| duflu | RAOF, are you in WA or were just working late? | 02:04 |
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| RAOF | duflu: I was just on my phone. | 02:04 |
| duflu | Ooh, right. IRC/matrix/whatever | 02:05 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:35 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 06:10 |
| duflu | Morning didrocks and oSoMoN | 06:13 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu, salut didrocks | 06:15 |
| didrocks | how goes duflu, oSoMoN? | 06:22 |
| duflu | Going well, didrocks. You? | 06:22 |
| oSoMoN | doing fine, it's gonna be another beautiful and warm spring day, and hopefully productive, too | 06:27 |
| duflu | Saturday will be the first day of winter, and 26 degrees :) | 06:28 |
| didrocks | duflu: I'm good, thanks ;) (Sorry, was busy trello-github-carding) | 06:49 |
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| marcustomlinson | morning all | 06:59 |
| marcustomlinson | or just didrocks oSoMoN and duflu :) | 06:59 |
| duflu | Hi marcustomlinson | 07:04 |
| didrocks | hey marcustomlinson, we are "all" ;) | 07:05 |
| marcustomlinson | didrocks: ah, there's a public holiday somewhere today hey? | 07:06 |
| didrocks | marcustomlinson: yes, France & Germany at least | 07:06 |
| marcustomlinson | didrocks: oh yes, and you opted for tomorrow instead. Nice one | 07:07 |
| didrocks | yep ;) | 07:07 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:17 |
| duflu | Morning seb128 | 07:17 |
| seb128 | hey duflu | 07:18 |
| marcustomlinson | hey seb128 | 07:18 |
| seb128 | hey marcustomlinson | 07:18 |
| marcustomlinson | you're allowed to take a break hey ;p | 07:18 |
| seb128 | yeah, I'm going to swap it for tomorrow | 07:25 |
| seb128 | I didn't finish things I wanted to get done yesterday | 07:25 |
| seb128 | so better to not cut context and have a long w.e | 07:25 |
| Laney | morning! | 08:01 |
| didrocks | good morning Laney | 08:02 |
| duflu | Morning Laney | 08:02 |
| Laney | moin didrocks duflu | 08:02 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? | 08:10 |
| Laney | yo seb128 | 08:11 |
| Laney | sorry, got distracted *cough* | 08:15 |
| Laney | i'm good, we saw a nice band at the folk club last night, so i'm happy about that | 08:15 |
| Laney | you? | 08:15 |
| seb128 | I'm good! | 08:30 |
| seb128 | we were supposed to go out for dinner but the baby sitter was stucked at another place where the parents had to come back some hours later for some reasons | 08:31 |
| seb128 | so we ended up to not do that and I went to tennis instead, which was nice :) | 08:31 |
| seb128 | brb, changing location | 08:34 |
| seb128 | k, back! | 08:49 |
| Wimpress | o/ | 08:50 |
| duflu | \o | 08:51 |
| oSoMoN | \o/ | 08:51 |
| seb128 | :-) | 08:52 |
| didrocks | good morning Wimpress | 08:52 |
| seb128 | Laney, Trevinho, duflu, do you have any idea about how https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/issues/248 could be done technically? | 09:20 |
| gitbot | GNOME issue 248 in gjs "gnome-shell JS errors don't trigger report tools" [1. Enhancement, 2. Needs Information, Closed] | 09:20 |
| duflu | seb128, I think you need to dump core. So abort() etc | 09:21 |
| duflu | Or if we are after just a JS stack then maybe exit(1) ?? | 09:22 |
| seb128 | duflu, see the comments, upstream rejected that idea because it would bypass proper JS engine shutdown | 09:22 |
| duflu | seb128, yes I know. It's meant to bypass shutdown :S | 09:22 |
| duflu | Sounds like the job for a distro patch | 09:22 |
| seb128 | well, the way we do it for python we get the backtrace without having to bail out/exit | 09:23 |
| seb128 | I don't know how it's done and if the same thing would be possible in JS though | 09:23 |
| Laney | there's some kind of way to hook into the exception handler | 09:23 |
| Laney | for python | 09:23 |
| seb128 | do you know if a similar mechanism exists for js? | 09:23 |
| Laney | nope, but that is presumably something that "could" be done by gjs | 09:24 |
| duflu | That sounds desirable. gnome-shell logs stack traces all the time without exiting | 09:24 |
| Laney | nope I don't know (sorry) | 09:24 |
| seb128 | no worry, I asked in case :) | 09:24 |
| xnox | oSoMoN: jamesh: do you know how snap dependencies work, and if this is the right thing to do https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu/+merge/368102 ? cause like desktop isos should be offline snap seedable. or something like that. | 09:24 |
