[06:08] <didrocks> good morning
[06:28] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:33] <didrocks> salut seb128
[06:38] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[06:42] <seb128> hey didrocks Wimpress duflu, how are you today?
[06:44] <didrocks> seb128: I'm good, yourself?
[06:44] <didrocks> hey Wimpress
[06:44] <Wimpress> Very well thanks.
[06:58] <duflu> Morning didrocks, seb128 and Wimpress.
[06:58] <duflu> seb128, I just took the step of buying a large proper coffee for the afternoon. Let's see if it helps...
[06:59] <duflu> How goes seb128?
[07:00] <Wimpress> seb128 didrocks Are you both still archive admins?
[07:15] <marcustomlinson> morning all
[07:15] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:15] <didrocks> Wimpress: yes
[07:15] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[07:17] <marcustomlinson> seb128: quick question about the epiphany snap. Is there a visible issue with the app when running on the older gtk?
[07:18] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[07:20] <marcustomlinson> seb128: ah you said yesterday some menu items are not visible on Disco. I'll see if I can spot them
[08:02] <Laney> moin moiny moin moin
[08:04] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:11] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:11] <seb128> marcustomlinson, upstream wrote "Ubuntu’s GNOME Shell 3.32 does not display Epiphany 3.30’s app menu, so there’s no way to edit preferences, view history, import/export bookmarks, etc." if that helps
[08:12] <seb128> duflu, didrocks, I'm good thx!
[08:12] <marcustomlinson> seb128: yeah that helps thanks. I see that in fact
[08:12] <seb128> good
[08:12] <seb128> or rather "good" :)
[08:13] <Laney> moin duflu didrocks seb128
[08:14] <Laney> i'm alright, had a nice climb last night
[08:14] <Laney> although we knocked over one of my trees in a pot when we got home /o\
[08:14] <Laney> hope it's ok
[08:14] <Laney> you?
[08:49] <Laney> :<
[08:53] <seb128> Laney, I'm fine thx, sorry was busy looking at SRUs :-)
[08:53] <seb128> :-( for the tree
[08:53] <seb128> tjaalton, could you try to verify your meson/bionic SRU?
[08:56]  * Laney noticed seb128 playing SRU team on some of them ;-)
[08:56] <seb128> :)
[08:56] <seb128> that xenial one had been sitting for over a year without action!
[09:00] <seb128> do others also find the launchpad "tags editing" entry to be too small/annoying to use?
[09:03] <didrocks> by "too small", you mean "not long enough", not the height, correct?
[09:05] <seb128> yes
[09:06] <didrocks> yeah, it could use a longer length IMHO
[09:06] <seb128> especially for SRU where the tags are "bionic verification-needed verification-bionic-needed "
[09:06] <didrocks> yep
[09:07] <seb128> thx for confirming, I will report it (if it's not yet), I guess it's an easy tweak for a launchpad hacker
[09:07] <didrocks> it should be :)
[09:07] <seb128> I could probably try to submit a MR but I don't know where to get started to submit a fix to launchpad
[09:07] <didrocks> I guess length + buttons could be the same width than line wrapping in description and comments
[09:08] <seb128> it would probably take me an hour to get the source, find the code, etc and then I've no clue how to test a change
[09:08] <didrocks> yeah, some years ago, it was long to setup, I doubt it changed
[09:08] <didrocks> right
[09:08] <seb128> didrocks, thx for the feedback :)
[09:10] <didrocks> yw!
[09:19] <oSoMoN> fwiw I agree, the text input widget to edit tags is way too narrow
[09:28] <tjaalton> seb128: ah yes
[09:30] <seb128> tjaalton, thx
[09:30] <seb128> oSoMoN, thx
[09:56] <Wimpress> seb128 didrocks If either of you get a spare moment, please can you take a look at indicator-notifications in the Eoan NEW queue.
[09:57] <Wimpress> tsimonq2 Update the packaging and uploaded it. I'd like to seed it in Ubuntu MATE 19.10 :-)
[10:04] <RAOF> Wimpress: indicator-notifications? Is that a blast from the past?
[10:05] <Wimpress> RAOF It has been in LP for years but only available in a PPA.
[10:06] <Wimpress> It has had a few updates to in the last 18 months or so at our request.
[10:07] <Wimpress> But we're going to start contributing to the project and build it into a more complete "notifications centre"
[11:34] <seb128> k, I'm changing location, having lunch outside with the laptop, bbiab
[11:39] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: when you're in, could you please review: https://code.launchpad.net/~marcustomlinson/epiphany/+git/snap/+merge/368059
[13:07] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: reviewed, thanks!
[13:07] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: cool thank YOU
[13:09] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: could you top approve and merge for me? A rebuild and upload of the snap would be good too as the current snap is utterly broke
[13:09] <marcustomlinson> (I don't have permissions to the base repo)
[13:12] <kenvandine> merged :)
[13:12] <marcustomlinson> 👍
[13:21] <kenvandine> ugh... LP blew up
[13:21] <kenvandine> 500 error accessing the git repo
[13:22] <marcustomlinson> happens :/
[13:24]  * kenvandine tries again
[13:39] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: built :)
[13:40] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: cool, I'll grab it from candidate and double check it
[13:41] <seb128> kenvandine, marcustomlinson, wooottt :) Thx, I'm going to give it a try in a bit as well
[13:43] <oSoMoN> a browser snap, lemme test that!
