[00:27] <Sysifoss> Hello, I just got a new harddrive to make it my dedicated /home. My current HD is ext4 I know I probably wont notice the difference but should I use btrfs and work on switching my other harddrive over to btrfs too?
[00:28] <Sysifoss> I ask because I read that btrfs things can span across multiple disks. My main HD is 1TB and so obviously I dont need all of that for ubuntu alone and if i could make /home span the two disks that would be kind of cool to learn how to do. Thanks in advance!
[00:36] <lufi> Hi. How do you configure netplan to work using ipv4 only? I tried setting dhcp4=true and dhcp6=false but it does not work
[00:41] <mustmodify_> Installing v19 on a new laptop and I'm unsure... If I choose not to "Install third-party software for graphics and wifi hardware..." what am I going to miss out on?
[00:43] <DarkByD3sign> It just installs more repositories for drivers like wifi drivers and graphics etc. You can install them yourself it just tries to make it easier for you.
[00:43] <DarkByD3sign> Personally I'd say install it.
[00:46] <lufi> hmm so if I want to install ubuntu server on a local vm, I would use the alternative not the "live" server, right?
[00:47] <puppetmasterFPU> you can still use the live server image
[00:47] <puppetmasterFPU> just because it's a live server image, you can still install it in non-live mode
[00:48] <lufi> oh. there's an option?
[00:49] <lufi> if I installed it in a non-live mode, I can persist the hostname? (that's one of the diff between them afaik)
[00:50] <mustmodify_> @DarkByD3sign: It's asking for a password to configure Secure Boot. Under what context will I need this password in the future?
[00:50] <puppetmasterFPU> yes, before you even enter live mode you can just select "install"
[00:50] <jcotton> mustmodify_: signing drivers with a MOK
[00:50] <puppetmasterFPU> hostname, you can set that to whatever you want
[00:50] <jcotton> err modules
[00:51] <jcotton> you'll be prompted to do this for e.g. propietary nvidia drivers
[00:51] <lufi> oh ok. cool. I did not know that. I've always tried looking for the "alternative" iso everytime.
[00:51] <puppetmasterFPU> not required
[00:51] <puppetmasterFPU> most of the time, anyway
[00:51] <lufi> does installing a newer version over an existing ubuntu will upgrade the existing one?
[00:52] <lufi> trying to install 19 over 18 right now since 18 has been giving me a lot of problems regarding netplan
[00:52] <puppetmasterFPU> well you can do that from inside the existing installation by just updating the source repos
[00:52] <puppetmasterFPU> then dist-upgrade
[00:52] <jcotton> do-release-upgrade does that
[00:52] <lufi> unfortunately I cant because the network is down since I cant configure netplan properly
[00:53] <puppetmasterFPU> oh right
[00:53] <lufi> my yaml is simple dhcp4: yes
[00:53] <lufi> then tried generate and apply and it still does not work
[00:54] <lufi> so does installing over an older version is good? or is there an "update" option I need to do. I just selected Install in the UI
[00:55] <lufi> this is a server version btw. not the desktop one.
[00:55] <puppetmasterFPU> i'm not certain, no. i don't think so
[00:56] <puppetmasterFPU> it will wipe over it i believe
[00:56] <lufi> hmm crap. ok then
[00:56] <puppetmasterFPU> anyone feel free to correct me mif i'm wrong
[00:57] <lufi> crap Im already past the "installing" stage. it's asking for the user already lol.
[00:57] <cyp3d> Wondering if there is a guide for S/PDIF audio output on ubuntu18 I see lots of stackover flows just want to make sure I am doing the right thing. Was going to follow the 16.04 steps here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DigitalAC-3Pulseaudio
[01:01] <lufi> oh my god thank you it is still working. I aborted the damn installation. should've created a snapshot before fcking up everything
[01:05] <lufi> If I run do-release-upgrade. I can't specify what release I want? I should upgrade to each release?
[01:06] <lufi> for example I want 19. Im currently 18.04. I need to upgrade to 18.10 first?
[01:06] <jcotton> 19 what?
[01:06] <lufi> 19.04
[01:06] <jcotton> man page says latest release
[01:06] <jcotton> and you can't specify
[01:33] <cyp3d> ok I was able to get optical audio output by switching my profile in pavucontrol. but I had to switch the profile for my build-in digital stereo from headphones to spdif, and that is a cumbersome way to switch
[01:34] <guiverc> lufi, only LTS to next LTS, or via every release (so 18.04 to 18.10, then 18.10 to 19.04) is tested & supported.  refer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseNotes
[01:34] <cyp3d> Is there anyway I can add a duplicate built in device on my output devices (one for spdif and one for headphones out?) in pavucontrol
[01:36] <bashfulshell> hmm, why would clang-3.8 not be available on an arm64 bionic install?
[01:37] <lufi> thanks guiverc
[01:37] <lufi> seems like ill do 2 upgrades then :)
[02:08] <jtnunley> Is it possible (in Ubuntu 18) to make a wifi hotspot while still remaining connected to wifi? I want to make a point where my DS can access wifi from
[02:11] <guiverc> lufi, sorry I'm only around on occasion, but your other choice is a re-install (it's quicker; and if you use 'something-else' & ensure you don't format, it'll take note of your added apps, erase your system dirs, install, then re-add back apps you'd installed if in repos, without touching user files unless you format). it's far faster & an option.
[02:12] <lufi> guiverc! np. I did upgrade every release. It's cleaner and safer for me.
[02:21] <jpoeta2> Hello Everybody I'm sad i built a new computer...but it keeps freezing... i don't know what to do
[02:22] <jpoeta2> it can be after 2 minutes of logging in or after 10 it depends but it freezes... i don't know what i messed up in the installation
[02:22] <jpoeta2> i don't know if it was hardware or software
[02:23] <jpoeta2> :( HELP thank you
[02:30] <leftyfb> jpoeta2: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[02:30] <jpoeta2> Thank you for answering 19.04
[02:31] <jpoeta2> gnome
[02:32] <leftyfb> jpoeta2: have you tried opening the drivers utility and enabling any 3rd party drivers that might be available? Mainly video
[02:33] <jpoeta2> No but I can try... How do i do it... I'm fairly new to linux
[02:33] <leftyfb> open the drivers app
[02:33] <jpoeta2> my graphic card is HIS Radeon RX580 IceQ X2 OC 8GB GDDR5
[02:34] <leftyfb> sorry, it's called "Software & Updates" and is a tab
[02:34] <jpoeta2> I willi try to get there before it freezes
[02:35] <jpoeta2> No additionals drivers available
[02:35] <jpoeta2> No proprietary drivers are in use
[02:36] <jpoeta2> how do i know the grapics card is not faulty...
[02:36] <leftyfb> jpoeta2: personally, I recommend trying out Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
[02:36] <leftyfb> I actually have to head out. There might be someone else here that can continue helping you.
[02:36] <jpoeta2> thanks
[02:37] <jpoeta2> leftyfb
[02:37] <jpoeta2> bye
[02:38] <Bashing-om> jpoeta2: AMD drivers are now in the kernel. To see what is loaded ' sudo lshw -C display ' and look in the configuration line.
[02:39] <jpoeta2> Hi Bashing om i will do it right now
[02:39] <jpoeta2> it freezed
[02:39] <jpoeta2> before i could get to the command line
[02:40] <jpoeta2> sometimes it takes 30 seconds sometimes it freezes after 15 minutes
[02:40] <jpoeta2> it is a new built... i tried manjaro linux and it was the same
[02:41] <jpoeta2> Is there a way to load the system direct in command line to troubleshout what is wrong... thank you
[02:42] <jpoeta2> that was my first computer built... ok second because i built 2 pcs and one is working perfect
[02:42] <Bashing-om> jpoeta2: Freezing is real tough to deal with .. as generally logging is affected.. there are no logs to give a hint to what is taking place :(
[02:43] <jpoeta2> Should i take my pc to tech support or trying installing windows...?
[02:44] <jpoeta2> i did a ram check with a software called memtest86 and it was all good with the ram
[02:44] <guiverc> jpoeta2, as a new pc, I'd be tempted to run memtest for hours-day(s); firstly to test memory, but also test function of rest of motherboard (does it run that simple test)..  i do it before i install any OS
[02:44] <Bashing-om> jpoeta2: For this fresh install, did you verify the ISO and the copy to the install medium ? So we are sure there is not corruptions.
[02:46] <jpoeta2> I did but also tried manjaro and kubuntu so i think it is hardware but i would love to solve it myself and not have to pay someone i would like to to learn... ... im so frustated... because my other built is the same but works only difference the brand of the graphics card manufacturer ... and the ddram
[02:46] <jpoeta2> but all other is the same...
[02:47] <jpoeta2> motherboard b450m mortar
[02:47] <jpoeta2> amd ryzen 5 2600 six core
[02:48] <jpoeta2> 2 x DDRAM 2400Mhz 8GB
[03:21] <Brumble> Fuck you all.
[03:21] <Brumble> Ban me fuck faces.
[03:21] <Brumble> Drug talking family friendly pieces of shit.
[03:23] <Brumble> Your offtopic channel can be about drugs but I get pissed & i'm banned, fuck you.
[03:23] <Brumble> Fuck you all.
[03:23] <Brumble> Come on idiots ban me.
[03:23] <Brumble> I hate ubuntu.
[03:24] <Brumble> This scum makes it.
[03:24] <guiverc> Brumble, please grow up.
[03:24] <Brumble> You mean please be a butt kisser, no.
[03:25] <Brumble> I hate butt kissers cowards & threat throwing fucks.
[03:26] <Brumble> Opressers I hate all you fucks, years of nothing.
[03:26] <Brumble> Bye hell hole social life.
[03:30] <Brumble> Come on idiots ban me already.
[03:30] <Brumble> I'm going to mass spam your server if you don't, that's not a threat.
[03:31] <Brumble> It's a warning.
[03:31] <dax> Brumble: please go find something outside IRC to do for the rest of the day before you make your case worse than it already is
[03:31] <Brumble> No, ban me. Be like the rest.
[03:31] <Brumble> I hate people.
[03:32] <GoldenHawk_> dax: right click Brumble --> Ignore... solved XD
[03:32] <Brumble> My case is worse than an irc server.
[03:32] <Brumble> It's pieces of shit.
[03:33] <GoldenHawk_> Real problem! I'm running VirtualBox on Ubuntu. But I need to update the opengl of VboxSVGA that is currently in 2.3 version...
[03:33] <Brumble> If I don't calm down or get banned it will be bad.
[03:33] <Brumble> Do it already.
[03:33] <GoldenHawk_> I need to updated to at lest version 3...
[03:33] <dax> Brumble: then go calm down. i recommend taking a walk, that's usually what I do
[03:34] <Brumble> Ban me & I will.
[03:34] <Brumble> I don't want to be able to come here anymore.
[03:35] <Brumble> I want to lose access calm down 7 avoid social crap.
[03:36] <Brumble> Otherwise I'll be sick doing something stupid.
[03:36] <Brumble> Don't be a coward just do it already.
[03:37] <Brumble> Reverse psychology, what is this crap. I mean it do it.
[03:38] <Brumble> I want my case worse here, don't you get it, i need to lose access.
[03:39] <Brumble> I'm leaving cause everyone is too stupid to listen to advice.
[03:39] <Brumble> My meds are kicking in anyways.
[03:39] <Brumble> Bye
[04:01] <sloshy> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1046114138248876033/pu/vid/480x480/-bBtWmujMXjTJYOk.mp4
[04:20] <Styil> So in the process of installing zsh I seem to have messed up the fonts for the top bar and other gnome things on 18.04
[04:20] <Styil> I was wondering how would I fix it
[04:20] <Styil> https://i.imgur.com/KIKxrQb.png
[04:21] <Styil> https://i.imgur.com/W0f6Q69.png
[04:23] <sarnold> wow that looks terrible
[04:42] <Chaekyung> do you have a .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini with some font directive in it Styil ?
[04:43] <Chaekyung> I'm impressed with a T symbol being used as T in https://i.imgur.com/W0f6Q69.png btw. That's nice. Noti<phone>cations
[04:44] <Styil> Chaekyung, yea I installed https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts which has a number of various characters
[04:45] <Styil> either way, there is no font directive in settings.ini however Chaekyung
[04:46] <Styil> the github repo states this is a known issue but I am just wondering where gnome or whatever is running the thing in the screenshot pulls its fonts from
 i want to create a account forcing a uid, how can i do this?
[05:56] <rfm> Rembo, read "man adduser" and pay attention to the --uid option
[06:17] <Shmam> Hey does anyone know if there is an app available that allows me to use another computer as a second monitor over USB? Basically I want to have a dummy monitor on my system and somehow pass the image for that monitor over USB to another computer which has a client app displaying the images
[06:18] <Shmam> Based on some quick napkin math, it looks like USB 3.0 has enough bandwidth for a pretty decent size image if you drop it down to 20-30fps
[06:25] <Shmam> Hello?
