:36] <moniker-> and go buy new one
[05:40] <moniker-> all that being said you were right that i continued to try to boot obviously problematic dvdrw and should have focused more time to find another usbkey and try to make it bootable without multiboot software which would probably work
[05:40] <moniker-> so i did that now, i managed to find another usbkey and just flashed iso on it
[05:42] <moniker-> at the time i didn't have access to another usbkey and only had my own with already setup multiboot so i wasnt gonna delete that
[05:43] <moniker-> could it be it didn't copy all files properly yesterday from this problematic dvd and maybe that was causing bootloop
[05:43] <moniker-> hmm
[05:43] <moniker-> we'll see now after i install 18.04
[05:45] <moniker-> nice it's immediately giving option to "erase ubuntu 18.10 and reinstall"
[05:46] <moniker-> so hopefully this will only touch ubuntu partition and not windows 7
[05:47] <moniker-> linux environment isn't very visual...
[05:49] <moniker-> hmm UI seems different in this version
[05:54] <moniker-> since im not linux user... what happens with distro that stops getting support?
[05:54] <moniker-> for example 18.10 that i installed previously.. it would end soon and then what
[05:55] <moniker-> would you still be able to install latest firefox?
[05:55] <moniker-> or would that stop as well
[05:55] <moniker-> like i imagine support to be mostly concerned with security fixes
[05:55] <moniker-> but what about software?
[06:03] <moniker-> this time after installing... it seems to be booting.. and yes im in desktop
[06:04] <moniker-> i can only speculate that it didn't copy properly that dvd at install yesterday... because it seems to me less likely there should be some major reason why 18.04 boots while 18.10 doesnt
[06:18] <guiverc> moniker-, late in a non-LTS release's cycle; you get the option to release-upgrade to the next release (18.10 goes to 19.04).  sometime after EOL; the software repos are moved from archieves.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com meaning apt/dpkg tools stop working unless you switch. x86 18.10 can upgrade to 19.04, but will x86 support keep going?  we don't know, so 18.04 LTS is likely best for x86 only
[06:19] <moniker-> wait even tho there is no 19.04 32bit release, once you do have 18.10 32bit you would be able to upgrade?
[06:19] <guiverc> fyi:  i tested 18.10 & 19.04 pre-release qa-tests on pentium m; so I'd assume it was a bad write & recomment check-install-media option to validate your write.
[06:19] <moniker-> i think so too.. probably bad media
[06:19] <moniker-> but installer didnt complain at all
[06:20] <moniker-> everything installed without alerting me to any errors
[06:20] <moniker-> well... at least how i would imagine i would be alerted, i have very little linux experience im a windows user
[06:20] <guiverc> moniker-, if it's a bad download, or bad write - you cannot trust the installer (thus no messages may not be good!)  i always validate media before i install/rely-on-it
[06:20] <moniker-> no, download was good
[06:21] <moniker-> ok, and what about this upgrade to 19 32bit
[06:21] <moniker-> you think that would be possible?
[06:23] <guiverc> i have 19.04 (there is no Ubuntu 19) running on x86 only pentium m box; but I only tested 'live' on pentium m; note: i said we don't know when x86 support will completely end; 18.04 is supported to 2021.april; will 19.04 go to 19.10? then to 20.04?  it's good to 19.04 yes.
[06:23] <moniker-> can 18.04 be upgraded t 19 as well?
[06:23] <guiverc> sorry 19.04 running on pentium 4 box (not pentium m)
[06:24] <moniker-> and what happens when support ends... can you still use firefox?
[06:24] <guiverc> there is no lubuntu 19.  18.04 will upgrade to 18.10 (but due to DEsktop change; a re-install is probably better!), 18.10 to 19.04
[06:27] <guiverc> moniker-, note: "The most major and notable problem is that upgrading Lubuntu from 18.04 to 18.10 causes a fair amount of issues. Therefore, we are not officially supporting this upgrade path at this time, however we have prepared a page in the Lubuntu Manual which can help address the problems that arise after the upgrade."  (from official release notes for 18.10)
[06:27] <moniker-> alright reinstall is no problem since i have nothing on it
[06:28] <guiverc> moniker-, i justed noted in manual too; "Unfortunately with main Ubuntu dropping 32-bit upgrades, 32-bit upgrades after Lubuntu 18.04 are not supported."  https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html?highlight=upgrade
[06:29] <moniker-> so how did you manage to upgrade 18.10 to 19.04
[06:29] <moniker-> ohhh you mean upgrades from 18.04 are not supported, but from 18.10 still are
[06:30] <guiverc> moniker-, just fyi:  you can re-install from ISO without loosing much; use 'something-else' (or advanced), use same partitions & ensure 'no format' is selected; it'll take note of added apps, wipe system dirs (not user!), install, re-add added aps (if from ubuntu repos), thus user data isn't touched - note: still backup & ensure you don't have format ticked/enabled
[06:30] <moniker-> i see
[06:31] <guiverc> moniker-, my 19.04 x86 install was via daily iso; the server upgrades commands are still there (just unsupported!)
[06:32] <moniker-> and what commands are those... how would i upgrade?
[06:33] <guiverc> i was talking about `do-release-upgrade`.  i still use 18.04 on a t43 (thinkpad); the x86 box I was talking about before was only a test-install (which is rarely used now lubuntu dropped x86 iso's)
[08:10] <moniker-> tomreyn, guiverc and others thx for your assistance!
[09:53] <moniker-> umm i installed lubuntu 18.10 but i dont see how to update the system, seems this option is missing?!
[09:54] <moniker-> oh i think this is done through muon package manager or something
[09:54] <moniker-> actually there is "Discover" tool that seems to offer some updates
 use Discover it's great
 else you can use the following command from terminal.
 sudo apt update
 sudo apt upgrade
 Hello  Guys!
 How can I configure the Login screen
 LXQT Configuration Center?
 No, it isn't in the configuration center yet. Check out this manual page for info on SDDM configuration https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/3.1/3.1.9/sddm_configuration.html
[17:07] <qwebirc20278> hi
[17:08] <qwebirc20278> someone can help me, how to load this driver? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man4/if_msk.4freebsd.html
[17:09] <qwebirc20278> i prefer the loader.conf way, but I don't find the file
[17:24] <pcybertech> hello
 @qwebirc20278 [<qwebirc20278> i prefer the loader.conf way, but I don't find the file], Use "where loader.conf" command to find the file
[19:01] <fishcooker> i have 2 pc; A and B... i want  to backup the A folder to B using rsync afaik the eth card have 100MB and 1000MB but i got the limit on 1.12MB how to make the speed up to 100MB more closely
[19:01] <fishcooker> i think i got the limit
[19:02] <fishcooker> *the speed limit on 1.12
[19:02] <fishcooker> why not in 12.5
[21:58] <danieru98> where can I find what packages install lubuntu minimal?
[22:48] <fishcooker> wxl is it possible from 18.04 upgraded to 19.04?
[22:48] <fishcooker> then do install lxqt?
[22:51] <fishcooker> i have issue with dingo live-cd
[23:02] <fishcooker> btw no efi system partition found...the installation may fail... should i have efi system partiition?
[23:04] <fishcooker> my dual booting will be windows 7 and ubuntu