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seb128good morning desktopers05:41
didrocksgood morning06:03
dufluMorning seb128 and didrocks06:45
didrockshey duflu06:46
Wimpresso/06:46
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:53
dufluHi oSoMoN and Wimpress06:53
oSoMoNhello duflu06:54
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didrockssalut oSoMoN07:13
seb128hey duflu, Wimpress, how are you?07:16
seb128lut didrocks oSoMoN en forme ?07:16
dufluTrevinho, excellent work with CI07:16
Trevinhoduflu: thanks :)07:16
dufluseb128,  I am finally feeling mostly good. How are you?07:16
seb128I'm good07:16
Trevinhohopefully there it will catch also some memory errors we randomly were getting07:16
Trevinhohi seb12807:17
seb128quite some rain, I'm glad I took the umbrella to go to drop the kid for the day07:17
Trevinhoso far valgrind runs quite happily in the test suite either07:17
dufluValgrind with exit 1 on errors07:18
duflu?07:18
duflu--exit-on-first-error=yes07:18
dufluor similar, Trevinho?07:18
dufluor just --error-exitcode=107:19
didrocksseb128: ça va, et toi ?07:19
seb128ça va !07:19
Trevinhoduflu: mh, I've been just using meson test with `--wrap` valgrind07:20
dufluTrevinho, I would recommend --error-exitcode=1 or else it might pass still with errors07:20
Trevinhoduflu: well, looking at the logs of the errors, no one was related to mutter though, all lower level stuff which are probably false positive07:21
oSoMoNsalut didrocks, seb12807:21
dufluOK, too soon07:21
Trevinhobut in general `MALLOC_CHECK_` does the same these days07:21
dufluMALLOC_CHECK_ is a weak and fast check, not as useful as Valgrind07:22
dufluThe former is also delayed, so might not crash in the location of the error07:22
dufluMALLOC_CHECK_ is most useful on the customer's machine in production when you don't have other debugging tools07:24
dufluor can't afford a major slowdown07:25
marcustomlinsonmorning seb128 didrocks duflu Wimpress oSoMoN Trevinho07:33
dufluMorning marcustomlinson07:33
dufluand marcustomlinson_07:34
seb128hey marcustomlinson, how are you? had a good long w.e?07:34
marcustomlinsonyeah was great thanks! Have a good average length weekend seb128?07:34
oSoMoNgood morning marcustomlinson07:34
seb128yeah, w.e was nice. We didn't do anything fancy but it was relaxing07:35
marcustomlinsonmuch the same yeah07:35
marcustomlinson"relaxing" with a 3 year old is not quite what relaxing used to be though... :P07:36
didrockshey marcustomlinson!07:36
didrockszfs 0.8 is out \o/ quite some good timing :)07:45
seb128enjoy the update :)07:49
didrockswondering if we should handle it directly, I'll ask cking, debian also has rc4 in unstable (missed rc5 apparently)07:50
didrocksif we have good relationship on that package, I don't want to go over other people :)07:50
didrocks(also, there are some big changes, so ensuring the update is correct is tricky)07:51
* didrocks cross fingers as well that not too many changes in the golang binding will be needed for libzfs07:51
ckingi'm going to get the current 0.7.x version working with 5.2 first, then once the debian version 0.8 is out I'll sync them up. I'm concerned about regressions moving to 0.8-rc versions07:51
seb128we are not in an hurry to land it in the archive so yeah it makes sense to let the time to let Debian&co to look at it/comment first07:52
didrockscking: hey! So you think that 0.8 final will be quickly packaged in debian, the maintainance is active there?07:52
didrockscking: yeah, I was wondering if you wanted to backport the 5.2 patches in 0.7, they landed post-release for 0.807:53
ckingI'm backporting the 5.1/5.2 kernel compat fixes to 0.7.12 first and then move to 0.8 once it's in debian07:53
didrockscking: thanks! Let's see how it goes, if you need any help, jibel and I looked at the generator and the new systemd units which are fixing some races on boot07:54
ckingnormally there are also some regression fixes to new releases a little while after a new release, so I'm always very careful not to jump to the latest release until I know it's OK07:54