[06:27] <rfm_> hi shmam, if you have a support question just ask it
[06:28] <Shmam> Did my question earlier come through? Something happened with my client and I got booted to the unregistered channel
[06:28] <Triffid_Hunter> Shmam: xorg has support for "dmx" (distributed multiheaded xorg) which can corral multiple computers into a single virtual display over LAN
[06:28] <Triffid_Hunter> Shmam: whether the ubuntu build enabled it is another matter however
[06:28] <blackflow> Shmam: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/169533/usb-to-vga-on-linux
[06:30] <Shmam> blackflow: the problem is that the "second display" is really just a surface that doesn't have a display input
[06:30] <Shmam> but I think it supports miracast
[06:31] <michael8888> hallo, is there any way to secure samba on public network at OS level?
[06:31] <blackflow> Shmam: then your only choice is using xorg's network support. Not sure if that can be done over USB tho. Does it have to be?
[06:32] <Shmam> blackflow: It doesn't but it does need to be over a wire (instead of a WiFi network)
[06:33] <blackflow> Shmam: sure, you can plug two computers together with a CAT cable directly even, no switches needed. Requires NICs supporting that or use a crossover cable.
[06:36] <blackflow> Shmam: and just to be sure, I was only adding on to what Triffid_Hunter said. Without dmx I don't know if you can use another computer as a _second_ monitor, but you can indeed use it as primary.
[06:36] <Shmam> Right
[06:39] <lufi> how do I setup netplan? I have "dhcp4: yes" (like this https://netplan.io/examples#using-dhcp-and-static-addressing) but it does not seem to work. journalctl says "Could not set route: Network is unreachable"
[06:39] <lufi> It does have ipv6 though even though I have "dhcp6: no" added in the yaml.
[06:40] <lufi> also, running networkctl will show the interface as "degraded" and "configuring"
[06:42] <rfm_> lufi: don't worry about the v6 addresses, the kernel sets up the auto addresses no matter what the netplan eays. shouldn't hurt anything.
[06:43] <lufi> rfm_! ok then. What about the v4 addr?
[06:43] <rfm_> lufi: are you sure there is a dhcp server running on the phys net.
[06:44] <lufi> oh yeah. I'm on a virtualbox and the adapter type is bridged
[06:44] <blackflow> lufi: did you use `netplan apply` after changing the config?
[06:45] <blackflow> s/use/run/
[06:45] <lufi> yes I did
[06:45] <lufi> netplan generate and apply
[06:45] <blackflow> and your backend is systemd-networkd?
[06:45] <lufi> then I reboot too
[06:45] <lufi> yes. thats the default right?
[06:45] <lufi> It was working before btw.
[06:45] <blackflow> on the server ISOs, yes. on the desktop it's NetworkManager
[06:46] <blackflow> lufi: before what?
[06:46] <lufi> before. earlier. it was working then it stopped.
[06:46] <lufi> maybe because its on virtualbox with bridged adapter
[06:46] <blackflow> what change did you do when it stopped?
[06:47] <lufi> nothing. the physical router was restarted.
[06:48] <lufi> hmm. yeah this is probably a virtualbox issue.
[06:48] <blackflow> lufi: please pastebin the output of `ip a` and the netplan config file.
[06:50] <lufi> ip a -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/McRQyyfttt/
[06:50] <rfm_> lufi: I have run bunches of vbox guests with bridged adapters dhcp'ing from my router, doubt this is a vbox prob
[06:50] <lufi> netplan cfg -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qVKSwGXkPh/
[06:50] <lufi> it suddenly worked after I restarted again
[06:50] <lufi> I enabled the promiscuous mode in the adapter
[06:50] <lufi> allow all
[06:51] <lufi> its in the vbox network settings btw
[06:51] <lufi> earlier. enp0s8 was disabled. then it worked so I enabled it now as you can see
[06:52] <rfm_> lufi: promisc mode only matters for network sniffers like wireshark
[06:52] <blackflow> lufi: both your nics have inets defined, so that came over dhcp?
[06:52] <blackflow> btw... is this a VM inside the virtualbox? how is the NIC set up?
[06:52] <lufi> yes. as I mentioned it worked suddenly.
[06:52] <lufi> the nic is defined in the settings
[06:53] <lufi> 1 nic is bridged to the physical nic of the host
[06:53] <lufi> 2 nic is vbox networking (enp0s8)
[06:53] <lufi> rfm_! yeah. that's why it is confusing why it worked suddenly
[06:59] <rfm_> lufi: agree it's confusing,but since we only have the output from when  it's working hard to have something useful to say. looks like your router/dhcp server was having a snit and responding slow, maybe/
[07:00] <lufi> rfm_! that too. it's been intermittent since yesterday. probably the heat? xD
[07:05] <blackflow> lufi: what drivers are you using for the NICs?
[07:05] <eugenio_> hi all is there someone who is using back-in-time?
[07:05] <lufi> blackflow! gimme a sec
[07:06] <lufi> blackflow! Dell Wireless 1550 802.11ac
[07:06] <lufi>  
[07:06] <lufi> nic 2 is the standard vbox bridge driver
[07:06] <lufi> I meant host-only adapter driver
[07:12] <_Dbug_> Hi. I'm trying to repair a server install, there was an old Ubuntu 10.04 on a secondary drive, my main (up to date) LTS drive somewhat got corrupted after a PSU failure, and after changing the PSU it's now booting on the old drive, so I do have a working (obsolete) OS I can use to repair the main one. I followed some howto to repair some superblock errors, but if I run a fsck /dev/sdb I still get a "superblock invalid, trying backup block/bad m
[07:12] <_Dbug_> agic number". Is there anything I could try to fix the system, or should just reinstall from scratch?
[07:15] <rfm_> _Dbug_: can you boot a more recent live CD? hard to believe the recent install is that bad, but 10.04 is Really Old
[07:16] <_Dbug_> I guess I can find a dvd drive to boot on, is there some repair options on the live cds?
[07:18] <rfm_> _Dbug_: sure, if you can boot the live CD it will have a option to drop into a shell (or you can just let it continue to the desktop ) then just run fsck from the shell
[07:18] <_Dbug_> Ok, I'll try that. Thanks :)
[07:20] <Sbur3> Upon booting, I get the message "Error found loading /etc/profile" followed by several "find '/usr/lib/uucp' : Permission denied".  What is the solution to that?
[07:22] <Sbur3> Is it as simple as doing some form of "chown xxx /usr/lib/uucp"?
[07:22] <rfm_> _Dbug_: while you have the livecd running, I'd run grub-install <main disk> just so it gets reset, tho if it's managing to boot the old 10.04 it can't be too broken
[07:23] <_Dbug_> I think grub is working fine, I can select between the 10.04 and the other ubuntu, except if fails with a bazillion of errors (can't find swap, inodes problems, etc...) if I select the main isntall.
[07:35] <eugenio_> any skilled user of back-in-time software? I got a problem to set the path to a NAS, can you help me?
[07:35] <Triffid_Hunter> blackflow: fwiw, all gigabit NICs support auto negotiation (as it's part of the standard afaik) so crossover cables aren't necessary
[07:41] <blackflow> Triffid_Hunter: I know. That's why I said "if the NIC supports it". I have no idea what NIC was there.
[08:08] <_Dbug_> Is "ubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso" supposed to be bootable as a live CD?
[08:10] <rory> yes _Dbug_
[08:11] <_Dbug_> Weird. I tried an old 14.04 DVD I had, I get it to boot fint (it appears in the bios boot menu as UEFI) but when I try with the freshly burnt 18:04, I don't have the UEFI option, all I get is the blinking cursor
[08:14] <rory> Unless you know that same disk works in another machine, it's probably just a dodgy burn
[08:14] <tomreyn> _Dbug_: ^ most likely this, or broken / incomplete download.
[08:14] <rory> I would recommend to use a USB flash drive, if possible.
[08:15] <_Dbug_> Guess time to check the md5
[08:15] <tomreyn> !md5
[08:17] <_Dbug_> 69809dc7e058b81bc781fe3e24d3204f *ubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso <- matches for what I can see, so probably broken burn. First one in a decade :D
[08:18] <rory> How quaint :)
[08:18] <tomreyn> i second the preference for usb flash (or better storage) over optical media. also, whichever media you'll write to, be sure to use a software which can verify the write.
[08:19] <rory> I cant even remember how to spell DVD any more, let alone burn one
[08:20] <_Dbug_> I do use an external dvd burner, stashed in a drawer, with a stack of hi quality dvds. I've a bunch of burnt dvds with various versions of OS, that's been helpful in the past, specially with a broken OS without access to the internet :)
[08:22] <_Dbug_> (I guess preferences are probably also highly related to the age of people :D)
[08:26] <_Dbug_> Ok, was a bad burn. Will teach me not using the usual software... the new one does boot fine. Thanks.
[08:26] <ankk> hi. when i install chrome on ubuntu, it uses my local language as display language automatically and when i try to change on Settings menu, the option to change display language is missing on Ubuntu.
[08:26] <ankk> There is an option on Windows to change display language but there isn't on Ubuntu Chrome version...
[08:31] <ankk> found solution. https://askubuntu.com/questions/202670/change-google-chrome-language
[08:31] <tomreyn> ankk: do you mean the proprietary chrome (not supported here), or ubuntu's open source chromium-browser?
[08:31] <rory> Chrome on Ubuntu respects the default system language
[08:31] <ankk> tomreyn: google chrome..
[08:32] <ankk> rory: :)
[08:44] <_Dbug_> Ok, I managed to boot on the live CD, not quite sure to do now. When I fsck it tells me the OS partition is "clean" but can't boot the system: https://pasteboard.co/Ih4hfe5.jpg if anyone has idea
[08:45] <tomreyn> i'd help, but this image hosting site doesn't work for me, never displays images.
[08:45] <tomreyn> probably anti-anti-anti-anti ad-blocker scripts or something.
[08:46] <_Dbug_> Damn, I would normally host that on my site... but that's my webserver that's currently dead
[08:46] <tomreyn> if you can provide a direct link to the image or, better, use text, that'd help.
[08:46] <tomreyn> imgur.com usually works fine
[08:47] <_Dbug_> https://imgur.com/Hznf945 working?
[08:47] <tomreyn> yes, the direct link would have been https://i.imgur.com/Hznf945.jpg
[08:48] <_Dbug_> sr0 is the dvd I just booted from with the 18.04 live cd. /dev/sda1 is supported to have an installed 18.04 but it does not boot anymore (psu died, fs got wonky)
[08:48] <tomreyn> sda is a raw storage, it is not a file system you can run fsck against
[08:48] <tomreyn> oh you noticed this
[08:48] <_Dbug_> I'm not quite sure what sda2 is supposed to be?
[08:49] <tomreyn> sda2 will be an extended partition boundary
[08:49] <_Dbug_> Ok, so some padding of sort?
[08:50] <tomreyn> it indicates which part of the disk is part of extended partition 'space'
[08:50] <tomreyn> ... on a classic / legacy msdos partition table
[08:51] <tomreyn> if you run    sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda    it may become more visible.
[08:52] <_Dbug_> sda1 -> Linux / sda2 -> Etended / sda5 -> Linux swap / Solaris
[08:53] <_Dbug_> Would it make sense for me to try to mount sda1 and do a full backup of the content so I get a copy of all my modified config files, etc... ?
[08:54] <tomreyn> also note that fsck against a journalled file system will just return doing nothing by default unless either (a) the file system is marked unclean, (b) you request the actual check to take place (fsck.ext4 -f /dev/sdaX)
[08:55] <_Dbug_> oh? So maybe I should run that on sda1 to force the check?
[08:56] <tomreyn> _Dbug_: what the the root issue you'Re trying to solve here? i don't think you discussed this.
[08:56] <tomreyn> i.e. why are you running fsck?
[08:57] <_Dbug_> My PSU died, when I replaced it the OS was all broken, found out that it actually booted from a secondary SSD that contained an old 10.04 install that I forgot to remove, because it could not actually boot from the main SSD that had the fully up to date 18.04 LTS
[08:57] <_Dbug_> When I tried to force boot on the main drive, I got the bootsequence telling me the filesystem was corrupted and I should run a check.
[08:58] <_Dbug_> So, for the context, this is just a webserver, so basically apache + php + mysql, with some additional stuff like SVN with WebDAV, plus some symlinks from var/www to the large HDD for the actual webcontent/domains
[08:59] <_Dbug_> (and some cron jobs to update a dyn dns)
[08:59] <cariveri> Hi. is there a way to check whether packages are installed? given a list of libs needed ?