[13:44] <seb128> :-)
[13:47] <oSoMoN> geolocation doesn't seem to work
[13:47] <seb128> appamor denials?
[13:47] <oSoMoN> let me see
[13:49] <oSoMoN> indeed
[13:49] <oSoMoN> msg='apparmor="DENIED" operation="dbus_method_call"  bus="system" path="/org/freedesktop/GeoClue2/Manager" interface="org.freedesktop.GeoClue2.Manager" member="GetClient" mask="send" name="org.freedesktop.GeoClue2" pid=4598 label="snap.epiphany.epiphany"
[13:50] <marcustomlinson> oSoMoN: oops
[13:50] <oSoMoN> this will need a new snapd interface
[13:53] <oSoMoN> safe browsing works, that's nice
[13:53] <seb128> indeed, I'm surprised it didn't come yet as a requirement (I don't find any mention on github and just an old post about geoclue1 on snapcraft.io)
[13:53] <oSoMoN> although the button to accept the risk and continue to the deceptive site doesn't do anything, but maybe that's a feature ;)
[13:53] <seb128> haha
[13:54] <kenvandine> there is a location related interface, but core doesn't provide it
[13:55] <kenvandine> might be locationd
[13:55] <oSoMoN> youtube 360° videos don't work, I wonder if it's just a matter of youtube refusing the serve the right content because of UA string, or missing features in that webkitgtk build
[13:55] <kenvandine> not sure if that is geoclue though
[13:56] <seb128> kenvandine, github finds no mention of GeoClue2 for the snapd project, so I guess it's not based on it
[13:57] <seb128> yeah, it's based on the ubuntu location service
[13:59] <marcustomlinson> oSoMoN: 360 videos don't look to be supported on the deb version either
[14:00] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: what does chromium do for location?
[14:01] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, it uses the google API for geolocation
[14:01] <kenvandine> of course :)
[14:04] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I have updated and tested unity-menubar.patch for firefox 68 beta 5, let me know when you push your changes to the packaging branches, and I will subsequently commit it
[14:09] <kenvandine> webgl works nicely too
[14:10] <didrocks> Wimpress: I'm a little bit uneasy with indicator-notifications copyright, it's written "inspired from Ted Gould", which means the work done in canonical. I think the copyright should reflect that and keep the original one
[14:10] <didrocks> instead of only having 2011 Jason Conti
[14:10] <didrocks> tsimonq2: FYI ^
[14:11] <didrocks> also, the original copyright was GPL3.0, so it's incorrect to relicense GPL3.0+
[14:12] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, it does, but FPS is low compared to chromium here (testing with http://webglsamples.org/aquarium/aquarium.html, 60 FPS with chromium, 20 FPS for epiphany)
[14:13] <kenvandine> i get 60 with 500 fish
[14:13] <kenvandine> but it drops way down from there
[14:14] <kenvandine> 30 at 5000 but 4 at 10000
[15:27] <seb128> kenvandine, marcustomlinson, the candidate snap for epiphany seems to work fine for me, but wouldn't it make sense to rather update stable to 3.32 instead of jumping to the unstable line? (or do you plan to rebuild 3.32 in another channel)
[15:27] <seb128> also bug #1815920
[15:28] <seb128> well, I get keyring denials which I didn't get with 3.30 before refreshing on candidate
[15:28] <kenvandine> actually we should build 3.33 to edge and 3.32 to candidate
[15:28] <kenvandine> seb128: thanks for pointing that out :)
[15:28] <seb128> np!
[15:31] <seb128> kenvandine, marcustomlinson, should probably add "password-manager-service" to the interfaces in use?
[15:32] <kenvandine> seb128: already there
[15:32] <marcustomlinson> seb128: it is there, I think it just doesnt autoconnect
[15:32] <kenvandine> not connected by default
[15:32] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: i'll take care of juggling these branches and building in the right places
[15:32] <seb128> oh, right
[15:32] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: thanks!
[15:32] <kenvandine> np
[15:34] <seb128> hum
[15:34] <seb128> why is gnome-software not giving me an "interfaces" button for the epiphany snap?
[15:34] <seb128> ah it is, it took a bit to show I think?
[15:35] <marcustomlinson> or you were looking at the deb?
[15:35] <seb128> no, for some reason the deb isn't listed in gnome-software
[15:35] <seb128> which is one of the reason upstream complained about the snap, that's where gnome-software is leading them :)
[15:36] <marcustomlinson> I see
[15:39] <Laney> is for me
[15:45] <seb128> ah, it is now, results were just slow to come without indication it was not done loading :/
[15:49] <seb128> didrocks, I tried to verify bug #1819129 but a bionic live session booted in virtualbox does include the CPU info pre-SRU ... did we validate it was an issue for bionic?