didrocksyeah ;) as people only start to test after releases on real system and not RC… :)07:54
ckingI hate file systems eating data :-)07:54
didrocksor it makes you loving your backups :p07:54
ckingheh07:55
didrocksdo not hesitate if you need any help!07:55
didrocksseb128: yeah, the only thing I'm a little bit scared of is incompatibility in the bindings, but we can figure that out (just not too close from FF)07:55
ckingdidrocks, ok, i hope to get zfs with the 5.2 kernel out this week, but it takes me a day or so to ensure it passes all the regression tests07:55
didrockscking: are there some automated tests out of autopkgtests? I'm wondering if we add systemd units/change initramfs if there are some stuff in addition to autopkgtests we can run07:56
ckingdidrocks, I can send you my testing howto07:56
didrocksthat would be great, thanks!07:57
Laneyyo de yo08:02
didrocksmorning Laney, how was your week-end?08:04
oSoMoNyo Laney08:05
seb128hey Laney, how are you? had a nice long w.e?08:06
RAOFOooh, a release of zfs 0.8? Time to look at what it would take to integrate encryption with lxd!08:08
RAOFHello all!08:09
Laneymoin didrocks oSoMoN seb12808:09
Laneyyes very good, we went to the beach on saturday and there was even some sun :>08:09
Laneywhat about you? can you even remember it or is it too far in the past?08:15
Laneysorry, got distracted by j_uliank08:15
didrocksLaney: sounds nice! Martin is sick since Friday and so, plans were cancelled, can't wait for him to feel better again08:16
didrocksRAOF: hey! Yeah, native encryption \o/08:16
didrocksalso can send directly encrypted dataset for backup :p08:16
Laney:(08:17
RAOFdidrocks: yeah, I built an encrypted storage pool for a test LXD system. It worked! Although you needed to manually poke LXD a bit.08:19
RAOF(with 0.8rc3)08:20
seb128Laney, w.e was good, most relaxing. It was really nice and sunny here on saturday as well :)08:23
didrocksRAOF: sounds nice!08:26
didrockscking: thx for the notes!08:27
seb128marcustomlinson, do you know what's the status of snaps that need gtk 3.24? do we change them to build gtk themself for now? I'm trying to figure out if we can update epiphany, upstream is unhappy about us shipping an outdated version (which has a bug which makes some menu items not available on Disco)08:28
marcustomlinsonseb128: hmm, yeah we have to build gtk in for a later version08:28
marcustomlinsonbut it's a bit of a b**tch08:29
seb128well I guess we had it figured it out for some snaps so it's a simple copy/paste exercice at this point?08:29
dufluTis the time of day for LP to time out08:30
marcustomlinsonI'm not sure that we've completely worked it out just yet, I'm in the process of that now08:30
marcustomlinsonseb128: but yeah, one could copy it from the build-snap08:30
dufluMorning Laney08:30
dufluEvening RAOF08:30
marcustomlinsonseb128: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-3-28-1804-sdk/blob/master/snapcraft.yaml08:30
marcustomlinsonline 29108:31
seb128ah08:31
seb128we don't have any snap on 3.24 today?08:31
marcustomlinsonkenvandine would know the answer to that08:32
seb128k, let's wait for him to be up then08:32
seb128thx marcustomlinson08:32
marcustomlinsonseb128: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/support-for-gtk-3-24/9782/908:35
marcustomlinsonfrom that response, looks like the build snap does aim to be the example. But ken will know if anything has changed over the last 3 months08:36
seb128right08:37
Laneyseb128: did you mean to upload that epiphany to debian too, or did you use the wrong version number?09:34
GunnarHjHi seb128, after a long chat and some additions to the test case, sil2100 is willing to review bug #1768166 on behalf of the SRU team. Do you have time to sponsor? https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/ibus-libpinyin10:40
ubot5bug 1768166 in libpinyin (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Random crashes " [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176816610:40