[09:00] <_Dbug_> What I'm trying to solve is: Getting my webserver up and running again :) I checked that the webcontent was still good, it's only the actual OS drive that's not happy.
[09:01] <tomreyn> okay, so you just run:  sudo fsck.ext4 -f -C 0 /dev/sda1
[09:01] <tomreyn> _Dbug_: ^
[09:01] <tomreyn> !backup | _Dbug_
[09:01] <tomreyn> you definitely need backups.
[09:02] <_Dbug_> I was running Back in Time, but does not hurt to do a manual copy on some other machine if I have a clean filesystem. Never know if a backup is actually recoverable until you try it
[09:02] <_Dbug_> Is it a "O" or a "ZERO" after -C ?
[09:02] <tomreyn> yes, zero
[09:03] <tomreyn> cariveri: dpkg -l packagename
[09:04] <_Dbug_> 5 passes, no error reported, /dev/sda1: 302613/62591456 files (0.4% non-contiguous), 7191081/25138432 blocks
[09:04] <tomreyn> cariveri: if output starts with 'i' then it's installed. mayber better / easier: apt list --installed packagename
[09:04] <tomreyn> _Dbug_: hmm did it not say that modifications were made?
[09:05] <tomreyn> "filesystem has been modified"?
[09:05] <_Dbug_> nope. Checking inodes, directory structure and connectivyt, reference groups, group summary information. That's all
[09:06] <_Dbug_> But I did run one of these fsck earlier before I tried the live cd suggested by rfm, so that mayve have been it
[09:06] <tomreyn> _Dbug_: then this file system was previously repaired while booting off it
[09:06] <tomreyn> or what you just said
[09:06] <_Dbug_> If I want to try mount it from the live cd, should I just "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /somename" ?
[09:07] <tomreyn> _Dbug_: so either way it won't get better than it is now (you dcould run fsck.ext4 -D to maybe increase performance, but that's it)
[09:07] <tomreyn> _Dbug_: yes, about mounting it, but be sure to      mkdir -p /somename     beforehand
[09:07] <_Dbug_> Ok, so if it does not boot, maybe just reinstall from the live cd on the same drive, and then try to reintegrate my changes?
[09:09] <cariveri> tomreyn: thanks. worked great. I could even pass the list of packages to it.
[09:09] <tomreyn> _Dbug_: you may want to ensure you have a recent backup (especially of /etc) before you try to recover it.
[09:09] <_Dbug_> Yeah, that's why I want to try to mount it, then copy the content somewhere else
[09:09] <tomreyn> _Dbug_: before you reinstlal, you could also try to chroot into the system and make it bootable again
[09:10] <tomreyn> _Dbug_: this way you could preserve your configurations
[09:10] <_Dbug_> I guess nothing to lose, and a lot to learn :D
[09:10] <tomreyn> _Dbug_: before you spend time on that i'd personally try to just boot it as it is,though.
[09:12] <tomreyn> cariveri: you're welcome :)
[09:12] <ankk> i use multiple desktop users on Ubuntu and all of them have same display on desktop. I want to display username on a corner of desktop.. what is the easiest way to do this?
[09:13] <_Dbug_> tomreyn, ok, I'm going to have a break, and then I'll try that. Thanks for the help!
[09:14] <Tankburn> Howdy, I cant seem to configure changes in my grub... is there something I need to do after I edit and save the GRUB_DEFAULT variable in /etc/default/grub to make the changes take effect?
[09:14] <tomreyn> _Dbug_: in case it fails to boot normally or from !recovery (which can be the easier option), here's the chroot recovery steps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure
[09:16] <_Dbug_> Thanks
[09:19] <tomreyn> ankk: which ubuntu !release and !flavour is this?
[09:20] <ankk> tomreyn: ubuntu 18.04
[09:20] <tomreyn> Tankburn: yes, you need to    sudo update-grub    which will generate /boot/grub/grub.cfg from those configuration files
[09:21] <tomreyn> ankk: so you're aware that the username shows after clicking on the power / sound /networking icons top right, and that's insufficient?
[09:22] <Tankburn> Thanks tomreyn, also with that variable is 0 the first option or is 1?
[09:22] <ankk> tomreyn: yes but i want to see username immediately when i change switch user screen via Ctrl+Alt+FunctionX shortcut
[09:22] <tomreyn> Tankburn: 0
[09:22] <ankk> i don't want to make a mouse move on each screen to remember username
[09:23] <Tankburn> TYSM
[09:23] <tomreyn> ankk: i don't normally recommend the use of additional gnome shell extensions, but maybe it'll work here: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1108/add-username-to-top-panel/
[09:25] <_Random_> hey guys my ubuntu is unabke to connect to another linux machine on the same network. "connection refused "
[09:25] <_Random_> where to start to resolve the issue.
[09:26] <_Random_> I'm guessing it might be the firewall
[09:26] <cariveri> _Random_: getting IPs of the machines. ping to see connectivity . already past this?
[09:26] <tomreyn> _Random_: start by trying to connect to the other linux machine on itself using its LAN IP address.
[09:26] <_Random_> actually, I think i might not of enabled sshd
[09:26] <cariveri> _Random_: sudo service ssh start
[09:29] <tomreyn> on an ubuntu system, the preferred / current approach would be   systemctl start ssh
[09:30] <tomreyn> (but 'service' still works, too)
[09:31] <cariveri> tomreyn: its just a little more human to speak of service instead of systemctl. thats why I never really got used to it.
[09:32] <cariveri> "apt-get install" too should be renamed to somthing like uinstall <package_name>. it doesnt make much sense to make a command that complicated.
[09:33] <tomreyn> cariveri: use what you're happy with ;)  - i just think we shouöd recommend the actual utilities, not compatibility wrappers.
[09:33] <cariveri> tomreyn: I do agree. but Im nt speaking of wrapping.
[09:34] <tomreyn> cariveri: there is "apt install", less to type already, and you can just add aliases as you like.
[09:34] <cariveri> thats no option to me. as I would like to recall stuff thats available everywhere. not just on my machine.
[09:37] <tomreyn> i feel this is more a topic for #ubuntu-discuss
[09:38] <ankk> tomreyn: before extension i was dealing with adding user to a new group. i added user to a group but after logged off and re-logged in but it doesn't apply changes
[09:38] <ankk> if i use su - username on terminal, it work but it doesn't work on Gnome
[09:38] <ankk> i mean i can't use new group permissions on Gnome processes..
[09:39] <tomreyn> ankk: you need to restart gdm
[09:39] <ankk> how
[09:40] <ankk> wow... somethings happen after systemctl restart gdm.service
[09:40] <ankk> :|
[09:40] <tomreyn> logout, switch to a text tty, login, systemctl restart gdm3
[09:40] <ankk> hmmm i restarted in gnome :)
[09:41] <tomreyn> i prefer a clean 'shutdown' of gnome-shell
[09:41] <ankk> it blinks with white screen :)
[09:42] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what happened there. maybe journalctl -b can tell
[09:43] <ankk> i can't do anything.. probably reboot is a must right now
[09:43] <ankk> done.
[09:44] <ankk> no need to restart gdm anymore :(
[09:52] <_Dbug_> tomreyn, http://www.defence-force.org/index.php?page=main
[09:54] <tomreyn> _Dbug_: is this related to ubuntu support somehow?
[09:55] <tomreyn> oh that'll be your website, hosted on this server, i see.
[09:55] <_Dbug_> tomreyn, is it fine to mention the help I got there in my change notes :) ?
[09:55] <tomreyn> sure ;)
[09:55] <_Dbug_> So there you :)
[09:56] <tomreyn> glad i could help.
[10:04] <ankk> tomreyn: extension didn't work..
[10:04] <rocketeer> I have a rather broken python3 installation - some combination of packages installed through pip, some installed via package manager, some installed multiple times, pip3 is broken, and I'd like to nuke everything python and start over
[10:05] <rocketeer> what's the best way to do this?
[10:05] <rocketeer> and pip3 is itself broken
[10:07] <ankk> 'gnome-shutdown-button@kirby_33@hotmail.fr' is already enabled.
[10:09] <ankk> thefatma: :)
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:45] <fling> What are llvm and mesa versions in 19.04?
[10:45] <thefatma> Hey , I installed docker-ce on ubuntu 18.04 and i cant see my .docker file under my home folder, any ideas
[10:50] <Tankburn> Hey I want to change how the name of my OSes show in the GRUB menu, Particularly my Windows boot manu item (currently says Windows Boot Manager and I want to change it to Windows or Windows 10). My OS'es are on seperate disks so should I use GRUB to do this or should I use efibootmgr?
[10:54] <fling> Tankburn: you could edit the generated grub.cfg
[10:59] <Tankburn> yeah I guess, it just wiped every time I run sudo update-grub
[11:00] <Tankburn> but now that I've made all my changes I guess I can do that
[11:33] <qwebirc65648> So I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu, and I think I am having some issues with DNS.. I can't install anything "Temporary failure resolving 'mirrors.linode.com'" and I can't dig anything either "connection timed out; no servers could be reached".. Tried to reinstall as well.. New to Linux. Any ideas? (Running on Linode btw.)
[11:39] <M_aD> did you try another mirror instead?
[11:41] <fling> Which package is for gallium nine wine?
[11:41] <fling> in 19.04
[11:42] <piraye> hi,
[11:42] <qwebirc65648> M_aD: Quite new to Linux, can't figure out how to change the mirror.. Is it in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:43] <fling> qwebirc65648: it is there
[11:43] <piraye> when I try to download with wget https://dl.bintray.com/boostorg/release/1.64.0/source/boost_1_64_0.tar.gz
[11:44] <piraye> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
[11:44] <piraye> 2019-05-30 14:38:50 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
[11:44] <BluesKaj> qwebirc65648, it's easier to change it in the package manager gui
[11:44] <M_aD> qwebirc65648: if you're using a desktop open Software & Updates, in the first tab you see "Download from" at the end
[11:44] <piraye> please how to solve this problem
[11:44] <fling> piraye: try with torsocks
[11:45] <M_aD> qwebirc65648: there you can change the mirror
[11:45] <fling> piraye: torsocks -i wget http://whatever
[11:45] <piraye> ok
[11:45] <qwebirc65648> I don't have the GUI, I can't download it, because I can't conntect to the mirror.. Heh.. I will try to change mirror using commandline if I can figure that out
[11:45] <fling> piraye: It will use a random exit on each run.
[11:45] <fling> piraye: so you might want to retry multiple times ;>
[11:46] <M_aD> qwebirc65648: eh? what? You installed Ubuntu you said and you're new to linux. Did you install Ubuntu server then instead?
[11:47] <M_aD> or did you do a minimal commandline only install
[11:47] <M_aD> be more specific
[11:47] <qwebirc65648> M_aD: My host doesn't include GUI in the image, so I just planned to install Unity by commandline..
[11:47] <qwebirc65648> M_aD: Yes, It's the minimal install.
[11:48] <piraye> fling, still working, lets see
[11:48] <M_aD> qwebirc65648:  then you have to edit the sources.list i guess
[11:48]  * M_aD is no expert on that
[11:48] <piraye> fling, --2019-05-30 14:47:19--  https://dl.bintray.com/boostorg/release/1.64.0/source/boost_1_64_0.tar.gz
[11:48] <piraye> Resolving dl.bintray.com (dl.bintray.com)...
[11:49] <piraye> I am waiting
[11:49] <fling> piraye: ^C and restart it
[11:49] <leftyfb> !ot | piraye
[11:49] <piraye> fling, wget: unable to resolve host address ‘dl.bintray.com’
[11:49] <qwebirc65648> M_aD: I will just install 18.10 with GUI, and try to change mirrors in there.
[11:50] <leftyfb> qwebirc65648: can you contact anything else requiring DNS?
[11:50] <leftyfb> piraye: that's not an ubuntu problem.
[11:51] <leftyfb> piraye: contact the owner of that link for support. It's not accessible.
[11:51] <qwebirc65648> leftyfb: Dig command doesn't work as well.. Can't test with traceroute, since I can't install it, heh.
[11:51] <leftyfb> qwebirc65648: host google.com
[11:52] <piraye> leftyfb, how to contact the owner of #ubuntu-offtopic?
[11:52] <leftyfb> piraye: your issue is not ubuntu related. Sorry.
[11:53] <piraye> ok, you suggest to connect into this site, thanks for that
[11:53] <piraye> I did nopt know how to connect there
[11:54] <qwebirc65648> leftyfb: "No servers could be reached"
[11:54] <fling> vulkaninfo says /build/vulkan-tools-35Ffza/vulkan-tools-1.1.101.0+dfsg1/vulkaninfo/vulkaninfo.c:5028: failed with VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED
[11:54] <leftyfb> qwebirc65648: ok, your issue is your network settings. Particularly, your nameserver
[11:55] <fling> and after installing mesa-vulkan-drivers:i386 it also says ERROR: [Loader Message] Code 0 : /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libvulkan_radeon.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
[11:55] <fling> What am I doing wrong?
