[18:33] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Sorry about that, had to go do some chores.
[18:33] <Eickmeyer> Speaking of MuseScore, I had looked at upgrading it to 3, but looks like that's already in progress and I should probably leave well-enough alone: https://musescore.org/en/node/281650
[18:34] <Eickmeyer> Seems like we have a lot being held-up because of the freeze in Debian.
[18:47] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: should we have another PPA for releases that are not yet into debian/ubuntu
[18:47] <OvenWerks> Backports are current release that older releases use.
[18:48] <Eickmeyer> ubuntustudio-ppa/extras?
[18:48] <OvenWerks> new or proposed I think
[18:48] <OvenWerks> extras is for sw debian/ubuntu will never have
[18:49] <OvenWerks> or at least are not contemplating right now
[18:49]  * OvenWerks is trying to think logically
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> Yeah.
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> Sorry, phone call.
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> Never a dull moment.
[18:58] <Eickmeyer> ubuntustudio-ppa/incoming?
[20:03] <OvenWerks> That would work for me yes
[20:04]  * OvenWerks has to get ready to take his Yf to work.
[20:04] <OvenWerks> Oh, one last thing. Are we going to also try releasing the rest of the packages fairly soon?
[20:05] <OvenWerks> _controls, -menu, default-settings and (brimming with hope) menu-add
[20:07] <OvenWerks> I think menu-adds selling point is that it is the least intrusive menu manipulation tool available
[20:07] <OvenWerks> I am still waiting for Wimpress and bluesabre for new versions of their menu editors as well.
[20:08] <OvenWerks> but think menu-add is important enough to release
[20:09] <OvenWerks> It makes almost no assumptions about the system or DE
[21:03] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I was planning on releasing -default-setings, but that's about it for now. Do you want to release -controls?
[21:40] <OvenWerks> how else will they get testing?
[21:42] <OvenWerks> Unless someone does some testing on -controls and menu-add and finds some bugs, I figure they are done for the cycle
[21:50] <Eickmeyer> Nah, I'll go ahead and do the release.
[22:10] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Just released -default-settings -controls, and -menu to Eoan.
[22:11] <Eickmeyer> Looks like I'll need to bump the version number for -controls.
[22:11] <OvenWerks> yes, all of the packages need a version bump to release
[22:11] <OvenWerks> That is what keeps autobuilds and real releases in sync
[22:12] <OvenWerks> in fact it may be worth while turning auto builds off on released packages until at least one change has been made.
[22:13] <OvenWerks> one change beyond release
[22:22] <Eickmeyer> Well, in this case the only reason I need to version bump is because Ross had already bumped for -controls when he pushed it the other day. So, the new changes will start with 1.8.1.
[22:22] <OvenWerks> falktx says he is just releaseing new jack2
[22:22] <Eickmeyer> Cool. I think that syncs from Debian?
[22:23] <OvenWerks> ok.
[22:23] <OvenWerks> it should... but who knows when... something for incoming already...
[22:23] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-ppa/incoming I should say
[22:25] <Eickmeyer> Right. I'm a little leery of putting that in though since it's not a simple application, but an entire audio backend.
[22:26] <OvenWerks> I think the big deal is that it is now fully compatable with jack1... so includes a2jmidid and maybe even zita-ajbridging.
[22:27] <OvenWerks> though to be honest, the zita-ajbridging is maybe better separate anyway unless they can be added and removed without shutting jack down and restarting.
[22:31] <OvenWerks> in incoming should be ok. It is not a ppa people should hook up to by default though
[22:32] <Eickmeyer> Ok. I'll work on making incoming a thing at least.
[22:32] <OvenWerks> backports yes, auto never :)
[22:32] <OvenWerks> Wiht autobuilds I tend to DL the package I want and dpkg -i it.
[22:33] <Eickmeyer> Ah. I see.
[22:34] <OvenWerks> People are not yet used to backports... the use of other PPAs should be a slow learn thing
[22:35] <OvenWerks> autobuilds is for testing only, not for daily use.
[22:35] <OvenWerks> backports is for releases.
[22:35] <Eickmeyer> Yes.
[22:36] <OvenWerks> incoming is for sw that has been released elsewhere but has not made it through the debian gauntlet
[22:37] <Eickmeyer> Makes sense.
[22:37] <OvenWerks> The idea of backports and incoming is to allow people to remain on a LTS release but still have up to date media development software
[22:38] <OvenWerks> so the desktop and OS are known to be stable and supported.
[22:38] <OvenWerks> with backports and incoming, we take over the the support.
[22:39] <OvenWerks> (untill next LTS)
[22:40] <Eickmeyer> Right. What's nice is that the IRC support team in #ubuntu is willing to support Studio 18.04 as long as Backports is enabled.
[22:40] <Eickmeyer> Back in a bit.