GunnarHjseb128: Btw, we concluded that it should be uploaded for now to both bionic and cosmic.10:43
sil2100Cosmic as well since even though we don't really care 'much' about it since it's EOL, but backports like these have higher versions and I'm worried about upgrade paths through cosmic to disco10:55
seb128Laney, crap, I first meant to update to Debian but then I realized the situation was weird in Debian with a 3.32 hacked and not in experimental, so I changed to upload to Ubuntu and forgot to change the version, sorry11:21
seb128GunnarHj, hey, I'm a bit busy today/tomorrow, if you can try another sponsor that would be nice, otherwise I try to have a look once I'm done catching up with my current todolist11:22
seb128Laney, are you looking at those updates as well now/going to do the bionic SRU? or just asking?11:24
* seb128 doesn't want to dup work11:24
Laneyseb128: no11:24
seb128k, thx11:25
Laneythat would be worth trying to get into buster11:26
seb128how does one do that?11:26
seb128I've been disconnected enough from Debian that I don't know the process for freeze exception11:27
seb128(unsure I've been active around a Debian freeze ever in fact)11:27
* seb128 reads https://release.debian.org/buster/freeze_policy.html11:29
Laneythat's the one11:31
GunnarHjseb128: Ok, I'll ask tsimonq2.11:38
GunnarHjtsimonq2: Hi Simon! Wondering if you can sponsor bug #1768166? It has been carefully pre-reviewed by the SRU-team. Proposed uploads in https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/ibus-libpinyin . Ask you to upload to both bionic and cosmic.11:38
ubot5bug 1768166 in libpinyin (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Random crashes " [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176816611:38
kenvandineseb128: the gtk branch?  That was there to prevent it from trying to build gtk412:41
kenvandineat least at the time12:41
kenvandinei'm sure there's a newer stable branch now12:42
kenvandinemarcustomlinson: ^^12:42
seb128kenvandine, hey, the question was gtk 3.24 (which was have since cosmic), that's apparently what is blocking us from update epiphany-browser (didi you see the upstream blog post about Ubuntu shipped outdated/buggy version, that included the snap)12:46
kenvandineah12:51
kenvandineyeah, i probably pinned that branch back during the cosmic cycle :)12:51
marcustomlinsonkenvandine: that is the latest stable branch12:52
seb128no it's not?12:52
kenvandineyes it is12:56
kenvandine3.24.8 is the latest in the 3 series12:57
seb128kenvandine, sorry, I though that comment was about epiphany-browser, not gtk :)13:27
seb128so can we update that one?13:27
seb128ok, it's that time of the week13:30
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-05-2813:30
meetingologyMeeting started Tue May 28 13:30:08 2019 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.13:30
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seb128Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel (out), kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)13:30
kenvandineo/13:30
marcustomlinsonpresent13:30
oSoMoNol/13:31
Trevinho0/13:31
seb128hope everyone is having a good start of week13:31
seb128let's get started :)13:31
seb128oh, earlier morning Marco!13:31
seb128#topic rls-bb-bugs13:31
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didrockshey13:31
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:31
seb128no desktop material13:31
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:32
seb128so that list has a few13:33
seb128the n-m ones are leftover of the SRU that regressed/got reverted, I'm going to assign to Till who is working on that13:33
seb128bug #182594013:34
ubot5bug 1825940 in linux (Ubuntu) "[graphics] Enable ICL" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182594013:34
seb128tjaalton, ^ should that be assigned to you?13:35
seb128assuming so, shout/ping me if that's wrong13:35
seb128bug #183002213:36
ubot5bug 1830022 in cups (Ubuntu Disco) "DirtyCleanInterval should be 0 by default" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183002213:36