[11:55] <qwebirc65648> leftyfb: It's a fresh install with Linode.. What can I do to fix it then, heh?
[11:55] <leftyfb> fling: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[11:55] <leftyfb> qwebirc65648: configure a DNS server that works
[11:55] <fling> leftyfb: trying to get vulkan working
[11:55] <leftyfb> qwebirc65648: maybe contact Linode
[11:56] <ybaumy> moin. any advice on how to solve that systemd-resolved mess once and for all? i would like to use docker but no container can resolve dns hosts.. i already read todo's on how to install other tools and  restore /etc/resolv.conf  to its original state.. so i removed the link for /etc/resolv.conf and added nameserver entries but now nothing resolves anymore
[11:56] <ybaumy> im on 18.04 server
[11:57] <leftyfb> ybaumy: try #docker
[11:58] <fling> ybaumy: you could try using another resolver like pdnsd
[11:59] <leftyfb> fling: docker does not require a separate resolver. It works out of the box when configured properly. Support for docker is in #docker
[12:00]  * fling just tried to help everyone :P
[12:00] <leftyfb> fling: also, pdnsd is a DNS server. Not a client resolver
[12:11] <ioria> amedeus72
[12:11] <purplepod> hunter2
[12:11] <ioria> sy
[12:45] <leonardus> the kiwidev.xyz mirror of ubuntu 19.04 returns a 404.
[12:46] <leftyfb> leonardus: ok? Contact kiwidev.xyz?
[12:47] <leonardus> just thought i should mention that since it's one of the default download sources on ubuntu.com
[12:47] <leonardus> i went to download ubuntu and got immediately redirected to the 404
[12:48] <leftyfb> leonardus: ok, everyone here is a volunteer. Nobody here runs kiwidev.xyz. Maybe try #ubuntu-website
[13:02] <renani> Hello, I'm on Debian but should be the same. I'm trying to change the default app for common office files, setting in /usr/share/applications/default.list usgin mime-types, but it doesn't work. Only .doc changes correctly, but none of docx, xls,xlsx, odt, ods work
[13:08] <tomreyn> renani: only ubuntu is supported here. there's #debian
[13:09] <renani> ok
[13:10] <mgedmin> same system, really; renani: check ~/.local/share/applications/default.list as well (or mimeapps.list in the same directory)
[13:12] <jsvcycling> mgedamin: he already left the channel :\
[13:12] <mgedmin> ah, I have joins/parts hidden
[13:12] <jsvcycling> mgedmin
[13:13] <jsvcycling> ah okay
[13:13] <jsvcycling> mgedmin: I see he joined #debian now though.
[13:18] <iffraff> Hi can someone help me trouble shoot this? the big picture is, I have an hp spectre with ubuntu 19.04 on it.  It's connected to a dock via thunderbolt. it has two 4k monitors connected to the dock, but only one will work at a time.
[13:19] <purplepod> can it actually push 2 4k displays generally?
[13:20] <iffraff> purplepod: so, my understanding from hp foruems is that it can push 2 4k.  The dock says it can do duel 4k monitors.  one via hdmi and one via usb-c (which i'm converting to hdmi ).
[13:22] <iffraff> so I'm feeling like it should.  when I run xrand --prop, i have three entries, edp1 (the laptop monitor) dp-1 connectd and dp2 disconnected
[13:22] <iffraff> none of that is iron clad proof.  so I'm hoping someone can help me do the right diagnostics
[13:23] <mgedmin> can you dual-boot into some other OS and verify if it works there?  it's a quick way to make sure the hardware and your cables can handle it
[13:24] <purplepod> iffraff, I'd try with 2x 1080p if you have em just go make sure both ports / cables are working, etc, after that its try 1x 4k 1x 1080p, etc.
[13:24] <purplepod> eliminate potential issues to narrow it down
[13:25] <mgedmin> I'm thinking, would bandwidth constraints force a monitor to "disconnected"?
[13:25] <fling> Which package is for gallium nine patched wine?
[13:25] <fling> in 19.04
[13:25] <iffraff> that makes sense.  However, both monitors will work.  If I unplug one, the other will work.  then I plug it back in and the other still works but not the first. and in the same in reverse
[13:25] <fling> I've read gallim nine was added to 18.10
[13:26] <mgedmin> I had a cable problem where a 2560x1080 monitor would only work at 1920x1080 when connected with a DP->HDMI cable that took a lot of scratching, until I got a native DP->DP cable and it worked at full res
[13:26] <iffraff> mgedmin: Im not sure bandwidth of which, but Im actually running the laptop closed so it's really only running one monitor right now.
[13:26] <iffraff> the laptop is actually 4k too.  but I"l turn down the res on the one 4k now and see if the other doesn't appear
[13:27] <mgedmin> there should be a way to enable some debug output from the kernel's DRM subsystem, but (a) I don't remember what it is, and (b) I'd have no idea how to interpret the output anyway
[13:27] <mgedmin> what sort of GPU does your HP have?
[13:28] <iffraff> lol.  so I turned down res, but still only one monitor in "displays" of settings.  should I log off and on or reboot? or do you think that would be not necessary
[13:29] <mgedmin> I do not see how logging of or rebooting could help
[13:30] <mgedmin> monitors are hotpluggable, and you've already established that hotplugging works
[13:30] <iffraff> right, then I"m going back up in resolution this is killing me :)
[13:30] <mgedmin> there must be some constraint where having one output connected prevents the other one from being used
[13:30] <mgedmin> have you checked dmesg or journalctl for messages?
[13:31] <iffraff> nope.  is that going to be a huge dump of logs? if so is there something specific I should look for?
[13:32] <mgedmin> something relevant?  do a journalctl -f and then plug in the 2nd monitor, see if _anything at all_ shows up
[13:33] <mgedmin> you can enable the kernel DRM subsystem debug logging by doing things like echo 0x5 > /sys/module/drm/parameters/debug
[13:34] <mgedmin> that value is a bitmask, documented here, I think: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/8882371/
[13:34] <iffraff> right, I'll try unplugging plugging and see what happens in those first two logs firs
[13:34] <iffraff> t
[13:34] <mgedmin> so you could enable debugging, then try the hotplug, then check dmesg for any errors
[13:34] <mgedmin> and then echo 0 > /sys/module/drm/parameters/debug to turn off the debugging before it fills out all of your logs
[13:35] <mgedmin> this assumes you're using a native open driver that uses the kernel's DRM infrastructure, i.e. not nvidia
[13:35] <mgedmin> (I did ask about your GPU, but you never answered)
[13:35] <iffraff> so dmesg clearly shows the usb device being deregistered and reregistered
[13:35] <iffraff> so that's good
[13:35] <mgedmin> USB? ooooh USB-C monitors, haven't had the pleasure of dealing with those yet, was confused for a moment :)
[13:38] <iffraff> yes sorry, should have been more explicit.  however the other one is hdmi.  I could easily make it to where the usb-c monitor works and the hdmi monitor does not if that helps
[13:40] <iffraff> the journalctl says "hub 8-blah : usb hub found" then "hub 8-blah: 2 ports detected"
[13:40] <iffraff> I would think it meant 2 video ports because there are more that 2 actual usb ports on this hub
[13:41] <mgedmin> maybe internally there's a second hub behind one of the ports?  who knows
[13:43] <iffraff> mgedmin: so do you think this is the proper channel to investigate this problem? can you think of any other irc channels or resources I could use?
[13:48] <mgedmin> IIRC #intel-gfx was helpful to me once, when I debugged wonky displayport hotplug on my laptop with an intel GPU
[13:48] <mgedmin> I'm sure other driver people have their own channels
[13:48] <iffraff> interesting.  good idea! thanks.  I believe it's nvidia.
[13:49] <mgedmin> oof, hard mode
[13:50] <iffraff> ug, I don't know what that means but it doesn't sound good
[13:52] <mgedmin> nvidia is a very closed company; the driver they provide is closed-source and doesn't fit into the linux world very well, and the open drivers people have written are mostly guesswork
[13:52] <mgedmin> it's hard to debug why things don't work when you can't even look at the source code
[13:53] <iffraff> ah, that makes sense and sucks at the sametime
[14:22] <data4pass> Hello, I'm using Xubuntu 18.04.2 LTS on my Lenovo G400 laptop. I had no problems using the laptop before, but this problem came quite suddenly. Most of the times when I run `sudo apt update` it will get stuck at `0% [Connecting]` somewhere in the middle, the command will then end with `connection timed out`. Here is the paste of me trying the comma
[14:22] <data4pass> nd three times: https://pastebin.com/b5q498yH
[14:22] <data4pass> Once in a while the update will run with no problems, but most of the times I will encounter an error such as what has been explained above, to the point that it's getting very annoying. I don't think I have problems with my connection as I can connect to the internet (including to the launchpad ppa, where the update will most often fail) just fine
[14:22] <data4pass> . I have tried disabling IPv6 (majority of the answers I found in StackOverflow suggested doing this) but the error still appears. Would love if someone here can help, thanks!
[14:26] <M_aD> data4pass: best to ask in one channel instead of crossposting, in #xubuntu you're in the right channel ;) :)
[14:28] <mgedmin> that totally looks like a network problem...
[14:29] <leftyfb> data4pass: looks like maybe you're having issues connecting to ppa.launchpad.net. Possibly some sort of hop problem with your ISP?
[14:30] <data4pass> I'm not sure... I can access ppa.launchpad.net via browser just fine
[14:31] <mgedmin> that is interesting
[14:31] <galaxie> Can someone help me interpret this log line?  Upgrade: podman:amd64 (1.3.2-1~dev~ubuntu18.04~ppa11, 1.3.2-1~dev~ubuntu18.04~ppa14), containers-common:amd64 (0.1.37-1~dev~ubuntu18.04~ppa2, 0.1.37-1~dev~ubuntu18.04~ppa3)
[14:31] <leftyfb> data4pass: as you mentioned, it's intermittent
[14:31] <mgedmin> what if you run some network diagnostics tool like mtr ppa.launchpad.net while you try the apt-get update?
[14:32] <mgedmin> mtr should make intermittent problems visible
[14:32] <galaxie> What's the transition from ppa11 to ppa14, for instance, or pp2 to pp3? There doesn't seem to be any version differences, so what does it mean?
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> galaxie: any change in the name will trigger an update. It is possible that no updates were actually provided to the application, but a configuration file was modified
[14:34] <mgedmin> galaxie: those are parts of the version number
[14:34] <galaxie> pragmaticenigma: OK, so, like passing --version to the application shows it's still the same version number, so I guess it was just the config?
[14:35] <mgedmin> version numbers are complicated!
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> galaxie: Do you have multiple PPAs enabled on that particular machines?
[14:35] <mgedmin> there's the upstream version (1.3.2), and then the debian packager takes upstream releases and makes debs for them, and appends -1 or something
[14:36] <mgedmin> then ubuntu comes and add some additional suffixes
[14:36] <mgedmin> and then this looks like a backport so the ppa uploader added ~ubuntu18.04 to indicate where it was backported from and ~ppa11 indicating that this is 11th build of the backport
[14:37] <mgedmin> in theory you can do `apt changelog podman` and see the contents of the debian changelog where very of these packaging updates should be documented
[14:37] <mgedmin> assuming 'apt changelog' works for ppa packages, which I hope it does?
[14:37] <mgedmin> if not, then a copy of the debian changelog should be in /usr/share/doc/podman/changelog.Debian.gz
[14:40] <galaxie> mgedmin: Changelog unavailable.
[14:41] <galaxie> mgedmin: It shows it being autobuilt.
[14:42] <mgedmin> ah, yes, automation, how nice
[14:43] <mgedmin> you'll have to ask the packager or do a debdiff of the corresponding source packages downloaded from the ppa if you're really very interested
[14:44] <ren0v0> Nautilus is sooooo slow, why?
[14:45] <ren0v0> folder with 4000 images, virtually doesn't load, when it finally does it freezes etc
[14:45] <pragmaticenigma> ren0v0: disable image preview
[14:45] <ren0v0> pragmaticenigma, but i want image preview
[14:45] <lordcirth> ren0v0, thumbnailing 4000 images takes time.
[14:45] <ren0v0> Also, I used a script to pre-generate all thumbs, so they are already there
[14:45] <ren0v0> .
[14:45] <ren0v0> so it's nothing to do with that
[14:46] <lordcirth> It still has to load those 4000 thumbnails into RAM and render them
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> ren0v0: Nautilus still has to find and load all 4,000 thumbnails. Generating the thumbnail is the fast part, matching each to it's associated file takes time. Especially since I believe the match is done via a file hash
[14:47] <ren0v0> pragmaticenigma, is it then stored in some kind of lookup table?
