[18:33] OvenWerks: Sorry about that, had to go do some chores. [18:33] Speaking of MuseScore, I had looked at upgrading it to 3, but looks like that's already in progress and I should probably leave well-enough alone: https://musescore.org/en/node/281650 [18:34] Seems like we have a lot being held-up because of the freeze in Debian. [18:47] Eickmeyer: should we have another PPA for releases that are not yet into debian/ubuntu [18:47] Backports are current release that older releases use. [18:48] ubuntustudio-ppa/extras? [18:48] new or proposed I think [18:48] extras is for sw debian/ubuntu will never have [18:49] or at least are not contemplating right now [18:49] * OvenWerks is trying to think logically [18:57] Yeah. [18:57] Sorry, phone call. [18:57] Never a dull moment. [18:58] ubuntustudio-ppa/incoming? [20:03] That would work for me yes [20:04] * OvenWerks has to get ready to take his Yf to work. [20:04] Oh, one last thing. Are we going to also try releasing the rest of the packages fairly soon? [20:05] _controls, -menu, default-settings and (brimming with hope) menu-add [20:07] I think menu-adds selling point is that it is the least intrusive menu manipulation tool available [20:07] I am still waiting for Wimpress and bluesabre for new versions of their menu editors as well. [20:08] but think menu-add is important enough to release [20:09] It makes almost no assumptions about the system or DE [21:03] OvenWerks: I was planning on releasing -default-setings, but that's about it for now. Do you want to release -controls? [21:40] how else will they get testing? [21:42] Unless someone does some testing on -controls and menu-add and finds some bugs, I figure they are done for the cycle [21:50] Nah, I'll go ahead and do the release. [22:10] OvenWerks: Just released -default-settings -controls, and -menu to Eoan. [22:11] Looks like I'll need to bump the version number for -controls. [22:11] yes, all of the packages need a version bump to release [22:11] That is what keeps autobuilds and real releases in sync [22:12] in fact it may be worth while turning auto builds off on released packages until at least one change has been made. [22:13] one change beyond release [22:22] Well, in this case the only reason I need to version bump is because Ross had already bumped for -controls when he pushed it the other day. So, the new changes will start with 1.8.1. [22:22] falktx says he is just releaseing new jack2 [22:22] Cool. I think that syncs from Debian? [22:23] ok. [22:23] it should... but who knows when... something for incoming already... [22:23] ubuntustudio-ppa/incoming I should say [22:25] Right. I'm a little leery of putting that in though since it's not a simple application, but an entire audio backend. [22:26] I think the big deal is that it is now fully compatable with jack1... so includes a2jmidid and maybe even zita-ajbridging. [22:27] though to be honest, the zita-ajbridging is maybe better separate anyway unless they can be added and removed without shutting jack down and restarting. [22:31] in incoming should be ok. It is not a ppa people should hook up to by default though [22:32] Ok. I'll work on making incoming a thing at least. [22:32] backports yes, auto never :) [22:32] Wiht autobuilds I tend to DL the package I want and dpkg -i it. [22:33] Ah. I see. [22:34] People are not yet used to backports... the use of other PPAs should be a slow learn thing [22:35] autobuilds is for testing only, not for daily use. [22:35] backports is for releases. [22:35] Yes. [22:36] incoming is for sw that has been released elsewhere but has not made it through the debian gauntlet [22:37] Makes sense. [22:37] The idea of backports and incoming is to allow people to remain on a LTS release but still have up to date media development software [22:38] so the desktop and OS are known to be stable and supported. [22:38] with backports and incoming, we take over the the support. [22:39] (untill next LTS) [22:40] Right. What's nice is that the IRC support team in #ubuntu is willing to support Studio 18.04 as long as Backports is enabled. [22:40] Back in a bit.