| Laney | (not nope there isn't) | 09:24 |
| duflu | I don't yet buy Phillip's reasoning though. We are only talking about replacing exit() with abort(). If you see leaks in either case you should ignore them | 09:25 |
| duflu | Or Philip's | 09:25 |
| seb128 | duflu, ah good point, feel free to comment about that on the gitlab issue | 09:25 |
| duflu | I mean in the latter case at least | 09:25 |
| duflu | Valgrind can only detect leaks properly using exit() | 09:26 |
| jamesh | xnox: as I understand it, snapd's seeding process is offline: it expects the set of seeded snaps to fulfil all dependencies | 09:26 |
| duflu | And to worry about leaking on exceptions only matters for caught exceptions. Uncaught exceptions don't leak because the whole process is gone | 09:26 |
| xnox | jamesh: yeah, but i don't know how to check which deps are needed. i guess i should download an iso and check? | 09:27 |
| Laney | I wouldn't get into that kind of discussion in #ubuntu-desktop | 09:27 |
| Laney | and actually personally I wouldn't push back on ptomato either unless there's someone who is actually going to work on it | 09:28 |
| jamesh | xnox: I guess you'd need to download all the snaps in the seed, and check that (a) anything referenced as a base snap is included, and (b) anything referenced by a content interface plug is included | 09:28 |
| Laney | it's not likely to result in the problem being addressed | 09:28 |
| duflu | Sounds simple enough. But I'm not starting on another tangent for now | 09:28 |
| seb128 | k, well let's keep it this way for now then | 09:28 |
| seb128 | we might get back to it if someone finds cycles/interest to poke at the problem | 09:29 |
| seb128 | duflu, Laney, thx for the input | 09:29 |
| Laney | the core dump you'd get from abort() might not even be very useful btw | 09:29 |
| Laney | i.e. you might actually want to do something from the js side | 09:30 |
| duflu | Laney, yeah it's not to use the core dump, but to actually get a problem report | 09:32 |
| duflu | If there's another way to that then great | 09:32 |
| duflu | Different topic (almost) - I wonder if we could get problem reports for ALL JavaScript stack traces that don't terminate gnome-shell | 09:32 |
| duflu | That might be very useful for statistical analysis | 09:33 |
| Laney | something like what we have with https://docs.python.org/3/library/sys.html#sys.excepthook | 09:34 |
| seb128 | I don't think we want to pop an apport dialog every time we have one of those, at least not today | 09:34 |
| Laney | that's what apport uses for python | 09:34 |
| duflu | Fair point. We may drown out crashes and not prioritise them | 09:34 |
| Laney | and it's what Philip was hinting towards with "Is there some API that could be used to trigger the reporting tool that doesn't shut down the program without cleanup?" | 09:34 |
| oSoMoN | xnox, what james_h said, base snaps and content interfaces, not sure if snapd exposes this information somehow, without requesting an actual install | 09:34 |
| Laney | I'll comment with a link to the Python thing | 09:35 |
| duflu | +1 | 09:35 |
| seb128 | Laney, thx | 09:35 |
| xnox | jamesh: oSoMoN: so i used the snap download tool from livecd-rootfs, and mounted the snap by hand, and I see inside the snap, meta/snap.yaml has things like: | 09:37 |
| xnox | gnome-3-28-1804: | 09:37 |
| xnox | default-provider: gnome-3-28-1804 | 09:37 |
| xnox | interface: content | 09:37 |
| xnox | target: $SNAP/gnome-platform | 09:37 |
| xnox | so i guess i will check all of these manually | 09:37 |
| jamesh | xnox: the default-provider: line is the important part, yeah. also base: at the top level (but that should only reference "core" or "core18") | 09:38 |
| oSoMoN | xnox, right, unfortunately it’s still very much a manual process, it'd be nice if snapd offered a way to query for "dependencies" | 09:39 |
| xnox | yeah | 09:39 |
| xnox | but it's interesting how i can use the plug mechanism to probably provide prebuilt initrds for the kernel snaps | 09:40 |
| xnox | hmmmmmm | 09:40 |
| xnox | kenvandine: jamesh: oSoMoN: it looks like gtk-common-themes is the only snap that doesn't declare "base: core18" | 09:49 |
| xnox | if it did, we would be able to build images with just: snapd core18 | 09:49 |