[14:47] <lordcirth> ren0v0, if you want, you can look here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> ren0v0: No, they're not preserved as then you would have users complaining that recently added photos aren't generating thumbnails
[14:48] <ren0v0> :/
[14:49] <ren0v0> pragmaticenigma, any file manager you know of that does things differently ?
[14:49] <ren0v0> I'm sure it shouldn't take a few minutes to loop over 4000 files
[14:49] <ren0v0> that's crazy
[14:49] <pragmaticenigma> ren0v0: Most best practices suggest that you break your collections into smaller collections
[14:49] <ren0v0> pragmaticenigma, sure, that's what i'm trying to do, organise a photo collection
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> ren0v0: Use multiple windows. as long as the file manager window remains open, it won't need to regenerate all those thumbnails
[14:51] <ren0v0> if you change folder it does
[14:51] <ren0v0> so i go into a folder it takes a few minutes, back out then back in and it does it all again
[14:51] <ren0v0> just stupid
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> ren0v0: Open the folders in separate windows
[14:52] <ren0v0> pragmaticenigma, sigh, ok
[14:52] <ren0v0> not a nice flow
[14:52] <ren0v0> takes more time
[14:58] <pragmaticenigma> ren0v0: I personally disable the thumbnail previews in any file manager as I don't care for the slowdown to my system. When managing photos I use a dedicated photo management application. You can check out some suggestions in this article and try them out. https://itsfoss.com/linux-photo-management-software/
[15:00] <o-bit> Hello, if I am running Lubuntu, when I upgrade, it moves me to lxqt or how will it work?
[15:00] <o-bit> Lubuntu 18.04LTS
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> o-bit: I think you're mixing up your acronyms... lxqt is a variant to the core LXDE desktop. LTS is for long term support. can you please rephrase your question?
[15:02] <lordcirth> I think they mean, "will upgrading to 18.04 replace my LXDE with LXQT"?
[15:03] <o-bit> pragmaticenigma: I am wondering if an upgrade will automatically replace lxde with lxqt, seeing that currently new versions of Lubuntu ship with lxqt?
[15:04] <linux-phaedrus> _Dbug_: some observations after looking at screenshot you posted:
[15:04] <linux-phaedrus> A. fsck on /dev/sda5 (SWAP) is not required and does not make sense
[15:05] <linux-phaedrus> B. Since /dev/sda1 is clean after fsck, try to mount it readonly (using mount option "-o ro") and get your chanegd files, config files etc
[15:06] <linux-phaedrus> C. Running fsck on /dev/sda does not make sense EXCEPT in the few cases where you may have had a filesystem on an entire disk WITHOUT partitions - not the case here
[15:06] <raindev> A week or two ago I was asking here about broken GNOME Activities Overview in 19.04.
[15:06] <raindev> It turned out the culprit is windowsNavigator extension.
[15:06] <raindev> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell-extensions/issues/143
[15:07] <_Dbug_> For A) I did not know that swap partitions were not actually "file system". For B) I did mount for backup,  did not know about the read only mount, guess it makes sense to avoid cp on the wrong direction. For C), I was kind of imagining that would mean "scan check whatever filesystem you find on the device" :)
[15:07] <raindev> If someone has run into the same problem disabling the extension is an easy workaround.
[15:07] <raindev> The bug is fixed upstream, if you really want to have the extension.
[15:07]  * _Dbug_ is still quite a n00b in term of linux use
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> o-bit: The transition to LXQT of Lubuntu began with Ubuntu 18.10. I do not see anything in the release notes stating that upgrading to 18.04 LTS will upgrade to LXQT
[15:08] <linux-phaedrus> _Dubug_: If I were you, once you have copied contents of /dev/sda1 out, I would start with a new clean install and make t he effort of retro-fitting changed files, configs as needed - but that is just me.
[15:08]  * o-bit looks at _Dbug_ and LOLs then saying: Everyone is noob in linux, including the creator.
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> o-bit: please try to stay on topic. commentary is best kept to the #ubuntu-offtopic channel. Thank you
[15:09] <o-bit> pragmaticenigma: I mean upgrading to 18.10 from 18.04.
[15:09] <linux-phaedrus> _Dbug_: also, next time you can use the command "gdisk -l /dev/sda" or, if gdisk command is not found, "fdisk -l /dev/sda" to see partition table. That will (more) clearly show that, e.g. /dev/sda2 in this case is probably a logical partition - meaning no fsck is requried or called for on that partition
[15:09] <pragmaticenigma> o-bit: That is a downgrade and is not supported
[15:09] <linux-phaedrus> *: OK. I had not followed the full exchange.
[15:10] <pragmaticenigma> err
[15:10] <_Dbug_> linux-phaedrus, the server is running now, but I'm probably going to get some new hardware because I don't trust a machine which get such a power failure, I'll do the full reinstall on the new machine.
[15:10] <pragmaticenigma> o-bit: sorry... misread that... traditionally people place the older first in numerical order. Also, please be detailed in your original questions.
[15:11] <o-bit> LOL, okay
[15:13] <pragmaticenigma> o-bit: from the release notes "https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-released/" upgrading from 18.04 to 18.10 is not supported. The team recommends a fresh install. This appears to be largely due to the change from LXDE to LXQT
[15:14] <o-bit> Hmm, okay, thanks
[15:16] <ioria> o-bit, have you read the Release Notes about the upgrade from 18.04 to 18.10 ?
[15:17] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: I just sent the notes to them
[15:17] <ioria> ok
[15:18] <ioria> o-bit, focus on this : The most major and notable problem is that upgrading Lubuntu from 18.04 to 18.10 causes a fair amount of issues.
[15:18] <ioria> o-bit, Therefore, we are not officially supporting this upgrade path at this time,
[15:20] <o-bit> ioria: Will it be supported from 18.04 to 20.04 LTS?
[15:21] <ioria> o-bit, i cannot know, but i guess not
[15:22] <o-bit> LOL, so what's the next option after Lubuntu in terms of performance, apart from Xubuntu, with upgrade options atleast between LTSs
[15:22] <ioria> o-bit, you just said: xubuntu
[15:23] <o-bit> LOL, apart from it.
[15:23] <ioria> o-bit, lxde will be discontinued, i'am afraid
[15:24] <raindev> o-bit: I'd consider Ubuntu MATE.
[15:24] <ioria> o-bit, yes, mate could be an alternative
[15:27] <o-bit> Nice, I will check it out, let me go download it, hope it doesn't suck or get a discontinued D.E
[15:32] <raindev> o-bit: do you mind if I ask what are the specific reasons you're not considering Xubuntu?
[15:34] <o-bit> raindev: Well, the screen saver bug, I felt it back in 16.04, screen just blacksout if you don't keep touching mouse,
[15:34] <o-bit> Thunar bugs, when you press back, it can jump back to home directory.
[15:35] <o-bit> Alot of screen tearing
[15:36] <raindev> Bugs then, got it.
[15:36] <o-bit> And many many more.
[15:48] <jayjo> when I do ls -la I see lrwxrwxrwx  1 git  git    41 May 28 20:38 authorized_keys -> /var/lib/gitlab/data/.ssh/authorized_keys but cat: authorized_keys: No such file or directory
[15:49] <mgedmin> does /var/lib/gitlab/data/.ssh/authorized_keys exist?
[15:49] <mgedmin> it could be a broken symlink
[15:51] <metrixx> hi. is there a shortcut key to switch user?
[15:53] <mgedmin> I don't think so
[15:54] <mgedmin> ... wait, actually, it's just a matter of hitting ctrl+alt+f1 to vt switch to the gdm screen ... but that leaves your session unlocked
[15:54] <mgedmin> there's a shortcut to lock screen, so you could do that before you vt switch
[15:57] <metrixx> mgedmin, is there a way to remove password requirement while switching between users each time?
[15:58] <metrixx> i just want to logon one time after power up
[15:58] <mgedmin> no, but if you do vt switching with ctrl+alt+F2/F3 etc then the other session will remain unlocked
[15:58] <mgedmin> (unless you have lock after inactivity enabled etc.)
[16:01] <blackswan> i'm trying to wrap my head around what thing i need to read the documentation for.
[16:01] <blackswan> i have a system running ubuntu mate 18.04.2
[16:02] <pragmaticenigma> !details | blackswan
[16:02] <blackswan> i'm getting to the details, i'm typing them now.
[16:03] <blackswan> networkmanager is configured with a dns search path on the wifi interface
[16:03] <blackswan> but, systemd-resolved is not using that search path
[16:03] <blackswan> resolv.conf points to systemd-resolved, which is fine.
[16:04] <metrixx> https://askubuntu.com/questions/974018/how-to-switch-back-to-graphical-vt
[16:04] <blackswan> i have resolvconf installed also
[16:04] <metrixx> mgedmin, do you have solution for the above problem?
[16:04] <blackswan> and a vpn, which, when active, should add its own search patch, and that works fine
[16:05] <blackswan> but systemd-resolved --status is listing for the domain search path for the wifi "~." and "lan", and i don't understand why
[16:05] <blackswan> i want to get systemd to look at the networkmanager configuration
[16:05] <mgedmin> metrixx: keep switching until you find the GUI; on text consoles you can use Alt-Left/Alt-Right to cycle through all of them in order
[16:06] <blackswan> because i am cofiguring that with ansible scripts
[16:06] <mgedmin> metrixx: if you keep pressing Alt-Right and see only text consoles, then your gui has crashed and there's nothing you can do, except log in in a text console and restart gdm (or reboot)
[16:07] <iffraff> Hello, I have a laptop with an onboard intel gpu and an nvidia geforce graphics card.  I did sudo lshw -C video  and it shows both gpus but the nvidia one says "UNCLAIMED"
[16:07] <blackswan> so my question is how do i get systemd to pay attention to the ipv4 search path that networkmanager has, and, also, is there some documentation that i should have read that would have helped me with this and if so, would it have helped me, and if not, how can i help improve it
[16:07] <metrixx> mgedmin, is there a way to convert text mode virtual terminal to gui one?
[16:08] <metrixx> or disable text mode virtual terminal?
[16:08] <mgedmin> uh, run startx? (but seriously don't, this is not 1999)
[16:08] <blackswan> because i don't like just asking questions and getting answers. i want to give something back to the world and i'm trying to figure out how to do that in the most effective possible way
[16:09] <mgedmin> blackswan: you ask hard questions ...
[16:09] <blackswan> i do.
[16:09] <metrixx> mgedmin, i just want my users in order while using ctrl+alt+f2/f3/f4 .. i don't want any text virtual terminal between them
[16:09] <blackswan> because i'm pretty smart and i can figure out all the easy ones. so i'm left with questions nobody has any idea how to help me with.
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> blackswan: This channel focuses itself on the Ubuntu Desktop and it's core. It specializes in end user help, where applications or default configurations are causing issues. Your questions are typically in the higher level realm, and would probably be better suited being asked in ##netowrking, ##linux, #ubuntu-server ... More advance questions are going to need advanced resources
[16:13] <pragmaticenigma> pardon... I had a typo ##netowrking should be ##networking
[16:13] <mgedmin> metrixx: why do you need more than one GUI session anyway?  they eat huge amounts of RAM and vt switching is janky and unpleasant
[16:13] <mgedmin> is there a ##notworking ;)
[16:13] <lordcirth> mgedmin, there is, but you'll find it's not working.
[16:15] <metrixx> mgedmin, i have a lot of ram, i am rich.
[16:15] <metrixx> thank you by the way :)
[16:30] <ash_worksi> is there a command like `watch` where if a file changes it will automatically execute a command? I am trying to get a dot graph to auto generate after a file-save
[16:30] <rofltech> ash_worksi: Not sure if theirs another way but cron'ing diff should let you know.
[16:30] <mgedmin> there are a lot of commands like this and they all are bad :(
[16:31] <mgedmin> watchdog is the only one I remember at the moment
[16:31] <rofltech> assuming you are fine with making two copies of the file to start with.
[16:31] <mgedmin> ("bad" == have terrible user interfaces)
[16:31] <lordcirth> ash_worksi, you want the inotify tools
[16:32] <pragmaticenigma> ash_worksi: You would be better to have a scheduled task update the graph based on a timer. It requires far less system resources and won't lead to potential file corruption
[16:32] <ash_worksi> pragmaticenigma: less resources than inotifywait?
[16:33] <lordcirth> ash_worksi, how often will the file be changed, and how soon must the new graph be ready?
[16:33] <oddcoder> hello world
[16:33] <oddcoder> I am trying to get ubuntu64 arm in qemu over intel core i7
[16:33] <oddcoder> and I never got it working
[16:33] <pragmaticenigma> ash_worksi: There is already a timer operating that is used by cron. It requires no additional resources to schedule a new rule. Where as a file watching needs to run as it's own process in additional to all the other system resources in use.