[15:52] <didrocks> seb128: good question… It's quite old, I'm pretty sure I tested on both but now my memory is fuzzy
[15:53] <didrocks> note that the issue is mostly a different json file sent by virtualbox hw emulation layer, so can be still different depending on which version of virtualbox (like the deb from their official website) that they send
[15:54] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, I have pushed the beta branches
[15:55] <seb128> didrocks, I tried disco a bit earlier on the same machine in the same VM config, just swapped the .iso and I could confirm the bug/fix
[15:55] <seb128> didrocks, anyway, I'm going to mark it verified on the basis there is no regression
[15:56] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, sounds safe. I'm very puzzled because I checked and I have a virtualbox bionic vm installed
[15:56] <didrocks> knowing that I don't use vb normally…
[15:56] <didrocks> so I tested on this…
[15:57] <seb128> didrocks, that's a live session boot, maybe some hwd enablement update since changed the behaviour
[15:57] <seb128> which isn't on the iso
[15:58] <didrocks> seb128: ah, that could explain it…
[15:58] <seb128> didrocks, thx
[15:59] <didrocks> thx for checking!
[15:59] <didrocks> ok, os-prober didn't handle ZFS at all
[15:59] <didrocks> so if you have 2 zfs install on your system -> nothing in grub, only one entry (current system)
[15:59] <didrocks> we're going to bring a *lot* of improvments :)
[15:59] <seb128> :)
[16:02] <didrocks> interesting things are happening on duplicated pool names as well :)
[16:09] <GunnarHj> seb128: I've had no success in finding a sponsor for bug #1768166. Can you put it on your list?
[16:09] <seb128> GunnarHj, I'm done for today and tomorrow is a vac day here, I will try on friday if you stll fail at finding someone
[16:10] <GunnarHj> Ok.
[17:01] <Trevinho> morning
[17:01] <Trevinho> guys
[17:02] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[17:02] <seb128> shifting tz to the west? ;)
[17:05]  * Laney saw Trevinho speaking this UK morning
[17:05] <Laney> nocturnal
[17:07] <seb128> Laney, those gbp cards, feel free to move to backlog, I was trying to be realistic and not have an endless stack of backlog cards but I guess we need a team discussion about if there is disagreement
[17:09] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: can you kick the import on gnome-3-28-1804-sdk please :)
[17:10] <kenvandine> sure
[17:13] <Laney> seb128: I think we should stop adding endless stacks of backlog cards and make it so that all things which are on there are things which are going to be worked on
[17:14] <Laney> so for things like the gbp stuff: don't add cards unless it is actually likely to be worked on
[17:16] <seb128> yeah, we should review the current list and nuke things that are not likely
[17:17] <seb128> which is sort of what I was going for when I moved those cards
[17:18] <Laney> so the problem is that we put things like that on the plan but that doesn't actually translate into someone necessarily doing it
[17:19] <seb128> right, which is what I'm trying to fix with the emails round we had this week and people estimating their feature capacity and listing their backlog
[17:19] <seb128> that's how we ended up with Trevinho deciding that there was no way he would get those items
[17:19] <Laney> k, so you think it's all in hand
[17:20] <seb128> I hope we are on the right path at least :)
[17:20] <Laney> not convinced we aren't going to go round in exactly the same circle again
[17:20] <Laney> but if you think we won't, fine
[17:20] <seb128> I might be wrong
[17:20] <seb128> if you have ideas/suggestions on what we could change that's always welcome
[17:21] <seb128> but at least we made things more obvious from the start
[17:21] <Laney> trying to make them but I'm feeling push back so not sure if I should stop
[17:21] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, all good... worked up late yes :-P
[17:21] <seb128> like Marco has 10 week of feature work and features for at least 16 weeks of work which wouldn't work
[17:21] <seb128> and resulted in me nuking those cards
[17:21] <Laney> you're talking about fixing the situation now
[17:22] <Laney> and I am trying to get you to think about how we got into an overcommtited situation in the first place
[17:22] <seb128> right
[17:22] <seb128> well I think we did by not doing that exercice of comparing our "wishlist" to our team capacity
[17:23] <Laney> so that we don't put 25 cards on the board in the paris sprint and then kill them again in 6 months time when they don't get done
[17:23] <Laney> ok, all fine then
[17:24] <seb128> hopefully :-)
[17:25] <seb128> k, on that note time for tennis!
[17:25] <Laney> I don't feel heard
[17:25] <Laney> but got to go cook
[17:25] <Laney> goodnight
[17:25] <seb128> oh, sorry
[17:25] <seb128> I probably didn't understand what you meant
[17:26] <seb128> let's try having another fresh try tomorrow/friday (unsure which day I take yet, tomorrow is a vac but I might swap it)
[17:26] <seb128> Laney, have a nice evening!
[17:47] <oSoMoN> thanks ricotz, I'm pushing the updated unity-menubar.patch now to all beta branches
[17:55] <oSoMoN> done
[18:08] <ricotz> oSoMoN, thanks
[20:21] <oSoMoN> good night all
[20:22] <kenvandine> seb128: epiphany 3.32.2 promotes to stable
[20:22] <kenvandine> and latest master  is in edge
[21:32] <seb128> kenvandine, wwooot, thx!