| xnox | but because of gtk-common-themes it looks like we will end up with: core core18 | 09:50 |
| xnox | as the required bases. | 09:50 |
| jamesh | xnox: it could probably be switched to "base: bare". While that is one extra base snap, it is 4K | 09:51 |
| xnox | oooooh | 09:52 |
| xnox | i like "base: bare" | 09:52 |
| jamesh | I guess it would also depend on whether snapd is ready to run on classic systems without "core" | 09:52 |
| xnox | never heard of it. | 09:52 |
| xnox | i believe it is. | 09:52 |
| xnox | jamesh: i guess we should experiment with like stable/ubuntu-19.10 channel first (i.e. switch gtk-common-themes to base:bare and check if we can drop dual-core) | 09:53 |
| jamesh | or just test on edge. | 09:54 |
| xnox | eoan dailies are built with stable/ubuntu-19.10 but i think we can request livefs build with an alternative channel. | 09:55 |
| xnox | (to do a one off edge build) | 09:55 |
| oSoMoN | GunnarHj, I sponsored {,ibus-}libpinyin for bionic and they're in the unapproved queue, gonna handle cosmic now | 10:18 |
| oSoMoN | and sponsored to cosmic too | 10:32 |
| kenvandine | xnox, jamesh: that is intentional. We need something to ensure core gets installed. At least at the time 19.04 shipped we still needed that. | 12:01 |
| seb128 | hey kenvandine, how are you? | 12:06 |
| kenvandine | Hey seb128 | 12:09 |
| kenvandine | I'll check with mvo to see if we can drop that yet | 12:10 |
| xnox | kenvandine: snap-tool seeds core/core18 as needed in livecd-rootfs..... ditto snapd. can you explain why it is intentional to pull in core? | 12:38 |
| kenvandine | The snapd snap wasn't quite ready to work without core installed | 12:39 |
| kenvandine | They thought it was, but there was a bug | 12:39 |
| kenvandine | Might be fixed now | 12:39 |
| kenvandine | When we switched all the snaps to core18 it broke the images | 12:40 |
| kenvandine | So we switched the themes to core just as a work around to get 19.04 out the door | 12:41 |
| kenvandine | The themes snap doesn't actually need any base | 12:41 |
| kenvandine | So that was a workaround | 12:41 |
| xnox | ah | 12:53 |
| xnox | thanks! | 12:53 |
| GunnarHj | Thanks oSoMoN! | 13:28 |
| xnox | seb128: i'm sorry, can't reply to your email i'm stuck in a loop-one singing and dancing spice girls songs, because your email had trigger words | 13:55 |
| seb128 | xnox, no worry, it's almost friday then you will be able to get some rest and recover! | 13:55 |
| xnox | seb128: seriously my facebook is impossible. their spice world tour is on now, and i'm just flooded with girl power | 14:00 |
| seb128 | click on the "X" button in the corner and be happy! | 14:02 |
| Laney | JUJUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU | 14:42 |
| Laney | ERROR profile "default": juju does not support IPv6. Disable IPv6 in LXD via: | 14:43 |
| Laney | lxc network set lxdbr0 ipv6.address none | 14:43 |
| Laney | /o\ | 14:43 |
| seb128 | :-( | 14:49 |
| seb128 | k, so in case that's interesting to someone, I hacked a sort of bionic/desktop version report mostly for GNOME components | 14:49 |
| seb128 | it's not a proper service and there are weird things like Debian version forced to 0, but it can help to see where we potentially have GNOME components that have a stable update that could be SRUed | 14:50 |
| seb128 | so mentioning it in case it's useful to others, https://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/bionic/versions.html | 14:50 |
| seb128 | or https://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/bionic/desktop.html for our set | 14:50 |
| Trevinho | morning! | 15:54 |
| oSoMoN | good morning Trevinho | 15:54 |
| Trevinho | oSoMoN: hey | 15:59 |
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| Laney | moin and bye Trevinho | 17:09 |
| Laney | seb128: sorry forgot to say earlier, nice one | 17:09 |
| * Laney has been trying to understand the crowd | 17:09 | |
| Laney | <insert that "i have no idea what i'm doing" meme? | 17:10 |
| Laney | > | 17:10 |
| Laney | byeeee | 17:10 |
| seb128 | Laney, :-) | 18:21 |
| seb128 | k, calling it a day | 18:21 |
| seb128 | which means a week since I'm off tomorrow, have a nice evening/w.e desktopers! see you on monday | 18:22 |
| sarnold | bye seb128, enjoy :) | 18:27 |
| oSoMoN | enjoy the long week-end seb128 | 19:35 |
| oSoMoN | good night all | 19:35 |
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