[16:33] <ash_worksi> lordcirth: I am spontaneously constructing a digraph of a network topology
[16:34] <oddcoder> I tried this
[16:34] <oddcoder> qemu-system-aarch64 -M raspi3 -m 2G -hda ubuntu-18.04.2-preinstalled-server-arm64+raspi3.img
[16:34] <ash_worksi> pragmaticenigma: cron is not really a solution for this
[16:34] <oddcoder> and I got the ubuntu raspberri pi3 from the official website but no luck
[16:34] <lordcirth> ash_worksi, 'incron' might be what you want
[16:34] <lordcirth> It's like cron but triggers on inotify
[16:34] <ash_worksi> I'm looking for the equivalent of a hot-reload
[16:35] <oddcoder> what might I be doing wrong
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> ash_worksi: I cannot think of any reason that you would need anything faster than up-to a one minute delay in a graphic/plot being updated
[16:35] <Dave_Elec> hey everyone... is there a pxe server out there to install ubuntu or other linux distros?
[16:35] <lordcirth> Dave_Elec, dnsmasq can do that. Do you want a highly automatic/friendly one? There's MaaS
[16:36] <ash_worksi> pragmaticenigma: because I have two monitors; if i save a file, I'm going to wait a minute for the picture to reload
[16:36] <lordcirth> ash_worksi, incron or iwatch
[16:38] <Dave_Elec> lordcirth: I meant a pre configured one from the internet.. not local
[16:38] <Dave_Elec> I tried cobbler and i couldn't make it work
[16:38] <ash_worksi> so wait... what is the difference between iwatch and using `while read -r j; do dot -Tsvg infile -O; done < <(inotifywait -e modify infile)` ?
[16:42] <lordcirth> Dave_Elec, wait, you mean a PXE server on the internet? I don't think you can PXE across layer 3.
[16:42] <lordcirth> Well, not without controlling the ISP's router
[16:43] <lordcirth> Dave_Elec, what problem are you trying to solve, exactly?
[16:43] <dax> pretty sure you can PXE across layer 3
[16:44] <dax> it's just TFTP at the end of the day, assuming you're setting your local DHCP options appropriately
[16:44] <Dave_Elec> lordcirth: I need to install an os on a machine right now.. and I don't have usb drive.. I have an external harddrive though..
[16:45] <lordcirth> Dave_Elec, if you can wipe the external hard drive, that will work
[16:45] <Dave_Elec> nope.. I can't
[16:46] <lordcirth> If the machine has a working OS, you could also write an ISO to a partition, write a custom grub to the drive, and boot from the ISO. But you could easily make a mistake and break your boot
[16:47] <Dave_Elec> It's empty..
[16:47] <Dave_Elec> not empty but locked
[16:48] <lordcirth> What do you mean by 'locked'? You don't have a password to the OS?
[16:48] <Dave_Elec> yeah
[16:48] <lordcirth> If it's Linux you can get a recovery shell
[16:49] <Dave_Elec> It's ubuntu
[16:49] <lordcirth> Dave_Elec, then boot to a recovery shell and change the password
[16:49] <Dave_Elec> how exactly?
[16:50] <lordcirth> Reboot, and at the grub menu, choose 'other', then recovery
[16:50] <lordcirth> Then choose a root shell
[16:50] <lordcirth> then you'll be root in single-user mode
[16:55] <Dave_Elec> thanks.. I'v created a user
[16:55] <lordcirth> Dave_Elec, Don't forget to add them to sudoers
[16:55] <oddcoder> qemu aarch64 users here ?
[16:56] <lordcirth> oddcoder, could you please specify what you mean by "no luck"? What happens?
[16:56] <oddcoder> I can't see boot sequence or shell
[16:59] <Mdlpe> hi, how to find in folder the files modified today : $find /folder -type f -newermt '2019-05-30'  find the files of yesterday not today
[16:59] <ace_me> hi all. I have a vps whic I fail in upgrading mysql... I get The following packages cannot be authenticated! mysql-server mysql-community-server mysql-client mysql-community-client  mysql-common mysql-apt-config
[16:59] <compdoc> Ive used qemu-kvm for years, but not  aarch64
[16:59] <ace_me> W: GPG error: http://repo.mysql.com trusty InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1487236823 KEYEXPIRED 1487236823 KEYEXPIRED 1487236823
[17:00] <ace_me> can you please tell me how to fix this ?
[17:00] <socomm> Is there a reason to not disable accounts-daemon on a headless server?
[17:01] <compdoc> not sure how thats releated
[17:01] <compdoc> related
[17:02] <ace_me> the main issue for this is the fact that getting new key is done on a spec
[17:02] <ace_me> ific port
[17:02] <Mdlpe> and find Images/  -type f -mtime 0 list the files modified yesterday
[17:03] <__raven__> how to trace random kernel freezes if there is no log entry?
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> __raven__: your /var/log is empty?
[17:04] <__raven__> lotuspsychje: nothing caught in the kernel logs
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> __raven__: dmesg,syslog and journal logs try?
[17:06] <__raven__> lotuspsychje: nothing related to crash as i said
[17:08] <mdemo> anybody know any command line tools for manipulating ical? say, merging calendars, that kind of thing?
[17:18] <nickelnoff> Having a major problem logging in to Ubuntu 18.04 after uninstalling and reinstalling gdm - need help to get going asap - terrible timing
[17:20] <lordcirth> nickelnoff, ok, firstly, why did you uninstall and reinstall gdm?
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> nickelnoff: in a tty also install ubuntu-desktop gdm gdm3
[17:21] <nickelnoff> it all started when I wanted to get my phone connected to a vm and I tried uninstalling libimobiledevice6 (I ran `sudo apt-get remove libimobiledevice6`
[17:23] <oddcoder> lordcirth: ideas ?
[17:24] <lordcirth> oddcoder, to clarify, you are on an x86_64 machine, and you are trying to make a VM emulating ARM 64?
[17:24] <oddcoder> yup
[17:25] <oddcoder> lordcirth: I am trying to do it with the minimal setup effort because I may respawn many of them and I want it to be fast operation
[17:25] <oddcoder> preferably ubuntu-18.04.2-preinstalled-server-arm64+raspi3.img
[17:25] <oddcoder> because it is what i have at hand
[17:27] <oddcoder> when running with this command qemu-system-aarch64 -M raspi3 -m 2G -hda ubuntu-18.04.2-preinstalled-server-arm64+raspi3.img
[17:28] <oddcoder> I get this black qemu screen forever
[17:28] <oddcoder> https://paste.pics/5OURP
[17:28] <lordcirth> oddcoder, well, I've never tried that myself. All I can recommend is to run qemu with max verbosity and see if anything gets printed
[17:29] <nickelnoff> seems like gnome-session was missing
[18:03] <iffraff> Hello, I have a laptop with an onboard intel gpu and an nvidia geforce graphics card.  I did sudo lshw -C video  and it shows both gpus but the nvidia one says "UNCLAIMED"
[18:04] <compdoc> iffraff, so no driver is loaded for it
[18:05] <iffraff> ah, ok. .... so, well, I tried installing some nvidia drivers. but I guess they didn't take?
[18:06] <compdoc> yeah, sometimes the drivr has to be just the right one
[18:06] <nickelnoff_> Hey all - anyone know how to stop my iPhone from automounting when I plug it in ? I want to connect it to a VM instead of the host.
[18:07] <iffraff> so when I use the gui it shows like 8 nvidia dirvers.  I did search for which dirver to use but didn't get anywhere
[18:15] <iffraff> is there any danger to just installing nvidia driver packages ( that are suggested in software & updates ) untill on works?
[18:22] <tomreyn> iffraff: it could cause your graphical desktop not to start, requiring you to login on a !TTY and apt purge the drivers package there (or replace it using ubuntu-drivers
[18:22] <tomreyn> )
[18:22] <iffraff> omg
[18:22] <compdoc> lol
[18:23] <iffraff> so perhaps I should app purge nvidia* each time I try one of thier drivers?
[18:24] <tomreyn> if you apt purge nvidia* before rebooting then you won't know whether they work or not.
[18:25] <iffraff> I was presuming the damage would be the result of having multiple drivers.  so I would try one, purge it try two
[18:25] <Ben64> iffraff: just install the right one
[18:26] <tomreyn> iffraff: you surely shouldn't have multipler nvidia drivers installed at the same time.
[18:53] <kpoman> hello everyone ! sorry for bugging you, I am facing a broken apt mess with python. If anyone can see wtf is going on ?
[18:53] <kpoman> https://pastebin.com/yU9mUK1c
[18:54] <sarnold> kpoman: you may need to ask whoever put together your PPAs for help, to find out how they intend for their stuff to be used
[18:55] <kpoman> sarnold: I am not wanting to use any ppa or anything, just regular sources to install python headers
[18:55] <ioria> kpoman, on bionic and using a 16.04 version ?
[18:56] <sarnold> kpoman: ah; maybe the ppa-purge tool from the ppa-purge package could help you remove the PPAs that you've got configured
[18:56] <michagogo> Look what I found lying somewhere in the house https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EIQMEcmD/IMG_7290.JPG
[18:56] <ioria> kpoman, that line should say  3.6.8-1~18.04.york0  not 3.6.8-1~16.04.york1
[18:56] <kpoman> oh let me check
[18:57] <ioria> kpoman, i assume you're on bionic
[18:57] <kpoman> yes, actually this is linux mint tara
[18:57] <kpoman> ouch
[18:58] <ioria> kpoman, well, you have a xenial - python3.6 installed
[18:58] <michagogo> Any takers? :P https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1qJB94lP/IMG_7291.JPG
[18:58] <ioria> kpoman, i mean, * meant* to install
[18:59] <tomreyn> michagogo: funny, but this channel is really just meant for ubuntu support Q&A, which this is not. there are #ubuntu-offtopic and -discuss
[18:59] <tomreyn> !mint | kpoman
[19:02] <goddard> how can i remove a server that no longer exists?
[19:02] <goddard> like the server exists but the file and directory is gone
[19:03] <goddard> service*
[19:33] <devslash2> ive got a laptop with 2 different linux oses on it ubuntu and qubes. Ubuntu was already on it and I installed Qubes yesterday which installed its own grub bootloader which doesnt have ubuntu as an option. i wanted to add ubuntu which is on /dev/sda2 so i can dual boot. when I out set root=hd part what would it be for sda2
[19:36] <ioria> devslash2, https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/multiboot/
[19:37] <devslash2> i am on that site already. I added an entry according to the linux section but it doesnt boot
[19:37] <devslash2> I used (hd0,1) for sda2. is that right  ?
[19:38] <rofltech> Depends
[19:39] <rofltech> Enter grub and look if it's the only drive that's probably right but m.2 and other devices sometimes take priority over your normal drives
[19:39] <devslash2> I only have 1 physical drive
[19:40] <devslash2> sda1=ubuntu swap sda2=ubuntu sda3-5 are for Qubes
[19:40] <muhuhu> Hello. It seems that my boot partition is broken. I think it's 16.04(?). When the computer is booting it gets stuck on the /dev/nvme0n1p1: clean, xxx/xxxxfiles, xxxx/xxxx blocks. It just keep showing that line and blinking every second, I can't even switch to a terminal, because after switching it just blinks again and shows the line again.
[19:40] <muhuhu> I'm currently booted into a live-cd
[19:40] <ioria> devslash2, i didn't mean that section ... or you installed the 2oss in different efi/bios modes ?
[19:40] <devslash2> im not sure
[19:41] <muhuhu> I can mount the ext4 partition with no problems and fsck doesn't show any problems with the ext4 partition itself. Not sure how to fix the boot though
[19:41] <ioria> devslash2,  sudo parted -l
[19:42] <devslash2> ioria, sda1=swao sda2=ext4 (Ubuntu) sda3=ext4 primary sda5=extended sda6=logical
[19:42] <muhuhu> Can I just run fsck on the boot partition? Boot partitions are a big magic for me...
[19:42] <ioria> devslash2,  sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:44] <devslash2> i cant do that
[19:44] <devslash2> my laptop isnt connected to the network
[19:47] <devslash2> what do yuo need to know
[19:47] <devslash2> from the outout of gparted -l
[19:51] <devslash2> https://pastebin.com/8S0anx7e
[19:51] <devslash2> ioria, theres the results of parted -l
[19:54] <devslash2> can anyone help me fix grub so i can boot ubuntu
[20:03] <plongshot> does 18.04 server come with any tools / utilities that can create an image (ie: clone) of the server it's intalled on and depoit it in the form of a tar.gz ?