seb128dgadomski, hey, should that be assigned to you?13:36
dgadomskiseb128: hey, I'd appreciate tkamppeter's opinion on this one13:36
seb128dgadomski, also please respect the process, either tag as rls-nn-incoming for reviews if you work on a fix and decide to target then please assign to yourself directly13:37
Laneysounds like Incomplete13:37
seb128yeah13:37
seb128also the targetting sound wrong, I'm going to delete those lines13:37
seb128dgadomski, please tag rls-nn-incoming once it's understood if you feel like that needs proper serie tracking13:37
seb128next13:37
seb128japenese new era on some packages13:38
seb128it's probably something we should do so nominations sound right13:38
tjaaltonseb128: done13:38
seb128does anyone fancy learning a bit about the topic and deal with those changes?13:38
Laneyc_yphermox set all that up, have you checked it isn't being handled already?13:39
seb128no I didn't, I will after the meeting and find an assignee if needed13:40
oSoMoNI had a brief look at the bug and at least the poppler-data part needs some upstream work13:40
seb128thx for pointing that out!13:40
seb128ok, next cosmic13:40
seb128#topic rls-cc-bugs13:40
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:40
seb128no desktop13:40
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:41
seb128same japense era13:41
seb128that's it13:41
seb128#topic rls-dd-bugs13:41
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:41
seb128still no desktop!13:41
kenvandine:)13:41
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:41
seb128same japenese era13:42
seb128that's it13:42
seb128#topic rls-ee-bugs13:42
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:42
seb128there is one buggy g-c-c entry, marking that one invalid (I meant to do that from previous week, I had a look to the code and then forgot)13:43
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:43
seb128that's in shape13:43
seb128#topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages13:43
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seb128https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages13:43
seb128nothing there, the only entry seems an infra problem13:44
tkamppeterdgadomski, seb128, I have posted about bug 1830022 in the CUPS upstream mailing list now, let us see what Mike Sweet (CUPS upstream author) will say about this.13:44
ubot5bug 1830022 in cups (Ubuntu) "DirtyCleanInterval should be 0 by default" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183002213:44
seb128#topic AOB13:44
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seb128tkamppeter, thx13:44
seb128other topics?13:44
didrockso/13:44
didrocksso, there are 3 MIRs which needs action/discussion13:45
didrockshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-dbus-proxy/+bug/1811824 -> got an ACK, just waiting on dep on it13:45
ubot5Launchpad bug 1811824 in xdg-dbus-proxy (Ubuntu) "[MIR] xdg-dbus-proxy" [Undecided,Incomplete]13:45
didrockshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libbluray/+bug/1746629 -> was requested by jbicha, do we still want this?13:45
ubot5Launchpad bug 1746629 in libbluray (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libbluray" [Undecided,Incomplete]13:45
didrockshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usbguard/+bug/1816548 -> it's a NACK for now AFAIK13:45
ubot5Launchpad bug 1816548 in usbguard (Ubuntu) "[MIR] usbguard" [Undecided,Incomplete]13:45
kenvandinedidrocks: i'll look at xdg-dbus-proxy13:46
kenvandinei think we will need it soonish13:46
didrockskenvandine: poke seb or myself once the dep is added so that we promote it13:46
didrocks(thx)13:46
didrocksI don't see strong reasons for libbluray, we don't have it for 8 years…13:47
didrocks(and it doesn't do decryption, unsure how uself this is)13:47
didrocksuseful*13:47
Laneystill a delta13:47
didrocksI guess seb is more aware of the topic for the last one13:47
didrockstrue13:47
seb128didrocks, libblueray is not important but it's an easy one it would lower some Debian delta and enable a feature which exists upstream/in other distro13:47