[20:04] <rypervenche> plongshot: You can do that with several tools, however you will likely want to do it using a liveCD so that the disk isn't being used when you clone it.
[20:04] <devslash2> has anyone here dual booted 2 different linux oses /
[20:05] <plongshot> rypervenche: In this case it is a cloud server (linode) so I have no physical access.  I can, however, install whatever I wish or sue whatever comes with a standard install of 18.04 server.
[20:05] <plongshot> Can't afford their backup fees so looking for a free alternative
[20:06] <plongshot> rypervenche: ^
[20:06] <plongshot> sorry
[20:06] <rypervenche> plongshot: Hmmm, well they likely have a rescue environment where you could do that. Are you sure that you want to make a copy of the ENTIRE disk and not just your data?
[20:06] <plongshot> both
[20:06] <rypervenche> Ahhh, then it sounds like you just want the data, as you're probably not going to be doing a full disk restore on a remote machine.
[20:07] <rypervenche> What kind of data are we talking? Web server or something of that nature?
[20:07] <lordcirth> devslash2, You say that /dev/sda2 there is the Ubuntu root? then in grub2 it would be (hda,2) *I think*
[20:07] <plongshot> yeah but some of that has to be system level data too like configurations and such
[20:07] <plongshot> how about my .bashrc for example
[20:07] <plongshot> and many others
[20:08] <devslash2> well you dont refer to it as hda in grub
[20:08] <devslash2> you refer to the partition as hd0
[20:08] <plongshot> The ability to recreate the thing if it ever gets totally borked and that outside of the provider (ie: a way to restore to the exact state somewhere else - like aws or whetever).
[20:08] <rypervenche> plongshot: Well, it really depends on what you have on the machine and what you're using it for. It's simple to add those places to a tar command to zip everything up into a single file. Or you could use an rsync command to copy all of the files to a backup location. Both work. The tar is nicer in that it's a single file and won't possibly mess up permissions.
[20:08] <plongshot> The ability to restory to the exact state on a physical device i own
[20:09] <lordcirth> devslash2, mine is actually hd0,msdos5
[20:09] <rypervenche> plongshot: Well, you can do that, but you'll need some downtime to be able to copy the disk exactly as it is. Going into a rescue environment, copying the data over the Internet (could potentially take a long time), then reboot back into the normal environment. There are other ways to do similar things, but it depends on your exact needs, I suppose.
[20:10] <plongshot> rypervenche: Nice. Ty.  I just realized something also. I have been kinda kicking the tires os an application called ansible.
[20:10] <lordcirth> plongshot, consider configuring your server entirely through configuration management, such as Salt
[20:10] <devslash2> lordcirth, what is the name of the partition in sda for m ? sda4 ?
[20:10] <rypervenche> plongshot: Yes, Ansible would make it so you don't need to worry about these things.
[20:10] <plongshot> rypervenche: ty for pointing that out
[20:10] <lordcirth> devslash2, for you it's sda2, it seems, so hd0,msdos2
[20:10] <plongshot> I'm learning what they are (my needs) also right now
[20:11] <lordcirth> plongshot, Ansible would work, though I personally greatly prefer Saltstack
[20:11] <devslash2> when i do that i get an error invalid signature
[20:11] <lordcirth> Btw #salt is here on freenode and very helpful
[20:11] <lordcirth> devslash2, from what?
[20:11] <plongshot> rypervenche: In that case I would just make sure all my ansible configs are safe (backups)?
[20:11] <devslash2> grub
[20:11] <plongshot> lordcirth: ewww
[20:11] <plongshot> ouch!
[20:11] <plongshot> sorry
[20:11] <lordcirth> ?
[20:11] <rypervenche> plongshot: Yep. Put them in git or something.
[20:11] <plongshot> its painful to think about
[20:12] <plongshot> rypervenche: right on
[20:12] <rypervenche> plongshot: Don't like Salt?
[20:12] <lordcirth> plongshot, yes, back up the config and user data, and that's it
[20:12] <plongshot> lordcirth: learning a new lang and all?  ouch!
[20:12] <plongshot> lordcirth: on my food  :p
[20:12] <rypervenche> Both Ansible and Salt use YAML.
[20:12] <lordcirth> A new language? Both use YAML and are written in Python.
[20:12] <plongshot> I can learn yaml
[20:12] <plongshot> np
[20:13] <plongshot> lordcirth: Idk that
[20:13] <rypervenche> Ansible is good if you only have a few machines, but it can be slow once you have a lot. Salt is better for if you have many machines.
[20:13] <plongshot> thanks for pointing that out
[20:13] <plongshot> well, back to work
[20:13] <plongshot> thanks for the conversation
[20:15] <devslash2> lordcirth, any idea whats wrong ?
[20:17] <lordcirth> devslash2, not yet. try running 'lsblk -f'
[20:17] <lordcirth> See if it shows sda2 as being ext4
[20:17] <devslash2> it does
[20:18] <lordcirth> devslash2, just checking, you didn't accidentally install grub to sda2 instead of sda, did you?
[20:18] <devslash2> no
[20:19] <lordcirth> devslash2, oh wait, did you say that the 1GB partition there was /boot?
[20:19] <devslash2> yes
[20:19] <lordcirth> In that case you should try hd0,msdos1
[20:20] <devslash2> I had ubuntu installed. I resized the ubuntu partition so it was 200GB smaller, installed qubes on the new partition and it installed grub. I now have Qubes and Qubes Advanced Options. I manually added Ubuntu to 40_Custom in /etc/grub.d with set root=(hd0,msdos2)
[20:22] <devslash2> even with set root=(hd0,msdos1) I still get the error invalid signature
[20:23] <lordcirth> devslash2, sorry, just looked at your paste again. 1 is swap, 2 is large and presumably /, and 3 is 1GB ext4 and probably /boot
[20:24] <devslash2> but since i have ubuntu and qubes
[20:24] <devslash2> sda2 is ubuntus / sda3 and on is qubes
[20:27] <devslash2> so wouldnt i need to point root to hd0,msdos1 ?
[20:32] <lordcirth> devslash2, sda1 says it's swap
[20:33] <lordcirth> devslash2, I guess sda3 would be Qubes, since LUKS needs a /boot.
[20:34] <devslash2> yes
[20:34] <devslash2> i dunno what to do i cant boot ubuntu any more
[20:36] <lordcirth> devslash2, ah, are you sure that you are booting in BIOS mode? Because 'invalid signature' can also occur when EFI + Secure Boot is on
[20:36] <lordcirth> Though, hmm, it doesn't really make sense for it to be EFI, since there's no ESP there, and you said Qubes boots?
[20:36] <devslash2> no its not on
[20:38] <devslash2> lordcirth, yes
[20:38] <devslash2> perfectly
[20:39] <lordcirth> devslash2, so, which of the options in here https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/multiboot/ are you trying?
[20:39] <devslash2> the linux section
[20:40] <lordcirth> devslash2, so, you have the 'chainloader +1' bit?
[20:40] <devslash2> I added menuentry 'ubuntu' { set root=(hd0,msdos2) chainloader+1
[20:40] <devslash2> yes
[20:40] <lordcirth> What partition did you reinstall Ubuntu's grub to, then?
[20:40] <devslash2> i didnt
[20:40] <lordcirth> devslash2, well, the guide says to
[20:40] <devslash2> i mean when I installed Qubes, it installed a grub bootloader
[20:41] <lordcirth> Yes. And now you want to add an entry to that for Ubuntu, yes?
[20:41] <devslash2> yes correct
[20:42] <lordcirth> So you should probably follow the "Linux" guide, since your Ubuntu install doesn't have a separate /boot
[20:43] <devslash2> ive got an ubuntu usb drive to boot off of already
[20:43] <devslash2> if i boot off of that  what do i need to do exactly  ?
[20:44] <lordcirth> devslash2, good. So I think you should be able to boot the usb, chroot into Ubuntu, and install grub to your / partition - which is not normally what one does. You have backups, right? :P
[20:44] <devslash2> i guys ill have to make one
[20:44] <lordcirth> https://micahflee.com/2014/04/dual-booting-qubes-and-ubuntu-with-encrypted-disks/
[20:44] <devslash2> i really dont have one yet ATM
[20:45] <lordcirth> Always have backups, especially before this sort of thing
[20:45] <devslash2> ok so i need to do that last step in qubes or ubuntu ?
[20:48] <devslash2> im confused about something. you said that I need to boot ubuntu,chroot my partition and reinstall grub but according to that site, it says to do it in Qubes
[20:49] <lordcirth> devslash2, you need to chroot into Ubuntu, install Ubuntu's Grub to Ubuntu's root partition, then boot to Qubes and configure Qube's Grub to chainload Ubuntu's Grub.
[20:49] <devslash2> ok thanks
[20:49] <lordcirth> I haven't done this myself, but it sounds like it should work?
[20:50] <lordcirth> But definitely backup first.
[20:51] <devslash2> would i do sudo grub2-install /dev/sda in ubuntu ?
[20:51] <devslash2> or sda2
[20:53] <devslash2> hey lordcirth
[20:53] <devslash2> did you see my message a minute ago ?
[20:54] <devslash2> would i do sudo grub2-install /dev/sda in ubuntu or do I need to install it to sda2
[20:54] <jeremy31> devslash2:  He left
[20:54] <devslash2> says he rejoined
[20:55] <jeremy31> Might have missed it then
[20:55] <devslash2> do you know by any chance
[21:01] <jeremy31> devslash2: I think grub normally gets installed to a drive /dev/sda and not a partition /dev/sda2
[21:04] <devslash2> dammit.....
[21:07] <plongshot> Is maven the same as ansible in what it aims to ahceive?
[21:08] <plongshot> So that ansible could replace with syncope?
[21:08] <plongshot> so that you could replace maven with ansible for use with syncope
[21:10] <jeremy31> devslash2: Since you have a grub entry for Ubuntu, I would actually see if you can edit the setting when booting, the root or something must be messed up if it doesn't work
[21:10] <plongshot> So, I'm looking at syncope, and they say in the documentation that maven (another different apache application) is "suggeste" to be used for a certain thing with syncope.  So I want to use ansible for other ci/cd purposes and wonder if I can use it in place of maven there?
[21:12] <devslash2> jeremy31, i booted from a live ubuntu usb drive and reinstalled grub. after I rebooted, Ubuntu immedaitely booted. Qubes wasnt an option. I added an entry for Qubes in the grub boot loader and Im gonna reboot and see if that works
[21:13] <jeremy31> devslash2: The tutorial says to install ubuntu grub to the ubuntu partition
[21:13] <devslash2> so if ubuntu is on sda2 i need to install it there ?
[21:13] <jeremy31> devslash2: According to the tutorial,
[21:18] <devslash2> i tried that and grub wouldnt let me install to sda2
[21:20] <jeremy31> devslash2: I don't know, my installs are EFI
[21:21] <Bashing-om> devslash2: Legacy booting ? We are discouraged from installing grub to the partition, but if it is a must it is posible.
[21:23] <devslash2> so now I have Ubuntu and Qubes as a choice but Qubes wont boot
[21:24] <devslash2> when I choose it i get an error that you need to load a kernel first
[21:25] <jeremy31> Bashing-om: I think it involves encrypted Qubes, maybe even Ubuntu encrypted and a tutorial says to install Ubuntu grub to the Ubuntu partition, then install Qubes have it put its grub on /dev/sda and chainload Ubuntu grub
[21:29] <Bashing-om> jeremy31: What a pain. There is a process to force grub to install to the partition, however.
[21:30] <jeremy31> Bashing-om: one tutorial mentioned was https://micahflee.com/2014/04/dual-booting-qubes-and-ubuntu-with-encrypted-disks/
[21:31] <Bashing-om> jeremy31: devslash2 : Reading ^ .
[21:32] <jeremy31> Bashing the other was https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/multiboot/
[21:38] <iffraff> Hi, the only nvidia driver that seems to recognize my nvidia card is xserver-xorg-video-nouveau  however my second external monitor still does not turn  on
[21:44] <Bashing-om> iffraff: VGA card ? What shows ` lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga ` dor the hardware - will see what driver matches.
[21:44] <Bashing-om> dor/for*
[21:45] <Bashing-om> jeremy31: devslash2 Getting too deep for my limited expereince :(
[21:47] <iffraff> Bashing-om: so that shows "ntel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 " but that's the onboard the laptop also has an nvidia card.  when I do sudo lshw -C video it shows two entries one of which is the geforce m150
[21:49] <Bashing-om> iffraff: K: pastebin - lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' . So we pick up in that 3d stuff in addition to the VGA.
[21:51] <iffraff> https://pastebin.com/HVvdVdh6
[21:54] <iffraff> does that make any sense?
[21:54] <Bashing-om> iffraff: Nvidi recommneds the 430 version driver for that card: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/147582/en-us. What release are you running ?
[21:55] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-driver-430 disco
[21:55] <iffraff> hmm, I thihk I am disco, 19.04?
[21:56] <iffraff> I do show a 430 (open source) driver in the software & updates
[21:57] <Bashing-om> infectiious: The 430 driver is availabale in our trusted PPA . but let me re-assure that it is not in our repo.
[21:57] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-driver-390 disco
[21:59] <Bashing-om> iffraff: What shows ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' ? An earlier driver "may" work just fine rather than a PPA 430 driver .
[22:00] <iffraff> 390, 396, 418, 415,430
[22:00] <Bashing-om> iffraff: 430 .. ya already have the PPA enabled ?
[22:01] <iffraff> but you see I actually tried all of those and when I did sudo lshw -C video  it would show the the nvidia card as "UNCLAIMED"
[22:01] <iffraff> I may ahve added the PPA. yes
[22:02] <Bashing-om> iffraff: And did you clean older driver install prior to installing another ? pastbin ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' . And we concerned about an OEM attempt ?
[22:04] <iffraff> https://pastebin.com/TufrCwCW
[22:04] <iffraff> that doesn't look to clean to me :(
[22:08] <Bashing-om> iffraff: Yeah ! UN-clean :( .. we can clean up and re-do :)
[22:09] <iffraff> mmm, ok, I"m not sure how to clean up?
[22:11] <Bashing-om> iffraff: I guide :) .. ok what shows ` ls -al /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/*.conf ` ?
[22:12] <iffraff> Thank you very much :)
[22:12] <iffraff> https://pastebin.com/Q5f08XFe
[22:13] <kpoman> \
[22:14] <plongshot> Are there any known challenges to using wildfly on ubuntu server 18.04?
[22:15] <Bashing-om> iffraff: While I consider, do some cleanup - so we see the tree in the forrest. Run ` dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs sudo dpkg -P ' that removes all those 'rc' ( removed but config files remain) marked files.
[22:15] <plongshot> considering the fact that it's a rhel developed application and they use yum (a different package manager). So would there be any problem installing, configuring, using?
[22:19] <Bashing-om> iffraff: Ouch .. well , I had expected to see a "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia.conf" file . I must be away for about 30 minutes and will return.
[22:20] <iffraff> https://pastebin.com/xi90ARzh
[22:20] <iffraff> ok thank you very much.
[22:30] <ChageMyLife> I installed samhain and I recieve a FQDN failure with the DNS library resolver. Why? I looked at the hostfile and it looks correct
[22:31] <afidegnum> using ubuntu, nodejs wasn't properly installed, i removed it and reinstall it again, now it's only node which is installed npm doesn't runmi followed this link https://tecadmin.net/install-latest-nodejs-npm-on-ubuntu/
[22:32] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: what's the exact error message?
[22:32] <sarnold> afidegnum: did you try to install whatever package supplies npm?
[22:33] <afidegnum> what package is that?
[22:33] <sarnold> I dunno, I've never used it
[22:33] <sarnold> normally I'd use apt-cache search npm to find a likely package
[22:33] <sarnold> but if you're using someone else's ppa, they may or may not put the name nithe description, or  they may not have apckaged it at all
[22:34] <afidegnum> after installation, per suggestion for the development version i asked to installed sudo apt-get install gcc g++ make
[22:34] <afidegnum> which i did
[22:38] <sarnold> normally if you want those then build-essential would probably eventually help you too
[22:38] <ChageMyLife> sarnoid According to uname, your nodename is wisdom, but your resolver
[22:38] <ChageMyLife> library cannot resolve this nodename to a FQDN. Rather, it resolves this to wisdom.
[22:38] <ChageMyLife> For more information, see the entry about self-resolving under
[22:38] <ChageMyLife> 'Most frequently' in the FAQ that you will find in the docs/ subdirectory.
[22:38] <sarnold> afidegnum: npm is packaged in the npm packge in ubuntu. see if your PPA provides it in a package of the same name with apt policy npm
[22:39] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: wow that's annoyingly vague.
[22:40] <ChageMyLife> sarnold that is what I said
[22:40] <ChageMyLife> I went into hostfile looked normal
[22:40] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: what's your /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts look like?
[22:40] <ChageMyLife> Ok one second please
[22:41] <afidegnum> sarnold: now do i find out?
[22:42] <ChageMyLife> nameserver 127.0.0.53
[22:42] <ChageMyLife> options edns0 and hostfile 127.0.0.1       localhost
[22:42] <ChageMyLife> 127.0.1.1       wisdom
[22:42] <ChageMyLife> # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
[22:42] <ChageMyLife> ::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
[22:42] <ChageMyLife> fe00::0 ip6-localnet
[22:42] <sarnold> afidegnum: apt policy npm
[22:44] <afidegnum> sarnold: this is what i have got so far https://kopy.io/ifweq
[22:46] <sarnold> afidegnum: alright, that's standard ubuntu version. I hope that works with the version of nodejs you installed. anyway give it a try, apt install npm
[22:47] <afidegnum> ok
[22:50] <scientes> how do i force wayland so i can use drag-and-drop?
[22:50] <scientes> *force X11
[22:51] <ChageMyLife> do my /resolve.confg and /etc/hosts look fine?
[22:51] <afidegnum> sarnold: this is my current situation https://kopy.io/FsC2J
[22:52] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: try changing your /etc/hosts line for wisdom to "127.0.2.1    wisdom.samhain wisdom"
[22:53] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: (anything unlikely to be a real domain in place of 'samhain' is probably fine; I've got a wopr.domain in one system's /etc/hosts and can't think of ever seeing 'domain' in any logs or errors..)
[22:54] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: (so I just suggested 'samhain' to remind you why you picked this name, if it ever becomes a question :)
[22:55] <sarnold> afidegnum: dang, I don't know what to suggest. look for some support by whoever has published the nodejs packages you're using. they'll know what to do to install npm when using their packages instead of ubuntu's packages
[22:55] <ChageMyLife> Thank you
[22:55] <afidegnum> sarnold: thehy are suggesting to install nvm
[22:56] <afidegnum> from nodejs forum
[22:56] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: working/
[22:58] <ChageMyLife> Yes!
[22:58] <ChageMyLife> You are great sarnold
[22:58] <ChageMyLife> Thank you so much
[22:58] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: yay! I'm glad that's it :)
[22:59] <ChageMyLife> I have been searching for week
[22:59] <ChageMyLife> May I ask why work?
[22:59] <ChageMyLife> I mean you added a new node to the domain right?
[23:00] <ChageMyLife> Why did it just magically work?
[23:00] <afidegnum> sarnold: how do i purge evrything about installed node package and reinstall again
[23:00] <afidegnum> ?
[23:02] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: sometimes hostnames are expected to be fqdn and sometimes expected to be just the 'node name' (no domain information) .. different APIs from different unix lineages have different expectations..
[23:02] <ChageMyLife>  Ah I see
[23:02] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: it's all really gross. this was a guess that samhain would be gross in a predictable way, and giving the machine a 'dns name' with a dot in it would help
[23:03] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: .. because i've seen that kind of gross software before..
[23:03] <sarnold> afidegnum: the ppa-purge tool from the ppa-purge package may help you uninstall the nodesource repo and all the packages installed from it
[23:04] <afidegnum> ppa-purge nodesource ?
[23:05] <iffraff> Bashing-om: hello, just checking to see if you're bck
[23:05] <ChageMyLife> I see. That was genius troubleshooting. Thank you
[23:06] <activist> Hi Ubuntu folks! How it is going?
[23:07] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: heh, more like a really decent guess :)
[23:07] <sarnold> afidegnum: try ppa-purge -h deb.nodesource.com and see if that gets you there
[23:09] <ChageMyLife> Humble too :)
[23:10] <mithro> Is there an easy way to find out what the default gcc versions are for each Ubuntu release?
[23:10] <Bashing-om> iffraff: Back :) .. OK as we jave no /usr/share file .. how about here ' ls -al /etc/X11/xorg.conf '; As we start this clean up.
[23:11] <ChageMyLife> I got one more question. Can I unmount my current file systems like /bin /procs /etc and remount them on partitions after installing or do I need to reformat and do it again?
[23:11] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: the trouble is, when my guesses are wrong, they've often side-stepped a lot of the troubleshooting that a more rigorous approach would handle earlier..
[23:11] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: but I get enough guesses right that I still go with it, and try my best to convince folks to return to a methodical approach when my guesses don't work out. that's not always easy to convey..
[23:11] <sarnold> ChageMyLife: hm, what are you trying to do?
[23:12] <_KaszpiR_> ChageMyLife man mount with remout option and man chroot
[23:12] <iffraff> Bashing-om:  cannot access '/etc/X11/xorg.conf': No such file or directory
[23:12] <_KaszpiR_> and mount with bind
[23:13] <sarnold> mithro: not easy, no. the security team maintains a manually-edited list of which gccs are in which releases https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker/tree/active/00boilerplate.gcc -- but we may not keep this as up to date as it could be or should be.
[23:13] <ChageMyLife> Thanks
[23:16] <Bashing-om> iffraff: K .. let's try ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt remove --purge nvidia* ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ; sudo apt full-upgrade '. Reboot to see the effect.
[23:20] <iffraff> so ok, I"m running that and will reboot. what should I do nce I"m back?
[23:21] <Bashing-om> iffraff: see then what ' sudo lshw -C display ' reports :)
[23:24] <mithro> sarnold: I'm not sure how I read that file?
[23:25] <sarnold> mithro: heh, I was afraid of that, it's not easy to describe :)
[23:25] <sarnold> mithro: each 'paragraph' describes a specific source package -- gcc-5, gcc-6, gcc-7, etc
[23:26] <scientes> Your forgetting all the cross-compilers! haha
[23:26] <sarnold> mithro: within each source package paragraph there's either "DNE" (for Does Not Exist) or "needs-triage" (for "does exist, we need to find out if a security issue applies to this version")
[23:26] <sarnold> scientes: oh god are those in their own source packages?
[23:27] <scientes> good question
[23:28] <scientes> sarnold, https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/gcc-8-cross
[23:28] <scientes> oh that is debian
[23:28] <sarnold> same guy packages gcc for debian and ubuntu :)
[23:28] <scientes> well i literally did the apt seach on ubuntu and then looked it up on debian
[23:28] <mithro> sarnold: Guess I don't care about anything after line 121 when it goes into cross compilers?
[23:29] <ChageMyLife> So I would use chroot to a special directory (I'm assuming a special root directory) then work from there with mount and remount?
[23:30] <sarnold> scientes: ah good news, no sources in those .. ahem .. source packages :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZcpgFMJChc/
[23:30] <ChageMyLife> that is with the chroot and mounting and remounting partitions?
[23:30] <ChageMyLife> I want to remount for security reasons as I read this online
[23:30] <scientes> sarnold, that is the default package, they never have source code
[23:31] <scientes> but yes, no source in gcc-8-cross either sarnold
[23:31] <scientes> so good news
[23:35] <iffraff> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/T35G50UX
[23:35] <Bashing-om> iffraff: Looking.
[23:37] <Bashing-om> iffraff: UN-Good :( .. Let's see what we can do to find out the why. pastebin ` /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' .
[23:38] <iffraff> says it can't be found.
[23:39] <iffraff> I mentioned didn't I? that I'm on 19.04?
[23:40] <Bashing-om> iffraff: Check again ... even my test-bed 19.04 has that GPU file.
[23:41] <iffraff> Bashing-om: ug, sorry, I forgot to cat it https://pastebin.com/1RjJv8nv
[23:42] <Bashing-om> iffraff: reading :)
[23:45] <mithro> sarnold: That doesn't tell me which is the default compiler however? I did some horrible shell and got -> https://gist.github.com/mithro/85c97dd594a8726d081c57b2b541630e
[23:46] <sarnold> mithro: oh right. next step, figuring out which is in main and which is in universe..
[23:51] <teward> sarnold: *cough* umt *cough*
[23:51] <Bashing-om> iffraff: Ouch - Over my skill level - we have "Is nvidia loaded? no >> Error: can't access /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:3b:00.0/driver " . 2 monitors connected ? What happens if you boot with the external monitor disconnected ?
[23:52] <iffraff> with both of them disconnected?
[23:52] <sarnold> mithro: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hJ4ydd75DR/  -- some debian versions snuck in there too..
[23:53] <Bashing-om> iffraff: Well "assumming": this is a laptop - just remove the external monitor ?
[23:54] <iffraff> ok then run the gpu-manager.log again?
[23:55] <sarnold> mithro: hah. annoyingly this just show's what's supported, not default, and tehre's bloody more overlap than I expected. sorry. :(
[23:55] <Bashing-om> iffraff: redboot and see if the nvidia module will then load.
[23:56] <iffraff> ok