didrocksLaney: wait to handle it so that we remove that delta? :)13:47
seb128but if it's*13:48
didrocksI guess it's just a confirmation that requests are fitted13:48
seb128it's a wishlist but still valid13:48
seb128yes they are13:48
Laneyit's not actually a proper delta btw13:48
seb128usbguard is on review/discussion on the GNOME side13:48
Laneya conditional thing in the rules file13:48
seb128we have work to do from the security team review though13:48
Laneystill it's a feature delta13:48
didrocksseb128: good, I'll answer that in our next week meeting13:48
seb128didrocks, thx!13:49
didrocksLaney: if you can just ack that all is good in the bug, I'm happy to port that in our next meeting13:49
seb128usbguard is probably to push forward this cycle if we want  it for the LTS13:49
Laneyk13:49
didrocksagreed13:49
didrocksthanks Laney & seb12813:49
didrocksthat was it for me13:49
seb128thx for the reminder didrocks, usbguards slipped a bit from my mind and I didn't include it in the planning, I should13:50
seb128other topics?13:50
seb128seems not13:50
seb128let's wrap then, thanks everyone!13:50
seb128#endmeeting13:50
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seb128kenvandine, marcustomlinson, so what was the outcome of snaps needing gtk 3.24 / updating epiphany-browser? I did deal with updating the deb in bionic/cosmic/eoan now and I would like to go back to upstream being able to tell them we sorted out the issues raised, but we need to fix the snap as well for that20:24
kenvandineseb128: i haven't had a chance to look at it20:25
kenvandinemarcustomlinson: can you have a look?  maybe tomorrow morning?20:26
marcustomlinsonkenvandine: sure, can you point me to the repo20:26
kenvandineseb128: i suspect the answer will be building gtk as a part, but that is a can of worms :)20:26
seb128kenvandine, but you expect that to be easy? marcus was pointing out a snapcraft post earlier from feb that was stating that gtk 3.24 would come through the build snap20:26
seb128kenvandine, we don't have any snap using gtk 3.24 today?20:26
kenvandinebut the build snap isn't ready yet20:26
kenvandinenope20:27
kenvandinebut we need it20:27
seb128woh20:27
marcustomlinsonseb128: so the build snap is WIP20:27
seb128I though most GNOME apps would have had that depends by now20:27
marcustomlinsonmy WIP. That said, I'm in a good position to look at this then20:27
kenvandinenope20:27
seb128k20:27
seb128well don't worry guys20:27
seb128I will go back to them telling that we sorted out the debs20:27
marcustomlinsonseb128: no seriously I will do it tomorrow20:28
seb128I mentioned that the snap situation was probably more complex since our framework is based on bionic20:28
seb128they seemed really surprised by it20:28
seb128"so snap can't even get a recent gtk" :/20:28
kenvandinei think marcustomlinson is in a good position to sort that out now though20:28
seb128marcustomlinson, k, let me know how it goes, thx!20:28
seb128\o/20:28
marcustomlinsonseb128: could you point me to the repo20:28
marcustomlinsonwith the snapcraft.yaml20:29
kenvandinehttps://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/epiphany/+git/snap/20:29
kenvandinei think20:29
seb128marcustomlinson, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+snap/epiphany20:29
seb128ah, same thing20:29
kenvandinemarcustomlinson: it's actually not a bad test case :)20:29
marcustomlinsonk cool. My major fear is that it will not be compatible with the runtimes in the platform snap20:30
kenvandinemaybe...20:30
kenvandinebut, newer libgtk should be fine20:30
marcustomlinsonyeah I'll give it a go20:30
kenvandinebuilding it is more of the issue20:31
kenvandinebundling the newer libgtk is safer, as long as it's loaded first20:31
kenvandinewhich might be an issue :)20:31
kenvandinemight need to flip the LD_LIBRARY_PATH order :)20:31
seb128kenvandine, marcustomlinson, thanks!20:31
marcustomlinsongonna call it a night now though. cheers!20:32
seb128same here, night!21:00
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